Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members Demographics
sarcasm insert your sarcasm here /sarcasm Greg On Mar 1, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm still waiting for someone to invent sarcasm font. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:54 AM, John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com wrote: Sorry Cliff. There is no way to read tone in email. A smiley face :-)at the end usually helps let folks know when something is tongue in cheek like that. If you read your note as sarcasm it is funny. I thought you were being serious. Hence my backlash. All is well! All the best, Scriv On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Cliff Leboeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.com wrote: John, My apology to you and anyone else that may have taken offense to my JOKE. Believe me that is all it was meant to be. However, this society has become so politically correct, and litigious, it dose sometimes make me sick. Hence my JOKE of needing so many attorneys on the committee to make sure we don't offend ANYONE. I would consider helping if I can and you think adding me would be helpful. Let me know the role, responsibility and commitment needed. Based on what you desire, I would only agree if I could commit to be a asset. I'd never agree to be on a committee and not participate. - Cliff LeBoeuf Computer Sales Services, Inc. 985-879-3219 Www.cssla.com From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:28:01 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members Demographics On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Cliff Leboeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.com wrote: It's really disappointing that THREE attorneys are needed to make sure things stay Kosher. Cliff, did you just offer to help us with this effort? I am married to an attorney. Many of my friends are attorneys. I have been able to legally run my business and create several organizations with the help of attorneys. When I saw we had 3 attorneys offering to help us make sure we have done things in a legal and proper way I was very glad to see that. I appreciate their legal experience and expertise being shared within this committee. I do not think that anyone in our committee was even considering that we would not do things in a Kosher way and frankly I find this post somewhat offensive. I have committed literally years of free support to WISPA in matters such as this and I do not expect much but not getting intellectually kicked around for my efforts would be a nice start. John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance
The FBI told me (and I am paraphrasing) that if you work with them that they will work with you. Basically as long as you are not acting like you do not think they have a right to do the tap and are not being a pain in the behind then you will get all the support you need from them in a lawful intercept situation. I would say that having this box on the shelf shows your intentions of being compliant to the act. CALEA is all about 2 things. It is about making sure that tools exist to find and stop crime on the Internet and about making sure that we help be a check against government becoming too intrusive. CALEA has many regs which say when we are doing too much to help tap connections. The WISPA CALEA standard was created to act as a guideline for WISPs. It tells precisely what our obligations are in helping assure we can perform lawful intercepts in our network and in preventing overstepping the bounds of what is lawful. Scriv On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, but the FBI wouldn't know I stuck the hardware there at the last minute. And the tower glitches off whenever I do a firmware upgrade anyway. The customer wouldn't know the difference. On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Depends who you ask. Some might say the customer could notice a change in network and hence non compliant. On Mar 5, 2011 10:43 PM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote: Would I cover myself for calea by having a mikrotik router on the shelf, set up as a bridge, with the calea module installed. Then if I get subpoenaed for a tap, I just run out to the appropriate tower and put it on the ethernet interface of whichever AP the subscriber is on? Thanks, Roger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance
On 03/06/2011 09:18 AM, John Scrivner wrote: The FBI told me (and I am paraphrasing) that if you work with them that they will work with you. Basically as long as you are not acting like you do not think they have a right to do the tap and are not being a pain in the behind then you will get all the support you need from them in a lawful intercept situation. I would say that having this box on the shelf shows your intentions of being compliant to the act. CALEA is all about 2 things. It is about making sure that tools exist to find and stop crime on the Internet and about making sure that we help be a check against government becoming too intrusive. Correct. Protect the rights of our customers, protect the rights of the service provider AND allow for what LEA needs to get a conviction for the guilty party. All of these are built into CALEA. CALEA has many regs which say when we are doing too much to help tap connections. The WISPA CALEA standard was created to act as a guideline for WISPs. It tells precisely what our obligations are in helping assure we can perform lawful intercepts in our network and in preventing overstepping the bounds of what is lawful. In addition, the WCS for IPNA provides technical requirements as well. It defines the technical standard that our software/hardware MUST meet. For the original poster: Be sure you are familiar enough with the way the MT handles the CALEA software so that you can properly capture this data for the LEA. Mikrotik's CALEA implementation is 2 parts. It requires a server AND a tap. One box CAN be both pieces. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * *NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance
The easy answer is if you get a warrant you should ask the agency for help before doing anything. They are more than willing to help in my experience. My advice is: 1.Get your attorney involved to the point they know what you are doing 2.Call the agency who the warrant is for and ask for technical assistance. They have done this many times and can make sure you don't mess things up. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support On 3/6/11 11:02 AM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On 03/06/2011 09:18 AM, John Scrivner wrote: The FBI told me (and I am paraphrasing) that if you work with them that they will work with you. Basically as long as you are not acting like you do not think they have a right to do the tap and are not being a pain in the behind then you will get all the support you need from them in a lawful intercept situation. I would say that having this box on the shelf shows your intentions of being compliant to the act. CALEA is all about 2 things. It is about making sure that tools exist to find and stop crime on the Internet and about making sure that we help be a check against government becoming too intrusive. Correct. Protect the rights of our customers, protect the rights of the service provider AND allow for what LEA needs to get a conviction for the guilty party. All of these are built into CALEA. CALEA has many regs which say when we are doing too much to help tap connections. The WISPA CALEA standard was created to act as a guideline for WISPs. It tells precisely what our obligations are in helping assure we can perform lawful intercepts in our network and in preventing overstepping the bounds of what is lawful. In addition, the WCS for IPNA provides technical requirements as well. It defines the technical standard that our software/hardware MUST meet. For the original poster: Be sure you are familiar enough with the way the MT handles the CALEA software so that you can properly capture this data for the LEA. Mikrotik's CALEA implementation is 2 parts. It requires a server AND a tap. One box CAN be both pieces. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * *NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Indoor N Mikrotik Router
Are there any companies making an indoor Wireless N solution based upon Mikrotik? I have a need for some indoor N series routers. Have been deploying the Netgear N300, but need an AP which supports POE for a few places. I would like to buy something pre-built if possible that is pleasing to be in an indoor environment. Thanks, Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles...
This reply represents my opinions and is not an official position of WISPA. There is no official position within WISPA regarding Net Nuetrality that I have ever seen. If there was then we would likely see it on our website and in our filings. The general consensus I have seen is that our focus is best placed in other areas. Nobody in WISPA wants pure Net Neutrality. There is some discussion that many believe that it should be applied to national carriers (those who sell pipes to other providers) to assure that the main pipes feeding WISPs are not turned into tollways for every piece of content. I am of the opinion that the larger national retail broadband carriers (CableCos, Telcos and Cellcos) will do the fighting to beat it no matter what position we take. So picking our battles is where I think we need to be. Net Neutrality is not the biggest obstacle we face. If auctions sell all the prime spectrum to the highest bidders then this is a far bigger obstacle to our future. If an Internet Tax (aka re-purposed USF and / or CAF) are allowed to come into play this will seriously harm WISPs as these will almost certainly be limited to ILECs, RBOCs and CMRS carriers. This will put many WISPs into the unfortunate position of having to collect taxes from their customers and in return seeing none of the money going to them. Worse it will help pay their competitors to put them out of business. So I believe WISPA is fighting more for spectrum issues and is working on how to position themselves regarding Internet Taxes. The USF issue may become tricky as we have many WISP members who are also ILECs and CLECs who would likely support some forms of USF. I am not in that category at all. I want to see ZERO INTERNET TAXES OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER. I have what I believe is an interesting slant that WISPs could benefit from regarding Net Neutrality. At this point there is enough fighting between the larger interests that nobody is really concentrating on an opportunity I feel we can all take advantage of. If we all upgrade our networks to meet Net Neutrality requirements in the future then an interesting benefit happens for our industry. Cellcos look at Net Neutrality as being absolute toxic to their models. They want to control all content and charge a premium for every bit that passes through their over-priced networks. This is their Achilles heal in my opinion. If we were to work toward expanding upstream and backhaul capacity, lowering subs per AP and lowering the bit over-subscription levels on our networks then we could use Net Neutrality principles as a marketing tool to give us an edge over the other alternatives including satellite and cellcos. Interestingly I am of the belief that I hope Net Neutrality fails not because I want to sell premium access to content to my subscribers but because I feel that I can use the idea of equal access to all content to make my service a better option to my customers than satellite or cellcos. In the end it means a more robust network which is always a good thing regardless of whether a regulation tells me to do it or not. Within a year I plan to have my network running at Net Neutrality abilities and at the same time hoping Net Neutrality regulation fails. I am covered either way as I see it. I believe in the long run that those who embrace the equal access principles of Net Neutrality, whether it is mandated or not, will be the carriers of choice by most all customers. I also believe you will see television over broadband becoming more and more prevalent which will be tough to support but will help drive adoption of fixed wireless (those who have robust enough networks to handle the load) in rural areas and fiber in urban deployments. So should WISPA try to fight the Net Neutrality battle or focus on other issues? You guys know where I stand. If anyone wants to be part of the effort to decide what WISPA does then join us. We can use your help. John Scrivner On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:07 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Rick, I didn't take any potshots at anyone. I linked a couple of short blurbs on the net.. and asked... What's WISPA's official stand or statement? Is there one? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org *Sent:* Saturday, March 05, 2011 7:49 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles... Mark, Why don’t you join WISPA and be part of the process instead of taking pot shots from the “hinterlands”. It is time you stepped up to be counted. For the record, I am personally “totally against” Network Neutrality; at least the versions that have been presented thus far. Forcing unmanaged network content on broadband infrastructure operators will have dire consequences in the operation of the Internet and the businesses that provide it.
