Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
Bob - your using time warners bandwidth - simply use theirs - your ip ranges are theirs anyhow - best results - as I have found :-) On Sep 12, 2010, at 11:03 PM, Robert West wrote: I use Speedtest.Net for my own tests to verify my CPE settings. Yeah, sometimes it sucks but I have to

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread RickG
Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread j2840fl
Yep,set burst at cpe,works very nice! Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 23:24:20 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread j2840fl
Dave,I'm fairly sure moto let's you set the burst on the sm,same place you set the ul/dl speeds. Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: David Williamson dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 23:35:23 To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett
Mikrotik routers would handle all of this. If I'd done it, I'd tell you how. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 3:24 AM, RickG wrote: Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered,

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Nick Olsen
Its worse then that here. Were 6ms off the local speedtest server. And it still gives us crap. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] WaveRider LMS 3000

2010-09-13 Thread my_em...@webjogger.net
An elevated noise floor will push your avg rssi levels up basically making your acceptable EUM signal levels higher than usual. A typical EUM under perfect conditions can have link up to -89, but with an elevated noise floor the acceptable signal level becomes higher and higher. You'll need

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Jerry Richardson
You need a router or bandwidth shaper that limits the burst rate independently of the SM. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Sep 13, 2010, at 1:25 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Jerry Richardson
All you need to do is cap the max data rate. Let the sm handle bursting. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:32 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I didnt catch that part from Bob but thats what I'm thinking. So, I'll add bursting to my RB1000.

[WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Steve Barnes
All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Josh Luthman
What kind of bandwidth are you pushing through the ap now? On Sep 13, 2010 1:32 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Steve Barnes
At peak times I am running about 4-6M 95th percentile on this one AP. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:34 PM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Bret Clark
Can you go to a bigger channel size? Are the CPE's running any form of QoS? On 09/13/2010 01:43 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: *At peak times I am running about 4-6M 95^th percentile on this one AP. * * * *Steve Barnes * RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:*

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Josh Luthman
Or have you tried different channels? Is it a newer radio in the MT so you can do a spectrum analysis? I would expect up to 15 megs aggregate out of a 10Mhz 802.11a AP and if you are at 1/3 of that then bandwidth isn't an issue. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Forbes Mercy
From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Steve Barnes
I guess I didn't make myself clear. They are not concerned about slow speeds of downloads more of a matter that there is 60 clients hitting an AP with no TDMA or any kind of timing and they start griping about their VOIP. I was always told that on a 20 mhz 802.11b/g network that you were best

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread John Vogel
Can the UBNT co-exist with MT APs in the same environment or will the UBNT wipe out all other 802.11x based APs on nearby channels within hearing distance? On 9/13/2010 1:10 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I

Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis

2010-09-13 Thread Justin Wilson
Cheapest depends on location. I have seen Cogent in the sub $1 per meg in places. I have seen Hurricane Electric meet or beat cogent pricing in other markets. I have seen level3 beat cogent pricing in certain markets. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Josh Luthman
I see, you're talking about quality not raw speeds - you said complaints about slowdowns. I would say TDMA would be the best bet to solve this problem cost effectively. If you half the channel size, half the number of clients. Not the other way around. Can the UBNT co-exist Contract issues

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Bret Clark
We enabled WMM on our Mikrotik's and then just added a Mangle rule to ensure the DSCP was marked correctly, this solved VoIP issues for our users. On 09/13/2010 02:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I see, you're talking about quality not raw speeds - you said complaints about slowdowns. I would say

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Steve Barnes
Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Josh Luthman
I think Airmax is a transport protocol, like 802.11a/b/g/n. The way I understand it, to do 802.11n (or Airmax MIMO) you need two streams. If it catches only one stream, it falls back to a/g. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Justin Wilson
Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Forbes Mercy
Steve, All of our 2.4 are Mikrotik and we're pretty happy with that but as you say past 50 it starts to get pretty ugly. We added an M2 and put some dual polarity CPE out there, they worked great with it. We turned Airmax off because we had a non-M2 UBNT radio that we wanted to connect, it

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Steve Barnes
Glenn, My concern is I already have 58 clients on a MT AP. I need Double that. Your saying you don't see more than 50 working right. Please explain. UBNT says 300 Clients per AP no problem. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From:

