[WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread MDK
It's 2:30 AM... I just drove up to the house, and walked VERY fast inside. After all, weather.com says that it's 12 degrees and an 8 MPH wind. In their head, maybe.Outside of the little valley I live in, the wind's more like 25 mph. There's no snow on the ground. I don't make a

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread Philip Dorr
maybe none of the parts are bad (except the original mini-itx board) and it is just getting too cold out for them to function properly? On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:49 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: It's 2:30 AM... I just drove up to the house, and walked VERY fast inside.   After all,

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread Scott Reed
Power supply could also be the culprit. Power connections that moved with the cold. Re-seat every cable. Philip Dorr wrote: maybe none of the parts are bad (except the original mini-itx board)and it is just getting too cold out for them to function properly? On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:49 AM,

Re: [WISPA] www.google.com

2009-12-07 Thread os10rules
Is this something specific to the RB450/450G? I have the RB750 and I'm running 4.3 and having no issues. I'm using the RB750 on a 15Mbps/2Mbps cable connection with numerous pcq queues doing prioritization (no limiting) on outbound (queuing with no prioritization on the inbound) and I'm

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread can...@believewireless.net
That was our experience with Mini-ITX boards as well. One thing we were able to tell was that they didn't like sudden changes in temperature. It didn't have to be outside the temperature tolerances of the board, but even going from 80 to 60 over a couple hours would cause it to lock up. In the

Re: [WISPA] www.google.com

2009-12-07 Thread can...@believewireless.net
It's not specific to any board, as it happens on X86 and RB1000s as well. However, it only happens to customers using Mikrotik as their DNS server. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:46 AM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Is this something specific to the RB450/450G? I have the RB750 and I'm running 4.3

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread os10rules
Maybe government has to be the answer if we're going to address the problem of the vast number of people who could afford insurance but choose to spend their money elsewhere. It's going to require the government forcing them to buy insurance or pay some tax that is used to fund health

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
It's snowing here! Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:07 AM To: 'WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Long Cat5 Run

2009-12-07 Thread 3-dB Networks
I once had a Tranzeo radio running at near 500ft of cable, at 100 Base full, with no problems. Granted it was Belden 7919 Shielded Cable... it was a backhaul for my house and didn't have issue with the cable (getting the radio to deal with the noise floor was a separate issue :-) FWIW... I've

Re: [WISPA] Long Cat5 Run

2009-12-07 Thread os10rules
The important specs are twists per foot and capacitance per foot with the capacitance being the most important. The lower the capacitance per foot the lower the attenuation and the lower the crosstalk (because there is capacitive interaction with neighboring pairs as well). If you can find a

Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Scottie Arnett
I believe it is the doctors/hospitals causing the issues with high insurance. Here as a good example... True Story: I have two friends that have children that needed/had the same operation. Friend 1 had insurance, Friend 2 did not. They went to the same doctors and same hospitals. Friend 1 with

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread eje
80+ and sunny here ;) To bad it will not last long. Can see why Gino lives here in the Carribbean. Talk about Gino should past by him shortly ;) (Alright so I'm on vacation on a Disney Cruise to the eastern Carribbean) /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From:

[WISPA] Interference Perhaps

2009-12-07 Thread Nick Huanca
Hi, We are running into some interference type issues in a few markets with 900MHz. We've put in place some 10 and 20 MHz bandpass to filter cell and paging. The interference seems to be still bothering our AP. In these markets we have some antiquated MikroTik equipment running SR9 cards. We

Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread eje
I would say the problems is lawyers. When a skilled good doctor that is nationally renowned as a OB can't make a living as a OB alone yet he is always busy but end up doing plastic surgery on the side because his malpractice insurance is so high (yet never had to use it) but he has to carry it.

Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Brad Belton
That's correct and you're blaming the doctor? Your example gives you some idea the amount of waste our current system is saddled with. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Monday,

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Mike Hammett
In Illinois you are required to purchase auto insurance and you will get fined, and I believe ultimately jailed if you continue to ignore that mandate. They don't provide it, but you are required to carry a minimum liability. It is at the state level, where it should be instead of at the

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Paul C Diem
It's like taking a crappy football team and trying to fix the problem with new uniforms. But the feds current answer is to create another football team, buy new uniforms for their team with taxpayer dollars and then expect all the teams, including theirs, to suddenly start performing well. Paul

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
Yeah, I woke up to snow. Now I'm glad I worked till midnight last night, at least I didn't have snow to deal with. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:33 AM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Interference Perhaps

