Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman
How often do you need eoip? What about just tacking on a 750 when needed? On 12/17/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yeah, been down that route. Official answer from UBNT is no EoIP, no VPN, etc. Seems likes an odd thing to be leaving out. Only logical advice was to flash

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
Trying to connect remote networks into one. I'll probably end up doing just that, stick a MT at the head end of the remote network. Would have additional benefits anyhow, I guess. No matter how I slice it, Mikrotik always seems to be involved. :) -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

2009-12-17 Thread Mark Stephenson
Yes, we are seeing problems with Bullet2HPs as well. It seems Ubiquiti is having quality problems mainly on the RF side. Frustrating and expensive. Mark On 12/16/09 11:41 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone having issues with flaky Bullet2HP units? The last batch I got wont connect

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-17 Thread Chuck Hogg
I think once you have been doing it at least 2 years, you will begin to have a change of heart. We were in our infant stage. We begged for help and cooperation on helping us get access to multiple locations. They essentially said, Good luck!. All they did for us was cheerlead across KY about

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

2009-12-17 Thread Michael Baird
Rick, I read something about guys complaining about high rates of failure with the connectors on the latest batch 10/22/2009 or something. Regards Michael Baird Anyone having issues with flaky Bullet2HP units? The last batch I got wont connect to my StarOS/WRAP's. Actually, I discovered they

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-17 Thread David E. Smith
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:56, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, you were right, I was quoting from the Guide, it's just your response reminded me of the guy who worked out 42 as the actual number. Google calculator comes up with 42, also, if you do a search for the meaning

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
Maybe I'm sensitive or easily put off but the last Newsletter that we received from the Connect Ohio division of CN had me almost confront the CN coordinator at the meeting. I know that the mission is to provide broadband to EVERYONE and that includes those who can already afford access, (?) but

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-17 Thread Andy Trimmell
Speaking of stimulus http://www.ajc.com/news/biden-to-announce-fiber-243448.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Mike Hammett
UBNT has stated that MT does a lot of those extra features great and if you wanted those features, to add a MT router behind the UBNT wireless device. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
Living with a female has taught me that I must openly admit that I am an idiot at every opportunity or risk being perceived as thinking that I am Mr. Perfect or thinking that I am never wrong. I have been trying to mend my ways and try to understand that no matter what I do that feels like an

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
And everyone just LOVES wild blue, except of course the people who actually have to use it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-12-17 Thread Matt
I see my last post was redundant to some comments others already made. But to answer your question... We use Superior Essex for critical infrastrucure. We use Shireen cable (allrfcables.com) for all other. Are you using the Shireen shielded cat-5? Any problems putting connectors on? Matt

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
Exactly! Then you have not one, but 2 devices that do the same simple basics and one that does all the simple as well as the advanced. Sigh. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, December 17,

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-17 Thread David Hannum
WildBlue and Hughsnet work for for folks who can't get ANYTHING else and can AFFORD it. We're picking thos folks up right and left. I've had both before. Better than dialup - but just barely. Cost is a killer. And a Windows update FAP's you out. Dave On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Chuck

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-12-17 Thread Ryan Spott
The icky-pick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icky-pick or monkey-s*** as my telco friends call it... that is on normal cables is clear and a PITA to get off. I also find that it runs into everything when it gets hot. I moved to Western Washington State to avoid the running of the gel when it gets

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
I understand that but the way the thing reads, she can go anyplace now, that sounds like a cell card which she could have had already at the lake. As far as class, access to broadband is limited only by cash, for the most part. WildBlue is already available as long as you can see sky as well as

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 00:59 -0500, Robert West wrote: Anyone here ever figure out a way to tunnel with a UBNT device? EoIP is a Mikrotik proprietary solution. It won't work with any device that is not Mikrotik. -- * Butch

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-12-17 Thread Adam Kennedy
I was told to use rubbing alcohol by an electrician to get the icky-pick off of hands etc. On 12/17/09 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: The icky-pick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icky-pick or monkey-s*** as my telco friends call it... that is on normal cables is clear and a PITA

[WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

2009-12-17 Thread bcochran
I will have to agree with David Hannum at New Era. about CO?CN operation people. Chip and Layne Although our dealing with ConnectOhio, have not been a delight, and we find them going from one whim to another robbing the State of Ohio. There new project RFP by State for broadband expansion seems to

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
Really? I didn't know that. You learned me somethin' today, Butch. That would explain that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman
If you need something done on a network level..expect MT can do it. My CPE template contains: /interface pppoe-client add ac-name= add-default-route=yes allow=pap,chap,mschap1,mschap2 comment=\ dial-on-demand=no disabled=no interface=wlan1 max-mru=1480 max-mtu=\ 1480 mrru=disabled

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
Cool. I like easy. Explains the existence of my first wife... so maybe it's not as good thing. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman
I so hope she reads your email, I can always use a good laugh! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Robert West

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
Nah, #1 lives in New York and she can stay there. Long story with that one, but it's all good, I got the kids. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:04 PM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman
I haven't found a use for the 750 myself. I have one friend that needed a wired router at home in Kansas and need something of quality - 750 was perfect for that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
That's what I was thinking of it for as well. Inside the customers home and still can be administered through the network. Thanks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:21

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman
A 750 is the same price point as a Linksys/Dlink/Netgear router, but lacks wireless. If it had wireless many sales would be made. I don't deal much with the customers' routers. Mostly it's reboot it, try again, ok bye. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite

[WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

2009-12-17 Thread Matt Liotta
A $33.5 million grant to the North Georgia Network Cooperative for a fiber-optic ring that will bring high-speed Internet connections to the northern Georgia foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. The project will serve an eight-county area with a population of 334,000. A $25.4 million

Re: [WISPA] EiOP

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
I do the same but sadly the magic reboot seems to help in most cases. And I agree, if it had wireless I'd buy bunches but they still look to be handy at the price for wired small business networks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
On the outside, that all sounds like reasonable choices and towards the actual goal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

2009-12-17 Thread Josh Cheney
Speaking as someone from Maine, and who knows a bit about what that plan entails, it is an excellent project. On 12/17/09 2:10 PM, Robert West wrote: On the outside, that all sounds like reasonable choices and towards the actual goal. -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

2009-12-17 Thread Chuck Hogg
While to you it may not be immediately evident, the partners listed here paid at least $10k to be a partner. As such, they are the ones who are being pushed. This is the way it was done in KY. I noticed that WildBlue and Hughes was not listed for ConnectOhio, maybe that is because they too saw

Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

2009-12-17 Thread Josh Cheney
Fate making amends for the -30F windchill last night. On 12/17/09 2:24 PM, Robert West wrote: So how did it get through? :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Cheney Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:17 PM

Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network

2009-12-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
The range can be quite high. If he's counting labor maybe, otherwise that seems like a lot. marlon - Original Message - From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] This comes up again and again

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah, that's my recollection too. We (wispa) almost joined an effort that they had going. In the end we (wispa) decided not to participate. I think Rick would remember more about that than I do. marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] ConnectOhio/ CN Comments Dave Hannum

2009-12-17 Thread Chuck Hogg
That's what the cost was for ConnectKY, I inquired about being a partner. Inquire about being a partner and let us know how much it is. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[WISPA] Fw: Michael Calabrese Congressional Testimony on Spectrum Inventory and Relocation

2009-12-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
FYI, marlon - Original Message - From: Kate Brown To: o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Michael Calabrese Congressional Testimony on Spectrum Inventory and Relocation For Immediate

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah, you are an id10t! Yikes. It's only internet guys! NO ONE IS GONNA DIE if it doesn't work. Oh, they act like they will, but they wont. Safety first, and last. If you aren't safe out there, it'll be the last thing you do in this business or any other. We get in enough jams just doing

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PTMP Antenna Selection

2009-12-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We covered that pretty well at the FCC one day. There are very specific rules you have to follow to avoid the 3 for one rule. I can be done, just not easily. marlon - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

2009-12-17 Thread jp
It's a mix of miracles, talent, and deparation. Usually when the state government gets involved, Fairpoint (or whoever owns the phone company this week) manages to use their role in government to screw things up good. It's a miracle that didn't happen succesfully. The backers AND planners

