Re: [WISPA] Great marketing
Here's a better one... a local sign company (one that puts up big billboard signs, LED signs, does the vinyl lettering on all of our trucks for the last 10 years, etc.) has their own trucks... they have their company name "SignPro" on all of them... but that's it. No website, no phone, no address. This is a sign company. That is their business. It would be like buying Google Ad space and not have it link to your website... makes no sense at all. Travis Microserv Blake Bowers wrote: > I was out running around some new tower sites, I think I was on I70 > between Ft Riley and Topeka. > > I passed a red pickup truck, with big signs on the rear and sides, that said > "RURAL INTERNET PROVIDER". > > Thats it. > > Nothing more. > > No phone number, no name, no nothing. > > At the risk of offending someone on the list who owns that pickup, what is > the point? > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > heaven knows we need them down here! > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Great marketing
I was out running around some new tower sites, I think I was on I70 between Ft Riley and Topeka. I passed a red pickup truck, with big signs on the rear and sides, that said "RURAL INTERNET PROVIDER". Thats it. Nothing more. No phone number, no name, no nothing. At the risk of offending someone on the list who owns that pickup, what is the point? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bloomfield MO
Ok, I am embaressed, or just really tired. who was I talking to about Bloomfield MO tower site? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days the rats win
Grids are that and therefore only good for CPE installs or sites where no other units needs co located. They don't belong on a back haul because it's to important. Good panels or solid dishes should be the only antennas used for a back haul. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Mike" Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:02:03 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Some days the rats win Grids are RF sieves. They spew RF to the sides, and the back. They have a lot of forward gain, so work well in most cases. You'd be better off putting a panel, or better yet a solid dish at that site. Start with one. If it doesn't work a lot better, change the other. You can also try offsetting one of the antennas from the pole -- in front or behind the other laterally. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Some days the rats win On Thursday, I set about to fix a link that's performing badly.It was just re-pointed and working really, REALLY bad. Somewhat intermittently, but still REALLY bad.I had already tried new radios at each end.So far, no luck.I tried a new pigtail on the low end, as well, still... No luck. I replaced the whole board and radio setup at the low end, no luck. After much watching what it did and when, I came to the conclusion it was self interference. Not on the same frequency, but I noticed that way up the pole was another antenna with the same polarization and it was almost exactly the same aim and polarization - I'm thinking I'm overloading the radio with signal. So, I decided that I'd switch from Hor to Ver, on this link, figuring it would reduce the self interference. So, I went to the low end (down in the valley, 4 miles) and installed a new antenna, pointed it right, and real quick, switched the cable over to it. After a slight re-pointing, it worked fine, slightly better than the old antenna, which is an ancient Equinox.Cool. But no fix for the link's issues. So, I pulled the antenna down, switched it over to Vertical and put it back up.It was a clear, 55 degree day, sunshine.Could see perfectly. Drove to the hill site, put a mount on the pole, and installed another antenna, about 3- 4 feet below the original, other side of the telephone pole it's on, and in Vertical, as well. Doug got on one end, me on the other and synchronized over the cell phone, we switched the antenna cables over. No signal. Now, it was brilliant daylight, crystal clear air, sunshine, and we can literally SEE the building and pole from the other end. I re-aimed my end, swapped again. No signal. Doug changed the dipole at his end, to one I had JUST REMOVED from a working antenna (took the antenna apart, but the antenna had been working 3 hours before). No signal. I changed the dipole on my end.No signal. I changed the whole antenna. No signal. Doug changed dipoles yet again to a new one off the shelf. No signal. Original antennas are fine ,and the signal is around -64. I grab another grid - one I had JUST REMOVED from service (replaced it with a higher gain panel), HAND HOLD it while standing on the ladder and point it to the other end. -89 is the best we can get. So the other end is the problem, right? Check the antenna taken off the far end. Works fine. Mind you, we're 4 miles apart. We can see the other end standing on the ground. We can see it in great detail through binoculars. There are no buildings, trees, bushes, or other obstructions.The land slopes away from the hill end, and other end is 16 feet off the ground, angle uptilt is about 1 degree.There is NO possible fresnel zone encroachment at either end, even if you're standing, holding the antenna