Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band

2018-06-21 Thread Robert Andrews 
& he said deflecting, not eliminating...

On 06/21/2018 01:55 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>  >>> Isn't the device FCC certified?
> 
> That is no a valid 'defense' when it comes to tracking down the source 
> of interference.
> It is a position that helps in deflecting potential liability, which the 
> 2nd phase of the 'let's find who is messing with the spectrum process' .
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
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> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
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> 
> 
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, June 21, 2018 3:59:25 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band
> 
> Isn't the device FCC certified?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Steve Barnes  > wrote:
> 
> We had an issue this week where we had a Power company have a
> 50K licensed band at 901.152 Mhz for power meter reading.  We
> have still a few older links that are 900MHz on Yagi’s to
> individuals in deep woods.  I had to move channels all over the
> place as a 902-912MHz 10Mhz channel with UBNT does not have edge
> filters that don’t pollute down to 901MHz.  So moving to the
> middle of the band cleaned up the noise on their license.
> 
> Now they are claiming that 10MHz channel width in the 900MHz ISM
> band is Illegal.  That the channel width is to be no larger than
> 8MHz. I have read all kinds of ISM docs from the FCC and I see
> no mention of max channel widths.  They made mention of talking
> to the FCC if we didn’t fix the issue.
> 
> Proof they are wrong any one?   This is a national company with
> a $10K Anritsu analyzer they hired in to find the noise.
> 
> *Steve Barnes*
> 
> Wireless Operations Manager
> 
> *New Lisbon Broadband*
> 
> *NLBC.COM *
> 
> *PCSWIN.COM *
> 
> 765-584-2288 ext:1101
> 
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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band

2018-06-21 Thread Clay Stewart 
The UBNT radios are certified to use whatever CW they have been programmed
to use which has met certification requirements. Only the FCC can tell you
to stop using any frequency.

We once had Verizon going into public 900Mhz band from licensed band and we
got them to fix it.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 3:57 PM Steve Barnes  wrote:

> We had an issue this week where we had a Power company have a 50K licensed
> band at 901.152 Mhz for power meter reading.  We have still a few older
> links that are 900MHz on Yagi’s to individuals in deep woods.  I had to
> move channels all over the place as a 902-912MHz 10Mhz channel with UBNT
> does not have edge filters that don’t pollute down to 901MHz.  So moving to
> the middle of the band cleaned up the noise on their license.
>
>
>
> Now they are claiming that 10MHz channel width in the 900MHz ISM band is
> Illegal.  That the channel width is to be no larger than 8MHz. I have read
> all kinds of ISM docs from the FCC and I see no mention of max channel
> widths.  They made mention of talking to the FCC if we didn’t fix the
> issue.
>
>
>
> Proof they are wrong any one?   This is a national company with a $10K Anritsu
> analyzer they hired in to find the noise.
>
>
>
> *Steve Barnes*
>
> Wireless Operations Manager
>
> *New Lisbon Broadband*
>
> *NLBC.COM *
>
> *PCSWIN.COM *
>
> 765-584-2288 ext:1101
>
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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band

2018-06-21 Thread Josh Luthman 
The issue, they claim, it's 10 MHz channels aren't allowed.  If it was FCC
certified, their claim is incorrect.

Their issue isn't interference from what I'm reading.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:55 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> >>> Isn't the device FCC certified?
>
> That is no a valid 'defense' when it comes to tracking down the source of
> interference.
> It is a position that helps in deflecting potential liability, which the
> 2nd phase of the 'let's find who is messing with the spectrum process' .
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, June 21, 2018 3:59:25 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band
>
> Isn't the device FCC certified?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>
>> We had an issue this week where we had a Power company have a 50K
>> licensed band at 901.152 Mhz for power meter reading.  We have still a few
>> older links that are 900MHz on Yagi’s to individuals in deep woods.  I had
>> to move channels all over the place as a 902-912MHz 10Mhz channel with UBNT
>> does not have edge filters that don’t pollute down to 901MHz.  So moving to
>> the middle of the band cleaned up the noise on their license.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now they are claiming that 10MHz channel width in the 900MHz ISM band is
>> Illegal.  That the channel width is to be no larger than 8MHz. I have read
>> all kinds of ISM docs from the FCC and I see no mention of max channel
>> widths.  They made mention of talking to the FCC if we didn’t fix the
>> issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Proof they are wrong any one?   This is a national company with a $10K 
>> Anritsu
>> analyzer they hired in to find the noise.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Steve Barnes*
>>
>> Wireless Operations Manager
>>
>> *New Lisbon Broadband*
>>
>> *NLBC.COM *
>>
>> *PCSWIN.COM *
>>
>> 765-584-2288 ext:1101
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band

2018-06-21 Thread GarrettShankle 
That sounds like complete malarkey to me.  I’m sure cambium would like to hear 
about that as I’m happily running all my 450i sectors in some areas at 10 or 
20mhz. 

 

I was once told by an well-schooled rf engineer that 900mhz required frequency 
hopping to be legal. 

 

If your power is correct and your OOBE isn’t too high than they are just 
blowing smoke. You might want to rent your own spectrum analyzer just to be 
sure you aren’t bleeding too far with the edges. The M900 runs pretty dirty for 
sure. 

 

 

Garrett Shankle CWNA

Wireless Administrator

Virginia Broadband LLC

540-829-1700 (ex. 413)

Vabb.com

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf Of Josh 
Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 3:59 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band

 

Isn't the device FCC certified?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Steve Barnes mailto:st...@pcswin.com> > wrote:

We had an issue this week where we had a Power company have a 50K licensed band 
at 901.152 Mhz for power meter reading.  We have still a few older links that 
are 900MHz on Yagi’s to individuals in deep woods.  I had to move channels all 
over the place as a 902-912MHz 10Mhz channel with UBNT does not have edge 
filters that don’t pollute down to 901MHz.  So moving to the middle of the band 
cleaned up the noise on their license.  

 

Now they are claiming that 10MHz channel width in the 900MHz ISM band is 
Illegal.  That the channel width is to be no larger than 8MHz. I have read all 
kinds of ISM docs from the FCC and I see no mention of max channel widths.  
They made mention of talking to the FCC if we didn’t fix the issue.  

 

Proof they are wrong any one?   This is a national company with a $10K Anritsu 
analyzer they hired in to find the noise. 

 

Steve Barnes

Wireless Operations Manager

New Lisbon Broadband

  NLBC.COM

  PCSWIN.COM

765-584-2288 ext:1101

 


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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band

2018-06-21 Thread Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> Isn't the device FCC certified? 

That is no a valid 'defense' when it comes to tracking down the source of 
interference. 
It is a position that helps in deflecting potential liability, which the 2nd 
phase of the 'let's find who is messing with the spectrum process' . 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 3:59:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band

> Isn't the device FCC certified?

> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Steve Barnes < st...@pcswin.com > wrote:

>> We had an issue this week where we had a Power company have a 50K licensed 
>> band
>> at 901.152 Mhz for power meter reading. We have still a few older links that
>> are 900MHz on Yagi’s to individuals in deep woods. I had to move channels all
>> over the place as a 902-912MHz 10Mhz channel with UBNT does not have edge
>> filters that don’t pollute down to 901MHz. So moving to the middle of the 
>> band
>> cleaned up the noise on their license.

>> Now they are claiming that 10MHz channel width in the 900MHz ISM band is
>> Illegal. That the channel width is to be no larger than 8MHz. I have read all
>> kinds of ISM docs from the FCC and I see no mention of max channel widths. 
>> They
>> made mention of talking to the FCC if we didn’t fix the issue.

>> Proof they are wrong any one? This is a national company with a $10K Anritsu
>> analyzer they hired in to find the noise.

>> Steve Barnes

>> Wireless Operations Manager

>> New Lisbon Broadband

>> NLBC.COM

>> PCSWIN.COM

>> 765-584-2288 ext:1101

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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band

2018-06-21 Thread Seth Mattinen 
On 6/21/18 12:57, Steve Barnes wrote:
> Now they are claiming that 10MHz channel width in the 900MHz ISM band is 
> Illegal.  That the channel width is to be no larger than 8MHz. I have 
> read all kinds of ISM docs from the FCC and I see no mention of max 
> channel widths.  They made mention of talking to the FCC if we didn’t 
> fix the issue.
> 


Anyone who makes such a claim surely can cite a reference, no?

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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band

2018-06-21 Thread Josh Luthman 
Isn't the device FCC certified?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

> We had an issue this week where we had a Power company have a 50K licensed
> band at 901.152 Mhz for power meter reading.  We have still a few older
> links that are 900MHz on Yagi’s to individuals in deep woods.  I had to
> move channels all over the place as a 902-912MHz 10Mhz channel with UBNT
> does not have edge filters that don’t pollute down to 901MHz.  So moving to
> the middle of the band cleaned up the noise on their license.
>
>
>
> Now they are claiming that 10MHz channel width in the 900MHz ISM band is
> Illegal.  That the channel width is to be no larger than 8MHz. I have read
> all kinds of ISM docs from the FCC and I see no mention of max channel
> widths.  They made mention of talking to the FCC if we didn’t fix the
> issue.
>
>
>
> Proof they are wrong any one?   This is a national company with a $10K Anritsu
> analyzer they hired in to find the noise.
>
>
>
> *Steve Barnes*
>
> Wireless Operations Manager
>
> *New Lisbon Broadband*
>
> *NLBC.COM *
>
> *PCSWIN.COM *
>
> 765-584-2288 ext:1101
>
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[WISPA] 900MHz band

2018-06-21 Thread Steve Barnes 
We had an issue this week where we had a Power company have a 50K licensed band 
at 901.152 Mhz for power meter reading.  We have still a few older links that 
are 900MHz on Yagi's to individuals in deep woods.  I had to move channels all 
over the place as a 902-912MHz 10Mhz channel with UBNT does not have edge 
filters that don't pollute down to 901MHz.  So moving to the middle of the band 
cleaned up the noise on their license.

Now they are claiming that 10MHz channel width in the 900MHz ISM band is 
Illegal.  That the channel width is to be no larger than 8MHz. I have read all 
kinds of ISM docs from the FCC and I see no mention of max channel widths.  
They made mention of talking to the FCC if we didn't fix the issue.

Proof they are wrong any one?   This is a national company with a $10K Anritsu 
analyzer they hired in to find the noise.

Steve Barnes
Wireless Operations Manager
New Lisbon Broadband
NLBC.COM
PCSWIN.COM
765-584-2288 ext:1101

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