2009-12-07 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
Nick Huanca wrote: We are running into some interference type issues in a few markets with 900MHz. We've put in place some 10 and 20 MHz bandpass to filter cell and paging. The interference seems to be still bothering our AP. In these markets we have some antiquated MikroTik equipment running

Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread os10rules
Just taking issue with the I was charged $8 for two Tylenol, I was charged $10 for a Tylenol. A beer in a bar (with far less overhead) is $5. Isn't the fact that if one doesn't have insurance the hospitals work with you at the very least go to show that the folks providing us healthcare aren't

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Gino Villarini
Have a blast!!! Is the cruise stopping in San Juan? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:30 AM, e...@wisp-router.com e...@wisp- router.com wrote: 80+ and sunny here ;) To bad it will not last long. Can see why Gino lives here in the Carribbean. Talk about Gino should

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
We'll save some snow for you. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold! 80+ and sunny here ;) To bad

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Brad Belton
I was clear when I said need insurance. If you don't have a car or drive the car on the public roadway the government doesn't fine you or jail you for not having auto insurance. The government isn't forcing you to have a car and buy their auto insurance at the price and under the terms they

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
Are you sure you didn't eat spicy food before bed and this was just a nightmare? At least you got a new hat. That's the bright side out of all this, I say. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Monday, December

Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Scottie Arnett
That's correct and you're blaming the doctor? Yes, or the hospital. Many insurance companies may have a set rate they will pay, but many do not. In this instance, the doctor/hospital knew that Friend 1 had insurance and Friend 2 did not. Why the cost disparity? The doctor/hospital knew they

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread os10rules
I believe the proposed changes have only dealt with the insurance side (government provided and more rules for the private sector insurance providers). On the healthcare provider (doctors, hospitals) side I believe they've only talked about rules. Maybe new government clinics that provide

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Blake Bowers
In IL, like Missouri, you are only required to have that insurance if you own/operate a vehicle. There are LOTS of people out there that don't. In the US, if they have their way, I will be required to have insurance period. It does not matter if I am self pay, never not payed, and am happy with

Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Blake Bowers
Agreed about the lawyers, that is why it is so difficult to find an OB now. But, every single hospital, doctors office, lab, and pretty much any other health care provider offers discounts for cash pay customers. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ

Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Blake Bowers
No insurance was probably required to put some down, and then paid the balance quickly. Doctors and hospitals love that - it saves them a tremendous amount of money compared to the discounts that they have to give insurance, billing, time waiting for money, rebilling, giving the billing service

Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Insurance operations cost more because of the paperwork involved in claiming the insurance. I doubt it's $25k different, but... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Paul C Diem
If the government really can do it better and cheaper then the private sector will follow suit. Government has a history showing they can't do anything better or cheaper than the private sector. If the government can really run a better, cheaper, more efficient health insurance program than the

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Well right, but a vast majority of people that live outside of Chicago or St. Louis have one or more cars per person because that's what it takes to participate in society (work, school, food, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Why would the majority of individual people need multiple cars? I can see a family of 3 having 3 cars. I can see a worker needing a car to get around and a van/truck for work. But I can't see random Joe (like me) needing a second vehicle. Or are you including company owned vehicles? Josh

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 09:53, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: Ok, but you still don't HAVE to have a car - hence you don't HAVE to have insurance. With the new plan, no matter what, I HAVE to pay for insurance. But you also have to be healthy. Unless of course you're harboring

[WISPA] Let's connect on LinkedIn

2009-12-07 Thread Paul Rice
LinkedIn Paul Rice requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- Dave, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Paul Rice Accept invitation from Paul Rice

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Mike Hammett
The majority don't have more cars than people, but I don't know any in my area that has fewer cars than people, only the same or more. Some people it's sports cars; some people they have a somewhat nice car they drive in summer and a beater for winter; some people it's recreational whether its

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
It's 10* here right now. Gotta love it! First, LAYERS If I know I'll be outside I start with a long sleeved shirt. Usually something like longjohns. I wear thick blue jeans. Next go the Carharts. Not a pair of knockoffs. I've got both, the Carharts are the only way to go. Much much

Re: [WISPA] Let's connect on LinkedIn

2009-12-07 Thread Josh Luthman
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Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Brad Belton
Bottom line is auto insurance is not required. However, they are proposing government run health insurance will be required and you will be fined and put in jail if you don't buy it. The entire car insurance as it compares to the proposed health insurance is a failed argument. There is no

