Re: [WISPA] multiple networks on one cable...
On 2010-01-14 15:47, Mark McElvy wrote: I would if I had my brain wrapped around VLan's What equipment are you using? We could provide some guidance... Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] multiple networks on one cable... 2010/1/14 Mark McElvymmce...@accubak.com: I am moving my servers to a new location in the same building. I only have 2 Ethernet runs from the current room to the new. I also have several networks to move. What would it hurt to have several different IP networks traveling across a single cable for say a week as I moved the servers, ie, 10.25.1.x and 172.22.1.x and 172.22.255.x all plugged into the same switch? Why not trunk them as tagged vlans? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.127/2603 - Release Date: 01/14/10 01:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] multiple networks on one cable...
I have Dell managed switches. A 24 and 48 port 10/100 and a 16 port Gb -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ugo Bellavance Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:32 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] multiple networks on one cable... On 2010-01-14 15:47, Mark McElvy wrote: I would if I had my brain wrapped around VLan's What equipment are you using? We could provide some guidance... Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] multiple networks on one cable... 2010/1/14 Mark McElvymmce...@accubak.com: I am moving my servers to a new location in the same building. I only have 2 Ethernet runs from the current room to the new. I also have several networks to move. What would it hurt to have several different IP networks traveling across a single cable for say a week as I moved the servers, ie, 10.25.1.x and 172.22.1.x and 172.22.255.x all plugged into the same switch? Why not trunk them as tagged vlans? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.127/2603 - Release Date: 01/14/10 01:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.127/2603 - Release Date: 01/14/10 01:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh network - what do you think?
unfortunately it's an ancient hotel, cabling is VERY difficult (for aesthetics) So it's one of the reasons why I need mesh :/ Thank you in advance My hotels have 5 to 25 APs. Each of them are wired, no mesh. Some of them have switches in closets that spider out if it's easier to wire that way. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi All I am wondering if somebody of you is using mesh networks for hotels or hospitality sites. What I was wondering is if you tried mikrotik mesh network, if they are stable in the field, etc. I was also thinking about ruckus, they are focused on mesh network, so any input on this topic is very welcome. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh network - what do you think?
I would vote for the Ruckus solution. You will be amazed with the results. Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh network - what do you think? unfortunately it's an ancient hotel, cabling is VERY difficult (for aesthetics) So it's one of the reasons why I need mesh :/ Thank you in advance My hotels have 5 to 25 APs. Each of them are wired, no mesh. Some of them have switches in closets that spider out if it's easier to wire that way. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi All I am wondering if somebody of you is using mesh networks for hotels or hospitality sites. What I was wondering is if you tried mikrotik mesh network, if they are stable in the field, etc. I was also thinking about ruckus, they are focused on mesh network, so any input on this topic is very welcome. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh network - what do you think?
I've not gone down this way, but I would also look at Ruckus first. I know Daniel White of 3db did a lot of Ruckus. I'd have to guess that his bosses did, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I would vote for the Ruckus solution. You will be amazed with the results. Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh network - what do you think? unfortunately it's an ancient hotel, cabling is VERY difficult (for aesthetics) So it's one of the reasons why I need mesh :/ Thank you in advance My hotels have 5 to 25 APs. Each of them are wired, no mesh. Some of them have switches in closets that spider out if it's easier to wire that way. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi All I am wondering if somebody of you is using mesh networks for hotels or hospitality sites. What I was wondering is if you tried mikrotik mesh network, if they are stable in the field, etc. I was also thinking about ruckus, they are focused on mesh network, so any input on this topic is very welcome. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh network - what do you think?
They have phone lines no? Moto has exactly what you need for this - it's a VDSL-type product with AP's that mount to the wall in the room. you would distribute them in a checkerboard pattern through the hotel. I saw spec sheets on one of the vendor tables (3dB?) downstairs From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco [paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh network - what do you think? unfortunately it's an ancient hotel, cabling is VERY difficult (for aesthetics) So it's one of the reasons why I need mesh :/ Thank you in advance My hotels have 5 to 25 APs. Each of them are wired, no mesh. Some of them have switches in closets that spider out if it's easier to wire that way. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi All I am wondering if somebody of you is using mesh networks for hotels or hospitality sites. What I was wondering is if you tried mikrotik mesh network, if they are stable in the field, etc. I was also thinking about ruckus, they are focused on mesh network, so any input on this topic is very welcome. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question
Hi all, Just to update you, Trango contacted me in the meantime and suggested doing a full 'reset' on each side and then re-entering in all my config, excluding the 'remark,' but including the license key and everything else (freqs, IPs, etc). Doing this did work, and the link is re-established. However, I still cannot reach my units over their assigned IBM (In-Band Management) IP when I am attempting to contact them outside of their assigned Vlan. The reason for this is I cannot (or do not see how) to specify an IBM IP Gateway, although this version of the firmware supposedly adds IBM gateway fixed -- do any of you have similar issues? Thank you. -Steven Steven McGehee wrote: I have a similar issue with an 11Ghz Apex that for some reason, is stuck in debug mode in the command line (and the command to leave that and go back to normal view/config mode isn't working). It's still running the v1p1p1 firmware. Thank you all for your responses by the way -- I did, earlier today, go to each side of the first Apex link I wanted to upgrade which operates in 11Ghz. I plugged my laptop into each Management port on the unit and performed the upgrade per the Manual_TLink_APEX18_Rev1p0.pdf. Everything went well, but after the reboot, the link was down. Fortunately, this is just a secondary link and no customers were on it. I went to the other side of it, and did the exact same procedure there. The link was still down, although the upgrade procedure went by the book. I power cycled both sides, no luck. Any thoughts? All settings were saved just before the reboot (after the firmware updates, the final step is to reboot and I saved the config just before that). I'm going to look more into it tomorrow and report back, but I would appreciate any thoughts in the meantime if you folks have similar experiences. Thanks! -Steven Tom DeReggi wrote: I always find it interesting how different people have different experiences with the same gear. I'm wondering if it depends on what firmware each was using.at the time? Our APEX gear is 18Ghz, and we have not had the same experiences shared by the others. The experience we had was that the management interface became unaccessible after a period of like a month, but data always passed flawlessly. Since we upgraded to the latest firmware, this no longer occurs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 08:50, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: The reason the Apex18 was upgraded was because it would just stop passing data even though the rssi, BER, MSE and link lock status all showed good. So far we haven't seen the issue again, but this problem only surfaced every month or two. Jury is still out if the firmware resolved the issue. I had basically that same problem, except the radios would stop passing traffic every two or three days. Applied that firmware late last summer (August, maybe? September? I've slept since then). Not a single glitch since, so I'm willing to say the firmware resolved it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80. I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge better in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every year to 18 months. My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days.Each time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess. Each time a storm came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just reverted back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave me a new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze. What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of others that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power output. -- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas? We had a Southwest wind power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds. Are 5 or 6-blade turbines going to handle high wind better? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
Good feedback. The air breeze came off the mountain just before I left for AF, so I haven't taken it apart yet. Smelled a bit toasty though. Anyone tried the Tycon Power systems turbine yet? Obviously will need an external controller and load dump. Randy On 1/15/2010 9:59 AM, MDK wrote: I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80. I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge better in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every year to 18 months. My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days.Each time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess. Each time a storm came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just reverted back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave me a new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze. What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of others that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power output. -- From: Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas? We had a Southwest wind power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds. Are 5 or 6-blade turbines going to handle high wind better? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh network - what do you think?
Will anything else mesh with the Ruckus stuff? The fancy antenna system aside, is the wireless standards based? Greg On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I would vote for the Ruckus solution. You will be amazed with the results. Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh network - what do you think? unfortunately it's an ancient hotel, cabling is VERY difficult (for aesthetics) So it's one of the reasons why I need mesh :/ Thank you in advance My hotels have 5 to 25 APs. Each of them are wired, no mesh. Some of them have switches in closets that spider out if it's easier to wire that way. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi All I am wondering if somebody of you is using mesh networks for hotels or hospitality sites. What I was wondering is if you tried mikrotik mesh network, if they are stable in the field, etc. I was also thinking about ruckus, they are focused on mesh network, so any input on this topic is very welcome. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow and wirelesscowboys.com
I recently started a new blog site that will be highlighting the stories of Wireless ISPs around the US, along with equipment reviews, opinion pieces on broadband policy and some occasional rants and raves. The site is called Wireless Cowboys and you can find it at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/. For those of you that don't know me, I run a WISP in rural Nebraska and Wyoming and the WISP Directory site http://www.wispdirectory.com. My college degree is in journalism and this is my attempt to reactivate my writing skills outside of the wireless mailling lists. I have loaded some of my previous postings, but today is the unofficial kickoff of the site and I have a long, eight part story about the struggles of a small town in Wyoming to get broadband service and how they finally got it. It is an eye opener for people who are not directly involved in the WISP industry and a reflection of the everyday struggles that WISPs face. My intention is to feature more articles about WISPs in the future. If you have a story that you would like to share with the world, please contact me at wirelesscowboy -at- vistabeam.com. Thanks and have a great weekend! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wispdirectory.com wirelesscowboys.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
Has anybody used Swift 's ? quiet and small but I have no idea how they hold up in extreme weather. But I think the one that's coming on hard is Flow Design's. Way too big for us now, but if they ever get their head out of the clouds, they could be a real contender for small home and commercial turbines. IMHO, Keep a close eye on this one. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine Good feedback. The air breeze came off the mountain just before I left for AF, so I haven't taken it apart yet. Smelled a bit toasty though. Anyone tried the Tycon Power systems turbine yet? Obviously will need an external controller and load dump. Randy On 1/15/2010 9:59 AM, MDK wrote: I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80. I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge better in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every year to 18 months. My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days. Each time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess. Each time a storm came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just reverted back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave me a new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze. What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of others that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power output. -- From: Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas? We had a Southwest wind power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds. Are 5 or 6-blade turbines going to handle high wind better? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP group for this question... Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the middle of a metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by ghetto on one side and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option. We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel cell batteries which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)... The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each event we work in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever battery is in place.. Not quite the most efficient plan. Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 300-400 amp hour, then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to maintain a charge... Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater turned down to 25 watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, transmit ramps up to about 3.5 amps... Duty cycle is key here - we work perhaps a dozen events a year within the coverage of this repeater for about 4 hours each on about a 10% duty cycle (TX 6 out of every 60 minutes). The rest of the time the repeater sits idle and will not transmit unnecessarily (no IDs or anything unless it's actively in use)... What is out there on the market for a low cost solar site? Thanks! -AJ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh network - what do you think?
Ruckus is 802.11 Wifi + mesh. It has three antennas, I believe. Heard nothing but it works great. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Greg os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Will anything else mesh with the Ruckus stuff? The fancy antenna system aside, is the wireless standards based? Greg On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I would vote for the Ruckus solution. You will be amazed with the results. Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh network - what do you think? unfortunately it's an ancient hotel, cabling is VERY difficult (for aesthetics) So it's one of the reasons why I need mesh :/ Thank you in advance My hotels have 5 to 25 APs. Each of them are wired, no mesh. Some of them have switches in closets that spider out if it's easier to wire that way. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi All I am wondering if somebody of you is using mesh networks for hotels or hospitality sites. What I was wondering is if you tried mikrotik mesh network, if they are stable in the field, etc. I was also thinking about ruckus, they are focused on mesh network, so any input on this topic is very welcome. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow and wirelesscowboys.com
