[WISPA] Intro.

2011-02-12 Thread wphipp...@gmail.com
Greetings all.

I thought I would make a brief introduction as I have just signed up.

I hope I can be of help.

Best wishes,
Will

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Re: [WISPA] Intro.

2011-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Hi Will,

 

Nice to see you here and welcome to WISPA!

 

Can you tell us a little about you and your WISP J

 

Best,

Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO 

StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/   

 http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com 

 http://www.farmingtonmo.us/blog BLOG: FarmingtonMO.us

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Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 3:19 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Intro.

 

Greetings all.

I thought I would make a brief introduction as I have just signed up.

I hope I can be of help.

Best wishes,
Will

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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread Stuart Pierce
Jack,

Go ahead and pen a template and post it for others to enhance as needed for 
their areas. Enhancing it for their areas and sent to their representatives for 
their areas will make more sense to those representatives when mentioning 
landmarks and such.


-- Original Message --
From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:52:57 -0800


 





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Re: [WISPA] Intro.

2011-02-12 Thread wphipp...@gmail.com
Thanks Victoria.

My main interest lies with white space spectrum. I am especially interested in 
how access to the white space spectrum will open up. 
 
I think it could be of great benefit to government, industry and consumers if a 
workable and simple 
way if utilizing unused bands could be developed. 

Best wishes,
Will

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- Reply message -
From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com
Date: Sat, Feb 12, 2011 12:53
Subject: [WISPA] Intro.
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org

Hi Will,

 

Nice to see you here and welcome to WISPA!

 

Can you tell us a little about you and your WISP J

 

Best,

Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO 

StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/   

 http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com 

 http://www.farmingtonmo.us/blog BLOG: FarmingtonMO.us

314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756

Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband

St. Louis WISP since 2003

SBA Certified WOSB 

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WISPA Board of Directors 2010 - 2011

WISPA - Missouri State Coordinator

 http://wispa.org/ Wispa_logo2008SM

 

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Of wphipp...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 3:19 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Intro.

 

Greetings all.

I thought I would make a brief introduction as I have just signed up.

I hope I can be of help.

Best wishes,
Will

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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread Stuart Pierce
Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? 
This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it 
brings now and the future. 

Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own 
capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea 
! 

This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They 
need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to 
the people. 

If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification 
and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based 
on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 
million dollar figure.

Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely 
associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.

Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to 
stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.

With that, Go Buckeyes !!

-- Original Message --
From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600

Jack, this line stood out to me:
Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together 

You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this.
The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a
wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting
groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional
level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie
together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and
help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on
the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,
money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural
locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we
are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that
be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated
contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA
commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more
than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it
matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving
too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that
change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward
towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few
steps.

-drew

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople,
 however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board.  I am a
 true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market.  I very
 strongly don't believe in socialism.

 I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment have a
 clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites and speech
 fodder.

 wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some steps that
 would really help make some changes and mature this industry..  I'll try to
 put some of those down and post them up early next week.

 Marco




 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:

  Marco,

 Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way that may
 cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken seriously. If you would
 like me to re-write a future letter for you so that it makes it's points in
 a more considerate way, I'll be happy to help you with that.

 I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go to
 make elected officials aware that all wireless isn't mobile. They seem
 unaware that WISPs supply FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND and that mobile broadband
 is (like Matt Larsen says) toy broadband.

 Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together and
 get our message about the benefits of FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND out to
 Congress?

 jack



 On 2/10/2011 2:27 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:


 Here's some more:
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama


 my response:

 Dear Mr. President,

 I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company.
 I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13
 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas.
 So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers
 but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess
 things up.

 Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's
 still adds more work for those who have 

Re: [WISPA] Intro.

2011-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Well than Will, you came to the right place!

I believe that WISPA was pretty much responsible for getting that approved by 
the FCC.

 

Where is your WISP service?

 

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

 http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com

 

314-974-5600

 

 

 

From: wphipp...@gmail.com [mailto:wphipp...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:26 AM
To: St. Louis Broadband; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intro.

 

Thanks Victoria.

My main interest lies with white space spectrum. I am especially interested in 
how access to the white space spectrum will open up. 

I think it could be of great benefit to government, industry and consumers if a 
workable and simple 
way if utilizing unused bands could be developed. 

Best wishes,
Will

Sent from my HTC

- Reply message -
From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com
Date: Sat, Feb 12, 2011 12:53
Subject: [WISPA] Intro.
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org

Hi Will,



Nice to see you here and welcome to WISPA!



Can you tell us a little about you and your WISP J



Best,

Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO 

StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/   

http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com 

http://www.farmingtonmo.us/blog BLOG: FarmingtonMO.us

314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756

Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband

St. Louis WISP since 2003

SBA Certified WOSB 

http://stlbroadband.com/ STLBBLogo

WISPA Board of Directors 2010 - 2011

WISPA - Missouri State Coordinator

http://wispa.org/ Wispa_logo2008SM



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Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 3:19 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Intro.



Greetings all.

I thought I would make a brief introduction as I have just signed up.

I hope I can be of help.

Best wishes,
Will

Sent from my HTC







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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Stuart,

This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have
already been collected.

This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to
U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared
network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a
'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits .
haven't seen that part yet .
I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the
monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.


Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
www.ShowMeBroadband.com
www.StLouisBroadband.com
www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 

314-974-5600




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or
what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the
problems it brings now and the future. 

Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own
capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades
yea ! 

This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not.
They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly
back to the people. 

If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for
verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth
what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent
bandied about $10 million dollar figure.

Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely
associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.

Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want
to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.

With that, Go Buckeyes !!

-- Original Message --
From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600

Jack, this line stood out to me:
Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together 

You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with
this.
The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a
wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By
supporting
groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional
level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie
together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and
help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on
the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,
money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more
rural
locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we
are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that
be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated
contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA
commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now,
more
than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it
matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving
too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that
change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward
towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few
steps.

-drew

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople,
 however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board.  I am a
 true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market.  I very
 strongly don't believe in socialism.

 I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment have a
 clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites and
speech
 fodder.

 wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some steps that
 would really help make some changes and mature this industry..  I'll try
to
 put some of those down and post them up early next week.

 Marco




 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:

  Marco,

 Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way that
may
 cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken seriously. If you
would
 like me to re-write a future letter for you so that it makes it's points
in
 a more considerate way, I'll be happy to help you with that.

 I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go to
 make elected officials aware that all wireless isn't mobile. They seem
 unaware 

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread Scott Reed

Comments inline

On 2/12/2011 8:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:


Stuart,

This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that 
have already been collected.


Rather it is USF TAX DOLLARS.  Come on, it is a government charge to 
redistribute the wealth, i.e., tax dollars.  And I believe the current 
discussion is to create a new USF, so a new TAX stream.


This is also the same network plan thatmy companydevelopedand handed 
to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a 
shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was 
also a'community based'so that the local communities shared in the 
profits...haven't seen that part yet...




I don't want to share profits with the local community. I want to be 
able to run my capitalistic business for my shareholder's profit.  Sure, 
we do the public good, we participate it community events, have been 
members of local government committees, but that does not mean we want 
to share the $$$.


I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC...breaking up the 
monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.


When was the last time you saw a monopoly broken up so there was 
competition?  The telco monopoly has never been disbanded, just the name 
changed.  Instead of one big Bell, there were multiple RBOCs, many of 
which have merged.  But there is still only one ILEC (hence the name) 
and there is no way Washing is going to do anything to disband those big 
dollars.  We may be able to get a small share of anything new, but the 
bulk will always go to where it can come back from the fastest.


***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*

___www.ShowMeBroadband.com_file://www.ShowMeBroadband.com

___www.StLouisBroadband.com_file://www.StLouisBroadband.com

___www.FarmingtonForum.com_http://farmingtonforum.com/

314-974-5600

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce

Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) 
or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to 
the problems it brings now and the future.


Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with 
their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas 
quicker ? Well hades yea !


This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or 
not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it 
directly back to the people.


If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for 
verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is 
worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and 
the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure.


Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything 
remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.


Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and 
want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to 
the people.


With that, Go Buckeyes !!

-- Original Message --

From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com

Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600

Jack, this line stood out to me:

Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together 



You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with 
this.


The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support 
building a


wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By 
supporting


groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional

level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie

together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and

help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on

the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,

money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more 
rural


locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we

are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that

be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated

contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA

commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to 
now, more


than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it

matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving

too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that

change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward

towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few

steps.



-drew



On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, 

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband
In line

 

 

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

 http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com

 

314-974-5600

 

 

From: Scott Reed [mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net] 
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:54 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

 

Comments inline

On 2/12/2011 8:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: 

Stuart,

This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have
already been collected.

Rather it is USF TAX DOLLARS.  Come on, it is a government charge to
redistribute the wealth, i.e., tax dollars.  And I believe the current
discussion is to create a new USF, so a new TAX stream.



[] If you want to say that the payment on your phone bill is the same as
the IRS, ok, but I don't think that is technically correct.

This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to
U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared
network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a
'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits .
haven't seen that part yet .


I don't want to share profits with the local community. I want to be able to
run my capitalistic business for my shareholder's profit.  Sure, we do the
public good, we participate it community events, have been members of local
government committees, but that does not mean we want to share the $$$.



[] When a community based network is setup, it is the same as having share
holders, because they have an investment in the project.  

I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the
monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.

When was the last time you saw a monopoly broken up so there was
competition?  The telco monopoly has never been disbanded, just the name
changed.  Instead of one big Bell, there were multiple RBOCs, many of which
have merged.  But there is still only one ILEC (hence the name) and there is
no way Washing is going to do anything to disband those big dollars.  We may
be able to get a small share of anything new, but the bulk will always go to
where it can come back from the fastest. 

[] Agreed!  Maybe they are really trying to fix it!  As least that is the
impression that I got from Chopra and Genachowski.  And I did have at least
half hour conversations with each.  BTW - The big dollars aren't going to be
so big when the networks move from copper to wireless and they lose their
government tit, the USF.