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:45, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Bottom line is auto insurance is not required. However, they are proposing government run health insurance will be required and you will be fined and put in jail if you don't buy it. [citation needed] David Smith MVN.net

Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread chris cooper
Another thing to consider in this scenario is negotiated fees. If you have insurance, the insurance company will negotiate a discount on the fees charged by the provider on your behalf. You pay your deductible, your insurance carrier pays the difference between your deductible contribution and

[WISPA] Engenius 3610 indoor ap losing etehrnet and wifi

2009-12-07 Thread Alan Long
I have a site where we deployed approx 45 engenius indoor 3610 deployed in 26 buildings. They are all in ap mode only and have a hardwire connection back to my main outbound internet gateway. They are all on the same subnet for management, and the users are on different subnet for their access

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:57, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: While I haven't read the entire 2000+ page proposed bill I apparently have read more of it than you. Clearly not, or else you'd know that the fine actually is just a tax penalty, and that the current draft of the Senate Finance

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Blake Bowers
Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] health

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread jp
I don't think an rb14 can handle the power need of multiple XR cards. I'd suggest unless you have a good reason besides saving $100, either use routerboards or stick to manufactured radio systems from a reputable and reliable manufacturer. You pay more money or give up a little flexibility,

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Chuck Profito
It is also snowing here in Vernalis and Modesto areas, and north, but it's barely sticking here. We haven't seen snow this low since maybe the 80's I guess I've got to put away the floral shirt and shorts and find me a hat with ears. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Engenius 3610 indoor ap losing etehrnet and wifi

2009-12-07 Thread Scott Reed
Broadcast storm? Alan Long wrote: I have a site where we deployed approx 45 engenius indoor 3610 deployed in 26 buildings. They are all in ap mode only and have a hardwire connection back to my main outbound internet gateway. They are all on the same subnet for management, and the users are

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
SShhh, don't tell him that, hes a StarOS guy =) Along the same, my primary site went down last night, cycling every 30~45seconds. -15F reported at the site this morning. RB433 is spec'd for -4FW T F Time to replace it with a few NS's and a RB450/750 in better temp controlled case. To bad

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Jerry Richardson
Thanks for this list. We don't see a lot of really cold weather, but when a cold storm comes through, it seems that's when I have to go fix something on the towermy pal Murphy. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
Thanks, Marlon. You have any picture of you in all that?! Do they make a heated coat that can work off PoE? Just askin' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:28 AM To:

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
You got it. It runs like a dream unless it's 2am, 5 below, 2 foot of snow and the ladder to the top is covered in ice. Other than that, it's a happy day. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday,

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Josh Cheney
Actually, as long as it is all done with quality (read: expensive) gear, it really wouldn't look all that different. We saw temps of -40 F for a while last winter, and Marlon is spot on. The only thing that I would add is to make sure that the layer closest to your skin is something other than

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Jeff Broadwick
That made me smile Robert. Thank you for that! Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday,

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
You're welcome. I've already envisioned PoE powered socks and gloves as well. Just install a switch inside the lining of your coat and one cable controls all. Make it IP based and you can monitor and control the temps as Zones with the your iPhone or Blackberry. Feet Cold? We have an App for

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Mike
Thinsulate is good and light. Redwing has some insulated lace up boots with Thinsulate. They have fiberglass shanks and fiberglass toes instead of steel -- supposed to be safer for electricians. I think the Wrangler jeans with Thinsulate in them are awesome. It's warmer than long johns and

Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

2009-12-07 Thread Mike
Don't use steel wool. You will never get all the steel back out. Clean them with warm soapy water and let them dry well. The black you are seeing is probably silver oxide on the silver plating. Silver oxide conducts RF just fine. They can be really black and still work just fine. At

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Scott Reed
If it works off batteries, you could easily make a breakout panel. Plug the cable into your coat. Take the power to the coat. Data pairs to another jack. Plug in the laptop. Stay warm and configure away. Robert West wrote: Thanks, Marlon. You have any picture of you in all that?! Do

Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
Sounds reasonable to me. I have found that my first instinct is often not correct. Hence the existence of my first wife. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
We have the makings of a product here. No, not one that will generate cash but a real bonafide product that someone could lose a lot of money manufacturing and marketing. It's the American way. (Made in China, of course) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Rick Herrmann
Concerning mandatory auto insurance, I think missing is the fact that while not required to have a car, I would be hard pressed to survive without a human body. The requirement for all that drive cars represents the same principle, that if everyone that fits the profile (car drivers, those with

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Ryan Spott
Take away my ice cream then. I pay my own way - and I am fairly healthy although I could lose some weight. I still run circles around my firefighters on my fire department, the ones that are 20-25 years younger than I. Where does all this stop? Will they actually want to take away my

Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread RickG
Yes, I take issue with $8 Tylenol. I wasnt given a choice. I have a choice whether or not ot have a $5 beer. With that said, I dont just blame one group for the health care issues. There is plenty of blame to go around, whether its lawyers, doctors, or insurance companies. Also, it is NOT fact the

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread Josh Luthman
I have RB333, 532, 433 and 411 survive without issue last winter when it hit -10F. Non temperature controlled environments - freezing their chips off on water towers and towers. I'd take the suggestion provided and just use a Routerboard. ITX is decent but I've seen several scenarios frown upon

Re: [WISPA] Engenius 3610 indoor ap losing etehrnet and wifi

2009-12-07 Thread Josh Luthman
When you say no wifi does that mean you can not connect to the AP or that your laptop doesn't see the AP broadcasting in 2.4? I would have to guess packet storm as well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Brad Belton
If the current draft now says you can't be jailed for not paying this particular tax/fine then ok, but that's not the way it was written earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if this is flipped back...sooner or later. Regardless, the government is forcing you to buy something from them at a price they

Re: [WISPA] Engenius 3610 indoor ap losing etehrnet and wifi

2009-12-07 Thread Alan Long
Can't connect via wifi or Ethernet, can't see it via 2.4. I have the sniffer going now. Aerowire Alan Long Director of Network Operations alan.l...@aerowire.net 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 tel: 3342759998 mobile: 336092

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Get a bigger harness! You might need two of them marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold! Thanks, Shaddi. Good list.

Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

2009-12-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
If it were me? Toss em and start over. Not worth the trouble. Once corrosion starts it's hard to stop it. marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread RickG
Praying for ya! I can identify as many here can and we feel your pain. Below freezing weather really sucks. I had several sessions like that last year. One time, I had to borrow a friends bucket and it was full of water and wouldnt drain. So I was in the ice cube filled bucket up to my knees for

Re: [WISPA] Engenius 3610 indoor ap losing etehrnet and wifi

2009-12-07 Thread Josh Luthman
If you can't see the 2.4 spectrum then the device simply locked up. What is causing it sounds like a bug to me. One simple broadcast packet nails several of the radios and freaks them out. Do you have the latest firmware for them? In the past these radios would lose their config if they had to

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread RickG
I had that once. Then I woke up and things were worse than the nightmare. So I went back to sleep :) On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Are you sure you didn't eat spicy food before bed and this was just a nightmare? At least you got a new hat.

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread MDK
LOL!It really was a very warm hat. -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! Are you sure you didn't eat spicy

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread RickG
It's true! Having resources in times of need are important. I have a few good customers I can call on. Most are hams. One time I climbed up a 200' tower several times to replace everything in an attempt to fix it. I had been up late the night before and ran out of energy. So, I called one of the

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread RickG
I've had a great experince over the past few years with StarOS/WRAP combos. They just work. With that said, I am slowly migrating to Mikrotik/Routerboards because I like the control they offer. So far, they just work as well. -RickG On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread Matt Jenkins
You should post pictures of the hat! MDK wrote: LOL!It really was a very warm hat. -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread RickG
Amen Brother! But, I'm not sure the new choices are much better.We need a few good men! On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Vote 'em out! I'm speaking of any representative regardless of party affiliation that has voted for government run health care. They

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread RickG
There really should not be government assistance. But then back to reality, it is here and will probably always will be. In that case, I agree that IF you are taking government assistance in any form it should require an exchange of strict rules that promote proper personal responsibility. It also

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Paul C Diem
When the Constitution is called No longer relevant to a modern society on the floor of the House of Representatives and there is no uproar over it As I said before, I've stopped paying too much attention to the news. Did that really happen? If so, I believe the real problem is that there was no

Re: [WISPA] Engenius 3610 indoor ap losing etehrnet and wifi

2009-12-07 Thread Alan Long
All the configs were fine after reboot. I do have the latest firmware on all of them. I even reloaded the firmware on a few of them and still had them lock up. Since going to router in front of them, they are working ok. Aerowire Alan Long Director of Network

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
LOL I do have a pick but fortunately I can't seem to find it right now. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold! That made me

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I hesitate to jump into this, but this particular issue had to do with what would happen if you didn't pay the fine for not having insurance. It is really just a tax, and the IRS considers non-payment the same as tax fraud...thus the potential of jail time. A Congressman sent a letter to the IRS

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
h http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SJ5S43VGz5Q/StJenrWlLxI/FzI/b4UybsR59aw/s400/blanket+coat+2.jpg http://www.gerbing.com/coreheat.net/Products/Products.html Let me know how any of that works! marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Out here our lineman keeps a rope ladder in his bucket in case that happens. Won't catch me climbing out of one. I'll freeze to death first! shudder marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009

Re: [WISPA] health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
Man, way, way, way off topic on this list but as risk of adding more to it, here goes... October 3, 2002. Chairman Henry Hyde was quoted on the record and live on C-Span as saying. There are things in the Constitution that have been overtaken by events, by time. Declaration of war is one of

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
Marlon! You got your got your hair cut! Looks good on ya! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

2009-12-07 Thread Jeremy Parr
2009/12/7 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com: If it were me? Toss em and start over. Not worth the trouble.  Once corrosion starts it's hard to stop it. marlon He could always solder new N connectors to the antenna element, and be good as new. The Andrew sectors are a good unit, it'd

Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
That's my thinking as well. What's the worst I could do? Flames could be involved but I don't foresee that in this case. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:30 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

2009-12-07 Thread Mike
I read black stuff, not corrosion. If they are silver connectors, then it's silver oxide and NOT a problem. In the old days all, and now only the best equipment still use silver connectors. Just like an old dime will turn black once it has skin oils on it, so will a silver connector.

Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
I never would have guessed silver though. Someone mentioned that earlier too. At first it looked like rubber tape residue but it had me scratching me head since boy never put any cables on them. Makes perfect sense though. They will probably be okay, I just didn't want to attack them with the

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Curtis Maurand
LL Bean. Mike wrote: Thinsulate is good and light. Redwing has some insulated lace up boots with Thinsulate. They have fiberglass shanks and fiberglass toes instead of steel -- supposed to be safer for electricians. I think the Wrangler jeans with Thinsulate in them are awesome. It's

Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

2009-12-07 Thread Mike
Bob: The fingers are gold plated and won't corrode either. When you're cleaning them, and since they were outside unprotected, get your close up goggles on and use a toothpick to make sure there is nothing in the space between the fingers. I actually have some ancient silver N right angle

Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
I hope that's a woman cause I don't want no dude keeping me warm. Just me, you understand. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 5:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
Well boy, ya learned me something! I honestly never heard of NoAlOx before. Looked it up, looks good. I'll have to pick some up for other things as well, looks like. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

2009-12-07 Thread Mike
OxGard works too! They usually have that at Menards. Electrical supply house will have NoAlOx. At 04:10 PM 12/7/2009, you wrote: Well boy, ya learned me something! I honestly never heard of NoAlOx before. Looked it up, looks good. I'll have to pick some up for other things as well, looks

[WISPA] The long day...final insult

2009-12-07 Thread MDK
So, I get to the workshop this afternoon, and walk in.There's a cat on my chair.I have NO idea how he got in, other than he must have dashed through the door as I walked in or out. I specifically made sure he wasn't in the next to last time I walked in or out. And, of course, as soon

Re: [WISPA] The long day...final insult

2009-12-07 Thread Mike
Get em a litter box, he'll keep mice away. At 04:23 PM 12/7/2009, you wrote: So, I get to the workshop this afternoon, and walk in.There's a cat on my chair.I have NO idea how he got in, other than he must have dashed through the door as I walked in or out. I specifically made sure he

Re: [WISPA] The long day...final insult

2009-12-07 Thread Jeremy Parr
2009/12/7 Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com: Sorry, Mike.  I think he's mine.  He got out yesterday, haven't seen him since.  Pees everywhere, rubber tape used to help but not anymore.  See if he answers to the name Jihad.  If so I'll drop by and get him. I've been losing that cat a lot.

Re: [WISPA] The long day...final insult

2009-12-07 Thread Robert West
And somehow very fitting. Very fitting, indeed. Hopefully you have no pictures of your cat, Mohammad. If so, my cat Jihad will be forced to pay you a visit. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Monday,

[WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-07 Thread MDK
As business people, we should be looking at insurance for health like we do as insurance for everything else.What's it there for? Protect us from catastrophe, like falling through some guy's glass skylight, or accidently parking the bucket truck on top of his sprinker control box and it

Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-07 Thread Brad Belton
Great post! clap - clap - clap Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance As business people, we should be looking at

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