[WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Drew Lentz
I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9 I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support and those that don't support the Title II argument. I've been trying to get a good feel for who would and wouldn't like

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Mike Hammett
I can't imagine why anyone other than a blind consumer would love it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19,

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Sam Tetherow
I'm guessing that while the phone companies may not like the idea it seems a little less onerous to them since they are already dealing with Title II. If nothing else it will weed out the smaller competition in their eyes. While the cable companies or more strongly in the hate it camp I

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Tim Way
Here is my confusion on this issue. Everyone is acting like it is the great harbinger for Internet companies. One of the biggest problems I have is lack of clear information. I'm not saying I have any of those answers for certainty but I will point a few things I have picked up meanwhile donning

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Reed
Have you looked at the real cost involved in providing all of the reporting you are going to have to do? Fundamental difference of opinion on, Also this is fundamentally good for rural Americans. Regulation seldom makes it better for the consumer in the long run. Just higher cost; as you

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Fred Goldstein
On 11/19/2014 8:49 AM, Drew Lentz wrote: I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9 I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support and those that don't support the Title II argument. I've been trying to

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Sam Tetherow
The 16% fee may not be enough to cover the reporting costs. This is why I said depending on how the rules shake out, since this is all still up in the air as to what out of Title II would actually be applied to broadband. It is possible that we could get all of the reporting requirements and

[WISPA] Trick or Treat?

2014-11-19 Thread Robert
Just got a Zayo warning Note the two differing impacts they were separated by one line in the notice...Well zayo, what is it going to be...LOL Reason for Maintenance: Zayo power contractors will perform circuit breaker upgrade Expected Impact: PSA - High (Possibly Service

Re: [WISPA] Trick or Treat?

2014-11-19 Thread Adair Winter
Every maintenance notice they send is like this. it makes no sense. On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com wrote: Just got a Zayo warning Note the two differing impacts they were separated by one line in the notice...Well zayo, what is it going to be...

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Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Sean Heskett
Title II is designed to breakup monopolies (i.e. Railroads, MaBell, Electric, Gas etc.) everyone acts like it is the Holy Grail of free market capitalism to have the government step in and regulate everything your company wants to do. /scarcasm I'm not a monopoly...I have done nothing to deserve

Re: [WISPA] Trick or Treat?

2014-11-19 Thread Robert Andrews
They sent me a reply of why it's like that CYA... On 11/19/2014 08:52 AM, Adair Winter wrote: Every maintenance notice they send is like this. it makes no sense. On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com wrote: Just got a

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Robert Andrews
Net Neutrality is the magician waving his hands so we all look at that while the real magic is the mergers that make it all moot... Everybody, watch the hand...Don't watch the other one that is reaching into your back pocket...Mergers are good for politicians... Bigger companies

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Sean Heskett
also title II regulations are why an OC3 at 150Mbps costs 100 times as much as 150Mbps metro ethernet. Ethernet is unregulated, OC3 is part of the whole terrified crap left over from MaBell etc. So even though both services are delivered over the same medium (fiber) because of the technology

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Kevin Sullivan
Wow, that was well thought out. I'd say that's a pretty good assessment! Kevin - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein f...@interisle.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? On 11/19/2014

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Fred, It’s a little late, but damn, that was a good description of the problem. I’m hoping and just hoping, that Wheeler understands exactly what the problem really is. Everyone thinks Title II is a hammer both on the ILEC and the public activist side, but in reality I hope that the FCC does

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Fred Goldstein
On 11/19/2014 4:22 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: also title II regulations are why an OC3 at 150Mbps costs 100 times as much as 150Mbps metro ethernet. Ethernet is unregulated, OC3 is part of the whole terrified crap left over from MaBell etc. So even though both services are delivered over the

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Rubens Kuhl
The real problem is that consumers have only the CableCo and TelCo as options for purchasing internet. The government instead of regulating should encourage competition in the free market. WISPs are one such competitor. WISPs are prevented by laws of Electromagnetism and Communications to

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Title ll has a ton of regulations…some which could reasonably apply, but most that have no bearing whatsoever or would be incredibly damaging to our industry. The question…and the problem, is that we don’t know what the FCC would enforce and what they would forebear from enforcing…and for how

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Future FCCs would not be bound by this FCC’s decisions. For good and bad. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@att.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Chuckle :) You all don't know who Fred is :) He has a weee bit of experience in these matters. :) I am reading this discussion about Title II and having a dejavu !!! What you all see coming to our door steps in form of Title II via the FCC, is pretty similar to what the we saw about

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Brett Woollum
Agreed, thanks Fred! Sonic.net, a California CLEC offering DSL internet services, has a blog post about this topic that might be of interest to the group: https://corp.sonic.net/ceo/2014/11/12/neutrality-is-just-a-symptom/ Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Robert
Ah the days of Covad, Northpoint, etc.. Racing to get high speed internet to needy customers on VC dollars not knowing that behind their backs a quick regulation change would make all that easy pickings for the incumbents... Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.. Fred,