I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have
one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100%
Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2
Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the
Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
I have avoided repeaters like the plague
Steve, I have been having very good luck with the new generation of
Deliberant radios. http://deliberant.com/landing/deliberant_products.aspx
Friendly Regards,
Mike
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent:
Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really
want to do is learn another radio system.
Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Hi folks,
I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any
activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT). Is anybody out there?
I'm in Silicon Valley, and believe it or not, there are lots of folks with
almost zero terrestrial wireless options at 3+
Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that
pass through POE?
Not to my knowledge.
I've always done two lines up the tower. Usually MT APs so I can do
tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
Bill Prince is out that way.
http://skylinebroadbandservice.com/
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010
The Ubnt Nano M's can pass power to the 2nd port. I have a number of
them out there. For the most part, I love it. I have one that is
acting up, but that is due to a lost password (or more likely a fat
fingered one)
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
There's an organization out there called CISPA - California ISP Association
www.cispa.org
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Alex Perez
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] West
Thanks Josh,
I'm familiar with Bill; He and I live just a few miles from each other. Anybody
else out here in the west?
On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Bill Prince is out that way.
http://skylinebroadbandservice.com/
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct:
Steve:
I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below,
but here's a try.
Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the
Backhaul. The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port.
Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet. Choose your
There is next to no learning curve on the Deliberant if you know networking
and wireless at all. It's an easy web interface and has full SSH access too
if you like that route. I highly recommend it. So much easier than putting
two radios up. We've been that route too with Trazeo and have not
WISPA has a California mailing list (probably califor...@wispa.org or
c...@wispa.org) - check that yet?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
---
Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system.
Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 6/7/2010 9:21 AM, Alex Perez wrote:
Hi folks,
I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any
activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT).
On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
WISPA has a California mailing list (probably califor...@wispa.org or
c...@wispa.org) - check that yet?
Thanks Josh, I had no idea. I'm subscribed now!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy,
Alex,
We have a list called califor...@wispa.org. You can sign up for the list at
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/california. There are currently
only 4 member on that listserv. You might want to introduce yourself when
joining and some of those local providers may be able to help you
Whatever works for you Steve. Deliberant has a gui and I use them in
conjunction with MT too. Learning curve is 1/2 hour -- the gui is
intuitive. What I really like about them is any of the radios can do
anything with a firmware flash. APs can be CPE, CPE APs et al. The DUO
would fit your
Well, if you are doing the Loco station/Bullet, you'll need antennas
too...that's why I didn't put them on there.
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that
pass through POE?
Not to my knowledge.
I've always done two lines up the tower. Usually MT APs so I can do
tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.
Josh
John Thomas - three emails have been blank in the last few minutes.
What's wrong with the Loco antennas? They're 8 and 13dbi for 2.4 and
5Ghz (I think).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal:
Oh...thanks for the reminder...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Chuck Hogg
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Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that
pass through POE?
Not to my knowledge.
I've always done two lines up the tower. Usually MT APs so I can do
tons of
John Dude you got some issues. Look below to see what we get.
Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of John Thomas
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:12 AM
To: WISPA
So What software do they have running on the Deliberant Quads/Duos units
now?
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 07,
It's a custom skin version of the Wilibox software. Not flex-based like the
CPE's. Don't know much more than that.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:19 AM
To: WISPA General
UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Thanks for the advice guys on the
since when? I know they have/had had a USB port, but I wasn't aware
they added second ethernet port.
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
2.4 does
5 and 3.65 do NOT
http://www.ubnt.com/rocketm
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:34
That is nice to know, I never looked at the 2.4 rocket as I had no
plans to use it. Now, mmm, for some very rural links that might do.
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
2.4 does
5 and 3.65 do NOT
http://www.ubnt.com/rocketm
Josh Luthman
Depending on needs, you could use a Pico for the AP, then no antenna.
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system.
Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
-Original Message-
From:
Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but
I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm
curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as
a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering
switching back due to its
That is what I do. It works well for hitting small pockets, a dozen
people or so,plus I use it when the client wants a AP. People are not
allowed to connect things to the network with out permission, if they
do, and it runs their bill up, they get the idea quickly.
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:08
We went LLC taxed as an S Corp not so much for tax reasons as we did legal
reasons.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA]
Rick
Sole Proprietor has its own back of nuttiness. You and everything you
own is on the line.
I have been there and it is far from fun.
In short - you simply don't want someone having an issue and you
loosing your home, car - etc over it.
Thus the reason after I lost my shirt once - I
We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It
provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also
allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a
sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.).
