Re: [WISPA] Filing a Response

2010-05-20 Thread Bradley D. Thornton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 kewl. Glad you found it :) On 5/19/2010 8:12 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Bottom button, File a Response -- Original Message -- From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com Reply-To: WISPA General List

[WISPA] FiberTower for backhauling ?

2010-05-20 Thread Jack Unger
Does anyone use FiberTower for backhauling? jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com

[WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Jeremie Chism
At what percentage of your backbone usage do you look at adding more capacity. At peak times I run at 65-70 percent of capacity. Just looking for suggestions. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread RickG
When you peak at 65-75 percent its probably time to add more. It depends on how fast your filling it up and how long it takes to implement the new capacity. -RickG On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: At what percentage of your backbone usage do you look at

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread D. Ryan Spott
What do your trends show you? Take your yearly graph and draw a line along the averages. Extend this line what does it do? ryan On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 6:54 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: When you peak at 65-75 percent its probably time to add more. It depends on how fast your

Re: [WISPA] FiberTower for backhauling ?

2010-05-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
Why do you ask? Im not saying anyone hasn't, but I have heard they have turned away providing service to some WISPs. They cater to large carrier and telecom. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger

[WISPA] New in Box SolecTek Skyway Excel P2P for sale

2010-05-20 Thread Cameron Kilton
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Re: [WISPA] FiberTower for backhauling ?

2010-05-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
Actually, to more fair, I should state... Fibertower owns and leases spectrum (24/39Ghz) as well as selling backhaul bandwidth. I would think they'd lease spectrum to anyone that was willing to pay for it. I was assuming you were asking about backhaul bandwidth. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless,

[WISPA] National Broadband Plan effects on Rural ILECs and Small Telecom Provider's

2010-05-20 Thread Rick Harnish
Yesterday, I attended a conference of primarily Rural ILECs with a focus on the National Broadband Plan. It was very interesting to hear another perspective of the plan other than from the wireless industry. Below I will outline some major talking points that were discussed. The first speaker

Re: [WISPA] National Broadband Plan effects on Rural ILECs and Small Telecom Provider's

2010-05-20 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Agreed. It is time for WISPA to take the next step. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:33 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] New in Box SolecTek Skyway Excel P2P for sale

2010-05-20 Thread Josh Luthman
Wait until Friday, you should. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Cameron Kilton

Re: [WISPA] New in Box SolecTek Skyway Excel P2P for sale

2010-05-20 Thread Chris Gotstein
Yoda speaks! Chris Gotstein, Sr Network Engineer, UP Logon/Computer Connection UP http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com On 5/20/2010 9:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Wait until Friday, you should. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343

Re: [WISPA] FiberTower for backhauling ?

2010-05-20 Thread Jack Unger
I ask because I'm trying to gather data to support WISPA's FCC filings. I'll explain... FiberTower is telling the FCC that they need chunks of TV White Space spectrum to be LICENSED TO THEM so they can provide point-to-point backbone bandwidth to serve rural unserved and underserved

Re: [WISPA] FiberTower for backhauling ?

2010-05-20 Thread Brad Belton
We've leased 38GHz spectrum from FiberTower (actually the company prior to FiberTower) for several years now. We also have one very small fiber PtP circuit from them simply because they had some available bandwidth between two common sites and it was easier (which is rare) for us to have them

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Scott Reed
Old rule of thumb for Ethernet, because it is based on collision detection, is 70-75% is the max you want. Above this and collisions often become an issue. I assume the same is true for the faster links as well. Jeremie Chism wrote: At what percentage of your backbone usage do you look at

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
That depends on how long your peaks last. The bottom line is that peaks generally only last short periods. If you run out of peak capacity, the side effect is usually minimal. All that occurs is that transfers during those peak time slow down a bit and spreadout over a longer period of time.

Re: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one)

2010-05-20 Thread Marco Coelho
Again, the Hartford. A couple of claims in 10 years. No issues. mc On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:35 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: www.selectiveinsurance.com I've been very happy with them for several years now. With that said, I've never had a claim. Maybe the better question is: Who is

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Jeremie Chism
Thanks Tom for the information. I appreciate you taking the time our of your busy day to give me such good information. It is greatly appreciated. I will make some adjustment to increase cpe bandwidth and see what happens. Most of my traffic shoul be bursty because it is business but I do

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
For Ethernet colision detection type networks, you are correct. That is what many WISPs forget when deploying PtMP. They incorrectly think a CDMA 25mb link will double their 10mb TDD link as they scale. They learn that as customer get added, the capacity is not nearly as much as they thought..

