[WISPA] Intro.
Greetings all. I thought I would make a brief introduction as I have just signed up. I hope I can be of help. Best wishes, Will Sent from my HTC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Hi Will, Nice to see you here and welcome to WISPA! Can you tell us a little about you and your WISP J Best, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://www.farmingtonmo.us/blog BLOG: FarmingtonMO.us 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband St. Louis WISP since 2003 SBA Certified WOSB http://stlbroadband.com/ STLBBLogo WISPA Board of Directors 2010 - 2011 WISPA - Missouri State Coordinator http://wispa.org/ Wispa_logo2008SM CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of wphipp...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 3:19 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Intro. Greetings all. I thought I would make a brief introduction as I have just signed up. I hope I can be of help. Best wishes, Will Sent from my HTC image001.jpgimage002.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Jack, Go ahead and pen a template and post it for others to enhance as needed for their areas. Enhancing it for their areas and sent to their representatives for their areas will make more sense to those representatives when mentioning landmarks and such. -- Original Message -- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:52:57 -0800 Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Thanks Victoria. My main interest lies with white space spectrum. I am especially interested in how access to the white space spectrum will open up. I think it could be of great benefit to government, industry and consumers if a workable and simple way if utilizing unused bands could be developed. Best wishes, Will Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Date: Sat, Feb 12, 2011 12:53 Subject: [WISPA] Intro. To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Hi Will, Nice to see you here and welcome to WISPA! Can you tell us a little about you and your WISP J Best, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://www.farmingtonmo.us/blog BLOG: FarmingtonMO.us 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband St. Louis WISP since 2003 SBA Certified WOSB http://stlbroadband.com/ STLBBLogo WISPA Board of Directors 2010 - 2011 WISPA - Missouri State Coordinator http://wispa.org/ Wispa_logo2008SM CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of wphipp...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 3:19 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Intro. Greetings all. I thought I would make a brief introduction as I have just signed up. I hope I can be of help. Best wishes, Will Sent from my HTC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few steps. -drew On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople, however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board. I am a true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market. I very strongly don't believe in socialism. I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment have a clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites and speech fodder. wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some steps that would really help make some changes and mature this industry.. I'll try to put some of those down and post them up early next week. Marco On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Marco, Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way that may cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken seriously. If you would like me to re-write a future letter for you so that it makes it's points in a more considerate way, I'll be happy to help you with that. I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go to make elected officials aware that all wireless isn't mobile. They seem unaware that WISPs supply FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND and that mobile broadband is (like Matt Larsen says) toy broadband. Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together and get our message about the benefits of FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND out to Congress? jack On 2/10/2011 2:27 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: Here's some more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama my response: Dear Mr. President, I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up. Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's still adds more work for those who have
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Well than Will, you came to the right place! I believe that WISPA was pretty much responsible for getting that approved by the FCC. Where is your WISP service? Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wphipp...@gmail.com [mailto:wphipp...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:26 AM To: St. Louis Broadband; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intro. Thanks Victoria. My main interest lies with white space spectrum. I am especially interested in how access to the white space spectrum will open up. I think it could be of great benefit to government, industry and consumers if a workable and simple way if utilizing unused bands could be developed. Best wishes, Will Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Date: Sat, Feb 12, 2011 12:53 Subject: [WISPA] Intro. To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Hi Will, Nice to see you here and welcome to WISPA! Can you tell us a little about you and your WISP J Best, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://www.farmingtonmo.us/blog BLOG: FarmingtonMO.us 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband St. Louis WISP since 2003 SBA Certified WOSB http://stlbroadband.com/ STLBBLogo WISPA Board of Directors 2010 - 2011 WISPA - Missouri State Coordinator http://wispa.org/ Wispa_logo2008SM CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of wphipp...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 3:19 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Intro. Greetings all. I thought I would make a brief introduction as I have just signed up. I hope I can be of help. Best wishes, Will Sent from my HTC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a 'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits . haven't seen that part yet . I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few steps. -drew On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople, however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board. I am a true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market. I very strongly don't believe in socialism. I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment have a clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites and speech fodder. wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some steps that would really help make some changes and mature this industry.. I'll try to put some of those down and post them up early next week. Marco On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Marco, Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way that may cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken seriously. If you would like me to re-write a future letter for you so that it makes it's points in a more considerate way, I'll be happy to help you with that. I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go to make elected officials aware that all wireless isn't mobile. They seem unaware