at chest height at the hillside end. So, what's wrong? I don't know, and I can't figure it out.Nobody has stuff pointed at the higher end. The other end is 270 degrees shielded by heavy trees, metal roof buildings, hills, etc, and has always showed zilch for noise, though the hillside shows some. There's nothing but sky behind the hillside site. Nothing to point to.No reason for anyone to build a high gain beam pointing its way, and certainly there's nothing for at least 9 miles aside from my own customers that could possibly be pointing that way. I have twice checked to make sure both are Vertical. They are. Each time, we put the cables back to the original antennas and the link comes up. I moved the low end accidently, and we gained slightly. But, the antennas are obvious visually aimed. And the replacement on the low end is HIGHER than the original.Almost 4 feet higher.The low end antenna is now the one I had working in Hor polarization.The upper antenna was new, and I replaced the dipo
Re: [WISPA] Some days the rats win
Grids are RF sieves. They spew RF to the sides, and the back. They have a lot of forward gain, so work well in most cases. You'd be better off putting a panel, or better yet a solid dish at that site. Start with one. If it doesn't work a lot better, change the other. You can also try offsetting one of the antennas from the pole -- in front or behind the other laterally. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Some days the rats win On Thursday, I set about to fix a link that's performing badly.It was just re-pointed and working really, REALLY bad. Somewhat intermittently, but still REALLY bad.I had already tried new radios at each end.So far, no luck.I tried a new pigtail on the low end, as well, still... No luck. I replaced the whole board and radio setup at the low end, no luck. After much watching what it did and when, I came to the conclusion it was self interference. Not on the same frequency, but I noticed that way up the pole was another antenna with the same polarization and it was almost exactly the same aim and polarization - I'm thinking I'm overloading the radio with signal. So, I decided that I'd switch from Hor to Ver, on this link, figuring it would reduce the self interference. So, I went to the low end (down in the valley, 4 miles) and installed a new antenna, pointed it right, and real quick, switched the cable over to it. After a slight re-pointing, it worked fine, slightly better than the old antenna, which is an ancient Equinox.Cool. But no fix for the link's issues. So, I pulled the antenna down, switched it over to Vertical and put it back up.It was a clear, 55 degree day, sunshine.Could see perfectly. Drove to the hill site, put a mount on the pole, and installed another antenna, about 3- 4 feet below the original, other side of the telephone pole it's on, and in Vertical, as well. Doug got on one end, me on the other and synchronized over the cell phone, we switched the antenna cables over. No signal. Now, it was brilliant daylight, crystal clear air, sunshine, and we can literally SEE the building and pole from the other end. I re-aimed my end, swapped again. No signal. Doug changed the dipole at his end, to one I had JUST REMOVED from a working antenna (took the antenna apart, but the antenna had been working 3 hours before). No signal. I changed the dipole on my end.No signal. I changed the whole antenna. No signal. Doug changed dipoles yet again to a new one off the shelf. No signal. Original antennas are fine ,and the signal is around -64. I grab another grid - one I had JUST REMOVED from service (replaced it with a higher gain panel), HAND HOLD it while standing on the ladder and point it to the other end. -89 is the best we can get. So the other end is the problem, right? Check the antenna taken off the far end. Works fine. Mind you, we're 4 miles apart. We can see the other end standing on the ground. We can see it in great detail through binoculars. There are no buildings, trees, bushes, or other obstructions.The land slopes away from the hill end, and other end is 16 feet off the ground, angle uptilt is about 1 degree.There is NO possible fresnel zone encroachment at either end, even if you're standing, holding the antenna at chest height at the hillside end. So, what's wrong? I don't know, and I can't figure it out.Nobody has stuff pointed at the higher end. The other end is 270 degrees shielded by heavy trees, metal roof buildings, hills, etc, and has always showed zilch for noise, though the hillside shows some. There's nothing but sky behind the hillside site. Nothing to point to.No reason for anyone to build a high gain beam pointing its way, and certainly there's nothing for at least 9 miles aside from my own customers that could possibly be pointing that way. I have twice checked to make sure both are Vertical. They are. Each time, we put the cables back to the original antennas and the link comes up. I moved the low end accidently, and we gained slightly. But, the antennas are obvious visually aimed. And the replacement on the low end is HIGHER than the original.Almost 4 feet higher.The low end antenna is now the one I had working in Hor polarization.The upper antenna was new, and I replaced the dipole with another new. And then I replaced the whole antenna with a used one I had just removed the day before, from a working customer's site. I've gotten the link to work reasonably well, by reducing power on the short link (far end) and reducing power on the NEAR end (other link, 2.5 X longer), and using Star-OS thresholds, so it ignores the higher level, but out of band signals it sees. So, my self interference di
Re: [WISPA] Some days the rats win
How about cables? A bad cable or pinched pig tail can cause lots of problems. It's hard for an antenna to go bad unless it was just manufactured poorly. Cables on the other hand can get moisture in them, get pinched, have a bad crimp or solder, etc. Also, changing polarization in the near field won't have much effect. If the other antenna on your tower is truly blasting that much power, a pol change won't help if it is close. Cameron > On Thursday, I set about to fix a link that's performing badly.It was > just re-pointed and working really, REALLY bad. Somewhat intermittently, > but still REALLY bad.I had already tried new radios at each end.So > far, no luck.I tried a new pigtail on the low end, as well, still... > No > luck. I replaced the whole board and radio setup at the low end, no > luck. > > After much watching what it did and when, I came to the conclusion it was > self interference. Not on the same frequency, but I noticed that way up > the pole was another antenna with the same polarization and it was almost > exactly the same aim and polarization - I'm thinking I'm overloading the > radio with signal. So, I decided that I'd switch from Hor to Ver, on > this > link, figuring it would reduce the self interference. > > So, I went to the low end (down in the valley, 4 miles) and installed a > new > antenna, pointed it right, and real quick, switched the cable over to it. > After a slight re-pointing, it worked fine, slightly better than the old > antenna, which is an ancient Equinox.Cool. But no fix for the link's > issues. So, I pulled the antenna down, switched it over to Vertical and > put it back up.It was a clear, 55 degree day, sunshine.Could see > perfectly. > > Drove to the hill site, put a mount on the pole, and installed another > antenna, about 3- 4 feet below the original, other side of the telephone > pole it's on, and in Vertical, as well. > > Doug got on one end, me on the other and synchronized over the cell phone, > we switched the antenna cables over. > > No signal. > > Now, it was brilliant daylight, crystal clear air, sunshine, and we can > literally SEE the building and pole from the other end. I re-aimed my > end, > swapped again. No signal. > > Doug changed the dipole at his end, to one I had JUST REMOVED from a > working > antenna (took the antenna apart, but the antenna had been working 3 hours > before). No signal. > > I changed the dipole on my end.No signal. > > I changed the whole antenna. No signal. > > Doug changed dipoles yet again to a new one off the shelf. No signal. > > Original antennas are fine ,and the signal is around -64. I grab another > grid - one I had JUST REMOVED from service (replaced it with a higher gain > panel), HAND HOLD it while standing on the ladder and point it to the > other > end. -89 is the best we can get. So the other end is the problem, > right? > > Check the antenna taken off the far end. Works fine. > > Mind you, we're 4 miles apart. We can see the other end standing on the > ground. We can see it in great detail through binoculars. There are > no > buildings, trees, bushes, or other obstructions.The land slopes away > from the hill end, and other end is 16 feet off the ground, angle uptilt > is > about 1 degree.There is NO possible fresnel zone encroachment at > either > end, even if you're standing, holding the antenna at chest height at the > hillside end. > > So, what's wrong? I don't know, and I can't figure it out.Nobody has > stuff pointed at the higher end. The other end is 270 degrees shielded > by > heavy trees, metal roof buildings, hills, etc, and has always showed zilch > for noise, though the hillside shows some. There's nothing but sky > behind the hillside site. Nothing to point to.No reason for anyone > to > build a high gain beam pointing its way, and certainly there's nothing for > at least 9 miles aside from my own customers that could possibly be > pointing > that way. I have twice checked to make sure both are Vertical. They > are. > > Each time, we put the cables back to the original antennas and the link > comes up. I moved the low end accidently, and we gained slightly. But, > the antennas are obvious visually aimed. And the replacement on the low > end is HIGHER than the original.Almost 4 feet higher.The low end > antenna is now the one I had working in Hor polarization.The upper > antenna was new, and I replaced the dipole with another new. And then > I > replaced the whole antenna with a used one I had just removed the day > before, from a working customer's site. > > I've gotten the link to work reasonably well, by reducing power on the > short > link (far end) and reducing power on the NEAR end (other link, 2.5 X > longer), and using Star-OS thresholds, so it ignores the higher level, but > out of band signals it sees. So, my self interference diagnosis is > pretty > much correct.
Re: [WISPA] Buying co-op
There is a co-op which exists here in the DFW area among several wisps. The marketing name is Cirra Networks and they operate the coop side under Wispops.com. Officially we are members, but don't participate in the buying because we buy enough volume on our own to get preferred pricing from our vendors. They seem to do a pretty good job with what they are doing, and it isn't just buying. They offer other service like shared call center, common marketing, etc. The website for wispops isn't much, but if you contact them, they can describe a lot more about what they do. I'm sure they wouldn't mind a few other members. Cameron > It's been a very active topic recently on the WISPA member list. > > Chuck > > On Feb 27, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > >> I'm sure this has been brought up or may already be one, but has >> anyone thought of starting a buying co-op between several wisps to >> pool the buying power and get bulk rates. I run into businesses all >> the time that participate in things like this to be able to buy like >> the big guys. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > Chuck Bartosch > Clarity Connect, Inc. > 200 Pleasant Grove Road > Ithaca, NY 14850 > (607) 257-8268 > > "When the stars threw down their spears, > and water'd heaven with their tears, > Did He smile, His work to see? > Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" > >>From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days the rats win
Mark, Did you try switching frequencies? -RickG On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 1:45 PM, MDK wrote: > On Thursday, I set about to fix a link that's performing badly. It was > just re-pointed and working really, REALLY bad. Somewhat intermittently, > but still REALLY bad. I had already tried new radios at each end. So > far, no luck. I tried a new pigtail on the low end, as well, still... No > luck. I replaced the whole board and radio setup at the low end, no luck. > > After much watching what it did and when, I came to the conclusion it was > self interference. Not on the same frequency, but I noticed that way up > the pole was another antenna with the same polarization and it was almost > exactly the same aim and polarization - I'm thinking I'm overloading the > radio with signal. So, I decided that I'd switch from Hor to Ver, on this > link, figuring it would reduce the self interference. > > So, I went to the low end (down in the valley, 4 miles) and installed a new > antenna, pointed it right, and real quick, switched the cable over to it. > After a slight re-pointing, it worked fine, slightly better than the old > antenna, which is an ancient Equinox. Cool. But no fix for the link's > issues. So, I pulled the antenna down, switched it over to Vertical and > put it back up. It was a clear, 55 degree day, sunshine. Could see > perfectly. > > Drove to the hill site, put a mount on the pole, and installed another > antenna, about 3- 4 feet below the original, other side of the telephone > pole it's on, and in Vertical, as well. > > Doug got on one end, me on the other and synchronized over the cell phone, > we switched the antenna cables over. > > No signal. > > Now, it was brilliant daylight, crystal clear air, sunshine, and we can > literally SEE the building and pole from the other end. I re-aimed my end, > swapped again. No signal. > > Doug changed the dipole at his end, to one I had JUST REMOVED from a working > antenna (took the antenna apart, but the antenna had been working 3 hours > before). No signal. > > I changed the dipole on my end. No signal. > > I changed the whole antenna. No signal. > > Doug changed dipoles yet again to a new one off the shelf. No signal. > > Original antennas are fine ,and the signal is around -64. I grab another > grid - one I had JUST REMOVED from service (replaced it with a higher gain > panel), HAND HOLD it while standing on the ladder and point it to the other > end. -89 is the best we can get. So the other end is the problem, right? > > Check the antenna taken off the far end. Works fine. > > Mind you, we're 4 miles apart. We can see the other end standing on the > ground. We can see it in great detail through binoculars. There are no > buildings, trees, bushes, or other obstructions. The land slopes away > from the hill end, and other end is 16 feet off the ground, angle uptilt is > about 1 degree. There is NO possible fresnel zone encroachment at either > end, even if you're standing, holding the antenna at chest height at the > hillside end. > > So, what's wrong? I don't know, and I can't figure it out. Nobody has > stuff pointed at the higher