Re: [WISPA] VoIP Providers

2010-10-04 Thread Robert West
Hit.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Layne Sisk
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:31 PM
To: WISPA General List; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP Providers

 

I can put you in touch with a good business provider.  Hit me offlist for
more info.

 

-Layne

 

Layne Sisk

ServerPlus.com

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Robert West
Sent: Fri 10/1/2010 6:51 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] VoIP Providers

Phone contract with Time Warner is about up and looking for some cheaper
options.  Anyone using a VoIP provider for business phones?  Thought about
doing VoIP myself but too much on my plate as it is.

 

Thanks!

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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[WISPA] Bye, for now

2010-10-04 Thread Patrick Leary
Hello All,

I wanted to drop a post to the community that effective this week, I
will no longer be with Aperto Networks/Tranzeo. Should you have any
commercial questions for Aperto, direct them to Jeff Piper at
jpi...@apertonet.com.

I'll be looking for new ways to contribute to the community, which
continues to be a dynamic and interesting place even after my eleven
years. With the new White Spaces, things may get even more interesting
in the months and years ahead. I can be reach directly via my number and
personal e-mail below and I look forward to hearing from folks and
keeping my finger on the pulse on the wireless market as things shake
out.

Your friend,

Patrick

Patrick Leary
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[WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Roger Howard
What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
for something before giving you a quote.

Thanks,
Roger



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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Charles N Wyble
  On 10/04/2010 12:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
 What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
 asks what you are paying right now.

Hmmm. I've never been asked that. Usually they give me a rough quote 
right on the phone for 1/2/5/7 year contract length. Usually I'll say 
something like oh that's in the ballpark of what other vendors are 
giving me.

   Do you tell them, and if you do,
 won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?

I wouldn't tell them. I would say it's none of their business.

 Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
 for something before giving you a quote.

They would probably up the price.




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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Jason Hensley
I just tell them that price is part of the reason that we're looking and
that we are getting prices from multiple vendors but that I'm not willing to
share what I'm paying right now. 



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What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
for something before giving you a quote.

Thanks,
Roger




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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Cameron Kilton
I just laugh at them and say, wouldn't you like to know


Thanks,
Cameron Kilton


On 10/4/2010 3:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
 What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
 asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
 won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
 Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
 for something before giving you a quote.

 Thanks,
 Roger


 
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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread support
  Tell them you pay $200 per month for A 50/50 meg link can you beat 
that? :)

On 10/4/2010 2:46 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote:
 I just laugh at them and say, wouldn't you like to know


 Thanks,
 Cameron Kilton


 On 10/4/2010 3:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
 What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
 asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
 won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
 Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
 for something before giving you a quote.

 Thanks,
 Roger


 
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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Matt Jenkins




I can get Cogent for $600 per month for 100/100 meg!
Just have to BH it 44 miles.. 

On 10/04/2010 12:55 PM, support wrote:

Tell them you pay $200 per month for A 50/50 meg link can you beat 
that? :)

On 10/4/2010 2:46 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote:
  
  
I just laugh at them and say, wouldn't you like to know


Thanks,
Cameron Kilton


On 10/4/2010 3:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:


  What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
for something before giving you a quote.

Thanks,
Roger



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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
That question is a quiet normal one for folks to ask, there isn't any 
particular motivation behind this.

Because IP Bandwidth is such a commodity product, a lot of folks will 
ask you such questions in order to determine what sort of product / 
package you are looking for. Many times they will ask you as to what is 
your budget for this ?

We are in very competitive Metro area's, we commonly use such dialog to 
negotiate with the providers.

There is a series of questions that the Bandwidth vendor has to get 
answers to so that they can determine what to propose to you.

... Are they pricing from their POP or are they going to have to 
purchase private transport to bring the Bandwidth to you ?

...Are you looking for small amount of bandwidth ? 10meg 20meg etc ? or 
are you looking for larger amount... 100meg or higher ?

If there is no 'private transport' involved, then paying $10 to $50 / 
meg for small amount of bandwith is not unreasonable (less than 10megs) 
and when you get to 100meg on a Gig E (Ethernet connection) then you 
should be seeing $3 to $10/meg, depending on the provider. For higher 
than 100meg commits, there a folks who will do $1 to $3 /meg.



