Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Scott Lambert]

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:03PM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote:
>  Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not
> saying it's ideal but it works.
 
27v at the ethernet port or 27v at the base of the tower?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Justin Wilson]

Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not saying
it's ideal but it works.

Justin

-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:25 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

>The forums and Matt Hardy I believe will back this up.  You'll fry at
>over 27 volts.
>
>Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:
>
>>Can you reveal your source?
>>
>>-Kristian
>>
>>On 10/17/2012 06:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>>>
>>> II was told NO!! <27VDC
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>>
>>> General Manager
>>>
>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi 
>>>
>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>
>>> *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
>>>
>>> Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves
 > wrote:
>>>
>>> Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
>>> the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
>>> the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo >> > wrote:
>>> > It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
>>> > I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the
>>> parallel
>>> > segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
>>> > installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this
>>will
>>> > work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the
>>battery
>>> > cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage
>>drop 
>>> from
>>> > 12v will be negligible
>>> >
>>> > So this is how it would be:
>>> > 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v
>>> batteries
>>> > connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the
>>> parallel
>>> > segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5),
>>rest 
>>> of the
>>> > load connected to the charge controller at 24v
>>> >
>>> > What do you think?
>>> >
>>> > - - -
>>> > Olufemi Adalemo
>>> > M: +234-803-5610040
>>> > M: +234-809-8610040
>>> > f...@adalemo.com 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
>>> mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew
>>> up then
>>> >> there was probably a short somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Kristian
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
>>> >> I will check though they swear that they did
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> - - -
>>> >> Olufemi Adalemo
>>> >> M: +234-803-5610040 
>>> >> M: +234-809-8610040 
>>> >> f...@adalemo.com 
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
>>> >> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v
>>but
>>> >>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin
>>> discharging.
>>> >>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected
>>> wrong, not
>>> >>> that the voltage was too high.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Josh Luthman
>>> >>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> >>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> >>> Suite 1337
>>> >>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo
>>> mailto:adal...@gmail.com>>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  What's your typical config for the NSM5?
>>>  Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank
>>(no
>>>  charger connected just battery) and it fried good
>>> 
>>>  - - -
>>>  Olufemi Adalemo
>>>  M: +234-803-5610040 
>>>  M: +234-809-8610040 
>>>  f...@adalemo.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
>>> mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>>
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running
>>at 
>>> 27.6V.
>>> > The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that
>>> won't power
>>> > on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into
>>overvoltage
>>> > protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
>>> >
>>> > -Kristian
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need
>>charged,
>>> > it's usually 27v.
>>> >
>>> > I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you
>>could
>>> > reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> > Direct: 937-552-234

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Matt Hoppes]

The forums and Matt Hardy I believe will back this up.  You'll fry at over 27 
volts.

Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:

>Can you reveal your source?
>
>-Kristian
>
>On 10/17/2012 06:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>>
>> II was told NO!! <27VDC
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>>
>> General Manager
>>
>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi 
>>
>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>
>> *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
>>
>> Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v?
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
>> the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
>> the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo > > wrote:
>> > It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
>> > I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the 
>> parallel
>> > segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
>> > installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this
>will
>> > work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the
>battery
>> > cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage
>drop 
>> from
>> > 12v will be negligible
>> >
>> > So this is how it would be:
>> > 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v 
>> batteries
>> > connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the 
>> parallel
>> > segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5),
>rest 
>> of the
>> > load connected to the charge controller at 24v
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > - - -
>> > Olufemi Adalemo
>> > M: +234-803-5610040
>> > M: +234-809-8610040
>> > f...@adalemo.com 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
>> mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew 
>> up then
>> >> there was probably a short somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> -Kristian
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
>> >> I will check though they swear that they did
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - - -
>> >> Olufemi Adalemo
>> >> M: +234-803-5610040 
>> >> M: +234-809-8610040 
>> >> f...@adalemo.com 
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
>> >> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v
>but
>> >>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin 
>> discharging.
>> >>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected 
>> wrong, not
>> >>> that the voltage was too high.
>> >>>
>> >>> Josh Luthman
>> >>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> >>> 1100 Wayne St
>> >>> Suite 1337
>> >>> Troy, OH 45373
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
>> mailto:adal...@gmail.com>>
>> >>> wrote:
>> 
>>  What's your typical config for the NSM5?
>>  Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank
>(no
>>  charger connected just battery) and it fried good
>> 
>>  - - -
>>  Olufemi Adalemo
>>  M: +234-803-5610040 
>>  M: +234-809-8610040 
>>  f...@adalemo.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
>> mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>>
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running
>at 
>> 27.6V.
>> > The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that 
>> won't power
>> > on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into
>overvoltage
>> > protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
>> >
>> > -Kristian
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> >
>> > Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need
>charged,
>> > it's usually 27v.
>> >
>> > I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you
>could
>> > reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340 
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
>> mailto:adal...@gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Aha, thanks
>> >> That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
>> >> I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out
>24v
>> >> regulated power
>> >>
>> >> - - -
>> >> Olufemi Adalemo
>> >> M: +234-803-5610040 

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

[Fred Goldstein]

At 10/17/2012 02:26 AM, Jeremy L. Gaddis wrote:
>* Fred Goldstein  wrote:
> > At 10/12/2012 10:23 AM, Tim Densmore wrote:
> > There's a real market gap not quite being filled by our usual WISP
> > vendors MT and UBNT.  MT has a new CPE router with SFP support.  This
> > would be great for a regional CE fiber network.  Let's say you have a
> > building (say, Town Hall) with multiple tenants in it, each with a
> > separate IP network (say, Town administration, Police, and School
> > Admin).  You'd want to be able to drop off one fiber with separate
> > VLANs (virtual circuits) for each network, isolating the traffic from
> > each other.  An MEF switch is cheaper than a real Cisco router but a
>
>I can't speak to Ubiquiti but Mikrotik RouterOS certainly supports MPLS
>and VPLS (and LDP and OSPF and BGP).
>
>The design you describe is exactly what the majority of the
>world is using MPLS VPNs for -- utilizing, of course, LDP and BGP (and
>occasionally OSPF between CE and PE).
>
>Unless I'm missing something...

You're missing something.

I was specifically asking about Carrier Ethernet.  It's a protocol. 
MPLS is a different protocol which, in the marketplace, largely 
competes with CE.  I know RouterOS supports MPLS.  But CE is different.

Disregarding that CE is much more multi-protocol in support than 
MultiProtocol Label Switching, whose multi protocols are, in general, 
IP and IP, CE semantics include explicit CIR and EIR support, along 
with CBS and EBS (burst size) specification, on a per-virtual-circuit 
basis.  MPLS does not have CIR semantics; it just assigns relative 
priorities, and is thus fiddly when offered traffic varies.

At large volumes (once you get past RouterOS into carrier-class 
products), CE is generally cheaper per bit than MPLS, at least if you 
don't buy Cisco, which pretty much owns MPLS (it's their creation).

Hamburgers are not chicken, even if both are often served for lunch.

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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Steve Barnes]

I believe it was Matt Hardy and Then was told the same when I went to AirMax 
Certification classes.

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:44 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

Can you reveal your source?

-Kristian
On 10/17/2012 06:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
II was told NO!! <27VDC

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v?

Greg
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
mailto:jree...@18-30chat.net>> wrote:
Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo 
mailto:adal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
> I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the parallel
> segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
> installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will
> work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery
> cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop from
> 12v will be negligible
>
> So this is how it would be:
> 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v batteries
> connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the parallel
> segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of the
> load connected to the charge controller at 24v
>
> What do you think?
>
> - - -
> Olufemi Adalemo
> M: +234-803-5610040
> M: +234-809-8610040
> f...@adalemo.com
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
> mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>>
> wrote:
>>
>> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up then
>> there was probably a short somewhere.
>>
>> -Kristian
>>
>>
>> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
>>
>> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
>> I will check though they swear that they did
>>
>>
>> - - -
>> Olufemi Adalemo
>> M: +234-803-5610040
>> M: +234-809-8610040
>> f...@adalemo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
>> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v but
>>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin discharging.
>>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected wrong, not
>>> that the voltage was too high.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
>>> mailto:adal...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:

 What's your typical config for the NSM5?
 Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
 charger connected just battery) and it fried good

 - - -
 Olufemi Adalemo
 M: +234-803-5610040
 M: +234-809-8610040
 f...@adalemo.com




 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
 mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>>
 wrote:
>
> We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at 27.6V.
> The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't power
> on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage
> protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged,
> it's usually 27v.
>
> I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could
> reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
> mailto:adal...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>>
>> Aha, thanks
>> That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
>> I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v
>> regulated power
>>
>> - - -
>> Olufemi Adalemo
>> M: +234-803-5610040
>> M: +234-809-8610040
>> f...@adalemo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman
>> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrot

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Can you reveal your source?

-Kristian

On 10/17/2012 06:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:


II was told NO!! <27VDC

Steve Barnes

General Manager

PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi 

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen

*Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v?

Greg

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves > wrote:


Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo > wrote:

> It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
> I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the 
parallel

> segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
> installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will
> work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery
> cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop 
from

> 12v will be negligible
>
> So this is how it would be:
> 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v 
batteries
> connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the 
parallel
> segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest 
of the

> load connected to the charge controller at 24v
>
> What do you think?
>
> - - -
> Olufemi Adalemo
> M: +234-803-5610040
> M: +234-809-8610040
> f...@adalemo.com 
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>>

> wrote:
>>
>> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew 
up then

>> there was probably a short somewhere.
>>
>> -Kristian
>>
>>
>> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
>>
>> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
>> I will check though they swear that they did
>>
>>
>> - - -
>> Olufemi Adalemo
>> M: +234-803-5610040 
>> M: +234-809-8610040 
>> f...@adalemo.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
>> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> 
wrote:

