Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Jon Auer
Oh, I'm still a believer in Cisco for the edge :-) Although I'm looking at Juniper for the next upgrade. MX80s or MX240s if the MX80 isn't out by then. The problem I have is we are upgrading a couple of backhaul rings to licensed links and I'm supposed to make sure they can pass 200Mbps of traffic

[WISPA] UBNT 2.4ghz

2010-03-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Has anyone tested the new Ubiquiti 2.4ghz MIMO stuff? I am specifically interested in the NLOS capabilities of this product. Or, has anyone tested the Ubiquiti 5ghz MIMO stuff in ptmp compared with Canopy for NLOS? I'm just curious how much the OFDM and MIMO helps with NLOS (trees). Travi

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Personally, I would be looking at an Intel Core2Duo or higher system. There are many for sale on ebay in 1u cases. Something like item #170451664096 would be perfect... I'm sure there are many other choices on ebay, this was just the first one that came up. Travis Jon Auer wrote: > Just saw T

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Travis Johnson
It's hard to beat the price on an OC-12 card for a Cisco 12008 when you can get them for $300 now. :) Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: > ImageStream or Cisco would probably be best. ImageStream if it's Ethernet, > Cisco if it's a card that isn't support (note there is an OC12 card now, > Tr

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Josh Luthman
ImageStream or Cisco would probably be best. ImageStream if it's Ethernet, Cisco if it's a card that isn't support (note there is an OC12 card now, Travis). Realtek and Linux typically go together like fire and water. Having said that, I believe the rb44 (non gigabit) is Realtek. The admin stat

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Jon Auer
Just saw Travis's mention of this board on the Mikrotik list. Man. lots of action on this general topic all over the place. What would you recommend for handling say, 200Mbps of VPLS and general packet bashing (iBGP+OSPF). Connection tracking turned off and only host-protection ACLs? On Sun, Mar

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
The RB1000 I have bounces around CPU usage between 3-15%. Most of the time it is below 10%. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis

Re: [WISPA] Do yourself a favor

2010-03-07 Thread Forbes Mercy
Printed it, now use it... Thanks Forbes On 3/5/2010 8:46 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > funny > http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10751801/Vehicle-Weekly-Safety-Checklist-Form-8%28a%29 > > > _ > Glenn Kelley | Principle | Hos

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Jon Auer
Would that be the SYS-5015A-H 1U? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262&cm_re=supermicro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product It has Realtek GigE onboard. Anyone have experiences with that brand of ethernet chipset under RouterOS? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Gino Villarini

Re: [WISPA] USF Changes

2010-03-07 Thread Glenn Kelley
are we not paying for telecom? if not hang up those phones folks ;-) Let me ask 1 simple question. WHAT CAN THIS GOVERNMENT GIVE YOU THAT IT HAS NOT FIRST TAKEN AWAY / _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www

Re: [WISPA] USF Changes

2010-03-07 Thread Frank Crawford
Nice call RickG RickG wrote: > I repeat, thats still a tax. > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Brian Webster > wrote: > >> But USF comes from the ratepayers of the telecom services, not tax dollars. >> >> >> >> Brian >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mai

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread charles
That's not bad at all. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Eric Rogers" Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calcu

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz sectors

2010-03-07 Thread Jason Bailey
your cpe may look like a dish 500 with the 45 degree "skew" but,hey...if it works?who cares --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Jeremie Chism wrote: From: Jeremie Chism Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz sectors To: "WISPA General List" Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 7:57 PM Only thing I would be worried about is

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz sectors

2010-03-07 Thread Jason Bailey
from my experience the x means x-pol or 45 degree pol ,likely designed for iden 900? --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Jeremie Chism wrote: From: Jeremie Chism Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz sectors To: "WISPA General List" Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 7:57 PM Only thing I would be worried about is pic

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz sectors

2010-03-07 Thread Jeremie Chism
Only thing I would be worried about is picking up interference in the 800 MHz range. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2010, at 6:43 PM, RickG wrote: > Label says 870MHz - 960 MHz, 90 degree, V-Pol. Part#DB844H90E-X. Cant > find documents for the -X but -XY is attached. So, will they work with >

