[WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread Jeremie Chism
I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe. Sent from my iPhone

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out. Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went away. Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread Robert West
Grounding. It's my best friend. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection I had a problem customer

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread Mark Dueck
I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days. We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every single radio was fried. Our problem I think is that it's a limestone (caliche or white marl) hill. How well can you ground in a situation like that? Or does it not

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread Patrick Wheeland
Is you tower ground tied to your utility ground? -Patrick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Mark Dueck Sent: Tue 7/27/2010 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection I've been wanting to ask this question for a

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread Mike
Many times a mesh, or series of radials radiating from the tower will help. Also, sufficiently deep ground wells can be dug and bronze rods driven. Calcium chloride in and around the ground rods/wells will also increase soil conductivity. Make sure you don't have any ground loops in the system,

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread Mike
Oh yeah, I usually ground with a triad of rods in an equilateral triangle at least 8 feet apart, and never a single rod. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original

[WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett
What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting? I know someone at WISPCON years back had a pager based system. I'm sure there are cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Nighthawk nh100, uses the paging system. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting? I know someone at WISPCON

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Cameron Crum
nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a few, but they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my units...now they are paperweights. Cameron On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: What are you guys doing for off-net

Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-27 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Worked for me two weeks ago. On Jul 27, 2010 2:06 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a few, but they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my units...now they are paperweights. Cameron On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at

Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-27 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Gino Villarini
If anyone is interested, I got 6 nighthawk units brand new willing to part with very easely(cheap) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-27 Thread Matt
We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible.  Some back roads don't

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread Greg Ihnen
Where I'm from the telco and cable co bring their service to the customer's house and then they continue down (or up if it's underground) the outside of the exterior wall down to a few feet above ground, and then put their grounding block or protector on the wall and run a ground wire down to a

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread Greg Ihnen
I know in some difficult to ground regions instead of ground rods they use a grounding system laid in the cement foundation and ground floor of new construction. It's reportedly very effective even in arid locations because the cement tends to store and release water keeping the surrounding

[WISPA] Renegotiating Tower Leases

2010-07-27 Thread Chuck Hogg
We are in the midst of purchasing a company, and they have quite a few Crown leases. We want to renegotiate those leases to add additional antennas. Unfortunately, these guys are paying $2/ft/antenna so some of them are extremely expensive with 5 antennas at 150'+. Have any of you gone thru the

Re: [WISPA] Renegotiating Tower Leases

2010-07-27 Thread Josh Luthman
We have. Never with Crown Castle. Just the usual business of negotiating. On Jul 27, 2010 4:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We are in the midst of purchasing a company, and they have quite a few Crown leases. We want to renegotiate those leases to add additional antennas.

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett
They still them and actively support them in many areas, according to them. They say the problem is that the paging providers are closing down in some areas due to the economy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/27/2010 1:04 PM, Cameron Crum

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Makes sense. Anyone remember the paging system they use? American something I think... On Jul 27, 2010 4:51 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: They still them and actively support them in many areas, according to them. They say the problem is that the paging providers are closing

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Bret Clark
Why not just get a basic business measured POT's line...probably $10 a month? There are lots of devices that will run off of touch tone signaling in which you can issue turnoff/turnon commands. On 07/27/2010 04:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: They still them and actively support them in many areas,

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Where are you getting PSTN for 10/mo? We start at 60/mo with no features or usage from three large telcos around here. On Jul 27, 2010 4:57 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Why not just get a basic business measured POT's line...probably $10 a month? There are lots of devices that

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Ryan Spott
$200 bucks and a prepaid SIM card? http://www.gsm-auto.com/ ryan On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: They still them and actively support them in many areas, according to them. They say the problem is that the paging providers are closing down in

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread Scott Lambert
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 03:08:52PM -0430, Greg Ihnen wrote: I know in some difficult to ground regions instead of ground rods they use a grounding system laid in the cement foundation and ground floor of new construction. It's reportedly very effective even in arid locations because the cement

[WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring

2010-07-27 Thread Carl Shivers
Matt Larson demonstrated some software that he had created to monitor the Byte throughput on his customers. He then developed packages accordingly. I understand that some others are using various softwares to do the same thing. Someone mentioned Win Pcap and someone else mentioned Netflow. I

