Re: [WISPA] OT: Undersea Cables

[Josh Luthman]

Ospf will have us route across the global.  We will have tons of gamers
complaining of increased latency, though.
On Jul 15, 2011 2:35 AM, "Gary Garrett"  wrote:
> Looks like most of the Internet will go dark when California goes off
> into the ocean..
>
>
> On 7/14/2011 2:06 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>
>> Interesting stuff: http://www.cablemap.info/
>>
>>
>



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Undersea Cables

[Gary Garrett]

Looks like most of the Internet will go dark when California goes off 
into the ocean..



On 7/14/2011 2:06 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:


Interesting stuff: http://www.cablemap.info/







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Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

[Josh Luthman]

It's OK.  It makes it look like we're actually sharing some truth and not
some made up facts.

We all know to make the best links you just need a 10 jigawatt amp and 3 dbi
omnis.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Patrick Shoemaker <
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com> wrote:

> Oops, didn’t mean to repeat Jerry’s post. Didn’t see it before writing
> mine.
>
> ** **
>
> --
> Patrick Shoemaker
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Patrick Shoemaker
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 14:57
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
>
> ** **
>
> Yes, and also keep in mind that gain is not always tied to antenna
> beamwidth. Gain is a function of antenna directivity (which is a good
> indicator of beamwidth) and antenna efficiency. Parabolic reflectors, for
> example, have greater directivity, and therefore narrower beamwidths and
> better interference rejection, than panels, since panels have higher
> efficiency.
>
> ** **
>
> --
> Patrick Shoemaker
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 13:07
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
>
> ** **
>
> He is stating (and I agree) it is better to have greater gain on the
> antenna then it is more transmit power.  Spend more money on your antennas
> then worrying about tx power.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Jawad A Hai  wrote:*
> ***
>
> Too much antenna ??
>
> you mean bigger antenna gain ??
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jerry Richardson  
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List  
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
>
> ** **
>
> In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power
> down so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a
> big difference in a noisy environments.
>
>  
>
> - Jerry
>
>  
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Jawad A Hai
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
>
>  
>
> PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM.
>
> Above that I will go for dish.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman  
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List  
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
>
>  
>
> Just noticed the subject was ptp.  What kind of distances?  Panels are not
> a great choice a lot of the time. 
>
> On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or
> >> Jirous.
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> **
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I have posted below in several forums without success, I will
> appreciate
> >>> if you some body can advise me.
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt
> >>> without any luck )
> >>> I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from
> >>> UBNT)
> >>> Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel.
> >>> i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous,
> ARCWireless.
> >>> Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering.
> >>> ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port
> to
> >>> port isolation(MIMO).
> >>> Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is
> >>> nothing without a good antenna.
> >>> My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs
> range
> >>> in very crowded environments.
> >>> I have been trying different brands with different results and its
> >>> difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to
> take an
> >>> advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about
> just
> >>> one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor.
> >>>
> >>> Thank YOu
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

[Patrick Shoemaker]

Oops, didn't mean to repeat Jerry's post. Didn't see it before writing mine.

--
Patrick Shoemaker

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Shoemaker
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 14:57
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

Yes, and also keep in mind that gain is not always tied to antenna beamwidth. 
Gain is a function of antenna directivity (which is a good indicator of 
beamwidth) and antenna efficiency. Parabolic reflectors, for example, have 
greater directivity, and therefore narrower beamwidths and better interference 
rejection, than panels, since panels have higher efficiency.

--
Patrick Shoemaker

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 13:07
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

He is stating (and I agree) it is better to have greater gain on the antenna 
then it is more transmit power.  Spend more money on your antennas then 
worrying about tx power.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Jawad A Hai 
mailto:ahja...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Too much antenna ??
you mean bigger antenna gain ??

From: Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down 
so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big 
difference in a noisy environments.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Jawad A Hai
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM.
Above that I will go for dish.


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas


Just noticed the subject was ptp.  What kind of distances?  Panels are not a 
great choice a lot of the time.
On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, "RickG" 
mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> +1
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>wrote:
>
>> I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or
>> Jirous.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai 
>> mailto:ahja...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate
>>> if you some body can advise me.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt
>>> without any luck )
>>> I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from
>>> UBNT)
>>> Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel.
>>> i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless.
>>> Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering.
>>> ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to
>>> port isolation(MIMO).
>>> Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is
>>> nothing without a good antenna.
>>> My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range
>>> in very crowded environments.
>>> I have been trying different brands with different results and its
>>> difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an
>>> advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just
>>> one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor.
>>>
>>> Thank YOu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

[Jawad A Hai]

Yes I agree ...
Nice piece of advise.




From: Jerry Richardson 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:28 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas


Yes but not necessarily for more EIRP.

 

At 5.8GHz a 23dB panel antenna is ~10deg where a 30dB 2' dish is ~5deg. Since 
you mentioned you are in a high noise environment, the narrower beamwidth would 
be preferred. 

 

The benefit is that from the Tx side, you are minimizing the amount of spectrum 
pollution by minimizing the beamwidth and increasing power density. At the Rx 
side the antenna sees less sky and as such sees less noise increasing your 
overall link S/N. Depending on the direction of other tranmitters this can mean 
the differnece between a link that works and link that fails (think cupping 
your hand behind your ear to hear in a crowded room).

 

A part of antenna selection that many don't consider is spectrum conservation. 
The goal is to try to achieve the desired link performance while using as 
little EIRP as possible and minimizing overspray. The less noise you put into 
the spectrum, the better things will be for you since your competetors won't 
need to turn up their radios to hear over yours. If you can manage to put up a 
link in a way that the other guys doesn't even know you are there, you win. If 
you cause him interference and he turns up his power, or worse moves channels 
you lose.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jawad A Hai
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:03 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

 

Too much antenna ??

you mean bigger antenna gain ??

 

From: Jerry Richardson 

Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM

To: WISPA General List 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

 

In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down 
so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big 
difference in a noisy environments.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jawad A Hai
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

 

PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM.

Above that I will go for dish.

 

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM

To: WISPA General List 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

 

Just noticed the subject was ptp.  What kind of distances?  Panels are not a 
great choice a lot of the time. 

On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
> +1
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:
> 
>> I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or
>> Jirous.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai  wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate
>>> if you some body can advise me.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt
>>> without any luck )
>>> I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from
>>> UBNT)
>>> Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel.
>>> i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless.
>>> Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering.
>>> ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to
>>> port isolation(MIMO).
>>> Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is
>>> nothing without a good antenna.
>>> My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range
>>> in very crowded environments.
>>> I have been trying different brands with different results and its
>>> difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an
>>> advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just
>>> one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor.
>>>
>>> Thank YOu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

[Patrick Shoemaker]

Yes, and also keep in mind that gain is not always tied to antenna beamwidth. 
Gain is a function of antenna directivity (which is a good indicator of 
beamwidth) and antenna efficiency. Parabolic reflectors, for example, have 
greater directivity, and therefore narrower beamwidths and better interference 
rejection, than panels, since panels have higher efficiency.

--
Patrick Shoemaker

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 13:07
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

He is stating (and I agree) it is better to have greater gain on the antenna 
then it is more transmit power.  Spend more money on your antennas then 
worrying about tx power.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Jawad A Hai 
mailto:ahja...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Too much antenna ??
you mean bigger antenna gain ??

From: Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down 
so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big 
difference in a noisy environments.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Jawad A Hai
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM.
Above that I will go for dish.


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas


Just noticed the subject was ptp.  What kind of distances?  Panels are not a 
great choice a lot of the time.
On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, "RickG" 
mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> +1
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>wrote:
>
>> I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or
>> Jirous.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai 
>> mailto:ahja...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate
>>> if you some body can advise me.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt
>>> without any luck )
>>> I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from
>>> UBNT)
>>> Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel.
>>> i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless.
>>> Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering.
>>> ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to
>>> port isolation(MIMO).
>>> Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is
>>> nothing without a good antenna.
>>> My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range
>>> in very crowded environments.
>>> I have been trying different brands with different results and its
>>> difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an
>>> advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just
>>> one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor.
>>>
>>> Thank YOu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> -RickG




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Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Josh Luthman]

Powercode and Azotel are similar.  I tried to look into Azotel but that's
failed a couple of times so I gave up.  I started and continue to use
Powercode.

Neither of these two will use RADIUS like what you want.
On Jul 14, 2011 2:55 PM, "Josh Bowsher"  wrote:
> Carl,
>
> No I have not but I will google it.have you or anyone you know used
it?
>
> Joshua S. Bowsher
> Director of Internet Services
> Midwaynet.net
> Midway Electronics
> NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
> 1250 N McKinley Ave
> Rensselaer, IN 47978
> Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
> Cell 219-863-0678
>
> www.midwaynet.net
> jbows...@midwaynet.net
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Carl Shivers
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:28 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's
>
> Have you looked into Azotel - Billing, Monitoring, UBB, etc.
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Bowsher
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:44 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's
>
> Maybe authentication is the wrong word to use. I want a different solution
whether it is mac auth or something else that will use my radius server and
use my billing server for accounting.
>
> Joshua S. Bowsher
> Director of Internet Services
> Midwaynet.net
> Midway Electronics
> NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
> 1250 N McKinley Ave
> Rensselaer, IN 47978
> Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
> Cell 219-863-0678
>
> www.midwaynet.net
> jbows...@midwaynet.net
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:40 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's
>
> Exactly my thought when I read the original post. Aren't you already doing
authentication in RADIUS? What are you really trying to accomplish with
"authentication?"
>
> On 7/13/2011 5:37 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through
radius on the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server
is going to provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What
are you using as a billing/provisioning platform?
>
> Cameron
>
> Cameron
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher mailto:jbows...@midwaynet.net>> wrote:
> I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my
wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from
it. I use mikrotik AP's and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot
mac auth and it worked and still works in some of my AP's but some of the
more crowded locations fell on their face. I am looking for either a way to
improve that method or I need a centralized box that would control
authentication and let my billing server and radius server still provision
speeds and determine that a customer has paid their bill. Currently I am
open to suggestions of what authentication options are available with my
mikrotik equipment and I am willing to pay consultation fees if necessary
when I get an Idea that will work like I want it to. Also, I hand out both
private IP's and public IP's only when the customer requests them, and
currently if a customer requests a public static I create a custom profile
in radius and they get the only IP in a custom pool setup for that profile.
Thank you in advance for any and all advice and ideas.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joshua S. Bowsher
> Director of Internet Services
> Midwaynet.net
> Midway Electronics
> NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
> 1250 N McKinley Ave
> Rensselaer, IN 47978
> Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
> Cell 219-863-0678
>
> www.midwaynet.net
> jbows...@midwaynet.net
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Josh Bowsher]

Carl,

No I have not but I will google it.have you or anyone you know used it?

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Carl Shivers
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

Have you looked into Azotel - Billing, Monitoring, UBB, etc.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Bowsher
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

Maybe authentication is the wrong word to use. I want a different solution 
whether it is mac auth or something else that will use my radius server and use 
my billing server for accounting.

Joshua S. Bowsher
Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net
Midway Electronics
NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
Cell 219-863-0678

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jbows...@midwaynet.net

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

Exactly my thought when I read the original post.  Aren't you already doing 
authentication in RADIUS?  What are you really trying to accomplish with 
"authentication?"

On 7/13/2011 5:37 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through radius on 
the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server is going to 
provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What are you using as 
a billing/provisioning platform?

Cameron

Cameron
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher 
mailto:jbows...@midwaynet.net>> wrote:
I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my 
wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from 
it. I use mikrotik AP's and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot 
mac auth and it worked and still works in some of my AP's but some of the more 
crowded locations fell on their face. I am looking for either a way to improve 
that method or I need a centralized box that would control authentication and 
let my billing server and radius server still provision speeds and determine 
that a customer has paid their bill. Currently I am open to suggestions of what 
authentication options are available with my mikrotik equipment and I am 
willing to pay consultation fees if necessary when I get an Idea that will work 
like I want it to. Also, I hand out both private IP's and public IP's only when 
the customer requests them, and currently if a customer requests a public 
static I create a custom profile in radius and they get the only IP in a custom 
pool setup for that profile. Thank you in advance for any and all advice and 
ideas.

Regards,

Joshua S. Bowsher
Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net
Midway Electronics
NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
Cell 219-863-0678

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Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Carl Shivers]

Have you looked into Azotel - Billing, Monitoring, UBB, etc.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Bowsher
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

Maybe authentication is the wrong word to use. I want a different solution
whether it is mac auth or something else that will use my radius server and
use my billing server for accounting.

 

Joshua S. Bowsher

Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net

Midway Electronics

NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212

Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net  

jbows...@midwaynet.net 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

Exactly my thought when I read the original post.  Aren't you already doing
authentication in RADIUS?  What are you really trying to accomplish with
"authentication?"

On 7/13/2011 5:37 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: 

What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through radius
on the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server is going
to provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What are you
using as a billing/provisioning platform? 