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Glenn Kelley
Well Put. Have you guys thought about - (sorry jumping in the back end here) adding squid or caching? I have seen some major drops on bandwidth when caching is put in place - up to 30+% On the other hand - squid is not a replacement for the additional bandwidth. On May 20, 2010, at

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Justin Wilson
I agree with Rick¹s percentage. If it is a traditional telco circuit you should get a concrete answer on how long it will take to add an additional circuit. I had to go 8 months one time to add another T1 into our bond. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Scott Reed
To point one, it depends on the device and the settings. If set to full duplex, there should not be collisions in a ptp configuration, but some inexpensive equipment will still show collisions. In half duplex, there may be, since only one side can talk at a time. I agree, this is only for

Re: [WISPA] FiberTower for backhauling ?

2010-05-20 Thread Gino Villarini
Jack My humble opinion is that using TVWS for backhauls is a waste of resources My points Current and future bandwidth requirement of wisps and celcos for towers are in the 50 Mbps + , so you'll plenty of spectrum to meet the demands, I'll say more than 50 MHz per link Propagation of

Re: [WISPA] New in Box SolecTek Skyway Excel P2P for sale

2010-05-20 Thread Cameron Kilton
Why wait until Friday? Thanks, Cameron Kilton Project Manager Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com c...@midcoast.com (207) 594-8277 x 108 On 5/20/2010 10:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Wait until Friday, you should. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

Re: [WISPA] New in Box SolecTek Skyway Excel P2P for sale

2010-05-20 Thread Josh Luthman
The list rules strongly suggest for sale/trades are only shared on Fridays. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May

[WISPA] Copier Security Risk!

2010-05-20 Thread Rick Harnish
Please pass this on to others in business! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC38D5am7go Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] New in Box SolecTek Skyway Excel P2P for sale

2010-05-20 Thread Cameron Kilton
Sorry about that, did not know what, well noted now. Thanks, Cameron Kilton Project Manager Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com c...@midcoast.com (207) 594-8277 x 108 On 5/20/2010 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: The list rules strongly suggest for sale/trades are only shared on

Re: [WISPA] New in Box SolecTek Skyway Excel P2P for sale

2010-05-20 Thread Josh Luthman
No problem, no one is upset I'm sure. It's just courteous to follow the rules of the Moto Folk. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston

[WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband

2010-05-20 Thread Rick Harnish
This is from the second speaker at the conference yesterday. How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband Legal Authority * Many recommendations call into question whether the FCC has the authority to act. For example: * USF reform - Does the FCC have authority to add Broadband

[WISPA] Looking for WISP in these Areas

2010-05-20 Thread Rick Harnish
Mr. Randall has not received any responses from this yet so I'm resending. He will be sending me more as he gets them. Dear Sirs: I am looking for WISP Services in the following locations, (Sorry but we do need to place a rush on these locations listed below). Please be sure

[WISPA] Google TV Announced

2010-05-20 Thread Justin Wilson
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/announcing-google-tv-tv-meets-web-web .html If you think Youtube is bad, wait till this kicks in. I have always said you need to design your network to meet customer demands, not make customers fit your network. I would expect ³Internet TVs² and other such

[WISPA] Executive Director Job Description Posted

2010-05-20 Thread Rick Harnish
Press Release: Application and Proposals Due June 1, 2010 Elizabeth Bowles, WISPA Vice President and Association Management Committee Chair The WISPA Board has approved hiring an Executive Director and is accepting proposals from those interested in applying for this position. Below is a

Re: [WISPA] New in Box SolecTek Skyway Excel P2P for sale

2010-05-20 Thread Jon Auer
Thought the WISPA General list has its own rules... On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No problem, no one is upset I'm sure.  It's just courteous to follow the rules of the Moto Folk. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

Re: [WISPA] New in Box SolecTek Skyway Excel P2P for sale

2010-05-20 Thread David E. Smith
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 13:36, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Thought the WISPA General list has its own rules... It does: 5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then an Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated) from