Re: [WISPA] Indoor N Mikrotik Router
Does it need to be MikroTik? I just installed 8 UniFi AP's and the coverage is outstanding. The centralized control and information software puts it in a different class. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Indoor N Mikrotik Router Are there any companies making an indoor Wireless N solution based upon Mikrotik? I have a need for some indoor N series routers. Have been deploying the Netgear N300, but need an AP which supports POE for a few places. I would like to buy something pre-built if possible that is pleasing to be in an indoor environment. Thanks, Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3485 - Release Date: 03/06/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor N Mikrotik Router
+1 on the Unifi. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: Does it need to be MikroTik? I just installed 8 UniFi AP's and the coverage is outstanding. The centralized control and information software puts it in a different class. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:34 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Indoor N Mikrotik Router Are there any companies making an indoor Wireless N solution based upon Mikrotik? I have a need for some indoor N series routers. Have been deploying the Netgear N300, but need an AP which supports POE for a few places. I would like to buy something pre-built if possible that is pleasing to be in an indoor environment. Thanks, Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3485 - Release Date: 03/06/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure
Looking for a waterproof 3 position male/female connector assembly similar to the RJ45 assembly for an ARC Wireless enclosure. Needs to fit a 14/3 outdoor cable coming from a streetlight photocell adapter. Any suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure
If you just want to get the cable in use the stuff that comes with the enclosure. 14/3 should fit in there. If not, any electrical supply house should have similar device. If you want a plug/jack, I would go to the nearest electrical supply house and ask them what they have that will fit the hole. On 3/6/2011 4:32 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Looking for a waterproof 3 position male/female connector assembly similar to the RJ45 assembly for an ARC Wireless enclosure. Needs to fit a 14/3 outdoor cable coming from a streetlight photocell adapter. Any suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure
This might be of interest. http://www.fpolc.com/featured_products.htm On 3/6/2011 1:32 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Looking for a waterproof 3 position male/female connector assembly similar to the RJ45 assembly for an ARC Wireless enclosure. Needs to fit a 14/3 outdoor cable coming from a streetlight photocell adapter. Any suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor N Mikrotik Router
Hi, Do they require a CAT5 run to each AP, or are they repeaters as well? Travis On 3/6/2011 11:41 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Does it need to be MikroTik? I just installed 8 UniFi AP's and the coverage is outstanding. The centralized control and information software puts it in a different class. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:34 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Indoor N Mikrotik Router Are there any companies making an indoor Wireless N solution based upon Mikrotik? I have a need for some indoor N series routers. Have been deploying the Netgear N300, but need an AP which supports POE for a few places. I would like to buy something pre-built if possible that is pleasing to be in an indoor environment. Thanks, Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3485 - Release Date: 03/06/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure
Just a caution here, I doubt that the ARC enclosure is rated for 120V outdoor use. On 3/6/2011 4:32 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Looking for a waterproof 3 position male/female connector assembly similar to the RJ45 assembly for an ARC Wireless enclosure. Needs to fit a 14/3 outdoor cable coming from a streetlight photocell adapter. Any suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor N Mikrotik Router
As of now no mesh. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor N Mikrotik Router Hi, Do they require a CAT5 run to each AP, or are they repeaters as well? Travis On 3/6/2011 11:41 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Does it need to be MikroTik? I just installed 8 UniFi AP's and the coverage is outstanding. The centralized control and information software puts it in a different class. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Indoor N Mikrotik Router Are there any companies making an indoor Wireless N solution based upon Mikrotik? I have a need for some indoor N series routers. Have been deploying the Netgear N300, but need an AP which supports POE for a few places. I would like to buy something pre-built if possible that is pleasing to be in an indoor environment. Thanks, Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3485 - Release Date: 03/06/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3485 - Release Date: 03/06/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure
Why wouldn't it be? It's metal inside on all surfaces. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure Just a caution here, I doubt that the ARC enclosure is rated for 120V outdoor use. On 3/6/2011 4:32 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Looking for a waterproof 3 position male/female connector assembly similar to the RJ45 assembly for an ARC Wireless enclosure. Needs to fit a 14/3 outdoor cable coming from a streetlight photocell adapter. Any suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.nethttp://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3485 - Release Date: 03/06/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure
Weatherproofing. Lack of testing. I am not saying it couldn't be, just that it probably isn't as that is not the designed usage. And in many places, without a UL or similar rating, the local electrical inspector won't like it if he finds it. On 3/6/2011 5:10 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Why wouldn't it be? It's metal inside on all surfaces. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:07 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure Just a caution here, I doubt that the ARC enclosure is rated for 120V outdoor use. On 3/6/2011 4:32 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Looking for a waterproof 3 position male/female connector assembly similar to the RJ45 assembly for an ARC Wireless enclosure. Needs to fit a 14/3 outdoor cable coming from a streetlight photocell adapter. Any suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3485 - Release Date: 03/06/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure
Actually, right after sending the last e-mail, I thought, the weatherproofing may be the problem. Yes it is all metal inside, but the 2 pieces are not bonded to each other when you put in the gasket. No way to ensure a low resistance connection between the box and the back of the antenna. On 3/6/2011 5:16 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Weatherproofing. Lack of testing. I am not saying it couldn't be, just that it probably isn't as that is not the designed usage. And in many places, without a UL or similar rating, the local electrical inspector won't like it if he finds it. On 3/6/2011 5:10 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Why wouldn't it be? It's metal inside on all surfaces. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:07 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure Just a caution here, I doubt that the ARC enclosure is rated for 120V outdoor use. On 3/6/2011 4:32 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Looking for a waterproof 3 position male/female connector assembly similar to the RJ45 assembly for an ARC Wireless enclosure. Needs to fit a 14/3 outdoor cable coming from a streetlight photocell adapter. Any suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3485 - Release Date: 03/06/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure
Trailer lighting adaptor: http://www.boatingyachting.com/store/boating-yachting-sailing-trailering-trailer-lights-wiring-connectors.html Tom S. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: motor...@afmug.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 1:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure Looking for a waterproof 3 position male/female connector assembly similar to the RJ45 assembly for an ARC Wireless enclosure. Needs to fit a 14/3 outdoor cable coming from a streetlight photocell adapter. Any suggestions? -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3485 - Release Date: 03/05/11 23:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure
You got me thinkingbeing on a public streetlight I doubt it would pass code without a UL stamp. But by the time I get the adapter, both ends of the Bulgin, the cable, and the power supply I can buy the FP-288 http://www.midsouthglobal.net/FPOwl.htm which is 24VDC out. Then I can just use the standard RJ45 weatherproof connector kit. Less hassle to be sure. The only downside is that I can't get to the PSU - have to replace the whole adapter. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure Actually, right after sending the last e-mail, I thought, the weatherproofing may be the problem. Yes it is all metal inside, but the 2 pieces are not bonded to each other when you put in the gasket. No way to ensure a low resistance connection between the box and the back of the antenna. On 3/6/2011 5:16 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Weatherproofing. Lack of testing. I am not saying it couldn't be, just that it probably isn't as that is not the designed usage. And in many places, without a UL or similar rating, the local electrical inspector won't like it if he finds it. On 3/6/2011 5:10 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Why wouldn't it be? It's metal inside on all surfaces. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure Just a caution here, I doubt that the ARC enclosure is rated for 120V outdoor use. On 3/6/2011 4:32 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Looking for a waterproof 3 position male/female connector assembly similar to the RJ45 assembly for an ARC Wireless enclosure. Needs to fit a 14/3 outdoor cable coming from a streetlight photocell adapter. Any suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.nethttp://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3485 - Release Date: 03/06/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.nethttp://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.nethttp://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3485 - Release Date: 03/06/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 110 input for ARC enclosure
