Re: [WISPA] remote employees

[Hass, Douglas A.]

Unfortunately, the lawyer didn't get that summary quite right.  Sadly, you 
CANNOT pay 1 chicken per hour, or other non-negotiable items, even if you and 
your employee agree to it!

Paying in chickens would violate both state minimum wage laws and the federal 
FLSA.  :)  The FLSA itself requires payment "in cash or negotiable instrument 
payable at par."  29 CFR 531.27(a) (though there are some exclusions for 
"board, lodging, or other facilities").  While you could potentially argue that 
the chickens represent board, lodging or other facilities, you're not going to 
be able to get away with calling a chicken a cash equivalent/negotiable 
instrument and paying your employees no cash.  Sorry!  The attorney was correct 
that "all overtime compensation must be paid in cash." 29 CFR 531.27(b).

I know that there has been some talk about bitcoin on this and the AFMUG list.  
It's still an open question whether bitcoin would be a "negotiable instrument." 
 I'd strongly recommend not paying your employees in bitcoin.

Remember that while federal law gives you some flexibility on the "cash 
equivalents" idea, your state's law might not.

Under the FLSA, damages get doubled, not tripled, though that's little 
consolation.  Perhaps the triple part that the attorney was talking about was a 
3-year lookback period on wages.  Your employee can go back 3 years form the 
date of the lawsuit and claim any unpaid wages or overtime during that time.  
That total can get doubled ("liquidated damages"), plus you have to pay 
pre-judgment interest and attorney fees.

If you had 10 employees working 15 extra minutes a day (say, answering e-mails 
on their lunch period or after hours), you will have racked up over $150,000 in 
potential back wage and overtime liability in just one year.  Don't mess with 
this stuff folks!  You're  rolling the dice with your business.

Doug


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] remote employees

+1 to this. I was party to a case where the employer was giving out stock 
options for overtime submitted during on-call time and other time.  Labor law 
goes for triple damages. [(amount not paid + interest + fines) * 3]

The lawyer summed up FLSA and overtime like this:

You can pay 1 chicken per hour if you wish. No US dollars needed. As long as 
your employee and you agree on this exchange.

If your employee works ANY overtime then you must pay normal overtime wages 
(1.5X normal pay). You MUST use US DOLLARS! If you were paying in chickens then 
the US Dollar equivalent would be a standard cost of a chicken in USD * 1.5.

ryan

 On 1/23/14 8:30 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:
On-call programs are one of the three most common areas (after independent 
contractor/employee misclassifications and salary/overtime issues) that tech 
companies, including WISPs, get tripped up on regularly.  It is possible, but 
certainly not guaranteed, that you can pay someone a lower "on call" rate or 
some flat rate for being "on call."  Remember that it does not matter AT ALL if 
you and your employee/contractor have agreed on how to handle 
pay/on-call/overtime.  If your pay plan violates state and federal law, you are 
still liable (BOTH personally AND as a business-no hiding behind the corporate 
veil here) and state and federal agencies can still audit and fine you, even if 
your employee doesn't care!

Speaking generally, under the federal Fair Labor Standards Act, they key issue 
in determining whether an employee is "working" while on call is whether the 
employee is "engaged to wait" or "waiting to be engaged." Generally speaking, 
if an employee is required to somewhere specific during certain hours and is 
not free to leave, then even if the employee spends the time sleeping or 
reading a magazine the time is considered work time. (There is an exception to 
this rule for employees with shifts of at least 24 hours - in that case, an 
employer can, by agreement with the employee, deduct no more than 8 hours for 
sleeping time.)

On the other hand, if an employee merely has to be available to respond to a 
call by cell phone, or to report to a worksite within a reasonable period of 
time, but is otherwise legitimately free to go about his or her personal 
activities, then the time will not be considered work time. Of course, any time 
spent actually responding to calls that do come in would be considered work 
time and would have to be compensated as such.

Exactly where this line is drawn can be fuzzy. For example, if an employee is 
expected to report to work within 15 minutes of receiving an emergency call, 
that short response time may severely limit the employee's ability to go about 
his or her personal activities, and may result in the on-call time being 
considered work time. Exactly how long the response time would need to be, 
however, will depend upon various 

Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

[Jim Patient]

We have been using the Primus C5CMXT-416BK for a few years now and
haven't had an issue with it yet.  It's $165 per box.  Shielded, direct
burial, with internal rubber jacket around the conductors.

