[WISPA] LP / Propane generators
While on my constant quest of trying to figure out my wonderful power situation, it made me think to look up LP/Propane generators. I found a pretty cool little RV one made by Cummins: http://goo.gl/ZSrscl Get one of these, drop it into a JOBOX or the alike, and problem solved! Off to go find the price for it... -Mike -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] LP / Propane generators
Those were kinda of pricey iirc Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:07 AM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: While on my constant quest of trying to figure out my wonderful power situation, it made me think to look up LP/Propane generators. I found a pretty cool little RV one made by Cummins: http://goo.gl/ZSrscl Get one of these, drop it into a JOBOX or the alike, and problem solved! Off to go find the price for it... -Mike -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] LP / Propane generators
Found the price. About $2450. Not too bad. Beats running up to the hill @ 1am to swap batteries and trying not to get the truck stuck in the mud... -Mike On Nov 20, 2013, at 2:29, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Those were kinda of pricey iirc Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:07 AM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: While on my constant quest of trying to figure out my wonderful power situation, it made me think to look up LP/Propane generators. I found a pretty cool little RV one made by Cummins: http://goo.gl/ZSrscl Get one of these, drop it into a JOBOX or the alike, and problem solved! Off to go find the price for it... -Mike -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] LP / Propane generators
IIRC, Generac , Brigs and Straton have a 7k LP Standby unit with Automatic Xfer Sw in the $1500-$1800 range Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Lyon Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LP / Propane generators Found the price. About $2450. Not too bad. Beats running up to the hill @ 1am to swap batteries and trying not to get the truck stuck in the mud... -Mike On Nov 20, 2013, at 2:29, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Those were kinda of pricey iirc Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:07 AM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: While on my constant quest of trying to figure out my wonderful power situation, it made me think to look up LP/Propane generators. I found a pretty cool little RV one made by Cummins: http://goo.gl/ZSrscl Get one of these, drop it into a JOBOX or the alike, and problem solved! Off to go find the price for it... -Mike -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
I never understood what the affection was with Wireless Orbit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:42:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? Use mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you write the code... its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and maintain it... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From : ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM To : j...@mvn.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject : Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up the system in my data center. There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about acquiring the business. We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM version to run the system for $1000.00. Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you have contact information for them? John Scrivner On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for years. Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. Who is using something they can recommend? Requirements: Work with Mikrotik hotspot. Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, login pages, etc. Handles various payment plans and time limits. Supports Authorize.net Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. Nice to haves: Can support auto login by MAC Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. Thanks Ralph ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
From what I know of Wireless Orbit (admittedly very little), it does what hotspot + WISPMon would do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:53:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider If I could code it, I would. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 19, 2013 6:42 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? Use mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you write the code... its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and maintain it... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From : ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM To : j...@mvn.net , WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject : Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up the system in my data center. There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about acquiring the business. We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM version to run the system for $1000.00. Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you have contact information for them? John Scrivner On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: blockquote We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for years. Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. Who is using something they can recommend? Requirements: Work with Mikrotik hotspot. Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, login pages, etc. Handles various payment plans and time limits. Supports Authorize.net Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. Nice to haves: Can support auto login by MAC Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. Thanks Ralph ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solat panels: series or parallel?