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

 file:///\\www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.ShowMeBroadband.com

 file:///\\www.StLouisBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com

 http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com

314-974-5600

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or
what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the
problems it brings now and the future. 

Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own
capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades
yea ! 

This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not.
They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly
back to the people. 

If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for
verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth
what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent
bandied about $10 million dollar figure.

Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely
associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.

Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want
to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.

With that, Go Buckeyes !!

-- Original Message --

From: Drew Lentz  mailto:d...@drewlentz.com d...@drewlentz.com

Reply-To: WISPA General List  mailto:wireless@wispa.org
wireless@wispa.org

Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600

Jack, this line stood out to me:

Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together 

 

You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with
this.

The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a

wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By
supporting

groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional

level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie

together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and

help this country move forward. If we don't band 

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually 
deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing 
their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:


Stuart,

This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that 
have already been collected.


This is also the same network plan thatmy companydevelopedand handed 
to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a 
shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was 
also a'community based'so that the local communities shared in the 
profits...haven't seen that part yet...


I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC...breaking up the 
monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.


***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*

___www.ShowMeBroadband.com_file://www.ShowMeBroadband.com

___www.StLouisBroadband.com_file://www.StLouisBroadband.com

___www.FarmingtonForum.com_http://farmingtonforum.com/

314-974-5600

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce

Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) 
or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to 
the problems it brings now and the future.


Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with 
their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas 
quicker ? Well hades yea !


This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or 
not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it 
directly back to the people.


If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for 
verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is 
worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and 
the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure.


Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything 
remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.


Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and 
want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to 
the people.


With that, Go Buckeyes !!

-- Original Message --

From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com

Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600

Jack, this line stood out to me:

Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together 



You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with 
this.


The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support 
building a


wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By 
supporting


groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional

level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie

together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and

help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on

the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,

money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more 
rural


locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we

are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that

be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated

contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA

commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to 
now, more


than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it

matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving

too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that

change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward

towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few

steps.



-drew



On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote:



 I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople,

 however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board.  I am a

 true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market.  I very

 strongly don't believe in socialism.



 I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment 
have a


 clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites 
and speech


 fodder.



 wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some steps 
that


 would really help make some changes and mature this industry..  I'll 
try to


 put some of those down and post them up early next week.



 Marco









 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM, 

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband
How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they
will be selling much of that in the future.

 

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

 http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com

 

314-974-5600

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

 

You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually deliver
T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via
T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access.



 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: 

Stuart,

This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have
already been collected.

This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to
U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared
network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a
'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits .
haven't seen that part yet .

I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the
monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

 file:///\\www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.ShowMeBroadband.com

 file:///\\www.StLouisBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com

 http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com

314-974-5600

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or
what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the
problems it brings now and the future. 

Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own
capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades
yea ! 

This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not.
They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly
back to the people. 

If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for
verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth
what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent
bandied about $10 million dollar figure.

Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely
associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.

Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want
to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.

With that, Go Buckeyes !!

-- Original Message --

From: Drew Lentz  mailto:d...@drewlentz.com d...@drewlentz.com

Reply-To: WISPA General List  mailto:wireless@wispa.org
wireless@wispa.org

Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600

Jack, this line stood out to me:

Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together 

 

You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with
this.

The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a

wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By
supporting

groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional

level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie

together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and

help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on

the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,

money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more
rural

locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we

are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that

be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated

contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA

commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now,
more

than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it

matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving

too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that

change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward

towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few

steps.

 

-drew

 

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho  mailto:coelh...@gmail.com
coelh...@gmail.com wrote:

 

 I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople,

 however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board.  

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread Chuck Hogg
T1 is far from legacy.

Regards,

Chuck


On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com
 wrote:

 How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they
 will be selling much of that in the future.



 *Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*

 www.ShowMeBroadband.com

 www.StLouisBroadband.com

 www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/



 314-974-5600







 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world



 You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually
 deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their
 service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access.



 -

 Mike Hammett

 Intelligent Computing Solutions

 http://www.ics-il.com




 On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:

 Stuart,

 This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have
 already been collected.

 This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to
 U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared
 network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a 
 ‘community
 based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen
 that part yet …

 I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the
 monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.

 *Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*

 www.ShowMeBroadband.com

 www.StLouisBroadband.com

 www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/

 314-974-5600

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
 Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

 Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or
 what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the
 problems it brings now and the future.

 Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their
 own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well
 hades yea !

 This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not.
 They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly
 back to the people.

 If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for
 verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth
 what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent
 bandied about $10 million dollar figure.

 Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely
 associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.

 Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want
 to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.

 With that, Go Buckeyes !!

 -- Original Message --

 From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com d...@drewlentz.com

 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org

 Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600

 Jack, this line stood out to me:

 Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together 

 

 You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with
 this.

 The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building
 a

 wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By
 supporting

 groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional

 level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie

 together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and

 help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on

 the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,

 money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more
 rural

 locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we

 are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that

 be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated

 contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA

 commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now,
 more

 than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it

 matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving

 too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that

 change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward

 towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few

 steps.

