[WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Troy Settle
Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One
of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just
to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 

Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without
violating code?

 

Thanks,

 

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  The Wired Road Authority

  1117 E. Stuart Dr.

  Galax, VA 24333

  (276) 238-0049 (office)

  (276) 237-3890 (cell)

  tset...@thewiredroad.net

 

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that 
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page 
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it 
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside 
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't 
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just 
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a 
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?

On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
 One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
 without violating code?

 Thanks,

 --

 Troy Settle, Network Administrator

 The Wired Road Authority

 1117 E. Stuart Dr.

 Galax, VA 24333

 (276) 238-0049 (office)

 (276) 237-3890 (cell)

 tset...@thewiredroad.net



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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
outlets for my
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote:

 You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
 regulation before.

 A few thoughts come to mind:

 * Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
 for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
 keeps you from having an outage.

 * Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
 your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
 have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

 If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
 plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
 hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?

 On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
  Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
  One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
  miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
 
  Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
  without violating code?
 
  Thanks,
 
  --
 
  Troy Settle, Network Administrator
 
  The Wired Road Authority
 
  1117 E. Stuart Dr.
 
  Galax, VA 24333
 
  (276) 238-0049 (office)
 
  (276) 237-3890 (cell)
 
  tset...@thewiredroad.net
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900

2012-03-16 Thread Stuart Pierce
You could always use a LocoM900 with the omni, but don't expect 
to go very far through trees but better than 2.4.

-- Original Message --
From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:26:14 -0400

I have some customers inside a 1 mile radius of a POP. We want 
to use a rocket M900 with an omni antenna and put a dummy load 
on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't find any MIMO 900MHz 
omni available.

Does anyone have any experience doing this?

Thanks,
Eduardo
Webjogger Internet Services
www.webjogger.net



 





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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Victoria Proffer
Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

 

i.e. 

strip  cell phone  pstn  my computer

 

Victoria Proffer

 http://www.stlwimax.com/ STLWiMAX, LLC

314-974-5600

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
 One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
 without violating code?

 Thanks,

 --

 Troy Settle, Network Administrator

 The Wired Road Authority

 1117 E. Stuart Dr.

 Galax, VA 24333

 (276) 238-0049 tel:%28276%29%20238-0049  (office)

 (276) 237-3890 tel:%28276%29%20237-3890  (cell)

 tset...@thewiredroad.net




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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Jay DeBoer

http://dataprobe.com/remote-reboot.html

I've used some of their older 'iboots' havent' used their phone devices.



On 3/16/2012 9:40, Victoria Proffer wrote:


Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

i.e.

strip  cell phone  pstn  my computer

Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/

314-974-5600

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Ryan Ghering

*Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting 
GFCI outlets for my
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset 
automatically after a few mins..


Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:


You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
 One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
 without violating code?

 Thanks,

 --

 Troy Settle, Network Administrator

 The Wired Road Authority

 1117 E. Stuart Dr.

 Galax, VA 24333

 (276) 238-0049 tel:%28276%29%20238-0049 (office)

 (276) 237-3890 tel:%28276%29%20237-3890 (cell)

 tset...@thewiredroad.net mailto:tset...@thewiredroad.net




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[WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
offerings
for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to
1Gbps.

I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

Hop 1: 2 miles
Hop 2: 2.8 miles
Hop 3: 5.6 miles
Hop 4: 2.6 miles
Hop 5: 2.6 miles

Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to
 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Brian Webster
The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or
breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it's an auto reset
device.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Victoria Proffer
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

 

i.e. 

strip  cell phone  pstn  my computer

 

Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 

314-974-5600

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
 One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
 without violating code?

 Thanks,

 --

 Troy Settle, Network Administrator

 The Wired Road Authority

 1117 E. Stuart Dr.

 Galax, VA 24333

 (276) 238-0049 tel:%28276%29%20238-0049  (office)

 (276) 237-3890 tel:%28276%29%20237-3890  (cell)

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
Like what? :)

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to
 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
Coordinates and tower heights would be a good start.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 3/16/12 10:03 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com
 mailto:rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of
 their offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of
 100Mbps to 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to
 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson

Hi,

Licensed 11ghz with 2ft to 4ft dishes. $15,000 per hop.

Travis


On 3/16/2012 7:52 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their 
offerings
for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps 
to 1Gbps.


I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

Hop 1: 2 miles
Hop 2: 2.8 miles
Hop 3: 5.6 miles
Hop 4: 2.6 miles
Hop 5: 2.6 miles

Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
You're going to have a hell of an installation when you find that 6
mile link is between two rohn 25 at 10 feet!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 Hi,

 Licensed 11ghz with 2ft to 4ft dishes. $15,000 per hop.

 Travis



 On 3/16/2012 7:52 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to
 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Victoria Proffer
Can you set it on an auto-ping?