The House and Energy Committee will have a hearing this Wednesday, regarding H.J. Res 37, Disapproving the rule submitted by the Federal Communication Commission with respect to regulating the Internet and broadband industry practices. I, Tom DeReggi, representing RapidDSL Wireless, have accepted the honor of testifying before Congress at this hearing. I'd like to note that this will be the second time a WISP will testfiy on this topic within a 2 week period, strengthening the relevence of our WISP Industry. In summary, if successful, and H.J. Res 37 is passed, it will reverse and nullify FCC's recent NetNEutrality rules. This is our chance to kill the poor NetNeutrality rules instantly in its tracks. Quick background. a.. On Monday, Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee Fred Upton (MI-6) and Chairman of the Communications and Technology Subcommittee Greg Walden (OR-2) announced that on Wednesday they would markup H.J. Res. 37 . For those of you unfamiliar with the term markup, It means they would have limited debate followed by a vote on the resolution and any amendments . b.. On Tuesday, Representatives Waxman (CA-30) and Eshoo (CA-14) sent a letter to the Chairs asking for them to hold a hearing on H.R. Res 37 before markup (as is standard practice). c.. On Wednesday (march 2nd), the Communications and Technology Subcommittee announced that they would delay the markup, and hold a hearing on it at some point in the future. The future is this upcoming Wednesday the 9th!! Talkin about quick action!! Now it is our chance to send FCC Chairman Genacowski (and commissioners) a clear message. That we will NOT accept rule making that IGNORES the interests of small business WISPs, and that we will go over their heads, if they ignore us. So why, am I so much against NetNeutrality? MANY REASONS. But the most obvious was that the FCC gave special consideration to mobile wirless carriers, but lumped Fixed Wireless Providers in with Fiber and wireline providers with out ANY consessions for our unique disadvantages industry. Giving reasonable network mangement and usage billing was NO WHERE NEAR ENOUGH to address WISP's concerns. What the FCC really gave us was uncertainty, more regulations, more technical distractions, and more liabilty, that surely would lead to higher legal costs and customer support frustrations. NetNEutrality empowered and entitled Content providers and Consumers to control our networks, but left Access Providers to Foot the Bill. We were no longer free to etablish our own business model, but instead forced to be an Advance Broadband Company (Streaming Video), if we wanted to offer broadband without legal consequences. We need to take our authority back as private business and network owners. We actually have a really good chance to win Wednesday. Why, because the service provider industry (ILECS, CLECs, CableCos, WISPs, MobileWireless) is almost unaminously united in the fight against the FCC overstepping their bounds, and the committee is now majoirty Republican, and isn't obligated to follow the president's party. Verizon has already opened legal suit against the FCC as well, and threatening to stop investment. We need to convey several core messages, likely the top 3 most importance. That NetNeutrality rules (as-is) will.. 1. reduce or slow Investment in broadband build out. 2. slow bringing broadband to all Americans and underserved areas 3. cause loss of jobs or reduce jobs. (counter democrat's claim that NetNEutrality will create jobs) 4. harm small business access providers, and stiffle innovation 5. harm our subscibers, or degrade service to our subscribers. 6. creates challenges in network management or operations, which rules are not reasable to comply with. (over burdening). 7. are a distraction that take us away from our more important goal, to deploy broadband I'm still writing my presentation/testimony, so dont have it to share with membership yet. Right now the Republicans are on a rampage to help us. Lets show them our support and that we are watching. (Please note I am NOT endorsing a specific party and am not meaning to favor republicans or democrats. I am refering to them only in the context of my observations of where I've read that the majority in the party tend to stand currently on this specific topic/process) I suggeset a plan of action for members. To flood the House Committee members with support letters to PASS HJ RES 37. I've attached a list of the committee members to contact. A higher priority may be to convince democrat members. I suggest sending these support letters Tuesday Morning. Simply state, that you are a WISP, and that you SUPPORT HJ Res 37, and encourage your representative to PASS the bill.to overturn the FCC's poor NetNEutrality rule making. Then if you have any additional comment to add, follow with that, specifically things like, you are now
[WISPA] WISP Testifying before Congress Wednes - Kill NetNeutrality - What you can do!