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Comments inline On 2/12/2011 8:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. Rather it is USF TAX DOLLARS. Come on, it is a government charge to redistribute the wealth, i.e., tax dollars. And I believe the current discussion is to create a new USF, so a new TAX stream. This is also the same network plan thatmy companydevelopedand handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a'community based'so that the local communities shared in the profits...haven't seen that part yet... I don't want to share profits with the local community. I want to be able to run my capitalistic business for my shareholder's profit. Sure, we do the public good, we participate it community events, have been members of local government committees, but that does not mean we want to share the $$$. I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC...breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. When was the last time you saw a monopoly broken up so there was competition? The telco monopoly has never been disbanded, just the name changed. Instead of one big Bell, there were multiple RBOCs, many of which have merged. But there is still only one ILEC (hence the name) and there is no way Washing is going to do anything to disband those big dollars. We may be able to get a small share of anything new, but the bulk will always go to where it can come back from the fastest. ***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* ___www.ShowMeBroadband.com_file://www.ShowMeBroadband.com ___www.StLouisBroadband.com_file://www.StLouisBroadband.com ___www.FarmingtonForum.com_http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few steps. -drew On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM,
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In line Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: Scott Reed [mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:54 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Comments inline On 2/12/2011 8:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. Rather it is USF TAX DOLLARS. Come on, it is a government charge to redistribute the wealth, i.e., tax dollars. And I believe the current discussion is to create a new USF, so a new TAX stream. [] If you want to say that the payment on your phone bill is the same as the IRS, ok, but I don't think that is technically correct. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a 'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits . haven't seen that part yet . I don't want to share profits with the local community. I want to be able to run my capitalistic business for my shareholder's profit. Sure, we do the public good, we participate it community events, have been members of local government committees, but that does not mean we want to share the $$$. [] When a community based network is setup, it is the same as having share holders, because they have an investment in the project. I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. When was the last time you saw a monopoly broken up so there was competition? The telco monopoly has never been disbanded, just the name changed. Instead of one big Bell, there were multiple RBOCs, many of which have merged. But there is still only one ILEC (hence the name) and there is no way Washing is going to do anything to disband those big dollars. We may be able to get a small share of anything new, but the bulk will always go to where it can come back from the fastest. [] Agreed! Maybe they are really trying to fix it! As least that is the impression that I got from Chopra and Genachowski. And I did have at least half hour conversations with each. BTW - The big dollars aren't going to be so big when the networks move from copper to wireless and they lose their government tit, the USF. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO file:///\\www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.ShowMeBroadband.com file:///\\www.StLouisBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz mailto:d...@drewlentz.com d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band
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You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan thatmy companydevelopedand handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a'community based'so that the local communities shared in the profits...haven't seen that part yet... I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC...breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. ***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* ___www.ShowMeBroadband.com_file://www.ShowMeBroadband.com ___www.StLouisBroadband.com_file://www.StLouisBroadband.com ___www.FarmingtonForum.com_http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few steps. -drew On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople, however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board. I am a true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market. I very strongly don't believe in socialism. I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment have a clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites and speech fodder. wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some steps that would really help make some changes and mature this industry.. I'll try to put some of those down and post them up early next week. Marco On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM,
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How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a 'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits . haven't seen that part yet . I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO file:///\\www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.ShowMeBroadband.com file:///\\www.StLouisBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz mailto:d...@drewlentz.com d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few steps. -drew On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com wrote: I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople, however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board.
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T1 is far from legacy. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. *Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet … I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. *Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few steps. -drew On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho
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It speed is, according to the FCC. It is certainly not broadband. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:16 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world T1 is far from legacy. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a 'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits . haven't seen that part yet . I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com mailto:d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that
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Around here T1's are considered slow. And bonding them is far to expensive. Every customer we have switched over from a CLEC wants to dump their T1 for something faster. Honestly on our VoIP customers if we can't service them they get Comcast with our VOIP service. I think the T1 is the biggest thing hurting the clec's. Its hard for them to compete with comcast fiber or me I worked for two and actually had one just recently offer me a large salary to come work for them. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: T1 is far from legacy. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet … I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA commercial .. take it as a
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If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being done. Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or charging your customer too much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: T1 is far from legacy. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com mailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. *Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* www.ShowMeBroadband.com http://www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet … I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. *Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com mailto:d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we
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I am working with a company for VoIP and they are not a CLEC and do have access to PSTN. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world The ILECs do not sell VoIP AFAIK. A CLEC is the only place to go for VoIP access. If you're buying VoIP from anyone, either they're a CLEC or they're buying from a CLEC. T1 was legacy before there was a replacement. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 8:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a 'community based' so that the local communities shared in the profits . haven't seen that part yet . I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC . breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO file:///\\%5C%5Cwww.ShowMeBroadband.com www.ShowMeBroadband.com file:///\\%5C%5Cwww.StLouisBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz mailto:d...@drewlentz.com d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that be (whether
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Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do distance medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed. It's about 34 miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being done. Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or charging your customer too much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: T1 is far from legacy. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet … I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that be (whether it be the FCC, the
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Ø Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. Yeah and the LEC is probably collecting $20k per year for it! And doing very little maintenance, if any, on their network. This is why these guys are so big, cut off their outrageous funding and see who is left standing for innovation! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do distance medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed. It's about 34 miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being done. Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or charging your customer too much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: T1 is far from legacy. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet … I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz mailto:d...@drewlentz.com d...@drewlentz.com Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600 Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to
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Exactly. My wisp is small in comparison to many on here (only generating 15K per month) but I did it myself without outside funding whether it be government or other sources. But it is mine. It's reliable. And it has high profit margins. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:39 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Ø Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. Yeah and the LEC is probably collecting $20k per year for it! And doing very little maintenance, if any, on their network. This is why these guys are so big, cut off their outrageous funding and see who is left standing for innovation! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do distance medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed. It's about 34 miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being done. Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or charging your customer too much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: T1 is far from legacy. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet … I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 million dollar figure. Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible. Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people. With that, Go Buckeyes !! -- Original Message
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And this is the exact same network the NTIA, hopefully, will look at to help subsidize for more rural build out. This is, as least, my hope. Copper is out, wireless is in! J Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: Jeremie Chism [mailto:jchi...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:42 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Exactly. My wisp is small in comparison to many on here (only generating 15K per month) but I did it myself without outside funding whether it be government or other sources. But it is mine. It's reliable. And it has high profit margins. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:39 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Ø Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. Yeah and the LEC is probably collecting $20k per year for it! And doing very little maintenance, if any, on their network. This is why these guys are so big, cut off their outrageous funding and see who is left standing for innovation! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do distance medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed. It's about 34 miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being done. Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or charging your customer too much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: T1 is far from legacy. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: How are they the only source for VoIP? T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they will be selling much of that in the future. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world You wouldn't want to disband CLECs. They're the ones that usually deliver T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Stuart, This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars. This is USF funds that have already been collected. This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra. Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless. It was also a ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … haven’t seen that part yet … I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the monopoly! At least this is what I am hoping for. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it brings now and the future. Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades yea ! This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly back to the people. If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent
[WISPA] Fwd: Cruzio peering
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FYI - Original Message Return-Path: nanog-bounces+charles=knownelement@nanog.org X-Original-To: char...@knownelement.com Delivered-To: char...@knownelement.com Received: from s0.nanog.org (s0.nanog.org [198.108.95.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.knownelement.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EB102D86139for char...@knownelement.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:39:28 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=s0.nanog.org) by s0.nanog.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from nanog-boun...@nanog.org) id 1Pnkni-0002DR-LN; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 04:40:10 + Received: from smtp.mompl.net ([63.249.90.196] helo=mompl.net) by s0.nanog.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from jer...@mompl.net) id 1PnkmZ-000139-Rg for na...@nanog.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 04:39:00 + Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ASSP.nospam) by mompl.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from jer...@mompl.net) id 1Pnklh-0008Kg-ETfor na...@nanog.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:38:05 -0800 Received: from mompl.net ([127.0.0.1] helo=mompl.net) with IPv4:26 by ASSP.nospam; 10 Feb 2011 20:38:05 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mompl.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32)(Exim 4.72) (envelope-from jer...@mompl.net) id 1Pnklh-0008Kd-20 for na...@nanog.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:38:05 -0800 Message-ID: 4d54bd24.8090...@mompl.net Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:37:56 -0800 From: Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101227 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nanog na...@nanog.org Subject: Cruzio peering Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Assp-Version: 1.7.5.8(0.0.11) on ASSP.nospam X-Assp-Passing: relayPort X-Assp-ID: ASSP.nospam id-99085-02457 X-Assp-Intended-For: na...@nanog.org X-Assp-Envelope-From: jer...@mompl.net X-BeenThere: na...@nanog.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: North American Network Operators Group nanog.nanog.org List-Unsubscribe: https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog, mailto:nanog-requ...@nanog.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog List-Post: mailto:na...@nanog.org List-Help: mailto:nanog-requ...@nanog.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog, mailto:nanog-requ...@nanog.org?subject=subscribe Errors-To: nanog-bounces+charles=knownelement@nanog.org A Cruzio employee kindly provided me with the following information regarding their peering and connectivity. I pasted it below (with permission) because I thought it might be of use to others: Cruzio maintains a backbone of wireless points of presence (POP) on various mountain tops overlooking the Monterey Bay, South San Francisco Bay, and Silicon Valley Regions. Cruzio wireless POPs are present on Mount Umunhum, Mount Allison, Loma Prieta and Black Mountain to name a few. Cruzio wireless POPs are fed from the Equinix San Jose facility. At Equinix, Cruzio is cross connected into a peering exchange to an aggregate of content providers which include Google, You Tube and several others. Non-peered connectivity is provided by Above.net who is also colocated in that facility. Cruzio leases dark fiber on the cable built and owned by Sunesys, which is also used by UCSC. This fiber cable links the Cruzio facility at 877 Cedar Street in downtown Santa Cruz with the Level 3 Sunnyvale facility 46 miles away. Connectivity to the Internet is provided by Level 3 and Cogent. A high-speed/high-bandwidth wireless link connects the Cruzio 877 Cedar facility with the Equinix San Jose facility via Mount Umunhum to provide a wireless failover to the fiber in event of a fiber outage. Cruzio wholesales ATT DSL. All DSL traffic is aggregated over ATT fiber to the 200 Paul Avenue facility where it is connected to the Internet through a variety of providers. While the fiber and new data center are being turned up and tested, Cruzio hosted servers remain connected over ATT fiber to the he.net Fremont 1 facility. Connectivity to the Internet is through he.net, who are themselves connected and peered to multiple Tier 1 providers. - -- http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNVq7WAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtwMQQAIaRTLjs4M6unu5YWtiI9ARP 6Uib14wpQOLkfgyiADf5B13a4WNLLi9aLDHkLfodVRHgEksjQudcULRHtgpGNr1l GPrp7N/MzqriiGA2v9P4MOt7/mfL/Y2sIlkZfDehfNMzVF7i2MgjfouuuBn4ZeJ6 w3uTe28oVCmWgIELBCKqnuOSLN1SSXPEnwh3Sb3vKoiRrvwgfuvmDXtevJokix/x sz3GHlPU09DZUGzwQ1YoV51W3vZ1BLJ6DgPBc4qjb8GcJYQQ8KlI3RIcbkqUNCeg MCurdFuGwEN2m8natPtMV8oeCDUcwx7EOV25tprK7EB9cjesvmZeaIyrw7JieAqn
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
At 2/12/2011 09:35 AM, MikeH wrote: Then they're buying from a CLEC. There is no technical way of doing so without a CLEC, ILEC, or cellular carrier involved for inbound service. Outbound VoIP requires an IXC. Correct. In order to interconnect with the rest of the PSTN, you need to be a certificated carrier, and that means ILEC, CLEC, or CMRS (wireless licensee). Or IXC, which isn't certificated but which has legal obligations. All of the VoIP resellers out there have CLECs in the loop, very often Level 3 or Paetec, who have large footprints, but also local ones in some places. The term T1 is confusing. It technically refers to a long-obsolete DS1-speed carrier system, but is used to refer to anything that runs at the DS1 rate. For broadband data, that's slow by today's standards, though for real business applications (no video), it tends to be pretty good. So a lot of businesses use T1s, which a CLEC can often get at a cost-based rate, vs. the outrageous Special Access tariff price. But a DS1 circuit (isochronous, channelized) is how the whole PSTN does its interconnection. So a VoIP provider might buy PRIs from a CLEC. A PRI is a DS1 circuit with (typically) 23 bearer channels (64000 bps, used for voice calls though possibly circuit-switched data too) and one D channel (signaling). The CLEC, in turn, interconnects with other carriers using DS1-rate bearer links and signaling over the separate SS7 network. A CLEC certificate can often be handy for an ISP... -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] A quick primer on USF
First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed it. The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones didn't do, and that's the problem. The FCC sees the spectrum as a source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source of subsidy money to rural states. USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it. USF replaced an even uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the call. VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are explicit cash subsidies. Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools Libraries, Rural Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now, High Cost Support. This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax money anyway. The statutory requirement is that rural telephone rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones. So if it really costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let them hold down the rate. But it's a lot more complicated than that. Cost is averaged across a study area, which is in general the operating territory of one (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state. So South Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell- Tennessee is another. Verizon has at least two study areas in California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE. CenturyTel has a heap of them all over the place, as does TDS. The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones. So Qwest in Omaha is supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska. Thus the big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have urban areas. That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc., which supports very few subscribers. So the OpEx per subscriber can be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient. If TDS or CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate... cost goes down but the money still flows! (The pending NPRM does however at least open the issue of merging study areas.) And the Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural areas. So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise their margins. The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap) get new subsidy flows for them. So we're screwed both ways. When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt, Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too. So they created the Equal Support Rule. This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's suggested voucher system. A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could move into an area whose ILEC got USF. The CETC would then get the same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC. So if East Overshoe Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter). Northern Wireless (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting model. Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it had a big problem. The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return regulation. So their profit margin is fixed. Most of their costs are fixed too. So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their rate of return and the same low prices. So they keep their subsidy, and USF ends up paying twice! This is the FCC's justification for wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto, regardless of what the law actually says. A few years ago, they capped CETC support. If a new CETC comes into an area, their subsidy comes out of other CETCs, no longer equal support. The total is supposed to phase down to 0 over five years. BTW the biggest CETCs were cellular carriers, including Sprint, ATT Mobility and its predecessors, and some Verizon Wireless acquisitions. VZ and I think Sprint agreed to phase out their CETC support as merger conditions. CLECs got a rather small share of the pie. WISPS need not apply, since they're not carriers, and the support was technically for voice. Oh, voice? Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is allowed to do practically anything so long
Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF
With competition the ILEC's would have to actually take care of their customers instead of treating them like they don't have a choice. I remember the day I cut the cord from bell. It was a memorable moment. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed it. The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones didn't do, and that's the problem. The FCC sees the spectrum as a source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source of subsidy money to rural states. USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it. USF replaced an even uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the call. VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are explicit cash subsidies. Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools Libraries, Rural Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now, High Cost Support. This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax money anyway. The statutory requirement is that rural telephone rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones. So if it really costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let them hold down the rate. But it's a lot more complicated than that. Cost is averaged across a study area, which is in general the operating territory of one (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state. So South Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell- Tennessee is another. Verizon has at least two study areas in California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE. CenturyTel has a heap of them all over the place, as does TDS. The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones. So Qwest in Omaha is supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska. Thus the big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have urban areas. That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc., which supports very few subscribers. So the OpEx per subscriber can be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient. If TDS or CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate... cost goes down but the money still flows! (The pending NPRM does however at least open the issue of merging study areas.) And the Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural areas. So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise their margins. The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap) get new subsidy flows for them. So we're screwed both ways. When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt, Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too. So they created the Equal Support Rule. This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's suggested voucher system. A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could move into an area whose ILEC got USF. The CETC would then get the same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC. So if East Overshoe Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter). Northern Wireless (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting model. Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it had a big problem. The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return regulation. So their profit margin is fixed. Most of their costs are fixed too. So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their rate of return and the same low prices. So they keep their subsidy, and USF ends up paying twice! This is the FCC's justification for wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto, regardless of what the law actually says. A few years ago, they capped CETC support. If a new CETC comes into an area, their subsidy comes out of other CETCs, no longer equal support. The total is
Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF
Well, in most Bell territories you can get service from a CLEC. In most RLEC cases, there are many things they don't have to do, including port numbers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 4:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: With competition the ILEC's would have to actually take care of their customers instead of treating them like they don't have a choice. I remember the day I cut the cord from bell. It was a memorable moment. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed it. The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones didn't do, and that's the problem. The FCC sees the spectrum as a source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source of subsidy money to rural states. USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it. USF replaced an even uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the call. VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are explicit cash subsidies. Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools Libraries, Rural Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now, High Cost Support. This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax money anyway. The statutory requirement is that rural telephone rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones. So if it really costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let them hold down the rate. But it's a lot more complicated than that. Cost is averaged across a study area, which is in general the operating territory of one (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state. So South Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell- Tennessee is another. Verizon has at least two study areas in California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE. CenturyTel has a heap of them all over the place, as does TDS. The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones. So Qwest in Omaha is supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska. Thus the big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have urban areas. That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc., which supports very few subscribers. So the OpEx per subscriber can be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient. If TDS or CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate... cost goes down but the money still flows! (The pending NPRM does however at least open the issue of merging study areas.) And the Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural areas. So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise their margins. The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap) get new subsidy flows for them. So we're screwed both ways. When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt, Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too. So they created the Equal Support Rule. This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's suggested voucher system. A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could move into an area whose ILEC got USF. The CETC would then get the same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC. So if East Overshoe Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter). Northern Wireless (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting model. Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it had a big problem. The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return regulation. So their profit margin is fixed. Most of their costs are fixed too. So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their rate of return and the same low prices. So they keep their subsidy, and USF ends up paying twice! This is the FCC's justification for wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have
Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF
I've actually ran into some centurytel areas that you can't port numbers. The customers hate the service and if they could port their numbers they would be gone. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Well, in most Bell territories you can get service from a CLEC. In most RLEC cases, there are many things they don't have to do, including port numbers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 4:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: With competition the ILEC's would have to actually take care of their customers instead of treating them like they don't have a choice. I remember the day I cut the cord from bell. It was a memorable moment. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed it. The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones didn't do, and that's the problem. The FCC sees the spectrum as a source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source of subsidy money to rural states. USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it. USF replaced an even uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the call. VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are explicit cash subsidies. Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools Libraries, Rural Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now, High Cost Support. This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax money anyway. The statutory requirement is that rural telephone rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones. So if it really costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let them hold down the rate. But it's a lot more complicated than that. Cost is averaged across a study area, which is in general the operating territory of one (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state. So South Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell- Tennessee is another. Verizon has at least two study areas in California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE. CenturyTel has a heap of them all over the place, as does TDS. The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones. So Qwest in Omaha is supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska. Thus the big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have urban areas. That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc., which supports very few subscribers. So the OpEx per subscriber can be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient. If TDS or CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate... cost goes down but the money still flows! (The pending NPRM does however at least open the issue of merging study areas.) And the Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural areas. So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise their margins. The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap) get new subsidy flows for them. So we're screwed both ways. When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt, Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too. So they created the Equal Support Rule. This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's suggested voucher system. A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could move into an area whose ILEC got USF. The CETC would then get the same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC. So if East Overshoe Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter). Northern Wireless (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting model. Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it had a big problem. The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return regulation. So their profit margin is fixed. Most of their costs are fixed too. So if the CETC takes lines away,
Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF
Fred, this was a great explanation! Thanks, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed it. The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones didn't do, and that's the problem. The FCC sees the spectrum as a source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source of subsidy money to rural states. USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it. USF replaced an even uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the call. VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are explicit cash subsidies. Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools Libraries, Rural Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now, High Cost Support. This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax money anyway. The statutory requirement is that rural telephone rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones. So if it really costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let them hold down the rate. But it's a lot more complicated than that. Cost is averaged across a study area, which is in general the operating territory of one (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state. So South Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell- Tennessee is another. Verizon has at least two study areas in California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE. CenturyTel has a heap of them all over the place, as does TDS. The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones. So Qwest in Omaha is supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska. Thus the big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have urban areas. That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc., which supports very few subscribers. So the OpEx per subscriber can be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient. If TDS or CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate... cost goes down but the money still flows! (The pending NPRM does however at least open the issue of merging study areas.) And the Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural areas. So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise their margins. The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap) get new subsidy flows for them. So we're screwed both ways. When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt, Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too. So they created the Equal Support Rule. This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's suggested voucher system. A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could move into an area whose ILEC got USF. The CETC would then get the same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC. So if East Overshoe Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter). Northern Wireless (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting model. Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it had a big problem. The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return regulation. So their profit margin is fixed. Most of their costs are fixed too. So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their rate of return and the same low prices. So they keep their subsidy, and USF ends up paying twice! This is the FCC's justification for wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto, regardless of what the law actually says. A few years ago, they capped CETC support. If a new CETC comes into an area, their subsidy comes out of other CETCs, no longer equal support. The total is supposed to phase down to 0 over five years. BTW the biggest CETCs were cellular carriers, including Sprint, ATT Mobility and its predecessors, and some Verizon Wireless acquisitions. VZ and I think Sprint agreed to phase out their CETC support as merger conditions. CLECs got a rather small
Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF
It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed it. The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones didn't do, and that's the problem. The FCC sees the spectrum as a source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source of subsidy money to rural states. USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it. USF replaced an even uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the call. VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are explicit cash subsidies. Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools Libraries, Rural Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now, High Cost Support. This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax money anyway. The statutory requirement is that rural telephone rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones. So if it really costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let them hold down the rate. But it's a lot more complicated than that. Cost is averaged across a study area, which is in general the operating territory of one (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state. So South Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell- Tennessee is another. Verizon has at least two study areas in California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE. CenturyTel has a heap of them all over the place, as does TDS. The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones. So Qwest in Omaha is supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska. Thus the big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have urban areas. That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc., which supports very few subscribers. So the OpEx per subscriber can be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient. If TDS or CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate... cost goes down but the money still flows! (The pending NPRM does however at least open the issue of merging study areas.) And the Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural areas. So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise their margins. The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap) get new subsidy flows for them. So we're screwed both ways. When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt, Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too. So they created the Equal Support Rule. This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's suggested voucher system. A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could move into an area whose ILEC got USF. The CETC would then get the same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC. So if East Overshoe Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter). Northern Wireless (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting model. Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it had a big problem. The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return regulation. So their profit margin is fixed. Most of their costs are fixed too. So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their rate of return and the same low prices. So they keep their subsidy, and USF ends up paying twice! This is the FCC's justification for wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto, regardless of what the law actually says. A few years ago, they capped CETC support. If a new CETC comes into an area, their subsidy comes out of other CETCs, no longer equal support. The total is supposed to phase down to 0 over five years. BTW the biggest CETCs were cellular carriers, including Sprint, ATT Mobility and its predecessors, and some Verizon Wireless acquisitions. VZ and I think Sprint agreed to phase out their CETC support as merger conditions. CLECs got a rather small share of the pie. WISPS
[WISPA] OT: Cisco line card
Hi, Has anyone ever used a Cisco 3GE-GBIC-SC line card in a 12000 series router and a WS-G5483 GBIC module (copper)? The data sheet on the line card says it requires a fiber GBIC module, yet the single GE line card will use a copper GBIC without an issue. Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/