Re: [WISPA] coax cables
Dude That is not what I was commenting on. You made the following blanket statement regarding radio links and waveguide: If you have any distance at all to go, and you want it to work, you have no choice. That is the statement YOU made with your 5 million years of experience. THAT statement could not be father from the truth. There are other choices and they are more cost effective. THAT was the statement that would seriously confuse the less educated population regarding the wireless/RF part of the WISP installation. And when I talk about less educated I don't mean someone is stupid. I mean they do not have or have a very limited knowledge base regarding RF and read this list for information. For anyone that doesn't know better they could think the only way they can make a link work is to use eliptical waveguide. And that is incorrect. There are tens of thousands of links running on Heliax/LMR cable and I am NOT talking IF freq here. I'm talking RF out to the antenna. And BTW.My theory of WORK is it does what it is advertised to do with 20 dB of fade regardless of freq band. Puff and Grunt all you want..You're wrong. :-P -B- On 8/20/08 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a passive device, (like a transmission line) the noise figure is equal to its attenuation. Sorry for confusing all you less educated people. I guess this isn't the forum for answers that actually hold up to scutiny. [puffs out chest and grunts] (I guess my 5000 carrier grade links and my 500 miles of licensed microwave and my 30 years of doing this doesn't count as experience). Sheesh... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables I guess I need to go back to all my customers and remove their equipment IMHO the statement you made cannot be from experience. I have more than 500 carrier grade links in the air carrying IP and TDM traffic with cable runs up to 150' of 5/8 heliax without a hickup. It just depends on how its engineered. Making the statement below is incorrect and only confuses the less educated population on this list Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:00:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables If you have any distance at all to go, and you want it to work, you have no choice. Transmission line loss adds DIRECTLY to receiver noise figure. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables Eliptical waeguide is also $13 a foot, connectors are over $200 each, you need a bunch of special hardware to hang it and a dehydrator or nitrogen system to keep it dry. I just don't picture the WRAP board group buying waveguide Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:49:24 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables Elliptical waveguide will lose 3 dB in 250 feet. - Original Message - From: Mike Brownson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] coax cables To give you the facts. You can use just about any coax you want. But you will have loss. The smaller the cable the higher the loss. Examples: RG8 lose 3 db in 17 ft LMR400 lose 3db in 26 ft LMR600 lose 3 db in 40 ft 1/2 heliax lose 3 db in 49 ft LMR900 lose 3 db in 60 ft 5/8 heliax lose 3 db in 64 ft Remember that for every 6dB in loss you lose half your transmit and receive range. So with 34 ft of RG 8 instead of 5 miles you get 2.5. So use whatever cable you can get away with and still have the performance you need. If you need every miliwatt to be useful then use coax only as a short jumper. Mike B On 8/19/08 9:45 PM, Matt Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 2,/(:4 32* 4:+3( Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] coax cables I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be used on 5GHz? -RickG - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - ---
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Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
Wow Bitch and complain about WISPA's position and actions (your view) and complain about sucking up for federal funds but you are real quick to use this WISPA sponsored and paid for list for your own self benefit. Talk about self-righteous bullshit! Practice what you preach dude! Go jump back in the pond. Aren't frogs suppose to hibernate for the winter? Give it a try. Maybe things will be more to your liking in the spring. If not it will at least give us all a break from the soap opera going on here. Close this freakin' thread already Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as a value added or revenue improving service? Was it a success or failure? insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1U case for Mikrotik RB450G?
Wow. Thats pretty Nice job Gino Villarini wrote: Do you like this one? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 1U case for Mikrotik RB450G? I have yet to see one. The only suggestion I can make is a home fabrication. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Anyone know where I can get a 1U rackmount case for a RB450/450G? I'm looking for something like the Hana Wireless 1U case for the RB493 that Streakwave carries. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT Question....
Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy, not the network guy. But its kind of on topic because its connected to a wireless link. :-) What does this tell everybody??? Its from a Cisco 2960 switch. Oct 27 08:12:18.407 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 08:12:19.455 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 13:52:16.606 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 13:52:18.661 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 14:15:10.273 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 14:15:11.314 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 16:26:29.667 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up I know the gig port is going up and down but does it tell you anything else? Tnx. -B- -B- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Question....
So this is showing a hard disconnect? No chance the port was shut off? Any chance its a bad GBIC ? Tnx -B- Jason Hensley wrote: Don't know that there's much more you could get from this other than just up/down. Seems like a strong possibility of a bad cable to me, but of course, many other possibilities. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT Question Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy, not the network guy. But its kind of on topic because its connected to a wireless link. :-) What does this tell everybody??? Its from a Cisco 2960 switch. Oct 27 08:12:18.407 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 08:12:19.455 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 13:52:16.606 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 13:52:18.661 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 14:15:10.273 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 14:15:11.314 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 16:26:29.667 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up I know the gig port is going up and down but does it tell you anything else? Tnx. -B- -B- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Question....
To All, OK Its a fiber interface. The system has been working fine. Configuration is this: 2960 --- fiber --- Gig Radio 60ghz Gig Radio ---fiber 2960 The interface went down twice in the same day. The radio never went down. the fiber tests fine and no one has screwed with it. They are short runs. This is a new deployment that has been up for about 6 weeks. Fiber is all multimode 62.5 mm. It has not been intermittent. It just went down hard twice one day and has been fine since. And when it went down it went down at 8:15 am and came back up at 2pm then went back down at 2pm and came back up at 4:30 and has been fine since. Both sites are rooftop locations and it was raining the day the event happened so no one was working in the vacinity of the equipment. And it has rained on and off here for the past 3 weeks with no issues otherwise so I am ruling out weather. The radio link never goes down. Ever. So its not rain taking out the 60 Ghz. hop. OK Teaching moment... :-) For those of you that are not aware most Gigabit radios when they loose their RF link shut down their gig ports on both sides to indicate a hard failure. This obviously expedites things like OSPF and such for rerouting. Just really weird -B- Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Hi Bob, This shows the port simply going up and down. And noting more. Is this a Fiber Port ? Or Copper ? If copper, then the wire needs to be tested, (no loose connector, right kind of cable, cat6, and the cable not exceeding 300ft,etc.) If it is fiber then, check the fiber, clean the fiber, check the SFP/GBIC, clear them, reseat them, confirm that you are using right cable (single mode or MultiMode) and the SFP/GBIC's Match, and depending on the length of cable, make sure your light levels are good, there is no kink in cable etc) Don't mix MultiMode cables with Single Mode Cables Connectors.. TIP, fiber cables / SFP/GBIC, you can test each side by doing a LoopBack on the Far end... To do a loopback in fiber world, you just have to find a way to connect the two ends of the fiber cable together. Additionally, you may want to setup the devices on both side to be Fixed 1000FDX rather than Auto negotiate. Regards Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT Question Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy, not the network guy. But its kind of on topic because its connected to a wireless link. :-) What does this tell everybody??? Its from a Cisco 2960 switch. Oct 27 08:12:18.407 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 08:12:19.455 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 13:52:16.606 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 13:52:18.661 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 14:15:10.273 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 14:15:11.314 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 16:26:29.667 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up I know the gig port is going up and down but does it tell you anything else? Tnx. -B- -B- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Question....
Its fiber. And I would think if it was an autonegotiate issue it would have been intermittent all along. It has been operating pretty nuch error free other than this event. But I guess I could try the ferrite beads on the fiber. Hey..It wouldn't hurt. :-P Tnx Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've had that happen here when I picked up a LOT of RF on an ethernet cable. I've also seen it when a device didn't auto negotiate correctly with a Cisco switch (they seem to suck). I now force all of my Cisco switches to a set port speed rather than allowing auto negotiation. Just for kicks, replaces both ends, maybe the cable too. I've also started putting Ferrite beads on a lot of things. That seems to greatly help my ethernet stability. I also saw a port do this after a storm, I tried a different port and it's fine, so port damage from a power event of some kind. Hope that helps, marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:14 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT Question Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy, not the network guy. But its kind of on topic because its connected to a wireless link. :-) What does this tell everybody??? Its from a Cisco 2960 switch. Oct 27 08:12:18.407 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 08:12:19.455 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 13:52:16.606 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 13:52:18.661 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 14:15:10.273 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 14:15:11.314 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 16:26:29.667 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up I know the gig port is going up and down but does it tell you anything else? Tnx. -B- -B- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Question....
They are a block away. The rain was light and only occurred for a few hours that day. It rained like hell over the weekend without a hiccup. We also have 7 other 60 Ghz hops within the same 10 block radius with longer paths and they did not hiccup during the same time period. This link is the shortest. And I have radio logs from the one side which shows great RSSI and current draw so it was receiving and should have been transmitting. I have to add that I have switch logs from the other side and it shows that the side I can monitor the radio logs on during the outage went out first and the other side followed about 12 ms later. When the port comes back up it does the same thing. The radio monitored side then the far end. -B- Bret Clark wrote: How close are these links? We find that at 0.10 in/hr of rain fall will cause our 60GHz link to drop and because of the Ethernet follows Wireless setting this also drops our Ethernet connection, normally we only see this in hard rain. On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 10:55 -0400, Bob Moldashel wrote: To All, OK Its a fiber interface. The system has been working fine. Configuration is this: 2960 --- fiber --- Gig Radio 60ghz Gig Radio ---fiber 2960 The interface went down twice in the same day. The radio never went down. the fiber tests fine and no one has screwed with it. They are short runs. This is a new deployment that has been up for about 6 weeks. Fiber is all multimode 62.5 mm. It has not been intermittent. It just went down hard twice one day and has been fine since. And when it went down it went down at 8:15 am and came back up at 2pm then went back down at 2pm and came back up at 4:30 and has been fine since. Both sites are rooftop locations and it was raining the day the event happened so no one was working in the vacinity of the equipment. And it has rained on and off here for the past 3 weeks with no issues otherwise so I am ruling out weather. The radio link never goes down. Ever. So its not rain taking out the 60 Ghz. hop. OK Teaching moment... :-) For those of you that are not aware most Gigabit radios when they loose their RF link shut down their gig ports on both sides to indicate a hard failure. This obviously expedites things like OSPF and such for rerouting. Just really weird -B- Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Hi Bob, This shows the port simply going up and down. And noting more. Is this a Fiber Port ? Or Copper ? If copper, then the wire needs to be tested, (no loose connector, right kind of cable, cat6, and the cable not exceeding 300ft,etc.) If it is fiber then, check the fiber, clean the fiber, check the SFP/GBIC, clear them, reseat them, confirm that you are using right cable (single mode or MultiMode) and the SFP/GBIC's Match, and depending on the length of cable, make sure your light levels are good, there is no kink in cable etc) Don't mix MultiMode cables with Single Mode Cables Connectors.. TIP, fiber cables / SFP/GBIC, you can test each side by doing a LoopBack on the Far end... To do a loopback in fiber world, you just have to find a way to connect the two ends of the fiber cable together. Additionally, you may want to setup the devices on both side to be Fixed 1000FDX rather than Auto negotiate. Regards Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT Question Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy, not the network guy. But its kind of on topic because its connected to a wireless link. :-) What does this tell everybody??? Its from a Cisco 2960 switch. Oct 27 08:12:18.407 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 08:12:19.455 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 13:52:16.606 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 13:52:18.661 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 14:15:10.273 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 14:15:11.314 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 16:26:29.667 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up I know the gig port is going up and down but does it tell you anything else? Tnx. -B- -B- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OT Question....
No Marlon K. Schafer wrote: That almost sounds like someone *physically* unplugging the devices. Did any of you show up during the outage? (I assume yes but have to ask) marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Question To All, OK Its a fiber interface. The system has been working fine. Configuration is this: 2960 --- fiber --- Gig Radio 60ghz Gig Radio ---fiber 2960 The interface went down twice in the same day. The radio never went down. the fiber tests fine and no one has screwed with it. They are short runs. This is a new deployment that has been up for about 6 weeks. Fiber is all multimode 62.5 mm. It has not been intermittent. It just went down hard twice one day and has been fine since. And when it went down it went down at 8:15 am and came back up at 2pm then went back down at 2pm and came back up at 4:30 and has been fine since. Both sites are rooftop locations and it was raining the day the event happened so no one was working in the vacinity of the equipment. And it has rained on and off here for the past 3 weeks with no issues otherwise so I am ruling out weather. The radio link never goes down. Ever. So its not rain taking out the 60 Ghz. hop. OK Teaching moment... :-) For those of you that are not aware most Gigabit radios when they loose their RF link shut down their gig ports on both sides to indicate a hard failure. This obviously expedites things like OSPF and such for rerouting. Just really weird -B- Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Hi Bob, This shows the port simply going up and down. And noting more. Is this a Fiber Port ? Or Copper ? If copper, then the wire needs to be tested, (no loose connector, right kind of cable, cat6, and the cable not exceeding 300ft,etc.) If it is fiber then, check the fiber, clean the fiber, check the SFP/GBIC, clear them, reseat them, confirm that you are using right cable (single mode or MultiMode) and the SFP/GBIC's Match, and depending on the length of cable, make sure your light levels are good, there is no kink in cable etc) Don't mix MultiMode cables with Single Mode Cables Connectors.. TIP, fiber cables / SFP/GBIC, you can test each side by doing a LoopBack on the Far end... To do a loopback in fiber world, you just have to find a way to connect the two ends of the fiber cable together. Additionally, you may want to setup the devices on both side to be Fixed 1000FDX rather than Auto negotiate. Regards Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT Question Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy, not the network guy. But its kind of on topic because its connected to a wireless link. :-) What does this tell everybody??? Its from a Cisco 2960 switch. Oct 27 08:12:18.407 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 08:12:19.455 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 13:52:16.606 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 13:52:18.661 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 14:15:10.273 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 14:15:11.314 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 16:26:29.667 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up I know the gig port is going up and down but does it tell you anything else? Tnx. -B- -B- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] OT Question....