 

Cameron

 

Cameron

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher 
wrote:

I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my
wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from
it. I use mikrotik AP's and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot
mac auth and it worked and still works in some of my AP's but some of the
more crowded locations fell on their face. I am looking for either a way to
improve that method or I need a centralized box that would control
authentication and let my billing server and radius server still provision
speeds and determine that a customer has paid their bill. Currently I am
open to suggestions of what authentication options are available with my
mikrotik equipment and I am willing to pay consultation fees if necessary
when I get an Idea that will work like I want it to. Also, I hand out both
private IP's and public IP's only when the customer requests them, and
currently if a customer requests a public static I create a custom profile
in radius and they get the only IP in a custom pool setup for that profile.
Thank you in advance for any and all advice and ideas.

 

Regards,

 

Joshua S. Bowsher

Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net

Midway Electronics

NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212

Cell 219-863-0678

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Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

[Jerry Richardson]

Yes but not necessarily for more EIRP.

At 5.8GHz a 23dB panel antenna is ~10deg where a 30dB 2' dish is ~5deg. Since 
you mentioned you are in a high noise environment, the narrower beamwidth would 
be preferred.

The benefit is that from the Tx side, you are minimizing the amount of spectrum 
pollution by minimizing the beamwidth and increasing power density. At the Rx 
side the antenna sees less sky and as such sees less noise increasing your 
overall link S/N. Depending on the direction of other tranmitters this can mean 
the differnece between a link that works and link that fails (think cupping 
your hand behind your ear to hear in a crowded room).

A part of antenna selection that many don't consider is spectrum conservation. 
The goal is to try to achieve the desired link performance while using as 
little EIRP as possible and minimizing overspray. The less noise you put into 
the spectrum, the better things will be for you since your competetors won't 
need to turn up their radios to hear over yours. If you can manage to put up a 
link in a way that the other guys doesn't even know you are there, you win. If 
you cause him interference and he turns up his power, or worse moves channels 
you lose.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jawad A Hai
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:03 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

Too much antenna ??
you mean bigger antenna gain ??

From: Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down 
so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big 
difference in a noisy environments.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM.
Above that I will go for dish.


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas


Just noticed the subject was ptp.  What kind of distances?  Panels are not a 
great choice a lot of the time.
On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, "RickG" 
mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> +1
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>wrote:
>
>> I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or
>> Jirous.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai 
>> mailto:ahja...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate
>>> if you some body can advise me.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt
>>> without any luck )
>>> I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from
>>> UBNT)
>>> Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel.
>>> i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless.
>>> Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering.
>>> ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to
>>> port isolation(MIMO).
>>> Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is
>>> nothing without a good antenna.
>>> My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range
>>> in very crowded environments.
>>> I have been trying different brands with different results and its
>>> difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an
>>> advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just
>>> one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor.
>>>
>>> Thank YOu
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

[Josh Luthman]

He is stating (and I agree) it is better to have greater gain on the antenna
then it is more transmit power.  Spend more money on your antennas then
worrying about tx power.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Jawad A Hai  wrote:

> **
> Too much antenna ??
> you mean bigger antenna gain ??
>
>  *From:* Jerry Richardson 
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
>
>  In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power
> down so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a
> big difference in a noisy environments.
>
> ** **
>
> - Jerry
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Jawad A Hai
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
>
> ** **
>
> PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM.
>
> Above that I will go for dish.
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman  
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List  
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
>
> ** **
>
> Just noticed the subject was ptp.  What kind of distances?  Panels are not
> a great choice a lot of the time. 
>
> On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or
> >> Jirous.
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> **
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I have posted below in several forums without success, I will
> appreciate
> >>> if you some body can advise me.
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt
> >>> without any luck )
> >>> I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from
> >>> UBNT)
> >>> Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel.
> >>> i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous,
> ARCWireless.
> >>> Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering.
> >>> ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port
> to
> >>> port isolation(MIMO).
> >>> Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is
> >>> nothing without a good antenna.
> >>> My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs
> range
> >>> in very crowded environments.
> >>> I have been trying different brands with different results and its
> >>> difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to
> take an
> >>> advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about
> just
> >>> one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor.
> >>>
> >>> Thank YOu
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

[Jawad A Hai]

Too much antenna ??
you mean bigger antenna gain ??


From: Jerry Richardson 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas


In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down 
so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big 
difference in a noisy environments.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jawad A Hai
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

 

PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM.

Above that I will go for dish.

 

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM

To: WISPA General List 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

 

Just noticed the subject was ptp.  What kind of distances?  Panels are not a 
great choice a lot of the time. 

On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
> +1
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:
> 
>> I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or
>> Jirous.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai  wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate
>>> if you some body can advise me.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt
>>> without any luck )
>>> I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from
>>> UBNT)
>>> Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel.
>>> i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless.
>>> Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering.
>>> ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to
>>> port isolation(MIMO).
>>> Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is
>>> nothing without a good antenna.
>>> My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range
>>> in very crowded environments.
>>> I have been trying different brands with different results and its
>>> difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an
>>> advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just
>>> one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor.
>>>
>>> Thank YOu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

[Jerry Richardson]

In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down 
so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big 
difference in a noisy environments.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jawad A Hai
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM.
Above that I will go for dish.


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas


Just noticed the subject was ptp.  What kind of distances?  Panels are not a 
great choice a lot of the time.
On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, "RickG" 
mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> +1
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>wrote:
>
>> I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or
>> Jirous.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai 
>> mailto:ahja...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate
>>> if you some body can advise me.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt
>>> without any luck )
>>> I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from
>>> UBNT)
>>> Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel.
>>> i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless.
>>> Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering.
>>> ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to
>>> port isolation(MIMO).
>>> Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is
>>> nothing without a good antenna.
>>> My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range
>>> in very crowded environments.
>>> I have been trying different brands with different results and its
>>> difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an
>>> advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just
>>> one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor.
>>>
>>> Thank YOu
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Eric Roth]

It works like an IDS. Say you have your system set up to allow all users
in a specific group access to the network, and then one of those uses
doesn't pay. You can remove that user from the "allowed users" group and
then they will get sent to the "default vlan" that doesn't have any access
to the internet. When they pay up, you add them back to the group and then
they are allowed back on at the next EAP request from the access point.

 

If you research IDS systems, you'll find a lot of useful information.

 

--Eric Roth

Technology Specialist
Webjogger Internet Services

(845) 757-4000

www.webjogger.net

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Bowsher
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

Eric,

 

No I hadn't thought of that but I am interested in hearing more about it.
Can you give me some more insight on how that would work?

 

Regards,

 

Joshua S. Bowsher

Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net

Midway Electronics

NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212

Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net  

jbows...@midwaynet.net 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Roth
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:43 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: supp...@webjogger.net
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

Hi Joshua,

 

Have you thought about using 802.1x with multiple VLAN's instead of PPOE
and setting up a restricted vlan for those who shouldn't be granted access
for whatever reason.?

 

--Eric Roth

Technology Specialist
Webjogger Internet Services

(845) 757-4000

www.webjogger.net

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

Joshua, There are several WISPA members who are Mikrotik Engineers.  I
would expect you could get some advice from one of them with very little
cost.  (Butch Evans, Dennis Burgess, Scott Reed come to mind.)  I know
from talking to Butch Evans less than a month ago that he has a system
that allows you to setup DHCP at the Router, The DHCP relay Authenticates
the Mac against the Radius and gets the assigned IP, creates the queue and
reports back to the radius and accounting info.  We still use Hotspot on
ours and have no issue, but I am not the programmer and cant give you  any
info with how that is handled.  I do know that they have told me that with
hotspot it makes it easier to direct customers to a payment portal when
suspended and it is the same setup if we put a hotspot in a public area to
get short term customer logins at an event.

 

Steve Barnes

General Manager

PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Bowsher
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 5:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

Yes that's exactly what I am after.

 

Joshua S. Bowsher

Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net

Midway Electronics

NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212

Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net  

jbows...@midwaynet.net 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

So you don't want to use hotspot or pppoe, but do want to use RADIUS?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Josh Bowsher 
wrote:

With profiles in the profiles.txt file. You can specify rate limits and IP
pools I do it currently but I use the hotspot mac auth in the mikrotik
AP's

 

Joshua S. Bowsher

Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net

Midway Electronics

NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212  

Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net  

jbows...@midwaynet.net 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:49 PM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

How do you get it to provide rate limits and ip addresses outside of
PPPoE, last time I looked if you were doing MAC Auth out of radius you
couldn't pass IP and queues, it has been a while though so this may have
changed.

