[WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Steve Barnes
I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Jason Hensley
Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Mike
Steve, I have been having very good luck with the new generation of Deliberant radios. http://deliberant.com/landing/deliberant_products.aspx Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Steve Barnes
Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?

2010-06-07 Thread Alex Perez
Hi folks, I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT). Is anybody out there? I'm in Silicon Valley, and believe it or not, there are lots of folks with almost zero terrestrial wireless options at 3+

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? Not to my knowledge. I've always done two lines up the tower. Usually MT APs so I can do tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343

Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?

2010-06-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Bill Prince is out that way. http://skylinebroadbandservice.com/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Jeromie Reeves
The Ubnt Nano M's can pass power to the 2nd port. I have a number of them out there. For the most part, I love it. I have one that is acting up, but that is due to a lost password (or more likely a fat fingered one) On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?

2010-06-07 Thread Charles Wu
There's an organization out there called CISPA - California ISP Association www.cispa.org -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alex Perez Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] West

Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?

2010-06-07 Thread Alex Perez
Thanks Josh, I'm familiar with Bill; He and I live just a few miles from each other. Anybody else out here in the west? On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Bill Prince is out that way. http://skylinebroadbandservice.com/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct:

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
Steve: I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below, but here's a try. Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the Backhaul. The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port. Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet. Choose your

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Jason Hensley
There is next to no learning curve on the Deliberant if you know networking and wireless at all. It's an easy web interface and has full SSH access too if you like that route. I highly recommend it. So much easier than putting two radios up. We've been that route too with Trazeo and have not

Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?

2010-06-07 Thread Josh Luthman
WISPA has a California mailing list (probably califor...@wispa.org or c...@wispa.org) - check that yet? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” ---

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Steve Barnes
Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?

2010-06-07 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/7/2010 9:21 AM, Alex Perez wrote: Hi folks, I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT).

Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?

2010-06-07 Thread Alex Perez
On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: WISPA has a California mailing list (probably califor...@wispa.org or c...@wispa.org) - check that yet? Thanks Josh, I had no idea. I'm subscribed now! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy,

Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?

2010-06-07 Thread Rick Harnish
Alex, We have a list called califor...@wispa.org. You can sign up for the list at http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/california. There are currently only 4 member on that listserv. You might want to introduce yourself when joining and some of those local providers may be able to help you

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Mike
Whatever works for you Steve. Deliberant has a gui and I use them in conjunction with MT too. Learning curve is 1/2 hour -- the gui is intuitive. What I really like about them is any of the radios can do anything with a firmware flash. APs can be CPE, CPE APs et al. The DUO would fit your

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
Well, if you are doing the Loco station/Bullet, you'll need antennas too...that's why I didn't put them on there. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread John Thomas
Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? Not to my knowledge. I've always done two lines up the tower. Usually MT APs so I can do tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too. Josh

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Josh Luthman
John Thomas - three emails have been blank in the last few minutes. What's wrong with the Loco antennas? They're 8 and 13dbi for 2.4 and 5Ghz (I think). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal:

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Oh...thanks for the reminder... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Chuck Hogg

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread John Thomas
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Steve Barnes
John Dude you got some issues. Look below to see what we get. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:12 AM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
So What software do they have running on the Deliberant Quads/Duos units now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07,

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Jason Hensley
It's a custom skin version of the Wilibox software. Not flex-based like the CPE's. Don't know much more than that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:19 AM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Jerry Richardson
UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Thanks for the advice guys on the

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Philip Dorr
since when? I know they have/had had a USB port, but I wasn't aware they added second ethernet port. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Josh Luthman
2.4 does 5 and 3.65 do NOT http://www.ubnt.com/rocketm Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:34

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That is nice to know, I never looked at the 2.4 rocket as I had no plans to use it. Now, mmm, for some very rural links that might do. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: 2.4 does 5 and 3.65 do NOT http://www.ubnt.com/rocketm Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread RickG
Depending on needs, you could use a Pico for the AP, then no antenna. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread RickG
Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That is what I do. It works well for hitting small pockets, a dozen people or so,plus I use it when the client wants a AP. People are not allowed to connect things to the network with out permission, if they do, and it runs their bill up, they get the idea quickly. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:08

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Jason Hensley
We went LLC taxed as an S Corp not so much for tax reasons as we did legal reasons. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread Glenn Kelley
Rick Sole Proprietor has its own back of nuttiness. You and everything you own is on the line. I have been there and it is far from fun. In short - you simply don't want someone having an issue and you loosing your home, car - etc over it. Thus the reason after I lost my shirt once - I

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread Travis Johnson
We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Nope Nanos have second Eth. Rockets only have USB port as port2. Nano's are a good solution as long as a 16db antenna will suffice for the application. If not, a solution like Deliberent or MT is needed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Datasheets... 2.4 does 5 and 3.65 do NOT http://www.ubnt.com/rocketm Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7,

Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?