Its on a commercial rooftop on both sides. Ladies from the cleaning union don't go up there. The cabinets are locked. The rooftops are alarmed and on CCTV on both sides. And it was a crappy day so nobody was out there sunning themselves. And it hasn't happened since. :-) I figured it out with further prodding of the network people. Seems the port is throwing a crapload of CRC errors but only intermittently. Sooo we will go back and look at the fiber, swap out patch cables, swap out the GBIC and last but not least swap out the radio. Thanks for everyones input. -B- Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Perhaps this is a case of vandalism? Especially since it only happened during the time when people would be in the building. Or maybe the cleaning lady bumped something? marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Question No Marlon K. Schafer wrote: That almost sounds like someone *physically* unplugging the devices. Did any of you show up during the outage? (I assume yes but have to ask) marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Question To All, OK Its a fiber interface. The system has been working fine. Configuration is this: 2960 --- fiber --- Gig Radio 60ghz Gig Radio ---fiber 2960 The interface went down twice in the same day. The radio never went down. the fiber tests fine and no one has screwed with it. They are short runs. This is a new deployment that has been up for about 6 weeks. Fiber is all multimode 62.5 mm. It has not been intermittent. It just went down hard twice one day and has been fine since. And when it went down it went down at 8:15 am and came back up at 2pm then went back down at 2pm and came back up at 4:30 and has been fine since. Both sites are rooftop locations and it was raining the day the event happened so no one was working in the vacinity of the equipment. And it has rained on and off here for the past 3 weeks with no issues otherwise so I am ruling out weather. The radio link never goes down. Ever. So its not rain taking out the 60 Ghz. hop. OK Teaching moment... :-) For those of you that are not aware most Gigabit radios when they loose their RF link shut down their gig ports on both sides to indicate a hard failure. This obviously expedites things like OSPF and such for rerouting. Just really weird -B- Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Hi Bob, This shows the port simply going up and down. And noting more. Is this a Fiber Port ? Or Copper ? If copper, then the wire needs to be tested, (no loose connector, right kind of cable, cat6, and the cable not exceeding 300ft,etc.) If it is fiber then, check the fiber, clean the fiber, check the SFP/GBIC, clear them, reseat them, confirm that you are using right cable (single mode or MultiMode) and the SFP/GBIC's Match, and depending on the length of cable, make sure your light levels are good, there is no kink in cable etc) Don't mix MultiMode cables with Single Mode Cables Connectors.. TIP, fiber cables / SFP/GBIC, you can test each side by doing a LoopBack on the Far end... To do a loopback in fiber world, you just have to find a way to connect the two ends of the fiber cable together. Additionally, you may want to setup the devices on both side to be Fixed 1000FDX rather than Auto negotiate. Regards Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT Question Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy, not the network guy. But its kind of on topic because its connected to a wireless link. :-) What does this tell everybody??? Its from a Cisco 2960 switch. Oct 27 08:12:18.407 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 08:12:19.455 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 13:52:16.606 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 13:52:18.661 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 14:15:10.273 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 14:15:11.314 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 16:26:29.667 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up I know the gig port is going up and down but does it tell you anything else
Re: [WISPA] OT Question....
Been there Done that. Had a power supply under a desk running a system once. We thought the customer was shutting it off every couple of weekends. Turned out to be cleaning people pushing the vacuum under the desk would hit the on/off switch. Turned the power supply to the side..No more problems. :-) -B- Brad Belton wrote: I still gotta side with Marlon on this one...cleaning ladies WILL cause CRC errors. This is networking 101 Bob, I'm disappointed in you...sigh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Question Its on a commercial rooftop on both sides. Ladies from the cleaning union don't go up there. The cabinets are locked. The rooftops are alarmed and on CCTV on both sides. And it was a crappy day so nobody was out there sunning themselves. And it hasn't happened since. :-) I figured it out with further prodding of the network people. Seems the port is throwing a crapload of CRC errors but only intermittently. Sooo we will go back and look at the fiber, swap out patch cables, swap out the GBIC and last but not least swap out the radio. Thanks for everyones input. -B- Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Perhaps this is a case of vandalism? Especially since it only happened during the time when people would be in the building. Or maybe the cleaning lady bumped something? marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Question No Marlon K. Schafer wrote: That almost sounds like someone *physically* unplugging the devices. Did any of you show up during the outage? (I assume yes but have to ask) marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Question To All, OK Its a fiber interface. The system has been working fine. Configuration is this: 2960 --- fiber --- Gig Radio 60ghz Gig Radio ---fiber 2960 The interface went down twice in the same day. The radio never went down. the fiber tests fine and no one has screwed with it. They are short runs. This is a new deployment that has been up for about 6 weeks. Fiber is all multimode 62.5 mm. It has not been intermittent. It just went down hard twice one day and has been fine since. And when it went down it went down at 8:15 am and came back up at 2pm then went back down at 2pm and came back up at 4:30 and has been fine since. Both sites are rooftop locations and it was raining the day the event happened so no one was working in