[WISPA] Advertising material

2010-02-11 Thread Kevin Sullivan
We're working on a new ad campign for the new locations that we can now hit that we couldn't before, thanks to several new tower sites. Does anyone have any good direct mail material? I hate the stuff we've been using, but I'm having trouble coming up with anything better. BTW -- has anyone

[WISPA] Fwd: (PR) New Lanner Enterprise-Class Net work Appliance Maximizes Ethernet Port Density and Netwo rk Bandwidth by Utilizing the Intel® Xeon® Pro cessor C5500 Series and Intel® 3420 Chipset

2010-02-11 Thread Gino Villarini
I want this as my router Sent from my Motorola Startac... Begin forwarded message: From: Lanner Marketing market...@lannerinc.com Date: February 11, 2010 4:20:48 AM GMT-04:00 To: g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: (PR) New Lanner Enterprise-Class Network Appliance Maximizes Ethernet Port

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Bret Clark
Paul Gerstenberger wrote: There are a number of blackhole routes and ACL lines for unallocated IPs, that's why it's so long. Probably overkill. I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some of these IPs. [ad...@mikrotik] /routing ospf export # feb/11/2010

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: (PR) New Lanner Enterprise-Class Net work Appliance Maximizes Ethernet Port Density and Netwo rk Bandwidth by Utilizing the Intel® Xeon® Pro cessor C5500 Series and Intel® 3420 Chipse

2010-02-11 Thread Brad Belton
That is pretty cool! Wonder what the price is? Wonder if you can load MT on itlol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:44 AM To: motor...@afmug.com;

[WISPA] Wiki Documents

2010-02-11 Thread Mike Hammett
I ask other members to contribute documents to the WISPA Wiki. In particular, I am now searching for a business\government level contract. However, more documents of all kinds are needed. I don't have any, otherwise I'd contribute what I have. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: isGoogle our next competitor?

2010-02-11 Thread Andy Trimmell
It was a funny April Fools joke 3 years ago too :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of

Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: isGoogle our next competitor?

2010-02-11 Thread Robert West
The TISP is a good idea but in reality their service is sh*t. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to run small

Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: isGoogle our next competitor?

2010-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
Was that pun intended? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Robert West

[WISPA] Broadband Breakfast Club video now posted

2010-02-11 Thread Brian Webster
Just wanted to let you know that the video from the Broadband Breakfast club where I participated on the panel has been posted. The topic was collecting and using data. There were two FCC staffers in attendance as well as one former FCC economist. It was an excellent discussion and the keynote

Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: isGoogle our next competitor?

2010-02-11 Thread Robert West
There was a pun? I missed it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: isGoogle

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone: ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3 and this in the mikrotik: ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1 (pretty sure, I did it from

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Data Technology
Could it be a firewall rule? Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone: ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3 and this in the mikrotik: ip route add

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
I have the new network permitted in my ingress and egress ACLs for our outbound interface. I've also tried using a smaller subnet of IPs from a different pool that we've been using for years. And I briefly disabled the ACLs altogether to test. And when I attach this network direct to the

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Dennis Burgess
NAT. your 10.x is privates, you may need to nat them out. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website:

[WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

2010-02-11 Thread Steve Barnes
For those of you who do tech support. We have had 6 computers come in to our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or safe mode is give a Blue Screen of Death. They all claim that their computers did a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer work.

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
I have public IPs, the 10.0.4.0 network is my OSPF backbone network. I'm not trying to go out with those addresses. What I've put down as yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 signifies my new public IPs. I'm using one of the new public IPs right now, but I had to attach it to the riverstone (which holds the

Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

2010-02-11 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Can you get to Safe Mode and Command Prompt? If so, you may be able to restore to the previous configuration: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304449 Also, sometimes, you can use the restoration partition or Windows CD and get to the option to Repair rather than wholesale reload and preserve the

Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

2010-02-11 Thread Steve Barnes
We have tried all we are doing repair installs (over the top) but that still has not been successful. And no safe mode works. Thanks for your reply Jonathan just wanted other to know what we are seeing in-case they have the same issues. I know that this is a WISP forum not a PC repair forum.

Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

2010-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
When you say And no safe mode works do you mean you can get in to safe mode but a rollback doesn't fix it or you can't enter safe mode? Kind of confused with the wording. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final,

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Bret Clark
At this point I think I would just port mirror on a port on the Riverstone and see what Wireshark is showing. I see nothing wrong with the routing statements and I know it works as we have a fair number of Mikrotiks running with RS3000's and RS8000's using OSPF's. On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:20

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Data Technology
You said that you have one of the public ip's assigned to the riverstone. That might be causing the problem. What netmask did you use on the riverstone for the public ip? If you used a /24 then the riverstone thinks that whole subnet is attached to it and is probably ignoring the routing