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-17 Thread David Hannum
My only point (and this is my last one, then I'll go back to lurking) is that the comments appear to me that maybe we (WISPA members) were expecting Connect Ohio / CN to be a wireless only advocate. However, at least in Ohio, they received money to push broadband - regardless of the way it

Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

2009-12-17 Thread David E. Smith
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 13:24, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: So how did it get through? :) The grants were reviewed and scored by independent volunteers (I was one), who scored each of them using a fairly complex rubric. It covered things like does this meet one of the

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
You mean my freezing to death isn't worth the price of someone going to Lolcats.com? I shudder at the thought! My issue was it was nice and sunny. I rationalized myself into going up. HA! I now have a pair of cheap Thinisulate gloves from Wal-Mart in every toolbox. (60 bucks worth, cold

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PTMP Antenna Selection

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
So does Marlon the Magician have a paper written on the ways and means to get around the 3 to one rule or have we finally found new ground? :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

2009-12-17 Thread Matt Liotta
See the highlighted projects here... http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/20091217-recovery-act-investments-broadband.pdf -Matt On Dec 17, 2009, at 3:20 PM, David E. Smith wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 13:24, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.comwrote: So how did it get

Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

2009-12-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
Just curious but how will this work out for you guys in the end? Is it going to just give you guys access to middle mile facilities or is it going to give you access to wholesale fiber to the home? The way I see it is in our area if the rural areas ever get FTH most of us out here are done

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
Not me, I'm a realist for the most part. I read their mission as to help provide broadband in whatever manner it takes to do it. In our area, as someone mentioned, there is the fiber ring being built by Horizon Telecom out of Chillicothe. Very good! We want that. I'm for whatever it takes to

Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
Man, I'm really glad that logic and common sense prevailed. So the system worked out. Hopefully the rest will make just as much sense. It will take only one idiotic grant to make the rest of the program look like the bank bailout then no one will get any respect. I personally thank you for

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
Yeah, they have to. It's the only economical way to provide last mile in the sticks in a hurry. My issue isn't with that though, it's the energy wasted on self promotion. I don't have the answer on what they should do and I don't know if they should do anything at all. As I said before, those

Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

2009-12-17 Thread jp
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 03:04:28PM -0600, Chadd Thompson wrote: Just curious but how will this work out for you guys in the end? Is it going to just give you guys access to middle mile facilities or is it going to give you access to wholesale fiber to the home? Primarily middle-mile/2nd

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-17 Thread Mike
I like the hand warmer idea. I see em for less than a buck per regularly. Thanks for the tip. mg At 02:01 PM 12/17/2009, you wrote: Yeah, you are an id10t! Yikes. It's only internet guys! NO ONE IS GONNA DIE if it doesn't work. Oh, they act like they will, but they wont. Safety first,

[WISPA] In case you hadn't noticed

2009-12-17 Thread Rick Harnish
The WISPA website has added new life recently. Alex Goldman, a long time writer for ISP-Planet is now writing content for WISPA. Alex is averaging 2-3 articles a week and has many new ideas to present fresh content and interesting features in the coming months. Please let us know if there are

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
I picked up whole box of them tonight at Advance Auto while getting some transmission fluid. 20 in a box, 89 cents each. Says will last 7 hours. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-17 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Talk about hand warmers. I saw at the dollar tree they had hand warmers (reusable). I had those reusable before ad they are GREAT. There is a small metal button inside you pop and it starts to get warm. After a while they start to cool down ad start to get hard. To make it usable again just boil

Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-17 Thread Robert West
Hey! Only $6.99 at Amazon! That little item looks to be a very useful thing. http://www.amazon.com/Prism-Technologies-Proheat-Reusable-Warmer/dp/B000C9DC G8 Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti units

2009-12-17 Thread RickG
Still not quite right. Even with a low setting it burst way too much. I'm just setting burst to 0 until it gets figured out. -RickG On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yep, you're right. I've had mine set too high as well. -Original

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

2009-12-17 Thread RickG
I'll double-check the connectors and let you know. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Rick, I read something about guys complaining about high rates of failure with the connectors on the latest batch 10/22/2009 or something. Regards Michael Baird