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Chuck Profito
http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off line rebooting. We have them on all ap / tower sites. They a have saved a trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee. Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Brad Belton
Butch Evans put together a MikroTik script for us that monitors our APC UPSs. Sends us an email when power is lost along with battery time remaining. Then sends us an email again once power is restored and again updates the remaining battery life. Works well, but unfortunately the RB493AH

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Bret Clark
Ouch...is that measure or unmeasured? Measured around NH is about $10-$12 minus the slush fund and bogus add on fees. I think last time I checked total was about $15-$20 including fees. On 07/27/2010 05:01 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Where are you getting PSTN for 10/mo? We start at 60/mo with

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Cameron Crum
Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer supported the paging protocol those units used. On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Jason Bailey
model/any other spec on them? --- On Tue, 7/27/10, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 2:40 PM If anyone is interested, I got 6

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Josh Luthman
What do you mean measured? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote: Ouch...is that measure or unmeasured? Measured around NH is about $10-$12 minus the slush fund

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Josh Luthman
When did that take place? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer supported the paging protocol

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Bret Clark
Pay for all local inbound and outbound calls. Unmeasured was free local calls...still paid for LD. On 07/27/2010 06:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What do you mean measured? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Josh Luthman
I said no usage. That's 0 minutes. Local calls account for minimal minutes on most lines. Local long distance are most abundant. This is why I avoid the PSTN. On Jul 27, 2010 6:57 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Pay for all local inbound and outbound calls. Unmeasured was free

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Gino Villarini
Anyone has experience with the webpower switch? Good ? bad ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Synaccess Networks NP-08 is decent. I've had it lock on me in about 3 years, though. Gives you room for comments and multiple users. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Gino Villarini

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Cameron Crum
Brad, I found out what causes this. There is a small battery inside that loses its ability to keep a charge. Once this happens, the thing goes back to defaults at every reboot. You can get a replacement at batteries plus. It looks like a double a, but is some li variant. Cameron On Tuesday, July

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread Cameron Crum
We grounded all our towers the same as mike...3 rods in a triangle about 10 ft out in each direction. Cameron On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Oh yeah, I usually ground with a triad of rods in an equilateral triangle at least 8 feet apart, and never a single rod.

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread Philip Dorr
Isn't that how towers are supposed to be grounded? Three ground rods one at each leg, 3+ feet away, hooked together in a loop and attached to each leg of the tower. When you have guy wires are't you supposed to do the same between them? On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Cameron Crum

[WISPA] Overheating UPS?

2010-07-27 Thread Forbes Mercy
One of my UPS's at a house/tower was chirping, I sent a technician to pull the unit in for testing. It was so hot that they had to wrap it in towels to move it, it wasn't chirping when he got there. It has a minimum load of about 3-4 amps for a couple Mikrotik and Motorola radios on it with

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Kristian Hoffmann
We've had almost as many dispatches to fix/replace broken DLI web power switches as we have saved dispatches from being able to remotely reboot devices. At this point, we have half a dozen on the shelf that I'm reluctant to send out in the field. On the other hand, we have some older units (pre

Re: [WISPA] Renegotiating Tower Leases

2010-07-27 Thread RickG
I tried to renegotiate my tower lease with them in Florida. Never got it done. Crown has no idea what they are doing, at least there anyways. Hopefully they are better around here and you have better luck. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We are in the midst

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-27 Thread RickG
Or ungrounding, whichever is opposite of what was in place at the time of the lightning hit! On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Grounding.  It's my best friend. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Nick White
We saw the same issue. Had to replace the internal battery on about ten of them after 3-4 years of deployment. Been fine ever since. On 7/27/2010 5:32 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: Brad, I found out what causes this. There is a small battery inside that loses its ability to keep a charge. Once this

Re: [WISPA] IPPay

2010-07-27 Thread Robert West
They do a PERSONAL credit check instead of a CORPORATE credit c heck in order to make their decision to accept your company as a client. And that is okay how? Just found that out after trying to get them as a processor. And still I was snookered. I'm sure they do a great job and are well worth

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Brad Belton
Cameron - Nick, No kidding, an internal battery will render the unit unreachable even after a hard factory reset? Good to know. I guess I'll order a couple more replacements, so I can then crack open the ones that have become doorstops and check them out. Thanks, Brad -Original

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-27 Thread Cameron Crum
I stumbled upon it by accident. I'm not sure why I decided to take one apart, but I saw the little battery in there and thought hmmm. So I got a new one and it got its memory back...well at least after a reprogramming. I guess its like a cmos battery. Lose it and you have to go reset all your