Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
USF for broadband is scary... The big problems... 1) There will be a push to use funds for fiber networks, (since so many are pushing for higher speeds for consumers, and with USF mentality its not a competition to spend cost effectively.). 2) There will be a push to give money to

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Matt
I am not sure I agree with the conclusion.  I think we are going to see some new applications that use some of the things that IPv6 offers, like multi-cast and any-cast in ways we can not imagine, yet.  When they do and the consumer demand comes, the SOHO router market will catch.  ISPs

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Reed
Yes, it would appear we are going to have to build our networks to support what the customer wants rather than limit what they can do because our infrastructure won't support. On 2/8/2011 10:10 AM, Matt wrote: I am not sure I agree with the conclusion. I think we are going to see some new

Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-08 Thread Jeromie Reeves
inline On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: USF for broadband is scary... The big problems... 1) There will be a push to use funds for fiber networks, (since so many are pushing for higher speeds for consumers, and with USF mentality its not a

[WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-08 Thread Roger Howard
So I've heard of several people now who are running StarOS APs who have started to use Ubiquiti products for CPE. I've tried several times and the NSM2 won't connect. What am I doing wrong? I understand Aggregate needs to be turned off on the CPE. I'm running 1.5.15.3b on the AP and I'm running

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
IPV6 will make Usage Based Billing even more important to implement. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-08 Thread Travis Johnson
I would question whether using 10mhz channel size would work... you probably have to go back to standard 20mhz channel sizes to make them talk... this is just a guess... Travis Microserv On 2/8/2011 9:13 AM, Roger Howard wrote: So I've heard of several people now who are running StarOS APs

Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-08 Thread Steve Barnes
The only way that I could make UBNT even connect to a StarOS AP was to be in 20Mhz channels and set the RTS as high as possible. Then it worked very poorly. Best thing I ever did was pull all my StarOS off the towers and go to Mikrotik for my AP's. Now looking at switching certain towers to

Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-08 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
... Sorry for short answer there is more info if you search the UBNT Forums. short / quick:- Don't use Airmax (Airmax off) Setup for 20mhz channels.. (other channel sizes may not be compatible). There is a bunch of ifs' and but's here.. the big question is what is it you are trying

Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-08 Thread Josh Luthman
AFAIK only Ubnt and Mikrotik are the two to cooperate in 10 Mhz channels. I have read that Tranzeo joined this 10 Mhz party. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

[WISPA] Waco and Nacogdoches TX

2011-02-08 Thread Mike Goicoechea
We are looking for help in the Waco and Nacogdoches Texas area. Please contact me off-list if you are in the area of either. Thanks, Mike Goicoechea VP of Operations Cielo Systems International 806-977-9001 ext 101 806-763-1945 fax Skype Mike.Goik m...@cielosystems.net

Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-08 Thread Roger Howard
Trying to transition. We have been adding airmax sectors to the towers, changing out StarOS clients for airmax ones, then taking down the StarOS sectors when everyone is upgraded... Then we've been using the StarOS clients on the legacy network which is not upgraded yet. Would be nice if we

Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
Are you sure on that? I'm not an expert on CISCO, and could have it wrong but, I had thought Known fact... Cisco 3550 (enterprise OS ver) was an industry standard Gig router that also did OSPF and BGP, although now End of Lifed.. It was easy and affordable to find on used market. It

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
The problem I see with ARIN right now is that ARIN is still controlled by the largest carriers, who own large pools with excess V4 IP space available. It is not to their benefit to preserve V4 space, when they control whats remaining. What it will mean is that many small providers will become

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
There was a requirement to use with IP allocation. (would need more within 3 months, if not allocated, or something like that). There is a legal basis to make IP holders return IPs that they are not using, or will not use within X months. Selling it on the secondary market is not the intent of

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Mike Hammett
It is my understanding that many organizations held large allocations before the RIRs were formed. I wouldn't expect those allocations to be held to ARIN rules. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/8/2011 12:04 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: There was a

Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-08 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Tranzeo joined the 10mhz party about a year ago with a simple firmware upgrade to the CPQ/SL units. Before that only their newer SL2 radios with a specific mini-PCI card had the option to do 10mhz And even that was only about 18-months prior to now. I will say though that the 10mhz Tranzeo's plays

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread David E. Smith
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:14, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: It is my understanding that many organizations held large allocations before the RIRs were formed. I wouldn't expect those allocations to be held to ARIN rules. They're not. If you follow ARIN politics, there's

[WISPA] Wanted to Buy - TrangoLink-45 (with external antenna port)

2011-02-08 Thread Jenco Wireless
Hello everyone. Anyone have one of these they want to sell?? Please hit me off-list at b...@jencospeed.net Thanks !! Brad H WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Jack Unger
In spite of the noteworthy efforts on the part of many WISP operators and in spite of a temporary decrease in the levels of TDWR interference reported to us by the FCC, the TDWR interference situation has unfortunately deteriorated. The FCC now reports that some locations (New York, Chicago,

Re: [WISPA] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Blair Davis
Copied to both lists to stimulate comments on this... done. Some serious enforcement is in order.  Major fines for repeated offense...  $100K or more for 2nd offense... I'd rather see the TDWR band notched out than any kind of required GPS and

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Reed
It isn't ARIN, it is all the RIRs. And ARIN just go another /8 to divide up. That is a bunch of /22 or /23 networks. I don't think ARIN is controlled by anyone. From what I have seen in the last 6 months, they have some very strict rules and follow them. The rules do not seem to favor

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Jack Unger
Comments inline. jack On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Copied to both lists to stimulate comments on this... done. Some serious enforcement is in order. Major fines for repeated offense... $100K or more for 2nd offense... Last month we recommended to the FCC OET that they

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Carl Shivers
So what is the solution if you have 1000+ WiFi routers that don't support IPv6? Pretty penny to replace. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Who says you have to do anything ? What is working stays working.. yeah if you need to put a new 1000 Wifi routers.. very likely then you will need to put up the ones that support IPv6 Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 2/8/2011 5:52 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: So what is the solution

Re: [WISPA] Remote monitoring/ remote reboot

2011-02-08 Thread Kevin Sullivan
Hello, We've had quite a few people who may be interested, so we figured we'd bite the bullet and order 100. Hopefully some of you all will want to take them off of our hands. :) Here's the link to order them: http://www.alyrica.net/net_hatchet We're going to, (hopefully), be able to

[WISPA] Weird ubnt flash issue

2011-02-08 Thread Charles N Wyble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok I got to tftp via the reset switch and flashed open mesh firmware on one ns2. It's happy. Attempts to flash it to another 3 ns2 boxes fail. I can tftp the image up. The LEDs blink. Then it reboots, I get a few ARP, Request who-has 0.0.0.0 tell

Re: [WISPA] Weird ubnt flash issue

2011-02-08 Thread support
Try Clearing your Arp table do a Arp -d in a command window it most likely cached the first radio now your arp table is all messed up On 2/8/2011 5:24 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok I got to tftp via the reset switch and flashed open mesh firmware

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Charles N Wyble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Comments inline. jack On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Some serious enforcement is in order. Major fines for repeated offense... $100K or more for 2nd offense... Last month we recommended

Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-08 Thread RickG
+1 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I would question whether using 10mhz channel size would work... you probably have to go back to standard 20mhz channel sizes to make them talk... this is just a guess... Travis Microserv On 2/8/2011 9:13 AM, Roger

Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-08 Thread RickG
Correct. As an aside, UBNT 5GHz doesnt like StarOS/CM9 combos which I previously used for backhauls. The trick was to make the Ubiquiti radio the AP and the StarOS the station, then it works. Glad those days are over! On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: ...

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Jack Unger
Charles, My new comments are preceded by jau. jack On 2/8/2011 7:14 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Comments inline. jack On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Some serious enforcement is in order.

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Comments inline. jack On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Some serious enforcement is in order.  Major fines for

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Blair Davis
Inline reply's On 2/8/2011 11:31 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack Unger wrote:

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Inline reply's On 2/8/2011 11:31 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
I do not see why we must suggest or FCC mandate a static one shoe fits all approach. The fact is, there are multiple ways to address the problem, each of which could be equally effective. As long as any one of those several options are chosen by an operator or manuacturer, problem solved. Why

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
If you are stuck - you can change your network topology a bit. 1. Do IPv4 internally using Internal Network addresses. 2. Only give the public IPv4 address to folks who pay for it meet ARIN justification for the IP (amazing how that helps quite a bit ;-) ) 3. Utilize a public IP for those

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That would be great. What options do you see? DFS2 looks to have not got the job done. No one knows how the GPS+DB stuff will really look, or the costs it will add. The simplest way to do GPS would be to make a serial receive port. The DB part would be a pretty simple script. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
Actually, I just got done reading the ARIN website notes on the topic. My bad... Still plenty of IPv4 space available for allocation in ARIN's pool. Just IANA ran out. Actually not true either. IANA just allocated the last pool, before they were required to only allocate smaller blocks equally

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
yup It is kinda like this A storm is coming - and all the quikymarts go to the local Acme, Kroger and Walmarts and purchase all the milk and bread. Now you have to go to the local quikymart if you want more IP's (well its almost that way but not just yet) On Feb 9, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Tom

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
Nice post Glenn. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley To: fai...@snappydsl.net ; WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses