Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread ralphlists
Not exactly correct. You do not want to run under the ISP service! It does not allow data. It is for devices that do things with RF energy- not ones that communicate There is a good old example of a wireless integrator who was using illegal 1 watt amps on Cisco 340 access points to distribute

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Gino Villarini
900 and 2.4 are ISM Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 26, 2010, at 2:30 AM, ralphlists ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: Not exactly correct. You do not want to run under the ISP service! It does not allow data. It is for devices that do things with RF energy- not ones that communicate

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Philip Dorr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISM_band In the United States of America, ISM uses of the ISM bands are governed by Part 18 of the FCC rules, while Part 15 Subpart B contains the rules for unlicensed communication devices, even those that use the ISM frequencies. Part 18 ISM rules prohibit using ISM

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread ralphlists
Obviously I typo'd ISP rather than ISM. And Phil came up with the rule part (18) that I was trying to remember last night. Stay away from ISM (as a service) unless you want hefty fines. Remember that although some call the original Part 15 wireless spectrum The ISM Band, we are not ISM users!

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Correct my if I'm wrong but don't HAMS have use of the lower portion of the 2.4ghz band??? And if so they are not subject to the EIRP limits and equipment certification that we are, so in theory a HAM could put up a 1000 watt transmitter and un-intentionally cause us interference and there is

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 4/27/2010 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Correct my if I'm wrong but don't HAMS have use of the lower portion of the 2.4ghz band??? And if so they are not subject to the EIRP limits and equipment certification that we are, so in theory a HAM could put up a 1000 watt transmitter and

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 4/26/2010 9:29 AM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 4/27/2010 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Correct my if I'm wrong but don't HAMS have use of the lower portion of the 2.4ghz band??? And if so they are not subject to the EIRP limits and equipment certification that we are, so in theory a HAM

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Thanks for the clarification. When you say does not allow data, do you mean spread spectrum communications? For example, isn't the little slice of unlicensed spectrum at 49 MHz an ISM band? There are plenty of devices that use that for non spread spectrum data transmission. Or is this another

[WISPA] 45g tower wind load specs

2010-04-26 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I'm having a terrible time finding what kind of wind load my 170ft tower will take. Anyone have a spec sheet to forward me? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Philip Dorr
HAMs have a secondary license (Lower than Licensed, but higher than unlicensed). HAMs can use 2390MHz-2450MHz and put out a max EIRP of 1.5kW, but in that RF range (2.4GHz) that is called a microwave oven. HAMs can also use 5650MHz-5925MHz. http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Hambands_color.pdf On

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Philip Dorr
49MHz is not an ISM frequency http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.PDF On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote: Thanks for the clarification. When you say does not allow data, do you mean spread spectrum communications? For example, isn't

[WISPA] Lists

2010-04-26 Thread Steven G McGehee
I was curious to what other e-mail lists that people on WISPA follow related to the industry? Off hand, I know of / use WISPA and TowerTalk. What are some of your other favorites, including vendor specific ones? Thank you in advance.

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 4/26/2010 10:06 AM, Philip Dorr wrote: HAMs have a secondary license (Lower than Licensed, but higher than unlicensed). HAMs can use 2390MHz-2450MHz and put out a max EIRP of 1.5kW, but in that RF range (2.4GHz) that is called a microwave oven. HAMs can also use 5650MHz-5925MHz.

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've never heard of anyone actually getting hit like that. I know far more that work the system. My neighbor asked if she could put me down as someone she applied with. She wanted to say that she asked me every week. Pissed me off. She works at a school district. She KNEW she'd be laid off

Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout

2010-04-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
yeah. I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that could help with a business grade dsl line the other day. The first company that I called (the support line that showed on the internet) said that they (CenturyLink) didn't have any record of the account. They

Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout

2010-04-26 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That was exactly my thoughts, right after a mild panic attack (Qwest copper is part of my upstream). Now I have a little more incentive to get that relay to the Verizon/Charter side of the mountain (as evil as Big Red is, they are better!) On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafer

Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods

2010-04-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We only keep notes on things like mean dogs etc. It's easy to add significantly to the time needed by trying to keep track of every little detail. We're not the government. The next guy will figure out soon enough that he's got to sign in to get admittance. I don't hire idiots. grin marlon

Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout

2010-04-26 Thread Jeremie Chism
Typical. It's been that way for years. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: yeah. I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that could help with a business grade dsl line the other day. The first

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

2010-04-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
A have to say, some pf those past comments are a bit unfair, and not relevent to the question asked. Maybe because Patrick is now at Aperto, and not here to defend Alvarion? :-) We dont deploy Alvarion, but we have used it in some cases. It simply is not cost justified for us, since how we

[WISPA] Freshbooks

2010-04-26 Thread Dylan Bouterse
For those of you on the Mikrotik list I apologize for the dup post but I only got one response from that inquiry. Are any of you using Freshbooks for billing services? For those who are using it, what has your experience been? Have you had any support issues and what has their support response

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

2010-04-26 Thread Cameron Kilton
Having been a VL user since 2003, I can say it performs well in noisy enviorments with nothing more than 90 degree sectors, noisy areas with 120's, not so much. It performs amazing in rural applications with little noise. Also to repeat what Tom said, they are extremely clean and efficient

Re: [WISPA] 45g tower wind load specs

2010-04-26 Thread Cameron Kilton
What size guy wire did you use and how far away are the anchors? Thanks, Cameron Kilton Project Manager Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com c...@midcoast.com (207) 594-8277 x 108 On 4/26/2010 10:04 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'm having a terrible time finding what kind of

Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout

2010-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
If anyone has multiple PSTN lines at multiple addresses read this! I had a customer with two PSTN lines at two addresses - one was a gas station, the other an office. After the merger/buyout/whatever they split the bills and left the office one on autopay but the other line was left there to

Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout

2010-04-26 Thread Ryan Ghering
CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL through them, let me tell you its a nightmare. Takes a few months to get new customers on the billing worksheet, and even longer to get them off, its a daily fight to get credits for over billing, AND our per customer bill rate

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
3' and a metal enclosure. grin - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere? Wow, So my question would be, what sort

Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout

2010-04-26 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Thats what I want to hear, I have a number of DSL lines from Qwest as well. More relays STAT!! Time to really push up that airmax deployment. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL through

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Tom Sharples
For those WISPs who are licensed hams, that certainly suggests a unique way to get rid of your competitors who aren't :-) Tom S. WA6HAS - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs

Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout

2010-04-26 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Doh, missing word, 'Thats not what I want' On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Thats what I want to hear, I have a number of DSL lines from Qwest as well. More relays STAT!! Time to really push up that airmax deployment. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:31

Re: [WISPA] 45g tower wind load specs

2010-04-26 Thread Chuck Hogg
http://www.rohnnet.com/rohn-45g-tower Has all the info you need, if you built it to spec. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

2010-04-26 Thread jp
We've been using VL since it came out. I would also recommend the 5.5.26 firmware for vl 5.8ghz. We routinely install it on overlapping or adjacent channels on the same tower. (I.e. 5830 for a backhaul, 5820 for a sector 40 feet away). If you have revA gear, change it to rev C or better and

[WISPA] Nanobridge M

2010-04-26 Thread Jeremie Chism
I am new to ubnt equipment so I have some reservations. I have a large customer that I was considering making a point to point using the nanobridge M units. I am concerned with the quality of this unit. Anyone use this unit? Sent from my iPhone

Re: [WISPA] Nanobridge M

2010-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
I have nothing but good things to say about the nanoSTATION but I've not used any other full unit from Ubnt. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” ---

Re: [WISPA] Nanobridge M

2010-04-26 Thread Jeremie Chism
In the radio design, I was concerned with water entering through the plastic case into the Ethernet port. This is a 500/month customer so maybe I shouldn't be looking at 160.00 link for something like this. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Nanobridge M

2010-04-26 Thread Robert West
If they're made like the AirGrid feeds, the Airgrids are sealed with silicone. Lesson learned from the water loving Bullets. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:24 PM

Re: [WISPA] Nanobridge M

2010-04-26 Thread Nick Olsen
We have a few of them out and about, So far no problems with them. Had hard rain last night too, no nanobridges down. Every one we have put up has done 20+Mb/s in 10mhz of space. So we like it. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106

Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods

2010-04-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
I have not read this full thread to know if I'm repeating what others have said but here is my take. Probably the best advise I can give anyone on anything is to take and record excellent documentation on everything from day one, befor it skyrockets out of hand. First, it is the number one

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

2010-04-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've had VL for a number of years now. Only 7 subs or so on it. Over all I'd say the product is great. Except for one thing. At random times, usually 8am monday morn but others as well, it'll just quit passing traffic. I have 2 ap's at the same tower and they'll both go down at the same

Re: [WISPA] Freshbooks

2010-04-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I get invoices from them via Butch. No problems with them as a customer... marlon - Original Message - From: Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] Freshbooks For those of you on the

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

2010-04-26 Thread Charles Wu
So what sort of pps ratio are you getting on VL? Are you selling voice over multipoint? How many *lines* are you putting out on a CPE and supporting reliably -- 5? 10? 20? Also, could you send me that 500+ page pdf? Can't seem to find it anywhere on Alvarion's site -Charles -Original

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Jack Unger
Yes; a very dirty and disreputable way. Any ham who tries this should remember that "What goes around comes around". jack K6XS Tom Sharples wrote: For those WISPs who are licensed hams, that certainly suggests a unique way to get rid of your competitors who aren't :-) Tom S. WA6HAS

Re: [WISPA] Nanobridge M

2010-04-26 Thread Michael Baird
A good place to start is with their forums, lots of feedback on there. From my experience the design needs some tweaking, the way you access the ethernet is difficult. The ethernet connector is not shielded either. Some people have complained about low output, but I haven't seen that yet.

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Aside the moral issue with that, is it not 'no commercial transactions' when operating under ham rules? On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Yes; a very dirty and disreputable way. Any ham who tries this should remember that What goes around comes around. jack

Re: [WISPA] Freshbooks

2010-04-26 Thread Dylan Bouterse
As you can imagine, Butch is the only person that responded on his MT list and had nothing but good things to say. Good to know the customer experience is acceptable. Thanks Marlon! Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Jack Unger
Correct. Ham radio can not be used for any commercial purpose. WISP-type operation for money is not legal. A ham radio club could operate an Internet-connected access point for their own use (like for emergency communications, experimentation, etc.) but the access point and each end-point

[WISPA] On a more serious note - Imagestream password reset

2010-04-26 Thread Tom Sharples
Just fired up the Imagestream gateway router we picked up on Ebay. It was supposed to have been returned to factory defaults, but apparently was not, since I can't get in using root / blank on the CLI. Does anyone out here know how to reset the unit? I can't find any on-line documentation that

Re: [WISPA] Freshbooks

2010-04-26 Thread Chuck Profito
We use it and like it, but it will not yet link with other credit card providers, like Chuck Wu and others. This is a big gripe of mine. Excellent free service for your subcontractor/ installers to keep track and to bill to your wisp. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com

[WISPA] Vox voip

2010-04-26 Thread Jeremie Chism
Anyone use voxcorp for their voip and have a good billing solution. What we are doing now to bill is not practical. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] On a more serious note - Imagestream password reset

2010-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
What kind of ImageStream is this? I know you have to reboot it and do something when it first starts. If memory serves me right you have to hit enter when it's loading with the at the bottom... I can run over to the closet and get the bitrates of my Rebel if you need them. Josh

[WISPA] Rocket M5

2010-04-26 Thread Matt
What kind of realistic throughput are people getting out of these? 10, 20 and 40meg channels? Where I want to try one I doubt I can spare 40meg of 5.8. Was thinking of a 3 foot dual polarity dish and big backhaul. Matt

Re: [WISPA] On a more serious note - Imagestream password reset

2010-04-26 Thread Tom Sharples
It's the Imagestream Gateway Router model, large rack-mount box with a ventilation filter door on the left. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] On

Re: [WISPA] On a more serious note - Imagestream password reset

2010-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
http://www.imagestream.com/Gateway.html You can call support and then leave a message. Paul (maybe Josh) will call you back and tell you how it's done in a few minutes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure

Re: [WISPA] On a more serious note - Imagestream password reset

2010-04-26 Thread Tom Sharples
Figured it out - you have to use the failsafe option when booting, that gives you a menu you can use to erase the existing password. One of those special features I guess, at least if you google Imagestream and password reset or similar keywords you don't find it. Thanks, Tom S. -

Re: [WISPA] Off-list Re: On a more serious note - Imagestream password reset

2010-04-26 Thread Tom Sharples
Thanks, I just discovered this too :-) Should have plinked around a bit more before posting. - Original Message - From: Eric Plikuhn wispa-l...@plikuhn.com To: tsharp...@qorvus.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: Off-list Re: [WISPA] On a more serious note - Imagestream

[WISPA] local support

2010-04-26 Thread Mike Goicoechea
We are looking local tech service and support for the following cities. Birmingham, AL Chicago, IL Athens, GA Lafayette, LA Normal, IL Little Rock, AR Typically it is troubleshooting routers. Please email me directly if you are interested or have suggestions. Thanks, Mike

Re: [WISPA] On a more serious note - Imagestream password reset

2010-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
I'll help Google out a bit... http://iam8up.com/?p=845 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:54 PM,

Re: [WISPA] Off-list Re: On a more serious note - Imagestream password reset

2010-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Note this isn't offlist =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Tom Sharples

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5

2010-04-26 Thread Michael Baird
I've got a 10 mile link with two Ubiquiti 2ft dishes -60 or so on both sides, I can get 77 megs one way and 58 the other, one side has some noise issues hurting throughput. This was mcs15 130/117. Regards Michael Baird What kind of realistic throughput are people getting out of these? 10, 20

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5

2010-04-26 Thread Michael Baird
Oops, actually that's wrong. I've got a rocket m5/rocketdish 30 on one side, and a rocket m5/rocket 120/19 db sector on the other. Regards Michael Baird I've got a 10 mile link with two Ubiquiti 2ft dishes -60 or so on both sides, I can get 77 megs one way and 58 the other, one side has some

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5

2010-04-26 Thread Robert West
I have a nano5 almost 2 miles out that can push 130 in tests. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rocket M5 What kind of realistic

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5

2010-04-26 Thread Matt
I've got a 10 mile link with two Ubiquiti 2ft dishes -60 or so on both sides, I can get 77 megs one way and 58 the other, one side has some noise issues hurting throughput. This was mcs15 130/117. What is the channel size? Matt

Re: [WISPA] Vox voip

2010-04-26 Thread Joe Fiero
Jeremie, Hit me off list or call me at your convenience. Joe Joe Fiero CEO NuTel Broadband Corporation 769 Basque Way Suite 650 Carson City, Nevada 89706 Direct-732-364-4161 joe.fi...@nutelbroadband.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5

2010-04-26 Thread Ryan Ghering
We have a 27 Mile engineered link with Rocket 5's using Pac Wireless 3 foot dual pole dishes. -71 db signal 62 down and 38 up on normal days, bad weather days get 40 down and 23 up. On 40Mhz channels btw. Ryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a 10 mile

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5

2010-04-26 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Is that a 'ptp' link or a 'ptmp' link? The sector hints at this being the latter. Also, what sort of pps are you seeing on this link? ryan On Apr 26, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Oops, actually that's wrong. I've got a rocket m5/rocketdish 30 on one side, and a

Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

2010-04-26 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 04/26/2010 03:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Correct. Ham radio can not be used for any commercial purpose. WISP-type operation for money is not legal. A ham radio club could operate an Internet-connected access point for their own use (like for emergency communications, experimentation, etc.)

[WISPA] USF Funds

2010-04-26 Thread Marco Coelho
Are any of you presently using USF Funds to subsidize VOIP telephone service across their wireless network? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA

Re: [WISPA] USF Funds

2010-04-26 Thread Francois Menard
yup but not in the USA... it works in Canada. F. On 2010-04-26, at 5:11 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: Are any of you presently using USF Funds to subsidize VOIP telephone service across their wireless network? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
I just wish I could load Router OS on my Ubiquity CPE's How do you know that you cant? UBQTs are MIPs processors and MT has MIPs compiled OSs. Has anyone tried? I'd argue the opposite... I love Mikrotik Hardware, the one entity that understands the value of making Mutli-port ethernet at the

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'm very interested in your reported data. Its nice to see the results actually using a spectrum analyzer. Actually, we thought it was possibly advantageous to have the slots stacked because of the ease to fasten a isolation barrier between cards. And we feared that cards side by side would

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
OOPs. I just looked at your pictures, and see you were using R5H mmcx single antenna port cards, properly terminating Nconnectors, and thick pigtails. Clearly there is no better way to test accurately than how you tested. That is a big surprise, and valuable to know. Would still be interested

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
From what I have heard memory requirements are much higher in RouterOS. I'd expect Mikrotik went out of their way to break it on Ubnt, too. Not to mention the fact that you'll need to buy a MT license for each device (even at $35/cpe that adds up). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct:

[WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-26 Thread Liam Cummings
Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
yeah, but wouldn't it be nice to use UBQT CPE for 95% of the installs, and still be able to use a 3-9 eth port SBC when it is needed the remainig 5%, without having to deploy a new AP? Of course, there is the option to use MT AP and UBQT CPE, but that wont happen in my network until the two

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
I've been using MT APs and Ubnt CPEs. Been very happy with them. I do lose the speed test on the CPE, but it hasn't really been a big loss compared to what I save (something like $215 to $70 per CPE). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-26 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com wrote: Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
Are you bridging at the AP and CPE, and does it work? Something something that was brought to my attention is that UBQT has Iperf built in at teh command line. So technically, if we used UBQT at the CPE and MT as AP, we could still do speed tests easilly, since all our MT APs plug into our

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
It seems to bridge ok, but I primarily NAT the customers. I've read reports it doesn't carry OSPF packets right. On 4/26/10, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Are you bridging at the AP and CPE, and does it work? Something something that was brought to my attention is that UBQT has

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 26 April 2010 20:28, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It seems to bridge ok, but I primarily NAT the customers. I've read reports it doesn't carry OSPF packets right. It seems to behave ok if you do WDS AP/WDS Client and enable Multicast.

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
FWIW... The Ubiquiti Rocket M's are SBC, running Linux/ Open-wrt, and have the following processor... on them... - Atheros MIPS 24KC, 400MHz Memory Information 64MB SDRAM, 8MB Flash Operating Temperature -30C to 75C Networking Interface 1 X 10/100 BASE-TX (Cat. 5, RJ-45) Ethernet

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Jeromie Reeves
OSPF does not like Proxy ARP, hence the WDS requirement. I have not turned on multicast when doing this. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 April 2010 20:28, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It seems to bridge ok, but I primarily NAT

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-26 Thread Chuck Hogg
Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 04/26/2010 08:12 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Are you bridging at the AP and CPE, and does it work? Something something that was brought to my attention is that UBQT has Iperf built in at teh command line. So technically, if we used UBQT at the CPE and MT as AP, we could still do speed tests

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to

Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-26 Thread Chuck Profito
Hello, and welcome!. You may want to join WISPA as soon as possible. It will be the best money you spend before opening the doors. Membership will help you and your new business in many ways; low legal filings, many forms and contracts available for download, the list archives are worth the

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Greg Ihnen
I don't know about the newer M line but I know before that (speaking of the NS, PS, Bullet, Microstation, Picostation) at least one hurdle people were running into in their quest to put what they thought was better firmware into the UBNT line was memory. There just wasn't enough. It would be

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Robert West
Um Yeah. Kinda thought the same thing... - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
Thanks, good points. Anyone ever learn what method StarOS finally converted to, to reliably bridge and use WDS? Their later V3 product does it nicely. Its took them a number of tries and revs to get it tweaked right, for PtMP, but the end product is nice, and its all automatic if StarOS on both

Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5

2010-04-26 Thread RickG
That takes me to a question: Does it make a difference if you use two RocketdishM5 for both ends or another brand (Mikrotik, StarOS, etc) on one end? On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Oops, actually that's wrong. I've got a rocket m5/rocketdish 30 on one

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yes. We let and encourage all our customers to pick their own routers (so they are liable for their decission, not us), which is why we like to bridge at customer CPE end. The reason we need 5-9 eth ports is for when we serve shopping centers or industrial park warehouse type clients. We run

Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
There is enough RAM (64mb), there just isn't a large enough Flash, only 8k. So not easy getting MT on a UBQT. But the otherway around could work. Meaning putting UBQT OS (more or less OpenWRT) onto the MT. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original