Re: [WISPA] What you can do!
Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls. Thought it would be appropriate here as well: One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to WISPA. Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the propagation patterns from all other members on it. WISPA would have benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to use themselves. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] What you can do!
Couldn't you just request that information from the various state mapping agencies that are already doing the heavy lifting? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:50:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What you can do! Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls. Thought it would be appropriate here as well: One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to WISPA. Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the propagation patterns from all other members on it. WISPA would have benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to use themselves. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] What you can do!
+1 Mike Why put more work on WISPA when it's already paid for by our tax dollars? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Couldn't you just request that information from the various state mapping agencies that are already doing the heavy lifting? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:50:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What you can do! Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls. Thought it would be appropriate here as well: One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to WISPA. Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the propagation patterns from all other members on it. WISPA would have benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to use themselves. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] What you can do!
Problem is, I was 1 of 2 of about 20 WISPs in KY that actually reported this data. Regards, Chuck On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Couldn't you just request that information from the various state mapping agencies that are already doing the heavy lifting? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:50:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What you can do! Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls. Thought it would be appropriate here as well: One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to WISPA. Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the propagation patterns from all other members on it. WISPA would have benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to use themselves. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] What you can do!
Accurate propagation studies require a lot more than just submitting coordinates, heights and frequencies. You really can't just use some set of default numbers for all the parameters involved. You need antenna patterns, gains (on both ends), C/I values, noise figures, and a whole host of other info. This doesn't even include optimizing for clutter categories and elevations. If you don't have this, you might as well just draw circles as it would be about as useful. I spent a lot of years making good money doing just this for the cellular industry. They understood that designing a network incorrectly had dire financial consequences. We on the other hand seem to think of prop studies as an after thought. While I know that we have to go where the towers are and don't have the resources to build where we want to get an optimized network, we should still take it seriously and do it right when we decide to actually perform the study. Cameron On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls. Thought it would be appropriate here as well: One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to WISPA. Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the propagation patterns from all other members on it. WISPA would have benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to use themselves. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] What you can do!
Right, but is what they do good enough? I think so. If I can get my name out there and even if I only service 90% of the calls, that's a win win. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: Accurate propagation studies require a lot more than just submitting coordinates, heights and frequencies. You really can't just use some set of default numbers for all the parameters involved. You need antenna patterns, gains (on both ends), C/I values, noise figures, and a whole host of other info. This doesn't even include optimizing for clutter categories and elevations. If you don't have this, you might as well just draw circles as it would be about as useful. I spent a lot of years making good money doing just this for the cellular industry. They understood that designing a network incorrectly had dire financial consequences. We on the other hand seem to think of prop studies as an after thought. While I know that we have to go where the towers are and don't have the resources to build where we want to get an optimized network, we should still take it seriously and do it right when we decide to actually perform the study. Cameron On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls. Thought it would be appropriate here as well: One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to WISPA. Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the propagation patterns from all other members on it. WISPA would have benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to use themselves. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF
At 5/25/2012 01:03 PM, Matt wrote: Perhaps anyone accepting money from these funds should be required to wholesale there services at a discount such as dry loop dsl? They should also not be allowed to price under cut wholesalers for that to work? In fact, that *was* the rule. Or at least they had to wholesale the DSL, even if it was bundled with cheap POTS. When the FCC detariffed DSL in 2005, it was permissive, so the Bells could detariff while the subsidized rural ILECs stayed on tariff in order to maximize their USF. The new Connect America Fund rules make one major change -- they allow the ILEC to detariff DSL, offer it only as a retail information service, and still get subsidized. That's how they want to improve broadband availability. Gee, do you think any telco lobbyists were active in getting that passed? ;-) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Ubiquiti PicoStation M
On the advice of my vendor, I got a set of UBNT PicoStation Ms. For testing, I turned off AirMax, put the radio in Access Point mode and bridge network. When trying to connect various laptops to the radio, I get immediate failures. It doesn't matter if I give myself an address on my Wireless adapter or plug the radio into my network, which has a DHCP server, connections still fail. I have no security set for the test. Any suggestions? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PicoStation M
What's an immediate failure? I have a bunch of them in hotels with 100s of people every week. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net wrote: On the advice of my vendor, I got a set of UBNT PicoStation Ms. For testing, I turned off AirMax, put the radio in Access Point mode and bridge network. When trying to connect various laptops to the radio, I get immediate failures. It doesn’t matter if I give myself an address on my Wireless adapter or plug the radio into my network, which has a DHCP server, connections still fail. I have no security set for the test. Any suggestions? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PicoStation M
i would post this on the UBNT forum. make sure you are using firmware 5.3 or newer a diagram on how you have things setup would be very helpful. Thanks, On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.netwrote: On the advice of my vendor, I got a set of UBNT PicoStation Ms. For testing, I turned off AirMax, put the radio in Access Point mode and bridge network. When trying to connect various laptops to the radio, I get immediate failures. It doesn’t matter if I give myself an address on my Wireless adapter or plug the radio into my network, which has a DHCP server, connections still fail. I have no security set for the test. ** ** Any suggestions? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless