Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

2012-05-25 Thread Matt
 Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
 cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
 Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members
to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to
WISPA.  Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such
data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the
propagation patterns from all other members on it.  WISPA would have
benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to
use themselves.
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Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

2012-05-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Couldn't you just request that information from the various state mapping 
agencies that are already doing the heavy lifting?



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From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:50:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

 Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
 cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
 Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members
to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to
WISPA.  Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such
data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the
propagation patterns from all other members on it.  WISPA would have
benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to
use themselves.
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Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

2012-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
+1 Mike

Why put more work on WISPA when it's already paid for by our tax dollars?

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On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Couldn't you just request that information from the various state mapping 
 agencies that are already doing the heavy lifting?



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 - Original Message -
 From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:50:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

 Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
 cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
 Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

 One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members
 to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to
 WISPA.  Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such
 data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the
 propagation patterns from all other members on it.  WISPA would have
 benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to
 use themselves.
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Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

2012-05-25 Thread Chuck Hogg
Problem is, I was 1 of 2 of about 20 WISPs in KY that actually reported
this data.

Regards,
Chuck


On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

 Couldn't you just request that information from the various state mapping
 agencies that are already doing the heavy lifting?



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 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:50:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

  Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
  cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
  Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

 One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members
 to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to
 WISPA.  Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such
 data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the
 propagation patterns from all other members on it.  WISPA would have
 benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to
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Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

2012-05-25 Thread Cameron Crum
Accurate propagation studies require a lot more than just submitting
coordinates, heights and frequencies. You really can't just use some set of
default numbers for all the parameters involved. You need antenna patterns,
gains (on both ends), C/I values, noise figures, and a whole host of other
info. This doesn't even include optimizing for clutter categories and
elevations. If you don't have this, you might as well just draw circles as
it would be about as useful. I spent a lot of years making good money doing
just this for the cellular industry. They understood that designing a
network incorrectly had dire financial consequences. We on the other hand
seem to think of prop studies as an after thought. While I know that we
have to go where the towers are and don't have the resources to build where
we want to get an optimized network, we should still take it seriously and
do it right when we decide to actually perform the study.

Cameron

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

  Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
  cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
  Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

 One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members
 to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to
 WISPA.  Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such
 data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the
 propagation patterns from all other members on it.  WISPA would have
 benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to
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Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

2012-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Right, but is what they do good enough?  I think so.  If I can get my
name out there and even if I only service 90% of the calls, that's a
win win.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:
 Accurate propagation studies require a lot more than just submitting
 coordinates, heights and frequencies. You really can't just use some set of
 default numbers for all the parameters involved. You need antenna patterns,
 gains (on both ends), C/I values, noise figures, and a whole host of other
 info. This doesn't even include optimizing for clutter categories and
 elevations. If you don't have this, you might as well just draw circles as
 it would be about as useful. I spent a lot of years making good money doing
 just this for the cellular industry. They understood that designing a
 network incorrectly had dire financial consequences. We on the other hand
 seem to think of prop studies as an after thought. While I know that we have
 to go where the towers are and don't have the resources to build where we
 want to get an optimized network, we should still take it seriously and do
 it right when we decide to actually perform the study.

 Cameron


 On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

  Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
  cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
  Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

 One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members
 to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to
 WISPA.  Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such
 data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the
 propagation patterns from all other members on it.  WISPA would have
 benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to
 use themselves.
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Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF

2012-05-25 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 5/25/2012 01:03 PM, Matt wrote:
Perhaps anyone accepting money from these funds should be required to
wholesale there services at a discount such as dry loop dsl?  They
should also not be allowed to price under cut wholesalers for that to
work?

In fact, that *was* the rule.  Or at least they had to wholesale the 
DSL, even if it was bundled with cheap POTS.  When the FCC detariffed 
DSL in 2005, it was permissive, so the Bells could detariff while the 
subsidized rural ILECs stayed on tariff in order to maximize their USF.

The new Connect America Fund rules make one major change -- they 
allow the ILEC to detariff DSL, offer it only as a retail information 
service, and still get subsidized.  That's how they want to improve 
broadband availability.  Gee, do you think any telco lobbyists were 
active in getting that passed? ;-)

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[WISPA] Ubiquiti PicoStation M

2012-05-25 Thread Carl Shivers
On the advice of my vendor, I got a set of UBNT PicoStation Ms. For testing,
I turned off AirMax, put the radio in Access Point mode and bridge network.
When trying to connect various laptops to the radio, I get immediate
failures. It doesn't matter if I give myself an address on my Wireless
adapter or plug the radio into my network, which has a DHCP server,
connections still fail. I have no security set for the test.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PicoStation M

2012-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
What's an immediate failure?  I have a bunch of them in hotels with
100s of people every week.

Josh Luthman
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On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net wrote:
 On the advice of my vendor, I got a set of UBNT PicoStation Ms. For testing,
 I turned off AirMax, put the radio in Access Point mode and bridge network.
 When trying to connect various laptops to the radio, I get immediate
 failures. It doesn’t matter if I give myself an address on my Wireless
 adapter or plug the radio into my network, which has a DHCP server,
 connections still fail. I have no security set for the test.



 Any suggestions?


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PicoStation M

2012-05-25 Thread timothy steele
i would post this on the UBNT forum. make sure you are using firmware 5.3
or newer
a diagram on how you have things setup would be very helpful.

Thanks,

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.netwrote:

 On the advice of my vendor, I got a set of UBNT PicoStation Ms. For
 testing, I turned off AirMax, put the radio in Access Point mode and bridge
 network. When trying to connect various laptops to the radio, I get
 immediate failures. It doesn’t matter if I give myself an address on my
 Wireless adapter or plug the radio into my network, which has a DHCP
 server, connections still fail. I have no security set for the test.

 ** **

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