2010-06-07 Thread Jerry Richardson
East Bay Area/Mt Diablo Region Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications www.airCloud.com ~Sent mobile~ On Jun 7, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 07:32 -0700, Alex Perez wrote: Thanks Josh, I'm familiar with Bill; He and I live just a

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
There is ONLY one benefit to operating as a sole proprietor, in my opionion. As a sole proprietor you are treated like a consumer, and by law you are allowed to represent yourself in court. If you want to sue anyone, or defend yourself against anyone's suit, you can do it cost effectively

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread Eje Gustafsson
S corp here as well. Why. Well because our CPA and our financial advisor deemed due to our nature and size of our business it was considerably more beneficial for us to be a S corp then being an LLC or C corp. It was a hard draw between S corp or C corp but due to some of the paperwork etc for C

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Note... One relevent factor will be Health Insurance, due to teh skyrocketing cost of health insurance. On of my companies is a C-Corp. The reason was that when we first formed our S-Corp, we could not deduct the full csot of health insurance. Back then it was only like 30%. But with a C-Corp

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Rubens Kuhl
One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on a remote location. (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though) Rubens On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Steve Barnes
Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? This sounds WAY to simple. A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away. What kind of signal would you have on the back side at the

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Josh Luthman
If you're at -68, subtract ~2db for the cables/connectors, subtract FSL (frequency, distance) and finally add the antenna gain at the house. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Bob Moldashel
Garbage.. Let's say optimum consideration here... Present RSL -68 db Subtract cable loss -2 dB = -70 Add +24 db for the Grid = -46 Free Space Loss at 1/10th of a mile is -84 db Soo... If you take the -46 dB level out and add the FSL of -84 dB that will give you a -130

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Or a 60db+ dish! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This sounds WAY to simple. Yes, it does. Passive reflectors and passive repeaters are usual chapters on microwave literature, and you can read a brief

Re: [WISPA] FCC Says FTTH Out DSL/Fixed Wireless In!

2010-06-07 Thread Josh Luthman
We're making news! Thanks for sharing!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:06 PM, St. Louis

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Bob Moldashel
5/100 ths of a mile puts it at -100dB That's about 250' from the antenna. -B- Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? This sounds WAY to simple. Yes, it

Re: [WISPA] FCC Says FTTH Out DSL/Fixed Wireless In!

2010-06-07 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Yes we are! I have always believed the WISP was American's best resource! ~V~ -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:05 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says FTTH Out DSL/Fixed

Re: [WISPA] FCC Says FTTH Out DSL/Fixed Wireless In!

2010-06-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Just seems the logical way to go for a lot of things. Honda does it in their plants, I'm doing for my phone (both use and power!) and we're all doing it to deliver Internet access! Reminds me of a joke (substitute states/names where you would like)... After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last

Re: [WISPA] FCC Says FTTH Out DSL/Fixed Wireless In!

2010-06-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Although I like the Article, the Headlines are misleading, and spinning the FCC's statements. I'm not sure the headline's conclusion is what the FCC said. What the Report said was that It will cost 3-4 times more to bring FTTH. It also said The FEds dont have a plan to pay 60 billion. But

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Greg Ihnen
Actually I've done this on ships where the deck department needed to communicate with the engine room and personnel down in compartments where winches for line handling were located. We're talking very short distances (less than the length of the ship - around a 1000 ft) and short cable runs.

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Jack Unger
For this to work, one end needs to be very short. In a typical mountain-top repeat situation, the combined free-space path loss from BOTH paths is more than enough to prevent the link from working. Greg Ihnen wrote: Actually I've done this on ships where the deck department needed to

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Matt Jenkins
I too am a really big fan of the Deliberant AP duo and Quads. They have new CPE's that are low priced and compact like the Ubnt ones. On 06/07/2010 07:35 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: There is next to no learning curve on the Deliberant if you know networking and wireless at all. It's an easy web

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Mike
The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me. Two times in many years I have done just that with limited success. The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in SW Florida. It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as well as the techs. Cell phone

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread RickG
I agree which is why I did S-Corp from the start. But then again, I own nothing, so NO risk! Furthermore, I hear that the corporate veil can be pierced if you do the work. Its just disheartening how much crud you have to do to run a business (besides the actual business). Thanks for the input!

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread RickG
Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread RickG
Tom, I agree with one exception: Sole proprietor doesn't have to worry about employee withholdings. Which is really what sent me on this tangent. Its such a burden to put all this withholdings reporting crud on a Mom Pop business. I've always filed paid all my taxes but the paperwork and

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread RickG
Tom, are you an employee of your corp then? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Note... One relevent factor will be Health Insurance, due to teh skyrocketing cost of health insurance. On of my companies is a C-Corp. The reason was that when we first

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Greg Ihnen
My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents zero impedance transformation. See the Smith chart - http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed line's impedance (a perfect match represented by the point

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread Larry Yunker
Rick, Your comment regarding owning nothing doesn't take into account the full picture. You have earnings and you will continue to earn money in the future. If you are found liable for a tort or even for a breach of contract as a sole proprietor, not only can the court order you to turn over

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread Mike
You are absolutely right. A quarter wave feed line is an impedance inverter. If my 1/4 wave multiples were even numbered the same effect would be found. (2 x 1/4 wave = half wave) A half wave feed is an impedance repeater. I DO find the idea intriguing, but not so that I will be the one to acid

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Sole proprietor doesn't have to worry about employee withholdings. Yeah, but you are still responsible for Self Employment tax, so its a wash, except for the man hours to actually record and report withholdings. But not sure that you escape the reporting by beign a sole prop. For the

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? Good question. Again that depends. Depends on whether you are making money or investing in money. If you invest cash into a company, it usually makes sense to remove cash by paying back the investment, to avoid being double