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
Scott, You raise a very valid point, Half Duplex can have a penalty regarding throughput and/or collisions, in some cases. As well it can break bandwdith mangement routines to some extent, because its not static how much bandwidth will be available at a given time in a direction to share

Re: [WISPA] National Broadband Plan effects on Rural ILECs and SmallTelecom Provider's

2010-05-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
Rick, Good info How open was that group (rural ILECs) to WISPA in general? Did they agree or disagree that there were scenergies to work togeather? I would think that Rural ILECs would benefit heavilly from the NBP goals that favored subsidizing Rural ILECs. Basically instead of USF

Re: [WISPA] National Broadband Plan effects on Rural ILECs and SmallTelecom Provider's

2010-05-20 Thread Rick Harnish
Tom, The general perception is that mobile broadband providers will be the most likely recipients of the Reverse Auction procedure. Voice is going mobile and they obviously have a solid lobbying front. It would seem logical that mobile providers could accept lower subsidies with lower overhead

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Copier Security Risk!

2010-05-20 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
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[WISPA] FW: [WISPA Members] Respond to RUS grants? Deadline Amended

2010-05-20 Thread Rick Harnish
Due to the emergency maintenance which was conducted this past weekend, RUS is extending the 30-day Public Notice Filing period by one day. The new deadline for existing service providers to file a response to any Public Notice Filing will be Monday, May 24th at 11:59pm CDT. -Original

Re: [WISPA] National Broadband Plan effects on Rural ILECsand SmallTelecom Provider's

2010-05-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
It sounds like a lot of good was taken and contributed to that meeting. I'm glad you were there. What interests me most will be to fully learn what scenergies will be found between our groups. At the end of the day, when it come to government increasing regulation, the sides become provider

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
Depends whether you are asking me or Jeremie. We dont use caching to save upstream badnwidth, currently. The reason is that our upstream transit costs are way less expesnive than our last mile and transport costs. At one point, I calculated our unlicensed transport costs to be close to $180

[WISPA] Ubiuiti N and selecting antenna port

2010-05-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
With Ubiquiti and any 2x2mimo N gear, there are two antenna ports or chains. If mode 1-7 is selected only Chain 0 (antenna port1) is enabled. If mode 8-14 is selected, the Chain1 (antenna port2) is enabled, and dependant on how much noise Antenna2 heard, the radio would automatically enable

Re: [WISPA] Ubiuiti N and selecting antenna port

2010-05-20 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Only the Rocket M's have the antenna port on them, all of the others have built in antennas since Rocket M's are really to be used as AP's , could I ask what is the vlaue in trying to do what you are asking for ? Why not just deploy the Radios with the antennas, that they are designed to

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Jeremie Chism
Sorry for the late reply. It stormed here today and I was busy watching all the equipment. No we currently do not do any caching. Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends whether you are asking me or Jeremie. We dont use

Re: [WISPA] Ubiuiti N and selecting antenna port

2010-05-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
I think you missed my point. The same problem exists if I use Nano Stations, or Built-in antenna models. I live in a very noisy inconsistent environment. Its uncertain in which installation cases Dual pol MIMO will work, and which cases it will not. It all depends on spectral availabilty. I

Re: [WISPA] Ubiuiti N and selecting antenna port

2010-05-20 Thread Rubens Kuhl
BUT... the problem would go away, if we could simply select which chain will operate like the primary, and always stay active. Physically mounting integrated antenna units with 90 degree turn or inverting antenna connections wouldn't achieve your goal in part ? (less flexible than remote

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread RickG
I was trained by Lucent when I was responsible for Performance Engineering at ATT Wireless. I had it take over a year to add T1's in some places. With that said, I do like Tom's full explanation as average usage should also come into play. Basically, it comes down to how you want our network to

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread RickG
Makes me think: What about caching on the edge rather than the core of your network? My goal would not be so much as to save bandwidth but rather performance to the end user. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends whether you are asking me or

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Glenn Kelley
Caching is pretty cheap - if you know how to do it cheap. Whats nice is - you can actually cache multiple places Edge however is wisest imho if you have to choose 1 location for most - If your interested in a dead easy cache (squid) method - pfsense is free and the squid package is brainless