end. The other end is 270 degrees shielded by > heavy trees, metal roof buildings, hills, etc, and has always showed zilch > for noise, though the hillside shows some. There's nothing but sky > behind the hillside site. Nothing to point to. No reason for anyone to > build a high gain beam pointing its way, and certainly there's nothing for > at least 9 miles aside from my own customers that could possibly be pointing > that way. I have twice checked to make sure both are Vertical. They are. > > Each time, we put the cables back to the original antennas and the link > comes up. I moved the low end accidently, and we gained slightly. But, > the antennas are obvious visually aimed. And the replacement on the low > end is HIGHER than the original. Almost 4 feet higher. The low end > antenna is now the one I had working in Hor polarization. The upper > antenna was new, and I replaced the dipole with another new. And then I > replaced the whole antenna with a used one I had just removed the day > before, from a working customer's site. > > I've gotten the link to work reasonably well, by reducing power on the short > link (far end) and reducing power on the NEAR end (other link, 2.5 X > longer), and using Star-OS thresholds, so it ignores the higher level, but > out of band signals it sees. So, my self interference diagnosis is pretty > much correct. > > So, which one is bad? Yes, I lowered the hillside end, but it's 8 feet > up, and the ground slopes downward starting at the pole. There's no chance > we're even within 2X the fresnel zone to the ground, which is dirt and a > little wheat stubble. The handheld one didn't work lower or higher, so I > doubt it's a height issue. Tilt has been checked and re-checked, a
Re: [WISPA] Buying co-op
It's been a very active topic recently on the WISPA member list. Chuck On Feb 27, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > I'm sure this has been brought up or may already be one, but has > anyone thought of starting a buying co-op between several wisps to > pool the buying power and get bulk rates. I run into businesses all > the time that participate in things like this to be able to buy like > the big guys. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" >From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Buying co-op
I'm sure this has been brought up or may already be one, but has anyone thought of starting a buying co-op between several wisps to pool the buying power and get bulk rates. I run into businesses all the time that participate in things like this to be able to buy like the big guys. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tsunami
Our prayers are with our wireless brethern in Hawaii where the tsunami is supposed to hit in 30 minutes. The Pacific Tsunami Center is estimating waves up to 7.7 feet, we hope that's not true, in my many trips there I know that would be disastrous, especially in my little corner of heaven - Kauai. Whether it's 30 minutes Pacific or 2:30 hours Hawaiian time is not known but I do know that every single web cam in Hawaii currently had max viewers and I can't get a peak. Good luck to you all in such a beautiful land! Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Taking a New Direction, Searching for New Opportunities
Wow, Rick, that's a grand adventure you're starting out on.It takes no small amount of guts to quit the certain and leap for the completely unknown, especially in our ailing economy. Hope the best for you, and that it all works out. -- From: "Rick Harnish" Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 4:37 AM To: ; "'WISPA General List'" ; ; Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Taking a New Direction,Searching for New Opportunities > I would like to thank EVERYONE that has expressed their support and best > wishes for Sandi and I. It is very touching to see and feel this response > from my colleagues in WISPA. I have received numerous inquiries already > and > I will hopefully follow up on all of the new opportunities in the next > week. > > > God Bless you all, > Rick > >> -Original Message- >> From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Butch Evans >> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:39 PM >> To: memb...