Matt, What a great idea and name. Congrads with the launch! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Mikrotik discussions mikro...@mail.butchevans.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow and wirelesscowboys.com I recently started a new blog site that will be highlighting the stories of Wireless ISPs around the US, along with equipment reviews, opinion pieces on broadband policy and some occasional rants and raves. The site is called Wireless Cowboys and you can find it at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/. For those of you that don't know me, I run a WISP in rural Nebraska and Wyoming and the WISP Directory site http://www.wispdirectory.com. My college degree is in journalism and this is my attempt to reactivate my writing skills outside of the wireless mailling lists. I have loaded some of my previous postings, but today is the unofficial kickoff of the site and I have a long, eight part story about the struggles of a small town in Wyoming to get broadband service and how they finally got it. It is an eye opener for people who are not directly involved in the WISP industry and a reflection of the everyday struggles that WISPs face. My intention is to feature more articles about WISPs in the future. If you have a story that you would like to share with the world, please contact me at wirelesscowboy -at- vistabeam.com. Thanks and have a great weekend! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wispdirectory.com wirelesscowboys.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
Latitude and average cloud cover will be factors. I would use MorningStar MPPT solar charge controllers. Get every last watt of solar charging you can manage. Each controller can handle one to three 75 to 200 watt panels. If you end up needing more than three panels, add controllers and panels until sufficient charging is obtained. Avoid as many power conversions as possible. Power conversions never have 100% efficiency and many of your precious watts end up wasted as heat. 6V golf cart batteries are the best bang for the battery buck and can be deep cycled much better than 12V automotive-style batteries because they have much thicker plates. Dusty and/or snowy areas can be a problem. If so, schedule regular PMI visits to inspect and clean the panels. Use security screws on the solar panel mounting brackets. Solar panels are starting to become a popular theft item. My advice is free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer Waikoloa Village, HI 96738 N19°57' W155°47' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP group for this question... Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the middle of a metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by ghetto on one side and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option. We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel cell batteries which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)... The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each event we work in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever battery is in place.. Not quite the most efficient plan. Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 300-400 amp hour, then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to maintain a charge... Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater turned down to 25 watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, transmit ramps up to about 3.5 amps... Duty cycle is key here - we work perhaps a dozen events a year within the coverage of this repeater for about 4 hours each on about a 10% duty cycle (TX 6 out of every 60 minutes). The rest of the time the repeater sits idle and will not transmit unnecessarily (no IDs or anything unless it's actively in use)... What is out there on the market for a low cost solar site? Thanks! -AJ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
or smog cover. ;-) There's more usable sunlight here in Chicago than there is in LA and they're a bit south of us. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? Latitude and average cloud cover will be factors. I would use MorningStar MPPT solar charge controllers. Get every last watt of solar charging you can manage. Each controller can handle one to three 75 to 200 watt panels. If you end up needing more than three panels, add controllers and panels until sufficient charging is obtained. Avoid as many power conversions as possible. Power conversions never have 100% efficiency and many of your precious watts end up wasted as heat. 6V golf cart batteries are the best bang for the battery buck and can be deep cycled much better than 12V automotive-style batteries because they have much thicker plates. Dusty and/or snowy areas can be a problem. If so, schedule regular PMI visits to inspect and clean the panels. Use security screws on the solar panel mounting brackets. Solar panels are starting to become a popular theft item. My advice is free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer Waikoloa Village, HI 96738 N19°57' W155°47' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP group for this question... Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the middle of a metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by ghetto on one side and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option. We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel cell batteries which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)... The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each event we work in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever battery is in place.. Not quite the most efficient plan. Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 300-400 amp hour, then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to maintain a charge... Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater turned down to 25 watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, transmit ramps up to about 3.5 amps... Duty cycle is key here - we work perhaps a dozen events a year within the coverage of this repeater for about 4 hours each on about a 10% duty cycle (TX 6 out of every 60 minutes). The rest of the time the repeater sits idle and will not transmit unnecessarily (no IDs or anything unless it's actively in use)... What is out there on the market for a low cost solar site? Thanks! -AJ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Send MONEY Now!
