Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

2010-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
I spoke to someone today.  I don't remember what each fee was before because 
she was rattling them off quickly.

$2000
$1500 - $2500
$600 - $2500
$500/month minimum  Annually in advance, most WISP deployments would fit 
this ticket.
10x 1 year automatic renewal
$5M liability insurance
90 - 180 days from when you say you want to be on to putting equipment up
Their approved contractors for any work.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:08 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 Has anyone gotten on a US Cellular tower?

 Doing some sample pricing for the state and the only towers I can readily 
 find in the areas are US Cellular owned and I can't seem to find where to 
 contact them about it.


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Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

2010-02-12 Thread Dennis Burgess
I have yet to find a WISP friendly cell tower company.  

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MTCTCE, MTCUME 
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

I spoke to someone today.  I don't remember what each fee was before
because 
she was rattling them off quickly.

$2000
$1500 - $2500
$600 - $2500
$500/month minimum  Annually in advance, most WISP deployments would fit

this ticket.
10x 1 year automatic renewal
$5M liability insurance
90 - 180 days from when you say you want to be on to putting equipment
up
Their approved contractors for any work.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:08 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 Has anyone gotten on a US Cellular tower?

 Doing some sample pricing for the state and the only towers I can
readily 
 find in the areas are US Cellular owned and I can't seem to find where
to 
 contact them about it.


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Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

2010-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
I have, they're just not national companies and have limited tower 
inventories.

I'm sure Frosty Towers is, Mid America Towers is, Tower Sites is.


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From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:19 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 I have yet to find a WISP friendly cell tower company.

 ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
 MTCTCE, MTCUME
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:17 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 I spoke to someone today.  I don't remember what each fee was before
 because
 she was rattling them off quickly.

 $2000
 $1500 - $2500
 $600 - $2500
 $500/month minimum  Annually in advance, most WISP deployments would fit

 this ticket.
 10x 1 year automatic renewal
 $5M liability insurance
 90 - 180 days from when you say you want to be on to putting equipment
 up
 Their approved contractors for any work.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:08 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 Has anyone gotten on a US Cellular tower?

 Doing some sample pricing for the state and the only towers I can
 readily
 find in the areas are US Cellular owned and I can't seem to find where
 to
 contact them about it.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




 
 
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[WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!

2010-02-12 Thread Gino Villarini
 

 

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From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino
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To: motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!

 

I hope you enjoy

 

Some Pre Friday Humor (kinda PG-13)

 

Hitler on Canopy OFDM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwLEwfitGkM

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!

2010-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
That is awesome.


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 g...@aeronetpr.com

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 787.273.4143

 

 From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino
 Villarini
 Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:50 PM
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 Subject: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!



 I hope you enjoy



 Some Pre Friday Humor (kinda PG-13)



 Hitler on Canopy OFDM



 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwLEwfitGkM





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Re: [WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!

2010-02-12 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Tooo funny.. Sent it to Ben at Ubnt after all he is one mentioned by name in
there.. lol

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Subject: [WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!

 

 

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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino
Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:50 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!

 

I hope you enjoy

 

Some Pre Friday Humor (kinda PG-13)

 

Hitler on Canopy OFDM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwLEwfitGkM

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

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Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

2010-02-12 Thread Blake Bowers
Makes you just love the smaller regional tower companies


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- Original Message - 
From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers


I have yet to find a WISP friendly cell tower company.

 ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
 MTCTCE, MTCUME
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:17 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 I spoke to someone today.  I don't remember what each fee was before
 because
 she was rattling them off quickly.

 $2000
 $1500 - $2500
 $600 - $2500
 $500/month minimum  Annually in advance, most WISP deployments would fit

 this ticket.
 10x 1 year automatic renewal
 $5M liability insurance
 90 - 180 days from when you say you want to be on to putting equipment
 up
 Their approved contractors for any work.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:08 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 Has anyone gotten on a US Cellular tower?