Re: [WISPA] USF Changes

2010-03-07 Thread RickG
I repeat, thats still a tax. On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Brian Webster wrote: > But USF comes from the ratepayers of the telecom services, not tax dollars. > > > > Brian > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on > Behalf Of RickG

Re: [WISPA] USF Changes

2010-03-07 Thread RickG
Chuck, thats still a tax. On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: > > On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:50 PM, RickG wrote: > >> As a WISP, I resent the idea that my tax dollars may be used to compete with >> me. >> As a taxpayer, at what point will the government realize we cant >> afford all

Re: [WISPA] logmein.com - hamachi

2010-03-07 Thread RickG
I do the same which is why this came up - I saw it in the logs and my curiosity got the best of me :) On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Admin wrote: > We implemented policyd on our mail server and for most customers to use it > ( If they have a good reason we let them go around it) By doing this we

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Yes that too. Or be able to run Torch and see what's going on, etc. We once had a DDOS attack on our main router (that was running at 20% CPU). When the attack hit, the box was at 100% CPU and we couldn't even get logged in to see what was going on to block it. After the fact, we looked at

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm assuming so if shit hits the fan, you still have room to mitigate the damages? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Travis Johnson" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 11:52 AM To: "WISPA General List"

Re: [WISPA] USF Changes

2010-03-07 Thread Philip Dorr
My brother got on my email! I need to log out/lock the computer when I step away. On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > Philip, > > I don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic with your comment to > "vote them out of life" but IMO your comment is both ridiculous and > irres

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Latency is king. We do everything we can in our network to optimize latency. A router running at 50% CPU has a much higher chance of having to delay a packet than a router running at 10%. You also don't have any headroom if a large spike in traffic comes through and you are already running

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Scott Reed
Why less than 10%? As long as peak is <75% or so you generally won't get significant improvement in performance as the processor is not always busy. Certainly anything less than 50% means it is waiting for data more than it is processing it. Travis Johnson wrote: > What is the CPU running at?

Re: [WISPA] USF Changes

2010-03-07 Thread Jack Unger
Philip, I don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic with your comment to "vote them out of life" but IMO your comment is both ridiculous and irresponsible. I ask that you try to contribute in a more responsible fashion to this list. jack Philip Dorr wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Josh Luthman
The pinout is easily available online. Very easy. It's used so often and cussed at so much for being non-rs232 On 3/7/10, Gino Villarini wrote: > If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom > dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range > > It h

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Travis Johnson
What is the CPU running at? The one RB1000 we have in production is moving 50Mbps with about 10 rules and 5 queues, and the CPU is at 30%. That's just too high for me, we have it scheduled to be replaced this summer. I like CPU numbers to be below 20% (ideally below 10%). :) Travis Microserv

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Gino Villarini
If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- Fr

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Scottie Arnett
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "Eric Roge

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Brad Belton
We have sites with the APC smart slots where we have the room for a larger UPS. We include a basic APC 500 UPS or larger with every circuit we install. Our MRR "entry point" for a single tenant location is $329.95 a month. It's nice to know when a client site loses power, so that when we do ge

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Scott Piehn
you can get rid of the hard drive with a flash IDE form Eje http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=DOM-128&eq=&Tp= No moving parts Scott Piehn - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday,

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I monitor my APC ups with a Smart Slot Card. Don't know why anyone would ever use USB, there's so much more you can do with the smart slot. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I am running a RB1000 at the NOC with 400 simple queues, couple dozen firewall and mangle rules and about 50 routes. Always has at least 10mbps traffic flowing through it and I love it. I had a RB333 before and it couldn't handle during peak times. However the RB1000 isn't even breaking a sweat. K

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Brad Belton
Philip - Josh, Yah, we tried that before and weren’t able to get it to work or work consistently. That was v2.x...haven't tried a UPS using the serial port with v3.x. When a RouterBoard or x86 based MikroTik has a USB port it always seems to work well with the APC brand UPS. APC provides a

Re: [WISPA] logmein.com - hamachi

2010-03-07 Thread Admin
We implemented policyd on our mail server and for most customers to use it ( If they have a good reason we let them go around it) By doing this we no longer have to sweat that one of our customers got a virus and is spamming the world giving our ip addresses a bad name. Customers are automatica