the vacinity of the equipment. And it has rained on and off here for the past 3 weeks with no issues otherwise so I am ruling out weather. The radio link never goes down. Ever. So its not rain taking out the 60 Ghz. hop. OK Teaching moment... :-) For those of you that are not aware most Gigabit radios when they loose their RF link shut down their gig ports on both sides to indicate a hard failure. This obviously expedites things like OSPF and such for rerouting. Just really weird -B- Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Hi Bob, This shows the port simply going up and down. And noting more. Is this a Fiber Port ? Or Copper ? If copper, then the wire needs to be tested, (no loose connector, right kind of cable, cat6, and the cable not exceeding 300ft,etc.) If it is fiber then, check the fiber, clean the fiber, check the SFP/GBIC, clear them, reseat them, confirm that you are using right cable (single mode or MultiMode) and the SFP/GBIC's Match, and depending on the length of cable, make sure your light levels are good, there is no kink in cable etc) Don't mix MultiMode cables with Single Mode Cables Connectors.. TIP, fiber cables / SFP/GBIC, you can test each side by doing a LoopBack on the Far end... To do a loopback in fiber world, you just have to find a way to connect the two ends of the fiber cable together. Additionally, you may want to setup the devices on both side to be Fixed 1000FDX rather than Auto negotiate. Regards Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT Question Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy
Re: [WISPA] Halloween request
Terrorist Attack???Near Troy Ohio??? I don't think so :-) Josh Luthman wrote: It's Friday about 2PM. Three of your customers in the same town go down suddenly. They haven't called and it's been almost 20 minutes. Terrorist attack??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: It's Spooky Funny Friday It's time to post your Spooky Tech Tails for all to shake and quiver at. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sorry..Long Story
WOW. I HATE Bees I bet that was fun when you opened that up! Reminds me of when I installed a system in North Carolina about 15 years ago. We installed some equipment in a communications shed (and I mean shed!) at the base of a tower. Picture this 300' guyed tower in the middle of a field with a 10' x 15' wooden shed underneath it. The grass is like waist high. the whole time I am walking up to this thing I am thinking ticks and bees. So I unlock the door and turn the light on and do a quick look around inside. I wait about 15 seconds and finally feel at ease that there are no bees waiting inside for me. The shed has around 10 radio repeater cabinets inside and the walls are covered in insulation. There are wires and transmission line all over the place. No sheetrock. In addition the ceiling also was covered in insulation but whoever put it up probably spent a whole 10 minutes doing it. Several sections were hanging down. The lighting really sucked. One 60 watt light bulb screwed into a ceramic base. And with some of the insulation hanging down around it some of the shed was pretty dark. I remember it was cool outside and windy so the guy I was working with decided to close the door so it would be a little warmer. 10 repeater cabinets, some with high power paging transmitters, create a lot of heat so it made a big difference with the door closed. So we start to mount a plywood backboard to the studs of the back wall so we would have something to mount our wall mount equipment cabinet to. I am drilling in deck screws when the battery operated Hilt drill gun dies. Being lazy and not wanting to go back out to the truck 1/4 mile across the the windy, tall grass field in the middle of no-name North Carolina the guy I am working with decides to hit the screws in with a hammer. This was NOT a good idea! On the third wack a section of insulation on the ceiling by the door falls down and this 50' BLACK SNAKE ( he was really only about 2-3' ) falls to the floor between us and the door! Suddenly my fear of bees fell to the number 2 position. We both screamed like little girls (the snake was a mute but he had his mouth open too!). We knew we had to get out of there. All I could think of was SNAKE BITE, POISON, ANTIVENOM, HELICOPTER, MEDEVAC, PAIN, NO CELL PHONE SERVICE, etc in about 1/2 second. Suddenly my guy grabs a piece of 2x3 wood stud to beat this snake to a pulp. ANOTHER BAD IDEA He swings the stud and hits the light bulb and its lights out in this freakin' snake infested casket And 100ms later I feel this THING slide across the top of my work boot and I was mobile! I pushed the other guy to one side and ran towards the last known location of the door. What I didn't know was the insulation was hanging in front of the door after he swung the stud and I ran face first into it about 3' from the door. Of course I was not expecting ANYTHING to hit my face so I started swinging like mad, got disoriented and realized that the door wasn't where it was. I stopped moving. He stopped moving. We decided to feel around for something familiar so we could get our bearings. Of course the whole time we are doing this we are thinking the snake is on the floor. WRONG! My guy reaches out and touches one of the repeater cabinets and says he knows where the door is and orients me. While he has his hand on top of the cabinet THE SNAKE SLIDES ACROSS IT He screams and we both bolt to the door and out into the field. To say the least I did not go back in. He called me all kinds of names and as a result (and the fact that I was his boss) he finished all the indoor work with the door wide open and mason's boots on. And he was very gentle and quiet. I don't know what happened to the snake but if I was him I would be around the Panama Canal right now. I'm sure he was just as scared as us but I didn't hang around to interview him. Always be careful no matter what you are doing. And Happy Halloween -B- Faisal Imtiaz wrote: I believe that this was the original inspiration for the BeeHive Antenna !! LOL !! Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Halloween request I can't believe no one's had a ghost pass them in the attic or a snake in a server etc: Here's ours from last October. Thank goodness it was a cool morning. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Halloween request It's Spooky Funny Friday It's time to post your Spooky Tech Tails for all to shake and quiver at.