 

 -drew

 

 On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho 
 

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband
It speed is, according to the FCC.  It is certainly not broadband.

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
www.ShowMeBroadband.com
www.StLouisBroadband.com
www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 

314-974-5600




From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:16 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

T1 is far from legacy.

Regards,

Chuck

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband
li...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they
will be selling much of that in the future.
 
Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
www.ShowMeBroadband.com
www.StLouisBroadband.com
www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 
 
314-974-5600
 
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
 
You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually deliver
T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via
T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access.
 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 

On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: 
Stuart,
This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have
already been collected.
This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to
U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared
network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a
'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits .
haven't seen that part yet .
I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the
monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.
Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
www.ShowMeBroadband.com
www.StLouisBroadband.com
www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 
314-974-5600
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or
what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the
problems it brings now and the future. 
Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own
capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades
yea ! 
This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not.
They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly
back to the people. 
If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for
verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth
what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent
bandied about $10 million dollar figure.
Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely
associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.
Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want
to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.
With that, Go Buckeyes !!
-- Original Message --
From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com mailto:d...@drewlentz.com 
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600
Jack, this line stood out to me:
Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together 
 
You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with
this.
The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a
wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By
supporting
groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional
level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie
together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and
help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on
the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,
money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more
rural
locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we
are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that
be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated
contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA
commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now,
more
than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it
matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving
too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread Jeremie Chism
Around here T1's are considered slow. And bonding them is far to expensive. 
Every customer we have switched over from a CLEC wants to dump their T1 for 
something faster. Honestly on our VoIP customers if we can't service them they 
get Comcast with our VOIP service. I think the T1 is the biggest thing hurting 
the clec's. Its hard for them to compete with comcast fiber or me  I worked for 
two and actually had one just recently offer me a large salary to come work for 
them. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 T1 is far from legacy.
 
 Regards,
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com 
 wrote:
 How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they 
 will be selling much of that in the future.
 
  
 
 Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
 
 www.ShowMeBroadband.com
 
 www.StLouisBroadband.com
 
 www.FarmingtonForum.com
 
  
 
 314-974-5600
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM
 
 
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
  
 
 You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually deliver 
 T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via 
 T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access.
 
 
  
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
  
 
 On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:
 
 Stuart,
 
 This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have 
 already been collected.
 
 This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to 
 U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared 
 network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a 
 ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … 
 haven’t seen that part yet …
 
 I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the 
 monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.
 
 Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
 
 www.ShowMeBroadband.com
 
 www.StLouisBroadband.com
 
 www.FarmingtonForum.com
 
 314-974-5600
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
 Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
 
 Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what 
 ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it 
 brings now and the future.
 
 Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own 
 capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades 
 yea !
 
 This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. 
 They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly 
 back to the people.
 
 If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification 
 and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based 
 on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 
 million dollar figure.
 
 Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely 
 associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.
 
 Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want 
 to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.
 
 With that, Go Buckeyes !!
 
 -- Original Message --
 
 From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com
 
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 
 Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600
 
 Jack, this line stood out to me:
 
 Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together 
 
  
 
 You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this.
 
 The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a
 
 wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting
 
 groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional
 
 level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie
 
 together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and
 
 help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on
 
 the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,
 
 money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural
 
 locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we
 
 are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that
 
 be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated
 
 contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA
 
 commercial .. take it as a 

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is 
being done.  Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're 
receiving or charging your customer too much.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

T1 is far from legacy.

Regards,

Chuck


On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband 
li...@stlbroadband.com mailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote:


How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I
doubt they will be selling much of that in the future.

*Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*

www.ShowMeBroadband.com http://www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com http://www.StLouisBroadband.com

www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/

314-974-5600

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM


*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually
deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be
purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for
VoIP access.

  


-

Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions

http://www.ics-il.com

  



On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:

Stuart,

This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds
that have already been collected.

This is also the same network plan that my company developed and
handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was
for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed
wireless.  It was also a ‘community based’ so that the local
communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet …

I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up
the monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.

*Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/

314-974-5600

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or
will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into
Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future.

Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with
their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas
quicker ? Well hades yea !

This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it
or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and
give it directly back to the people.

If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for
verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon
is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315
million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure.

Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything
remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.

Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government
and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it
back to the people.

With that, Go Buckeyes !!

-- Original Message --

From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com mailto:d...@drewlentz.com

Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org

Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600

Jack, this line stood out to me:

Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act
together 



You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things
with this.

The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support
building a

wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By
supporting

groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the
congressional

level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie

together networks, allowing existing provides to increase
build-out, and

help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed
light on

the subject of what can be done with the existing providers,
you're right,

money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in
more rural

locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out
that we


Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband
I am working with a company for VoIP and they are not a CLEC and do have
access to PSTN.

 

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

 http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com

 

314-974-5600

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

 

The ILECs do not sell VoIP AFAIK.  A CLEC is the only place to go for VoIP
access.  If you're buying VoIP from anyone, either they're a CLEC or they're
buying from a CLEC.

T1 was legacy before there was a replacement.  ;-)





 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 2/12/2011 8:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: 

How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they
will be selling much of that in the future.

 

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 

 

314-974-5600

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

 

You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually deliver
T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via
T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access.




 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: 

Stuart,

This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have
already been collected.

This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to
U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared
network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a
'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits .
haven't seen that part yet .

I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the
monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

 file:///\\%5C%5Cwww.ShowMeBroadband.com www.ShowMeBroadband.com

 file:///\\%5C%5Cwww.StLouisBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com

 http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com

314-974-5600

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or
what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the
problems it brings now and the future. 

Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own
capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades
yea ! 

This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not.
They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly
back to the people. 

If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for
verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth
what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent
bandied about $10 million dollar figure.

Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely
associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.

Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want
to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.

With that, Go Buckeyes !!

-- Original Message --

From: Drew Lentz  mailto:d...@drewlentz.com d...@drewlentz.com

Reply-To: WISPA General List  mailto:wireless@wispa.org
wireless@wispa.org

Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600

Jack, this line stood out to me:

Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together 

 

You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with
this.

The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a

wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By
supporting

groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional

level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie

together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and

help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on

the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,

money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more
rural

locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we

are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that

be (whether 

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread Jeremie Chism
Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do distance 
medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed.  It's about 34 
miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was 
supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being 
 done.  Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or 
 charging your customer too much.
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 
 T1 is far from legacy.
 
 Regards,
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband 
 li...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they 
 will be selling much of that in the future.
 
  
 
 Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
 
 www.ShowMeBroadband.com
 
 www.StLouisBroadband.com
 
 www.FarmingtonForum.com
 
  
 
 314-974-5600
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM
 
 
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
  
 
 You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually deliver 
 T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via 
 T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access.
 
  
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
  
 
 On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:
 
 Stuart,
 
 This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have 
 already been collected.
 
 This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to 
 U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared 
 network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a 
 ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … 
 haven’t seen that part yet …
 
 I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the 
 monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.
 
 Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
 
 www.ShowMeBroadband.com
 
 www.StLouisBroadband.com
 
 www.FarmingtonForum.com
 
 314-974-5600
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
 Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
 
 Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or 
 what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the 
 problems it brings now and the future.
 
 Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own 
 capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades 
 yea !
 
 This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. 
 They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly 
 back to the people.
 
 If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for 
 verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth 
 what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent 
 bandied about $10 million dollar figure.
 
 Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely 
 associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.
 
 Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want 
 to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.
 
 With that, Go Buckeyes !!
 
 -- Original Message --
 
 From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com
 
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 
 Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600
 
 Jack, this line stood out to me:
 
 Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together 
 
  
 
 You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this.
 
 The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a
 
 wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting
 
 groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional
 
 level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie
 
 together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and
 
 help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on
 
 the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,
 
 money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural
 
 locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we
 
 are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that
 
 be (whether it be the FCC, the 

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Ø  Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson 
affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. 

 

Yeah and the LEC is probably collecting $20k per year for it!  And doing very 
little maintenance, if any, on their network. This is why these guys are so 
big, cut off their outrageous funding and see who is left standing for 
innovation!

 

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

 http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com

 

314-974-5600

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

 

Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do distance 
medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed.  It's about 34 
miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was 
supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. 


Sent from my iPhone4


On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being 
done.  Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or 
charging your customer too much.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 

T1 is far from legacy. 


Regards,

Chuck



On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com 
wrote:

How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will 
be selling much of that in the future.

 

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 

 

314-974-5600

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

 

You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually deliver T1 
and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or 
T3) and the only source for VoIP access.

 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: 

Stuart,

This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have 
already been collected.

This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. 
CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with 
Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a ‘community based’ so 
that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet …

I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the 
monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 

314-974-5600

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? 
This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it 
brings now and the future. 

Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own 
capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea 
! 

This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They 
need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to 
the people. 

If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification 
and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based 
on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 
million dollar figure.

Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely 
associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.

Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to 
stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.

With that, Go Buckeyes !!

-- Original Message --

From: Drew Lentz  mailto:d...@drewlentz.com d...@drewlentz.com

Reply-To: WISPA General List  mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org

Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600

Jack, this line stood out to me:

Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together 

 

You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this.

The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to 

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread Jeremie Chism
Exactly. My wisp is small in comparison to many on here (only generating 15K 
per month) but I did it myself without outside funding whether it be government 
or other sources. But it is mine. It's reliable. And it has high profit 
margins. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:39 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com 
wrote:

 Ø  Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson 
 affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. 
 
  
 
 Yeah and the LEC is probably collecting $20k per year for it!  And doing very 
 little maintenance, if any, on their network. This is why these guys are so 
 big, cut off their outrageous funding and see who is left standing for 
 innovation!
 