On 7/13/11 4:46 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: 

Radius can do authentication and provisioning...keep poeple off the
network who don't belong, set up queues, assign IP's, set up rules to
redirect non-paying customers, etc. It can be 

Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Jeromie Reeves]

WEP is crackable in as little as 5 min. Average is around 15.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Wilson Hernandez
 wrote:
> I'm doing straight MAC auth with MT and nothing else. Today I noticed an
> intruder who cloned a client's NS2 MAC address and it looks like it did a
> ipscan to get a customer's ip address and access the internet... That's the
> only tower I have without WEP key... I have all towers with mac auth and wep
> key. That happens for being lazy.
>
>
>
> On 7/13/2011 5:37 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through radius
> on the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server is going
> to provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What are you
> using as a billing/provisioning platform?
> Cameron
>
> Cameron
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher 
> wrote:
>>
>> I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my
>> wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from
>> it. I use mikrotik AP’s and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot
>> mac auth and it worked and still works in some of my AP’s but some of the
>> more crowded locations fell on their face. I am looking for either a way to
>> improve that method or I need a centralized box that would control
>> authentication and let my billing server and radius server still provision
>> speeds and determine that a customer has paid their bill. Currently I am
>> open to suggestions of what authentication options are available with my
>> mikrotik equipment and I am willing to pay consultation fees if necessary
>> when I get an Idea that will work like I want it to. Also, I hand out both
>> private IP’s and public IP’s only when the customer requests them, and
>> currently if a customer requests a public static I create a custom profile
>> in radius and they get the only IP in a custom pool setup for that profile.
>> Thank you in advance for any and all advice and ideas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Joshua S. Bowsher
>>
>> Director of Internet Services
>> Midwaynet.net
>>
>> Midway Electronics
>>
>> NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
>> 1250 N McKinley Ave
>> Rensselaer, IN 47978
>> Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
>>
>> Cell 219-863-0678
>>
>> www.midwaynet.net
>>
>> jbows...@midwaynet.net
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Josh Bowsher]

Eric,

No I hadn't thought of that but I am interested in hearing more about it. Can 
you give me some more insight on how that would work?

Regards,

Joshua S. Bowsher
Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net
Midway Electronics
NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net
jbows...@midwaynet.net

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Eric Roth
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:43 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: supp...@webjogger.net
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

Hi Joshua,

Have you thought about using 802.1x with multiple VLAN's instead of PPOE and 
setting up a restricted vlan for those who shouldn't be granted access for 
whatever reason.?

--Eric Roth
Technology Specialist
Webjogger Internet Services
(845) 757-4000
www.webjogger.net


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

Joshua, There are several WISPA members who are Mikrotik Engineers.  I would 
expect you could get some advice from one of them with very little cost.  
(Butch Evans, Dennis Burgess, Scott Reed come to mind.)  I know from talking to 
Butch Evans less than a month ago that he has a system that allows you to setup 
DHCP at the Router, The DHCP relay Authenticates the Mac against the Radius and 
gets the assigned IP, creates the queue and reports back to the radius and 
accounting info.  We still use Hotspot on ours and have no issue, but I am not 
the programmer and cant give you  any info with how that is handled.  I do know 
that they have told me that with hotspot it makes it easier to direct customers 
to a payment portal when suspended and it is the same setup if we put a hotspot 
in a public area to get short term customer logins at an event.

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Bowsher
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 5:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

Yes that's exactly what I am after.

Joshua S. Bowsher
Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net
Midway Electronics
NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net
jbows...@midwaynet.net

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

So you don't want to use hotspot or pppoe, but do want to use RADIUS?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Josh Bowsher 
mailto:jbows...@midwaynet.net>> wrote:
With profiles in the profiles.txt file. You can specify rate limits and IP 
pools I do it currently but I use the hotspot mac auth in the mikrotik AP's

Joshua S. Bowsher
Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net
Midway Electronics
NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net
jbows...@midwaynet.net

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:49 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

How do you get it to provide rate limits and ip addresses outside of PPPoE, 
last time I looked if you were doing MAC Auth out of radius you couldn't pass 
IP and queues, it has been a while though so this may have changed.

On 7/13/11 4:46 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Radius can do authentication and provisioning...keep poeple off the network who 
don't belong, set up queues, assign IP's, set up rules to redirect non-paying 
customers, etc. It can be a fantastic tool when used properly. It's not jsut 
for PPPOE.