 

Victoria Proffer

 http://www.stlwimax.com/ STLWiMAX, LLC

314-974-5600

 

From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:02 AM
To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or
breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it's an auto reset
device.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Victoria Proffer
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

 

i.e. 

strip  cell phone  pstn  my computer

 

Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 

314-974-5600

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
 One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
 without violating code?

 Thanks,

 --

 Troy Settle, Network Administrator

 The Wired Road Authority

 1117 E. Stuart Dr.

 Galax, VA 24333

 (276) 238-0049 tel:%28276%29%20238-0049  (office)

 (276) 237-3890 tel:%28276%29%20237-3890  (cell)

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Chuck Hogg
I don't think you understand.  A GFCI outlet is a mechanical device.  You
can't reboot it.

Regards,
Chuck


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Victoria Proffer 
victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote:

 Can you set it on an auto-ping?

 ** **

 Victoria Proffer

 STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/

 314-974-5600

 ** **

 *From:* Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 9:02 AM
 *To:* victo...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 ** **

 The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or
 breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it’s an auto reset
 device.

 ** **

 Thank You,

 Brian Webster

 www.wirelessmapping.com

 www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 ** **

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Victoria Proffer
 *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 9:40 AM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 ** **

 Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

 ** **

 i.e. 

 strip  cell phone  pstn  my computer

 ** **

 Victoria Proffer

 STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/

 314-974-5600

 ** **

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Ryan Ghering
 *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 ** **

 We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
 outlets for my
 Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
 after a few mins..

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 wrote:

 You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
 regulation before.

 A few thoughts come to mind:

 * Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
 for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
 keeps you from having an outage.

 * Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
 your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
 have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

 If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
 plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
 hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


 On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
  Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
  One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
  miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
 
  Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
  without violating code?
 
  Thanks,
 
  --
 
  Troy Settle, Network Administrator
 
  The Wired Road Authority
 
  1117 E. Stuart Dr.
 
  Galax, VA 24333
 
  (276) 238-0049 (office)
 
  (276) 237-3890 (cell)
 
  tset...@thewiredroad.net
 
 
 

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
One of these

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=gfci+outletoe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8tbm=shopcid=16532274097447588363sa=Xei=Ik5jT6H-Nubk0QHnkZWZCAved=0CIoBEPICMAI

Where did you one that auto resets, Ryan?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 I don't think you understand.  A GFCI outlet is a mechanical device.  You
 can't reboot it.

 Regards,
 Chuck



 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Victoria Proffer
 victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote:

 Can you set it on an auto-ping?



 Victoria Proffer

 STLWiMAX, LLC

 314-974-5600



 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com]
 Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:02 AM
 To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



 The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or
 breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it’s an auto reset
 device.



 Thank You,

 Brian Webster

 www.wirelessmapping.com

 www.Broadband-Mapping.com



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Victoria Proffer
 Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:40 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



 Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?



 i.e.

 strip  cell phone  pstn  my computer



 Victoria Proffer

 STLWiMAX, LLC

 314-974-5600



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
 Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



 We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
 outlets for my
 Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
 after a few mins..

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 wrote:

 You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
 regulation before.

 A few thoughts come to mind:

 * Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
 for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
 keeps you from having an outage.

 * Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
 your shack.    You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
 have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

 If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
 plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
 hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


 On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
  Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
  One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
  miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
 
  Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
  without violating code?
 
  Thanks,
 
  --
 
  Troy Settle, Network Administrator
 
  The Wired Road Authority
 
  1117 E. Stuart Dr.
 
  Galax, VA 24333
 
  (276) 238-0049 (office)
 
  (276) 237-3890 (cell)
 
  tset...@thewiredroad.net
 
 
 

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson
I'm not doing it... I just put a number out there so he could realize 
there is way more to it than posting a distance. :)

Travis

On 3/16/2012 8:18 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 You're going to have a hell of an installation when you find that 6
 mile link is between two rohn 25 at 10 feet!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net  wrote:
 Hi,

 Licensed 11ghz with 2ft to 4ft dishes. $15,000 per hop.

 Travis



 On 3/16/2012 7:52 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to
 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Victoria Proffer
Oh, yeah ... I see, so than you have to reset the circuit, which requires a
flip.

 

Victoria Proffer

 http://www.stlwimax.com/ STLWiMAX, LLC

314-974-5600

 

From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:24 AM
To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Cc: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

I don't think you understand.  A GFCI outlet is a mechanical device.  You
can't reboot it.


Regards,
Chuck



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Victoria Proffer
victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote:

Can you set it on an auto-ping?

 

Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 

314-974-5600

 

From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:02 AM
To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or
breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it's an auto reset
device.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Victoria Proffer
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

 

i.e. 

strip  cell phone  pstn  my computer

 

Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 

314-974-5600

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
 One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
 without violating code?