Again, you would need to check with
Nope Nanos have second Eth.
Rockets only have USB port as port2.
Nano's are a good solution as long as a 16db antenna will suffice for the
application.
If not, a solution like Deliberent or MT is needed.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original
East Bay Area/Mt Diablo Region
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
www.airCloud.com
~Sent mobile~
On Jun 7, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
wrote:
On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 07:32 -0700, Alex Perez wrote:
Thanks Josh,
I'm familiar with Bill; He and I live just a
There is ONLY one benefit to operating as a sole proprietor, in my opionion.
As a sole proprietor you are treated like a consumer, and by law you are
allowed to represent yourself in court.
If you want to sue anyone, or defend yourself against anyone's suit, you can
do it cost effectively
Note...
One relevent factor will be Health Insurance, due to teh skyrocketing cost
of health insurance.
On of my companies is a C-Corp. The reason was that when we first formed our
S-Corp, we could not deduct the full csot of health insurance. Back then it
was only like 30%. But with a C-Corp
One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable
between the two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no
power to supply on a remote location.
(haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)
Rubens
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes
Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? This
sounds WAY to simple.
A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged
into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away. What kind of signal
would you have on the back side at the
If you're at -68, subtract ~2db for the cables/connectors, subtract
FSL (frequency, distance) and finally add the antenna gain at the
house.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the
Garbage..
Let's say optimum consideration here...
Present RSL -68 db Subtract cable loss -2 dB = -70 Add +24 db
for the Grid = -46
Free Space Loss at 1/10th of a mile is -84 db
Soo...
If you take the -46 dB level out and add the FSL of -84 dB that will
give you a -130
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? This
sounds WAY to simple.
Yes, it does. Passive reflectors and passive repeaters are usual
chapters on microwave literature, and you can read a brief
We're making news!
Thanks for sharing!!!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:06 PM, St. Louis
5/100 ths of a mile puts it at -100dB
That's about 250' from the antenna.
-B-
Rubens Kuhl wrote:
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? This
sounds WAY to simple.
Yes, it
Although I like the Article, the Headlines are misleading, and spinning the
FCC's statements. I'm not sure the headline's conclusion is what the FCC
said.
What the Report said was that It will cost 3-4 times more to bring FTTH.
It also said The FEds dont have a plan to pay 60 billion. But
For this to work, one end needs to be very short. In a typical
mountain-top repeat situation, the combined free-space path loss from
BOTH paths is more than enough to prevent the link from working.
Greg Ihnen wrote:
Actually I've done this on ships where the deck department needed to
The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me. Two times in many years
I have done just that with limited success.
The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in SW
Florida. It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as well as the
techs. Cell phone
I agree which is why I did S-Corp from the start. But then again, I
own nothing, so NO risk! Furthermore, I hear that the corporate veil
can be pierced if you do the work. Its just disheartening how much
crud you have to do to run a business (besides the actual business).
Thanks for the input!
Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp?
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It
provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also
allows expenses by the
Tom, I agree with one exception: Sole proprietor doesn't have to worry
about employee withholdings. Which is really what sent me on this
tangent. Its such a burden to put all this withholdings reporting
crud on a Mom Pop business. I've always filed paid all my taxes
but the paperwork and
Tom, are you an employee of your corp then?
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:
Note...
One relevent factor will be Health Insurance, due to teh skyrocketing cost
of health insurance.
On of my companies is a C-Corp. The reason was that when we first
My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents zero
impedance transformation. See the Smith chart -
http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif
The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed line's
impedance (a perfect match represented by the point
Rick,
Your comment regarding owning nothing doesn't take into account the full
picture. You have earnings and you will continue to earn money in the
future. If you are found liable for a tort or even for a breach of contract
as a sole proprietor, not only can the court order you to turn over
You are absolutely right. A quarter wave feed line is an impedance inverter.
If my 1/4 wave multiples were even numbered the same effect would be found.
(2 x 1/4 wave = half wave) A half wave feed is an impedance repeater. I DO
find the idea intriguing, but not so that I will be the one to acid
Sole proprietor doesn't have to worry
about employee withholdings.
Yeah, but you are still responsible for Self Employment tax, so its a wash,
except for the man hours to actually record and report withholdings.
But not sure that you escape the reporting by beign a sole prop. For the
Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp?
Good question. Again that depends. Depends on whether you are making money
or investing in money.
If you invest cash into a company, it usually makes sense to remove cash by
paying back the investment, to avoid being double
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