Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[John Thomas]

Rick, what price are you offering 10 megs at? In our neck of the woods 
Towerstream is doing 8 meg at $800 per month.


John

On 4/5/2011 9:23 PM, RickG wrote:
Thats what I thought which is why I spent so much time and money on 
upgrading. I've got 30-50 megs at nearly every tower and I started 
offering 10Mbps posted rates. I even lowered the upgrade prices above 
3Mbps. Very few care and even fewer take it. In fact, I have some that 
ask if we have a slower plan! I'm starting to be concerned that 
dial-up is good enough!


On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Jerry Richardson 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:


For now.  I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with
1.5 or 3.0 indefinitely. I know we won't.

- Jerry

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] *On Behalf Of *RickG
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM

*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

+100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore
but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all
comes
down to price.

I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that
wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)

Travis
Microserv



On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable
companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb
range
>
> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology
has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now
"unconsciously" comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial
broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can
deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the
middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>
> -Charles
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20
Mbps down
> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or
download a
> big file via FTP or whatever.
> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
>
> ~V~
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On
> Behalf Of Charles Wu
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to
wireless
> router on phone
>
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the
whole sector all
>
> to yourself.
>
> I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a
handset, without
> the big antenna outside.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Wu"mailto:c...@cticonnect.com>>
> To:mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>>; "WISPA
GeneralList"mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
>
>> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version
of LTE
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On
>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>>
>> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
>> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer
download,
>> then the customer upload).

[WISPA] Marketing ( was Re: Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update)

[John Thomas]

Smart marketing goes a long way. I know of a company that was basically 
getting a 3 x T-1 pushed its way because AT&T wanted to sell it to them. 
Wow, for only $700 per month you can have 4.5 Megabits per second. We 
told them go ask about Fiber. By going through a reseller, they were 
able to get AT&T to install a 10 meg x 10 meg fiber connection for $973 
per month. Of course the equipment is 100 meg port and they are actually 
getting about 20 + meg both directions, and are VERY happy with this 
arrangement. Of course if The TW Telecom rep had actually wanted to sell 
the product, they could have had 100 meg over fiber to their site for 
about $1400 per month. The fiber is literally in the street outside 
their building, but the TW Telecom guy didn't want to sell it.


A fellow Network Engineer has 1.5 meg / 384 k ADSL to his house. 
According to AT&T's website, for $45 he can get 6 meg / 768 k + 5 static 
IP addresses for $45 per month.  After having AT&T *hang up* on him 3 
times, hes has decided to drop AT&T and look at other alternatives.


John


On 4/5/2011 9:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

You can always upgrade More!

The key central question is ... how to 'Capitalize' on it  and make 
some Money.


There are always two ways the Market move .. Either PUSH (try to sell 
your excess capacity on the network , making it attractive , lower the 
selling price, while increasing margins ... or Packaging your products 
differently for a different Target Market).


or PULL .. where the customers are knocking on your doors to demand more.

So.. here is bit of Challenge for All of US, including Rick & Travis

If we have the capacity to deliver the high bandwidth to our 
customers.. and in our market place the Phone Company is still selling 
T1' s and Metro Ethernet's  like hot cakes.. then there is only one 
possible conclusion .


We need to Review our products / pricing / packaging strategy... since 
we are leaving a LOT on the Table..


now, if you tell me that in your / our market place.. the Telco's are 
hurting in business because folks are lining up purchase your / our 
circuits.. .then and only then I can say you are starting to 
'saturate' your territory.. time to expand and break new ground.


Some Food For Thought..

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:supp...@snappydsl.net

On 4/6/2011 12:08 AM, RickG wrote:
+100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 
90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!


On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson > wrote:


The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all
comes
down to price.