A couple more thoughts... 5a/24v load on 600w of panel... That puts you at 5 hours of full sun, per day, just to cover the load. Unless you are close to the equator, that doesn't leave much for increasing the charge on the batteries. If you go even a few days without full sun, it will take quite some time for the batteries to recover. If you do go ahead and add more panels, and switch to a mppt controller, I'd wire those in series as well, to 72v or 96v nominal. Most mppt controllers can handle 150v, but you don't want to get too close to that, as panel output can easily exceed their nominal rating. There are now mppts that can handle 600v, but I have no experience with those. Regarding tracking arrays, I wouldn't consider them unless space is at a huge premium, and the site is easily accessible for repair. You will almost certainly get a better bang for your buck by spending the money on additional panels, rather than trackers. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solat panels: series or parallel? Eric has the idea spot on, I'll follow up with what a lot of off-gridders around here in N. Nevada had tutored me on. That is the losses and controlling them. Number one with a bullet is loss from throwing electrons down wires.. You know it from poe losses and it's a 100 times worse in solar applications. The biggest gain through using serial panels is in reduction of current loss through the wires between the panels and to the charge controller. You would have to have monster wires to be as efficient as 3 amps down reasonably sized wires at 120 volts as 15 amps at 24. And as you go from the charge controller to the batteries and you eat away your 5 amps ( at 24 Volts? That is Big ) you still have 10 amps between the controller and your batteries. Get Very Large Cables, as large as the controller will accept. MPPT controllers are the ticket unless you have tracking arrays, in which case the guys here go back to pwm for better results. I haven't figured out why, they just show me the numbers that show it. MPPT controllers running in serial also have the advantage that you can mix and match your panels without losing the output of your large panels into the small ones.. Lastly we angle our panels in the winter to the lowest sun angles as that is when the transit is shortest and the need the greatest. Robert On 11/19/2013 09:18 PM, Eric Flanery wrote: I'd replace the controller with a mppt model, wire the panels in series (to 48v nominal), and leave the battery bank at 24v. Decoupling the panel voltage from the charging voltage let's you start charging a bit earlier, and keep charging a bit longer; plus mppt is a bit more efficient than pwm. Most importantly, it let's you double your panels (which is your best bet overall), without having to increase the gauge of your wiring. --Eric Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note(r) 3 Original message From: Mike Lyon Date:11/19/2013 8:29 PM (GMT-08:00) To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solat panels: series or parallel? And it has about a 5 amp load... On Nov 19, 2013, at 20:23, Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net wrote: You probably need more Sun, or less load. It sounds like you have it wired correctly. The panels should tilt south about the same angle as your Lattitude. Up here on the canadian border we are at 48 degrees lattitude so the panels tilt about 45 degrees. In the summer they lay flat. Gary On 11/19/2013 7:43 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i'm trying to figure out what i need more of, voltage or current? I have 2x, 300 watt, 24vdc panels. I currently have them wired in parallel to a Morningstar SS20L-24 which in turn is hooked up to 4 banks of 2x 12vdc deep cycle batteries (for a 24vdc system). I plan on replacing these batteries soon with UB4Ds or something similiar. What would be best to keep these beasts charged? The solar panels wired in series or parallel? Thanks, Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] LP / Propane generators
Just remember that propane stops flowing at -30F or thereabouts Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Lyon Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] LP / Propane generators While on my constant quest of trying to figure out my wonderful power situation, it made me think to look up LP/Propane generators. I found a pretty cool little RV one made by Cummins: http://goo.gl/ZSrscl Get one of these, drop it into a JOBOX or the alike, and problem solved! Off to go find the price for it... -Mike -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6830 - Release Date: 11/12/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] LP / Propane generators
+1000 On 11/20/2013 02:38 AM, Mike Lyon wrote: Found the price. About $2450. Not too bad. Beats running up to the hill @ 1am to swap batteries and trying not to get the truck stuck in the mud... -Mike On Nov 20, 2013, at 2:29, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Those were kinda of pricey iirc Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:07 AM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: While on my constant quest of trying to figure out my wonderful power situation, it made me think to look up LP/Propane generators. I found a pretty cool little RV one made by Cummins: http://goo.gl/ZSrscl Get one of these, drop it into a JOBOX or the alike, and problem solved! Off to go find the price for it... -Mike -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.com mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solat panels: series or parallel?
