Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com - Author of Learn RouterOS http://www.routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
H.which models .? What version of firmware. ? We have been using the M gear...and have not seen any lockups Fwiw...the also have watchdog built in for reboots... Faisal On Aug 8, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] UBNT thoughts
Hi Faisal and the list We have also been using UBNT quite a bit lately over the last couple of years. I’m anxious to try some of the 900 and 3.65 when the time is right. Nano 2 and Nano 5 have been in our arsenal for as long as they have been out. Never had a lick of trouble with them other than a WPA issue on the very first ones. It got fixed quickly in firmware. Have now been using Nano 5M for some short links as well. They seem to work well, giving great throughput, but we have had a couple that want to lock up. Haven’t put the watchdog on yet. I think the issue is likely with WPA- seems like that has been an issue with several manufacturers who use that chipset. I think the UBNT forum has some threads on that. We try to keep them on the latest firmware (and sometimes on the beta ). We have a PowerStation 5 link with 2 2’ dishes going 20+ miles and it just hasn’t missed a beat. Recently lightning took out all the Tranzeo and Deliberant on the tower and only 2 things kept on ticking: The Canopy AP and the PowerStation 5. A lot of our old Deliberant and Tranzeo gear is getting eaten by lightning and some of the Deliberant boxes (the gray ones) are beginning to leak and corrode inside, so we are switching to UBNT as that happens. We have a long Rocket 5M link up with 2’ dishes and it works pretty well so far. Because of the 20 mile distance, we need to increase dish size though. Signal isn’t good enough to use Airmax. Just put up a tower cluster of 3 Rocket 2 radios/sectors replacing some Deliberant 2700s. So far so good, but don’t have enough users on it yet to tell about any issues with the sector patterns. We have never used a piece of uncertified gear! I value my license (Amateur one) too much to get involved with illegal activities and the FCC. They tend to go harshly on Licensees for violations even in other services. The Latvians make great routers (we use them almost exclusively) but I wouldn’t touch their wireless with a 10 foot pole. There is plenty of reasonably priced great gear out there whose manufacturers do go the extra distance to get certified. Just my .02 from a good old Southern boy. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP H.which models .? What version of firmware. ? We have been using the M gear...and have not seen any lockups Fwiw...the also have watchdog built in for reboots... Faisal On Aug 8, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com Training - Author of http://www.routerosbook.com/ Learn RouterOS From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
I don't believe there are ANY certified Mikrotik 5.4 GHz solutions. I certainly welcome being corrected on this. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/7/2010 10:03 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
Mike- I think no one has mentioned Alvarion 5.4 PtP yet. We put some of them up a couple of years ago. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP I don't believe there are ANY certified Mikrotik 5.4 GHz solutions. I certainly welcome being corrected on this. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/7/2010 10:03 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Second 900mhz AP
I need to add a second AP on a tower and need help. How far apart must the 90 degree sector antenna be placed? Can they be the same polarity? Can I run LMR-400 to them about 70ft? Anything else I should consider? Thanx NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts
UBNT is giving me headaches, I have canopy and I am loosing sleep at night because of the price of this UBNT gear and wondering if I should start deploying it or not. There is canopy gear out there that is 5 years old and still in service. Does anyone think that the UBNT gear will last this long or will it be like the 802.11b stuff in a couple years where you were basically throwing it all in the trash? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Hi Faisal and the list We have also been using UBNT quite a bit lately over the last couple of years. Im anxious to try some of the 900 and 3.65 when the time is right. Nano 2 and Nano 5 have been in our arsenal for as long as they have been out. Never had a lick of trouble with them other than a WPA issue on the very first ones. It got fixed quickly in firmware. Have now been using Nano 5M for some short links as well. They seem to work well, giving great throughput, but we have had a couple that want to lock up. Havent put the watchdog on yet. I think the issue is likely with WPA- seems like that has been an issue with several manufacturers who use that chipset. I think the UBNT forum has some threads on that. We try to keep them on the latest firmware (and sometimes on the beta ). We have a PowerStation 5 link with 2 2 dishes going 20+ miles and it just hasnt missed a beat. Recently lightning took out all the Tranzeo and Deliberant on the tower and only 2 things kept on ticking: The Canopy AP and the PowerStation 5. A lot of our old Deliberant and Tranzeo gear is getting eaten by lightning and some of the Deliberant boxes (the gray ones) are beginning