I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that
wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)

Travis
Microserv


On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable
companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb
range
>
> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology
has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now
"unconsciously" comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial
broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can
deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the
middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>
> -Charles
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting
20 Mbps down
> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload
or download a
> big file via FTP or whatever.
> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
>
> ~V~
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On
> Behalf Of Charles Wu
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected
to wireless
> router on phone
>
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi

Re: [WISPA] RED queues out, PCQ queues in - anyone else doing this?

[Rubens Kuhl]

> I was running Butch's script with PCQ queues but I started wondering about 
> "buffer bloat" (yeah, I follow NANOG too) on the router. I thought about 
> trying RED on the outbound queue since if packets are dropped and resent on 
> our wireless network it's no biggie. Our wireless network is way overkill as 
> far as our bandwidth needs. But I didn't want dropped packets on our inbound 
> side because I didn't want to waste any of our precious satellite bandwidth. 
> So I kept PCQ queues there.

Before jumping into the conclusion that your network is overkill for
your usage, you should first graph it in RX+TX pps if it's Wi-Fi, or
RX pps and TX pps otherwise. Ideally you should also graph airtime %
as well, but that's not a MIB-II standard item... AirControl might do
it with UBNT gear.

> It seems like it made things work better but I never know for sure because 
> our satellite bandwidth is oversold and what we get at any given moment is 
> effected by what the other users who are on this same bandwidth are doing.
>
> Does anyone else mix queue types like that? Is this a dumb idea?

I think it's not dumb, but the cause/effect relations on TCP make
choosing which queue type to use in each direction a more complex
decision than that. Trying more combinations might be good.

One thing I would consider doing is using different queue types on
each direction depending on packet size. TCP packets going outbound
but have low size are just ACKs of incoming TCP data, and the other
way around. non-TCP packets would also have a different QoS strategy
as it's usually non-responsive to packet loss or delay variations.


Rubens



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Re: [WISPA] RED queues out, PCQ queues in - anyone else doing this?

[Butch Evans]

On 04/07/2011 06:23 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> My little network is a wireless network with about 20 user devices 
> (computers, iPads, iPods, Wiis, Blackberries etc). Our "upstream" is a 
> 1Mbps/256KBps.
>
> I was running Butch's script with PCQ queues but I started wondering about 
> "buffer bloat" (yeah, I follow NANOG too) on the router. I thought about 
> trying RED on the outbound queue since if packets are dropped and resent on 
> our wireless network it's no biggie. Our wireless network is way overkill as 
> far as our bandwidth needs. But I didn't want dropped packets on our inbound 
> side because I didn't want to waste any of our precious satellite bandwidth. 
> So I kept PCQ queues there.
>
> It seems like it made things work better but I never know for sure because 
> our satellite bandwidth is oversold and what we get at any given moment is 
> effected by what the other users who are on this same bandwidth are doing.
>
> Does anyone else mix queue types like that? Is this a dumb idea?
FWIW, the NEWEST version of this script uses RED queues.  (just so you 
know).  As for splitting the queues per direction like this, I'm not 
sure I've ever tried this, but it should perform reasonably well.

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[WISPA] RED queues out, PCQ queues in - anyone else doing this?

[Greg Ihnen]

My little network is a wireless network with about 20 user devices (computers, 
iPads, iPods, Wiis, Blackberries etc). Our "upstream" is a 1Mbps/256KBps.

I was running Butch's script with PCQ queues but I started wondering about 
"buffer bloat" (yeah, I follow NANOG too) on the router. I thought about trying 
RED on the outbound queue since if packets are dropped and resent on our 
wireless network it's no biggie. Our wireless network is way overkill as far as 
our bandwidth needs. But I didn't want dropped packets on our inbound side 
because I didn't want to waste any of our precious satellite bandwidth. So I 
kept PCQ queues there.

It seems like it made things work better but I never know for sure because our 
satellite bandwidth is oversold and what we get at any given moment is effected 
by what the other users who are on this same bandwidth are doing.

Does anyone else mix queue types like that? Is this a dumb idea?

Thanks!
Greg 



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