As is Episcopal Relief and Development. http://www.er-d.org/ Cheers, Curtis On 1/14/2010 12:16 PM, Jeremy Parr wrote: 2010/1/14 RickGrgunder...@gmail.com: You guys are the best for doing this but be careful who and where you send money. Unfortunately, there are a lot of scam artist that will take advantage of situations like this. Yes, I would avoid the missionary groups. Doctors Without Borders is legit, and the Red Cross is always a fairly safe bet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
As far as sun hours are concerned, this is in the Boise, Idaho area which falls within Zone 4 with an average 4.5 sun hours per day. The site itself should be in full sun the majority of the day as it sits on a bench above the downtown area. The inversion haze is pretty bad in the winter - however - not many parades, marathons, races or marches (other than the Boise Holiday Parade) between November and April... Power is consistent across the board - all of the radio and control equipment work directly off of 12 VDC. Batteries are free to us as surplussed by the utility donating them. I *completely* agree with security screws on panels - the BLM sites here have heavy L channel over the edges of the panel with pad locks to completely secure the panel in place. We work on roughly a $500 annual operating budget solely from donations - whatever we end up with would need to be scalable so we can start out with a very basic system and ramp up over time. Thanks! -AJ On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com wrote: Latitude and average cloud cover will be factors. I would use MorningStar MPPT solar charge controllers. Get every last watt of solar charging you can manage. Each controller can handle one to three 75 to 200 watt panels. If you end up needing more than three panels, add controllers and panels until sufficient charging is obtained. Avoid as many power conversions as possible. Power conversions never have 100% efficiency and many of your precious watts end up wasted as heat. 6V golf cart batteries are the best bang for the battery buck and can be deep cycled much better than 12V automotive-style batteries because they have much thicker plates. Dusty and/or snowy areas can be a problem. If so, schedule regular PMI visits to inspect and clean the panels. Use security screws on the solar panel mounting brackets. Solar panels are starting to become a popular theft item. My advice is free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer Waikoloa Village, HI 96738 N19°57' W155°47' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP group for this question... Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the middle of a metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by ghetto on one side and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option. We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel cell batteries which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)... The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each event we work in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever battery is in place.. Not quite the most efficient plan. Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 300-400 amp hour, then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to maintain a charge... Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater turned down to 25 watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, transmit ramps up to about 3.5 amps... Duty cycle is key here - we work perhaps a dozen events a year within the coverage of this repeater for about 4 hours each on about a 10% duty cycle (TX 6 out of every 60 minutes). The rest of the time the repeater sits idle and will not transmit unnecessarily (no IDs or anything unless it's actively in use)... What is out there on the market for a low cost solar site? Thanks! -AJ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
Lot of sun down there in Hawaii, Christopher? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe start with one or two 75 watt panels and an MPPT charger and see where that gets you. And it isn't against the rules to visit the site to charge up the batteries with a Honda 1000i generator once in a while during winter if the site begins to fall behind a bit in charging. The MPPT chargers ar a tiny bit more expensive than the old technology chargers but they do a better job of being able to charge with feeble sunrise, sunset and overcast light. They can even charge the batteries when the panels are putting out less than 12 volts. They probably add about 5% to 10% more charging every day than old style chargers. And they will never overcharge your batteries. My advice is free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer Waikoloa Village, HI 96738 N19°57' W155°47' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? As far as sun hours are concerned, this is in the Boise, Idaho area which falls within Zone 4 with an average 4.5 sun hours per day. The site itself should be in full sun the majority of the day as it sits on a bench above the downtown area. The inversion haze is pretty bad in the winter - however - not many parades, marathons, races or marches (other than the Boise Holiday Parade) between November and April... Power is consistent across the board - all of the radio and control equipment work directly off of 12 VDC. Batteries are free to us as surplussed by the utility donating them. I *completely* agree with security screws on panels - the BLM sites here have heavy L channel over the edges of the panel with pad locks to completely secure the panel in place. We work on roughly a $500 annual operating budget solely from donations - whatever we end up with would need to be scalable so we can start out with a very basic system and ramp up over time. Thanks! -AJ On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com wrote: Latitude and average cloud cover will be factors. I would use MorningStar MPPT solar charge controllers. Get every last watt of solar charging you can manage. Each controller can handle one to three 75 to 200 watt panels. If you end up needing more than three panels, add controllers and panels until sufficient charging is obtained. Avoid as many power conversions as possible. Power conversions never have 100% efficiency and many of your precious watts end up wasted as heat. 6V golf cart batteries are the best bang for the battery buck and can be deep cycled much better than 12V automotive-style batteries because they have much thicker plates. Dusty and/or snowy areas can be a problem. If so, schedule regular PMI visits to inspect and clean the panels. Use security screws on the solar panel mounting brackets. Solar panels are starting to become a popular theft item. My advice is free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer Waikoloa Village, HI 96738 N19°57' W155°47' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP group for this question... Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the middle of a metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by ghetto on one side and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option. We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel cell batteries which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)... The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each event we work in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever battery is in place.. Not quite the most efficient plan. Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 300-400 amp hour, then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to maintain a charge... Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater turned down to 25 watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, transmit ramps up to about 3.5 amps... Duty cycle is key
Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
I would go for a dual site wind and solar. It covers for long spell of cloud. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
Oops, forgot to mention that part - license from the city parks and rec department (who owns the land the abandoned railroad building and wooden poles sit on) specifically prohibits the use of wind generation equipment. Small inconvenience for a free site :) Thanks! -AJ On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:20 PM, richard sterne wireless.r...@gmail.comwrote: I would go for a dual site wind and solar. It covers for long spell of cloud. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
Lots and lots of sun here! Nothing at all like building high-reliability off-grid power systems for frigid mountain top comm sites during my 25 years in Alaska. Speaking of which, I generally try to avoid wind generators in snow and ice country. All it usually takes is a bit of ice on the blades and before you know it, the bearings are shot. And charge controllers for wind generators are much more problematic and inefficient than solar controllers. My advice is free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer Waikoloa Village, HI 96738 N19°57' W155°47' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? Lot of sun down there in Hawaii, Christopher? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe start with one or two 75 watt panels and an MPPT charger and see where that gets you. And it isn't against the rules to visit the site to charge up the batteries with a Honda 1000i generator once in a while during winter if the site begins to fall behind a bit in charging. The MPPT chargers ar a tiny bit more expensive than the old technology chargers but they do a better job of being able to charge with feeble sunrise, sunset and overcast light. They can even charge the batteries when the panels are putting out less than 12 volts. They probably add about 5% to 10% more charging every day than old style chargers. And they will never overcharge your batteries. My advice is free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer Waikoloa Village, HI 96738 N19°57' W155°47' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? As far as sun hours are concerned, this is in the Boise, Idaho area which falls within Zone 4 with an average 4.5 sun hours per day. The site itself should be in full sun the majority of the day as it sits on a bench above the downtown area. The inversion haze is pretty bad in the winter - however - not many parades, marathons, races or marches (other than the Boise Holiday Parade) between November and April... Power is consistent across the board - all of the radio and control equipment work directly off of 12 VDC. Batteries are free to us as surplussed by the utility donating them. I *completely* agree with security screws on panels - the BLM sites here have heavy L channel over the edges of the panel with pad locks to completely secure the panel in place. We work on roughly a $500 annual operating budget solely from donations - whatever we end up with would need to be scalable so we can start out with a very basic system and ramp up over time. Thanks! -AJ On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com wrote: Latitude and average cloud cover will be factors. I would use MorningStar MPPT solar charge controllers. Get every last watt of solar charging you can manage. Each controller can handle one to three 75 to 200 watt panels. If you end up needing more than three panels, add controllers and panels until sufficient charging is obtained. Avoid as many power conversions as possible. Power conversions never have 100% efficiency and many of your precious watts end up wasted as heat. 6V golf cart batteries are the best bang for the battery buck and can be deep cycled much better than 12V automotive-style batteries because they have much thicker plates. Dusty and/or snowy areas can be a problem. If so, schedule regular PMI visits to inspect and clean the panels. Use security screws on the solar panel mounting brackets. Solar panels are starting to become a popular theft item. My advice is free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer Waikoloa Village, HI 96738 N19°57' W155°47' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP group for this question...
Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
Randy, You don't need a dump load with the Tycon Power Systems turbines. It's just an option. Some folks like to dump any extra power (after the batteries are fully charged) off to a heater or other load. Scott -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:33 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine Has anybody used Swift 's ? quiet and small but I have no idea how they hold up in extreme weather. But I think the one that's coming on hard is Flow Design's. Way too big for us now, but if they ever get their head out of the clouds, they could be a real contender for small home and commercial turbines. IMHO, Keep a close eye on this one. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine Good feedback. The air breeze came off the mountain just before I left for AF, so I haven't taken it apart yet. Smelled a bit toasty though. Anyone tried the Tycon Power systems turbine yet? Obviously will need an external controller and load dump. Randy On 1/15/2010 9:59 AM, MDK wrote: I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80. I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge better in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every year to 18 months. My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days. Each time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess. Each time a storm came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just reverted back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave me a new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze. What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of others that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power output. -- From: Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas? We had a Southwest wind power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds. Are 5 or 6-blade turbines going to handle high wind better? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
You have plenty of battery capacity to handle your intermittent load so you just really have to deal with the standby load. A 10W solar panel would handle your standby load. There's a handy calculator at tyconpower.com/learning_center I would recommend a small 30W solar panel to take care of standby load and give enough extra capacity to keep the battery bank fully charged. A 12V 5A controller would handle the charging of the batteries and your load. Some prices from beezwaxproducts.com 30W 12V panel $179 12V 5A controller $24.95 Scott -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP group for this question... Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the middle of a metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by ghetto on one side and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option. We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel cell batteries which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)... The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each event we work in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever battery is in place.. Not quite the most efficient plan. Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 300-400 amp hour, then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to maintain a charge... Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater turned down to 25 watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, transmit ramps up to about 3.5 amps... Duty cycle is key here - we work perhaps a dozen events a year within the coverage of this repeater for about 4 hours each on about a 10% duty cycle (TX 6 out of every 60 minutes). The rest of the time the repeater sits idle and will not transmit unnecessarily (no IDs or anything unless it's actively in use)... What is out there on the market for a low cost solar site? Thanks! -AJ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
What does happen when the battery is fully charged if you do not have a dump load with the tycon turbines? Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net wrote: Randy, You don't need a dump load with the Tycon Power Systems turbines. It's just an option. Some folks like to dump any extra power (after the batteries are fully charged) off to a heater or other load. Scott -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:33 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine Has anybody used Swift 's ? quiet and small but I have no idea how they hold up in extreme weather. But I think the one that's coming on hard is Flow Design's. Way too big for us now, but if they ever get their head out of the clouds, they could be a real contender for small home and commercial turbines. IMHO, Keep a close eye on this one. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine Good feedback. The air breeze came off the mountain just before I left for AF, so I haven't taken it apart yet. Smelled a bit toasty though. Anyone tried the Tycon Power systems turbine yet? Obviously will need an external controller and load dump. Randy On 1/15/2010 9:59 AM, MDK wrote: I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80. I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge better in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every year to 18 months. My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days. Each time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess. Each time a storm came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just reverted back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave me a new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze. What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of others that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power output. -- From: Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas? We had a Southwest wind power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds. Are 5 or 6-blade turbines going to handle high wind better? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
Wow those Tycon panels look right up our alley - what exactly seems to be the preferred mounting bracket/hardware for these? Thanks! -AJ On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net wrote: You have plenty of battery capacity to handle your intermittent load so you just really have to deal with the standby load. A 10W solar panel would handle your standby load. There's a handy calculator at tyconpower.com/learning_center I would recommend a small 30W solar panel to take care of standby load and give enough extra capacity to keep the battery bank fully charged. A 12V 5A controller would handle the charging of the batteries and your load. Some prices from beezwaxproducts.com 30W 12V panel $179 12V 5A controller $24.95 Scott -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP group for this question... Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the middle of a metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by ghetto on one side and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option. We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel cell batteries which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)... The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each event we work in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever battery is in place.. Not quite the most efficient plan. Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 300-400 amp hour, then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to maintain a charge... Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater turned down to 25 watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, transmit ramps up to about 3.5 amps... Duty cycle is key here - we work perhaps a dozen events a year within the coverage of this repeater for about 4 hours each on about a 10% duty cycle (TX 6 out of every 60 minutes). The rest of the time the repeater sits idle and will not transmit unnecessarily (no IDs or anything unless it's actively in use)... What is out there on the market for a low cost solar site? Thanks! -AJ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Skype To FCC Request Net Neutrality
http://gigaom.com/2010/01/14/skype-to-fcc-keep-internet-open-neutral/ If this already been posted my apologies but can't recall seeing anything about this today. / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