Re: [WISPA] Sorry..Long Story
Yeah...Thanks .Its funny now. It wasn't then. :-) -B- RickG wrote: Bob, thats the most you've written in a long time! Great story! -RickG On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: WOW. I HATE Bees I bet that was fun when you opened that up! Reminds me of when I installed a system in North Carolina about 15 years ago. We installed some equipment in a communications shed (and I mean shed!) at the base of a tower. Picture this 300' guyed tower in the middle of a field with a 10' x 15' wooden shed underneath it. The grass is like waist high. the whole time I am walking up to this thing I am thinking ticks and bees. So I unlock the door and turn the light on and do a quick look around inside. I wait about 15 seconds and finally feel at ease that there are no bees waiting inside for me. The shed has around 10 radio repeater cabinets inside and the walls are covered in insulation. There are wires and transmission line all over the place. No sheetrock. In addition the ceiling also was covered in insulation but whoever put it up probably spent a whole 10 minutes doing it. Several sections were hanging down. The lighting really sucked. One 60 watt light bulb screwed into a ceramic base. And with some of the insulation hanging down around it some of the shed was pretty dark. I remember it was cool outside and windy so the guy I was working with decided to close the door so it would be a little warmer. 10 repeater cabinets, some with high power paging transmitters, create a lot of heat so it made a big difference with the door closed. So we start to mount a plywood backboard to the studs of the back wall so we would have something to mount our wall mount equipment cabinet to. I am drilling in deck screws when the battery operated Hilt drill gun dies. Being lazy and not wanting to go back out to the truck 1/4 mile across the the windy, tall grass field in the middle of no-name North Carolina the guy I am working with decides to hit the screws in with a hammer. This was NOT a good idea! On the third wack a section of insulation on the ceiling by the door falls down and this 50' BLACK SNAKE ( he was really only about 2-3' ) falls to the floor between us and the door! Suddenly my fear of bees fell to the number 2 position. We both screamed like little girls (the snake was a mute but he had his mouth open too!). We knew we had to get out of there. All I could think of was SNAKE BITE, POISON, ANTIVENOM, HELICOPTER, MEDEVAC, PAIN, NO CELL PHONE SERVICE, etc in about 1/2 second. Suddenly my guy grabs a piece of 2x3 wood stud to beat this snake to a pulp. ANOTHER BAD IDEA He swings the stud and hits the light bulb and its lights out in this freakin' snake infested casket And 100ms later I feel this THING slide across the top of my work boot and I was mobile! I pushed the other guy to one side and ran towards the last known location of the door. What I didn't know was the insulation was hanging in front of the door after he swung the stud and I ran face first into it about 3' from the door. Of course I was not expecting ANYTHING to hit my face so I started swinging like mad, got disoriented and realized that the door wasn't where it was. I stopped moving. He stopped moving. We decided to feel around for something familiar so we could get our bearings. Of course the whole time we are doing this we are thinking the snake is on the floor. WRONG! My guy reaches out and touches one of the repeater cabinets and says he knows where the door is and orients me. While he has his hand on top of the cabinet THE SNAKE SLIDES ACROSS IT He screams and we both bolt to the door and out into the field. To say the least I did not go back in. He called me all kinds of names and as a result (and the fact that I was his boss) he finished all the indoor work with the door wide open and mason's boots on. And he was very gentle and quiet. I don't know what happened to the snake but if I was him I would be around the Panama Canal right now. I'm sure he was just as scared as us but I didn't hang around to interview him. Always be careful no matter what you are doing. And Happy Halloween -B- Faisal Imtiaz wrote: I believe that this was the original inspiration for the BeeHive Antenna !! LOL !! Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Halloween request I can't believe no one's had a ghost pass them in the attic or a snake in a server etc: Here's ours from last October. Thank goodness it was a cool morning. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:19 AM
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Probably because they are putting all their money into antenna design instead of website hosting.. :-) -B- Eric Rogers wrote: I just went to their website, and it is down...doesn't give me warm and fuzzies... :) Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ruckus Wireless has beamforming (i.e. smart antenna technology)... does it on a packet by packet basis. But it's a WiFi system (although from what I understand its being deployed overseas now in Muni-Wifi situations... I just proposed to someone using Ubquity Nanostations to them). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Correction, under the 3 for one rule you can go UP 3 dB in antenna gain for every 1 dB of radio transmit power that you go down, but only for client side or ptp installations. It STARTS at 30 dB radio and 6dB antenna. So if you have a 30dB radio, it's a 6dB antenna. 29dB radio you can use a 9dB antenna. 28-12 27-15 26-18 25-21 24-24 This is the one that excited me years ago. This meant I could use a quarter watt amp, 24dB with a 24dB grid for a ptp link! That'll give you a -72dB rssi (54 meg speeds!) at 100 miles! Get this one, -78dB rssi at 200 (not a typo, two HUNDRED MILES)! I love big antennas! grin Again, this is only for 2.4 client side installs (radio only talks to ONE other radio). There is a bit of an exception to this rule based on smart antenna technology. One that no one has successfully used (as far as I know). Vivato and Nivini tried. We (WISPA) did get the FCC to issue a written interpretation of the rules allowing us to use routed AP's as a substitute for active beam steering systems (in the end it has the same effect). In theory we COULD ring a building with 24dB grid antennas with 24dB radios for a 42 WATT system and still be within the power level rules. In reality though, antennas are too leaky and you'd be hard pressed to avoid massive self inflicted interference. I always wanted to try building a system like this though! grin. (disclaimer, it's been a while since I studied that part of the rules, the max output power could be lower than 42 watts.) laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions EIRP is a TRANSMIT number. Equivalent isotropic RADIATED power. This is the radiated power on transmit in dBm leaving the transmit antenna in the favored direction compared to the power that would be radiated if 1 milliwatt (0 dBm) were fed into a theoretical isotropic antenna that had 0 dBi (no) gain in any direction. EIRP = TX power (minus) transmission line loss (plus) antenna gain = EIRP Further, 2.4 GHz allows more than 6 dBi antennas even with 1-watt radios under the 3:1 rule for point-to-point use. This is why CPE can run more than +36 dBm because the CPE are effectively point-to-point radios talking to only one access point. The AP is NOT a point-to-point radio therefore it is limited a maximum EIRP of +36 dBm. 5.8 GHz allows more than 6 dBi antennas with 1-watt radios for point- to-point use. That's how those long 5.8 GHz backhauls can be made to work reliably. jack Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yeah. People all too often forget that eirp is a RECEIVE number not a TRANSMIT number. All it takes is big, big ears and you can hear the other end from a very long ways away. Makes for much less noise in the area too. I hate the trend toward high power radios with low power antennas. You guys do realize that 2.4, 900 and 5.8 gig bands limit you to a 6 (that's S-I-X) dB antenna if you use a 1 watt (30 dB) radio? Base station especially. For CPE you can use higher gain cpe antennas on 5 gig and still be OK within the rules. But all of these stupid, noisy, wasteful, cpe systems with 1 watt radios and 19dB panels make a mess of your networks. (and mine) marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 30 dB EIRP with a 44 DBi antenna on each side over 73 miles produces - 75 signal. I'll let him say what he did to make it work, but it's certainly possible. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing
Re: [WISPA] Water sealing in cold weather
Wow... I wish I had a dollar for every time this subject is discussed. I would be in the Caribbean right now. :-) Its kinda like the Windows/Linux discussion... -B- RickG wrote: Ditto. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Coax seal. On 1/11/10, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Our luck hasn't been good with that. Other ideas / possibilities? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water sealing in cold weather Ice works. :) Was swapping antennas last night and I just used the normal self vulcanizing tape, worked fine in the cold although there was a bit of crusty stuff trying to flake off the tape, I assume was the vulcanizing chemical or the sticky or whatever but it went on just fine. Temp was around 20 degrees. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:15 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Water sealing in cold weather Hey guys. What do you use to water seal a connection in cold weather (30* or colder)? N connector specifically. This is something that needs to be done on top of a tower - need to replace a radio and would prefer to not have to bring the antenna down to do it and don't have another antenna that we could use to replace this one with. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Firetide.....