 

 

Jim Patient

Office: 314-735-0270

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linktechs.net  

wlan1.com   
 

 

 

 

 

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Behalf Of heith petersen
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

 

Just looking for what others are using for boxed cable shielded that
simple or easy for customer installs. We use a certain cable now, buts
on rolls, which is ideal for towers, but a pain in the ass for installs.
I heard UBNT stuff is better, but the partners are upset from the BS
from earlier go arounds

 

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Re: [WISPA] remote employees

[D. Ryan Spott]

+1 to this. I was party to a case where the employer was giving out 
stock options for overtime submitted during on-call time and other 
time.  Labor law goes for triple damages. [(amount not paid + interest + 
fines) * 3]


The lawyer summed up FLSA and overtime like this:

You can pay 1 chicken per hour if you wish. No US dollars needed. As 
long as your employee and you agree on this exchange.


If your employee works ANY overtime then you must pay normal overtime 
wages (1.5X normal pay). You MUST use US DOLLARS! If you were paying in 
chickens then the US Dollar equivalent would be a standard cost of a 
chicken in USD * 1.5.


ryan

 On 1/23/14 8:30 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:


On-call programs are one of the three most common areas (after 
independent contractor/employee misclassifications and salary/overtime 
issues) that tech companies, including WISPs, get tripped up on 
regularly.  It is possible, but certainly not guaranteed, that you can 
pay someone a lower "on call" rate or some flat rate for being "on 
call." */_Remember that it does not matter AT ALL if you and your 
employee/contractor have agreed on how to handle 
pay/on-call/overtime_/*.  If your pay plan violates state and federal 
law, you are still liable (BOTH personally AND as a business---no 
hiding behind the corporate veil here) and state and federal agencies 
can still audit and fine you, even if your employee doesn't care!


Speaking generally, under the federal Fair Labor Standards Act, they 
key issue in determining whether an employee is "working" while on 
call is whether the employee is "engaged to wait" or "waiting to be 
engaged." Generally speaking, if an employee is required to somewhere 
specific during certain hours and is not free to leave, then even if 
the employee spends the time sleeping or reading a magazine the time 
is considered work time. (There is an exception to this rule for 
employees with shifts of at least 24 hours - in that case, an employer 
can, by agreement with the employee, deduct no more than 8 hours for 
sleeping time.)


On the other hand, if an employee merely has to be available to 
respond to a call by cell phone, or to report to a worksite within a 
/reasonable/ period of time, but is otherwise _legitimately_ free to 
go about his or her personal activities, then the time will not be 
considered work time. Of course, any time spent actually responding to 
calls that do come in would be considered work time and would have to 
be compensated as such.


Exactly where this line is drawn can be fuzzy. For example, if an 
employee is expected to report to work within 15 minutes of receiving 
an emergency call, that short response time may severely limit the 
employee's ability to go about his or her personal activities, and may 
result in the on-call time being considered work time. Exactly how 
long the response time would need to be, however, will depend upon 
various factors such as location and commuting distances.


Please make sure that you've had someone review your on-call program, 
along with any "contractor" relationships or salary pay plans you 
have.  If you don't have a written legal opinion, please get one.  
Even small errors here can add up quickly and result in massive 
liability for your WISP.


Doug


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*On Behalf Of *James Howard

Re: [WISPA] remote employees

[Hass, Douglas A.]

On-call programs are one of the three most common areas (after independent 
contractor/employee misclassifications and salary/overtime issues) that tech 
companies, including WISPs, get tripped up on regularly.  It is possible, but 
certainly not guaranteed, that you can pay someone a lower “on call” rate or 
some flat rate for being “on call.”  Remember that it does not matter AT ALL if 
you and your employee/contractor have agreed on how to handle 
pay/on-call/overtime.  If your pay plan violates state and federal law, you are 
still liable (BOTH personally AND as a business—no hiding behind the corporate 
veil here) and state and federal agencies can still audit and fine you, even if 
your employee doesn’t care!

Speaking generally, under the federal Fair Labor Standards Act, they key issue 
in determining whether an employee is "working" while on call is whether the 
employee is "engaged to wait" or "waiting to be engaged." Generally speaking, 
if an employee is required to somewhere specific during certain hours and is 
not free to leave, then even if the employee spends the time sleeping or 
reading a magazine the time is considered work time. (There is an exception to 
this rule for employees with shifts of at least 24 hours - in that case, an 
employer can, by agreement with the employee, deduct no more than 8 hours for 
sleeping time.)

On the other hand, if an employee merely has to be available to respond to a 
call by cell phone, or to report to a worksite within a reasonable period of 
time, but is otherwise legitimately free to go about his or her personal 
activities, then the time will not be considered work time. Of course, any time 
spent actually responding to calls that do come in would be considered work 
time and would have to be compensated as such.

Exactly where this line is drawn can be fuzzy. For example, if an employee is 
expected to report to work within 15 minutes of receiving an emergency call, 
that short response time may severely limit the employee's ability to go about 
his or her personal activities, and may result in the on-call time being 
considered work time. Exactly how long the response time would need to be, 
however, will depend upon various factors such as location and commuting 
distances.

Please make sure that you’ve had someone review your on-call program, along 
with any “contractor” relationships or salary pay plans you have.  If you don’t 
have a written legal opinion, please get one.  Even small errors here can add 
up quickly and result in massive liability for your WISP.

Doug



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of James Howard
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] remote employees

We have a somewhat similar situation.  One of our CSRs moved to Texas (actually 
moved back since was originally from Texas) last year.  We cover our 
after-hours and weekend support through a rotating schedule of all employees 
who want to participate in it (on-call is paid separate from “work” pay).  We 
didn’t keep her as an employee when she moved but wrote a contract with her to 
continue to cover the after-hour shifts that she was covering before she moved. 
 We pay her a set rate per shift whether she gets any calls or not (just like 
we do with our employees who cover any of the after-hour shifts).  We give her 
VPN access to our systems but she has to provide her own equipment to connect 
and her own phone line to call customers.   Just 

Re: [WISPA] was remote employees..now weekend coverage

[Martha Huizenga]

James,

Love to hear more about how you are doing this: "...weekend support 
through a rotating schedule of all employees who want to participate in 
it (on-call is paid separate from "work" pay)"


Thanks

Martha

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On 1/23/2014 9:56 AM, James Howard wrote:


We have a somewhat similar situation.  One of our CSRs moved to Texas 
(actually moved back since was originally from Texas) last year.  We 
cover our after-hours and weekend support through a rotating schedule 
of all employees who want to participate in it (on-call is paid 
separate from "work" pay).  We didn't keep her as an employee when she 
moved but wrote a contract with her to continue to cover the 
after-hour shifts that she was covering before she moved. We pay her a 
set rate per shift whether she gets any calls or not (just like we do 
with our employees who cover any of the after-hour shifts).  We give 
her VPN access to our systems but she has to provide her own equipment 
to connect and her own phone line to call customers.   Just make sure 
that if you make them a "contractor" that they actually fit under that 
definition and it doesn't come back to bite you later on.  Either way 
(employee vs contractor) you still have no guarantee that the person 
isn't going to sit and play games all day do you?  Do you have that 
guarantee when he was sitting at your office?  If I was having a 
person answer live calls (we just have her do call backs for 
after-hours support) I would provide a VoIP phone connected to our 
asterisk PBX though.


James Howard

LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *heith petersen

*Sent:* Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:27 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] remote employees

I have a tech who does real light field work, who mostly works at a 
desk in my office. He usually handles the customer BS, like phone tech 
support above what we let our held desk handle, as well as radio 
configuration and updates and support to my field techs. Due to recent 
personal issues he is moving 4 hours away. We figure, since he doesn't 
have a job yet and can get good high speed service, we might try to do 
a gig with us remotely. I would tunnel him into the net, access to 
billing, and a VoIP phone to our system, basically use him just like I 
do now, just no physical presence.


Anyone else doing this or have past experience with this? If so, was 
it positive or total nightmare? We are trying to figure out how to 
base compensation. Right now he is hourly, I can see time tracking 
could be a pain. In reality he could just sit there and play solitaire 
all day if I don't have any calls for him or any network upgrades.


Anyways I appreciate your thoughts. I lean on him pretty hard to take 
care of BS that I shouldn't have to deal with. Without him I see some 
pretty long days ahead. And I cant afford to keep a field tech in the 
office, though I have a guy that would rather sit on ass and talk to 
customers as opposed to doing field work.


