Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
There will be places that running fiber 5 miles for one or two customers is not going to be feasible. The telcos had to run copper to provide a telephone in many circumstances to these areas. With fiber, I don't think they are going to do it. Not counting the cost of fiber, but the build-out with poles and/or digging will be astounding. What's the cheaper alternative here, and everywhere but the largest of populated areas? Wireless. How are we gonna provide those speeds? We need more spectrum. My guess is we will never see it under the duopoly centered FCC/all govt we have had for the past 15 years. AND of course, the govt would never want to do something the cheaper way. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:25:23 -0500 And that makes sense, however back during the rural electrification days, they weren't after 200 amp service, just a line and a light bulb made it all good. Everything after was built on top of that. But one could also argue that dial-up was the start and this is the additional upgrading. But they are right, fiber is the one true way of bringing everyone up to the same level of access. I'm conflicted because both sides in it are right, in my eyes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:48 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million - half of the households in the United States. Somebody is wrong somewhere on these numbers? and... Insight Research claims that it takes about $1,500 per household to deploy broadband, bringing the amount of money needed for universal access to $60 billion. I know I could do mucho mucho wireless with $1500 per customer! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:28:56 -0500 Maybe if it was given to those who are truly interested in providing broadband, it would be more than enough. How much more could YOU do, Scottie, if they gave you 100 grand outright? I bet it would go directly towards the customer. Now I'm sure that there are plenty of well meaning companies out there just trying for a little help and deservedly so, but basic human nature is greed and as we've talked about before, once those Wisps by Convenience get the cash, play Wisp until they run out of that cash and then go bye-bye, our payday will come when we are able to buy their equipment at auction. At least that's what I tell myself to feel better.. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
They would rather spend twice that amount just on a study. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice There will be places that running fiber 5 miles for one or two customers is not going to be feasible. The telcos had to run copper to provide a telephone in many circumstances to these areas. With fiber, I don't think they are going to do it. Not counting the cost of fiber, but the build-out with poles and/or digging will be astounding. What's the cheaper alternative here, and everywhere but the largest of populated areas? Wireless. How are we gonna provide those speeds? We need more spectrum. My guess is we will never see it under the duopoly centered FCC/all govt we have had for the past 15 years. AND of course, the govt would never want to do something the cheaper way. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:25:23 -0500 And that makes sense, however back during the rural electrification days, they weren't after 200 amp service, just a line and a light bulb made it all good. Everything after was built on top of that. But one could also argue that dial-up was the start and this is the additional upgrading. But they are right, fiber is the one true way of bringing everyone up to the same level of access. I'm conflicted because both sides in it are right, in my eyes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:48 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million - half of the households in the United States. Somebody is wrong somewhere on these numbers? and... Insight Research claims that it takes about $1,500 per household to deploy broadband, bringing the amount of money needed for universal access to $60 billion. I know I could do mucho mucho wireless with $1500 per customer! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:28:56 -0500 Maybe if it was given to those who are truly interested in providing broadband, it would be more than enough. How much more could YOU do, Scottie, if they gave you 100 grand outright? I bet it would go directly towards the customer. Now I'm sure that there are plenty of well meaning companies out there just trying for a little help and deservedly so, but basic human nature is greed and as we've talked about before, once those Wisps by Convenience get the cash, play Wisp until they run out of that cash and then go bye-bye, our payday will come when we are able to buy their equipment at auction. At least that's what I tell myself to feel better.. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.
Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff
Is there a versiom of Google maps that is freestanding that can be used on a laptop or PC without an Internet connection? I just need a small region like NYC or Washington DC Metro. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:06:32 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff The suggestion to convert to Google Earth/Google Maps kml/kmz file format is probably best. The issue most will have is that different GPS companies can format the data differently for their particular GPS and even the same company can format it differently for various models. The Google mapping file formats seem to have become a defacto standard that most of the software packages support and can import and export. Converting to kmz will also allow the data to be shown easily in Goggle Earth and with a little programming can also be displayed in the Google Maps API on a web site. Nice thing about the Google Maps API is being able to display street maps, aerial images as well as terrain relief. There are plenty of ways to skin this cat and I am sure others with suggest their favorite tools of the trade. Whichever you chose just realize that you should do whatever supports the most brands of GPS's possible. Thank You, Brian Webster On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:18 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: If Mr Webster does not speak up. Perhaps I can help! ryan On Dec 11, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, I'm working on a trail system for our local Chamber of Commerce. We know the routes to be used etc. I've got a Garmin Etrex Summit and we've used that with TopoUSA to map the routes. I can't seem to figure out how to get that data into a format that others can use to download into their own GPS units and come out here to follow our routes. Ideally I'd like to find a way to get the GPS data off of the GPS unit and upload that to a file that others could import into their own GPS, Google maps, TopoUSA or whatever. Or, I could draw out the routes on Google maps, but I don't know how to do that or to export that data to something others could download. Anyone here good with such projects? thanks! marlon --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff
With Google Earth you can specify the cache size (make it big) and then zoom around the area you want while you're connected and you'll be able to see that area offline. Be careful - if you reconnect and zoom around someplace else you'll flush the good stuff out of the cache. Greg On Dec 12, 2009, at 9:35 AM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Is there a versiom of Google maps that is freestanding that can be used on a laptop or PC without an Internet connection? I just need a small region like NYC or Washington DC Metro. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:06:32 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff The suggestion to convert to Google Earth/Google Maps kml/kmz file format is probably best. The issue most will have is that different GPS companies can format the data differently for their particular GPS and even the same company can format it differently for various models. The Google mapping file formats seem to have become a defacto standard that most of the software packages support and can import and export. Converting to kmz will also allow the data to be shown easily in Goggle Earth and with a little programming can also be displayed in the Google Maps API on a web site. Nice thing about the Google Maps API is being able to display street maps, aerial images as well as terrain relief. There are plenty of ways to skin this cat and I am sure others with suggest their favorite tools of the trade. Whichever you chose just realize that you should do whatever supports the most brands of GPS's possible. Thank You, Brian Webster On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:18 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: If Mr Webster does not speak up. Perhaps I can help! ryan On Dec 11, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, I'm working on a trail system for our local Chamber of Commerce. We know the routes to be used etc. I've got a Garmin Etrex Summit and we've used that with TopoUSA to map the routes. I can't seem to figure out how to get that data into a format that others can use to download into their own GPS units and come out here to follow our routes. Ideally I'd like to find a way to get the GPS data off of the GPS unit and upload that to a file that others could import into their own GPS, Google maps, TopoUSA or whatever. Or, I could draw out the routes on Google maps, but I don't know how to do that or to export that data to something others could download. Anyone here good with such projects? thanks! marlon --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff
One option would be to use the product Mapwel to make your own maps which then you could load into the other folk's Garmin GPSes. I don't know if this is more than you need. You'd need the advanced version of Mapwel so you can use the maps with any Garmin GPS. You can make the maps transparent so they'd overlay over the existing base map. The transparent map can be turned on and off. Though you'd be making a map, all it would have to contain is the data you want to overlay over the base map. Mapwel is a very simple program to use and what sets it apart from the others is it does the whole process of getting the map all the way into the GPS without needing other helper apps. You could import the data you have from your GPS, touch it up (add names, change how it will be displayed) and export the map. There's some learning curve but it's not too steep. What do you mean by routes? Is this for people to follow while driving/walking? If it's not too much data I could take a shot at doing what you'd need. I have the advanced version of the app. I use Mapwel to make maps of the area where I live because there are no existing maps. I have no connection, financial or other to this product or company. Greg On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm working on a trail system for our local Chamber of Commerce. We know the routes to be used etc. I've got a Garmin Etrex Summit and we've used that with TopoUSA to map the routes. I can't seem to figure out how to get that data into a format that others can use to download into their own GPS units and come out here to follow our routes. Ideally I'd like to find a way to get the GPS data off of the GPS unit and upload that to a file that others could import into their own GPS, Google maps, TopoUSA or whatever. Or, I could draw out the routes on Google maps, but I don't know how to do that or to export that data to something others could download. Anyone here good with such projects? thanks! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
I'm not sure of how long of a time, but over a period of say 10 years, fiber is cost effective for any developed area (subdivisions in the middle of nowhere, small towns, etc.). Rural areas are better suited for wireless. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice There will be places that running fiber 5 miles for one or two customers is not going to be feasible. The telcos had to run copper to provide a telephone in many circumstances to these areas. With fiber, I don't think they are going to do it. Not counting the cost of fiber, but the build-out with poles and/or digging will be astounding. What's the cheaper alternative here, and everywhere but the largest of populated areas? Wireless. How are we gonna provide those speeds? We need more spectrum. My guess is we will never see it under the duopoly centered FCC/all govt we have had for the past 15 years. AND of course, the govt would never want to do something the cheaper way. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:25:23 -0500 And that makes sense, however back during the rural electrification days, they weren't after 200 amp service, just a line and a light bulb made it all good. Everything after was built on top of that. But one could also argue that dial-up was the start and this is the additional upgrading. But they are right, fiber is the one true way of bringing everyone up to the same level of access. I'm conflicted because both sides in it are right, in my eyes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:48 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million - half of the households in the United States. Somebody is wrong somewhere on these numbers? and... Insight Research claims that it takes about $1,500 per household to deploy broadband, bringing the amount of money needed for universal access to $60 billion. I know I could do mucho mucho wireless with $1500 per customer! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:28:56 -0500 Maybe if it was given to those who are truly interested in providing broadband, it would be more than enough. How much more could YOU do, Scottie, if they gave you 100 grand outright? I bet it would go directly towards the customer. Now I'm sure that there are plenty of well meaning companies out there just trying for a little help and deservedly so, but basic human nature is greed and as we've talked about before, once those Wisps by Convenience get the cash, play Wisp until they run out of that cash and then go bye-bye, our payday will come when we are able to buy their equipment at auction. At least that's what I tell myself to feel better.. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
I have to believe we are on the cusp of some real innovation. The answer will not be wireless as we now know it. Instead, it will be some sort of ultra wide band signal spread over a certain frequency band and controlled by software defined radios. With the right algorithms, many users could be using the same band and only raise the noise floor slightly to an observer or an analog spectrum analyzer. Most of the recent innovation in UWB is for personal devices, low power, and short range. It can be done on a much larger, wider scale. Distance will dictate the amount of spectrum a device can use and still have adapting radiators efficient at that slice of spectrum. The biggest hurdle will be the back door the government will insist on having into the system. http://www.deviceforge.com/articles/AT8171287040.html Every house or business could have a central device communicating with the mesh or whatever it becomes, and relaying to devices in use by individuals, using a lower power UWB. I'm not sure the end device will be a phone/IPhone type device, but instead will be some sort of thin film display you either unfold, or something that is integrated into eye wear. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,667638,00.asp I think we have reached the limits of the technology now commonly available. The smart phone is not the answer. Little tiny screens are usable by young eyes, but not by mature users. A screen that communicates with the device in your pocket will be the norm. I have a friend/customer who just got a new set of hearing aids. It interfaces with his phone via bluetooth. He is able to use a cell phone now, where previous attempts were less than satisfying. My prediction is many of the people on this list will be amongst the innovators that bring these technologies to the masses. mg At 08:30 AM 12/12/2009, you wrote: There will be places that running fiber 5 miles for one or two customers is not going to be feasible. The telcos had to run copper to provide a telephone in many circumstances to these areas. With fiber, I don't think they are going to do it. Not counting the cost of fiber, but the build-out with poles and/or digging will be astounding. What's the cheaper alternative here, and everywhere but the largest of populated areas? Wireless. How are we gonna provide those speeds? We need more spectrum. My guess is we will never see it under the duopoly centered FCC/all govt we have had for the past 15 years. AND of course, the govt would never want to do something the cheaper way. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:25:23 -0500 And that makes sense, however back during the rural electrification days, they weren't after 200 amp service, just a line and a light bulb made it all good. Everything after was built on top of that. But one could also argue that dial-up was the start and this is the additional upgrading. But they are right, fiber is the one true way of bringing everyone up to the same level of access. I'm conflicted because both sides in it are right, in my eyes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:48 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million - half of the households in the United States. Somebody is wrong somewhere on these numbers? and... Insight Research claims that it takes about $1,500 per household to deploy broadband, bringing the amount of money needed for universal access to $60 billion. I know I could do mucho mucho wireless with $1500 per customer! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:28:56 -0500 Maybe if it was given to those who are truly interested in providing broadband, it would be more than enough. How much more could YOU do, Scottie, if they gave you 100 grand outright? I bet it would go directly towards the customer. Now I'm sure that there are plenty of well meaning companies out there just trying for a little help and deservedly so,
