[WISPA] FCC revises 60 Ghz rules for more power
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Re: [WISPA] FCC revises 60 Ghz rules for more power
*nods* I read the article, but it was short on details and I was short on time to actually look up what they did. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: a...@afmug.com Cc: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:05:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] FCC revises 60 Ghz rules for more power http://www.fiercebroadbandwireless.com/story/fcc-changes-rules-57-64-ghz-band-enhance-wireless-backhaul/2013-08-09?utm_source=Twitterutm_medium=Editorutm_campaign=SocialMedia ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FCC revises 60 Ghz rules for more power
More tx power in relations to the beamwidth of the antenna….. Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC revises 60 Ghz rules for more power *nods* I read the article, but it was short on details and I was short on time to actually look up what they did. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: a...@afmug.commailto:a...@afmug.com Cc: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:05:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] FCC revises 60 Ghz rules for more power http://www.fiercebroadbandwireless.com/story/fcc-changes-rules-57-64-ghz-band-enhance-wireless-backhaul/2013-08-09?utm_source=Twitterutm_medium=Editorutm_campaign=SocialMedia ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FCC revises 60 Ghz rules for more power
Well right, but that doesn't really say much. I finally just went to the RO: In this Report and Order, we modify our rules to allow operation at higher power levels by 60 GHz unlicensed devices that use an antenna exceeding a specific gain and operate outdoors. Specifically, for 60 GHz devices located outdoors, we increase the average equivalent isotropically radiated power (EIRP) limit from 40 dBm to 82 dBm minus 2 dB for every dB that the antenna gain is below 51 dBi, and peak EIRP emission limit from 43 dBm to 85 dBm minus 2 dB for every dB that the antenna gain is below 51 dBi. Also, the amended rules will specify the emission limits for all 60 GHz devices in terms of equivalent isotropically radiated power (EIRP). These rule changes will provide needed flexibility to improve performance and provide cost savings for unlicensed devices to support broadband service in the 60 GHz band. These revisions also have the potential to foster the development of products with longer operating distances than are achievable under the current rules and to promote use of the 60 GHz band as a vehicle for broadband transmission links. This will encourage the development of very high speed wireless links for use in locations where highways, parking lots, or other obstructions may prevent the extension of fiber or wireline connections, to connect multiple buildings in a campus environment, or to provide backhaul connections for new 4G wireless services. Looking at Bridgewave's specs, a 2' is 46 dBi. So are we looking at 4' dishes to be over 51 dBi? If EIRP is going from 40 to 82 and the antenna is 6 of that, are we looking at 36 dB more out of the transmitter? That's a world of more power, unless I'm misunderstanding? If you thought aligning an airFiber was difficult... ;-) Most importantly, why are we just now hearing about this once the proceeding is over? It seems like there have been a few things happening at the FCC lately that we're not aware of until after it is over. Why is that? Is there some FCC listserv or RSS feed we should be watching? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:14:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC revises 60 Ghz rules for more power More tx power in relations to the beamwidth of the antenna….. Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC revises 60 Ghz rules for more power *nods* I read the article, but it was short on details and I was short on time to actually look up what they did. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: a...@afmug.com Cc: WISPA General List ( wireless@wispa.org ) wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:05:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] FCC revises 60 Ghz rules for more power http://www.fiercebroadbandwireless.com/story/fcc-changes-rules-57-64-ghz-band-enhance-wireless-backhaul/2013-08-09?utm_source=Twitterutm_medium=Editorutm_campaign=SocialMedia ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation
2 CPE,s NGL From: Josh Luthman Sent: Two CPE,s NGLFriday, August 09, 2013 7:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation CPEs or APs? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2013 10:52 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: Another question Can the last 2 CPE's be as follows: one is only 1 foot higher than the second but they are 5 foot apart horizontally Thanx again NGL From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation You're welcome, no problem! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:36 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: Thanx for your time, it helps a lot. NGL From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation Well 5 foot down is like 5.5 foot diagonal on a small tower, it wouldn't hurt to get the extra distance. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:23 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: Should the 5 feet be all vertical or can it be diagonal? NGL From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation Shoot for 5 feet or as much as you can, more frequency guard would be good. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2013 8:09 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: No they will be on 5725 and 5745 at least. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation If you mean to have Ubnt below it 10' on the same frequency with the same bearing, you're going to ruin any customers on that AP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:00 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: Every thing is a duplicate link side by side. NGL From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation Get as much as possible. Are they pointing the same direction or away? If they're different frequencies, I would be comfortable with 5 feet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:50 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: 10 foot is hard to get on a 65 foot tower, what is the minimum I can get away with? Thanx NGL From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation If the Tranzeo AP is at 5725 in 20 MHz you'll want to be 5745 (or farther, which is better) on the Ubnt. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:42 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: What do you mean by spectrum separation? NGL From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation Ideally 10 feet vertically. Assuming you have spectrum separation, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation
On the tower I don't think it would be too relevant, assuming the AP positions aren't problematic. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 10, 2013 11:59 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** 2 CPE,s NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Two CPE,s NGLFriday, August 09, 2013 7:54 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation CPEs or APs? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2013 10:52 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** Another question Can the last 2 CPE's be as follows: one is only 1 foot higher than the second but they are 5 foot apart horizontally Thanx again NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation You're welcome, no problem! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:36 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** Thanx for your time, it helps a lot. NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:32 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation Well 5 foot down is like 5.5 foot diagonal on a small tower, it wouldn't hurt to get the extra distance. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:23 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** Should the 5 feet be all vertical or can it be diagonal? NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:16 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation Shoot for 5 feet or as much as you can, more frequency guard would be good. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2013 8:09 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** No they will be on 5725 and 5745 at least. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:05 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation If you mean to have Ubnt below it 10' on the same frequency with the same bearing, you're going to ruin any customers on that AP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:00 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** Every thing is a duplicate link side by side. NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:52 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation Get as much as possible. Are they pointing the same direction or away? If they're different frequencies, I would be comfortable with 5 feet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:50 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** 10 foot is hard to get on a 65 foot tower, what is the minimum I can get away with? Thanx NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:46 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation If the Tranzeo AP is at 5725 in 20 MHz you'll want to be 5745 (or farther, which is better) on the Ubnt. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:42 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** What do you mean by spectrum separation? NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:38 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation Ideally 10 feet vertically. Assuming you have spectrum separation, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** We have the following setup: Tower 1 = Tranzeo TR-5 plus AP Tower 2 = Tranzeo TR-5 plus CPE + TR-5 plus AP Tower 3 = Tranzeo TR-5 plus CPE These have worked fine for several years, now we want to add a duplicate link using Nanobridges 5.8 instead of the Tranzeo TR-5 Plus gear. How much physical separation should we plan on between the Tranzeo units and the Nanobridges? Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation
6 feet is good, 10 feet is better Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 12:41 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** As far as the AP's I can get over 6 feet NGL *Sent:* Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:01 AM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation On the tower I don't think it would be too relevant, assuming the AP positions aren't problematic. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 10, 2013 11:59 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** 2 CPE,s NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Two CPE,s NGLFriday, August 09, 2013 7:54 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation CPEs or APs? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 9, 2013 10:52 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** Another question Can the last 2 CPE's be as follows: one is only 1 foot higher than the second but they are 5 foot apart horizontally Thanx again NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation You're welcome, no problem! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:36 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** Thanx for your time, it helps a lot. NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:32 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation Well 5 foot down is like 5.5 foot diagonal on a small tower, it wouldn't hurt to get the extra distance. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:23 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** Should the 5 feet be all vertical or can it be diagonal? NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:16 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation Shoot for 5 feet or as much as you can, more frequency guard would be good. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2013 8:09 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** No they will be on 5725 and 5745 at least. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:05 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation If you mean to have Ubnt below it 10' on the same frequency with the same bearing, you're going to ruin any customers on that AP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:00 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** Every thing is a duplicate link side by side. NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:52 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation Get as much as possible. Are they pointing the same direction or away? If they're different frequencies, I would be comfortable with 5 feet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:50 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** 10 foot is hard to get on a 65 foot tower, what is the minimum I can get away with? Thanx NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:46 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation If the Tranzeo AP is at 5725 in 20 MHz you'll want to be 5745 (or farther, which is better) on the Ubnt. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:42 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** What do you mean by spectrum separation? NGL *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:38 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Separation Ideally 10 feet vertically. Assuming you have spectrum separation, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** We have the following setup: Tower 1 = Tranzeo TR-5 plus AP Tower 2 = Tranzeo TR-5 plus CPE + TR-5 plus AP Tower 3 = Tranzeo TR-5 plus CPE These have worked fine for several years, now we want to add a duplicate link using Nanobridges 5.8 instead of the Tranzeo TR-5 Plus gear. How much physical separation should we plan on between the Tranzeo