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Re: [WISPA] remote employees

[James Howard]

We have a somewhat similar situation.  One of our CSRs moved to Texas (actually 
moved back since was originally from Texas) last year.  We cover our 
after-hours and weekend support through a rotating schedule of all employees 
who want to participate in it (on-call is paid separate from “work” pay).  We 
didn’t keep her as an employee when she moved but wrote a contract with her to 
continue to cover the after-hour shifts that she was covering before she moved. 
 We pay her a set rate per shift whether she gets any calls or not (just like 
we do with our employees who cover any of the after-hour shifts).  We give her 
VPN access to our systems but she has to provide her own equipment to connect 
and her own phone line to call customers.   Just make sure that if you make 
them a “contractor” that they actually fit under that definition and it doesn’t 
come back to bite you later on.  Either way (employee vs contractor) you still 
have no guarantee that the person isn’t going to sit and play games all day do 
you?  Do you have that guarantee when he was sitting at your office?  If I was 
having a person answer live calls (we just have her do call backs for 
after-hours support) I would provide a VoIP phone connected to our asterisk PBX 
though.


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LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.



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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:27 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] remote employees

I have a tech who does real light field work, who mostly works at a desk in my 
office. He usually handles the customer BS, like phone tech support above what 
we let our held desk handle, as well as radio configuration and updates and 
support to my field techs. Due to recent personal issues he is moving 4 hours 
away. We figure, since he doesn’t have a job yet and can get good high speed 
service, we might try to do a gig with us remotely. I would tunnel him into the 
net, access to billing, and a VoIP phone to our system, basically use him just 
like I do now, just no physical presence.

Anyone else doing this or have past experience with this? If so, was it 
positive or total nightmare? We are trying to figure out how to base 
compensation. Right now he is hourly, I can see time tracking could be a pain. 
In reality he could just sit there and play solitaire all day if I don’t have 
any calls for him or any network upgrades.

Anyways I appreciate your thoughts. I lean on him pretty hard to take care of 
BS that I shouldn’t have to deal with. Without him I see some pretty long days 
ahead. And I cant afford to keep a field tech in the office, though I have a 
guy that would rather sit on ass and talk to customers as opposed to doing 
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Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

[Andy Trimmell]

I've blown out countless Mikrotik boards without shielded cable. 

 

I use Primus or Apex9 shielded cable and I get them from Tiffany Jones @ CTI. 
Primus is my first choice though.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of heith petersen
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

 

Fair enough

 

From: Scott Reed   

Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:10 AM

To: WISPA General List   

Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

 

We do not use UBNT, so I can not help you with that.

On 1/23/2014 9:02 AM, heith petersen wrote:

Are you using the unshielded for UBNT installs? I have started to to 
avoid radio defaulting due to crap cable install. Well, I havent seen the 
cables myself but they were unshielded and may have taken a surge of sorts.

 

From: Scott Reed   

Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:31 AM

To: WISPA General List   

Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

 

Shireen, unshield, no gel for installations.
Shireen, shielded, no gel for towers.

On 1/22/2014 9:20 PM, timothy steele wrote:

I've used shireen cable I will +1 that's good cable.. I've also 
heard of guys making there own reusable spindle holder box so you can use same 
cable for towers and installs so there is that option 

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On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

UBNT toughcable pro/carrier and/or Shireen is all we use

Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
:: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::

On 01/22/2014 04:30 PM, heith petersen wrote:

Just looking for what others are using for 
boxed cable shielded that simple or easy for customer installs. We use a 
certain cable now, buts on rolls, which is ideal for towers, but a pain in the 
ass for installs. I heard UBNT stuff is better, but the partners are upset from 
the BS from earlier go arounds

 

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Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

[heith petersen]

Fair enough

From: Scott Reed 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:10 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

We do not use UBNT, so I can not help you with that.


On 1/23/2014 9:02 AM, heith petersen wrote:

  Are you using the unshielded for UBNT installs? I have started to to avoid 
radio defaulting due to crap cable install. Well, I havent seen the cables 
myself but they were unshielded and may have taken a surge of sorts.

  From: Scott Reed 
  Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:31 AM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

  Shireen, unshield, no gel for installations.
  Shireen, shielded, no gel for towers.


  On 1/22/2014 9:20 PM, timothy steele wrote:

I've used shireen cable I will +1 that's good cable.. I've also heard of 
guys making there own reusable spindle holder box so you can use same cable for 
towers and installs so there is that option 
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On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:


  UBNT toughcable pro/carrier and/or Shireen is all we use


  Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
  :: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::


  On 01/22/2014 04:30 PM, heith petersen wrote:

Just looking for what others are using for boxed cable shielded that 
simple or easy for customer installs. We use a certain cable now, buts on 
rolls, which is ideal for towers, but a pain in the ass for installs. I heard 
UBNT stuff is better, but the partners are upset from the BS from earlier go 
arounds

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

[Scott Reed]

We do not use UBNT, so I can not help you with that.