 Thanks,

 --

 Troy Settle, Network Administrator

 The Wired Road Authority

 1117 E. Stuart Dr.

 Galax, VA 24333

 (276) 238-0049 tel:%28276%29%20238-0049  (office)

 (276) 237-3890 tel:%28276%29%20237-3890  (cell)

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
I thought $15k was including next day installation with your crew!  I
can supply the extra hard hat if you need it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 I'm not doing it... I just put a number out there so he could realize
 there is way more to it than posting a distance. :)

 Travis

 On 3/16/2012 8:18 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 You're going to have a hell of an installation when you find that 6
 mile link is between two rohn 25 at 10 feet!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net  wrote:
 Hi,

 Licensed 11ghz with 2ft to 4ft dishes. $15,000 per hop.

 Travis



 On 3/16/2012 7:52 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to
 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Yeah.  Drop the GFCI.

If an inspector whines about it get his home phone and tell him he'll have to 
meet you at the site every time it goes down because the GFCI technology is so 
worthless.  It won't take but 2 trips and he'll beg you to take them out!

And if you think it's bad now.  Just wait till you have to put in arc fault 
breakers everywhere.  The whole house has to have them nowadays.  Can't even 
run a shop vac in my house if it's in one of the rooms with an arc fault.  Half 
my skill saws won't work etc.

Good ideas, both.  Rotten overly sensitive implementation.

The market for used arc faults will be huge sooner than later.  Every homeowner 
with a screw driver will pull them all out and put in normal breakers :-).

The NEC is getting to be worse than the dept. of ecology!

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Troy Settle 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:04 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages


  Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One of 
them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just to 
push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

   

  Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without 
violating code?

   

  Thanks,

   

  -- 

Troy Settle, Network Administrator

The Wired Road Authority

1117 E. Stuart Dr.

Galax, VA 24333

(276) 238-0049 (office)

(276) 237-3890 (cell)

tset...@thewiredroad.net

   



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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I like the digital loggers products a LOT better than dataprobe.

Never had a DL unit start turning it's self off when it's not supposed to.  I 
have had that with an iboot.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay DeBoer 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages


  http://dataprobe.com/remote-reboot.html

  I've used some of their older 'iboots' havent' used their phone devices.



  On 3/16/2012 9:40, Victoria Proffer wrote: 
Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?



i.e. 

strip  cell phone  pstn  my computer



Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC

314-974-5600



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI 
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically 
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com 
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
 One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
 without violating code?

 Thanks,

 --

 Troy Settle, Network Administrator

 The Wired Road Authority

 1117 E. Stuart Dr.

 Galax, VA 24333

 (276) 238-0049 (office)

 (276) 237-3890 (cell)

 tset...@thewiredroad.net




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Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900

2012-03-16 Thread Steve Barnes
Blair, how is this setup working?  Is this a real Option for future 
deployments?  I have a grain Leg that would be perfect 25 homes within a 2 mile 
radius, however, light to moderate woods at 1 Mile almost 100% around the Gran 
leg.  Backhaul not a problem from top but without 900 I cant get 1 mile and 
only 3 house.

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN / RC-WiFihttp://www.rcwifi.com/

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900

opps!  V-pol on chain 1

On 3/13/2012 9:02 PM, Blair Davis wrote:
Reverse them.  Put the H-pol omni on chain 0 and the V-pol on chain.  Works 
much better.

Not sure why, but my field testing proved it.



On 3/13/2012 5:42 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
We are looking into a situation like this, using a 900 Vertical Omni with on 
chain 0 and a Horizontal Omni on chain 1
with about 10 foot pf spacing between the two. I too would like to know if 
anyone else has done this..

Ryan

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Jason Bailey 
j284...@yahoo.commailto:j284...@yahoo.com wrote:
What I did was connect the omni to one port,connected a h-pol 9db panel and 
pointed it toward the majority of customers.

--- On Tue, 3/13/12, Eduardo 
edua...@webjogger.netmailto:edua...@webjogger.net wrote:

From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.netmailto:edua...@webjogger.net
Subject: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 5:26 PM

I have some customers inside a 1 mile radius of a POP. We want to use a rocket 
M900 with an omni antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since 
we couldn't find any MIMO 900MHz omni available.

Does anyone have any experience doing this?

Thanks,
Eduardo
Webjogger Internet Services
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Justin Wilson
But what happens if something shorts and it's traced down to the fact you
removed the GFCI.  I would not want to bet my business on it.  I would have
an outlet hardwired into a nema box.  That should satisfy code, but I would
check.

Justin

From:  Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com
Reply-To:  WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:00:39 -0700
To:  WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject:  Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 Yeah.  Drop the GFCI.
  
 If an inspector whines about it get his home phone and tell him he'll have to
 meet you at the site every time it goes down because the GFCI technology is so
 worthless.  It won't take but 2 trips and he'll beg you to take them out!
  