First off, thank you all for all of the wonderful input! Secondly, i went back and re-calc'd the load. It's actually 2.1 amps @ 24vdc (not 5 amps as i previously stated). What are the formulas (or websites) folks are using when sizing out solar systems? Thank You, Mike On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:18, Eric Flanery eflan...@fsr.com wrote: A couple more thoughts... 5a/24v load on 600w of panel... That puts you at 5 hours of full sun, per day, just to cover the load. Unless you are close to the equator, that doesn't leave much for increasing the charge on the batteries. If you go even a few days without full sun, it will take quite some time for the batteries to recover. If you do go ahead and add more panels, and switch to a mppt controller, I'd wire those in series as well, to 72v or 96v nominal. Most mppt controllers can handle 150v, but you don't want to get too close to that, as panel output can easily exceed their nominal rating. There are now mppts that can handle 600v, but I have no experience with those. Regarding tracking arrays, I wouldn't consider them unless space is at a huge premium, and the site is easily accessible for repair. You will almost certainly get a better bang for your buck by spending the money on additional panels, rather than trackers. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solat panels: series or parallel? Eric has the idea spot on, I'll follow up with what a lot of off-gridders around here in N. Nevada had tutored me on. That is the losses and controlling them. Number one with a bullet is loss from throwing electrons down wires.. You know it from poe losses and it's a 100 times worse in solar applications. The biggest gain through using serial panels is in reduction of current loss through the wires between the panels and to the charge controller. You would have to have monster wires to be as efficient as 3 amps down reasonably sized wires at 120 volts as 15 amps at 24. And as you go from the charge controller to the batteries and you eat away your 5 amps ( at 24 Volts? That is Big ) you still have 10 amps between the controller and your batteries. Get Very Large Cables, as large as the controller will accept. MPPT controllers are the ticket unless you have tracking arrays, in which case the guys here go back to pwm for better results. I haven't figured out why, they just show me the numbers that show it. MPPT controllers running in serial also have the advantage that you can mix and match your panels without losing the output of your large panels into the small ones.. Lastly we angle our panels in the winter to the lowest sun angles as that is when the transit is shortest and the need the greatest. Robert On 11/19/2013 09:18 PM, Eric Flanery wrote: I'd replace the controller with a mppt model, wire the panels in series (to 48v nominal), and leave the battery bank at 24v. Decoupling the panel voltage from the charging voltage let's you start charging a bit earlier, and keep charging a bit longer; plus mppt is a bit more efficient than pwm. Most importantly, it let's you double your panels (which is your best bet overall), without having to increase the gauge of your wiring. --Eric Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note(r) 3 Original message From: Mike Lyon Date:11/19/2013 8:29 PM (GMT-08:00) To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solat panels: series or parallel? And it has about a 5 amp load... On Nov 19, 2013, at 20:23, Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net wrote: You probably need more Sun, or less load. It sounds like you have it wired correctly. The panels should tilt south about the same angle as your Lattitude. Up here on the canadian border we are at 48 degrees lattitude so the panels tilt about 45 degrees. In the summer they lay flat. Gary On 11/19/2013 7:43 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i'm trying to figure out what i need more of, voltage or current? I have 2x, 300 watt, 24vdc panels. I currently have them wired in parallel to a Morningstar SS20L-24 which in turn is hooked up to 4 banks of 2x 12vdc deep cycle batteries (for a 24vdc system). I plan on replacing these batteries soon with UB4Ds or something similiar. What would be best to keep these beasts charged? The solar panels wired in series or parallel? Thanks, Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Any Comments Pro - Con Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! flag.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
On 11/20/2013 08:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: From what I know of Wireless Orbit (admittedly very little), it does what hotspot + WISPMon would do. Not sure about WISPMon capabilities here, but these types of software are ALL the same capabilities as a minimum requirement. 1. They provide a landing page for a new user to create a login/pass and process their payment for access 2. This information must be sent to the RADIUS server that allows the login to happen. (after payment is processed of course). 3. The page should either automatically log them in or send them back to the login page. Beyond those basic functions, which should be a minimum in each of them, there are other possible add-ons that make one better than the other. There are a number of options out there and you can pick which one best suits the needs of the network. For me, I like gatespot because it supports a number of useful features: 1. Unique landing page per hotspot (if you want) 2. Flexible in what type of information you collect from each customer 3. Runs on the same box as RADIUS server 4. Management for each hotspot There are other add-on features that I like, but these are the most useful for me personally. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solat panels: series or parallel?