to leak and corrode inside, so we are switching to UBNT as that happens. We have a long Rocket 5M link up with 2 dishes and it works pretty well so far. Because of the 20 mile distance, we need to increase dish size though. Signal isnt good enough to use Airmax. Just put up a tower cluster of 3 Rocket 2 radios/sectors replacing some Deliberant 2700s. So far so good, but dont have enough users on it yet to tell about any issues with the sector patterns. We have never used a piece of uncertified gear! I value my license (Amateur one) too much to get involved with illegal activities and the FCC. They tend to go harshly on Licensees for violations even in other services. The Latvians make great routers (we use them almost exclusively) but I wouldnt touch their wireless with a 10 foot pole. There is plenty of reasonably priced great gear out there whose manufacturers do go the extra distance to get certified. Just my .02 from a good old Southern boy. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP H.which models .? What version of firmware. ? We have been using the M gear...and have not seen any lockups Fwiw...the also have watchdog built in for reboots... Faisal On Aug 8, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com - Author of http://www.routerosbook.com/ Learn RouterOS From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Second 900mhz AP
I have several sites that have multiple 900MHz APs using 10MHz channels. Obviously the more separation the better, but I have a couple of sites were the separation about 18. Both vertical polarity. I have not noticed any issues. I run 900MHz on LMR400 up to 100'. Over that I use LMR600. I have one at 140'. ~NGL~ wrote: I need to add a second AP on a tower and need help. How far apart must the 90 degree sector antenna be placed? Can they be the same polarity? Can I run LMR-400 to them about 70ft? Anything else I should consider? Thanx NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Radwin Management program
Does anyone have the program to manage a Radwin 1000? I'd appreciate a copy. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Second 900mhz AP
Before smartmeters (BC) we had 3 integrated 900's on the same tower at 906, 914, and 930 without issue. It's really about your available spectrum. You need a minimum of 9MHz spacing. 75'of cable should not be a problem other than loss is loss. I would put the AP on the back of the antenna Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Aug 8, 2010, at 3:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I need to add a second AP on a tower and need help. How far apart must the 90 degree sector antenna be placed? Can they be the same polarity? Can I run LMR-400 to them about 70ft? Anything else I should consider? Thanx NGL --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Second 900mhz AP
Was that even legal? I thought the 900 MHz spectrum that we are allowed was 902-928. On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Before smartmeters (BC) we had 3 integrated 900's on the same tower at 906, 914, and 930 without issue. It's really about your available spectrum. You need a minimum of 9MHz spacing. 75'of cable should not be a problem other than loss is loss. I would put the AP on the back of the antenna Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Aug 8, 2010, at 3:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I need to add a second AP on a tower and need help. How far apart must the 90 degree sector antenna be placed? Can they be the same polarity? Can I run LMR-400 to them about 70ft? Anything else I should consider? Thanx NGL --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower
Lol. yup big ass box rules! You have been tons of help! Thanks bro! :-) Liam From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 11:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower Liam is a REALLY good guy. I've been taking time to mentor him and he finally made his first backhaul link. WAY TO GO LIAM! Met him at his first grain leg, climbed it a few times, instructed him. Dropped a rope for him. He's a quick learner and is really dedicated to getting this done RIGHT! (And he calls me ten times a day! Tis okay) Even made his own, Bob Designed Big-Ass-Box for his equipment install at the leg. Any help you guys can give to Liam is appreciated by me as well. He really deserves it. Even though he is AFRAID of HEIGHTS! Sorry dude, I know you gave me 20 bucks not to tell anyone but it was just too sweet. :-) I'll give the 20 bucks back next time we hook up, dude. My bad. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower This is the only reply I got on this. I guess I have no takers. :-( I can become a member today but I highly doubt the sample contracts will be what I am looking for. Thanks Liam From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower If you're a WISPA member, I think the wiki has a number of sample contracts. Chuck Sent from my iPad On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com wrote: I'm looking for a good contract to use for exclusive use of someone's tower. Anyone want to share what they have with us? Would save me tons of time. :-) TX Liam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Second 900mhz AP