>>>
>>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v but
>>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin 
discharging.
>>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected 
wrong, not

>>> that the voltage was too high.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
mailto:adal...@gmail.com>>

>>> wrote:

 What's your typical config for the NSM5?
 Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
 charger connected just battery) and it fried good

 - - -
 Olufemi Adalemo
 M: +234-803-5610040 
 M: +234-809-8610040 
 f...@adalemo.com 




 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>>

 wrote:
>
> We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at 
27.6V.
> The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that 
won't power

> on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage
> protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged,
> it's usually 27v.
>
> I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could
> reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
mailto:adal...@gmail.com>>

> wrote:
>>
>> Aha, thanks
>> That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
>> I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v
>> regulated power
>>
>> - - -
>> Olufemi Adalemo
>> M: +234-803-5610040 
>> M: +234-809-8610040 
>> f...@adalemo.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman
>> > wrote:

>>>
>>> Yes you will.  The batteries will probably be around 27v which 
Ubnt
>>> won't like.  You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the 
batteries to 24v.

>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM, 

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Blair Davis]

  
  
The diode thing works fine IF you use the right diodes. 

For running a UBNT 24V device off a 24V battery floating on a
charger, try 4x 1n4001 dioeds in series.  will drop about 3V and
carry 1A

Works fine for me.

That set of diodes will only carry one UBNT radio.  Need a separate
set for each radio.


On 10/15/2012 4:38 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:

I tried that method.  Diode got hotter than hell.
   Burnt right through the insulation I covered it with (and since
  it was bent the jacket came right off).
  
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM,
  Jeromie Reeves 
  wrote:
  
Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the
+ side,
the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix

  
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo  wrote:
> It just dawned on me that I may have been barking
up the wrong tree
> I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook
this up to the parallel
> segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while
the rest of the
> installation that's connected in series gets 24v.
Do you think this will
> work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5
running down the battery
> cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so
the voltage drop from
> 12v will be negligible
>
> So this is how it would be:
> 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller
with 4 x 12v batteries
> connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable
connected to the parallel
> segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v
to the NSM5), rest of the
> load connected to the charge controller at 24v
>
> What do you think?
>
> - - -
> Olufemi Adalemo
> M: +234-803-5610040
> M: +234-809-8610040
> f...@adalemo.com
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann

> wrote:
>>
>> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm
on 7,8.  If it blew up then
>> there was probably a short somewhere.
>>
>> -Kristian
>>
>>
>> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
>>
>> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get
the polarity right
>> I will check though they swear that they did
>>
>>
>> - - -
>> Olufemi Adalemo
>> M: +234-803-5610040
>> M: +234-809-8610040
>> f...@adalemo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
>> 
wrote:
>>>
>>> What voltage were the batteries spitting
out?  They charge at 27v but
>>> without a charger put out much closer to
24v until they begin discharging.
>>> If it fried the radio I would first think
that it was connected wrong, not
>>> that the voltage was too high.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi
Adalemo 
>>> wrote:

 What's your typical config for the
NSM5?
 Some of my guys just tried to power one
off a 24v battery bank (no
 charger connected just battery) and it
fried good

 - - -
 Olufemi Adalemo
 M: +234-803-5610040
 M: +234-809-8610040
>>>

Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

[Cameron Crum]

Square is convenient, but expensive as far as those things go. And I'd bet
if you used it with a Euro based system, it would cost even more for the
conversion if it would even work. You might be better off negotiating a
deal with IP Pay or Pro Pay, or even Authorize.

Cameron

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

>  Not sure if this works in Europe. https://squareup.com/
>
>
> On 10/17/2012 07:55 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>
> Hi Mike
>
> I tried for a couple of months to work on the setup with them, then I
> guess they gave up :(
>
> Do you advice them? If so I will try again to find a solution directly
> with them...
>
> Thanky ou
>
>
>  I don't suppose IP Pay is available in Europe?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paolo Di Francesco"  
> 
> To: "Chuck Hogg"  
> Cc: "WISPA General List"  
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:33:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?
>
> Hi Chuck
>
> first of all thank you for your considerations.
>
> Unfortunately having a merchant account here (Europe) is not as easy as
> I thought. the thing is that all the times I went to a bank asking to
> start with the process they were telling me "why do you want this? your
> volumes are so low, stay with paypal..."
> But if I do not have a decent merchant account, how should I start
> accepting the money with credit cards? It sounds like a chicken-egg
> problem...
>
> At the same time I feel (not 100%) that something is going lost with
> paypal and that is stopping the business growing. I had issues with
> walled gardens and when I do the tests with the sandbox I have the
> feeling something is not working there. I know it's not the same system
> as the production one, but right now the sandbox is giving me a lot of
> issues...
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
>  Paolo:
>
> In dealing with European payments, it has been my experience that there
> are alternatives to Paypal, but they are not much better, if any at all.
>Google Checkout might be the best alternative.  I used to use AlertPay
> as well, but it got bought out by Payza.  Then there's moneybookers
> that's on it's way to being re-branded as Skrill.
>
> Here's one thing I came to realize.  If you are willing to pay the
> $25-50 per month to accept transactions, you are better off getting a
> full blown merchant account.  They are almost as easy to get accepted as
> Paypal without the hassles.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it> 
> > wrote:
>
>  Hi All
>
>  I am looking for a new "paypal" like system for European merchants. The
>  ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does
>  not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway.
>
>  I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I
>  think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee
>
>  Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I
>  wanted to see if there could be an alternative
>
>  Thank you
>
>  --
>
>
>  Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>
>  Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>
>  Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>
>  C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
>  Fax : +39-091-8772072 
>  assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 
>  web: http://www.level7.it
>
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Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