 Doing some sample pricing for the state and the only towers I can
 readily
 find in the areas are US Cellular owned and I can't seem to find where
 to
 contact them about it.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
First it needs to be determined if an all outdoor solution is needed over 
the advantages of a Split system. There are numerous third party Split 
systems just as inexpensive as all ODU units. So price should not be the 
only factor to decide all outdoor product. (For example Ligo just released 
one). In Split Archetecture, if price is not a factor, the Dragonwave still 
has an upper hand on upgradablilty IF that is neededed, meaning an Airpair 
can be upgraded to DUO or Quantum with just an indoor unit upgrade, to get 
beyond the 800mbps limit of Dual polarity available in other solutions.

The Trango Apex and Horizon Compact more or less offer the same thing as All 
ODU config, and to be honest, both Radio brands are so excellent, I cant 
pick one over the other as a preferred better product.  We use them both. My 
buying decission has been primarilly decided by best Price on a given day, 
or unique requirements of a specific job.

I personally prefer Trango for two reasons I love the intuative OS and 
easy to remember commands. Its also a way easier buying experience. 
(Everything all in one place at a good price, no confusing part numbers, 
etc).

As it turns out, I'll be putting more Dragonwaves on my network than Trango 
because there is a larger secondary market for Dragonwave (As they upgrade), 
to find deals..

So far, my Dragonwaves have shown to be solid, install and leave. Without 
checking the quick install guide, I wouldn;t even know how to configure one 
anymore, because I haven't even had to log in since the day they were 
installed.  However, that does not mean that the APEXes aren't reliable. My 
APEXes have also operated very reliably, although it took a couple Firmware 
upgrades to get there.

Antenna selection is also a relevent factor.  Both models cab use any 
antenna with a Cable adapter, but that results in loss DB and added expense, 
so we'll consider only waveguide direct antenna models in this advise.
Dragonwave has the option to use the Andrews 2.5' dish. This is relevent 
because it has the same DBi and radiating characteristics as the 3ft models, 
except that it can be shipped UPS (a big savings, not requiring freight 
shipping), Lower cost mounting because less windload and can use thinner 
pipe, and easier to fit colo where a 6 can make quite a difference.  The 
DBI of 2.5ft and 3ft dishes are often needed to get five 9 reliabilty Link 
budgets for typical link distances at full modulation, at lease it was 
relevent for our links. (For example a 10 mile 11Ghz link should ahve a 
2.5ft or 3ft dish).

IF buying 1ft, 2ft, 3ft, or 4 ft, Both Dragonwave and Trango can use the 
lower cost RadioWaves dishes, although unique proprietray versions of. 
Trango is the winner, because Trango's version Dishes are about $200 cheaper 
than Dragowave versions.

Link budget also matters, because rf power differences between Compact and 
Apex.  IF we talk 11Ghz, At low modulation (qam16) Dragonwave HP has higher 
power 25db compared to Trango's 19db or so, so gets longer links.  However, 
at High Modulation (qam256) Trango has a longer distance in link budget. The 
reason is that at higher modulation both Apex and Compact are limited to 
19dbm power, except Trango has better sensitivity, of about -65 compared to 
Compact's -60. (I dont have manual infront of me and that may not be exact, 
but its about a 4-5db difference in sensitivity).  It should also be noted 
that Compact comes in a low power and high power model. The PRice 
Comparative model to APEX is the LOW Power  version. The low power version 
can only do like 10dbm in power or so. So to get High Power it requires an 
additional $1000 upgrade for Dragonwave.

But these power levels are relevent in establishing price per link. For 
example, If you can get a way with a 2ft dish (instead of 2.5 to 3ft), the 
price drops from $1300 to $600.   $700 is a huge savings. So if a 100mb 
link, ther is a better chance you'll accomplish the Link budget with 
Compact. IF 200-400mb link there is a better chance it can be accomplsihed 
with the Apex.

It should also be known that Trango power supplies are about $200 per link, 
and Dragonwave has Install kits (w/ power supplies and POE) for $700 per 
link. So Trango has some savings their to. As well Trango's fiber option is 
less expensive.

Both Trango and Dragonwave have unique advance technical features. I dont 
need any of them, so its not a factor for me. But if you need those unique 
advanced feature, then you should study the manuals of each to determine 
which OS is best suited for you. I'm talking about meeting a specific 
standard, or a specific QOS model, or something like that.

There was one thing that got me stuck on Dragonwave, and that was how it did 
VLANs. It has something to do with how it treats VLAN1 and compared to how 
common switches and Linux Treats VLAN1.
With Trango it was trouble free and plug and play. With Dragonwave it was a 
headache, that I never solved,  and I 

Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

2010-02-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
She could have saved a lot of effort by saying  Go Away  

Can win with the big guys.  Thats why they are not always profitable.

-B-




Mike Hammett wrote:
 I spoke to someone today.  I don't remember what each fee was before because 
 she was rattling them off quickly.

 $2000
 $1500 - $2500
 $600 - $2500
 $500/month minimum  Annually in advance, most WISP deployments would fit 
 this ticket.
 10x 1 year automatic renewal
 $5M liability insurance
 90 - 180 days from when you say you want to be on to putting equipment up
 Their approved contractors for any work.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:08 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

   
 Has anyone gotten on a US Cellular tower?

 Doing some sample pricing for the state and the only towers I can readily 
 find in the areas are US Cellular owned and I can't seem to find where to 
 contact them about it.


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 Mike Hammett
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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
I second 3-db as a good supplier. The Saf Technika looked real promising.

But it should be noted that many of the third party Split Architecture 
brands are limited to less output power than both Trango Giga and Dragonwave 
HP  versions.
Many of them are sub 15dbm at full modulation, but obviously that should be 
confirmed for the manufacturer product that is being considered. That may or 
may not be relevent for the job's link budget.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-


Tehnika.  I also would have to suggest 3db.  You just turn to them
when you need something and you get it.

On 2/12/10, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote:
 Luke,

 You might also want to take a look at the SAF Teknica (sp?) 11Ghz links.
 I think there are a couple distributors who sell them now, including
 3-db.net.  They are very big in Europe and many other countries, and I
 believe a couple people on the list have some and are quite happy with
 them.  If I recall correctly, 3-db was also offering some extended
 warranties on them that were pretty crazy good.

 Ligowave has a new 11ghz unit out too, their second attempt in the
 licensed space.  They are split-units though, and I'll be waiting until
 I hear from other guinea pigs before I order one.  I was disappointed
 last time around when they didn't ship after waiting way too long.

 Randy


 On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:
 We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
 looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
 system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
 licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's real-world
 experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
 and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
 I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
 however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
 hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.

 Thanks all!



 
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Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

2010-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, it would be justifiable if was running a 4 gigabit licensed link 
through the location.  I am not, however.  ;-)


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From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:39 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 She could have saved a lot of effort by saying  Go Away

 Can win with the big guys.  Thats why they are not always profitable.

 -B-




 Mike Hammett wrote:
 I spoke to someone today.  I don't remember what each fee was before 
 because
 she was rattling them off quickly.

 $2000
 $1500 - $2500
 $600 - $2500
 $500/month minimum  Annually in advance, most WISP deployments would fit
 this ticket.
 10x 1 year automatic renewal
 $5M liability insurance
 90 - 180 days from when you say you want to be on to putting equipment up
 Their approved contractors for any work.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:08 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] US Cellular towers


 Has anyone gotten on a US Cellular tower?

 Doing some sample pricing for the state and the only towers I can 
 readily
 find in the areas are US Cellular owned and I can't seem to find where 
 to
 contact them about it.


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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

2010-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi

He said, Dragonwave did it right by having
both ports next to one another and on a plane of the unit that is free
and clear of obstruction.