  
 
 Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
 
 www.ShowMeBroadband.com
 
 www.StLouisBroadband.com
 
 www.FarmingtonForum.com
 
  
 
 314-974-5600
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
 Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:31 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
 
  
 
 Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do 
 distance medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed.  
 It's about 34 miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff 
 that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per 
 month. 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone4
 
 
 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 
 If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being 
 done.  Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or 
 charging your customer too much.
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
  
 
 On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 
 T1 is far from legacy.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com 
 wrote:
 
 How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they 
 will be selling much of that in the future.
 
  
 
 Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
 
 www.ShowMeBroadband.com
 
 www.StLouisBroadband.com
 
 www.FarmingtonForum.com
 
  
 
 314-974-5600
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM
 
 
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
 
  
 
 You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually deliver 
 T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via 
 T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access.
 
  
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
  
 
 On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:
 
 Stuart,
 
 This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have 
 already been collected.
 
 This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to 
 U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared 
 network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a 
 ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … 
 haven’t seen that part yet …
 
 I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the 
 monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.
 
 Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
 
 www.ShowMeBroadband.com
 
 www.StLouisBroadband.com
 
 www.FarmingtonForum.com
 
 314-974-5600
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
 Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
 
 Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what 
 ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it 
 brings now and the future.
 
 Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own 
 capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades 
 yea !
 
 This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. 
 They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly 
 back to the people.
 
 If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification 
 and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based 
 on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 
 million dollar figure.
 
 Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely 
 associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.
 
 Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want 
 to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.
 
 With that, Go Buckeyes !!
 
 -- Original Message 

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband
And this is the exact same network the NTIA, hopefully, will look at to help 
subsidize for more rural build out.  This is, as least, my hope.  Copper is 
out, wireless is in! J

 

 

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

 http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com

 

314-974-5600

 

 

 

From: Jeremie Chism [mailto:jchi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:42 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

 

Exactly. My wisp is small in comparison to many on here (only generating 15K 
per month) but I did it myself without outside funding whether it be government 
or other sources. But it is mine. It's reliable. And it has high profit 
margins. 

Sent from my iPhone4


On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:39 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com 
wrote:

Ø  Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson 
affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. 

 

Yeah and the LEC is probably collecting $20k per year for it!  And doing very 
little maintenance, if any, on their network. This is why these guys are so 
big, cut off their outrageous funding and see who is left standing for 
innovation!

 

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 

 

314-974-5600

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

 

Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do distance 
medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed.  It's about 34 
miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was 
supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. 


Sent from my iPhone4


On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being 
done.  Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or 
charging your customer too much.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 

T1 is far from legacy. 


Regards,

Chuck




On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com 
wrote:

How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will 
be selling much of that in the future.

 

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

www.FarmingtonForum.com

 

314-974-5600

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

 

You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually deliver T1 
and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or 
T3) and the only source for VoIP access.

 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: 

Stuart,

This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have 
already been collected.

This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. 
CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with 
Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a ‘community based’ so 
that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet …

I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the 
monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

www.FarmingtonForum.com

314-974-5600

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? 
This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it 
brings now and the future. 

Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own 
capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea 
! 

This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They 
need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to 
the people. 

If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification 
and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based 
on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent 

[WISPA] Fwd: Cruzio peering

2011-02-12 Thread Charles N Wyble
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A Cruzio employee kindly provided me with the following information
regarding their peering and connectivity. I pasted it below (with
permission) because I thought it might be of use to others:

Cruzio maintains a backbone of wireless points of presence (POP) on
various mountain tops overlooking the Monterey Bay, South
San Francisco Bay, and Silicon Valley Regions.

Cruzio wireless POPs are present on Mount Umunhum, Mount Allison,
Loma Prieta and Black Mountain to name a few.

Cruzio wireless POPs are fed from the Equinix San Jose facility. At
Equinix, Cruzio is cross connected into a peering exchange to an
aggregate of content providers which include Google, You Tube and
several others. Non-peered connectivity is provided by Above.net who is
also colocated in that facility.

Cruzio leases dark fiber on the cable built and owned by Sunesys,
which is also used by UCSC. This fiber cable links the Cruzio facility
at 877 Cedar Street in downtown Santa Cruz with the Level 3 Sunnyvale
facility 46 miles away. Connectivity to the Internet is provided by
Level 3 and Cogent.

A high-speed/high-bandwidth wireless link connects the Cruzio 877 Cedar
facility with the Equinix San Jose facility via Mount Umunhum to provide
a wireless failover to the fiber in event of a fiber outage.

Cruzio wholesales ATT DSL. All DSL traffic is aggregated over ATT
fiber to the 200 Paul Avenue facility where it is connected to the
Internet through a variety of providers.

While the fiber and new data center are being turned up and tested,
Cruzio hosted servers remain connected over ATT fiber to the he.net
Fremont 1 facility.
Connectivity to the Internet is through he.net, who are themselves
connected and peered to multiple Tier 1 providers.

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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-12 Thread Fred Goldstein

At 2/12/2011 09:35 AM, MikeH wrote:
Then they're buying from a CLEC.  There is no technical way of doing 
so without a CLEC, ILEC, or cellular carrier involved for inbound 
service.  Outbound VoIP requires an IXC.