[Matt Jenkins]

  
  
Not sure if this works in Europe.

https://squareup.com/


On 10/17/2012 07:55 AM, Paolo Di
  Francesco wrote:


  Hi Mike

I tried for a couple of months to work on the setup with them, then I 
guess they gave up :(

Do you advice them? If so I will try again to find a solution directly 
with them...

Thanky ou


  
I don't suppose IP Pay is available in Europe?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
To: "Chuck Hogg" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:33:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

Hi Chuck

first of all thank you for your considerations.

Unfortunately having a merchant account here (Europe) is not as easy as
I thought. the thing is that all the times I went to a bank asking to
start with the process they were telling me "why do you want this? your
volumes are so low, stay with paypal..."
But if I do not have a decent merchant account, how should I start
accepting the money with credit cards? It sounds like a chicken-egg
problem...

At the same time I feel (not 100%) that something is going lost with
paypal and that is stopping the business growing. I had issues with
walled gardens and when I do the tests with the sandbox I have the
feeling something is not working there. I know it's not the same system
as the production one, but right now the sandbox is giving me a lot of
issues...

Thank you




  Paolo:

In dealing with European payments, it has been my experience that there
are alternatives to Paypal, but they are not much better, if any at all.
   Google Checkout might be the best alternative.  I used to use AlertPay
as well, but it got bought out by Payza.  Then there's moneybookers
that's on it's way to being re-branded as Skrill.

Here's one thing I came to realize.  If you are willing to pay the
$25-50 per month to accept transactions, you are better off getting a
full blown merchant account.  They are almost as easy to get accepted as
Paypal without the hassles.

Regards,
Chuck


On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
 wrote:

 Hi All

 I am looking for a new "paypal" like system for European merchants. The
 ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does
 not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway.

 I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I
 think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee

 Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I
 wanted to see if there could be an alternative

 Thank you

 --


 Ing. Paolo Di Francesco

 Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale

 Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo

 C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
 Fax : +39-091-8772072 
 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 
 web: http://www.level7.it



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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Drew Lentz]

Can I ask that you all please move this over to the UBNT list?

Thanks,

-d

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> I have this on my wall.  Never used it.  Nice to have.
> On Oct 17, 2012 11:32 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>>  This is an older document.. but it should help 
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, Fl 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>>
>> On 10/17/2012 10:59 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
>>
>> OK, I asked about the PS2 years back and I believe I was told 30v for
>> that.
>>
>>  Greg
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>>
>>>  II was told NO!! <27VDC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>>
>>> General Manager
>>>
>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
>>> the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
>>> the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo 
>>> wrote:
>>> > It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
>>> > I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the
>>> parallel
>>> > segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
>>> > installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this
>>> will
>>> > work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the
>>> battery
>>> > cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop
>>> from
>>> > 12v will be negligible
>>> >
>>> > So this is how it would be:
>>> > 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v
>>> batteries
>>> > connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the
>>> parallel
>>> > segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest
>>> of the
>>> > load connected to the charge controller at 24v
>>> >
>>> > What do you think?
>>> >
>>> > - - -
>>> > Olufemi Adalemo
>>> > M: +234-803-5610040
>>> > M: +234-809-8610040
>>> > f...@adalemo.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann <
>>> kh...@fire2wire.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up
>>> then
>>> >> there was probably a short somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Kristian
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
>>> >> I will check though they swear that they did
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> - - -
>>> >> Olufemi Adalemo
>>> >> M: +234-803-5610040
>>> >> M: +234-809-8610040
>>> >> f...@adalemo.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v but
>>> >>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin
>>> discharging.
>>> >>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected
>>> wrong, not
>>> >>> that the voltage was too high.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Josh Luthman
>>> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> >>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> >>> Suite 1337
>>> >>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  What's your typical config for the NSM5?
>>>  Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
>>>  charger connected just battery) and it fried good
>>> 
>>>  - - -
>>>  Olufemi Adalemo
>>>  M: +234-803-5610040
>>>  M: +234-809-8610040
>>>  f...@adalemo.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann <
>>> kh...@fire2wire.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at
>>> 27.6V.
>>> > The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that
>>> won't power
>>> > on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into
>>> overvoltage
>>> > protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
>>> >
>>> > -Kristian
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need
>>> charged,
>>> > it's usually 27v.
>>> >
>>> > I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could
>>> > reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 13

