Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Chadwick Wachs]

Interesting... Certainly easier to run.  Because I have to make two 90
degree turns (damn "H" shaped tower), I think I'll pull my Ethernet through
it on the ground and then run it up the tower with cable in it.  I'm
guessing that cutting it and putting 90 degree elbows (with cable pull
windows) on it is a bad idea from an RF standpoint?

My local HD has this in stock:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/AFC-Cable-Systems-3-4-in-x-100-ft-Liquidtight-Flexible-Steel-Conduit-6203-30-00/202262413

That looks what you describe.

I have to ask - from a physics(?) standpoint, what keeps RF out of the
Liquidtight but not EMT?

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> If you do conduit you need to use liquidtight with the metal inside.  EMT
> will do nothing to stop the RF from bleeding.
>
> We've done it on several towers with great success.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Thursday, September 8, 2016, Chadwick Wachs 
> wrote:
>
>> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve
>> the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each
>> end of the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add
>> a couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.
>>
>> This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like
>> running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long
>> term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp
>> it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of
>> that.
>>
>> Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops
>> at the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do
>> have longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are
>> longer than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites
>> on the cables that are in the conduit.
>>
>> Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV
>> stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower"
>> power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for
>> Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).
>>
>> Thanks for the advice.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Sean Heskett]

If you do conduit you need to use liquidtight with the metal inside.  EMT
will do nothing to stop the RF from bleeding.

We've done it on several towers with great success.

-Sean

On Thursday, September 8, 2016, Chadwick Wachs  wrote:

> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve
> the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each
> end of the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add
> a couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.
>
> This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like
> running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long
> term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp
> it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of
> that.
>
> Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops at
> the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do have
> longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are longer
> than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites on the
> cables that are in the conduit.
>
> Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV
> stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower"
> power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for
> Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).
>
> Thanks for the advice.
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Shawn C. Peppers]

Emt should work but typically you should be using rigid in this type of 
scenario. 

Shawn C. Peppers
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480-287-9960 Fax
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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Chadwick Wachs  wrote:
> 
> Agree fiber is the long term solution. No argument there and it is in the 
> capital budget.  What is stopping us right now is the cost. We are a 
> non-profit so having to buy two EdgePoints (due to the "H" shape of the 
> tower, we are on both legs) and two fiber cables - as well as the fiber 
> transceivers in the building. That is a ~$1200 investment. Small for a larger 
> WISP but significant for us.
> 
> We have most of the conduit and a spool of UBNT ToughCable Carrier wire. 
> Total cost for conduit is ~$50.
> 
> What I want now is a workable solution to RF interference. The Ferrite 
> solution has worked to some degree with us but two new FM stations were just 
> added so the problem is only getting worse.
> 
> Will steel EMT conduit help FM noise? If so, it is a cost effective immediate 
> fix for us. And it will make running the fiber/power easier down the road 
> when we can afford to fix this for good.
> 
> If conduit will have no effect on FM noise, I won't waste the time and will 
> stick with the Ferrite solution for now. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Timothy Steele  
>> wrote:
>> Running fiber up a tower is low cost and easy now days.. 
>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/
>> 
>> What's stopping you from doing fiber?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016, 10:45 PM Kevin Lamothe  wrote:
>>> No problem here. I had to use a DC to DC converter though since my sites 
>>> are negative DC.
>>> 
>>> 
 On September 8, 2016 10:28:11 PM EDT, "Shawn C. Peppers" 
  wrote:
 Its been 7 months or more since i had the issue.  I heard they planned to 
 fix it.
 
 Shawn C. Peppers
 Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
 866-680-8433 Toll Free
 480-287-9960 Fax
 http://www.video-direct.tv
 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> 
> And this is on the latest revisions?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016 10:02 PM, "Shawn C. Peppers" 
>>  wrote:
>> I belive its only on the DC version.
>> 
>> Shawn C. Peppers
>> Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
>> 866-680-8433 Toll Free
>> 480-287-9960 Fax
>> http://www.video-direct.tv
>> 
>> > On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Craig House  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Do Netonix have the same issue with ac power source or just dc input 
>> > interference
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Sep 8, 2016, at 20:42, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 9/8/16 6:34 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
>> >>> Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Wasn't the problem that it's picking up the FM noise from the DC input
>> >> i.e. the copper cable running up the tower?
>> >>
>> >> ~Seth
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Chadwick Wachs]

Agree fiber is the long term solution. No argument there and it is in the
capital budget.  What is stopping us right now is the cost. We are a
non-profit so having to buy two EdgePoints (due to the "H" shape of the
tower, we are on both legs) and two fiber cables - as well as the fiber
transceivers in the building. That is a ~$1200 investment. Small for a
larger WISP but significant for us.

