[WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Troy Settle
Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers. One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse). Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without violating

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
You have to have GFCI outlets indoors? I've never heard of that regulation before. A few thoughts come to mind: * Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page for a power outage. Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it keeps you from having an outage. *

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI outlets for my Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically after a few mins.. Ryan On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: You have to have GFCI outlets

Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900

2012-03-16 Thread Stuart Pierce
You could always use a LocoM900 with the omni, but don't expect to go very far through trees but better than 2.4. -- Original Message -- From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:26:14

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Victoria Proffer
Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone? i.e. strip cell phone pstn my computer Victoria Proffer http://www.stlwimax.com/ STLWiMAX, LLC 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Jay DeBoer
http://dataprobe.com/remote-reboot.html I've used some of their older 'iboots' havent' used their phone devices. On 3/16/2012 9:40, Victoria Proffer wrote: Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone? i.e. strip cell phone pstn my computer Victoria Proffer

[WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their offerings for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to 1Gbps. I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops. Hop 1: 2 miles Hop 2: 2.8 miles Hop 3: 5.6 miles Hop 4: 2.6 miles Hop 5: 2.6 miles

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Need to share a lot more information for that quote. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their offerings for

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Brian Webster
The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it's an auto reset device. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
Like what? :) Ryan On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Need to share a lot more information for that quote. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
Coordinates and tower heights would be a good start. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 3/16/12 10:03 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: Like what? :) Ryan On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Vertical heights. Coordinates. Wind load restriction. Rough budget. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: Like what? :) Ryan On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Licensed 11ghz with 2ft to 4ft dishes. $15,000 per hop. Travis On 3/16/2012 7:52 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their offerings for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to 1Gbps. I need quotes for full

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
You're going to have a hell of an installation when you find that 6 mile link is between two rohn 25 at 10 feet! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, Licensed

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Victoria Proffer
Can you set it on an auto-ping? Victoria Proffer http://www.stlwimax.com/ STLWiMAX, LLC 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:02 AM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Preventing stupid

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Chuck Hogg
I don't think you understand. A GFCI outlet is a mechanical device. You can't reboot it. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Can you set it on an auto-ping? ** ** Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
One of these http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=gfci+outletoe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8tbm=shopcid=16532274097447588363sa=Xei=Ik5jT6H-Nubk0QHnkZWZCAved=0CIoBEPICMAI Where did you one that auto resets, Ryan? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct:

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson
I'm not doing it... I just put a number out there so he could realize there is way more to it than posting a distance. :) Travis On 3/16/2012 8:18 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: You're going to have a hell of an installation when you find that 6 mile link is between two rohn 25 at 10 feet! Josh

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Victoria Proffer
Oh, yeah ... I see, so than you have to reset the circuit, which requires a flip. Victoria Proffer http://www.stlwimax.com/ STLWiMAX, LLC 314-974-5600 From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:24 AM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Cc:

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
I thought $15k was including next day installation with your crew! I can supply the extra hard hat if you need it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I'm not doing

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Yeah. Drop the GFCI. If an inspector whines about it get his home phone and tell him he'll have to meet you at the site every time it goes down because the GFCI technology is so worthless. It won't take but 2 trips and he'll beg you to take them out! And if you think it's bad now. Just wait

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I like the digital loggers products a LOT better than dataprobe. Never had a DL unit start turning it's self off when it's not supposed to. I have had that with an iboot. marlon - Original Message - From: Jay DeBoer To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:47

Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900

2012-03-16 Thread Steve Barnes
Blair, how is this setup working? Is this a real Option for future deployments? I have a grain Leg that would be perfect 25 homes within a 2 mile radius, however, light to moderate woods at 1 Mile almost 100% around the Gran leg. Backhaul not a problem from top but without 900 I cant get 1

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Justin Wilson
But what happens if something shorts and it's traced down to the fact you removed the GFCI. I would not want to bet my business on it. I would have an outlet hardwired into a nema box. That should satisfy code, but I would check. Justin From: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
That's what breakers are for - shorts. GFCIs are for quick blows for things like dropping something in water. I still don't understand why it would be required in a tower building. On 3/16/12 11:11 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: But what happens if something shorts and it's traced down to the

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Greg Ihnen
Just replace it. It's probably failing. They're a pain when they start failing but when you get a good one they're fine. Greg On Mar 16, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Troy Settle wrote: Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers. One of them tripped last night, causing me to

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Justin Wilson
My point was if Code actually requires it, which in this case it may not, don't replace it because it's an inconvenience. You are potentially liable if something were to happen if you are the one who went against code. Instead find a workaround. If code doesn't require it, get an

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Bret Clark
On 03/16/2012 11:27 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: That's what breakers are for - shorts. GFCIs are for quick blows for things like dropping something in water. I still don't understand why it would be required in a tower building. I agree, there's fuse panel, why the heck is a GFCI needed too

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
that 6 mile has a 180 foot tower on one end and a 40 foot on the other.. lol.. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: You're going to have a hell of an installation when you find that 6 mile link is between two rohn 25 at 10 feet! Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
I'll do it for $50. No uptime requirements were given. On 3/16/12 11:35 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: that 6 mile has a 180 foot tower on one end and a 40 foot on the other.. lol.. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Ben West
To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets, I had to remove one in a building when spontaneous trips started occurring randomly (e.g. once every couple weeks) after an adjacent building received a direct lightening strike. For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180 at the top of the tower. Coords? well thats not necessary and I can't give out, due to a NDA Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with room to spare. Budget.. There is no budget here, lets

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
Without coordinates you aren't going to get anything from a lot of people, myself included. I can't promise anything is going to work if I don't know where the towers are, what the terrain is like, etc. There are hops I have between 180 foot towers that require an intermediate hop to make it

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
No licensed link manufacturer will be working with you without coordinates. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 16, 2012 11:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread DJ Anderson
I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from moisture mainly, AFAIK they do not provide any type of protection for devices other than cutting the circuit if it senses a ground fault. DJ Anderson Shelby Broadband On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net wrote: To add to

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
They can have them I just can't give them out on a public list.. That's why I Asked folks to contact me.. Ryan On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: No licensed link manufacturer will be working with you without coordinates. Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Zach Mann
Email Daniel White w Baltic. On Mar 16, 2012 10:54 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: They can have them I just can't give them out on a public list.. That's why I Asked folks to contact me.. Ryan On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Daniel White is with SAF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote: Email Daniel White w Baltic. On Mar 16, 2012 10:54 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: They

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Ben West
This is true. The GFCI outlet happened to already be in the building when I installed equipment. It turns out the GFCI outlet itself could have benefited from lightening isolation. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:45 AM, DJ Anderson d...@shelbybb.com wrote: I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
E-Mail Jon Hoeweler with Streakwave. jon [at] streakwave.com Tell him Matt sent you. On 3/16/12 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Daniel White is with SAF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM,

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 3/16/2012 11:45 AM, JoshL wrote: No licensed link manufacturer will be working with you without coordinates. I suspect he'll volunteer coordinates to a bona fide offeror. Just not to the list. It looks like some of the shorter hops could be handled with 24 GHz unlicensed, if only

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Daniel White
I appreciate the shout out either way! Should anyone else be interested, below is my SAF contact info. Daniel White – Sales Manager Western US SAF Tehnika JSC Cell: +1 303-746-3590 SAF office: +371 67046840 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
There you go, send your coordinates and get some CFIP Luminas. Run fiber for data and cat5 for power. I know first hand it works quite well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Daniel White

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
Ohh and 5 9's is required.. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180 at the top of the tower. Coords? well thats not necessary and I can't give out, due to a NDA Wind loads? each send

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Troy Settle
Thanks Matt! Yeah, the outlet itself is on a post next to the tower foundation and a dropcord feeds into a NEMA box mounted on the tower (no shack). We have a few sites set up like this, and I think I'm going to hardwire everything before we get much further into lightning season. Since

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Licensed and a ptp600? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 16, 2012 12:36 PM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: Ohh and 5 9's is required.. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: As for

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Daniel White
Five 9's with 23GHz at 256QAM is easy for most of these links. the 6 mile link is either 18GHz or 23GHz depending on preferences Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:57 AM

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
But that doesn't include a bird eating the wire :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 16, 2012 1:02 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: Five 9’s with 23GHz at 256QAM is easy for most of these links… the 6 mile link is

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Forbes Mercy
I'm just curious what is keeping MT or UBNT out of the licensed low cost radio business? Is it FCC Certification because it surely can't be quality of equipment reasons? Happy Friday and St. Patty's Day, Forbes On 3/16/2012 7:11 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Licensed 11ghz with 2ft to 4ft

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Kyle Duren
Along those same lines, what is keeping them from making 24ghz unlicensed p2p radios? -Kyle Duren On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: I'm just curious what is keeping MT or UBNT out of the licensed low cost radio business? Is it FCC

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Jenkins
I assume its probably because wifi chips wont meet the spectrum masks required. Also 24ghz requires a transmit channel and a receive channel be many hundred mhz apart. On 03/16/2012 10:35 AM, Kyle Duren wrote: Along those same lines, what is keeping them from

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Daniel White
Snaplink makes an upconverted Atheros based radio in the 24GHz band that is TDD. before buying one I'd find another WISP user that has deployed one and ask them how well it performs :-) From a price perspective I think they are pretty close to a SAF Freemile link anyways.

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Jeromie Reeves
We put in a enclosure and that let us say it was 'indoors' and drop the gfci requirement. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Troy Settle tset...@thewiredroad.net wrote: Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread wispawireless
It is widely suspected that UBNT is announcing a gigabit licensed link next week. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:07:01

Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson
So they crammed five Rockets into a single case? LOL Travis On 3/16/2012 1:39 PM, wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: It is widely suspected that UBNT is announcing a gigabit licensed link next week. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Troy Settle
Next stupid outage at a different site. Specs: Generac 8KW generator Automatic Transfer Switch APC 450 rack mount UPS Mikrotik RB1200 Mikrotik RB435 (3x 802.11n sectors) Dragonwave Compact Horizon #1 Dragonwave Compact Horizon #2 (I don't know how many horses, chickens, goats,