Unless you are mounting to a pre-existing wall mount mast that is very short 
depth from the wall, and radio below roof line.
In that situation, Trango fit beautifully, and Dragonwave didn't.

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- Original Message - 
From: Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-


I agree with Randy, definitely some quirks in the firmware, although
 I've been told by them that v1.23 is in the works. In terms of actual
 performance, assuming a solid deployment, etc., the Apexes work great.
 We have several DW in 11Ghz as well, which in comparison have given us
 zero problem. But, the Apexes are a lot cheaper and if they didn't have
 a quirky firmware and some hardware design issues, I'd come extremely
 close to considering them as solid as a Dragonwave.

 ..and by hardware design issues, I just really disliked the placement of
 the ports. If you're running direct power or using fiber, the ports are
 a real pain to get to. They're covered up by the same grommet/weathering
 as the Atlas/T-Link45 bridges, but the spacing is /really/ tight to try
 to get anything larger than a 16 awg power cable in, much less that and
 fiber. It uses the same type of molex power-plug that the Bridgewaves
 do, but it's much harder to get plugged in. Additionally, the Data and
 Management (copper) ports are at a 90 degree angle to one another on the
 actual unit, so one faces down, and the other faces left or right,
 depending on how you have it attached to the antenna. How you rotate the
 Apex determines its polarity (like a BW, etc), but due to the hardware
 design and having a port facing left or right, this means that it's
 impossible to plug into said port when you're mounting it in such a way
 that this port faces your mast, because the weathering piece (same type
 as the DWs come with) is too large. Dragonwave did it right by having
 both ports next to one another and on a plane of the unit that is free
 and clear of obstruction.

 Hope that helps -- bottomline, these work great but they still do need
 some important firmware tweaks and can be a pain during install. If you
 can get by with that, give them a serious look. Overall, we've been
 happy with our 4 pairs.

 Thanks.


 Randy Cosby wrote:
 The one I have up works fine.  There are quirks in the firmware, but no
 show-stoppers.  Inband management is still a work in progress.  Don't
 particularly care for the fiber port cover design, but if you're using
 copper, it's fine (unless you use extra-large / heavy ethernet that may
 not fit).

 Randy


 On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:

 We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
 looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
 system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
 licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's real-world
 experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
 and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
 I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
 however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
 hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.

 Thanks all!



 
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Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

2010-02-12 Thread Chuck Hogg
The ones we work with, SBASite and City Switch, have both been fine to
work with.  A little long on the negotiation part, but that is to be
expected.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
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http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

Makes you just love the smaller regional tower companies


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers


I have yet to find a WISP friendly cell tower company.

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 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
 MTCTCE, MTCUME
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:17 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 I spoke to someone today.  I don't remember what each fee was before
 because
 she was rattling them off quickly.

 $2000
 $1500 - $2500
 $600 - $2500
 $500/month minimum  Annually in advance, most WISP deployments would
fit

 this ticket.
 10x 1 year automatic renewal
 $5M liability insurance
 90 - 180 days from when you say you want to be on to putting equipment
 up
 Their approved contractors for any work.


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 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:08 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 Has anyone gotten on a US Cellular tower?

 Doing some sample pricing for the state and the only towers I can
 readily
 find in the areas are US Cellular owned and I can't seem to find
where
 to
 contact them about it.


 -
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Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

2010-02-12 Thread Blake Bowers
I have never dealt with City Switch, but the folks at SBA, from the top on 
down
are good people.

I never mind giving them a customer that I can't serve, I know they will be 
taken
care of.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers


 The ones we work with, SBASite and City Switch, have both been fine to
 work with.  A little long on the negotiation part, but that is to be
 expected.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Blake Bowers
 Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:58 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 Makes you just love the smaller regional tower companies


 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers


I have yet to find a WISP friendly cell tower company.

 ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
 MTCTCE, MTCUME
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:17 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 I spoke to someone today.  I don't remember what each fee was before
 because
 she was rattling them off quickly.

 $2000
 $1500 - $2500
 $600 - $2500
 $500/month minimum  Annually in advance, most WISP deployments would
 fit

 this ticket.
 10x 1 year automatic renewal
 $5M liability insurance
 90 - 180 days from when you say you want to be on to putting equipment
 up
 Their approved contractors for any work.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:08 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] US Cellular towers

 Has anyone gotten on a US Cellular tower?

 Doing some sample pricing for the state and the only towers I can
 readily
 find in the areas are US Cellular owned and I can't seem to find
 where
 to
 contact them about it.


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 Mike Hammett
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Re: [WISPA] OT - Email Delivery Problems Killing ME - SOS lol

2010-02-12 Thread Frank Muto
IMO, DKIM is not worth the time or is it as widely used as SPF/Sender ID. SPF 
configuration can/may get you blocked, but not 
necessarily increase spam folder receipts. Don't count on the receiving server 
to have their SPF setup properly. Depending on 
how you create the SPF records, can defer the message for additional filtering.

Keep the SPF as short as possible, helping the large and very busy mail 
providers from spending to much time pinging DNS. Is 
your DNS service in good working order? Do all your end users always use your 
SMTP, or can they use other mail servers to 
send mail in behalf of the domain, e.g, Blackberry BIS?




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- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Email Delivery Problems Killing ME - SOS lol


First thing I would do is ask the recipient admin for a reason why it
was labeled as spam.  Fix that problem and move on with the next.

I'd be willing to bet with just a few site removals a lot of services
get restores - few big ones out there I can't remember what they're
called.

Have you watched the outgoing SMTP to make sure something isn't hijacked?

Send me a message with a new domain, IP, etc and see if it gets marked as spam.

On 2/11/10, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote:
 Ok, Many of our clients we do mail for are having issues and loosing
 patience with their email experiences with us.  The usual everything used
 to work fine now they can't send to lots of people.  I'm getting roasted.

 We use Smartermail enterprise, have the latest version and most of the
 extras you can get with it like comtouch, activesync etc...

 We have taken the following steps and still customers email gets delivered
 into spam folders of their customers which is causing headaches.

 Each has dedicated IP for their email domain
 Checked said IPs in MXtoolbox, amd many rbl blacklist checkers etc...  All
 Green/negative
 Have SPF, DKIM, Domain Keys, reverse DNS etc set for them properly

 Basically, everything I know how to do.  Still no luck, its hit or miss
 even on the same sites like gmail.  One email works, one 30 minutes later
 in spam folder, next one toss a coin...  Anyone who has any ideas,
 suggestions or can point me in the right direction would be extremely
 appreciated.  Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-12 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
Ok, I feel stupid and smart at the same time. I had it set up right the whole 
time. I don't know WHY it wasn't working on the test bench with a smaller 
router (RB450G, with the same software, on the same network), but I attached 
those public IPs to the production mikrotik router (RB1000) and it works 
perfect.

I don't know exactly what it was, but whatever was amiss is in that RB450, not 
the Riverstone.

Thanks for the responses. I'm glad it's finally working, but irritated that it 
took me this long to figure it out...

-Paul

On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Paul Gerstenberger wrote:

 It's an RS3000 running ROS 9.1.2.8.
 
 I did try disabling OSPF and set up static routes. The behavior was exactly 
 the same. I had inbound connectivity, but not outbound. So our ISP is routing 
 those IPs to our gateway, and the riverstone knows where to go with them from 
 there - to the mikrotik. But when originating from inside our network, it 
 hits the riverstone at 10.0.4.1, but goes no further.
 
 I'm not running HRT.
 
 I appreciate the assistance. I'll be back at it tomorrow morning to try out 
 any suggestions...
 
 -Paul
 
 On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 
 Which Riverstone Box is it ? RS3000 or RS8000  also what is the ROS version
 you (Paul) are running ?
 
 
 If it is an OSPF issue or Routing issue... 
 
 You should be able to set up the routing (static) and confirm if it is one
 or the other ?
 
 Are you by any chance running   hrt enable command on any of the cards ?
 (temp. comment those commands out).
 
 I have noticed that with HRT enabled, system does not take new routes into
 the RIB rightaway..
 
 
 
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 Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:39 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
 
 On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 23:31 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote: 
 It's a Riverstone and Mikrotik.  No Cisco from what I caught.
 
 Yeah...I decided to go back and look in the earlier messages in the thread.
 I had already put my foot in my mouth...thanks for keeping me from chewing
 with vigor.  ;-)
 
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-12 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 12 February 2010 17:29, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote:
 Ok, I feel stupid and smart at the same time. I had it set up right the whole 
 time. I don't know WHY it wasn't working on the test bench with a smaller 
 router (RB450G, with the same software, on the same network), but I attached 
 those public IPs to the production mikrotik router (RB1000) and it works 
 perfect.

 I don't know exactly what it was, but whatever was amiss is in that RB450, 
 not the Riverstone.

 Thanks for the responses. I'm glad it's finally working, but irritated that 
 it took me this long to figure it out...

Same RouterOS version of both MTs?



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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Was this OSPF v3?

What's new in 3.22:

*) added WinBox OSPFv3 support to routing-test package;

There are several mentions of OSPF on 3.x and two on 4.x.

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On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 12 February 2010 17:29, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote:
  Ok, I feel stupid and smart at the same time. I had it set up right the
 whole time. I don't know WHY it wasn't working on the test bench with a
 smaller router (RB450G, with the same software, on the same network), but I
 attached those public IPs to the production mikrotik router (RB1000) and it
 works perfect.
 
  I don't know exactly what it was, but whatever was amiss is in that
 RB450, not the Riverstone.
 
  Thanks for the responses. I'm glad it's finally working, but irritated
 that it took me this long to figure it out...

 Same RouterOS version of both MTs?



 
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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

2010-02-12 Thread RickG
Thats exactly what I told them!

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 That begs the question - why update the firmware on those things?
 Keep it in service for now.  Replace it with Mikrotik as I'm sure
 that's cheaper then Valuepoint.

 I remember hearing they're well over 500 bucks!!!

 On 2/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Interesting enough, I got a firmware upgrade on my last router well
 after it was out of warranty. But I'm looking for those that dont
 charge. Maybe I'm just stupid but spending additional money on
 electronics after the initial purchase is too expensive due to how
 quickly it becomes obsolete. You may as well purchase a new box.
 -RickG

 On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Cisco charges for software.

 I'm guessing Juniper may.

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 On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree and will probably replace the valuepoints with mikrotik
 eventually. I did the the reboot issue with the NC1000s so I stuck to
 WC3000's which have worked flawlessly. I just find it hard to believe
 that paying for firmware upgrades is customary. So, I'm looking for
 examples where it is not.
 Thanks! -RickG

 On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  Mikrotik doesn't really.  Anything I've started at 2.8.x can go up to
  3.x
 I
  think.  Maybe 4.x
 
  I quit using Valuepoint because they needed rebooted.  I had a bunch of
  NC1000s
 
  Silver Living (introduced long ago and again at AF this year) has a
 monthly
  cost, so probably not.
 
  Never had to research beyond Mikrotik as it works beautifully.
 
  Josh Luthman
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  On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I've got a few hotspots that use Valuepoint controllers. They are a
  few years old so I thought I'd check on a firmware upgrade if
  available. Valuepoint told me I must pay for firmware upgrades for
  their devices if I want them. I balked but they say that this is
  customary for professional grade equipment. My question is, is this
  true for hotspot controllers?
  -RickG
 
 
 
 
 
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