We have most of the conduit and a spool of UBNT ToughCable Carrier wire.
Total cost for conduit is ~$50.

What I want now is a workable solution to RF interference. The Ferrite
solution has worked to some degree with us but two new FM stations were
just added so the problem is only getting worse.

Will steel EMT conduit help FM noise? If so, it is a cost effective
immediate fix for us. And it will make running the fiber/power easier down
the road when we can afford to fix this for good.

If conduit will have no effect on FM noise, I won't waste the time and will
stick with the Ferrite solution for now.



On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> Running fiber up a tower is low cost and easy now days..
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/
>
> What's stopping you from doing fiber?
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016, 10:45 PM Kevin Lamothe  wrote:
>
>> No problem here. I had to use a DC to DC converter though since my sites
>> are negative DC.
>>
>>
>> On September 8, 2016 10:28:11 PM EDT, "Shawn C. Peppers" <
>> videodirectwispal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Its been 7 months or more since i had the issue.  I heard they planned
>>> to fix it.
>>>
>>> Shawn C. Peppers
>>> Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
>>> 866-680-8433 Toll Free
>>> 480-287-9960 Fax
>>> http://www.video-direct.tv
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And this is on the latest revisions?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2016 10:02 PM, "Shawn C. Peppers" >> com> wrote:
>>>
 I belive its only on the DC version.

 Shawn C. Peppers
 Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
 866-680-8433 Toll Free
 480-287-9960 Fax
 http://www.video-direct.tv

 > On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Craig House 
 wrote:
 >
 > Do Netonix have the same issue with ac power source or just dc input
 interference
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
 >
 >> On Sep 8, 2016, at 20:42, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
 >>
 >> On 9/8/16 6:34 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
 >>> Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure?
 >>
 >>
 >> Wasn't the problem that it's picking up the FM noise from the DC
 input
 >> i.e. the copper cable running up the tower?
 >>
 >> ~Seth
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Timothy Steele]

Running fiber up a tower is low cost and easy now days..
https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/

What's stopping you from doing fiber?

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016, 10:45 PM Kevin Lamothe  wrote:

> No problem here. I had to use a DC to DC converter though since my sites
> are negative DC.
>
>
> On September 8, 2016 10:28:11 PM EDT, "Shawn C. Peppers" <
> videodirectwispal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Its been 7 months or more since i had the issue.  I heard they planned to
>> fix it.
>>
>> Shawn C. Peppers
>> Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
>> 866-680-8433 Toll Free
>> 480-287-9960 Fax
>> http://www.video-direct.tv
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> And this is on the latest revisions?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2016 10:02 PM, "Shawn C. Peppers" <
>> videodirectwispal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I belive its only on the DC version.
>>>
>>> Shawn C. Peppers
>>> Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
>>> 866-680-8433 Toll Free
>>> 480-287-9960 Fax
>>> http://www.video-direct.tv
>>>
>>> > On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Craig House 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Do Netonix have the same issue with ac power source or just dc input
>>> interference
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Sep 8, 2016, at 20:42, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 9/8/16 6:34 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
>>> >>> Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Wasn't the problem that it's picking up the FM noise from the DC input
>>> >> i.e. the copper cable running up the tower?
>>> >>
>>> >> ~Seth
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Kevin Lamothe]

No problem here. I had to use a DC to DC converter though since my sites are 
negative DC.

On September 8, 2016 10:28:11 PM EDT, "Shawn C. Peppers" 
 wrote:
>Its been 7 months or more since i had the issue.  I heard they planned
>to fix it.
>
>Shawn C. Peppers
>Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
>866-680-8433 Toll Free
>480-287-9960 Fax
>http://www.video-direct.tv
>
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:
>> 
>> And this is on the latest revisions?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016 10:02 PM, "Shawn C. Peppers"
> wrote:
>>> I belive its only on the DC version.
>>> 
>>> Shawn C. Peppers
>>> Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
>>> 866-680-8433 Toll Free
>>> 480-287-9960 Fax
>>> http://www.video-direct.tv
>>> 
>>> > On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Craig House 
>wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Do Netonix have the same issue with ac power source or just dc
>input interference
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Sep 8, 2016, at 20:42, Seth Mattinen 
>wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 9/8/16 6:34 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
>>> >>> Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Wasn't the problem that it's picking up the FM noise from the DC
>input
>>> >> i.e. the copper cable running up the tower?
>>> >>
>>> >> ~Seth
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Shawn C. Peppers]

Its been 7 months or more since i had the issue.  I heard they planned to fix 
it.