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Snappy Internet  Telecom

On 10/4/2010 3:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
 What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
 asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
 won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
 Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
 for something before giving you a quote.

 Thanks,
 Roger


 
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Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-04 Thread Chris Hudson
I have the whole 59.0.0.0/8 and 61.0.0.0/8 input chain dropped on my core 
router...

Chris
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert West 
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  Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 4:57 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway


  Just had to deal with a brute force attack on a MT router acting as a 
gateway.  

   

  Came from these two IP addresses..

   

  59.42.10.38 

   

  61.155.5.247

   

  Looked them up, they turn out to be pretty common for this sort of thing.  
Added a firewall rule to drop them and they are no longer filling my log.  

   

  Some may want to do the same for these jokers.

   

  Robert West

  Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

  740-335-7020

   



   



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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Nick Olsen
To answer the OP, No, Don't tell them what you pay, And if you do. Tell 
them something much lower then what you really pay.

rambling
Cogent is cheap (watch for there half price sales...) I've seen 100Mb/s 
from them as low as like $300

Everyone else hates cogent. I had a Verizon rep quote me something like 
$2900 for 100Mb/s (on-net). I laughed at the guy. And he pulled the famous 
line (Level 3 loves this one too), Well, you get access to the proven 
$provider network, Cogent's Network can't compete with ours.

ATT takes the cake however. A real quote from ATT came back for $5465.04 
for 50Mb/s and $9210.78 for 100Mb/s. No, I'm not kidding. You can get way 
better prices though a 3rd party ATT rep. Not sure what they really call 
them (solutions providers?).
/rambling

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(877) 804-3001  x106



From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:56 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

I can get Cogent for $600 per month for 100/100 meg!
Just have to BH it 44 miles.. 

On 10/04/2010 12:55 PM, support wrote:

  Tell them you pay $200 per month for A 50/50 meg link can you beat 
that? :)

On 10/4/2010 2:46 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote:
  

I just laugh at them and say, wouldn't you like to know


Thanks,
Cameron Kilton


On 10/4/2010 3:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:


What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
for something before giving you a quote.

Thanks,
Roger




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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/4/2010 03:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
for something before giving you a quote.

This reminds me of a scam ran in the past decade by a company called 
Norvergence.  They sold phone and Internet service out of a boiler 
room in beautiful downtown Newark, NJ.  The boiler room got their 
salesbozos into the door, where they promised to sell you service at 
a rate equal to on a discount on your current bills, I think 20%.  So 
they demanded your current bills in order to do a quote.  Then they 
got their marks to sign a 5-year contract!

To make it look convincing, they had Adtran sell them a 
private-labeled IAD, which they pretended did all sorts of magic.  In 
many cases it was not even in line; they were just reselling, or 
muxing, a costly T1.  The scam was that they wrote up the 5-year 
contract as a lease on the magic box. and turned around and got banks 
to finance the lease, giving the cash out to Norvergence up 
front.  But the box was really worth $2k, and so Norvergence was 
essentially taking the banks for the anticipated 5-year cash 
flow.  The principals were then pocketing the money... until the 
whole pyramid collapsed. The banks tried to sue the marks for the 
remaining lease payments but I think eventually got stopped.

Moral:  Honest salesbozos don't need to know your real costs.

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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Mike Hammett

 I recently got a $2900 100 meg quote from an ATT reseller.

In today's world (depending on your target audience), a Level 3 or 
Cogent would be better than MCI or ATT.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 10/4/2010 3:30 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
To answer the OP, No, Don't tell them what you pay, And if you do. 
Tell them something much lower then what you really pay.


rambling
Cogent is cheap (watch for there half price sales...) I've seen 
100Mb/s from them as low as like $300


Everyone else hates cogent. I had a Verizon rep quote me something 
like $2900 for 100Mb/s (on-net). I laughed at the guy. And he pulled 
the famous line (Level 3 loves this one too), Well, you get access to 
the proven $provider network, Cogent's Network can't compete with ours.


ATT takes the cake however. A real quote from ATT came back for 
$5465.04 for 50Mb/s and $9210.78 for 100Mb/s. No, I'm not kidding. You 
can get way better prices though a 3rd party ATT rep. Not sure what 
they really call them (solutions providers?).

/rambling

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(877) 804-3001  x106




*From*: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
*Sent*: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:56 PM
*To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

I can get Cogent for $600 per month for 100/100 meg! Just have to BH 
it 44 miles..


On 10/04/2010 12:55 PM, support wrote:

   Tell them you pay $200 per month for A 50/50 meg link can you beat
that? :)

On 10/4/2010 2:46 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote:
   

I just laugh at them and say, wouldn't you like to know


Thanks,
Cameron Kilton


On 10/4/2010 3:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
 

What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
for something before giving you a quote.

Thanks,
Roger



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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Chuck Hogg
Just tell them you signed an NDA and cannot reveal pricing...but that you
can say, it's cheaper than yours...that usually works...tell them to come
back a few times and then that usually knocks off some $$$.  Our last quote
for BW dropped over $800/mth from the original offer.
Regards,

Chuck


On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

  I recently got a $2900 100 meg quote from an ATT reseller.

 In today's world (depending on your target audience), a Level 3 or Cogent
 would be better than MCI or ATT.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com


 On 10/4/2010 3:30 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:

 To answer the OP, No, Don't tell them what you pay, And if you do. Tell
 them something much lower then what you really pay.

 rambling
 Cogent is cheap (watch for there half price sales...) I've seen 100Mb/s
 from them as low as like $300

 Everyone else hates cogent. I had a Verizon rep quote me something like
 $2900 for 100Mb/s (on-net). I laughed at the guy. And he pulled the famous
 line (Level 3 loves this one too), Well, you get access to the proven
 $provider network, Cogent's Network can't compete with ours.

 ATT takes the cake however. A real quote from ATT came back for $5465.04
 for 50Mb/s and $9210.78 for 100Mb/s. No, I'm not kidding. You can get way
 better prices though a 3rd party ATT rep. Not sure what they really call
 them (solutions providers?).
 /rambling

 Nick Olsen
 Network Operations
 (877) 804-3001  x106



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 *Sent*: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:56 PM
 *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

 I can get Cogent for $600 per month for 100/100 meg! Just have to BH it 44
 miles..

 On 10/04/2010 12:55 PM, support wrote:

   Tell them you pay $200 per month for A 50/50 meg link can you beat
 that? :)

 On 10/4/2010 2:46 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote:


  I just laugh at them and say, wouldn't you like to know


 Thanks,
 Cameron Kilton


 On 10/4/2010 3:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:


  What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
 asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
 won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
 Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
 for something before giving you a quote.

 Thanks,
 Roger


 
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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Forbes Mercy
 I can't disclose because of NDA agreements what we pay but you should 
pay $15-$25 a meg.


On 10/4/2010 2:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I recently got a $2900 100 meg quote from an ATT reseller.

In today's world (depending on your target audience), a Level 3 or 
Cogent would be better than MCI or ATT.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


On 10/4/2010 3:30 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
To answer the OP, No, Don't tell them what you pay, And if you do. 
Tell them something much lower then what you really pay.


rambling
Cogent is cheap (watch for there half price sales...) I've seen 
100Mb/s from them as low as like $300


Everyone else hates cogent. I had a Verizon rep quote me something 
like $2900 for 100Mb/s (on-net). I laughed at the guy. And he pulled 
the famous line (Level 3 loves this one too), Well, you get access 
to the proven $provider network, Cogent's Network can't compete with 
ours.


ATT takes the cake however. A real quote from ATT came back for 
$5465.04 for 50Mb/s and $9210.78 for 100Mb/s. No, I'm not kidding. 
You can get way better prices though a 3rd party ATT rep. Not sure 
what they really call them (solutions providers?).

/rambling

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(877) 804-3001  x106




*From*: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
*Sent*: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:56 PM
*To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

I can get Cogent for $600 per month for 100/100 meg! Just have to BH 
it 44 miles..


On 10/04/2010 12:55 PM, support wrote:

   Tell them you pay $200 per month for A 50/50 meg link can you beat
that? :)

On 10/4/2010 2:46 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote:
   

I just laugh at them and say, wouldn't you like to know


Thanks,
Cameron Kilton


On 10/4/2010 3:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
 

What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
for something before giving you a quote.

Thanks,
Roger



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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
For those of you who are purchasing circuits from ATT, you should 
consider joining FISPA, and getting ATT discounted pricing thru the 
FISPA contracts.

Most of ATT products priced thru FISPA are at some of the steepest 
discounts (especially in the old BellSouth Territories).

Additionally, if you are paying in the range of $1500 to $3000, then it 
would also be worth-while to consider purchasing a 'Gig E' transport to 
a Carrier Neutral Faclility ( eg. 56 Marrietta in ATL, or Dallas, or VA 
etc), and then picking up Bandwidth of your choice either directly or 
in-directly)

In some cases $ wise you may end up in the same, but value and quality 
of connectivity wise you will come out ahead.

In such colo facilities, you can get as low as,  Cogent @ $3/meg, 
Hurricane Electric $1.5/meg, even folks like Savvis / Level 3 / 
GlobalCrosssing, in range of $3 to $9/meg.

If you combine your purchase with another for a larger commit.. then the 
prices can get even more interesting.



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 10/4/2010 6:28 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
   I can't disclose because of NDA agreements what we pay but you should
 pay $15-$25 a meg.

 On 10/4/2010 2:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I recently got a $2900 100 meg quote from an ATT reseller.

 In today's world (depending on your target audience), a Level 3 or
 Cogent would be better than MCI or ATT.
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 On 10/4/2010 3:30 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
 To answer the OP, No, Don't tell them what you pay, And if you do.
 Tell them something much lower then what you really pay.

 rambling
 Cogent is cheap (watch for there half price sales...) I've seen
 100Mb/s from them as low as like $300

 Everyone else hates cogent. I had a Verizon rep quote me something
 like $2900 for 100Mb/s (on-net). I laughed at the guy. And he pulled
 the famous line (Level 3 loves this one too), Well, you get access
 to the proven $provider network, Cogent's Network can't compete with
 ours.

 ATT takes the cake however. A real quote from ATT came back for
 $5465.04 for 50Mb/s and $9210.78 for 100Mb/s. No, I'm not kidding.
 You can get way better prices though a 3rd party ATT rep. Not sure
 what they really call them (solutions providers?).
 /rambling

 Nick Olsen
 Network Operations
 (877) 804-3001 x106



 
 *From*: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
 *Sent*: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:56 PM
 *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

 I can get Cogent for $600 per month for 100/100 meg! Just have to BH
 it 44 miles..

 On 10/04/2010 12:55 PM, support wrote:
Tell them you pay $200 per month for A 50/50 meg link can you beat
 that? :)

 On 10/4/2010 2:46 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote:

 I just laugh at them and say, wouldn't you like to know


 Thanks,
 Cameron Kilton


 On 10/4/2010 3:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:

 What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
 asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
 won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
 Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
 for something before giving you a quote.

 Thanks,
 Roger


 
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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Chuck Hogg
That's high for some, and low for others.  Depends on the market, locale,
time of year, term of contract, how it's delivered, and what tier the
provider is.  Like you, I also can't disclose because of NDA, but that
pricing is roughly what we pay.

Regards,

Chuck


On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:

  I can't disclose because of NDA agreements what we pay but you should pay
 $15-$25 a meg.


 On 10/4/2010 2:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I recently got a $2900 100 meg quote from an ATT reseller.

 In today's world (depending on your target audience), a Level 3 or Cogent
 would be better than MCI or ATT.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com


 On 10/4/2010 3:30 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:

 To answer the OP, No, Don't tell them what you pay, And if you do. Tell
 them something much lower then what you really pay.

 rambling
 Cogent is cheap (watch for there half price sales...) I've seen 100Mb/s
 from them as low as like $300

 Everyone else hates cogent. I had a Verizon rep quote me something like
 $2900 for 100Mb/s (on-net). I laughed at the guy. And he pulled the famous
 line (Level 3 loves this one too), Well, you get access to the proven
 $provider network, Cogent's Network can't compete with ours.

 ATT takes the cake however. A real quote from ATT came back for $5465.04
 for 50Mb/s and $9210.78 for 100Mb/s. No, I'm not kidding. You can get way
 better prices though a 3rd party ATT rep. Not sure what they really call
 them (solutions providers?).
 /rambling

 Nick Olsen
 Network Operations
 (877) 804-3001  x106



  --
 *From*: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netm...@smarterbroadband.net
 *Sent*: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:56 PM
 *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

 I can get Cogent for $600 per month for 100/100 meg! Just have to BH it 44
 miles..

 On 10/04/2010 12:55 PM, support wrote:

   Tell them you pay $200 per month for A 50/50 meg link can you beat
 that? :)

 On 10/4/2010 2:46 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote:


  I just laugh at them and say, wouldn't you like to know


 Thanks,
 Cameron Kilton


 On 10/4/2010 3:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:


  What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
 asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them, and if you do,
 won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?
 Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
 for something before giving you a quote.

 Thanks,
 Roger


 
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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Gino Villarini
We got $3k from XO and $1k for Congent, both 1Gbps capacity @ NAP of the
americas

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

 

That's high for some, and low for others.  Depends on the market,
locale, time of year, term of contract, how it's delivered, and what
tier the provider is.  Like you, I also can't disclose because of NDA,
but that pricing is roughly what we pay.

 

Regards,

Chuck



On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote:

I can't disclose because of NDA agreements what we pay but you should
pay $15-$25 a meg.



On 10/4/2010 2:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 

I recently got a $2900 100 meg quote from an ATT reseller.

In today's world (depending on your target audience), a Level 3 or
Cogent would be better than MCI or ATT.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 10/4/2010 3:30 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: 

To answer the OP, No, Don't tell them what you pay, And if you do. Tell
them something much lower then what you really pay.

rambling
Cogent is cheap (watch for there half price sales...) I've seen 100Mb/s
from them as low as like $300

Everyone else hates cogent. I had a Verizon rep quote me something like
$2900 for 100Mb/s (on-net). I laughed at the guy. And he pulled the
famous line (Level 3 loves this one too), Well, you get access to the
proven $provider network, Cogent's Network can't compete with ours.

ATT takes the cake however. A real quote from ATT came back for
$5465.04 for 50Mb/s and $9210.78 for 100Mb/s. No, I'm not kidding. You
can get way better prices though a 3rd party ATT rep. Not sure what
they really call them (solutions providers?).
/rambling

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(877) 804-3001  x106

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From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net 
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:56 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

I can get Cogent for $600 per month for 100/100 meg! Just have to BH it
44 miles.. 

On 10/04/2010 12:55 PM, support wrote: 

  Tell them you pay $200 per month for A 50/50 meg link can you beat 
that? :)
 
On 10/4/2010 2:46 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote:
  

I just laugh at them and say, wouldn't you like to know
 
 
Thanks,
Cameron Kilton
 
 
On 10/4/2010 3:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:


What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth,
and the person
asks what you are paying right now. Do you tell them,
and if you do,
won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get
your business?
Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what
you're paying
for something before giving you a quote.
 
Thanks,
Roger
 
 



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[WISPA] MT RB toughness?

2010-10-04 Thread Greg Ihnen
Lightning took out my RB-750 today. This is the second one I lost to lightning. 
Are the RB-450's any better made or more resistant to lightning?

I have protection, shielded ethernet cable and grounding but the gear is 
mounted up on a metal roof that is not grounded and when there's a nearby 
strike the roof is getting an induced charge and it's knocking out the gear. 
Besides losing an RB-750 I lost the ethernet port of a UBNT PS2 and it's power 
supply.

Tomorrow the gear comes off the roof. It's going on a grounded pole. I have 
other gear on top of a grounded Quonset hut and there's no problems.

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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-04 Thread Roger Howard
Thanks for your replies everyone, there's good feedback in this thread.

Regarding Faisal's comment:

Additionally, if you are paying in the range of $1500 to $3000, then
it would also be worth-while to consider purchasing a 'Gig E'
transport to a Carrier Neutral Faclility ( eg. 56 Marrietta in ATL, or
Dallas, or VA etc), and then picking up Bandwidth of your choice
either directly or in-directly)

I am paying above that range, but most of it is for the local loop of
our 20 meg fractional DS-3. Who would I go to to get a circuit as you
describe, surely it would have to be my local phone company who is
already charging me a lot more money for a lot less circuit? How can I
get around this?

Thanks,
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