Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
As for lightning, I've thought that replacing the radio card with one with the appropriate atheros chipset might be effective. mini-pci IIRC. Never have done it, though. Bob Josh Luthman wrote: I guess us around here must have been over tightening it or something, huh... On 8/27/09, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: We have over 600 hundred Tranzeo's installed as AP's, CPE's and Backhaul. So far our biggest problem has been lightening, but no problem with water unless someone left off the black thingy and tried to seal it with RTV. Of course we are in New Mexico where it only rains 12 inchs a year, but usually all at once. The newer radios have screws around the enclosure and a less adhesive sealent, so they are much easier to open. Although a good filet knife worked well with the old ones. Phil On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Everything just hates me it seems :( On 8/27/09, J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com wrote: This is true for me as well. I haven't seen a seal fail, and I do not over-tighten the nuts. However, I HAVE had several fail after hail knocks a hole in the top of the cover, and then over time, water is funneled into the radio. I have found a couple of radios that were half full of water (or more) before they failed. Leaving the bottom loose may help, so that the water can get out, rather than building up to the point where it can get into the radio through the ethernet port. Bill Gaylord wrote: I am in Northern Michigan and have never seen it either. If you make sure you do not over-tighten so that the seal is not deformed, it works fine. Also, leaving the bottom one a little loose, does not hurt either. We have over 500 in the field. Bill Gaylord, COO COLI Inc -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes
We have four solar locations, two of which have operated for over five years without any lightning damage. At least one of them is in a location and with a mast that I'd consider to be a prime target. The one that really nailed us was a nearby building strike - it destroyed an antenna and the associated AP. Did not take out any of the associated ethernet stuff. We may have just gotten lucky, but we've since taken care to put in place professional-grade (the guy has done stuff at Los Alamos National Lab and we are---I work there---real heavy into lightning protection and high energy safety) protection. Given what I just said, no doubt two of those APs will get taken out in the next couple of weeks :)...lightning is nothing if not capricious and deadly. FWIW. Bob Scottie Arnett wrote: Whats the majority think the equipment damage from lightning comes from...electric surge or coupling on the Ethernet? Will running on battery or solar lessen your chances of equipment damage that much more that it is worth the cost? I am in the same boat as these guys and have one location hit 5 times in the last two years that caused major damage(talking SMOKED AP's), more than that if you just include power supplies and switches. I was thinking of grounding the crap out of this location, but it looks like David did that and it did not help much. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:09:58 -0400 I looked at a Transtector unit a few weeks ago. It's an isolation transformer that sits outdoors between the entrance panel and our internal electrical system. It was roughly $1K for the unit. Kind of wish I would have bought it now. We are the end of the line on the power grid and have 1-3 days of outages multiple times a year, that's the real reason for the battery solution; that and we are tired of generators. Your right though. Most cell and radio towers I visit have just that, an isolation transformer at the entrance panel. Thanks, Dave cc...@dot11net.com wrote: Since it sounds like this came in on the AC, how about a surge protector on incoming AC line? We've had sites where the power company's grounding is so bad we've lost power supply surge protectors in just about every storm that comes through the area...until we put surge protection at the breaker box. Now all is good. Cameron Don't feel too left Chuck out we lost a tower site in the same storm. Second time in seven years a total loss. Both times we've lost our gear it has come via the electrical side. Our tower gets hit by a strike or two almost every storm and we never have issues. This time it literaly blew the entrance panel off the side of the building and outlets off the walls of the building. Cracked one of the APC batterty units, every ethernet surge suppressor and every grounded POE injectors were blown apart. Interesting that our four coax arrestors were okay, but the gear was cooked. Most of the cat5 ends included. Had spare gear on the tower plugged in at the radios but dangling in the building, we fired it up and were in operation within a few minutes. Took another 16 hours to get all of the damage cleaned up. We have on that site forty-five 3/4 ground rods in two concentric circles around the tower and building none more than eight feet apart; all interconnected with #2 bare stranded wire and cad welded. Inside the building - a halo ring and 3 1/2 copper strapping, the list goes on and on for what we have done to minimize issues. We spent nearly 5K on grounding and still lost it all. We are moving to total battery power next week. I am looking for something I can use to isolate a smart charger from the power company when we see storms in the area, I expect we will have enough battery for a minimum 3 days runtime. Some type of relay that we can control remotely I would guess. If it makes you feel any better Verizon Wireless took total loses on four towers between Cincinnati and Louisville Tuesday as well. Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC Chuck Hogg wrote: Has anyone been able to withstand a direct lightning strike? We had a tower get hit last night, and some of our equipment lost Ethernet ports (RB/433AH), and we lost 3 canopy APs, but that is all (considering what is all up there only 2/3rds was blown). Our Trango AP survived and a RB/433AH survived. Even Nextel had their guys out there, but they just had to reset alarms it appears as nothing was fried on their end. I wish I had to just reset alarms. So tell me, what do you do ? I'm tired of dumping a few grand during big lightning storms. I do the basics, Ethernet surge suppression up top and on the bottom, Polyphasers, ground out to the ground bars, ground out the cat5 cable, and no omni's. Regards, Chuck Hogg
Re: [WISPA] Solar Panels
We've got 4 solar sites. Our first relay site was solar, 7+ years ago. 2nd went in 6 years ago. Kyocera panels, Morningstar controllers w/LVD, Concorde batteries. Bob Lists wrote: Curious how many WISPs are using Solar and what type of solar products? We are looking at this as well as wind turbines for an all season coverage solution. Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO http://stlbroadband.com/ StLouisBroadband.com http://missouriruralwireless.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
These are new: 5 year warranty. I just installed two of these in one of my servers at home. Love 'em. Bob Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks! Do you happen to know if those are new or reman units? Seems pretty dang cheap. I'm after inexpensive, not cheap. I could sure see putting one of those into the web severs and then selling a lot more space to people or lower our prices. I figured that this much space was gonna cost me well over a grand. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? We do it. Handybackup has been a nice little program. What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for massive amounts of storage. Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space? Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers security doesn't have to be super good. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose. He just uses someone else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's ridiculous I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again. With over a half million files... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services? Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as a value added or revenue improving service? Was it a success or failure? insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008
If I were in John's shoes, I'd feel the same way. Personally, I'd have more respect for Tranzeo if they complied with the GPL and BSD licenses. The ER1000 series is Linux-based. Nowhere in Tranzeo's documentation or on their web site do I find the information required by the GPL. If one gets into the unit, the information required by the BSD license isn't there either. We (LCWA, that is) have talked to them regarding this and they're basically non-responsive. To many, it's a small thing. In my opinion, it matters because it speaks to ethics. FWIW. Bob John Scrivner wrote: Now if they would just drop a mere $1000 to join WISPA as a Vendor Member they would earn mine. I use their products every day. I have asked them to join, face to face, at shows as recently as the last WiMax World a month ago. Tranzeo benefits regularly from WISPA but as yet seems reluctant to support our industry efforts. Scriv On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read every word. Tranzeo has earned my respect. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions; Mikrotik Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008 Ladies and Gentlemen, (Please pardon my extensive use of () and in this here email, I am not so good with the typin' stuff! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A few weeks ago (years in some cases, hi Travis!) there was discovered a random disconnect issue between Tranzeo CPE and Mtik APs. First it was prism vs atheos (no, that was not it) Then it was tranzeo CPE are terrible. Yadda Yadda (no that is not it either as even MTIK CPE were seing this, although not as often) Then it was you must have some power issue with the boards browning out on the routeros board you are using (nope, not that either) Someone even threw in Pluto is mad that it is not a planet any more. (Pluto is now considered the largest member of a distinct population called the Kuiper belt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper_belt.) Even I said it was not an issue and hey they just disconnect a few times a day.. who cares! (whoops! talk to my P** off customers!) Even Marlon the strange wizard from the far side of the mountains said the Tranzeo CPE were to blame (he convinced me to use Tranzeo over SmartBridges! Thank Goodness!) Travis from Idaho posted a forum entry here for Mtik to ignore or scoff at: (Hi Uldis!) http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=24971 I emailed Damian and another gentleman from Tranzeo privately and said WTF kids? I did some network sniffing for them and was able to give EXACT details about what was happening, when and how. We (Tranzeo and I, mostly Damian) opened a ticket with Mtik (Ticket#2008091666000531): Tranzeo laid out a packet sniff from Network Instruments Wireless Observer along with my wireshark packet sniff showing in brief that the Mtik AP was throwing out random zeros in it's beacon frame timestamp. They stated that when a zero is recieved, the CPE are to assume that there is a change in the settings of the wireless AP and they should disconnect and reaquire. (think of this as an INSTANT change from 802.11b to 802.11b/g and all your clients disconnect and reconnect, because, well, there is a change in the AP's capabilities. This is reasonable reaction to a notification of a change of settings. Mtik replied with IEEE Std 802.11-2007 section 11.1.1.1 (located here if you have trouble sleeping: (http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.11-2007.pdf *YAWN* let me tell you, this explains why wireless engineers are who they are.. whoa!) Mtik continued and said that the wording of this standard allowed for a timestamp of zero sent from the AP and basically the CPE should deal with it and play through. Damian learned some Latvian so he could swear in a diffrent language than Canadian. Honestly, he likes to be legal in APs etc and just cannot see why us ULS users would flaunt the FCC _and_ put up with these Mtik bugs. I mentioned something under my breath regarding CPQs and firware updates about 3 years ago... The nice gentleman engineer at Tranzeo placed some virtual CPE on a bench facing a Mtik AP and was able to reproduce the issue. He then released to me some very alpha firmware that would email him with a warning whenever a CPQ saw a zero frame. This alpha software would also IGNORE this frame and keep on trucking. This alpha firmware was given with the stern warning that if I changed ANYTHING on the AP I would have to really recycle it to make all the CPE realize there was
Re: [WISPA] AntiVirus Sortware
Nah. The One True Editor: emacs. Bob Jeromie Reeves wrote: You mean they use echo On 9/8/07, cw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Real men use vi. Mac Dearman wrote: (The UNIX version is text user interface based-its message editor inspired the text editor Pico.) Signed, Anonymous from LA. (That's Los Angeles) ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ begin:vcard fn:Bob Knight n:Knight;Bob email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:505.667.4300 tel;home:505.466.4548 tel;cell:505.310.8409 note:GUIs are a passing fad. version:2.1 end:vcard ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Feb 22
We are in NM 2, Tom Udall. NM 1 has the Sandoval County-wide wireless initiative (which, IMNSHO, is a money sink of the finest kind: NM political and economic development history repeated in classic form with the usual up-front grandiose claims and goals, award of funds, under-delivery of promises, followed, of course, by the departure of various monetary benefactees when it's become clear the money stream is drying up) and Rio Rancho's wireless system. There are, no doubt, some wired ISP's doing wireless in that area. I will forward your message on to another list that may have some ppl on it, if desired. We'd be interested, of course, in said spectrum. Bob John Scrivner wrote: Frannie, I have copied the WISPA list server on this email. Please reply to me and let me know exactly what you would like for me to have these contacts do who are in the districts listed below. I am sure you want to see them express their need for unlicensed use of unused television channel space through the WIN Act of 2007. Can you tell us more specific ways we can help drive home this message? Anyone in a district listed below can contact Frannie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or you may work through me to assist you in getting the word out. Together we can actively change public policy to help us and our potential customers to get access to broadband. Thanks, Scriv Frannie Wellings wrote: Hey there, These are the congressional districts and the corresponding Representatives. Do you think you might be able to find any good WISPs in some? Thank you! F California 14th district - Anna Eshoo, CA California 19th - George Radanovich, CA California 23rd - Lois Capps, CA California 32nd - Hilda L. Solis, CA California 36th - Jane Harman, CA California 45th - Mary Bono, CA Florida 6th - Cliff Stearns, FL Georgia 9th - Nathan Deal, GA Illinois 1st - Bobby L. Rush, IL Illinois 14th - Dennis Hastert, IL Illinois 19th - John Shimkus, IL Indiana 9th - Baron P. Hill, IN Massachusetts 7th - Edward J. Markey, MA Michigan 1st - Bart Stupak, MI Michigan 6th - Fred Upton, MI Michigan 15th - John D. Dingell, MI Mississippi 3rd - Charles W. Chip Pickering, MS Nebraska 2nd - Lee Terry, NE New Jersey 6th - Frank Pallone, Jr., NJ New Jersey 7th - Mike Ferguson, NJ New Mexico 1st - Heather Wilson, NM New York 10th - Edolphus Towns, NY New York 13th - Vito Fossella, NY New York 17th - Eliot L. Engel, NY Oregon 2nd - Greg Walden, OR Pennsylvania 14th - Mike Doyle, PA Tennessee 6th - Bart Gordon, TN Texas 6th - Joe Barton, TX Texas 9th - Gene Green, TX Texas 20th - Charles A. Gonzalez, TX Virginia 9th - Rick Boucher, VA Wyoming (all over state) - Barbara Cubin, Wy * * * Frannie Wellings Associate Policy Director Free Press 202.265.1490 x 21 www.freepress.net -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:06 PM To: Frannie Wellings Subject: Re: Feb 22 I'd also like to talk about where you have people who could contact their member of Congress - we might need to map it out, specifically with the members of the relevant committees. If I sent you a list of districts, do you think you might be able to match it up with good WISPA members? I would sure try. Please send me the districts and I will work to find matches. Thanks, Scriv Best, F * * * Frannie Wellings Associate Policy Director Free Press 202.265.1490 x 21 www.freepress.net -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:10 PM To: Frannie Wellings Subject: Re: Feb 22 My cell number is 618-237-2387. Please send me your number. I will plan on us meeting at 3 pm on the 22nd. Cheers! Scriv Frannie Wellings wrote: Sounds good. I'll check with Durbin's office and see if his staff has time that afternoon. Let's meet for coffee on the 22nd at 3pm if that works for you. If we have a meeting in the Senate, we could just meet over there. Best, F * * * Frannie Wellings Associate Policy Director Free Press 202.265.1490 x 21 www.freepress.net -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:14 PM To: Frannie Wellings Subject: Re: Feb 22 I would like to do that. It would need to be in the afternoon if possible. I have other commitments all morning and until after lunch. If you can arrange for a time for me to meet with them in the afternoon and you and I could be there together that would be great. Let me know. Thanks, Scriv Frannie Wellings wrote: Hey there, You're in town on the 22^nd right? Do you have time to a) get a cup of coffee with me and b) meet with Senator Durbin's staff? I can set it up if you let me know. I might be out of town on the 23^rd , so I thought I'd check with you now. Best, F * * *
Re: [WISPA] Wrap 2 power
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If I'm not mistaken, WRAPs are only rated to 18VDC. Bob Blair Davis wrote: WRAP 2? what specs? will it take 48V POE? chris cooper wrote: We are rolling out some wrap 2 based nodes. The node, including power will be mounted externally. Has anyone devised a way to weather harden the AC plug/POE block combo? Ive got an idea for a 2^nd , small enclosure that piggy backs on the radio enclosure, but Im wondering if someone has come up with a slick way to do this. Thanks Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006 -- Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A Division of : Camp Communication Services, INC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE0TeS09OzCOxY0TcRAjTXAJ98Fiuu54Fkm03Zao6p9UGlooBYqgCfeKu/ +o4jG2EUPOh5g0mL7zSQrIE= =93be -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Bob Knight n:Knight;Bob email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:505.667.4300 tel;home:505.466.4548 tel;cell:505.310.8409 note:GUIs are a passing fad. version:2.1 end:vcard -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John - that is truly bizarre, as you say. We've bought a lot of antenna stuff from Hyperlink in the past, but your experience sours me on doing business with them in the future. I've found that a lot of vendors to the WISP space are very helpful and will work with you, even if you (me in this case) possess no or wrong clues :). That's one of the things I've liked about doing this coop, feeling that there was a sense of community even with the vendors. I guess there are people who don't understand about customer service. That's OK, there are plenty that do and they'll get our biz. Bob John Scrivner wrote: I will pass along these final thoughts I have on the issues I had with Hyperlink. First of all I do not unduly burden my vendors and I pay for problems that I bring on myself. I also pay for support from vendors that I feel is beyond normal pre-sales support. The situation I had with them for the one and only purchase I ever made was for a shipment of 12 - 900 MHz yagis. These units were about 8 feet long and were designed to mount on the end to an eave or chimney, etc. The trouble is that they were enormous. I was not satisfied with them. I asked for a return / restocking fee whatever to send them back. That was denied. I asked for a credit towards another purchase. That was denied. Please note that all along we were not allowed to speak to a representative at all. This was their policy. Emails were rarely responded to without multiple attempts. We finally got someone to agree to a credit but when nailed down on the terms of the credit we were told that we would no longer be able to buy from Hyperlink now or in the future. We were banned from dong business with them. It was quite possibly one of the most bizarre experiences I have ever had with a seemingly well-known and recognized distributor. JohnnyO wrote: *snip* If someone gives refunds, thats a plus that shows they add value. But not giving refunds does not infer wrong doing. *snip* Tom - it is wrong doing when you ban someone for requesting a refund. Hell, I've never bought from Hyperlink and from seeing their ban policy with a few of the posts on here, we'll never do business with them in the future. I guess I am not the only one that takes this point of view either, so how much $$ did the ban on Scriv cost them actually ? :) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible? Blake, Its not that I disagree with you, that it is good business to take care of your customers. Nor am I defending Hyperlinktech, as we don't have enough business experience with them, to have a valid opinion. but... This isn't retail HomeDepot that we are talking about, this is distribution. In my 10 years experience previously in the distribution business, I can tell you there are not many companies that give refunds. We also found that the companies that couldn't understand why refunds was bad business for distributors, usually were the ones that didn't do enough volume to matter wether we lost them. I'm not saying that I personally do not believe in giving refunds. I also believe its best practice to take care of the customer, in most cases. But that does not change the fact that most dealers do NOT give refunds. Tessco, Talley. Hutton, Electrocomm. They may give refunds, but there significant hassle in getting it, that in most cases will be more costly to the buyer in time than the value of the refund. They also usually charge a higher profit margin on every sale than the smaller distributor that is competing on price, and therefore has more margin to justify eating the cost to give the refund. I bet the price received from Hyperlinktech was significantly less than that the Tesscos or Hutton's would have charged? When price drops, terms gets tougher. A distributor must determine which business they want to be in, and they can't be in both successfully. If in the price market they need to have price policies. Descretion needs to be taken out of the set policies, otherwise its impossible to manage RMA processes. There are many reasons strict policies need to be inforced for Refunds 1. Price constantly falls based on time. And even a week or s odone the road the cost of the product may have dropped. 2. People find something cheaper after the fact. 3. Sales people may have already been paid commissions. 4. If special order product, the vendor ends up getting stuck with the full cost of the product sitting in inventory for a long time, while price drops by the time someone wants the product. Guaranteed to sell the product at a loss as well as tie up cash flow. 5. People often irreputably return other vendor's products.
[WISPA] Tranzeo SNMP OID's
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 See http://forums.cacti.net/about12851.html and http://forums.cacti.net/about12438.html. See also http://asn1.elibel.tm.fr/cgi-bin/oid/display?oid=iso.2.840.10036.1submit=Displayaction=display for the iso section. iso.2.840.10036 appears to be a standard? and perhaps Tranzeo complied. FWIW. Bob See my comments embedded... system --- sysDescr Tranzeo TR6Rt, OS 6.3.34(1019), FW TR6-2.0.9Rt, 5.xGHz, 24dBi int. antenna sysObjectID enterprises.24575.1.1 sysUpTime 70727578 sysContact Contact sysName HillADL sysLocation Location sysServices 11 iso --- iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.1.1 00 0B 6B 37 7F 41 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.2.1 0 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.3.1 2 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.4.1 0 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.5.1 0 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.6.1 976 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.7.1 1 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.8.1 1 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.9.1 LCWNetCondesa iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.10.1 1 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.11.1 0C 12 18 24 30 48 60 6C iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.12.1 97 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.13.1 1 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.14.1 0 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.15.1 0 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.16.1 00 00 00 00 00 00 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.17.1 0 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.18.1 00 00 00 00 00 00 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.19.1 0 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.20.1 00 0B 6B 4C C3 6A iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.21.1 1 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.22.1 2 iso.2.840.10036.1.1.1.23.1 USO End of MIB mgmt --- sysDescr Tranzeo TR6Rt, OS 6.3.34(1019), FW TR6-2.0.9Rt, 5.xGHz, 24dBi int. antenna sysObjectID enterprises.24575.1.1 sysUpTime 70727655 sysContact Contact sysName HillADL sysLocation Location sysServices 11 ifNumber 3 // number of interfaces on the box? ifIndex.1 1 // mapping same ifIndex.2 2 ifIndex.3 3 ifDescr.1 WiFi802.11a // description of same ifDescr.2 Ethernet0 ifDescr.3 Ethernet1 ifType.1 71 // presumably atheros ifType.2 6 // wired ether ifType.3 6 ifMtu.1 1500 // MTU for the interface ifMtu.2 1500 ifMtu.3 1500 ifSpeed.1 10800 // Speed ifSpeed.2 0 ifSpeed.3 1 //... ifPhysAddress.1 0:b:6b:37:7f:41 // MAC address for interface ifPhysAddress.2 0:b:6b:37:7f:41 // These are bridged, that's why they're ifPhysAddress.3 0:b:6b:37:7f:41 // the same ifAdminStatus.1 1 // ??? ifAdminStatus.2 2 ifAdminStatus.3 1 ifOperStatus.1 1 // Probably 1 is OK ifOperStatus.2 2 ifOperStatus.3 1 ifLastChange.1 439 // ??? ifLastChange.2 0 ifLastChange.3 323 ifInOctets.1 Wrong Type (should be Counter32): 323 // This seems wierd ifInOctets.2 Wrong Type (should be Counter32): 0 ifInOctets.3 Wrong Type (should be Counter32): 49337 // As does this ifInUcastPkts.1 8678997 // Unicast packets seen ifInUcastPkts.2 0 ifInUcastPkts.3 433 // same? ifInNUcastPkts.1 2509166 // Multicast??? packets seen ifInNUcastPkts.2 0 ifInNUcastPkts.3 6 ifInDiscards.1 40 // floor litter ifInDiscards.2 0 ifInDiscards.3 0 ifInErrors.1 455562 // ... ifInErrors.2 0 ifInErrors.3 0 ifInUnknownProtos.1 0 ifInUnknownProtos.2 0 ifInUnknownProtos.3 0 ifOutOctets.1 Wrong Type (should be Counter32): 904570124 // more like it ifOutOctets.2 Wrong Type (should be Counter32): 3619 // at some point ifOutOctets.3 Wrong Type (should be Counter32): 291979 ifOutUcastPkts.1 5864499 // unicast out ifOutUcastPkts.2 0 ifOutUcastPkts.3 600 ifOutNUcastPkts.1 0 ifOutNUcastPkts.2 38 ifOutNUcastPkts.3 32 ifOutDiscards.1 0 ifOutDiscards.2 0 ifOutDiscards.3 0 ifOutErrors.1 4 ifOutErrors.2 38 ifOutErrors.3 0 ifOutQLen.1 0 ifOutQLen.2 0 ifOutQLen.3 0 ifSpecific.1 iso.2.840.10036 ifSpecific.2 zeroDotZero ifSpecific.3 zeroDotZero atIfIndex.1 1 atIfIndex.2 2 atIfIndex.3 3 atIfIndex.4 4 atIfIndex.5 5 atIfIndex.6 6 atIfIndex.7 7 atIfIndex.8 8 atIfIndex.9 9 atIfIndex.10 10 atIfIndex.11 11 atIfIndex.12 12 atIfIndex.13 13 atIfIndex.14 14 atIfIndex.15 15 atIfIndex.16 16 atIfIndex.17 17 atIfIndex.18 18 atIfIndex.19 19 atIfIndex.20 20 atIfIndex.21 21 atPhysAddress.1 00 40 F4 6F D0 36 // I would guess that these... atPhysAddress.2 00 02 6F 34 69 ED atPhysAddress.3 00 02 6F 34 6A 0B atPhysAddress.4 00 02 6F 34 B5 0B atPhysAddress.5 00 02 6F 3A 44 56 atPhysAddress.6 00 02 6F 36 AD FB atPhysAddress.7 00 02 6F 35 80 2C atPhysAddress.8 00 02 6F 34 B4 FF atPhysAddress.9 00 02 6F 38 59 B1 atPhysAddress.10 00 02 6F 37 6E 65 atPhysAddress.11 00 02 6F 36 AD FB atPhysAddress.12 00 02 6F 35 80 2C atPhysAddress.13 00 02 6F 34 6A 0B atPhysAddress.14 00 02 6F 37 6E 65 atPhysAddress.15 00 02 6F 34 B5 0B atPhysAddress.16 00 02 6F 34 69 ED atPhysAddress.17 00 C0 49 A8 E2 CA atPhysAddress.18 00 C0 49 A8 E2 CA atPhysAddress.19 00 C0 49 A8 E2 CA atPhysAddress.20 00 02 6F 38 59 B1 atPhysAddress.21 00 02 6F 35 80 2C atNetAddress.1 0A:B5:00:1F // are the MAC addresses for these in order atNetAddress.2 0A:B5:0B:38 atNetAddress.3 0A:B5:0A:0A atNetAddress.4 0A:B5:0A:16 atNetAddress.5 0A:B5:01:01 atNetAddress.6 0A:B5:0A:DE atNetAddress.7 0A:B5:0A:F2
Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up
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Hi Matt - I am definitely interested in why. We are tipping our toes
into the Tranzeo pond, and Airaya was a possibility.
I'm (negatively) impressed with the pics, of course.
Thanks,
Bob
Matt Glaves wrote:
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Hey Folks,
Last month I posted to the list asking about low cost 5Ghz bridges
and a few folks responded that I should check out Airaya. I decided
to give them a try based on some really excellent discounts from one
of our vendors. In short, I hate them J If you?re interested in
why, feel free to hit me off list..
We bought two complete links and before installing the first one I
cracked it open and took a picture of its high tech innards to share
with this list. I hope this helps those looking at sub $3k PTP
bridges.
http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0714.JPG
http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0712.JPG
thanks,
matt
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*From:* Matt Glaves
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:50 PM
*To:* 'wireless@wispa.org'
*Subject:* Solectek Skyway 7000
I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at either
trying their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building
to building links. I have seen enough favorable posts about the
Atlas to know plenty of you are using it successfully ? although I
sure wish I could get one of their sales folks to return a phone
call. Leave a message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls
back Anyway J
I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000. This would be for
very short .5 mile links between buildings. We would normally use
Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with
similar capabilities and 20-40% lower cost. Any info/opinions on
reliability and real world throughput would be great.
Thanks,
Matt
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[Fwd: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up]
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My apologies to the list. I didn't check the reply-to before I pulled
the trigger.
Bob
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:59:51 -0700
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Hi Matt - I am definitely interested in why. We are tipping our toes
into the Tranzeo pond, and Airaya was a possibility.
I'm (negatively) impressed with the pics, of course.
Thanks,
Bob
Matt Glaves wrote:
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Hey Folks,
Last month I posted to the list asking about low cost 5Ghz bridges
and a few folks responded that I should check out Airaya. I
decided to give them a try based on some really excellent discounts
from one of our vendors. In short, I hate them J If you?re
interested in why, feel free to hit me off list..
We bought two complete links and before installing the first one I
cracked it open and took a picture of its high tech innards to
share with this list. I hope this helps those looking at sub $3k
PTP bridges.
http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0714.JPG
http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0712.JPG
thanks,
matt
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*From:* Matt Glaves *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:50 PM
*To:* 'wireless@wispa.org' *Subject:* Solectek Skyway 7000
I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at either
trying their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short
building to building links. I have seen enough favorable posts
about the Atlas to know plenty of you are using it successfully ?
although I sure wish I could get one of their sales folks to return
a phone call. Leave a message about buying 250 CPEs and no one
calls back Anyway J
I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000. This would be for
very short .5 mile links between buildings. We would normally
use Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with
similar capabilities and 20-40% lower cost. Any info/opinions on
reliability and real world throughput would be great.
Thanks,
Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Customer owned wireless coop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We are doing something similar. La Cañada Wireless Association (www.lcwireless.net), located in rural NM, S/SE of Santa Fe. Terrain here seemed pretty flat when we started but seems to have gotten real up and down since :). We have about 150 members paying $40 per month with 3 megabits upstream in 2 locations. Coverage is about 400 square miles or so. We started about 3.5 years ago with about 16 members. We first needed enough people to fund the $900 per month needed for a T-1 at $60 per month each. We had some loaned equipment (Wave) for AP's. Our startup costs were in the neighborhood of $8000-12000, since paid back to the funders. People buy their own CPE. Installation by volunteers. Support by volunteers. We've had a steep learning curve, plus some infrastructure problems which I think we've beaten into submission. We have found that some people prefer us, even though DSL (as of late) and Comcast are alternatives for some. One person even funded a solar-power access point (we have 3 so far) so he could flush Starband (the coop's paid him back for that). For others, we are the only link to the world. They're off the grid, have spotty cell coverage and no landline phone. But they've got high-speed internet. Those are the people that make me happy to have started this. We're still waiting for the IRS on our 501(c)12 application, but our lawyer was OK with our model. We do our own bookkeeping (volunteer elected treasurer, countersigned checks, so far no problems). We are also willing to function as an umbrella for other local groups, although that hasn't happened (yet). Another option is money through USDA, but that probably takes a heckuva long time. Your model sounds eminently reasonable and doable. I'd say go for it. You're in the business, know your costs for field support, equipment, etc. which removes a lot of the uncertainty from things. Bob Pete Davis wrote: There is a town (Yorktown, TX) with about 1200 people in it, about 15 miles away from our main pop in our county. We have not pursued a backhaul to there, or putting out a POP. We are very busy putting subs on our existing POPs and maintaining them.We have been offered roof rights in down town in trade for free internet. The town is poorer than average (way more mobile homes than frame/brick homes, more people than average on welfare, etc) The town is smaller than average, and there aren't many businesses in the town. Nonetheless, we do get at least a new call a week from the 20 or so people in town interested in broadband. There is no competition, EXCEPT dsl in the 2 mile circle right in the middle of downtown (not within most of the population) What we were thinking is this: Let us create a wireless cooperative and let the 20 potential subs buy shares for $500 each. The $10k will buy them a wireless backhaul (to my main tower), an AP tower, and an AP, 20 (coop owned) CPE, and enough manpower for us to deploy. The $40/mo (x1.5 for business customers) that they each pay will go toward buy bandwidth from us, pay for the manpower needed to deal with service calls, etc. Any profits left at the end of the year (over a capital equipment fund) get split with the coop members in the form of a dividend check, and maybe a barbeque. Maybe the non-coop member subscriber rate could be $49.00 (x1.5 for business) and they would still pay a $200 setup fee. Coop members wouldn't need to be subscribers, and subscribers wouldn't need to be coop members. A part time bookeeper would be needed to keep everything straight, although we could just keep those records with our books, but they should be audited anually. The Dewitt County Producers Coop is a feed store that sells feed, ranch supplies, baby chicks, baby fish (for stock tanks), tractor tires and parts, and other farm-ey stuff. Members and non-members can buy there, though members get an annual dividend based on their purchases (2% or something). Its a large operation, but DeWitt County is like the 4th largest beef cattle producing county in Texas (the largest beef cattle producing state). They have been very successful, in spite of having competition, and I think a wireless internet deployment could be financially modeled the same way. Its not that I don't want to get the profits for myself, but the return on a $10k (or $20k) deployment could be several years in a market that small. Anyone else doing anything like this? Pete Davis NoDial.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDtrWO09OzCOxY0TcRArQzAJ0TlHHAlXvgzVM+FHhFckSy6EIiKwCcCQoA jRK34HEk97BAS5akbs8FFZY= =Sm5x -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Bob Knight n:Knight;Bob email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:505.667.4300 tel;home:505.466.4548 tel;cell:505.310.8409 version:2.1 end:vcard -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