Shawn C. Peppers
Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
866-680-8433 Toll Free
480-287-9960 Fax
http://www.video-direct.tv

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> And this is on the latest revisions?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016 10:02 PM, "Shawn C. Peppers"  
>> wrote:
>> I belive its only on the DC version.
>> 
>> Shawn C. Peppers
>> Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
>> 866-680-8433 Toll Free
>> 480-287-9960 Fax
>> http://www.video-direct.tv
>> 
>> > On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Craig House  wrote:
>> >
>> > Do Netonix have the same issue with ac power source or just dc input 
>> > interference
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Sep 8, 2016, at 20:42, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 9/8/16 6:34 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
>> >>> Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Wasn't the problem that it's picking up the FM noise from the DC input
>> >> i.e. the copper cable running up the tower?
>> >>
>> >> ~Seth
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Josh Luthman]

And this is on the latest revisions?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 8, 2016 10:02 PM, "Shawn C. Peppers" 
wrote:

> I belive its only on the DC version.
>
> Shawn C. Peppers
> Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
> 866-680-8433 Toll Free
> 480-287-9960 Fax
> http://www.video-direct.tv
>
> > On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Craig House 
> wrote:
> >
> > Do Netonix have the same issue with ac power source or just dc input
> interference
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 8, 2016, at 20:42, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 9/8/16 6:34 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
> >>> Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure?
> >>
> >>
> >> Wasn't the problem that it's picking up the FM noise from the DC input
> >> i.e. the copper cable running up the tower?
> >>
> >> ~Seth
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Shawn C. Peppers]

Correct

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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
>> On 9/8/16 6:34 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
>> Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure?
> 
> 
> Wasn't the problem that it's picking up the FM noise from the DC input 
> i.e. the copper cable running up the tower?
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Shawn C. Peppers]

I belive its only on the DC version. 

Shawn C. Peppers
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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Craig House  wrote:
> 
> Do Netonix have the same issue with ac power source or just dc input 
> interference 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 20:42, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>> 
>> On 9/8/16 6:34 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
>>> Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure?
>> 
>> 
>> Wasn't the problem that it's picking up the FM noise from the DC input 
>> i.e. the copper cable running up the tower?
>> 
>> ~Seth
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 9/8/16 6:41 PM, Shawn C. Peppers wrote:
> Yes.  The fm noise is induced into the power cable and hits the netonix
> power circuit and goes to sh*t.
>
> This is pointed out in detail on the netonix forum.
>


Has anyone tried putting a DC-DC converter in front of it? Although that 
would kinda negate the point of the wide range input model.

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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Craig House]

Do Netonix have the same issue with ac power source or just dc input 
interference 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 20:42, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 9/8/16 6:34 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
> > Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure?
> 
> 
> Wasn't the problem that it's picking up the FM noise from the DC input 
> i.e. the copper cable running up the tower?
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 9/8/16 6:34 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
> Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure?


Wasn't the problem that it's picking up the FM noise from the DC input 
i.e. the copper cable running up the tower?

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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Shawn C. Peppers]

Yes.  The fm noise is induced into the power cable and hits the netonix power 
circuit and goes to sh*t. 

This is pointed out in detail on the netonix forum. 

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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:34 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
> 
> Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure? 
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Shawn C. Peppers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would NOT use a netonix on a FM tower unless they have fully fixed the 
>> issue that was causing fm noise from the tower to effect the power chip in 
>> the netonix switch.  You will always have issues unless you run fiber and a 
>> shielded power cable up the tower.  I have had nothing but flawless results 
>> using the edgepoint 16 and making sure i put MC metal jacket on the cat5 
>> from the edgepoint to the radios. 
>> 
>> Shawn C. Peppers
>> Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
>> 866-680-8433 Toll Free
>> 480-287-9960 Fax
>> http://www.video-direct.tv
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Chadwick Wachs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You are right, fiber IS the best long term solution. Not a possibility just 
>>> yet but will be down the road.  So, maybe I re-phrase. :-) Is conduit a 
>>> workable shorter term solution with shielded cable inside or will it not 
>>> provide the RF protection the Ethernet needs? It will certainly make 
>>> pulling the fiber and DC easier when we go that route.
>>> 
>>> Problem with fiber today is we are on a "H" shaped antenna tower and have 
>>> antennas on both legs of the "H" which requires two fiber runs and two 
>>> Netonix switches. Not in the budget just yet.
>>> 
 On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Josh Luthman  
 wrote:
 Fiber and DC to Netonix.  Shielded cable to your radios hopefully with 
 minimal distance.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
> On Sep 8, 2016 9:03 PM, "Chadwick Wachs"  wrote:
> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve 
> the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each 
> end of the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to 
> add a couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.
> 
> This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like 
> running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long 
> term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and 
> clamp it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables 
> inside of that. 
> 
> Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops 
> at the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do 
> have longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are 
> longer than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites 
> on the cables that are in the conduit.
> 
> Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV 
> stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are 
> "lower" power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit 
> for Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).
> 
> Thanks for the advice.
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Jon Langeler]