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
If your mixing non airmax with airmax - about 50 is the max if not - then seems much better - just run airmax :-) hope that helps On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Glenn, My concern is I already have 58 clients on a MT AP. I need Double that. Your saying you don’t see

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Pat O'Connor
In my experience Tranzeo and UBNT don't play nice together. If you don't mind switching out your tranzeo CPE's with UBNT gear you'll be fine. Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get

[WISPA] Taking Mikrotik down

2010-09-13 Thread Forbes Mercy
Brett, I'm impressed with your knowledge of Mikrotik programming so I wanted to ask you this. Last week and further back about four times a week we had a cascading crash of our bridged network whereas the LAN side of the Mikrotik Backhauls would crash presumably from traffic. Wireshark

Re: [WISPA] Taking Mikrotik down

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
On your ubnt equipment - did you enable stp ? using a syslog -? might show a good amount of info if so On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Brett, I'm impressed with your knowledge of Mikrotik programming so I wanted to ask you this. Last week and further back about four times

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Tony C. Loosle
I think UBNT means 300 per cell or per 3 radios. So, only 100 per ap radio. t Glenn, My concern is I already have 58 clients on a MT AP. I need Double that. Your saying you don’t see more than 50 working right. Please explain. UBNT says 300 Clients per AP no problem. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett
More than 50 per any AP and you're running out of bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 2:13 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Travis Johnson
And I think that's a very optimistic number even at that... but time will tell. Travis Microserv On 9/13/2010 1:53 PM, Tony C. Loosle wrote: I think UBNT means 300 per cell or per 3 radios. So, only 100 per ap radio. t Glenn, My concern is I already have 58 clients on a MT AP. I need

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Steve Barnes
Mike explain. Doesn't that depend on your over subscription and queues. We use MT control queues and sell a 1024 X 256 and 2048 X 51 service off this tower. I feed it with a 20Mb Link. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Chris Wallace
Try the Fort Myers, FL site. I host that server here in our facility. ---Chris On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Nick Olsen wrote: Its worse then that here. Were 6ms off the local speedtest server. And it still gives us crap. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From:

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, it is dependent on what you sell, but I believe we should be selling bigger and bigger packages and to future-proof ourselves from the oncoming video surge. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 3:01 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Mike

Re: [WISPA] Taking Mikrotik down

2010-09-13 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 12:30 -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: Brett, Not sure who Brett is, but... Wireshark showed some anomalies such as IPv6 traffic There is more IPV6 traffic on the network than most people realize. I've got captures from about 40 networks dating back to about a year and a

Re: [WISPA] Taking Mikrotik down

2010-09-13 Thread Kristian Hoffmann
We inherited a bridged network (bridged EoIP tunnels over routing w/OSPF) that had similar problems. It turned out to be caused by Belkin (and similar) routers that resend packets they don't think they should have received (or don't know what to do with) back out their WAN interface. If you have

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Jeremie Chism
Agreed. Here where I am at 3 Meg is the lower end. People are used to having more and more bandwidth. Most of my customers are in the 6-8 Meg range with some wanting 10-15. It doesn't matter that they really don't need more that probably 4. That is what the customer wants so I guess that is

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Chris Hudson
I have 50 to 70 clients on a b MT AP and it handles it fine. I've even heard of over 100 on a only-g MT AP. Chris - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the

Re: [WISPA] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template

2010-09-13 Thread Randy Cosby
How long does it typically take for these to show up when submitted? I put one in this morning (and didn't bother to record the confirmation number), but don't see it there yet. Randy On 9/13/2010 3:12 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: *UPDATE: WISP Filing updates are beginning to show up in the

[WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] Re: [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template

2010-09-13 Thread Rick Harnish
From: Rick Harnish [mailto:rharn...@wispa.org] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 5:32 PM To: 'motor...@afmug.com' Subject: RE: [Motorola II] Re: [WISPA] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template Usually 12-24 hours not counting weekends. I'm sure the FCC wants to

[WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] RE: [WISPA Members] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template