I did not realize this was the wireless list and not the Moto List Moto uses 9MHz channels so the 3 non-overlapping are 906, 914, and 924 - CH1 = 902-910 - CH2 = 911-919 - CH3 = 920-928 I can't speak from experience to co-locating multiple 900AP's on a tower without sync. I would think trying to get 3 10MHz channels on the same tower would present a significant limit to the # of subs you could get per AP. However 5MHz channels might provide some decent scalability as long as you aren't trying to provide speeds much more than 3Mbps down but that's just a guess - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 5:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Second 900mhz AP Was that even legal? I thought the 900 MHz spectrum that we are allowed was 902-928. On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Before smartmeters (BC) we had 3 integrated 900's on the same tower at 906, 914, and 930 without issue. It's really about your available spectrum. You need a minimum of 9MHz spacing. 75'of cable should not be a problem other than loss is loss. I would put the AP on the back of the antenna Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Aug 8, 2010, at 3:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I need to add a second AP on a tower and need help. How far apart must the 90 degree sector antenna be placed? Can they be the same polarity? Can I run LMR-400 to them about 70ft? Anything else I should consider? Thanx NGL --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts
Dunno, but since UBNT now has Chuck from Motorola on board (and Motorola does not), I would not be surprised to see some interesting things down the road. Perhaps some sort of synch. If that were added, UBNT would seriously have a product that could come close to the things we like about Canopy. I do run UBNT, but also run/have run/have deployed lots of Canopy and I do see the advantages (no pun intended). You are right about throwing stuff in the trash. Im glad UBNT used Motos idea of the plastic case with the slip on cover. If water *were* to get in, it would easily drain out. On the Nanos (or the Canopys), I have never seen a water issue, so I think that was a good thing to copy. The Deliberant boxes had fancy gaskets (that stretched out and then fell out of the groove) and blots holding the hinged door closed. But I think the water intrusion happened at the bulkhead N connectors on the connectorized ones. They never seemed to tighten successfully and that was where the corrosion was a lot of the time. W4KIP, a great Ham mentor and inventor, taught me many years ago that it was nearly impossible to really waterproof something like that unless you were spending a LOT of money. It was better to just make a way for moisture to drain. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts UBNT is giving me headaches, I have canopy and I am loosing sleep at night because of the price of this UBNT gear and wondering if I should start deploying it or not. There is canopy gear out there that is 5 years old and still in service. Does anyone think that the UBNT gear will last this long or will it be like the 802.11b stuff in a couple years where you were basically throwing it all in the trash? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Hi Faisal and the list We have also been using UBNT quite a bit lately over the last couple of years. Im anxious to try some of the 900 and 3.65 when the time is right. Nano 2 and Nano 5 have been in our arsenal for as long as they have been out. Never had a lick of trouble with them other than a WPA issue on the very first ones. It got fixed quickly in firmware. Have now been using Nano 5M for some short links as well. They seem to work well, giving great throughput, but we have had a couple that want to lock up. Havent put the watchdog on yet. I think the issue is likely with WPA- seems like that has been an issue with several manufacturers who use that chipset. I think the UBNT forum has some threads on that. We try to keep them on the latest firmware (and sometimes on the beta ). We have a PowerStation 5 link with 2 2 dishes going 20+ miles and it just hasnt missed a beat. Recently lightning took out all the Tranzeo and Deliberant on the tower and only 2 things kept on ticking: The Canopy AP and the PowerStation 5. A lot of our old Deliberant and Tranzeo gear is getting eaten by lightning and some of the Deliberant boxes (the gray ones) are beginning to leak and corrode inside, so we are switching to UBNT as that happens. We have a long Rocket 5M link up with 2 dishes and it works pretty well so far. Because of the 20 mile distance, we need to increase dish size though. Signal isnt good enough to use Airmax. Just put up a tower cluster of 3 Rocket 2 radios/sectors replacing some Deliberant 2700s. So far so good, but dont have enough users on it yet to tell about any issues with the sector patterns. We have never used a piece of uncertified gear! I value my license (Amateur one) too much to get involved with illegal activities and the FCC. They tend to go harshly on Licensees for violations even in other services. The Latvians make great routers (we use them almost exclusively) but I wouldnt touch their wireless with a 10 foot pole. There is plenty of reasonably priced great gear out there whose manufacturers do go the extra distance to get certified. Just my .02 from a good old Southern boy. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP H.which models .? What version of firmware. ? We have been using the M gear...and have not seen any lockups Fwiw...the also have watchdog built in for reboots... Faisal On Aug 8, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop.
Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts
Well. I don't know how things are in Ohio... but in our neck of the woods, things are getting interesting. Will high light 3 points, you make your own conclusions. 1. For our area, broadband is pretty much a duopoly . Comcast is doing this http://business.comcast.com/internet/plans.aspx Comcast Resi: 1.5m x 384k $24.95/month 15meg x 3meg $42.95/month ATT DSLResi : . http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=11575source=ICDS25115W0DWPCPO DSL Bussiness: http://smallbusiness.bellsouth.com/internet_dsl_services.html U-Verse Resi : http://www.att.com/u-verse/explore/internet-landing.jsp U-Verse Business http://smallbusiness.bellsouth.com/uverse_internet.html ATT Comcast are now going at it with each other aggressively.. .I just ordered Naked Uverse service for 3 residential locations $24.95 each with $29activation, not install, no contract, no equipment fees, (att will provide onsite install router) 12 month promo... for 18meg x 1 meg service. 2. Our customers are wanting faster internet without having to pay top dollars for it. the direction things are going in ... in most metro areas sub 10meg (asymmetric) are most likely going to be the dialup accounts of yesterday... 3. Questions for WISP's What technology is available on the shelf, even half baked that can be deployed in the field that can allow you to deliver competitive services to your customers ? If you don't do that. then be prepared to be marginalized shortly... Having said that...Our past experience as a Wireline ISP has been that... 3-5 years is a petty good amount of time to get your money's worth from equipment deployed in the field.. after that much time, you have to start a technology replenishment cycle.. Based on what I know, today, UBNT has the most affordable, almost working 95%.baked, 802.11n MIMO gear available and is rapidly making improvements... I also know that there a few other folks feverishly working on getting 802.11n , MIMO radios / drivers / hardware to the market place.. So.. tomorrow is definitely going to be a brighter day for the WISP's... but you have to start laying out strategy / and planning from now... We consider ourselves fortunate, having spent over $10,000 in legacy gear (Alvarion, Trango, Moto Canoly, Staros) which was NEVER Deployed (only tested in the lab..) have choose to start our deployment with the 802.11n Gear from UBNT.. I am sure we will pay a price for learning, as we go along, but it is the only stuff that at the moment has the potential to give us a fighting chance to be able to compete and survive as a decent sized niche provider. (ohh.. did I forget to mention.. in our area.. you have to offer phone services as well.. ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 8/8/2010 7:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: UBNT is giving me headaches, I have canopy and I am loosing sleep at night because of the price of this UBNT gear and wondering if I should start deploying it or not. There is canopy gear out there that is 5 years old and still in service. Does anyone think that the UBNT gear will last this long or will it be like the 802.11b stuff in a couple years where you were basically throwing it all in the trash? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Ralph *Sent:* Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:39 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Hi Faisal and the list We have also been using UBNT quite a bit lately over the last couple of years. I'm anxious to try some of the 900 and 3.65 when the time is right. Nano 2 and Nano 5 have been in our arsenal for as long as they have been out. Never had a lick of trouble with them other than a WPA issue on the very first ones. It got fixed quickly in firmware. Have now been using Nano 5M for some short links as well. They seem to work well, giving great throughput, but we have had a couple that want to lock up. Haven't put the watchdog on yet. I think the issue is likely with WPA- seems like that has been an issue with several manufacturers who use that chipset. I think the UBNT forum has some threads on that. We try to keep them on the latest firmware (and sometimes on the beta ). We have a PowerStation 5 link with 2 2' dishes going 20+ miles and it just hasn't missed a beat. Recently lightning took out all the Tranzeo and Deliberant on the tower and only 2 things kept on ticking: The Canopy AP and the PowerStation 5. A lot of our old Deliberant and Tranzeo gear is getting eaten by lightning and some of the Deliberant boxes (the gray ones) are
Re: [WISPA] Radwin Management program
Each version of the Radwin/Ceragon product has a management version. Which version is running on your link? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Does anyone have the program to manage a Radwin 1000? I'd appreciate a copy. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
I've had great luck with Pico units for short distances. On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. *--- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer **Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net *LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com - Author of Learn RouterOS http://www.routerosbook.com/ * *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts
Those prices are crazy on the DSL, 15/month without phone line with no contract, how can any wireless provider compete. However whats going to happen when they have that many DSL subs with the crosstalk? Will their service degrade? Also, I have been looking at the Moto PMP430 series and I hear rumors of a 2.4ghz OFDM line coming, (my prayers may be answered). These products would be equivalent to the UBNT MIMO in speeds. Im not too crazy about the UBNT plastic shell as they just seem of less quality when you stick them side by side to the Moto gear. I doubt we will be seeing SYNC on the UBNT stuff anytime soon, might even require a complete new product line. However, considering the MOTO gear has sync TODAY and the same throughput as UBNT MIMO and the moto stuff is non-MIMO, I would go with the MOTO because I can put up an Omni versus the UBNT I need a bunch of sectors. Also if the market plays like it did with the old Canopy FSK gear at least our equipment will hold re-sale value if we do have to change it down the road versus the UBNT I fear you will have a hard time finding someone to give it away too. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Well. I don't know how things are in Ohio... but in our neck of the woods, things are getting interesting. Will high light 3 points, you make your own conclusions. 1. For our area, broadband is pretty much a duopoly . Comcast is doing this http://business.comcast.com/internet/plans.aspx Comcast Resi: 1.5m x 384k $24.95/month 15meg x 3meg $42.95/month ATT DSLResi : . http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=11575 http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=11575source=ICDS25115W0DWPCPO source=ICDS25115W0DWPCPO DSL Bussiness: http://smallbusiness.bellsouth.com/internet_dsl_services.html U-Verse Resi : http://www.att.com/u-verse/explore/internet-landing.jsp U-Verse Business http://smallbusiness.bellsouth.com/uverse_internet.html ATT Comcast are now going at it with each other aggressively.. .I just ordered Naked Uverse service for 3 residential locations $24.95 each with $29activation, not install, no contract, no equipment fees, (att will provide onsite install router) 12 month promo... for 18meg x 1 meg service. 2. Our customers are wanting faster internet without having to pay top dollars for it. the direction things are going in ... in most metro areas sub 10meg (asymmetric) are most likely going to be the dialup accounts of yesterday... 3. Questions for WISP's What technology is available on the shelf, even half baked that can be deployed in the field that can allow you to deliver competitive services to your customers ? If you don't do that. then be prepared to be marginalized shortly... Having said that...Our past experience as a Wireline ISP has been that... 3-5 years is a petty good amount of time to get your money's worth from equipment deployed in the field.. after that much time, you have to start a technology replenishment cycle.. Based on what I know, today, UBNT has the most affordable, almost working 95%.baked, 802.11n MIMO gear available and is rapidly making improvements... I also know that there a few other folks feverishly working on getting 802.11n , MIMO radios / drivers / hardware to the market place.. So.. tomorrow is definitely going to be a brighter day for the WISP's... but you have to start laying out strategy / and planning from now... We consider ourselves fortunate, having spent over $10,000 in legacy gear (Alvarion, Trango, Moto Canoly, Staros) which was NEVER Deployed (only tested in the lab..) have choose to start our deployment with the 802.11n Gear from UBNT.. I am sure we will pay a price for learning, as we go along, but it is the only stuff that at the moment has the potential to give us a fighting chance to be able to compete and survive as a decent sized niche provider. (ohh.. did I forget to mention.. in our area.. you have to offer phone services as well.. ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 8/8/2010 7:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: UBNT is giving me headaches, I have canopy and I am loosing sleep at night because of the price of this UBNT gear and wondering if I should start deploying it or not. There is canopy gear out there that is 5 years old and still in service. Does anyone think that the UBNT gear will last this long or will it be like the 802.11b stuff in a couple years where you were basically throwing it all in the trash? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From:
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
I hear ya, my brother. Had 2 Bullet M5s Stop this week. Had to go out to do a simple reboot. The magic reboot fixed all. I wish the UBNT firmware had a reboot at X day or time function. Id certainly use it. Me- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com - Author of http://www.routerosbook.com/ Learn RouterOS From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