@wispa.org >> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Taking a New Direction, Searching for New >> Opportunities >> >> On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 13:09 -0500, Rick Harnish wrote: >> > As of Tuesday afternoon, February 23rd, 2010, I have reached an >> > agreement to terminate my employment contract with Great American >> > Broadband. Great American Broadband purchased my company in July, >> > 2008. Unfortunately, continued differences of opinions between >> > corporate and myself have led to much dissatisfaction for both >> > parties. >> >> Well, Rick, I truly wish you the best in all that you do. I understand >> the difficulty in living within a corporate environment after living as >> an entrepreneur for as long as you have. >> >> > One thought I have considered is making a proposal to the WISPA Board >> > to become the Executive Director for WISPA. I do many of those >> > functions already and enjoy working with the industry members. >> >> I can't speak for anyone else, but I have long thought that IF WISPA >> were to go this route, that you'd be the man for the job. >> >> > >> -- >> >> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >> * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * >> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >> >> >> ___ >> >> WISPA Membership Mailing List >> >> --- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2710 - Release Date: >> 02/25/10 19:57:00 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Some days the rats win
On Thursday, I set about to fix a link that's performing badly.It was just re-pointed and working really, REALLY bad. Somewhat intermittently, but still REALLY bad.I had already tried new radios at each end.So far, no luck.I tried a new pigtail on the low end, as well, still... No luck. I replaced the whole board and radio setup at the low end, no luck. After much watching what it did and when, I came to the conclusion it was self interference. Not on the same frequency, but I noticed that way up the pole was another antenna with the same polarization and it was almost exactly the same aim and polarization - I'm thinking I'm overloading the radio with signal. So, I decided that I'd switch from Hor to Ver, on this link, figuring it would reduce the self interference. So, I went to the low end (down in the valley, 4 miles) and installed a new antenna, pointed it right, and real quick, switched the cable over to it. After a slight re-pointing, it worked fine, slightly better than the old antenna, which is an ancient Equinox.Cool. But no fix for the link's issues. So, I pulled the antenna down, switched it over to Vertical and put it back up.It was a clear, 55 degree day, sunshine.Could see perfectly. Drove to the hill site, put a mount on the pole, and installed another antenna, about 3- 4 feet below the original, other side of the telephone pole it's on, and in Vertical, as well. Doug got on one end, me on the other and synchronized over the cell phone, we switched the antenna cables over. No signal. Now, it was brilliant daylight, crystal clear air, sunshine, and we can literally SEE the building and pole from the other end. I re-aimed my end, swapped again. No signal. Doug changed the dipole at his end, to one I had JUST REMOVED from a working antenna (took the antenna apart, but the antenna had been working 3 hours before). No signal. I changed the dipole on my end.No signal. I changed the whole antenna. No signal. Doug changed dipoles yet again to a new one off the shelf. No signal. Original antennas are fine ,and the signal is around -64. I grab another grid - one I had JUST REMOVED from service (replaced it with a higher gain panel), HAND HOLD it while standing on the ladder and point it to the other end. -89 is the best we can get. So the other end is the problem, right? Check the antenna taken off the far end. Works fine. Mind you, we're 4 miles apart. We can see the other end standing on the ground. We can see it in great detail through binoculars. There are no buildings, trees, bushes, or other obstructions.The land slopes away from the hill end, and other end is 16 feet off the ground, angle uptilt is about 1 degree.There is NO possible fresnel zone encroachment at either end, even if you're standing, holding the antenna at chest height at the hillside end. So, what's wrong? I don't know, and I can't figure it out.Nobody has stuff pointed at the higher end. The other end is 270 degrees shielded by heavy trees, metal roof buildings, hills, etc, and has always showed zilch for noise, though the hillside shows some. There's nothing but sky behind the hillside site. Nothing to point to.No reason for anyone to build a high gain beam pointing its way, and certainly there's nothing for at least 9 miles aside from my own customers that could possibly be pointing that way. I have twice checked to make sure both are Vertical. They are. Each time, we put the cables back to the original antennas and the link comes up. I moved the low end accidently, and we gained slightly. But, the