Cameron
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
What do you want Radius to do if you're not using PPPOE (assuming it's all 
wireless customers)?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Josh Bowsher 
mailto:jbows...@midwaynet.net>> wrote:
I like radius I am just having some random issues with pppoe. I do not want to 
get away from radius. I use Platypus ISP billing and Vircom Radius.

Joshua S. Bowsher
Director of I

Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Josh Bowsher]

Maybe authentication is the wrong word to use. I want a different solution 
whether it is mac auth or something else that will use my radius server and use 
my billing server for accounting.

Joshua S. Bowsher
Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net
Midway Electronics
NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net
jbows...@midwaynet.net

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

Exactly my thought when I read the original post.  Aren't you already doing 
authentication in RADIUS?  What are you really trying to accomplish with 
"authentication?"

On 7/13/2011 5:37 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through radius on 
the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server is going to 
provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What are you using as 
a billing/provisioning platform?

Cameron

Cameron
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher 
mailto:jbows...@midwaynet.net>> wrote:
I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my 
wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from 
it. I use mikrotik AP's and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot 
mac auth and it worked and still works in some of my AP's but some of the more 
crowded locations fell on their face. I am looking for either a way to improve 
that method or I need a centralized box that would control authentication and 
let my billing server and radius server still provision speeds and determine 
that a customer has paid their bill. Currently I am open to suggestions of what 
authentication options are available with my mikrotik equipment and I am 
willing to pay consultation fees if necessary when I get an Idea that will work 
like I want it to. Also, I hand out both private IP's and public IP's only when 
the customer requests them, and currently if a customer requests a public 
static I create a custom profile in radius and they get the only IP in a custom 
pool setup for that profile. Thank you in advance for any and all advice and 
ideas.

Regards,

Joshua S. Bowsher
Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net
Midway Electronics
NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net
jbows...@midwaynet.net





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Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Eric Roth]

Hi Joshua,

 

Have you thought about using 802.1x with multiple VLAN's instead of PPOE
and setting up a restricted vlan for those who shouldn't be granted access
for whatever reason.?

 

--Eric Roth

Technology Specialist
Webjogger Internet Services

(845) 757-4000

www.webjogger.net

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

Joshua, There are several WISPA members who are Mikrotik Engineers.  I
would expect you could get some advice from one of them with very little
cost.  (Butch Evans, Dennis Burgess, Scott Reed come to mind.)  I know
from talking to Butch Evans less than a month ago that he has a system
that allows you to setup DHCP at the Router, The DHCP relay Authenticates
the Mac against the Radius and gets the assigned IP, creates the queue and
reports back to the radius and accounting info.  We still use Hotspot on
ours and have no issue, but I am not the programmer and cant give you  any
info with how that is handled.  I do know that they have told me that with
hotspot it makes it easier to direct customers to a payment portal when
suspended and it is the same setup if we put a hotspot in a public area to
get short term customer logins at an event.

 

Steve Barnes

General Manager

PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Bowsher
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 5:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

Yes that's exactly what I am after.

 

Joshua S. Bowsher

Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net

Midway Electronics

NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212

Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net  

jbows...@midwaynet.net 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

So you don't want to use hotspot or pppoe, but do want to use RADIUS?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Josh Bowsher 
wrote:

With profiles in the profiles.txt file. You can specify rate limits and IP
pools I do it currently but I use the hotspot mac auth in the mikrotik
AP's

 

Joshua S. Bowsher

Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net

Midway Electronics

NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212  

Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net  

jbows...@midwaynet.net 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:49 PM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

How do you get it to provide rate limits and ip addresses outside of
PPPoE, last time I looked if you were doing MAC Auth out of radius you
couldn't pass IP and queues, it has been a while though so this may have
changed.

On 7/13/11 4:46 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: 

Radius can do authentication and provisioning...keep poeple off the
network who don't belong, set up queues, assign IP's, set up rules to
redirect non-paying customers, etc. It can be a fantastic tool when used
properly. It's not jsut for PPPOE. 

 

Cameron

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

What do you want Radius to do if you're not using PPPOE (assuming it's all
wireless customers)?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 

 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Josh Bowsher 
wrote:

I like radius I am just having some random issues with pppoe. I do not
want to get away from radius. I use Platypus ISP billing and Vircom
Radius.

 

Joshua S. Bowsher

Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net

Midway Electronics

NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212  

Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net  

jbows...@midwaynet.net 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 

What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through
radius on the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server
is going to provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What
are you using as a billing/provisioning platform?

 

Cameron

 

Cameron

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher 
wrote:

I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my
wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would

Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Steve Barnes]

Joshua, There are several WISPA members who are Mikrotik Engineers.  I would 
expect you could get some advice from one of them with very little cost.  
(Butch Evans, Dennis Burgess, Scott Reed come to mind.)  I know from talking to 
Butch Evans less than a month ago that he has a system that allows you to setup 
DHCP at the Router, The DHCP relay Authenticates the Mac against the Radius and 
gets the assigned IP, creates the queue and reports back to the radius and 
accounting info.  We still use Hotspot on ours and have no issue, but I am not 
the programmer and cant give you  any info with how that is handled.  I do know 
that they have told me that with hotspot it makes it easier to direct customers 
to a payment portal when suspended and it is the same setup if we put a hotspot 
in a public area to get short term customer logins at an event.

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Bowsher
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 5:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

Yes that's exactly what I am after.

Joshua S. Bowsher
Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net
Midway Electronics
NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net
jbows...@midwaynet.net

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

So you don't want to use hotspot or pppoe, but do want to use RADIUS?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Josh Bowsher 
mailto:jbows...@midwaynet.net>> wrote:
With profiles in the profiles.txt file. You can specify rate limits and IP 
pools I do it currently but I use the hotspot mac auth in the mikrotik AP's

Joshua S. Bowsher
Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net
Midway Electronics
NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net
jbows...@midwaynet.net

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:49 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

How do you get it to provide rate limits and ip addresses outside of PPPoE, 
last time I looked if you were doing MAC Auth out of radius you couldn't pass 
IP and queues, it has been a while though so this may have changed.

On 7/13/11 4:46 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Radius can do authentication and provisioning...keep poeple off the network who 
don't belong, set up queues, assign IP's, set up rules to redirect non-paying 
customers, etc. It can be a fantastic tool when used properly. It's not jsut 
for PPPOE.

Cameron
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
What do you want Radius to do if you're not using PPPOE (assuming it's all 
wireless customers)?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Josh Bowsher 
mailto:jbows...@midwaynet.net>> wrote:
I like radius I am just having some random issues with pppoe. I do not want to 
get away from radius. I use Platypus ISP billing and Vircom Radius.

Joshua S. Bowsher
Director of Internet Services
Midwaynet.net
Midway Electronics
NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
1250 N McKinley Ave
Rensselaer, IN 47978
Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
Cell 219-863-0678

www.midwaynet.net
jbows...@midwaynet.net

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through radius on 
the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server is going to 
provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What are you using as 
a billing/provisioning platform?

Cameron

Cameron
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher 
mailto:jbows...@midwaynet.net>> wrote:
I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my 
wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from 
it. I use mikrotik AP's and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot 
mac auth and it w

Re: [WISPA] [Spam] FCC 5.4 gig training

[Gino Villarini]

Hey PR was the star of the show! LOL!

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Spam] FCC 5.4 gig training

yeah, that will be helpful if Slides are published on WISPA web site somewhere.
The slides had some useful links to FCC Knowledge base documents.
I made the mistake of logging in at the last minute assuming gotomeeting 
wouldn;t require any updates since I've used it before, but missed the first 
half, as it took 20 minutes or so to finish all the softwre updates before I 
could join. Next  time, I know to login 20 minutes early :-)

Overall it was a nice "educational" session on 5.4G.

Its always discouraging though, because it reminds us that most of the gear 
many of us use and like to use would never get certified for 5.4 or 5,3 under 
the current software models.
It was clarified that nothing prohibits software developers from using their 
own software on certified hardware components, but reminds us that that does 
not authorize the use of self software that does not follow the rules. One rule 
being software cant have access to any driver setting that could be changed to 
disable compliance, such as ability to change country code.
More or less indirectly making the use of Open Source illegal in its current 
state, unless first compiled with options removed that allow changing driver 
settings that could compromise compliance.

Note that does not mean that Mikrotik/UBNT is illegal operating at 5.8G if 
certified for 5.8Ghz use. But it means it wont be certified for 5.4G, unless 
software is restricted further.

One of the interesting points was that not only is it illegal to use a higher 
gain antenna than ceertified with, but ALSO illegal to use a LOWER gain antenna 
than certified with. This has to do with DFS certified by minimim antenna gain.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:04 AM
Subject: [Spam] [WISPA] FCC 5.4 gig training


> Just wondering  How many are going to join the "What's legal, what's
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