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
I'll get the witches together tonight and see if we can channel Nikola Tesla and get some answers. I've been trying not to do that anymore, the last time I followed his instructions I caught the dog on fire. But we'll see. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:22 AM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I have to believe we are on the cusp of some real innovation. The answer will not be wireless as we now know it. Instead, it will be some sort of ultra wide band signal spread over a certain frequency band and controlled by software defined radios. With the right algorithms, many users could be using the same band and only raise the noise floor slightly to an observer or an analog spectrum analyzer. Most of the recent innovation in UWB is for personal devices, low power, and short range. It can be done on a much larger, wider scale. Distance will dictate the amount of spectrum a device can use and still have adapting radiators efficient at that slice of spectrum. The biggest hurdle will be the back door the government will insist on having into the system. http://www.deviceforge.com/articles/AT8171287040.html Every house or business could have a central device communicating with the mesh or whatever it becomes, and relaying to devices in use by individuals, using a lower power UWB. I'm not sure the end device will be a phone/IPhone type device, but instead will be some sort of thin film display you either unfold, or something that is integrated into eye wear. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,667638,00.asp I think we have reached the limits of the technology now commonly available. The smart phone is not the answer. Little tiny screens are usable by young eyes, but not by mature users. A screen that communicates with the device in your pocket will be the norm. I have a friend/customer who just got a new set of hearing aids. It interfaces with his phone via bluetooth. He is able to use a cell phone now, where previous attempts were less than satisfying. My prediction is many of the people on this list will be amongst the innovators that bring these technologies to the masses. mg At 08:30 AM 12/12/2009, you wrote: There will be places that running fiber 5 miles for one or two customers is not going to be feasible. The telcos had to run copper to provide a telephone in many circumstances to these areas. With fiber, I don't think they are going to do it. Not counting the cost of fiber, but the build-out with poles and/or digging will be astounding. What's the cheaper alternative here, and everywhere but the largest of populated areas? Wireless. How are we gonna provide those speeds? We need more spectrum. My guess is we will never see it under the duopoly centered FCC/all govt we have had for the past 15 years. AND of course, the govt would never want to do something the cheaper way. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:25:23 -0500 And that makes sense, however back during the rural electrification days, they weren't after 200 amp service, just a line and a light bulb made it all good. Everything after was built on top of that. But one could also argue that dial-up was the start and this is the additional upgrading. But they are right, fiber is the one true way of bringing everyone up to the same level of access. I'm conflicted because both sides in it are right, in my eyes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:48 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million - half of the households in the United States. Somebody is wrong somewhere on these numbers? and... Insight Research claims that it takes about $1,500 per household to deploy broadband, bringing the amount of money needed for universal access to $60 billion. I know I could do mucho mucho wireless with $1500 per customer! Scottie --
[WISPA] Tower Question
http://www.wirelessestimator.com/t_content.cfm?pagename=Basic%20Wind%20Speeds%20Rev.%20G%20with%20ice According to that, I need to have my tower meet 40 mph and 3/4 of ice. http://www.wirelessestimator.com/t_content.cfm?pagename=Basic%20Wind%20Speeds%20Rev.%20G That map says I need 90 mph. Could someone explain the differences? I've seen some towers list round and panel sq. ft. maximums. Can I just figure out the ratio of the maximums to translate panels to round or vice versa to determine my mixed use footprint? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT Fw: 4 domain names will expire on 01/09/2010
Does anyone want some domains that I'm going to let expire? Never did get the project off the ground so I don't need these anymore. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: GW Direct Domain Registration To: o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: 4 domain names will expire on 01/09/2010 Dear Marlon Schafer: The following domain names and services in your account 'mkschafer' are scheduled to expire soon and will be discontinued: Service Expire Date Description --Registration 01-09-2010server-operations.comRegistration 01-09-2010 server-ops.comRegistration 01-09-2010 serveroperations.comRegistration 01-09-2010 serversoperations.comAll dates are in MM-DD- format. Please be aware that if your domain name or service is discontinued, any email, website, or other services that were associated with it may be affected. You can extend your domains and services by doing the following: 1. Go to . 2. Login to your account. 3. Go to the domains and services you wish to extend. 4. Go to the auto-renew settings for the domains and services. 5. Select the appropriate option to have the domains and services automatically renew. 6. Save your changes. After setting your domains and services to renew, we will process the renewal order and attempt to extend the domains and services for you.If you have any questions, please reply to this e-mail. Thank you for using our domain name services.Sincerely,GW Direct Domain Registration WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff
Use TopoUSA. It's easy to work with, very detailed etc. And the new ones allow you to overlay Sat. images on your maps. I've not done that part but I know it's an option. marlon - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff Is there a versiom of Google maps that is freestanding that can be used on a laptop or PC without an Internet connection? I just need a small region like NYC or Washington DC Metro. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:06:32 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff The suggestion to convert to Google Earth/Google Maps kml/kmz file format is probably best. The issue most will have is that different GPS companies can format the data differently for their particular GPS and even the same company can format it differently for various models. The Google mapping file formats seem to have become a defacto standard that most of the software packages support and can import and export. Converting to kmz will also allow the data to be shown easily in Goggle Earth and with a little programming can also be displayed in the Google Maps API on a web site. Nice thing about the Google Maps API is being able to display street maps, aerial images as well as terrain relief. There are plenty of ways to skin this cat and I am sure others with suggest their favorite tools of the trade. Whichever you chose just realize that you should do whatever supports the most brands of GPS's possible. Thank You, Brian Webster On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:18 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: If Mr Webster does not speak up. Perhaps I can help! ryan On Dec 11, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, I'm working on a trail system for our local Chamber of Commerce. We know the routes to be used etc. I've got a Garmin Etrex Summit and we've used that with TopoUSA to map the routes. I can't seem to figure out how to get that data into a format that others can use to download into their own GPS units and come out here to follow our routes. Ideally I'd like to find a way to get the GPS data off of the GPS unit and upload that to a file that others could import into their own GPS, Google maps, TopoUSA or whatever. Or, I could draw out the routes on Google maps, but I don't know how to do that or to export that data to something others could download. Anyone here good with such projects? thanks! marlon --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Credit Card Processors
Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
IP Pay and no, they're a completely different animal, which is what causes me to like them better. Their parent is CTI, which is a vendor member. They have a virtual terminal as well as support for several different billing systems and traditional terminals as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
Yes, if were starting now, I would go with IPPay. Mike Hammett wrote: IP Pay and no, they're a completely different animal, which is what causes me to like them better. Their parent is CTI, which is a vendor member. They have a virtual terminal as well as support for several different billing systems and traditional terminals as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
Ip pay. Call CTI. On 12/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: IP Pay and no, they're a completely different animal, which is what causes me to like them better. Their parent is CTI, which is a vendor member. They have a virtual terminal as well as support for several different billing systems and traditional terminals as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
Sounds like an overwhelming consensus here. I'm glad I asked. Thanks, guys. The last time I had a company quote me fees they wouldn't put it in writing. Red flag on that one. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Ip pay. Call CTI. On 12/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: IP Pay and no, they're a completely different animal, which is what causes me to like them better. Their parent is CTI, which is a vendor member. They have a virtual terminal as well as support for several different billing systems and traditional terminals as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
We use IP pay as well. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Sounds like an overwhelming consensus here. I'm glad I asked. Thanks, guys. The last time I had a company quote me fees they wouldn't put it in writing. Red flag on that one. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Ip pay. Call CTI. On 12/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: IP Pay and no, they're a completely different animal, which is what causes me to like them better. Their parent is CTI, which is a vendor member. They have a virtual terminal as well as support for several different billing systems and traditional terminals as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release Date: 12/12/09 07:38:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
Been happy with them since their WINOG in Indianapolis...last winterish? On 12/12/09, Chadd Thompson chad...@msn.com wrote: We use IP pay as well. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Sounds like an overwhelming consensus here. I'm glad I asked. Thanks, guys. The last time I had a company quote me fees they wouldn't put it in writing. Red flag on that one. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Ip pay. Call CTI. On 12/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: IP Pay and no, they're a completely different animal, which is what causes me to like them better. Their parent is CTI, which is a vendor member. They have a virtual terminal as well as support for several different billing systems and traditional terminals as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release Date: 12/12/09 07:38:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
We've been using IP Pay since Sept of last year. Its been great. No complaints. -- Blake Covarrubias On Dec 12, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Been happy with them since their WINOG in Indianapolis...last winterish? On 12/12/09, Chadd Thompson chad...@msn.com wrote: We use IP pay as well. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Sounds like an overwhelming consensus here. I'm glad I asked. Thanks, guys. The last time I had a company quote me fees they wouldn't put it in writing. Red flag on that one. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Ip pay. Call CTI. On 12/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: IP Pay and no, they're a completely different animal, which is what causes me to like them better. Their parent is CTI, which is a vendor member. They have a virtual terminal as well as support for several different billing systems and traditional terminals as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release Date: 12/12/09 07:38:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