 And if you think it's bad now.  Just wait till you have to put in arc fault
 breakers everywhere.  The whole house has to have them nowadays.  Can't even
 run a shop vac in my house if it's in one of the rooms with an arc fault.
 Half my skill saws won't work etc.
  
 Good ideas, both.  Rotten overly sensitive implementation.
  
 The market for used arc faults will be huge sooner than later.  Every
 homeowner with a screw driver will pull them all out and put in normal
 breakers :-).
  
 The NEC is getting to be worse than the dept. of ecology!
  
 marlon
  
  
 - Original Message -
  
 From:  Troy  Settle mailto:tset...@thewiredroad.net
  
 To: wireless@wispa.org
  
 Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:04 AM
  
 Subject: [WISPA] Preventing stupid  outages
  
 
  
  
 
 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of  our towers.  One
 of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on  some 80 miles just
 to push a button (yes, it could have been much  worse).
  
  
  
 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from  happening without
 violating code?
  
  
  
 Thanks,
  
  
  
 -- 
  
   Troy Settle, Network  Administrator
  
   The Wired Road Authority
  
   1117 E. Stuart Dr.
  
   Galax, VA 24333
  
   (276) 238-0049 (office)
  
   (276) 237-3890 (cell)
  
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
That's what breakers are for - shorts.
GFCIs are for quick blows for things like dropping something in 
water.   I still don't understand why it would be required in a tower 
building.

On 3/16/12 11:11 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
 But what happens if something shorts and it's traced down to the fact
 you removed the GFCI. I would not want to bet my business on it. I would
 have an outlet hardwired into a nema box. That should satisfy code, but
 I would check.

 Justin

 From: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com
 mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:00:39 -0700
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 Yeah. Drop the GFCI.
 If an inspector whines about it get his home phone and tell him
 he'll have to meet you at the site every time it goes down because
 the GFCI technology is so worthless. It won't take but 2 trips and
 he'll beg you to take them out!
 And if you think it's bad now. Just wait till you have to put in arc
 fault breakers everywhere. The whole house has to have them
 nowadays. Can't even run a shop vac in my house if it's in one of
 the rooms with an arc fault. Half my skill saws won't work etc.
 Good ideas, both. Rotten overly sensitive implementation.
 The market for used arc faults will be huge sooner than later. Every
 homeowner with a screw driver will pull them all out and put in
 normal breakers :-).
 The NEC is getting to be worse than the dept. of ecology!
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Troy Settle mailto:tset...@thewiredroad.net
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 6:04 AM
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our
 towers. One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to
 put on some 80 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have
 been much worse).

 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from
 happening without violating code?

 Thanks,

 --

 Troy Settle, Network Administrator

 The Wired Road Authority

 1117 E. Stuart Dr.

 Galax, VA 24333

 (276) 238-0049 (office)

 (276) 237-3890 (cell)

 tset...@thewiredroad.net mailto:tset...@thewiredroad.net

 
 

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Greg Ihnen
Just replace it. It's probably failing. They're a pain when they start failing 
but when you get a good one they're fine.

Greg

On Mar 16, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Troy Settle wrote:

 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One of 
 them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just to 
 push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
  
 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without 
 violating code?
  
 Thanks,
  
 --
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   The Wired Road Authority
   1117 E. Stuart Dr.
   Galax, VA 24333
   (276) 238-0049 (office)
   (276) 237-3890 (cell)
   tset...@thewiredroad.net
  

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Justin Wilson
My point was if Code actually requires it, which in this case it may 
not,
don't replace it because it's an inconvenience.  You are potentially
liable if something were to happen if you are the one who went against
code. Instead find a workaround.  If code doesn't require it, get an
inspector to sign off.

Justin

-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:27:40 -0400
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Cc: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

That's what breakers are for - shorts.
GFCIs are for quick blows for things like dropping something in
water.   I still don't understand why it would be required in a tower
building.

On 3/16/12 11:11 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
 But what happens if something shorts and it's traced down to the fact
 you removed the GFCI. I would not want to bet my business on it. I would
 have an outlet hardwired into a nema box. That should satisfy code, but
 I would check.

 Justin

 From: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com
 mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:00:39 -0700
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 Yeah. Drop the GFCI.
 If an inspector whines about it get his home phone and tell him
 he'll have to meet you at the site every time it goes down because
 the GFCI technology is so worthless. It won't take but 2 trips and
 he'll beg you to take them out!
 And if you think it's bad now. Just wait till you have to put in arc
 fault breakers everywhere. The whole house has to have them
 nowadays. Can't even run a shop vac in my house if it's in one of
 the rooms with an arc fault. Half my skill saws won't work etc.
 Good ideas, both. Rotten overly sensitive implementation.
 The market for used arc faults will be huge sooner than later. Every
 homeowner with a screw driver will pull them all out and put in
 normal breakers :-).
 The NEC is getting to be worse than the dept. of ecology!
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Troy Settle mailto:tset...@thewiredroad.net
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 6:04 AM
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our
 towers. One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to
 put on some 80 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have
 been much worse).

 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from
 happening without violating code?

 Thanks,

 --

 Troy Settle, Network Administrator

 The Wired Road Authority

 1117 E. Stuart Dr.

 Galax, VA 24333

 (276) 238-0049 (office)

 (276) 237-3890 (cell)

 tset...@thewiredroad.net mailto:tset...@thewiredroad.net

 


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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Bret Clark

On 03/16/2012 11:27 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

That's what breakers are for - shorts.
GFCIs are for quick blows for things like dropping something in
water.   I still don't understand why it would be required in a tower
building.


I agree, there's  fuse panel, why the heck is a GFCI needed too at a 
tower site? Are you sure this is code? My guess is some inspector has 
completely misread the code and is applying house code to a tower site!
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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
that 6 mile has a 180 foot tower on one end and a 40 foot on the other..
lol..

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 You're going to have a hell of an installation when you find that 6
 mile link is between two rohn 25 at 10 feet!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Licensed 11ghz with 2ft to 4ft dishes. $15,000 per hop.
 
  Travis
 
 
 
  On 3/16/2012 7:52 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
 
  I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
  offerings
  for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to
  1Gbps.
 
  I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.
 
  Hop 1: 2 miles
  Hop 2: 2.8 miles
  Hop 3: 5.6 miles
  Hop 4: 2.6 miles
  Hop 5: 2.6 miles
 
  Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8
 
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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
I'll do it for $50.  No uptime requirements were given.


On 3/16/12 11:35 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
 that 6 mile has a 180 foot tower on one end and a 40 foot on the other..
 lol..

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 You're going to have a hell of an installation when you find that 6
 mile link is between two rohn 25 at 10 feet!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
 mailto:t...@ida.net wrote:
   Hi,
  
   Licensed 11ghz with 2ft to 4ft dishes. $15,000 per hop.
  
   Travis
  
  
  
   On 3/16/2012 7:52 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
  
   I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
   offerings
   for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of
 100Mbps to
   1Gbps.
  
   I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.
  
   Hop 1: 2 miles
   Hop 2: 2.8 miles
   Hop 3: 5.6 miles
   Hop 4: 2.6 miles
   Hop 5: 2.6 miles
  
   Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8
  
   Please call my Cell listed below.
  
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Ben West
To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets, I had to
remove one in a building when spontaneous trips started occurring randomly
(e.g. once every couple weeks) after an adjacent building received a direct
lightening strike.

For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to lightening protection,
still lost a bunch of equipment.

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180 at
the top of the tower.

Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a NDA

Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with
room to spare.

Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has pretty deep
pockets..

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps
 to 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
Without coordinates you aren't going to get anything from a lot of 
people, myself included.  I can't promise anything is going to work if I 
don't know where the towers are, what the terrain is like, etc.

There are hops I have between 180 foot towers that require an 
intermediate hop to make it work.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 3/16/12 11:39 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
 As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180
 at the top of the tower.

 Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a NDA

 Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with
 room to spare.

 Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has pretty
 deep pockets..

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com
 mailto:rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com
 mailto:rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on
 any of their offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for
 BH of 100Mbps to 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
No licensed link manufacturer will be working with you without coordinates.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 16, 2012 11:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180
 at the top of the tower.

 Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a NDA

 Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with
 room to spare.

 Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has pretty deep
 pockets..

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps
 to 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread DJ Anderson
I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from moisture mainly, AFAIK they
do not provide any type of protection for devices other than cutting the
circuit if it senses a ground fault.

DJ Anderson
Shelby Broadband



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net wrote:

 To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets, I had to
 remove one in a building when spontaneous trips started occurring randomly
 (e.g. once every couple weeks) after an adjacent building received a direct
 lightening strike.

 For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to lightening protection,
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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
They can have them I just can't give them out on a public list..
That's why I Asked folks to contact me..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 No licensed link manufacturer will be working with you without coordinates.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 11:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180
 at the top of the tower.

 Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a NDA

 Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with
 room to spare.

 Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has pretty
 deep pockets..

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps
 to 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Zach Mann
Email Daniel White w Baltic.
On Mar 16, 2012 10:54 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 They can have them I just can't give them out on a public list..
 That's why I Asked folks to contact me..

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 No licensed link manufacturer will be working with you without
 coordinates.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 11:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180
 at the top of the tower.

 Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a NDA

 Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with
 room to spare.

 Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has pretty
 deep pockets..

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of
 100Mbps to 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Daniel White is with SAF.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote:
 Email Daniel White w Baltic.

 On Mar 16, 2012 10:54 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 They can have them I just can't give them out on a public list..
 That's why I Asked folks to contact me..

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 No licensed link manufacturer will be working with you without
 coordinates.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 11:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180
 at the top of the tower.

 Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a NDA

 Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with
 room to spare.

 Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has pretty
 deep pockets..

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of
 100Mbps to 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Ben West
This is true.  The GFCI outlet happened to already be in the building when
I installed equipment.  It turns out the GFCI outlet itself could have
benefited from lightening isolation.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:45 AM, DJ Anderson d...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from moisture mainly, AFAIK they
 do not provide any type of protection for devices other than cutting the
 circuit if it senses a ground fault.



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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
E-Mail Jon Hoeweler with Streakwave.

jon [at] streakwave.com

Tell him Matt sent you.


On 3/16/12 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Daniel White is with SAF.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Zach Mannzma...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Email Daniel White w Baltic.

 On Mar 16, 2012 10:54 AM, Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com  wrote:

 They can have them I just can't give them out on a public list..
 That's why I Asked folks to contact me..

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  wrote:

 No licensed link manufacturer will be working with you without
 coordinates.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 11:39 AM, Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com  wrote:

 As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180
 at the top of the tower.

 Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a NDA

 Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with
 room to spare.

 Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has pretty
 deep pockets..

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  wrote:

 Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com  wrote:

 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com  wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of
 100Mbps to 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Fred Goldstein

At 3/16/2012 11:45 AM, JoshL wrote:


No licensed link manufacturer will be working with you without coordinates.


I suspect he'll volunteer coordinates to a bona fide offeror. Just 
not to the list.


It looks like some of the shorter hops could be handled with 24 GHz 
unlicensed, if only marginally fast enough.  Maybe faster with 80 GHz 
licensed, albeit with a 0.4 degree beam width to maintain.  60 GHz 
unlicened wouldn't hack it. The longer hop might work at 18 GHz 
licensed.  The radios (say, Dragonwave, SAF or Bridgewave) aren't 
terribly expensive (well, a lot more than Ubiquitis), but will need 
precise installation. I assume he has identified clear paths.


On Mar 16, 2012 11:39 AM, Ryan Ghering 
mailto:rgher...@gmail.comrgher...@gmail.com wrote:
As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 
180 at the top of the tower.


Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a NDA

Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish 
with room to spare.


Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has 
pretty deep pockets..


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.comj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

Josh Luthman
Office: tel:937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: tel:937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering 
mailto:rgher...@gmail.comrgher...@gmail.com wrote:

Like what? :)

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.comj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

Josh Luthman
Office: tel:937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: tel:937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering 
mailto:rgher...@gmail.comrgher...@gmail.com wrote:

I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their offerings
for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 
100Mbps to 1Gbps.


I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

Hop 1: 2 miles
Hop 2: 2.8 miles
Hop 3: 5.6 miles
Hop 4: 2.6 miles
Hop 5: 2.6 miles

Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Daniel White
I appreciate the shout out either way!

Should anyone else be interested, below is my SAF contact info.

Daniel White – Sales Manager Western US
SAF Tehnika JSC

Cell:   +1 303-746-3590
SAF office: +371 67046840
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

Daniel White is with SAF.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote:
 Email Daniel White w Baltic.

 On Mar 16, 2012 10:54 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 They can have them I just can't give them out on a public list..
 That's why I Asked folks to contact me..

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 No licensed link manufacturer will be working with you without 
 coordinates.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 11:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up 
 to 180 at the top of the tower.

 Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a 
 NDA

 Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish 
 with room to spare.

 Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has 
 pretty deep pockets..

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of 
 their offerings for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles 
 solutions for BH of 100Mbps to 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
There you go, send your coordinates and get some CFIP Luminas.  Run
fiber for data and cat5 for power.  I know first hand it works quite
well.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
 I appreciate the shout out either way!

 Should anyone else be interested, below is my SAF contact info.

 Daniel White – Sales Manager Western US
 SAF Tehnika JSC

 Cell:   +1 303-746-3590
 SAF office:     +371 67046840
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:00 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

 Daniel White is with SAF.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote:
 Email Daniel White w Baltic.

 On Mar 16, 2012 10:54 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 They can have them I just can't give them out on a public list..
 That's why I Asked folks to contact me..

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 No licensed link manufacturer will be working with you without
 coordinates.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 11:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up
 to 180 at the top of the tower.

 Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a
 NDA

 Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish
 with room to spare.

 Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has
 pretty deep pockets..

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of
 their offerings for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles
 solutions for BH of 100Mbps to 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering
Ohh and 5 9's is required..

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180
 at the top of the tower.

 Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a NDA

 Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with
 room to spare.

 Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has pretty deep
 pockets..


 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps
 to 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Troy Settle
Thanks Matt!

Yeah, the outlet itself is on a post next to the tower foundation and a
dropcord feeds into a NEMA box mounted on the tower (no shack).  We have a
few sites set up like this, and I think I'm going to hardwire everything
before we get much further into lightning season.

Since posting, I spoke with an electrician who has done some other work for
us, and he also suggested yanking the GFCI.

I don't know why this was installed this way.  I'm thinking that the
electrician who did the original work was thinking more residential than
industrial.  I'll leave the GFCI outlet in place as a convenience outlet to
provide the extra protection when we're out there working.


-Troy

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com]
 Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Cc: Troy Settle
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
 
 You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
 regulation before.
 
 A few thoughts come to mind:
 
 * Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
 for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
 keeps you from having an outage.
 
 * Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
 your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
 have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.
 
 If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
 plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
 hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?
 
 On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
  Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
  One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
  miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
 
  Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
  without violating code?
 
  Thanks,
 
  --
 
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  The Wired Road Authority
 
  1117 E. Stuart Dr.
 
  Galax, VA 24333
 
  (276) 238-0049 (office)
 
  (276) 237-3890 (cell)
 
  tset...@thewiredroad.net
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Licensed and a ptp600?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 16, 2012 12:36 PM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ohh and 5 9's is required..

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180
 at the top of the tower.

 Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a NDA

 Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with
 room to spare.

 Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has pretty
 deep pockets..


 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like what? :)

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps
 to 1Gbps.

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Daniel White
Five 9's with 23GHz at 256QAM is easy for most of these links. the 6 mile
link is either 18GHz or 23GHz depending on preferences

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

 

Licensed and a ptp600?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 16, 2012 12:36 PM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

Ohh and 5 9's is required..

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180 at
the top of the tower.

 

Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a NDA

 

Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with
room to spare.

 

Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has pretty deep
pockets..

 

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

Like what? :)

 

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
offerings

for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to
1Gbps.

 

I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 

Hop 1: 2 miles

Hop 2: 2.8 miles

Hop 3: 5.6 miles

Hop 4: 2.6 miles

Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 

Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 

Please call my Cell listed below.


 

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Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879

 

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
But that doesn't include a bird eating the wire :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 16, 2012 1:02 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Five 9’s with 23GHz at 256QAM is easy for most of these links… the 6 mile
 link is either 18GHz or 23GHz depending on preferences

 ** **

 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590

 ** **

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 10:57 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

 ** **

 Licensed and a ptp600?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 12:36 PM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ohh and 5 9's is required..

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:*
 ***

 As for Vertical just say minimum of 40 foot on 3 end point and up to 180
 at the top of the tower.

 ** **

 Coords? well thats not necessary  and I can't give out, due to a NDA

 ** **

 Wind loads? each send point is built to sustain up to a 3 foot dish with
 room to spare.

 ** **

 Budget.. There is no budget here, lets just say the client has pretty deep
 pockets..

 ** **

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Vertical heights.  Coordinates.  Wind load restriction.  Rough budget.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 10:04 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like what? :)

 ** **

 Ryan

 On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Need to share a lot more information for that quote.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 16, 2012 9:52 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their
 offerings

 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to
 1Gbps.

 ** **

 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

 ** **

 Hop 1: 2 miles

 Hop 2: 2.8 miles

 Hop 3: 5.6 miles

 Hop 4: 2.6 miles

 Hop 5: 2.6 miles

 ** **

 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

 ** **

 Please call my Cell listed below.
 

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Forbes Mercy
I'm just curious what is keeping MT or UBNT out of the licensed low cost 
radio business?  Is it FCC Certification because it surely can't be 
quality of equipment reasons?


Happy Friday and St. Patty's Day,

Forbes

On 3/16/2012 7:11 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

Hi,

Licensed 11ghz with 2ft to 4ft dishes. $15,000 per hop.

Travis


On 3/16/2012 7:52 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their 
offerings
for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps 
to 1Gbps.


I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.

Hop 1: 2 miles
Hop 2: 2.8 miles
Hop 3: 5.6 miles
Hop 4: 2.6 miles
Hop 5: 2.6 miles

Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8

Please call my Cell listed below.

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Kyle Duren
Along those same lines, what is keeping them from making 24ghz unlicensed
p2p radios?

-Kyle Duren

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
 wrote:

  I'm just curious what is keeping MT or UBNT out of the licensed low cost
 radio business?  Is it FCC Certification because it surely can't be quality
 of equipment reasons?

 Happy Friday and St. Patty's Day,

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Jenkins


  
  
I assume its probably because wifi chips wont meet the spectrum
masks required. Also 24ghz requires a transmit channel and a receive
channel be many hundred mhz apart.

On 03/16/2012 10:35 AM, Kyle Duren wrote:
Along those same lines, what is keeping them from
  making 24ghz unlicensed p2p radios?
  
  
  -Kyle Duren

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM,
  Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
  wrote:
  
 I'm just curious what
  is keeping MT or UBNT out of the licensed low cost radio
  business? Is it FCC Certification because it surely can't
  be quality of equipment reasons?
  
  Happy Friday and St. Patty's Day,
  
  Forbes
  

  

  

  

  
  

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Daniel White
Snaplink makes an upconverted Atheros based radio in the 24GHz band that is
TDD. before buying one I'd find another WISP user that has deployed one and
ask them how well it performs :-)

 

From a price perspective I think they are pretty close to a SAF Freemile
link anyways.

 

http://www.snaplinkradio.com http://www.snaplinkradio.com/ 

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

 

I assume its probably because wifi chips wont meet the spectrum masks
required. Also 24ghz requires a transmit channel and a receive channel be
many hundred mhz apart.

On 03/16/2012 10:35 AM, Kyle Duren wrote: 

Along those same lines, what is keeping them from making 24ghz unlicensed
p2p radios? 

 

-Kyle Duren

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote:

I'm just curious what is keeping MT or UBNT out of the licensed low cost
radio business?  Is it FCC Certification because it surely can't be quality
of equipment reasons?

Happy Friday and St. Patty's Day,

Forbes 

 

 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Jeromie Reeves
We put in a enclosure and that let us say it was 'indoors' and drop
the gfci requirement.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Troy Settle tset...@thewiredroad.net wrote:
 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One
 of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just
 to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).



 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without
 violating code?



 Thanks,



 --

   Troy Settle, Network Administrator

   The Wired Road Authority

   1117 E. Stuart Dr.

   Galax, VA 24333

   (276) 238-0049 (office)

   (276) 237-3890 (cell)

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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread wispawireless
It is widely suspected that UBNT is announcing a gigabit licensed link next 
week.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:07:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.


I'm just curious what is keeping MT or UBNT out of the licensed low cost radio 
business? Is it FCC Certification because it surely can't be quality of 
equipment reasons? 

Happy Friday and St. Patty's Day, 

Forbes 

On 3/16/2012 7:11 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: 

Hi, 

Licensed 11ghz with 2ft to 4ft dishes. $15,000 per hop. 

Travis 


On 3/16/2012 7:52 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: 

I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their offerings 
for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to 1Gbps. 


I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops. 


Hop 1: 2 miles 
Hop 2: 2.8 miles 
Hop 3: 5.6 miles 
Hop 4: 2.6 miles 
Hop 5: 2.6 miles 


Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8 


Please call my Cell listed below. 


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Network Operations - Plains.Net 
Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 


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Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.

2012-03-16 Thread Travis Johnson
So they crammed five Rockets into a single case? LOL

Travis


On 3/16/2012 1:39 PM, wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 It is widely suspected that UBNT is announcing a gigabit licensed link next 
 week.



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 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:07:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps+ BH Solutions.


 I'm just curious what is keeping MT or UBNT out of the licensed low cost 
 radio business? Is it FCC Certification because it surely can't be quality of 
 equipment reasons?

 Happy Friday and St. Patty's Day,

 Forbes

 On 3/16/2012 7:11 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 Licensed 11ghz with 2ft to 4ft dishes. $15,000 per hop.

 Travis


 On 3/16/2012 7:52 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote:

 I need any vendors on the list to please contact me on any of their offerings
 for short to medium distance 1 to 6 miles solutions for BH of 100Mbps to 
 1Gbps.


 I need quotes for full installs of these listed hops.


 Hop 1: 2 miles
 Hop 2: 2.8 miles
 Hop 3: 5.6 miles
 Hop 4: 2.6 miles
 Hop 5: 2.6 miles


 Freq can be anything OTHER than 2.4 or 5.8


 Please call my Cell listed below.


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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Troy Settle
Next stupid outage at a different site.

 

Specs:

 

Generac 8KW generator

Automatic Transfer Switch

APC 450 rack mount UPS

Mikrotik RB1200

Mikrotik RB435 (3x 802.11n sectors)

Dragonwave Compact Horizon #1

Dragonwave Compact Horizon #2

 

(I don't know how many horses, chickens, goats, pigs, and other critters are
onsite, but I don't think they're an issue).

 

Total load on the UPS is at 44%, estimated run is 25 minutes (long enough
for the generator and switch to do their thing).

 

Radios grounded to the tower, tower grounded and bonded to the shack.  Shack
has two rods (panel - Rod - Rod - Generator).

 

Everything inside is bonded as well, including the drain wires on all the
Cat-5.

 

Yesterday, the Dragonwaves rebooted several times during the storm, but
neither RB lost power even once.

 

Any guesses?  I'm sleeping on it over the weekend, but probably need to get
it figured out before too many more storms come over the mountains.

 

Thanks,

 

-Troy

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Troy Settle
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:05 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One
of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just
to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 

Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without
violating code?

 

Thanks,

 

-- 

  Troy Settle, Network Administrator

  The Wired Road Authority

  1117 E. Stuart Dr.

  Galax, VA 24333

  (276) 238-0049 (office)

  (276) 237-3890 (cell)

  tset...@thewiredroad.net

 

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