2010-09-13 Thread Rick Harnish
From: Rick Harnish [mailto:rharn...@wispa.org] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 5:53 PM To: 'motor...@afmug.com' Subject: RE: [Motorola II] RE: [WISPA Members] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template Adam, Steve Coran said we should use Ex Parte for the

[WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Nick White
Hi All, I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have two towers, one is North, 10 miles from the town, the other is East, 11 miles from the town. This town is heavily covered by trees. Most customers thus far have no LOS to either tower, or are skimming the

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Josh Luthman
900 won't do 10 megs. Get on the tower with a Ubiquiti and the dual pol panels (powerbridge?) and put up an omni or sector with 2.4 or 5. Depending on terrain all subs under a mile should be fine. On Sep 13, 2010 6:58 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Greg Ihnen
Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The towers feeding the town from both sides, and a mesh through out town? Greg On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Nick White wrote: Hi All, I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have two towers, one is North, 10

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread j2840fl
I use it for all,they always exceed the contracted rates,no complaint from any! Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:32:25 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
I have not seen mesh done on the cheap however but open to some ideas for sure On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The towers feeding the town from both sides, and a mesh through out town? Greg On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM,

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Philip Dorr
how about Ubiquti with Openmesh On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have not seen mesh done on the cheap however but open to some ideas for sure On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
Is there a way to do openmesh without having to give them revenue? On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: how about Ubiquti with Openmesh _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I have a 'town' I have setup like that (just a large group of towns, they call it a village). A couple PowerStation2's fed from 5ghz covers it well. I also made a few key locations AP's. I take the clients AP's and make them switchs, disabling the wifi. Then add a name on my units for them to use.

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Nick White
I have another town where we are on a hilltop right in the middle of town, the hilltop is about 600-700 feet above the town. All four APs on this are 5.8Ghz. I have one customer shooting straight through a tree, he's about a quarter mile from the AP, and he's got a -58 signal on a Nanostation

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Jeremie Chism
I am unaware of the 99 limit. I actually have a set at 185 ft. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax -

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
I can ask our licensing guy - he had seemed for some reason to think this was the rule. Thanks for the heads up.. worth asking again @ least. I have a location I can use it now - (to get to my own home) - we are looking @ 290 foot - or want to @ least Thanks On Sep 13, 2010, at 8:01 PM,

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Correction, large group of houses. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have a 'town' I have setup like that (just a large group of towns, they call it a village). A couple PowerStation2's fed from 5ghz covers it well. I also made a few key locations

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/13/2010 07:02 PM, you wrote: 900 won't do 10 megs. The new Ubiquiti M-series Airmax 900 MHz radios should do it. MCS10 in a 5 MHz quarter-channel is around 10 Mbps. A lower-loss path could allow MCS11 or MCS12. While you can't synchronize sectors, they look like they will outperform

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
But then I'm pinging within network and that tells me nothing. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Bob - your using

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
Advanced tab. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 4:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
I just wish that UBNT would have a burst TIME limit like Mikrotik does. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of j284...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
Yep. Was playing with that today, actually. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 8:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Mikrotik routers would handle all of this. If

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
I've now been defaulted to PIKETON!Piketon is in the middle of nowhere and is a defunct nuclear plutonium enrichment facility for the US government. MIDDLE OF THE STICKS! HA! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
With the low cost of Ubnt gear, why not run real relays? The area is small enough to not need a unreasonable amount of relays. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/13/2010 07:02 PM, you wrote: 900 won't do 10 megs. The new Ubiquiti M-series Airmax

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
Works fine. I’m now 99.999% UBNT! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Taking the plunge All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
Bursting rocks! But do it on the CPE and CHARGE for it if you can. Heck, 5 bucks extra? Could be a profit center. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/13/2010 09:23 PM, you wrote: With the low cost of Ubnt gear, why not run real relays? The area is small enough to not need a unreasonable amount of relays. What do you mean by real relays? A mesh or routed network or whatever you want to call it is a set of relays. I may be missing out

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Greg Ihnen
Backhauls? Greg On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 9/13/2010 09:23 PM, you wrote: With the low cost of Ubnt gear, why not run real relays? The area is small enough to not need a unreasonable amount of relays. What do you mean by real relays? A mesh or routed network or

[WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted!