antennas are obvious visually aimed. And the replacement on the low end is HIGHER than the original.Almost 4 feet higher.The low end antenna is now the one I had working in Hor polarization.The upper antenna was new, and I replaced the dipole with another new. And then I replaced the whole antenna with a used one I had just removed the day before, from a working customer's site. I've gotten the link to work reasonably well, by reducing power on the short link (far end) and reducing power on the NEAR end (other link, 2.5 X longer), and using Star-OS thresholds, so it ignores the higher level, but out of band signals it sees. So, my self interference diagnosis is pretty much correct. So, which one is bad?Yes, I lowered the hillside end, but it's 8 feet up, and the ground slopes downward starting at the pole. There's no chance we're even within 2X the fresnel zone to the ground, which is dirt and a little wheat stubble. The handheld one didn't work lower or higher, so I doubt it's a height issue. Tilt has been checked and re-checked, and is NOT off any significant amount. I've been trampled by the rats and I can't get up... HELP! WISPA Wants Y
Re: [WISPA] Outage
HA! I like it! You're a thinkin'. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outage -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert West wrote: > As a side note about all those twitter people, they should check out > http://pleaserobme.com/ Heh... http://twitter.com/charlesnw/status/9481368790 :) Seriously though, twitter has an immense amount of practical uses. search.twitter.com and save results as an RSS feed is what I use the most. Now Foursquare on the other hand > > Tracks twitter users who post their comings and goings. I tweet a lot, and I will often post when I'm going out. However that doesn't mean the house isn't secure in other fashions. No need to "case > the joint" as twitterers post where they are at all times leaving ample > warning of them coming home so that you can rob their homes. > > Nice lesson to teach some people. > > Bob- In the coming months and years, folks who refuse to embrace the two way web will be left behind. It's taking the world by storm and enabling all sorts of new opportunities. Now with that comes some risks and those need to be mitigated. It's just like mounting access points on towers. You get substantial advantages, along with a fair amount of risk. - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer char...@knownelement.com (818)280-7059 http://www.knownelement.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuHOKAACgkQJmrRtQ6zKE9/mgCgyoZfFc1G2Cg9ZCWdL68gx2m9 ntIAn0HntKpBYDeBAwhxCImgoQZbEcxS =c3r2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Taking a New Direction, Searching for New Opportunities
I would like to thank EVERYONE that has expressed their support and best wishes for Sandi and I. It is very touching to see and feel this response from my colleagues in WISPA. I have received numerous inquiries already and I will hopefully follow up on all of the new opportunities in the next week. God Bless you all, Rick > -Original Message- > From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Butch Evans > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:39 PM > To: memb...@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Taking a New Direction, Searching for New > Opportunities > > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 13:09 -0500, Rick Harnish wrote: > > As of Tuesday afternoon, February 23rd, 2010, I have reached an > > agreement to terminate my employment contract with Great American > > Broadband. Great American Broadband purchased my company in July, > > 2008. Unfortunately, continued differences of opinions between > > corporate and myself have led to much dissatisfaction for both > > parties. > > Well, Rick, I truly wish you the best in all that you do. I understand > the difficulty in living within a corporate environment after living as > an entrepreneur for as long as you have. > > > One thought I have considered is making a proposal to the WISPA Board > > to become the Executive Director for WISPA. I do many of those > > functions already and enjoy working with the industry members. > > I can't speak for anyone else, but I have long thought that IF WISPA > were to go this route, that you'd be the man for the job. > > > > -- > > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * > * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > ___ > > WISPA Membership Mailing List > > --- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2710 - Release Date: > 02/25/10 19:57:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