Correct.  In order to interconnect with the rest of the PSTN, you 
need to be a certificated carrier, and that means ILEC, CLEC, or CMRS 
(wireless licensee).  Or IXC, which isn't certificated but which has 
legal obligations.  All of the VoIP resellers out there have CLECs in 
the loop, very often Level 3 or Paetec, who have large footprints, 
but also local ones in some places.


The term T1 is confusing.  It technically refers to a long-obsolete 
DS1-speed carrier system, but is used to refer to anything that runs 
at the DS1 rate.  For broadband data, that's slow by today's 
standards, though for real business applications (no video), it tends 
to be pretty good.  So a lot of businesses use T1s, which a CLEC can 
often get at a cost-based rate, vs. the outrageous Special Access 
tariff price.


But a DS1 circuit (isochronous, channelized) is how the whole PSTN 
does its interconnection.  So a VoIP provider might buy PRIs from a 
CLEC.  A PRI is a DS1 circuit with (typically) 23 bearer channels 
(64000 bps, used for voice calls though possibly circuit-switched 
data too) and one D channel (signaling).  The CLEC, in turn, 
interconnects with other carriers using DS1-rate bearer links and 
signaling over the separate SS7 network.


A CLEC certificate can often be handy for an ISP...

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[WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-12 Thread Fred Goldstein
First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed 
it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones 
didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a 
source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source 
of subsidy money to rural states.

USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even 
uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high 
switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the 
call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are 
explicit cash subsidies.

Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural 
Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now, 
High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax 
money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone 
rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really 
costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then 
the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let 
them hold down the rate.

But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a 
study area, which is in general the operating territory of one 
(historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South 
Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell- 
Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in 
California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a 
heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.

The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban 
areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is 
supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the 
big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have 
urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company 
typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc., 
which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can 
be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or 
CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate... 
cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does 
however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the 
Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural 
areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower 
their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are 
on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise 
their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually 
(this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may 
reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap) 
get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.

When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt, 
Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they 
created the Equal Support Rule.  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's 
suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC 
(eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could 
move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the 
same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe 
Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get 
$80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using 
their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless 
(I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not 
need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting model.

Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it 
had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return 
regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs 
are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is 
still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their 
rate of return and the same low prices.  So they keep their subsidy, 
and USF ends up paying twice!  This is the FCC's justification for 
wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have 
simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto, 
regardless of what the law actually says.  A few years ago, they 
capped CETC support.  If a new CETC comes into an area, their subsidy 
comes out of other CETCs, no longer equal support.  The total is 
supposed to phase down to 0 over five years.

BTW the biggest CETCs were cellular carriers, including Sprint, ATT 
Mobility and its predecessors, and some Verizon Wireless 
acquisitions.  VZ and I think Sprint agreed to phase out their CETC 
support as merger conditions.  CLECs got a rather small share of the 
pie.  WISPS need not apply, since they're not carriers, and the 
support was technically for voice.

Oh, voice?  Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is 
allowed to do practically anything so long 

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-12 Thread Jeremie Chism
With competition the ILEC's would have to actually take care of their customers 
instead of treating them like they don't have a choice. I remember the day I 
cut the cord from bell. It was a memorable moment. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it.
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
 it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
 didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
 source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
 of subsidy money to rural states.
 
 USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
 uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
 switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
 call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
 explicit cash subsidies.
 
 Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
 Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
 High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
 money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
 rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
 costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
 the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
 them hold down the rate.
 
 But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
 study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
 (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
 Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
 Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
 California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
 heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.
 
 The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
 areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
 supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
 big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
 urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
 typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
 which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
 be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
 CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
 cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
 however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
 Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
 areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
 their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
 on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
 their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
 (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
 reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap)
 get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.
 
 When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt,
 Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they
 created the Equal Support Rule.  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's
 suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC
 (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could
 move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the
 same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe
 Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get
 $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using
 their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless
 (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not
 need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting 
 model.
 
 Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it
 had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return
 regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs
 are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is
 still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their
 rate of return and the same low prices.  So they keep their subsidy,
 and USF ends up paying twice!  This is the FCC's justification for
 wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have
 simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto,
 regardless of what the law actually says.  A few years ago, they
 capped CETC support.  If a new CETC comes into an area, their subsidy
 comes out of other CETCs, no longer equal support.  The total is
 

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, in most Bell territories you can get service from a CLEC.  In most 
RLEC cases, there are many things they don't have to do, including port 
numbers.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 2/12/2011 4:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 With competition the ILEC's would have to actually take care of their 
 customers instead of treating them like they don't have a choice. I remember 
 the day I cut the cord from bell. It was a memorable moment.

 Sent from my iPhone4

 On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net  wrote:

 It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
 it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
 didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
 source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
 of subsidy money to rural states.

 USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
 uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
 switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
 call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
 explicit cash subsidies.

 Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools   Libraries, Rural
 Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
 High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
 money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
 rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
 costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
 the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
 them hold down the rate.

 But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
 study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
 (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
 Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
 Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
 California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
 heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.

 The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
 areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
 supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
 big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
 urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
 typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
 which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
 be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
 CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
 cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
 however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
 Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
 areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
 their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
 on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
 their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
 (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
 reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap)
 get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.