Reforwarding. Sorry for the repeat, I forgot to change the subject field appropriately, last Email send. The House and Energy Committee will have a hearing this Wednesday, regarding H.J. Res 37, Disapproving the rule submitted by the Federal Communication Commission with respect to regulating the Internet and broadband industry practices. I, Tom DeReggi, representing RapidDSL Wireless, have accepted the honor of testifying before Congress at this hearing. I'd like to note that this will be the second time a WISP will testfiy on this topic within a 2 week period, strengthening the relevence of our WISP Industry. In summary, if successful, and H.J. Res 37 is passed, it will reverse and nullify FCC's recent NetNEutrality rules. This is our chance to kill the poor NetNeutrality rules instantly in its tracks. Quick background. a.. On Monday, Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee Fred Upton (MI-6) and Chairman of the Communications and Technology Subcommittee Greg Walden (OR-2) announced that on Wednesday they would markup H.J. Res. 37 . For those of you unfamiliar with the term markup, It means they would have limited debate followed by a vote on the resolution and any amendments . b.. On Tuesday, Representatives Waxman (CA-30) and Eshoo (CA-14) sent a letter to the Chairs asking for them to hold a hearing on H.R. Res 37 before markup (as is standard practice). c.. On Wednesday (march 2nd), the Communications and Technology Subcommittee announced that they would delay the markup, and hold a hearing on it at some point in the future. The future is this upcoming Wednesday the 9th!! Talkin about quick action!! Now it is our chance to send FCC Chairman Genacowski (and commissioners) a clear message. That we will NOT accept rule making that IGNORES the interests of small business WISPs, and that we will go over their heads, if they ignore us. So why, am I so much against NetNeutrality? MANY REASONS. But the most obvious was that the FCC gave special consideration to mobile wirless carriers, but lumped Fixed Wireless Providers in with Fiber and wireline providers with out ANY consessions for our unique disadvantages industry. Giving reasonable network mangement and usage billing was NO WHERE NEAR ENOUGH to address WISP's concerns. What the FCC really gave us was uncertainty, more regulations, more technical distractions, and more liabilty, that surely would lead to higher legal costs and customer support frustrations. NetNEutrality empowered and entitled Content providers and Consumers to control our networks, but left Access Providers to Foot the Bill. We were no longer free to etablish our own business model, but instead forced to be an Advance Broadband Company (Streaming Video), if we wanted to offer broadband without legal consequences. We need to take our authority back as private business and network owners. We actually have a really good chance to win Wednesday. Why, because the service provider industry (ILECS, CLECs, CableCos, WISPs, MobileWireless) is almost unaminously united in the fight against the FCC overstepping their bounds, and the committee is now majoirty Republican, and isn't obligated to follow the president's party. Verizon has already opened legal suit against the FCC as well, and threatening to stop investment. We need to convey several core messages, likely the top 3 most importance. That NetNeutrality rules (as-is) will.. 1. reduce or slow Investment in broadband build out. 2. slow bringing broadband to all Americans and underserved areas 3. cause loss of jobs or reduce jobs. (counter democrat's claim that NetNEutrality will create jobs) 4. harm small business access providers, and stiffle innovation 5. harm our subscibers, or degrade service to our subscribers. 6. creates challenges in network management or operations, which rules are not reasable to comply with. (over burdening). 7. are a distraction that take us away from our more important goal, to deploy broadband I'm still writing my presentation/testimony, so dont have it to share with membership yet. Right now the Republicans are on a rampage to help us. Lets show them our support and that we are watching. (Please note I am NOT endorsing a specific party and am not meaning to favor republicans or democrats. I am refering to them only in the context of my observations of where I've read that the majority in the party tend to stand currently on this specific topic/process) I suggeset a plan of action for members. To flood the House Committee members with support letters to PASS HJ RES 37. I've attached a list of the committee members to contact. A higher priority may be to convince democrat members. I suggest sending these support letters Tuesday Morning. Simply state, that you are a WISP, and that you SUPPORT HJ Res 37, and encourage your representative to PASS the bill.to overturn the FCC's poor NetNEutrality rule making.
Re: [WISPA] WISP Testifying before Congress Wednes - Kill NetNeutrality- What you can do!
If you speak to to Walden, thank him for his efforts. He's my congressman and has been at the very front of this the whole time. Thanks ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:21 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: legislat...@wispa.org ; fcccommit...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WISP Testifying before Congress Wednes - Kill NetNeutrality- What you can do! Reforwarding. Sorry for the repeat, I forgot to change the subject field appropriately, last Email send. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