On 1/23/2014 9:02 AM, heith petersen wrote:
Are you using the unshielded for UBNT installs? I have started to to 
avoid radio defaulting due to crap cable install. Well, I havent seen 
the cables myself but they were unshielded and may have taken a surge 
of sorts.

*From:* Scott Reed 
*Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:31 AM
*To:* WISPA General List 
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box
Shireen, unshield, no gel for installations.
Shireen, shielded, no gel for towers.

On 1/22/2014 9:20 PM, timothy steele wrote:
I've used shireen cable I will +1 that's good cable.. I've also heard 
of guys making there own reusable spindle holder box so you can use 
same cable for towers and installs so there is that option

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On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


UBNT toughcable pro/carrier and/or Shireen is all we use

Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
:: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::

On 01/22/2014 04:30 PM, heith petersen wrote:

Just looking for what others are using for boxed cable shielded
that simple or easy for customer installs. We use a certain
cable now, buts on rolls, which is ideal for towers, but a pain
in the ass for installs. I heard UBNT stuff is better, but the
partners are upset from the BS from earlier go arounds
thanks
heith


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Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

[Steve Barnes]

Scott does not have the same issues due to using Mikrotik in mostly metal 
cases.  The ESD of Plastic cases makes it so that you need the drain wire to 
protect the ports.

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCSWIN.com
Howard LLC.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of heith petersen
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

Are you using the unshielded for UBNT installs? I have started to to avoid 
radio defaulting due to crap cable install. Well, I havent seen the cables 
myself but they were unshielded and may have taken a surge of sorts.

From: Scott Reed
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

Shireen, unshield, no gel for installations.
Shireen, shielded, no gel for towers.
On 1/22/2014 9:20 PM, timothy steele wrote:
I've used shireen cable I will +1 that's good cable.. I've also heard of guys 
making there own reusable spindle holder box so you can use same cable for 
towers and installs so there is that option
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On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
UBNT toughcable pro/carrier and/or Shireen is all we use
Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
:: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::
On 01/22/2014 04:30 PM, heith petersen wrote:
Just looking for what others are using for boxed cable shielded that simple or 
easy for customer installs. We use a certain cable now, buts on rolls, which is 
ideal for towers, but a pain in the ass for installs. I heard UBNT stuff is 
better, but the partners are upset from the BS from earlier go arounds

thanks
heith




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Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

[heith petersen]

Are you using the unshielded for UBNT installs? I have started to to avoid 
radio defaulting due to crap cable install. Well, I havent seen the cables 
myself but they were unshielded and may have taken a surge of sorts.

From: Scott Reed 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:31 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

Shireen, unshield, no gel for installations.
Shireen, shielded, no gel for towers.


On 1/22/2014 9:20 PM, timothy steele wrote:

  I've used shireen cable I will +1 that's good cable.. I've also heard of guys 
making there own reusable spindle holder box so you can use same cable for 
towers and installs so there is that option 
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  On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:


UBNT toughcable pro/carrier and/or Shireen is all we use


Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
:: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::


On 01/22/2014 04:30 PM, heith petersen wrote:

  Just looking for what others are using for boxed cable shielded that 
simple or easy for customer installs. We use a certain cable now, buts on 
rolls, which is ideal for towers, but a pain in the ass for installs. I heard 
UBNT stuff is better, but the partners are upset from the BS from earlier go 
arounds

  thanks
  heith


   

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Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

[Scott Reed]

Shireen, unshield, no gel for installations.
Shireen, shielded, no gel for towers.

On 1/22/2014 9:20 PM, timothy steele wrote:
I've used shireen cable I will +1 that's good cable.. I've also heard 
of guys making there own reusable spindle holder box so you can use 
same cable for towers and installs so there is that option

—
Sent from Mailbox  for iPhone


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


UBNT toughcable pro/carrier and/or Shireen is all we use

Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
:: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::

On 01/22/2014 04:30 PM, heith petersen wrote:

Just looking for what others are using for boxed cable shielded
that simple or easy for customer installs. We use a certain cable
now, buts on rolls, which is ideal for towers, but a pain in the
ass for installs. I heard UBNT stuff is better, but the partners
are upset from the BS from earlier go arounds
thanks
heith


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