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
I just added the network to the riverstone this morning to double-check it's outbound connectivity, it was not attached to both riverstone and the mikrotik at the same time. -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Data Technology wrote: You said that you have one of the public ip's assigned to

Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

2010-02-11 Thread Pat O'Connor
MS update KB977165 is the culprit. If you remove that update through the recovery console the computer will boot and work properly. Steve Barnes wrote: For those of you who do tech support. We have had 6 computers come in to our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in

Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

2010-02-11 Thread Steve Barnes
Thanks Pat you're the bomb Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Pat O'Connor Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

2010-02-11 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Yes, the recovery console, direct from the CD, can do a system restore to a date before it started acting up. http://www.google.com/search?source=ighl=enrlz=q=recovery+console+syste m+restoreaq=4aqi=g10oq=recovery+c . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From:

[WISPA] Looking for BW on Mt. Vaca in Vacaville

2010-02-11 Thread Jerry Richardson
Looking for 20mbps wholesale bandwidth from virtually any tower on Mt. Vaca to a colo. With or without IP. Thanks Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

2010-02-11 Thread Louis Arsenault
This has been working for us. 1) Boot off a windows xp setup cd to the recovery console 2) Change directories to the uninstall directory of update in question: At the C:\windows prompt, type CD $NtUninstallKB977165$\spuninst and press Enter. 3) Run in the uninstall script for that update: At

Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

2010-02-11 Thread Robert West
We use ERD commander to boot into the install and then can see the dump file or roll it back. ERD has been invaluable to us for years for weird things like that. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt

[WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-11 Thread Luke Pack
We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now. We are looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex system by Trango. We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the licensed path currently. I'm looking for people's real-world experience with the Trango Apex

Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-11 Thread Randy Cosby
The one I have up works fine. There are quirks in the firmware, but no show-stoppers. Inband management is still a work in progress. Don't particularly care for the fiber port cover design, but if you're using copper, it's fine (unless you use extra-large / heavy ethernet that may not fit).

Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

2010-02-11 Thread Blair Davis
Had the same problem with my windows XP64 workstation. boot rfrom cd into repair consol and roll things back a week Steve Barnes wrote: For those of you who do tech support. We have had 6 computers come in to our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or safe

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Broadband Breakfast Club video now posted

2010-02-11 Thread Rick Harnish
Brian and all, I just watched this video and would like to personally thank you for participating in this forum. I would also like to thank you for the many hours of volunteer service and paid service you have provided to the Wireless ISP industry. You were fluent in the discussion and

Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-11 Thread Brad Belton
Randy makes a couple points that I concur with. The Apex fiber weather port is for the birds (IMO), but we like that Trango opted for a SFP port rather than forcing you to choose Single-Mode or Multi-Mode at the time of order like BridgeWave does. Ethernet weather ports work OK, but again not

Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-11 Thread Steven G McGehee
I agree with Randy, definitely some quirks in the firmware, although I've been told by them that v1.23 is in the works. In terms of actual performance, assuming a solid deployment, etc., the Apexes work great. We have several DW in 11Ghz as well, which in comparison have given us zero problem.

Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-11 Thread Bob Moldashel
What is street price on the Trango licensed? Brad Belton wrote: Randy makes a couple points that I concur with. The Apex fiber weather port is for the birds (IMO), but we like that Trango opted for a SFP port rather than forcing you to choose Single-Mode or Multi-Mode at the time of order

Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-11 Thread Travis Johnson
$9,995 for 18ghz with 2ft dishes and 100Mbps key. I think upgrade to 360Mbps key is $1,000 or something like that... Travis Bob Moldashel wrote: What is street price on the Trango licensed? Brad Belton wrote: Randy makes a couple points that I concur with. The Apex fiber weather

Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-11 Thread Bob Moldashel
Tnx Travis Johnson wrote: $9,995 for 18ghz with 2ft dishes and 100Mbps key. I think upgrade to 360Mbps key is $1,000 or something like that... Travis Bob Moldashel wrote: What is street price on the Trango licensed? Brad Belton wrote: Randy makes a couple points that

Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

2010-02-11 Thread Scott Carullo
Yeah hey maybe they are going to try pulling this off in all the communities they were going to blanket with WiFi that failed... Seems that didn't go too well. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Sent:

[WISPA] OT - Email Delivery Problems Killing ME - SOS lol

2010-02-11 Thread Scott Carullo
Ok, Many of our clients we do mail for are having issues and loosing patience with their email experiences with us. The usual everything used to work fine now they can't send to lots of people. I'm getting roasted. We use Smartermail enterprise, have the latest version and most of the extras

Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

2010-02-11 Thread Travis Johnson
I can't wait until they get this installed and running... and then people get online and discover it's not any faster than their previous cable/dsl/wireless connection. My office computer sits directly on three fiber connections with 930Mbps of capacity. My home connection is a 2meg wireless.

Re: [WISPA] OT - Email Delivery Problems Killing ME - SOS lol

2010-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
First thing I would do is ask the recipient admin for a reason why it was labeled as spam. Fix that problem and move on with the next. I'd be willing to bet with just a few site removals a lot of services get restores - few big ones out there I can't remember what they're called. Have you

Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-11 Thread Luke Pack
I really appreciate the responses! We have 18 pair of the DWs and they are pretty solid for the most part for us with the exception of 6 returns (one was an immediate return of a return) thus far for failing transmitters. A couple were about 2-3 months after deployment and a few were about 1yr

Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

2010-02-11 Thread Luke Pack
I think my sweet spot for bandwidth is around 6Mbps. With that for a home there should be good browsing on multiple computers even if there is an xbox player in the house and a movie streaming on Netflix. As for google... don't forget Youtube, definitely a very popular medium for video content

Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

2010-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
Google to me is search, email, calendar, documents and collaboration. They also copy a lot of other projects like Microsoft to put themselves in the I'm doing it, too! circle. Gtalk copies MSN and AIM. Buzz copied twitter. Gmail copied (but greatly improved!) Hotmail and Yahoo Mail. Really

[WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

2010-02-11 Thread RickG
I've got a few hotspots that use Valuepoint controllers. They are a few years old so I thought I'd check on a firmware upgrade if available. Valuepoint told me I must pay for firmware upgrades for their devices if I want them. I balked but they say that this is customary for professional grade

Re: [WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

2010-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
Mikrotik doesn't really. Anything I've started at 2.8.x can go up to 3.x I think. Maybe 4.x I quit using Valuepoint because they needed rebooted. I had a bunch of NC1000s Silver Living (introduced long ago and again at AF this year) has a monthly cost, so probably not. Never had to research

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:20 -0800, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: I'm using one of the new public IPs right now, but I had to attach it to the riverstone (which holds the default gateway to our ISP). I just caught this thread. I don't know all of the details, but looking through the rest of this

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
It's a Riverstone and Mikrotik. No Cisco from what I caught. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 16:43 -0800, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: {provider} ---[ static 0.0.0.0/0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ]--- {riverstone ASBR} ---[10.0.4.1 OSPF Backbone 10.0.4.2]--- {mikrotik} --- x.x.x.x/24 public addresses Ok. What we need to know: With the public/24 on the MT inside

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 23:31 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote: It's a Riverstone and Mikrotik. No Cisco from what I caught. Yeah...I decided to go back and look in the earlier messages in the thread. I had already put my foot in my mouth...thanks for keeping me from chewing with vigor. ;-) --

Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

2010-02-11 Thread Philip Dorr
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/11/2217239/Windows-Patch-Leaves-Many-XP-Users-With-Blue-Screens On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Had the same problem with my windows XP64 workstation.  boot rfrom cd into repair consol and roll things back a week Steve

Re: [WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

2010-02-11 Thread RickG
I agree and will probably replace the valuepoints with mikrotik eventually. I did the the reboot issue with the NC1000s so I stuck to WC3000's which have worked flawlessly. I just find it hard to believe that paying for firmware upgrades is customary. So, I'm looking for examples where it is not.

Re: [WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

2010-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
Cisco charges for software. I'm guessing Juniper may. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:43 PM,

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Which Riverstone Box is it ? RS3000 or RS8000 also what is the ROS version you (Paul) are running ? If it is an OSPF issue or Routing issue... You should be able to set up the routing (static) and confirm if it is one or the other ? Are you by any chance running hrt enable command on any

Re: [WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

2010-02-11 Thread RickG
Interesting enough, I got a firmware upgrade on my last router well after it was out of warranty. But I'm looking for those that dont charge. Maybe I'm just stupid but spending additional money on electronics after the initial purchase is too expensive due to how quickly it becomes obsolete. You

Re: [WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

2010-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
That begs the question - why update the firmware on those things? Keep it in service for now. Replace it with Mikrotik as I'm sure that's cheaper then Valuepoint. I remember hearing they're well over 500 bucks!!! On 2/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting enough, I got a

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-11 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
It's an RS3000 running ROS 9.1.2.8. I did try disabling OSPF and set up static routes. The behavior was exactly the same. I had inbound connectivity, but not outbound. So our ISP is routing those IPs to our gateway, and the riverstone knows where to go with them from there - to the mikrotik.

Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-11 Thread Randy Cosby
Luke, You might also want to take a look at the SAF Teknica (sp?) 11Ghz links. I think there are a couple distributors who sell them now, including 3-db.net. They are very big in Europe and many other countries, and I believe a couple people on the list have some and are quite happy with

Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-11 Thread Josh Luthman
Tehnika. I also would have to suggest 3db. You just turn to them when you need something and you get it. On 2/12/10, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Luke, You might also want to take a look at the SAF Teknica (sp?) 11Ghz links. I think there are a couple distributors who sell them