Anyone have any good, bad or otherwise on this mesh product..per se. ??? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Firetide.....
What city? And should I assume there is no video on the system? Tx Bob KosiNet Wireless wrote: Good Stuff!! We've got our whole City running on it. So far, all of the Fire Departments, and recently added about a dozen traffic signals. If the City adds the Red Light cameras, they're planning on using these as well. -Gary- - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: [WISPA] Firetide. Anyone have any good, bad or otherwise on this mesh product..per se. ??? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Side Mount to Wooden Utility Pole?
Get a piece of 1 1/4 conduit and bend like this: l l l l l l l l And strap it to the pole with stainless hose clamps If you are just mounting an omni you can get away with 1 -B- AJ wrote: Anyone have any detailed photos or ideas for side mounting to a wooden utility pole? We have a site that will only allow side mounting at about 35' AGL on a wooden utility pole. I considered building a stand off bracket out of Unistrut and mounting it directly through the hole with galvanized hardware but it seems a bit overkill for a single omni. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
That's correct. Not required if there is a cage around the ladder. I would still use one though 3-dB Networks wrote: I'll confirm that... the cage is supposed to prevent you from actually falling... so it is consider fall restraint and no other protection is technically needed (although I have used a harness and lanyards on them before because I didn't trust the cage and I had to have it on at the top). Depending on if there is railing at the top you might not need a harness there either... but it wouldn't hurt. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint. This was reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando. The only issue is if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are supposed to wear a harness. I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to the top. Chuck From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them. Usually it's like a 100ft ladder. Brian Chuck McCown wrote: I used to free climb towers. Some of them had so much crap on them it was the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought). - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net mailto:wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this safety gear is still relatively new isn't it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks and hands. Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt around the pole. Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet. Enough to hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you. I burned one pole one time. Torn shirt, splinters in my arms. Funny how quick you can hug a pole when you hook hits a knot in the pole. (The reason it happened was I was talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend). In any event, it was the preferred way of climbing. Much quicker and easier, and actually, if the pole was nice and soft, was very safe. - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with? Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it that you are then not tied off at all? 3-dB Networks wrote: Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places just in case... because you never know what might happen. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident When climbing how many think let's tie off in two places because this first piece of angle iron is going to fall off? On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net
Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
In the eye of the government the fall arrest cable system must meet the design requirement of the ladder it serves. S... You can't really just throw up a cable system on a ladder and use it. It needs to be designed so it will meet all the fall requirements, anchor standards, etc, etc. The real issue you have here is What If.. someone else uses the system you installed and they get injured or die. Liability will fall 100% back on whoever installed, designed and made the equipment. Companies like DBI/Sala, Klein, Elk River, etc have warnings on their web sites and inside every ladder cable system they ship. So the first thing they will do is throw you to the wolves (aka lawyers) by saying it was not the correct application and the system was not designed for the function it was performing and installed for. Now if you get an engineer to sign off on it and tell you what will work and how to install it, you will greatly differ your liability. If you have grain towers in your back yard you may find a structural engineer to design a blanket system for you and draw it up and stamp it for very little money. Here in NY they get phone numbers (big money) for every individual site. You may be hard pressed to find rated anchorage points on a silo to begin with. Not saying it is impossible but most of the ones I have seen are aluminum foil thin and welded out of basic angle iron. The standard anchorage point requires a 5,000 lb rating in the event of a fall. This could be modified by using a fall lanyard that is only 2.5-3 feet upon falling which would greatly reduce the fall shock limits. A ladder cable system may not require a 5,000 lb anchor system. It may only require a 1500 lb anchor system. The problem is no one (that I have seen anyhow) has stated what is required for a ladder system. A ladder cable system does not allow you to fall up to 6 feet as some lanyard do. With a proper chest D ring harness and rated cable grab the most you should fall is 2'. If you will be climbing the same site multiple times say over a week or two you could temporarily install a 5/8 or 3/4 rope grab system with the correct rope. This would be an acceptable alternative but cannot be left in place for an extended period of time (months/years). One more thing to point out to everyone. There are 3/8 cable and 5/16 cable grabs for ladder cable systems. Make sure you are using the grab that is rated for the system that is installed. Use a 3/8 grab on 5/16 cable will grab with some models and will slip with others. Same with rope grabs. They come 1/2, 9/16, 5/8 and 3/4. Use the wrong rope grab on the wrong rope and you will be in for a ride. Good luck and be careful. -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on. There is already one on the leg that has no cage. Then we could clip on a go, with either a belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that is a little heavy). Anyone run these cable before? What is needed? Brian Chuck Hogg wrote: I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint. This was reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando. The only issue is if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are supposed to wear a harness. I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to the top. Chuck From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them. Usually it's like a 100ft ladder. Brian Chuck McCown wrote: I used to free climb towers. Some of them had so much crap on them it was the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought). - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net mailto:wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this safety gear is still relatively new isn't it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks and hands. Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt around the pole. Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
[WISPA] Think Personal Disaster Recovery..... (was... PING)