I’ve had various lockups with them. “Mysterious” lockups. They no longer respond will not pass traffic. The power light and network light are all lit but no RSSI lights are lit. All running current firmware, not BETA. After reboot, all good. No idea what causes it. Had issues with the rockets after doing connfigs but that issue went away with a firmware upgrade. Joe- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP H.which models .? What version of firmware. ? We have been using the M gear...and have not seen any lockups Fwiw...the also have watchdog built in for reboots... Faisal On Aug 8, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com - Author of http://www.routerosbook.com/ Learn RouterOS From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts
Lockups with watchdog enabled also. Doesn’t help in my case. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Hi Faisal and the list We have also been using UBNT quite a bit lately over the last couple of years. I’m anxious to try some of the 900 and 3.65 when the time is right. Nano 2 and Nano 5 have been in our arsenal for as long as they have been out. Never had a lick of trouble with them other than a WPA issue on the very first ones. It got fixed quickly in firmware. Have now been using Nano 5M for some short links as well. They seem to work well, giving great throughput, but we have had a couple that want to lock up. Haven’t put the watchdog on yet. I think the issue is likely with WPA- seems like that has been an issue with several manufacturers who use that chipset. I think the UBNT forum has some threads on that. We try to keep them on the latest firmware (and sometimes on the beta ). We have a PowerStation 5 link with 2 2’ dishes going 20+ miles and it just hasn’t missed a beat. Recently lightning took out all the Tranzeo and Deliberant on the tower and only 2 things kept on ticking: The Canopy AP and the PowerStation 5. A lot of our old Deliberant and Tranzeo gear is getting eaten by lightning and some of the Deliberant boxes (the gray ones) are beginning to leak and corrode inside, so we are switching to UBNT as that happens. We have a long Rocket 5M link up with 2’ dishes and it works pretty well so far. Because of the 20 mile distance, we need to increase dish size though. Signal isn’t good enough to use Airmax. Just put up a tower cluster of 3 Rocket 2 radios/sectors replacing some Deliberant 2700s. So far so good, but don’t have enough users on it yet to tell about any issues with the sector patterns. We have never used a piece of uncertified gear! I value my license (Amateur one) too much to get involved with illegal activities and the FCC. They tend to go harshly on Licensees for violations even in other services. The Latvians make great routers (we use them almost exclusively) but I wouldn’t touch their wireless with a 10 foot pole. There is plenty of reasonably priced great gear out there whose manufacturers do go the extra distance to get certified. Just my .02 from a good old Southern boy. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP H.which models .? What version of firmware. ? We have been using the M gear...and have not seen any lockups Fwiw...the also have watchdog built in for reboots... Faisal On Aug 8, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com - Author of http://www.routerosbook.com/ Learn RouterOS From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts
Use a mix of what you need. UBNT for the quick and dirty, Canopy for the difficult links. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts UBNT is giving me headaches, I have canopy and I am loosing sleep at night because of the price of this UBNT gear and wondering if I should start deploying it or not. There is canopy gear out there that is 5 years old and still in service. Does anyone think that the UBNT gear will last this long or will it be like the 802.11b stuff in a couple years where you were basically throwing it all in the trash? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Hi Faisal and the list We have also been using UBNT quite a bit lately over the last couple of years. Im anxious to try some of the 900 and 3.65 when the time is right. Nano 2 and Nano 5 have been in our arsenal for as long as they have been out. Never had a lick of trouble with them other than a WPA issue on the very first ones. It got fixed quickly in firmware. Have now been using Nano 5M for some short links as well. They seem to work well, giving great throughput, but we have had a couple that want to lock up. Havent put the watchdog on yet. I think the issue is likely with WPA- seems like that has been an issue with several manufacturers who use that chipset. I think the UBNT forum has some threads on that. We try to keep them on the latest firmware (and sometimes on the beta ). We have a PowerStation 5 link with 2 2 dishes going 20+ miles and it just hasnt missed a beat. Recently lightning took out all the Tranzeo and Deliberant on the tower and only 2 things kept on ticking: The Canopy AP and the PowerStation 5. A lot of our old Deliberant and Tranzeo gear is getting eaten by lightning and some of the Deliberant boxes (the gray ones) are beginning to leak and corrode inside, so we are switching to UBNT as that happens. We have a long Rocket 5M link up with 2 dishes and it works pretty well so far. Because of the 20 mile distance, we need to increase dish size though. Signal isnt good enough to use Airmax. Just put up a tower cluster of 3 Rocket 2 radios/sectors replacing some Deliberant 2700s. So far so good, but dont have enough users on it yet to tell about any issues with the sector patterns. We have never used a piece of uncertified gear! I value my license (Amateur one) too much to get involved with illegal activities and the FCC. They tend to go harshly on Licensees for violations even in other services. The Latvians make great routers (we use them almost exclusively) but I wouldnt touch their wireless with a 10 foot pole. There is plenty of reasonably priced great gear out there whose manufacturers do go the extra distance to get certified. Just my .02 from a good old Southern boy. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP H.which models .? What version of firmware. ? We have been using the M gear...and have not seen any lockups Fwiw...the also have watchdog built in for reboots... Faisal On Aug 8, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com - Author of http://www.routerosbook.com/ Learn RouterOS From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent:
Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower
And like Rickesha, you never call me anymore! No calls from Liam in 3 days, Either you now know it all or your wife is making you pay attention to her. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower Lol... yup big ass box rules! You have been tons of help! Thanks bro! J Liam _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 11:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower Liam is a REALLY good guy. I've been taking time to mentor him and he finally made his first backhaul link. WAY TO GO LIAM! Met him at his first grain leg, climbed it a few times, instructed him. Dropped a rope for him. He's a quick learner and is really dedicated to getting this done RIGHT! (And he calls me ten times a day! Tis okay..) Even made his own, Bob Designed Big-Ass-Box for his equipment install at the leg. Any help you guys can give to Liam is appreciated by me as well. He really deserves it. Even though he is AFRAID of HEIGHTS! Sorry dude, I know you gave me 20 bucks not to tell anyone but it was just too sweet. J I'll give the 20 bucks back next time we hook up, dude. My bad. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower This is the only reply I got on this. I guess I have no takers. L I can become a member today but I highly doubt the sample contracts will be what I am looking for. Thanks Liam _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower If you're a WISPA member, I think the wiki has a number of sample contracts. Chuck Sent from my iPad On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com wrote: I'm looking for a good contract to use for exclusive use of someone's tower. Anyone want to share what they have with us? Would save me tons of time. J TX Liam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts
Synch would be orgasmic. Then UBNT will take over the WORLD! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Dunno, but since UBNT now has Chuck from Motorola on board (and Motorola does not), I would not be surprised to see some interesting things down the road. Perhaps some sort of synch. If that were added, UBNT would seriously have a product that could come close to the things we like about Canopy. I do run UBNT, but also run/have run/have deployed lots of Canopy and I do see the advantages (no pun intended). You are right about throwing stuff in the trash. Im glad UBNT used Motos idea of the plastic case with the slip on cover. If water *were* to get in, it would easily drain out. On the Nanos (or the Canopys), I have never seen a water issue, so I think that was a good thing to copy. The Deliberant boxes had fancy gaskets (that stretched out and then fell out of the groove) and blots holding the hinged door closed. But I think the water intrusion happened at the bulkhead N connectors on the connectorized ones. They never seemed to tighten successfully and that was where the corrosion was a lot of the time. W4KIP, a great Ham mentor and inventor, taught me many years ago that it was nearly impossible to really waterproof something like that unless you were spending a LOT of money. It was better to just make a way for moisture to drain. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts UBNT is giving me headaches, I have canopy and I am loosing sleep at night because of the price of this UBNT gear and wondering if I should start deploying it or not. There is canopy gear out there that is 5 years old and still in service. Does anyone think that the UBNT gear will last this long or will it be like the 802.11b stuff in a couple years where you were basically throwing it all in the trash? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Hi Faisal and the list We have also been using UBNT quite a bit lately over the last couple of years. Im anxious to try some of the 900 and 3.65 when the time is right. Nano 2 and Nano 5 have been in our arsenal for as long as they have been out. Never had a lick of trouble with them other than a WPA issue on the very first ones. It got fixed quickly in firmware. Have now been using Nano 5M for some short links as well. They seem to work well, giving great throughput, but we have had a couple that want to lock up. Havent put the watchdog on yet. I think the issue is likely with WPA- seems like that has been an issue with several manufacturers who use that chipset. I think the UBNT forum has some threads on that. We try to keep them on the latest firmware (and sometimes on the beta ). We have a PowerStation 5 link with 2 2 dishes going 20+ miles and it just hasnt missed a beat. Recently lightning took out all the Tranzeo and Deliberant on the tower and only 2 things kept on ticking: The Canopy AP and the PowerStation 5. A lot of our old Deliberant and Tranzeo gear is getting eaten by lightning and some of the Deliberant boxes (the gray ones) are beginning to leak and corrode inside, so we are switching to UBNT as that happens. We have a long Rocket 5M link up with 2 dishes and it works pretty well so far. Because of the 20 mile distance, we need to increase dish size though. Signal isnt good enough to use Airmax. Just put up a tower cluster of 3 Rocket 2 radios/sectors replacing some Deliberant 2700s. So far so good, but dont have enough users on it yet to tell about any issues with the sector patterns. We have never used a piece of uncertified gear! I value my license (Amateur one) too much to get involved with illegal activities and the FCC. They tend to go harshly on Licensees for violations even in other services. The Latvians make great routers (we use them almost exclusively) but I wouldnt touch their wireless with a 10 foot pole. There is plenty of reasonably priced great gear out there whose manufacturers do go the extra distance to get certified. Just my .02 from a good old Southern boy. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP H.which models .? What version of firmware. ? We have been using the M gear...and have not seen any lockups Fwiw...the also have watchdog built in for
Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts
BTW... as I have said earlier.. the UBNT is 95% baked...and work in progress.. Earlier in the day there was a post on the UBNT forum, claiming that a software bug has been identified which was causing the Ap Sm not to pass any dataand is expected to the fixed shortly.. I would suggest that you keep an eye out for that.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/9/2010 12:54 AM, Robert West wrote: Lockups with watchdog enabled also. Doesn’t help in my case. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Ralph *Sent:* Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:39 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Hi Faisal and the list We have also been using UBNT quite a bit lately over the last couple of years. I’m anxious to try some of the 900 and 3.65 when the time is right. Nano 2 and Nano 5 have been in our arsenal for as long as they have been out. Never had a lick of trouble with them other than a WPA issue on the very first ones. It got fixed quickly in firmware. Have now been using Nano 5M for some short links as well. They seem to work well, giving great throughput, but we have had a couple that want to lock up. Haven’t put the watchdog on yet. I think the issue is likely with WPA- seems like that has been an issue with several manufacturers who use that chipset. I think the UBNT forum has some threads on that. We try to keep them on the latest firmware (and sometimes on the beta ). We have a PowerStation 5 link with 2 2’ dishes going 20+ miles and it just hasn’t missed a beat. Recently lightning took out all the Tranzeo and Deliberant on the tower and only 2 things kept on ticking: The Canopy AP and the PowerStation 5. A lot of our old Deliberant and Tranzeo gear is getting eaten by lightning and some of the Deliberant boxes (the gray ones) are beginning to leak and corrode inside, so we are switching to UBNT as that happens. We have a long Rocket 5M link up with 2’ dishes and it works pretty well so far. Because of the 20 mile distance, we need to increase dish size though. Signal isn’t good enough to use Airmax. Just put up a tower cluster of 3 Rocket 2 radios/sectors replacing some Deliberant 2700s. So far so good, but don’t have enough users on it yet to tell about any issues with the sector patterns. We have never used a piece of uncertified gear! I value my license (Amateur one) too much to get involved with illegal activities and the FCC. They tend to go harshly on Licensees for violations even in other services. The Latvians make great routers (we use them almost exclusively) but I wouldn’t touch their wireless with a 10 foot pole. There is plenty of reasonably priced great gear out there whose manufacturers do go the extra distance to get certified. Just my .02 from a good old Southern boy. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz *Sent:* Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:23 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP H.which models .? What version of firmware. ? We have been using the M gear...and have not seen any lockups Fwiw...the also have watchdog built in for reboots... Faisal On Aug 8, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. *--- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer **Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com - Author of Learn RouterOS http://www.routerosbook.com/ /* *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis