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Josh Luthman]

I have this on my wall.  Never used it.  Nice to have.
On Oct 17, 2012 11:32 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

>  This is an older document.. but it should help 
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>
> On 10/17/2012 10:59 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
>
> OK, I asked about the PS2 years back and I believe I was told 30v for
> that.
>
>  Greg
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>
>>  II was told NO!! <27VDC
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>>
>> General Manager
>>
>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
>>
>>
>>
>> Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v?
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
>> the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
>> the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo 
>> wrote:
>> > It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
>> > I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the
>> parallel
>> > segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
>> > installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will
>> > work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery
>> > cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop
>> from
>> > 12v will be negligible
>> >
>> > So this is how it would be:
>> > 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v
>> batteries
>> > connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the
>> parallel
>> > segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of
>> the
>> > load connected to the charge controller at 24v
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > - - -
>> > Olufemi Adalemo
>> > M: +234-803-5610040
>> > M: +234-809-8610040
>> > f...@adalemo.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann > >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up
>> then
>> >> there was probably a short somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> -Kristian
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
>> >> I will check though they swear that they did
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - - -
>> >> Olufemi Adalemo
>> >> M: +234-803-5610040
>> >> M: +234-809-8610040
>> >> f...@adalemo.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v but
>> >>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin
>> discharging.
>> >>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected
>> wrong, not
>> >>> that the voltage was too high.
>> >>>
>> >>> Josh Luthman
>> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >>> 1100 Wayne St
>> >>> Suite 1337
>> >>> Troy, OH 45373
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
>> >>> wrote:
>> 
>>  What's your typical config for the NSM5?
>>  Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
>>  charger connected just battery) and it fried good
>> 
>>  - - -
>>  Olufemi Adalemo
>>  M: +234-803-5610040
>>  M: +234-809-8610040
>>  f...@adalemo.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann <
>> kh...@fire2wire.com>
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at
>> 27.6V.
>> > The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that
>> won't power
>> > on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage
>> > protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
>> >
>> > -Kristian
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> >
>> > Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged,
>> > it's usually 27v.
>> >
>> > I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could
>> > reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo <
>> adal...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Aha, thanks
>> >> That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
>> >> I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v
>> >> regulated power
>> >>

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Jeromie Reeves]

That is odd.  I have no idea why it would get so hot unless the
current passing it was significant. This was a schottky or a power
diode right, not a zener? Most zeners will not take the current.

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Between the regulator and load.
>
> On Oct 15, 2012 5:01 PM, "Jeromie Reeves"  wrote:
>>
>> Where did you put that diode? I have done this and at the low power
>> that is needed they do not get noticeably warm at all.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > I tried that method.  Diode got hotter than hell.  Burnt right through
>> > the
>> > insulation I covered it with (and since it was bent the jacket came
>> > right
>> > off).
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
>> >> the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
>> >> the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
>> >> > I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the
>> >> > parallel
>> >> > segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
>> >> > installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this
>> >> > will
>> >> > work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the
>> >> > battery
>> >> > cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop
>> >> > from
>> >> > 12v will be negligible
>> >> >
>> >> > So this is how it would be:
>> >> > 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v
>> >> > batteries
>> >> > connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the
>> >> > parallel
>> >> > segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest
>> >> > of
>> >> > the
>> >> > load connected to the charge controller at 24v
>> >> >
>> >> > What do you think?
>> >> >
>> >> > - - -
>> >> > Olufemi Adalemo
>> >> > M: +234-803-5610040
>> >> > M: +234-809-8610040
>> >> > f...@adalemo.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
>> >> > 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up
>> >> >> then
>> >> >> there was probably a short somewhere.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Kristian
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
>> >> >> I will check though they swear that they did
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - - -
>> >> >> Olufemi Adalemo
>> >> >> M: +234-803-5610040
>> >> >> M: +234-809-8610040
>> >> >> f...@adalemo.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v
>> >> >>> but
>> >> >>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin
>> >> >>> discharging.
>> >> >>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected
>> >> >>> wrong,
>> >> >>> not
>> >> >>> that the voltage was too high.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Josh Luthman
>> >> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> >>> 1100 Wayne St
>> >> >>> Suite 1337
>> >> >>> Troy, OH 45373
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>  What's your typical config for the NSM5?
>> >>  Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
>> >>  charger connected just battery) and it fried good
>> >> 
>> >>  - - -
>> >>  Olufemi Adalemo
>> >>  M: +234-803-5610040
>> >>  M: +234-809-8610040
>> >>  f...@adalemo.com
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
>> >>  
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at
>> >> > 27.6V.
>> >> > The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that
>> >> > won't
>> >> > power
>> >> > on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into
>> >> > overvoltage
>> >> > protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Kristian
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need
>> >> > charged,
>> >> > it's usually 27v.
>> >> >
>> >> > I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you
>> >> > could
>> >> > reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
>> >> >
>> >> > Josh Luthman
>> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Greg Ihnen]

OK, I asked about the PS2 years back and I believe I was told 30v for that.

Greg

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

>  II was told NO!! <27VDC
>
> ** **
>
> Steve Barnes
>
> General Manager
>
> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
>
> ** **
>
> Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v?
>
> ** **
>
> Greg
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
> wrote:
>
> Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
> the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
> the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo 
> wrote:
> > It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
> > I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the parallel
> > segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
> > installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will
> > work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery
> > cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop from
> > 12v will be negligible
> >
> > So this is how it would be:
> > 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v batteries
> > connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the parallel
> > segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of
> the
> > load connected to the charge controller at 24v
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > - - -
> > Olufemi Adalemo
> > M: +234-803-5610040
> > M: +234-809-8610040
> > f...@adalemo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up
> then
> >> there was probably a short somewhere.
> >>
> >> -Kristian
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
> >>
> >> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
> >> I will check though they swear that they did
> >>
> >>
> >> - - -
> >> Olufemi Adalemo
> >> M: +234-803-5610040
> >> M: +234-809-8610040
> >> f...@adalemo.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v but
> >>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin
> discharging.
> >>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected wrong,
> not
> >>> that the voltage was too high.
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  What's your typical config for the NSM5?
>  Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
>  charger connected just battery) and it fried good
> 
>  - - -
>  Olufemi Adalemo
>  M: +234-803-5610040
>  M: +234-809-8610040
>  f...@adalemo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann <
> kh...@fire2wire.com>
>  wrote:
> >
> > We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at
> 27.6V.
> > The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't
> power
> > on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage
> > protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> >
> > On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >
> > Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged,
> > it's usually 27v.
> >
> > I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could
> > reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Aha, thanks
> >> That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
> >> I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v
> >> regulated power
> >>
> >> - - -
> >> Olufemi Adalemo
> >> M: +234-803-5610040
> >> M: +234-809-8610040
> >> f...@adalemo.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes you will.  The batteries will probably be around 27v which Ubnt
> >>> won't like.  You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the batteries
> to 24v.
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>

Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

Hi Mike

I tried for a couple of months to work on the setup with them, then I 
guess they gave up :(

Do you advice them? If so I will try again to find a solution directly 
with them...

Thanky ou

> I don't suppose IP Pay is available in Europe?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
> To: "Chuck Hogg" 
> Cc: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:33:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?
>
> Hi Chuck
>
> first of all thank you for your considerations.
>
> Unfortunately having a merchant account here (Europe) is not as easy as
> I thought. the thing is that all the times I went to a bank asking to
> start with the process they were telling me "why do you want this? your
> volumes are so low, stay with paypal..."
> But if I do not have a decent merchant account, how should I start
> accepting the money with credit cards? It sounds like a chicken-egg
> problem...
>
> At the same time I feel (not 100%) that something is going lost with
> paypal and that is stopping the business growing. I had issues with
> walled gardens and when I do the tests with the sandbox I have the
> feeling something is not working there. I know it's not the same system
> as the production one, but right now the sandbox is giving me a lot of
> issues...
>
> Thank you
>
>
>> Paolo:
>>
>> In dealing with European payments, it has been my experience that there
>> are alternatives to Paypal, but they are not much better, if any at all.
>>Google Checkout might be the best alternative.  I used to use AlertPay
>> as well, but it got bought out by Payza.  Then there's moneybookers
>> that's on it's way to being re-branded as Skrill.
>>
>> Here's one thing I came to realize.  If you are willing to pay the
>> $25-50 per month to accept transactions, you are better off getting a
>> full blown merchant account.  They are almost as easy to get accepted as
>> Paypal without the hassles.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
>> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All
>>
>>  I am looking for a new "paypal" like system for European merchants. The
>>  ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does
>>  not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway.
>>
>>  I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I
>>  think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee
>>
>>  Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I
>>  wanted to see if there could be an alternative
>>
>>  Thank you
>>
>>  --
>>
>>
>>  Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>
>>  Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>>
>>  Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>>
>>  C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
>>  Fax : +39-091-8772072 
>>  assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 
>>  web: http://www.level7.it
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

[Mike Hammett]

I don't suppose IP Pay is available in Europe?



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
To: "Chuck Hogg" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:33:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

Hi Chuck

first of all thank you for your considerations.

Unfortunately having a merchant account here (Europe) is not as easy as 
I thought. the thing is that all the times I went to a bank asking to 
start with the process they were telling me "why do you want this? your 
volumes are so low, stay with paypal..."
But if I do not have a decent merchant account, how should I start 
accepting the money with credit cards? It sounds like a chicken-egg 
problem...

At the same time I feel (not 100%) that something is going lost with 
paypal and that is stopping the business growing. I had issues with 
walled gardens and when I do the tests with the sandbox I have the 
feeling something is not working there. I know it's not the same system 
as the production one, but right now the sandbox is giving me a lot of 
issues...

Thank you


> Paolo:
>
> In dealing with European payments, it has been my experience that there
> are alternatives to Paypal, but they are not much better, if any at all.
>   Google Checkout might be the best alternative.  I used to use AlertPay
> as well, but it got bought out by Payza.  Then there's moneybookers
> that's on it's way to being re-branded as Skrill.
>
> Here's one thing I came to realize.  If you are willing to pay the
> $25-50 per month to accept transactions, you are better off getting a
> full blown merchant account.  They are almost as easy to get accepted as
> Paypal without the hassles.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I am looking for a new "paypal" like system for European merchants. The
> ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does
> not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway.
>
> I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I
> think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee
>
> Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I
> wanted to see if there could be an alternative
>
> Thank you
>
> --
>
>
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>
> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>
> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>
> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
> Fax : +39-091-8772072 
> assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 
> web: http://www.level7.it
>
>
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Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo

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Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

Hi Chuck

first of all thank you for your considerations.

Unfortunately having a merchant account here (Europe) is not as easy as 
I thought. the thing is that all the times I went to a bank asking to 
start with the process they were telling me "why do you want this? your 
volumes are so low, stay with paypal..."
But if I do not have a decent merchant account, how should I start 
accepting the money with credit cards? It sounds like a chicken-egg 
problem...

At the same time I feel (not 100%) that something is going lost with 
paypal and that is stopping the business growing. I had issues with 
walled gardens and when I do the tests with the sandbox I have the 
feeling something is not working there. I know it's not the same system 
as the production one, but right now the sandbox is giving me a lot of 
issues...

Thank you


> Paolo:
>
> In dealing with European payments, it has been my experience that there
> are alternatives to Paypal, but they are not much better, if any at all.
>   Google Checkout might be the best alternative.  I used to use AlertPay
> as well, but it got bought out by Payza.  Then there's moneybookers
> that's on it's way to being re-branded as Skrill.
>
> Here's one thing I came to realize.  If you are willing to pay the
> $25-50 per month to accept transactions, you are better off getting a
> full blown merchant account.  They are almost as easy to get accepted as
> Paypal without the hassles.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I am looking for a new "paypal" like system for European merchants. The
> ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does
> not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway.
>
> I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I
> think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee
>
> Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I
> wanted to see if there could be an alternative
>
> Thank you
>
> --
>
>
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>
> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>
> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>
> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
> Fax : +39-091-8772072 
> assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 
> web: http://www.level7.it
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Josh Luthman]

Most definitely not 30v.  I was warned and have it hammered down to not hit
27v or higher.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

>  II was told NO!! <27VDC
>
> ** **
>
> Steve Barnes
>
> General Manager
>
> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
>
> ** **
>
> Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v?
>
> ** **
>
> Greg
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
> wrote:
>
> Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
> the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
> the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo 
> wrote:
> > It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
> > I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the parallel
> > segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
> > installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will
> > work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery
> > cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop from
> > 12v will be negligible
> >
> > So this is how it would be:
> > 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v batteries
> > connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the parallel
> > segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of
> the
> > load connected to the charge controller at 24v
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > - - -
> > Olufemi Adalemo
> > M: +234-803-5610040
> > M: +234-809-8610040
> > f...@adalemo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up
> then
> >> there was probably a short somewhere.
> >>
> >> -Kristian
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
> >>
> >> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
> >> I will check though they swear that they did
> >>
> >>
> >> - - -
> >> Olufemi Adalemo
> >> M: +234-803-5610040
> >> M: +234-809-8610040
> >> f...@adalemo.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v but
> >>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin
> discharging.
> >>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected wrong,
> not
> >>> that the voltage was too high.
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  What's your typical config for the NSM5?
>  Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
>  charger connected just battery) and it fried good
> 
>  - - -
>  Olufemi Adalemo
>  M: +234-803-5610040
>  M: +234-809-8610040
>  f...@adalemo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann <
> kh...@fire2wire.com>
>  wrote:
> >
> > We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at
> 27.6V.
> > The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't
> power
> > on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage
> > protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> >
> > On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >
> > Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged,
> > it's usually 27v.
> >
> > I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could
> > reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Aha, thanks
> >> That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
> >> I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v
> >> regulated power
> >>
> >> - - -
> >> Olufemi Adalemo
> >> M: +234-803-5610040
> >> M: +234-809-8610040
> >> f...@adalemo.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes you will.  The batteries will probably be around 27v which Ubnt
> >>> won't like.  You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the batteries
> to 24v.
> >>>
> >>>

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Steve Barnes]

II was told NO!! <27VDC

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v?

Greg
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
mailto:jree...@18-30chat.net>> wrote:
Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo 
mailto:adal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
> I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the parallel
> segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
> installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will
> work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery
> cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop from
> 12v will be negligible
>
> So this is how it would be:
> 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v batteries
> connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the parallel
> segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of the
> load connected to the charge controller at 24v
>
> What do you think?
>
> - - -
> Olufemi Adalemo
> M: +234-803-5610040
> M: +234-809-8610040
> f...@adalemo.com
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
> mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>>
> wrote:
>>
>> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up then
>> there was probably a short somewhere.
>>
>> -Kristian
>>
>>
>> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
>>
>> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
>> I will check though they swear that they did
>>
>>
>> - - -
>> Olufemi Adalemo
>> M: +234-803-5610040
>> M: +234-809-8610040
>> f...@adalemo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
>> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v but
>>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin discharging.
>>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected wrong, not
>>> that the voltage was too high.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
>>> mailto:adal...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:

 What's your typical config for the NSM5?
 Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
 charger connected just battery) and it fried good

 - - -
 Olufemi Adalemo
 M: +234-803-5610040
 M: +234-809-8610040
 f...@adalemo.com




 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
 mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>>
 wrote:
>
> We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at 27.6V.
> The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't power
> on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage
> protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged,
> it's usually 27v.
>
> I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could
> reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
> mailto:adal...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>>
>> Aha, thanks
>> That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
>> I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v
>> regulated power
>>
>> - - -
>> Olufemi Adalemo
>> M: +234-803-5610040
>> M: +234-809-8610040
>> f...@adalemo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman
>> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes you will.  The batteries will probably be around 27v which Ubnt
>>> won't like.  You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the batteries to 24v.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
>>> mailto:adal...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:

 Need help,
 I'm looking to deploy a U

Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

[Chuck Hogg]

Paolo:

In dealing with European payments, it has been my experience that there are
alternatives to Paypal, but they are not much better, if any at all.
 Google Checkout might be the best alternative.  I used to use AlertPay as
well, but it got bought out by Payza.  Then there's moneybookers that's on
it's way to being re-branded as Skrill.

Here's one thing I came to realize.  If you are willing to pay the $25-50
per month to accept transactions, you are better off getting a full blown
merchant account.  They are almost as easy to get accepted as Paypal
without the hassles.

Regards,
Chuck


On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Paolo Di Francesco <
paolo.difrance...@level7.it> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I am looking for a new "paypal" like system for European merchants. The
> ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does
> not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway.
>
> I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I
> think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee
>
> Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I
> wanted to see if there could be an alternative
>
> Thank you
>
> --
>
>
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>
> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>
> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>
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> assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432
> web: http://www.level7.it
>
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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Greg Ihnen]

Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v?

Greg

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
> the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
> the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo 
> wrote:
> > It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
> > I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the parallel
> > segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
> > installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will
> > work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery
> > cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop from
> > 12v will be negligible
> >
> > So this is how it would be:
> > 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v batteries
> > connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the parallel
> > segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of
> the
> > load connected to the charge controller at 24v
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > - - -
> > Olufemi Adalemo
> > M: +234-803-5610040
> > M: +234-809-8610040
> > f...@adalemo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up
> then
> >> there was probably a short somewhere.
> >>
> >> -Kristian
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
> >>
> >> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
> >> I will check though they swear that they did
> >>
> >>
> >> - - -
> >> Olufemi Adalemo
> >> M: +234-803-5610040
> >> M: +234-809-8610040
> >> f...@adalemo.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v but
> >>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin
> discharging.
> >>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected wrong,
> not
> >>> that the voltage was too high.
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  What's your typical config for the NSM5?
>  Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
>  charger connected just battery) and it fried good
> 
>  - - -
>  Olufemi Adalemo
>  M: +234-803-5610040
>  M: +234-809-8610040
>  f...@adalemo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann <
> kh...@fire2wire.com>
>  wrote:
> >
> > We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at
> 27.6V.
> > The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't
> power
> > on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage
> > protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> >
> > On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >
> > Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged,
> > it's usually 27v.
> >
> > I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could
> > reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Aha, thanks
> >> That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
> >> I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v
> >> regulated power
> >>
> >> - - -
> >> Olufemi Adalemo
> >> M: +234-803-5610040
> >> M: +234-809-8610040
> >> f...@adalemo.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes you will.  The batteries will probably be around 27v which Ubnt
> >>> won't like.  You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the batteries
> to 24v.
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo <
> adal...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  Need help,
>  I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply.
>  Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that
> it
>  requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v,
> do I need a
>  DC to DC converter?
> 
>  Best regards,
>  - - -
>  Olufemi Adalemo
>  M: +

Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

[Mike Hammett]

Would Google Shopping\Checkout\Wallet, whateverit's called now work? I've never 
used it, but it seems to do a similar thing.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:22:50 AM
Subject: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

Hi All

I am looking for a new "paypal" like system for European merchants. The 
ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does 
not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway.

I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I 
think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee

Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I 
wanted to see if there could be an alternative

Thank you

-- 


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Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale

Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo

C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
Fax : +39-091-8772072
assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432
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[WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

[Paolo Di Francesco]

Hi All

I am looking for a new "paypal" like system for European merchants. The 
ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does 
not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway.

I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I 
think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee

Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I 
wanted to see if there could be an alternative

Thank you

-- 


Ing. Paolo Di Francesco

Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale

Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo

C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
Fax : +39-091-8772072
assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432
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