Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-04 Thread Scott Reed
Can you point me to a source to confirm this? Aluminum is a better conductor than steel so I would think it does a better job. I would be interested in reading about the physics behind this. MDK wrote: Aluminum is moderately effective at attenuating microwave rf. Steel is needed to dampen

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-04 Thread os10rules
I thought the heavy duty EMP shielding the govt/mil does at protected sites uses copper. Greg On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Can you point me to a source to confirm this? Aluminum is a better conductor than steel so I would think it does a better job. I would be interested

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread Paul Hendry
We saw the same thing with Mikrotik + N. 4 AP's out there now running 4.1 (best of a bad bunch) in the hope the next release sorts some of the problems. I know this is a bit off topic but does anyone have the v4.0beta releases anywhere? -Original Message- From: George Morris

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-04 Thread Scott Reed
I would think so. Aluminum is a little better conductor, but copper's physical characteristics make it easier to work with in many applications. os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the heavy duty EMP shielding the govt/mil does at protected sites uses copper. Greg On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:38

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-04 Thread os10rules
Isn't copper a better conductor? Aluminum is lighter but not as good of a conductor. That's why high tension wires have to be fatter than copper wires to carry the same current but they're cheaper and lighter. Greg On Dec 4, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Scott Reed wrote: I would think so. Aluminum is

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread Chuck Hogg
http://files.quicklinkwireless.com/mikrotik Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:26

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread Paul Hendry
Nice. Anyone out there know which of the beta releases seemed most stable? -Original Message- From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: 04 December 2009 13:01 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link http://files.quicklinkwireless.com/mikrotik Regards, Chuck

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread Chuck Hogg
I have 4.0beta4 running 10days on an N Link. 60+Mbit TCP up to 80. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Friday,

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-04 Thread Scott Reed
Oops, yes I got that one backwards. Conductivity of several items is on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_conductivity Resistance of more items is at http://physics.info/electric-resistance/ According to the second site, Steel has about 10x the resistance of copper, about 7x the resistance

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread George Morris
We really like beta3. Had some links running 90 days, and it was fast!! Here is the cheat sheet specifically for beta3. Be careful if you are running something else, the cheat sheet varied a lot. - No WDS - Short preamble - No Periodic calibration - Nstreme on, but CSMA not disabled - Nstreme

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread Paul Hendry
Nice. Thanks George. Was this just in a PTP environment or PTM also? -Original Message- From: George Morris [mailto:ghmor...@candlelight.ca] Sent: 04 December 2009 13:39 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link We really like beta3. Had some links running 90 days, and

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread George Morris
PtP for us. Never tried PtMP. But it did work slick, to the point I'm considering trying it again. Nice to have fast 20MHz channels. We are having to use 40MHz now to achieve the same performance... The other bit worth mentioning is turning off the .11a data rates to force the radios into N

[WISPA] Laurinburg, North Carolina

2009-12-04 Thread Rick Harnish
I'm looking for a WISP or other xISP that has the ability to service the Laurinburg, North Carolina area. Please respond offlist. Thank you, Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-04 Thread Chuck Profito
Scott, OK, I admit I'm totally dumb here. For shielding do you want absorption of signal or reflectivity of signal? Do you want to conduct it to dissipaters or reflect it back to source or contain it? I have a machine shop customer that makes enclosures and he has sheets of thin lead with

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread Randy Cosby
What was the distance you guys were able to get on N with these? Randy George Morris wrote: We really like beta3. Had some links running 90 days, and it was fast!! Here is the cheat sheet specifically for beta3. Be careful if you are running something else, the cheat sheet varied a lot. -

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread George Morris
Longest was 30 miles, next longest was 23. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link What was the distance you

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread Randy Cosby
Do you have any cheat sheets for any other versions? thanks, Randy George Morris wrote: Longest was 30 miles, next longest was 23. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Friday, December 04,

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread Robert West
George, What antennas were you using? What was the rest of the setup you had for that? What was your throughput? Adding this info to my bag of tricks... Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-04 Thread Scott Reed
I think that depends on what you are trying to do. If you have a device that emits radiation you don't want out, you want to absorb it. Reflecting it back on yourself could be counter-productive. If you are trying to keep another source's radiation out of your equipment, I do not believe it

[WISPA] Fw: Texas / Southern Region Dark Fiber Sale

2009-12-04 Thread Blake Bowers
Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Telecom Asset Management assetwa...@telecomassets.com To: bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Texas /

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Texas / Southern Region Dark Fiber Sale

2009-12-04 Thread Blake Bowers
I should have included a disclaimer - I just recieved this, and thought some may have an interest. I have no interest whatsoever - financial or otherwise in this offering. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

[WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.benton.org/node/30268 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Texas / Southern Region Dark Fiber Sale

2009-12-04 Thread Mike Hammett
I get the same thing in my email. I'd find the asset somewhere else. I tried about 20 each of emails and phone calls early this year\end of last for information, pricing, etc. on some routes. No answer. I ended up finding who owned the assets and have since worked directly with them.

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Texas / Southern Region Dark Fiber Sale

2009-12-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Talking to myself here... Actually, I learned from one of the asset owners that this guy isn't even authorized to be marketing their asset. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Dylan Bouterse
ISPs really have no idea if these people are causing any sort of actual congestion at all. Really?? I have no idea do I Mr. Felten?? Just don't tell my boss. He doesn't know Bandwidth Hogs are mythical and it's job security! Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I hate bandwidth hogs, I cut their speed down to 256k and when they whine I tell them to go get Verizon Air Card and enjoy their new 5GB monthly cap. There's a special place in the fiery depths for the people that consume double what the rest of your ENTIRE customer base combined uses. Kurt

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Robert West
Hmm So someone should send him a live link to their MT graphs. He can then make his judgment with real data. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:23 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-04 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 10:02 -0700, Randy Cosby wrote: I have several Trango AP's and 2 Mikrotik backhauls on a water tank. I am making some upgrades to one of the backhaul links (better wireless card). I head up to the top of the tank, take out my laptop, plug it in to the switch up

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-04 Thread Josh Luthman
Butch, Good guesses, but answer was a cheap power supply for a laptop. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Butch Evans

Re: [WISPA] wireless mysteries

2009-12-04 Thread Josh Luthman
You can put it on: Myspace.com Facebook.com Twitter.com Until a few months ago you could put it on Geocities.com Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On

[WISPA] Working with Mobilitie Towers?

2009-12-04 Thread Chuck Hogg
Has anyone dealt with them before? I am getting the $4k application fee and crazy rates for a tower in the middle of nowhere. The opposing land owner has offered space for us to build, but I thought I would give them a try first. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread George Morris
Good to see you're beating on him Mike. The original post and comments section are here: http://www.fiberevolution.com/2009/12/whats-a-bandwidth-hog-.html#comments Some of the comments are pretty well thought out. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread RickG
Eatmoresoap hit the nail on the head! On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:56 PM, George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.cawrote: Good to see you're beating on him Mike. The original post and comments section are here: http://www.fiberevolution.com/2009/12/whats-a-bandwidth-hog-.html#comments Some of the

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Who uses unlimited in their advertising anymore? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:56 PM To: 'WISPA General List'

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread RickG
Not here. I thought that went out with dial-up. But, I'm not sure it would necessarily be a bad thing. Unlimited just needs to be defined. -RickG On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Who uses unlimited in their advertising anymore? - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Robert West
Thanks. Couldn't hold it in. Sometimes I have a bit of wisdom. Eatmoresoap is my alter ego. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread RickG
I had a feeling. But are you sure its your alter ego? ducking On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Thanks. Couldn't hold it in. Sometimes I have a bit of wisdom. Eatmoresoap is my alter ego. Bob- -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Mike Hammett
I am looking at the Ars article now. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/bandwidth-hogs-dont-even-exist-says-analyst.ars?utm_source=rssutm_medium=rssutm_campaign=rss?comments=1#_login Apparently switching DNS makes your NetFlix look better. LOL - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Michael Baird
Mike, It does, Netflix is served via many different geographical locations utlizing geographical DNS based on information about your AS #. Sometimes folks are routed to Netflix streaming mirrors which aren't the best, and therefore play at a lower resolution. I don't have this problem, but

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread George Morris
All y'all ROCK. This is good stuff! George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] What buffoons.. Thanks. Couldn't hold it

Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

2009-12-04 Thread rwf
You got that right! Very difficult to weatherproof once mounted on the tower. Even if it's not on the tower it is difficult if the bottom mounting ear is attached. Plus- they weather badly and look horrible after a year. Plus- the 4 screws for the cover rust. Plus- we don't see how, but the

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Don't rain on my make fun of the people that don't know anything about ISPs parade. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:40 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Robert West
I suppose not. I tend to get up on the soap box from time to time and that guy rattled my box. He also replied and I in turn added more to the debate but people like that are in the more for me frame of mind and all business owners are rich and greedy. Bob- -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread RickG
Most of us here know the type. I ask them what they do for a living and how much they make. Then, I tell them thats way too much! On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I suppose not. I tend to get up on the soap box from time to time and that guy

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Robert West
I went a bit further on this. That Stop the Cap guy posted that he does not believe that I pay $40.00 per mb. I went to his website and sent him a challenge to find me the cheaper access that he's sure we have. I gave him my address and contact information and told him if he finds it, I'll buy

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 23:17 -0500, Robert West wrote: I went a bit further on this. That Stop the Cap guy posted that he does not believe that I pay $40.00 per mb. Maybe it's just my funny sense of humor, but I followed the link to that moron's twitter page. He had a link to a story that was

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 23:17 -0500, Robert West wrote: I went a bit further on this. That Stop the Cap guy posted that he does not believe that I pay $40.00 per mb. Sorry, HERE is what I got (I found this absolutely HILARIOUS): Oops ... Sorry! tr.im is currently overloaded. tr.im is

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Robert West
Do ya think maybe he should contact his host so that he can pay for more dedicated server access??? I'm sure it would only be 6 or 7 bucks more or possibly even free! Dang! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Grin Wicked idea. Here's what I sent: Hiya, Saw your post about bandwidth hogs and caps. We pay $200 per MEG out here in Odessa Washington (99159). If you can find something lower than that (I buy 10 megs right now but will have to double that in the next 12 months or so) I'd buy in a

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread Robert West
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh, yeah! Me like that one. I bet old boy doesn't make one phone call to check to see that we're right. They hate to have their reality challenged. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread RickG
LOL! On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 23:17 -0500, Robert West wrote: I went a bit further on this. That Stop the Cap guy posted that he does not believe that I pay $40.00 per mb. Maybe it's just my funny sense of humor, but

Re: [WISPA] What buffoons..

2009-12-04 Thread RickG
Heck, he might be hosting it on dial-up! On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Do ya think maybe he should contact his host so that he can pay for more dedicated server access??? I'm sure it would only be 6 or 7 bucks more or possibly even free!