2.1a is much more reasonable! But I would still suggest adding another panel (or two), switching to mppt, and stringing all the panels in series. Typically, we have an outside PE do the actual designs; but for rough estimating purposes, I like to go by these 'rules of thumb' (probably overkill for most applications): Maximum one hour of full sun to support one day's load. (total panel wattage = 24x total load wattage) Maximum of 10 days of full sun to fully recharge the battery bank from the LVD point. (total panel wattage = battery bank watt hours / 30, figuring 3 hours per day going to replenish batteries) Target runtime of 30 days to LVD with no charging. (battery bank watt hours = 720x total load wattage) For two DragonWave HCs, this led us to 8x 300 watt panels (in two parallel strings of four series panels each), and 24x 200 amp-hour batteries (in six parallel strings of four series batteries each). --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Lyon Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solat panels: series or parallel? First off, thank you all for all of the wonderful input! Secondly, i went back and re-calc'd the load. It's actually 2.1 amps @ 24vdc (not 5 amps as i previously stated). What are the formulas (or websites) folks are using when sizing out solar systems? Thank You, Mike On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:18, Eric Flanery eflan...@fsr.com wrote: A couple more thoughts... 5a/24v load on 600w of panel... That puts you at 5 hours of full sun, per day, just to cover the load. Unless you are close to the equator, that doesn't leave much for increasing the charge on the batteries. If you go even a few days without full sun, it will take quite some time for the batteries to recover. If you do go ahead and add more panels, and switch to a mppt controller, I'd wire those in series as well, to 72v or 96v nominal. Most mppt controllers can handle 150v, but you don't want to get too close to that, as panel output can easily exceed their nominal rating. There are now mppts that can handle 600v, but I have no experience with those. Regarding tracking arrays, I wouldn't consider them unless space is at a huge premium, and the site is easily accessible for repair. You will almost certainly get a better bang for your buck by spending the money on additional panels, rather than trackers. --Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solat panels: series or parallel? Eric has the idea spot on, I'll follow up with what a lot of off-gridders around here in N. Nevada had tutored me on. That is the losses and controlling them. Number one with a bullet is loss from throwing electrons down wires.. You know it from poe losses and it's a 100 times worse in solar applications. The biggest gain through using serial panels is in reduction of current loss through the wires between the panels and to the charge controller. You would have to have monster wires to be as efficient as 3 amps down reasonably sized wires at 120 volts as 15 amps at 24. And as you go from the charge controller to the batteries and you eat away your 5 amps ( at 24 Volts? That is Big ) you still have 10 amps between the controller and your batteries. Get Very Large Cables, as large as the controller will accept. MPPT controllers are the ticket unless you have tracking arrays, in which case the guys here go back to pwm for better results. I haven't figured out why, they just show me the numbers that show it. MPPT controllers running in serial also have the advantage that you can mix and match your panels without losing the output of your large panels into the small ones.. Lastly we angle our panels in the winter to the lowest sun angles as that is when the transit is shortest and the need the greatest. Robert On 11/19/2013 09:18 PM, Eric Flanery wrote: I'd replace the controller with a mppt model, wire the panels in series (to 48v nominal), and leave the battery bank at 24v. Decoupling the panel voltage from the charging voltage let's you start charging a bit earlier, and keep charging a bit longer; plus mppt is a bit more efficient than pwm. Most importantly, it let's you double your panels (which is your best bet overall), without having to increase the gauge of your wiring. --Eric Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note(r) 3 Original message From: Mike Lyon Date:11/19/2013 8:29 PM (GMT-08:00) To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solat panels: series or parallel? And it has about a 5 amp load... On Nov 19, 2013, at 20:23, Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net wrote: You probably need more Sun, or less load. It sounds like you
[WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?
We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources for refurb/used Juniper gear? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?
Hi Try http://www.terabitsystems.com/ RAN On 11/20/2013 11:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources for refurb/used Juniper gear? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?
Don't know about Juniper, but I've gotten Cisco and old Marconi gear from these guys... Steve Morrow Sales Manager Genesis Global Inc. --Network Equipment up to 99% off List Price! Nationwide Tel. - 1-800-908-9665, x105 International Tel. -- 1-916-415-9900, x105 International Fax - 1-916-415-0110 Email -- st...@gginetworks.com Website: http://www.genesisglobalinc.com AOL IM - GenesisGSteve On 11/20/2013 11:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources for refurb/used Juniper gear? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?
How old is that information?! It has an AIM account!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote: Don't know about Juniper, but I've gotten Cisco and old Marconi gear from these guys... Steve Morrow Sales Manager Genesis Global Inc. –Network Equipment up to 99% off List Price! Nationwide Tel. - 1-800-908-9665, x105 International Tel. – 1-916-415-9900, x105 International Fax - 1-916-415-0110 Email – st...@gginetworks.com Website: http://www.genesisglobalinc.com AOL IM - GenesisGSteve On 11/20/2013 11:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources for refurb/used Juniper gear? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?
Sig is from an email a week ago. Steve is old school I guess. -Kristian On 11/20/2013 11:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: How old is that information?! It has an AIM account!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Don't know about Juniper, but I've gotten Cisco and old Marconi gear from these guys... Steve Morrow Sales Manager Genesis Global Inc. --Network Equipment up to 99% off List Price! Nationwide Tel. - 1-800-908-9665, x105 tel:1-800-908-9665%2C%20x105 International Tel. -- 1-916-415-9900, x105 tel:1-916-415-9900%2C%20x105 International Fax - 1-916-415-0110 tel:1-916-415-0110 Email -- st...@gginetworks.com mailto:st...@gginetworks.com Website: http://www.genesisglobalinc.com AOL IM - GenesisGSteve On 11/20/2013 11:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources for refurb/used Juniper gear? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?
I thought AIM was shut down a while back? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote: Sig is from an email a week ago. Steve is old school I guess. -Kristian On 11/20/2013 11:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: How old is that information?! It has an AIM account!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote: Don't know about Juniper, but I've gotten Cisco and old Marconi gear from these guys... Steve Morrow Sales Manager Genesis Global Inc. –Network Equipment up to 99% off List Price! Nationwide Tel. - 1-800-908-9665, x105 1-800-908-9665%2C%20x105 International Tel. – 1-916-415-9900, x105 1-916-415-9900%2C%20x105 International Fax - 1-916-415-0110 Email – st...@gginetworks.com Website: http://www.genesisglobalinc.com AOL IM - GenesisGSteve On 11/20/2013 11:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources for refurb/used Juniper gear? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?
I still have one company that uses it every 5 min for in office IM Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper? I thought AIM was shut down a while back? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.commailto:kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Sig is from an email a week ago. Steve is old school I guess. -Kristian On 11/20/2013 11:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: How old is that information?! It has an AIM account!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.commailto:kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Don't know about Juniper, but I've gotten Cisco and old Marconi gear from these guys... Steve Morrow Sales Manager Genesis Global Inc. -Network Equipment up to 99% off List Price! Nationwide Tel. - 1-800-908-9665, x105tel:1-800-908-9665%2C%20x105 International Tel. - 1-916-415-9900, x105tel:1-916-415-9900%2C%20x105 International Fax - 1-916-415-0110tel:1-916-415-0110 Email - st...@gginetworks.commailto:st...@gginetworks.com Website: http://www.genesisglobalinc.com AOL IM - GenesisGSteve On 11/20/2013 11:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources for refurb/used Juniper gear? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?