you do not have to channel Tesla you have to find him, since he is a vampire. On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'll get the witches together tonight and see if we can channel Nikola Tesla and get some answers. I've been trying not to do that anymore, the last time I followed his instructions I caught the dog on fire. But we'll see. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:22 AM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I have to believe we are on the cusp of some real innovation. The answer will not be wireless as we now know it. Instead, it will be some sort of ultra wide band signal spread over a certain frequency band and controlled by software defined radios. With the right algorithms, many users could be using the same band and only raise the noise floor slightly to an observer or an analog spectrum analyzer. Most of the recent innovation in UWB is for personal devices, low power, and short range. It can be done on a much larger, wider scale. Distance will dictate the amount of spectrum a device can use and still have adapting radiators efficient at that slice of spectrum. The biggest hurdle will be the back door the government will insist on having into the system. http://www.deviceforge.com/articles/AT8171287040.html Every house or business could have a central device communicating with the mesh or whatever it becomes, and relaying to devices in use by individuals, using a lower power UWB. I'm not sure the end device will be a phone/IPhone type device, but instead will be some sort of thin film display you either unfold, or something that is integrated into eye wear. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,667638,00.asp I think we have reached the limits of the technology now commonly available. The smart phone is not the answer. Little tiny screens are usable by young eyes, but not by mature users. A screen that communicates with the device in your pocket will be the norm. I have a friend/customer who just got a new set of hearing aids. It interfaces with his phone via bluetooth. He is able to use a cell phone now, where previous attempts were less than satisfying. My prediction is many of the people on this list will be amongst the innovators that bring these technologies to the masses. mg At 08:30 AM 12/12/2009, you wrote: There will be places that running fiber 5 miles for one or two customers is not going to be feasible. The telcos had to run copper to provide a telephone in many circumstances to these areas. With fiber, I don't think they are going to do it. Not counting the cost of fiber, but the build-out with poles and/or digging will be astounding. What's the cheaper alternative here, and everywhere but the largest of populated areas? Wireless. How are we gonna provide those speeds? We need more spectrum. My guess is we will never see it under the duopoly centered FCC/all govt we have had for the past 15 years. AND of course, the govt would never want to do something the cheaper way. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:25:23 -0500 And that makes sense, however back during the rural electrification days, they weren't after 200 amp service, just a line and a light bulb made it all good. Everything after was built on top of that. But one could also argue that dial-up was the start and this is the additional upgrading. But they are right, fiber is the one true way of bringing everyone up to the same level of access. I'm conflicted because both sides in it are right, in my eyes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:48 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million - half of the households in the United States. Somebody is wrong somewhere on these numbers? and... Insight Research claims that it takes about $1,500 per household to deploy broadband,
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
He's actually from the future. I just have to wait until he's born. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice you do not have to channel Tesla you have to find him, since he is a vampire. On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'll get the witches together tonight and see if we can channel Nikola Tesla and get some answers. I've been trying not to do that anymore, the last time I followed his instructions I caught the dog on fire. But we'll see. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:22 AM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I have to believe we are on the cusp of some real innovation. The answer will not be wireless as we now know it. Instead, it will be some sort of ultra wide band signal spread over a certain frequency band and controlled by software defined radios. With the right algorithms, many users could be using the same band and only raise the noise floor slightly to an observer or an analog spectrum analyzer. Most of the recent innovation in UWB is for personal devices, low power, and short range. It can be done on a much larger, wider scale. Distance will dictate the amount of spectrum a device can use and still have adapting radiators efficient at that slice of spectrum. The biggest hurdle will be the back door the government will insist on having into the system. http://www.deviceforge.com/articles/AT8171287040.html Every house or business could have a central device communicating with the mesh or whatever it becomes, and relaying to devices in use by individuals, using a lower power UWB. I'm not sure the end device will be a phone/IPhone type device, but instead will be some sort of thin film display you either unfold, or something that is integrated into eye wear. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,667638,00.asp I think we have reached the limits of the technology now commonly available. The smart phone is not the answer. Little tiny screens are usable by young eyes, but not by mature users. A screen that communicates with the device in your pocket will be the norm. I have a friend/customer who just got a new set of hearing aids. It interfaces with his phone via bluetooth. He is able to use a cell phone now, where previous attempts were less than satisfying. My prediction is many of the people on this list will be amongst the innovators that bring these technologies to the masses. mg At 08:30 AM 12/12/2009, you wrote: There will be places that running fiber 5 miles for one or two customers is not going to be feasible. The telcos had to run copper to provide a telephone in many circumstances to these areas. With fiber, I don't think they are going to do it. Not counting the cost of fiber, but the build-out with poles and/or digging will be astounding. What's the cheaper alternative here, and everywhere but the largest of populated areas? Wireless. How are we gonna provide those speeds? We need more spectrum. My guess is we will never see it under the duopoly centered FCC/all govt we have had for the past 15 years. AND of course, the govt would never want to do something the cheaper way. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:25:23 -0500 And that makes sense, however back during the rural electrification days, they weren't after 200 amp service, just a line and a light bulb made it all good. Everything after was built on top of that. But one could also argue that dial-up was the start and this is the additional upgrading. But they are right, fiber is the one true way of bringing everyone up to the same level of access. I'm conflicted because both sides in it are right, in my eyes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:48 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I found these stats interesting:
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
I've been with authorize.net for nearly 10 years and am basically happy with them. With that said, I considered switching to IP-Pay but could never get a full quote from them. Robert, Please let me know how it goes. -RickG On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net ? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
My rep offered to analyze my statement and he'd provide me a quote, but I declined saying that I knew they'd be lower, and they offered a more accepted API than my current processor (local bank). Matthew Miller Business Development Executive mmil...@ippay.com cell: 630/800-8714 . office: 847/346-0990 x-7025 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 . tel: 847.346.0990 fax: 847.346.0991 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors I've been with authorize.net for nearly 10 years and am basically happy with them. With that said, I considered switching to IP-Pay but could never get a full quote from them. Robert, Please let me know how it goes. -RickG On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net ? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
Will do, Rick. I've had bad luck with processors so I've learned what to look out for the hard way. If these guys say it's cool, it probably is. I just hate surprises so I like it all in black and white, looking forward to a full quote myself. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors I've been with authorize.net for nearly 10 years and am basically happy with them. With that said, I considered switching to IP-Pay but could never get a full quote from them. Robert, Please let me know how it goes. -RickG On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net ? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
Thanks, Mike. It's appreciated. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors My rep offered to analyze my statement and he'd provide me a quote, but I declined saying that I knew they'd be lower, and they offered a more accepted API than my current processor (local bank). Matthew Miller Business Development Executive mmil...@ippay.com cell: 630/800-8714 . office: 847/346-0990 x-7025 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 . tel: 847.346.0990 fax: 847.346.0991 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors I've been with authorize.net for nearly 10 years and am basically happy with them. With that said, I considered switching to IP-Pay but could never get a full quote from them. Robert, Please let me know how it goes. -RickG On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net ? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: My rep offered to analyze my statement and he'd provide me a quote, but I declined saying that I knew they'd be lower, and they offered a more accepted API than my current processor (local bank). Matthew Miller Business Development Executive mmil...@ippay.com cell: 630/800-8714 . office: 847/346-0990 x-7025 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 . tel: 847.346.0990 fax: 847.346.0991 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors I've been with authorize.net for nearly 10 years and am basically happy with them. With that said, I considered switching to IP-Pay but could never get a full quote from them. Robert, Please let me know how it goes. -RickG On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net ? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2 business days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :) Travis Microserv Robert West wrote: Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
Wow you saved 500/mo? That has to be like 25c per customer! Glad you get your money quicker though :) On 12/12/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2 business days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :) Travis Microserv Robert West wrote: Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
Payroll costs? On 12/12/09, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: There are a lot of compelling reasons to change unless you aren't in business to make money. Having a good billing system saves in payroll costs. David -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring out the right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we could. But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing system to integrate with them. We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood IPPay does not integrate with Quickbook's billing. PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still? Resistent to change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to change. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2 business days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :) Travis Microserv Robert West wrote: Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