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
I know you got 'em. I'm looking for some nice pics of the various ways of mounting sector antennas. I have a tower with 5 to 10 and even 20 structural tube to mount to, three sided classic 1980's tower. 300 footer. I'm the king at ripping off designs and welding up my own (sorry, my bad)

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread RickG
Steve, After several firmware updates and configurations, I finally have the warm fuzzies about my RocketM5 sectors. These 4 sectors are on my main tower and are backhauls for my whole network! I have not had time to work with my 2.4 sectors since the last go around was a flop. After upgrading

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread RickG
Did you do that in your firewall, the ap, or both? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote: We enabled WMM on our Mikrotik's and then just added a Mangle rule to ensure the DSCP was marked correctly, this solved VoIP issues for our users. On 09/13/2010

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 10:40 PM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread RickG
From what I can tell, any legacy radio, including UBNT's own do not get along with M AP's. I've had issues and have been switching out M AP's for standard UBNT units on my repeaters to resolve the problem. Once I have client base switched out to M units, I'll switch back to M AP's. MM's - do you

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Sorry, when ever people talk about mesh they most often mean 1 radio meshing. Multiradio relays generally do not benefit from most of the mesh software. OSPF or rSTP works very well and are generally stable and are generally supported and have many tools. I keep everything off the radio I possibly

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread RickG
Whats the .001 unit? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Works fine. I’m now 99.999% UBNT! *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Barnes *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 1:32 PM *To:*

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread RickG
I currently let the SM do both. I swap back forth on what to let the SM do and what to have the firewall do. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: All you need to do is cap the max data rate. Let the sm handle bursting. Jerry Richardson Sent

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread RickG
I get it now. Missing a lot of sleep lately. So, how many bytes do you allow the bursting for? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Advanced tab. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG

Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread RickG
Ditto. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I just wish that UBNT would have a burst TIME limit like Mikrotik does. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of j284...@yahoo.com

Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted!

2010-09-13 Thread Justin Wilson
Lots of pics on our blog at: http://www.mtin.net/blog . Tagged under tower and install. Also have a gallery under Facebook. Hit me offline for more. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ­ Follow me on Twitter Wisp

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/13/2010 10:57 PM, Jeromie wrote: Sorry, when ever people talk about mesh they most often mean 1 radio meshing. First-generation mesh networks with one radio were awful. I didn't think that was what Greg had in mind. Second-generation mesh networks separated the backhaul (meshing) from

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Philip Dorr
probably a mikrotik router or two On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Whats the .001 unit? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Works fine.  I’m now 99.999% UBNT! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/13/2010 10:43 PM, Robert West wrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Why not? I'm working on a design now that has 15-20 access points fed from a sector antenna on a tower. (I couldn't put that many

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread RickG
Your welcome! I put them up earlier this year. The first station was a RocketM5 Dish, 13 miles out. Truly set it and forget it! It worked so well that it threw me for a loop when I had issues with the 2.4 sectors. At any rate, I've been adding UBNT M5 dishes and other M5 units as backhauls to the

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread RickG
I know a guy in Florida who put up a PTP link for every customer! Of course, that was from the rooftop of a high rise. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 9/13/2010 10:43 PM, Robert West wrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE

Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted!

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
Nice. Is that angle iron for the standoff? Hopefully NOT Home Depot wire ties though. I HATE their military rated wire ties. What a joke, as I've said before and not so nicely. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
Yep. Just one last lonely 433 board with an XR2 card. However we DO still use a 600a at the shop. BUT..! Working on putting another 433 back into service for a weird install with another XR2 card and a couple of Luxul circular polarized antennas. All from the Junk Pile.A

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
Winter break? That's when I spend all night up on a tower in the carharts, ski mask and goggles... No break! This year I may add a flask of rum to the tool bucket. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
Kinky. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge I know a guy in Florida who put up a PTP link for every customer! Of course, that

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Robert West
You be right! I have one hub with multiple backhauls on it. My problem was always the sectors being 15 to 19dbi gain but the grids being a good 29. My furthest out is 20 miles, not good for a 15dbi sector, but most other AP's can see the hub's sectors at at least a -74. In fact, I've USED