 When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt,
 Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they
 created the Equal Support Rule.  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's
 suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC
 (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could
 move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the
 same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe
 Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get
 $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using
 their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless
 (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not
 need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting 
 model.

 Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it
 had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return
 regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs
 are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is
 still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their
 rate of return and the same low prices.  So they keep their subsidy,
 and USF ends up paying twice!  This is the FCC's justification for
 wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-12 Thread Jeremie Chism
I've actually ran into some centurytel areas that you can't port numbers. The 
customers hate the service and if they could port their numbers they would be 
gone. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Well, in most Bell territories you can get service from a CLEC.  In most 
 RLEC cases, there are many things they don't have to do, including port 
 numbers.
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 2/12/2011 4:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 With competition the ILEC's would have to actually take care of their 
 customers instead of treating them like they don't have a choice. I remember 
 the day I cut the cord from bell. It was a memorable moment.
 
 Sent from my iPhone4
 
 On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net  wrote:
 
 It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it.
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
 it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
 didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
 source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
 of subsidy money to rural states.
 
 USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
 uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
 switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
 call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
 explicit cash subsidies.
 
 Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools   Libraries, Rural
 Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
 High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
 money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
 rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
 costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
 the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
 them hold down the rate.
 
 But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
 study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
 (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
 Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
 Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
 California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
 heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.
 
 The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
 areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
 supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
 big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
 urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
 typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
 which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
 be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
 CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
 cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
 however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
 Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
 areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
 their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
 on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
 their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
 (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
 reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap)
 get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.
 
 When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt,
 Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they
 created the Equal Support Rule.  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's
 suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC
 (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could
 move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the
 same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe
 Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get
 $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using
 their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless
 (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not
 need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting 
 model.
 
 Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it
 had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return
 regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs
 are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, 

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Fred,  this was a great explanation!

Thanks,

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
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On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
 it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
 didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
 source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
 of subsidy money to rural states.

 USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
 uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
 switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
 call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
 explicit cash subsidies.

 Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
 Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
 High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
 money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
 rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
 costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
 the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
 them hold down the rate.

 But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
 study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
 (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
 Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
 Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
 California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
 heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.

 The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
 areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
 supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
 big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
 urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
 typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
 which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
 be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
 CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
 cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
 however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
 Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
 areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
 their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
 on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
 their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
 (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
 reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap)
 get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.

 When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt,
 Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they
 created the Equal Support Rule.  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's
 suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC
 (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could
 move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the
 same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe
 Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get
 $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using
 their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless
 (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not
 need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting
model.

 Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it
 had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return
 regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs
 are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is
 still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their
 rate of return and the same low prices.  So they keep their subsidy,
 and USF ends up paying twice!  This is the FCC's justification for
 wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have
 simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto,
 regardless of what the law actually says.  A few years ago, they
 capped CETC support.  If a new CETC comes into an area, their subsidy
 comes out of other CETCs, no longer equal support.  The total is
 supposed to phase down to 0 over five years.

 BTW the biggest CETCs were cellular carriers, including Sprint, ATT
 Mobility and its predecessors, and some Verizon Wireless
 acquisitions.  VZ and I think Sprint agreed to phase out their CETC
 support as merger conditions.  CLECs got a rather small 

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
 it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
 didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
 source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
 of subsidy money to rural states.

 USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
 uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
 switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
 call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
 explicit cash subsidies.

 Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
 Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
 High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
 money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
 rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
 costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
 the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
 them hold down the rate.

 But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
 study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
 (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
 Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
 Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
 California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
 heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.

 The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
 areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
 supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
 big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
 urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
 typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
 which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
 be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
 CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
 cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
 however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
 Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
 areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
 their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
 on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
 their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
 (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
 reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap)
 get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.

 When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt,
 Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they
 created the Equal Support Rule.  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's
 suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC
 (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could
 move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the
 same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe
 Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get
 $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using
 their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless
 (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not
 need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting 
 model.

 Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it
 had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return
 regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs
 are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is
 still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their
 rate of return and the same low prices.  So they keep their subsidy,
 and USF ends up paying twice!  This is the FCC's justification for
 wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have
 simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto,
 regardless of what the law actually says.  A few years ago, they
 capped CETC support.  If a new CETC comes into an area, their subsidy
 comes out of other CETCs, no longer equal support.  The total is
 supposed to phase down to 0 over five years.

 BTW the biggest CETCs were cellular carriers, including Sprint, ATT
 Mobility and its predecessors, and some Verizon Wireless
 acquisitions.  VZ and I think Sprint agreed to phase out their CETC
 support as merger conditions.  CLECs got a rather small share of the
 pie.  WISPS 

[WISPA] OT: Cisco line card

2011-02-12 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi,

Has anyone ever used a Cisco 3GE-GBIC-SC line card in a 12000 series 
router and a WS-G5483 GBIC module (copper)? The data sheet on the line 
card says it requires a fiber GBIC module, yet the single GE line card 
will use a copper GBIC without an issue.

Travis
Microserv




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