Was the Netonix in a metal enclosure? 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Shawn C. Peppers  
> wrote:
> 
> I would NOT use a netonix on a FM tower unless they have fully fixed the 
> issue that was causing fm noise from the tower to effect the power chip in 
> the netonix switch.  You will always have issues unless you run fiber and a 
> shielded power cable up the tower.  I have had nothing but flawless results 
> using the edgepoint 16 and making sure i put MC metal jacket on the cat5 from 
> the edgepoint to the radios. 
> 
> Shawn C. Peppers
> Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
> 866-680-8433 Toll Free
> 480-287-9960 Fax
> http://www.video-direct.tv
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Chadwick Wachs  wrote:
>> 
>> You are right, fiber IS the best long term solution. Not a possibility just 
>> yet but will be down the road.  So, maybe I re-phrase. :-) Is conduit a 
>> workable shorter term solution with shielded cable inside or will it not 
>> provide the RF protection the Ethernet needs? It will certainly make pulling 
>> the fiber and DC easier when we go that route.
>> 
>> Problem with fiber today is we are on a "H" shaped antenna tower and have 
>> antennas on both legs of the "H" which requires two fiber runs and two 
>> Netonix switches. Not in the budget just yet.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Josh Luthman  
>>> wrote:
>>> Fiber and DC to Netonix.  Shielded cable to your radios hopefully with 
>>> minimal distance.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016 9:03 PM, "Chadwick Wachs"  wrote:
 With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve 
 the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each 
 end of the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add 
 a couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.
 
 This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like 
 running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long 
 term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp 
 it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of 
 that. 
 
 Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops at 
 the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do have 
 longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are 
 longer than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites 
 on the cables that are in the conduit.
 
 Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV 
 stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower" 
 power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for 
 Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).
 
 Thanks for the advice.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 9/8/16 6:02 PM, Chadwick Wachs wrote:
> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve
> the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each
> end of the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to
> add a couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.
>
> This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like
> running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long
> term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and
> clamp it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables
> inside of that.
>


You could install conduit, but last I checked fiber is cheaper per foot 
than conduit.

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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Shawn C. Peppers]

I would NOT use a netonix on a FM tower unless they have fully fixed the issue 
that was causing fm noise from the tower to effect the power chip in the 
netonix switch.  You will always have issues unless you run fiber and a 
shielded power cable up the tower.  I have had nothing but flawless results 
using the edgepoint 16 and making sure i put MC metal jacket on the cat5 from 
the edgepoint to the radios. 

Shawn C. Peppers
Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
866-680-8433 Toll Free
480-287-9960 Fax
http://www.video-direct.tv

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Chadwick Wachs  wrote:
> 
> You are right, fiber IS the best long term solution. Not a possibility just 
> yet but will be down the road.  So, maybe I re-phrase. :-) Is conduit a 
> workable shorter term solution with shielded cable inside or will it not 
> provide the RF protection the Ethernet needs? It will certainly make pulling 
> the fiber and DC easier when we go that route.
> 
> Problem with fiber today is we are on a "H" shaped antenna tower and have 
> antennas on both legs of the "H" which requires two fiber runs and two 
> Netonix switches. Not in the budget just yet.
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> Fiber and DC to Netonix.  Shielded cable to your radios hopefully with 
>> minimal distance.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016 9:03 PM, "Chadwick Wachs"  wrote:
>>> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve the 
>>> FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each end of 
>>> the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add a 
>>> couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.
>>> 
>>> This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like 
>>> running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long 
>>> term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp 
>>> it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of 
>>> that. 
>>> 
>>> Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops at 
>>> the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do have 
>>> longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are longer 
>>> than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites on the 
>>> cables that are in the conduit.
>>> 
>>> Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV 
>>> stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower" 
>>> power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for 
>>> Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Josh Luthman]

Why would you do conduit and copper when it's more expensive and won't work
out better?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 8, 2016 9:14 PM, "Chadwick Wachs"  wrote:

> You are right, fiber IS the best long term solution. Not a possibility
> just yet but will be down the road.  So, maybe I re-phrase. :-) Is conduit
> a workable shorter term solution with shielded cable inside or will it not
> provide the RF protection the Ethernet needs? It will certainly make
> pulling the fiber and DC easier when we go that route.
>
> Problem with fiber today is we are on a "H" shaped antenna tower and have
> antennas on both legs of the "H" which requires two fiber runs and two
> Netonix switches. Not in the budget just yet.
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Fiber and DC to Netonix.  Shielded cable to your radios hopefully with
>> minimal distance.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2016 9:03 PM, "Chadwick Wachs"  wrote:
>>
>>> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve
>>> the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each
>>> end of the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add
>>> a couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.
>>>
>>> This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like
>>> running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long
>>> term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp
>>> it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops
>>> at the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do
>>> have longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are
>>> longer than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites
>>> on the cables that are in the conduit.
>>>
>>> Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV
>>> stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower"
>>> power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for
>>> Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).
>>>
>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Chadwick Wachs]

You are right, fiber IS the best long term solution. Not a possibility just
yet but will be down the road.  So, maybe I re-phrase. :-) Is conduit a
workable shorter term solution with shielded cable inside or will it not
provide the RF protection the Ethernet needs? It will certainly make
pulling the fiber and DC easier when we go that route.

Problem with fiber today is we are on a "H" shaped antenna tower and have
antennas on both legs of the "H" which requires two fiber runs and two
Netonix switches. Not in the budget just yet.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Fiber and DC to Netonix.  Shielded cable to your radios hopefully with
> minimal distance.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sep 8, 2016 9:03 PM, "Chadwick Wachs"  wrote:
>
>> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve
>> the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each
>> end of the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add
>> a couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.
>>
>> This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like
>> running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long
>> term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp
>> it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of
>> that.
>>
>> Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops
>> at the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do
>> have longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are
>> longer than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites
>> on the cables that are in the conduit.
>>
>> Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV
>> stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower"
>> power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for
>> Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).
>>
>> Thanks for the advice.
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Jon Langeler]

+1

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Fiber and DC to Netonix.  Shielded cable to your radios hopefully with 
> minimal distance.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016 9:03 PM, "Chadwick Wachs"  wrote:
>> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve the 
>> FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each end of 
>> the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add a couple 
>> more antennas so I am considering conduit.
>> 
>> This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like 
>> running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long 
>> term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp 
>> it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of 
>> that. 
>> 
>> Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops at 
>> the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do have 
>> longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are longer 
>> than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites on the 
>> cables that are in the conduit.
>> 
>> Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV 
>> stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower" 
>> power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for 
>> Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).
>> 
>> Thanks for the advice.
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Josh Luthman]

Fiber and DC to Netonix.  Shielded cable to your radios hopefully with
minimal distance.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 8, 2016 9:03 PM, "Chadwick Wachs"  wrote:

> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve
> the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each
> end of the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add
> a couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.
>
> This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like
> running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long
> term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp
> it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of
> that.
>
> Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops at
> the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do have
> longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are longer
> than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites on the
> cables that are in the conduit.
>
> Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV
> stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower"
> power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for
> Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).
>
> Thanks for the advice.
>
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[WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Chadwick Wachs]

With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve the
FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each end of
the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add a
couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.

This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like
running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long
term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp
it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of
that.

Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops at
the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do have
longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are longer
than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites on the
cables that are in the conduit.

Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV
stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower"
power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for
Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).

Thanks for the advice.
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Re: [WISPA] In-Wall AP UniFi

[Brandon Gilles]

Brandon from Ubiquiti here.

We've seen a slew of installs w/ hotels and w/ the low power of the UAP-IW
performance seems fine.  Keep in mind for sure that the best throughput you
can expect out of these is ~20-30mbps.

These are intended for situations where they'd be installed in each hotel
room (they're low Tx power) and for for lower-throughput needs.  I'd
recommend these for installs where single-customer throughput is 5mbps or
less.

The comments about 2.4GHz-only installs are spot on.  The low Tx power of
the UAP-IW helps a lot here, as the cells are small, and little signal gets
outside of a given room, but performance will of course be well below a
dual-band model.  As above, for installs where ~5mbps is what customer will
need (on average), I think these will be OK.

For higher throughput we also have a UAP-AC-IW coming out late this year.
These will be good for ~250mbps per user.

Cheers,
Brandon

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mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:

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> Ubiquiti Networks UAP-IW-US
> UniFi AP In-Wall 2.4GHz US
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Re: [WISPA] Need a ~60ft pole to mount a 2ft dish on

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