False rumor and I helped it =( http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/03/aol-instant-messenger-is-not-shutting-down/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I still have one company that uses it every 5 min for in office IM *Steve Barnes* General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:55 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper? I thought AIM was shut down a while back? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Sig is from an email a week ago. Steve is old school I guess. -Kristian On 11/20/2013 11:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: How old is that information?! It has an AIM account!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Don't know about Juniper, but I've gotten Cisco and old Marconi gear from these guys... Steve Morrow Sales Manager Genesis Global Inc. –Network Equipment up to 99% off List Price! Nationwide Tel. - 1-800-908-9665, x105 International Tel. – 1-916-415-9900, x105 International Fax - 1-916-415-0110 Email – st...@gginetworks.com Website: http://www.genesisglobalinc.com AOL IM - GenesisGSteve On 11/20/2013 11:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources for refurb/used Juniper gear? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?
I'm still signed on from multiple devices to AIM, ICQ, YIM, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:55:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper? I thought AIM was shut down a while back? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Sig is from an email a week ago. Steve is old school I guess. -Kristian On 11/20/2013 11:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote How old is that information?! It has an AIM account!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: blockquote Don't know about Juniper, but I've gotten Cisco and old Marconi gear from these guys... Steve Morrow Sales Manager Genesis Global Inc. –Network Equipment up to 99% off List Price! Nationwide Tel. - 1-800-908-9665, x105 International Tel. – 1-916-415-9900, x105 International Fax - 1-916-415-0110 Email – st...@gginetworks.com Website: http://www.genesisglobalinc.com AOL IM - GenesisGSteve On 11/20/2013 11:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: blockquote We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources for refurb/used Juniper gear? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
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Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?
http://www.subspacecom.com/ On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources for refurb/used Juniper gear? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
I wasn't given a reason. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Can you share why Wireless Orbit is shutting down? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:26 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up the system in my data center. There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about acquiring the business. We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM version to run the system for $1000.00. Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you have contact information for them? John Scrivner On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for years. Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. Who is using something they can recommend? Requirements: Work with Mikrotik hotspot. Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, login pages, etc. Handles various payment plans and time limits. Supports Authorize.net Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. Nice to haves: Can support auto login by MAC Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. Thanks Ralph ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
Didn't we go through this with them already though. Lacks some important feature I can't remember. Maybe it was multiple, different payment plans for multiple different hotspots or something else. Perhaps it was not having MAC authentication for browserless devices that tied back to the user's main account and aggregated their bandwidth to not go over an allocated speed. I just can't remember. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:21 AM To: wireless@wispa.org; Eje Gustaffson Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider On 11/19/2013 05:42 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? Use mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you write the code... its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and maintain it... WISP-Router has a system for this purpose, too. Just runs on a linux server and handles both authentication and signup. Supports multiple payment backends. PLUS, WISP-Router is a vendor member of WISPA. The system is called Gatespot and can be found here: http://store.wisp-router.com/GateSpot I'm not sure, but he may have a hosted service as well. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider
Scott, maybe you are talking about some of these services that charge you per user and take a cut. That isn't what W.O. did or what we want, either. I do not mind paying someone a flat rate to handle my RADIUS requests, bandwidth control, and payments via my authorize.net account. I also do not mind BUYING a system to host in my data center. I am not a web designer or database designer though, so I won't be writing a system. We acquired another company who had a crude system with one rate plan that just used scripts to modify router ACLs. W.O. was way ahead of that. These are not just random hotspots in coffee shops, etc. It is the way the majority of my customers are processed. The entire wireless network, towers, mesh networks, etc. is handled like a giant hotspot. Are you interested in doing it? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a website Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up? Use mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server. Then you write the code... its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose. Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and maintain it... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 _ From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM To: j...@mvn.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there. Last week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up the system in my data center. There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about acquiring the business. We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM version to run the system for $1000.00. Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you have contact information for them? John Scrivner On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for years. Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks. Who is using something they can recommend? Requirements: Work with Mikrotik hotspot. Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings, login pages, etc. Handles various payment plans and time limits. Supports Authorize.net Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do. Nice to haves: Can support auto login by MAC Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account. Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use all 6 Mbps simultaneously.) MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking. Thanks Ralph ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless image001.jpg___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