I think it is important to note something here. For all you guys out there that are running their business, or any business for that matter, an event like this could easily shut down your business. Think about the situation at hand. You own a business and a good part of it revolves around you. You have all those little important things in your head like passwords, names of contacts for tower sites, phone numbers in a little book someplace, some notes that have the combination to the fence to get into the property that has your AP on the roof after hours, the sketch for the new customers you just put on line is on a napkin in the center console of your truck, or even something as simple as the alarm code and password for the office. Something happens to you and what happens to your business? How about your family that depends on you and the business to stay liquid? An event could easily push many of us into bankruptcy. In most instances I am sure that someone weather it be from WISPA or otherwise could get to your family to help with the business but could they actually do what is needed without the information we take for granted every day? Now is a good time to write it down. You don't need to tell everyone what the information is you just need to let your spouse or member of your family know where to find it. What do you write down? Well pretend that you are going away on vacation and a stranger is coming in to run your business. Start with a daily routine. Unlock the front door. The keys are on my keychain for my truck. The alarm panel is behind the door. The code is 1 2 3 4 OFF in that order. If the alarm should go off just enter the code again. The alarm company should call. The codename is WISPA. If you have problems with the alarm call Mike at Alarm Co. Inc. 800-888- is the number. Turn off the answering machine. Play messages back from the machine and return calls. Employees come in at 9 am. Their personal files are in my desk. The keys to my office are on my truck keyring. All the payroll and billing information for the company is in Quickbooks on my laptop. The password is happywisp. The employees names are ... Their contact numbers are etc, etc Make sure to mark down who you feel you can trust to be honest and helpful within your company in a time of crisis and who may use this time as a leverage point. If you have any special arrangements with employees write them down. Same goes for contact names and numbers of vendors and customers. If there is someone you feel comfortable running your business then make a note of that person with contact info. During a crisis one of the biggest issues is billing, banking and payroll. If it looks like the event will be short term it may be wise to have your accountant do the payroll for your company if someone else doesn't do it. This will ensure privacy and keep the boat steady during the rough seas. This is not the time to have a He makes how much??? between employees. Billing procedures are extremely important especially when to bill, how to bill, how much to bill as well as collection procedures. Deposits can usually be done by a family member. Consider having the office mail held at the post office and picked up there. Don't need anything getting lost during this period. Make sure it is read promptly every day in case any urgent issues should occur. I could go on and on but I am sure you get the idea. This info could easily go into a spiral bound notebook and updated every now and then. Maybe consider making a copy of any important keys or computer files (book keeping, config files, spreadsheets, Visio's, network maps, etc). All this material should be kept at your home in a just in case file or box. We never expect to have anything happen to us. I have been to several WISPCON's and other events and we are not all walking health freaks by nature. Think of your family and get this done. Don't sit in front of the TV tomorrow night eating potato chips and drinking beer watching the Simpsons. Do that Wednesday night. Get started on that emergency recovery book now. If you don't need it...great. But if you do someone will be very grateful. Be safe and healthy. And all my best goes out to Mac and his family. Bob John Scrivner wrote: Mac is stable. He still has tests to be done. I talked to his wife, Sharon, a little while ago. Keep Mac and his family in your prayers please. Sharon says their network is running fine. I told her to let me know if they need help and we would work to get someone there to help if they need anything. I am sure we can pull together and help Mac if he needs it. Scriv On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, CHUCK PROFITO cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: PINGING, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THE LIST SINCE MY POST AT 9:46AM. ANY WORD ON MAC?
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
I don't think Trango will be a good fit considering the 20-25 mile link distances, 18 Ghz. and the reduced tx power compared to others in the lower bands. Travis Johnson wrote: Take a look at the Trango GigaLink and APEX radios. They make both an IDU/ODU and just an ODU option. We just installed the APEX 18ghz systems. At one location we used the fiber option and it works great. You can contact them directly (www.trangobroadband.com) or contact Charles @ CTI. They are selling the 18ghz version with 2ft dishes for $9,995 right now (complete link). Travis Microserv Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Dear All, we are considering to move to licensed frequencies for back hauling and therefore some hints would be really appreciated. We are looking at 2 main manufacturers (Ceragon/Dragonwave) so the problem is which one fits better for our needs? Just to summarize: a) links are around 20-25 miles b) antennas: the smaller the better c) robustness is very important d) average life: 3 years From what I have read in the data sheets I have done the following considerations: 1) Dragonwave Horizon is nice but only if your site is well protected from sabotage and stealing. The all outdoor approach is nice but it has the drawback that if somebody takes the whole unit they will have a brand new unit working. With the IDU/ODU approach they will have only half of the banknote, so after the first or second time, they will not spend time having something useless. 2) Dragonwave Horizon can be a problem if you don't use fiber from the unit down to your switch. In few words, we have sites with huge amount or EM fields, so even using shielded cables (e.g. Belden 1300A) we get only few ethernet megabits. So we should use fiber to go up the tower, but maybe be IDU/ODU approach is more robust (comments welcome). 3) All outdoor means that when you have to re-use the devices somewhere else, you have to buy a whole new thing instead of just swapping the ODU. 4) In any case the (all outdoor or IDU/ODU) when the tower is frozen (and when I mean frozen I mean a whole block of ice) then it does not change much, you have to wait the better season to work on that. 5) Performances look more or less the same. 6) I don't know much about prices, I have looked on some website, I am still exploring this aspect 7) Is anybody using the software-switch capabilities on this devices or just using them as transparent bridges for your router/switch? Do you need to reset them often? Comments are welcome. Am I missing some other good brand? Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Wella couple of notes... I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes servicing a breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No guessing about is it the indoor unit, is it the outdoor unit, is it the interface cable??? Get an all ODU like the Dragonwave Horizon and you run CAT5 and you're done. If you get a cable issue you either can't log in or see no handshake with your switch/router or..If one of the POE lines are bad your radio will continue to reboot. Troubleshoot the radio on the ground with a patch cable and you rule out your cabling system. Like was mentioned elsewhere here if you are concerned with theft you can lock the radios in place. This can be done by putting a security screw in place of the grounding screw and use a cable assembly to lock it up. If the theft concern is that high you should probably consider another location. With weather being a concern you could always install a second parallel link on the same antenna using a DPRM mount. Then if one link fails the other could be engaged to carry the traffic. I do not see this link really working (high 9's reliability) without 4' antennas. That of course leads to new mounting issues. At 6 Ghz. you are looking at 6' minimum dishes. Figure 600-800 lbs per antenna with mount not to say the least about cost, shipping and installation. I personally like Dragonwave for 2 reasons. 1 - The service facility is in this part of the hemisphere which allows me to get equipment overnight in emergencies. 2 - One year advanced replacement is only $500/year per radio. Allows me to sleep easily. This does not mean I do not like Ceragon. They are just doing some growing pains things at the moment and most of the stuff is serviced overseas unless it is an interface or something simple. Dragonwave support is very responsive though you do have to leave your name with a service and they call you back. I have installed more than 45 Dragonwave links in the past 2 years and have only had 2 failures. There are other options but history, price or delivery will kill them as an option. And stay away from equipment that does switching for you. Do all your control external to the radio. Bob Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Dear All, we are considering to move to licensed frequencies for back hauling and therefore some hints would be really appreciated. We are looking at 2 main manufacturers (Ceragon/Dragonwave) so the problem is which one fits better for our needs? Just to summarize: a) links are around 20-25 miles b) antennas: the smaller the better c) robustness is very important d) average life: 3 years From what I have read in the data sheets I have done the following considerations: 1) Dragonwave Horizon is nice but only if your site is well protected from sabotage and stealing. The all outdoor approach is nice but it has the drawback that if somebody takes the whole unit they will have a brand new unit working. With the IDU/ODU approach they will have only half of the banknote, so after the first or second time, they will not spend time having something useless. 2) Dragonwave Horizon can be a problem if you don't use fiber from the unit down to your switch. In few words, we have sites with huge amount or EM fields, so even using shielded cables (e.g. Belden 1300A) we get only few ethernet megabits. So we should use fiber to go up the tower, but maybe be IDU/ODU approach is more robust (comments welcome). 3) All outdoor means that when you have to re-use the devices somewhere else, you have to buy a whole new thing instead of just swapping the ODU. 4) In any case the (all outdoor or IDU/ODU) when the tower is frozen (and when I mean frozen I mean a whole block of ice) then it does not change much, you have to wait the better season to work on that. 5) Performances look more or less the same. 6) I don't know much about prices, I have looked on some website, I am still exploring this aspect 7) Is anybody using the software-switch capabilities on this devices or just using them as transparent bridges for your router/switch? Do you need to reset them often? Comments are welcome. Am I missing some other good brand? Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Question - OFFLIST
I really hate when this happens. :-) Charles Wu (CTI) wrote: Hi Matt, Missed you at AF this year -- saw your tree presentation though In lieu of violating list protocol, I would recommend that you ask Adam -- he should know all about it -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Question Please do enlighten us of this latest special. - Matt Charles Wu (CTI) wrote: I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to Trango. The email said: I don't know if you are aware of this but Trango just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may want to consider another product. We just visited with Trango and I can personally attest to the fact that their engineering and manufacturing capabilities are up and operational They have ceased future development on certain products that don't make financial sense, but one could argue that that's just trying to get more bang for your buck in this economy and a far cry from laying off your engineering staff Can anyone confirm/refute this? I have been seriously looking at their licensed links. Have you heard about the latest Trango licensed link special? This one blows the last one from the summer/fall away =) -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
$3000 to get a replacements ODU in, than $12,000 for a full Horizon. We'd use All ODU models where we have live backup links in place, and can afford to wait for a Manufacturer replacement. With that said, we love All ODU units, it makes for a much quicker/simpler install, with Zero Footprint needed inside. This is great for MTU buildings, where they need to be installed in small closets, or penthouse walls. The Dragonwaves were the first to be able to combine radios for double the capacity, so more expandabilty. Airpair offers 25% more capacity than the Trango giga, where split archetecture is needed. Dragonwave offers a dealer channel for those that will benefit from it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Wella couple of notes... I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes servicing a breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No guessing about is it the indoor unit, is it the outdoor unit, is it the interface cable??? Get an all ODU like the Dragonwave Horizon and you run CAT5 and you're done. If you get a cable issue you either can't log in or see no handshake with your switch/router or..If one of the POE lines are bad your radio will continue to reboot. Troubleshoot the radio on the ground with a patch cable and you rule out your cabling system. Like was mentioned elsewhere here if you are concerned with theft you can lock the radios in place. This can be done by putting a security screw in place of the grounding screw and use a cable assembly to lock it up. If the theft concern is that high you should probably consider another location. With weather being a concern you could always install a second parallel link on the same antenna using a DPRM mount. Then if one link fails the other could be engaged to carry the traffic. I do not see this link really working (high 9's reliability) without 4' antennas. That of course leads to new mounting issues. At 6 Ghz. you are looking at 6' minimum dishes. Figure 600-800 lbs per antenna with mount not to say the least about cost, shipping and installation. I personally like Dragonwave for 2 reasons. 1 - The service facility is in this part of the hemisphere which allows me to get equipment overnight in emergencies. 2 - One year advanced replacement is only $500/year per radio. Allows me to sleep easily. This does not mean I do not like Ceragon. They are just doing some growing pains things at the moment and most of the stuff is serviced overseas unless it is an interface or something simple. Dragonwave support is very responsive though you do have to leave your name with a service and they call you back. I have installed more than 45 Dragonwave links in the past 2 years and have only had 2 failures. There are other options but history, price or delivery will kill them as an option. And stay away from equipment that does switching for you. Do all your control external to the radio. Bob Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Dear All, we are considering to move to licensed frequencies for back hauling and therefore some hints would be really appreciated. We are looking at 2 main manufacturers (Ceragon/Dragonwave) so the problem is which one fits better for our needs? Just to summarize: a) links are around 20-25 miles b) antennas: the smaller the better c) robustness is very important d) average life
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Tom, I will get you off list regarding the Manhattan work. As far as the 300 Mb link you got it should be a Horizon radio not an Airpair. I don't have the slightest idea how you ever got that price from someone but it was an exceptional deal. MSRP for a 200 Mb standard (not high power) with 2' antennas and install kits is $19,500. Consider another $1k for for the additional 100 mb of bandwidth and $1k for high power and you are looking at a $21,500 MSRP. Given your purchase price that equals a 50% or so discount on the product. This is not the Dragonwave normal discount. Bob Tom DeReggi wrote: Bob, I have a customer in NY, (near United Nations area.), I'm trying to close deal on. Originally I was jsut planning on buying a 100mbCogent link from a near buildings, and Tlink45ing to it, Since prospect needs 30mbps. I saw you mentioned Manhatten. Do you accept TM wireless field service work? If so, what are your rates? I might as well ask... Do you wholesale Transit? PS. The last 300mbps Airpair 23Ghz w/2ft dishes, that I bought (this month), I paid $10,800 (with Hi-power) NEW. My Trango Apex w/ dish (same spec), I paid $8600 new (this month). $10,000 really isn't a steal anymore for used gear, if its a savy buyer. You were asking a fair price, but it was not a steal. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Hey Adam, I am curious as to why you are saying the used Dragonwave deal didn't pan out??? I still have the system here and Mario can have it any time he wants. 200 Mb full duplex with his choice of used 4' or new 2' antennas. I even offered to deliver it to your office over 100 miles away from me at no charge. According to Mario the deal breaker was I was not going to let him take the link, install it, and try it for a week or two and then let him make his decision. He says he was worried about interference. Well I have more than forty 23 Ghz. links in midtown Manhattan without issue so I doubt you guys are going to have any problems getting a clean channel in rural Kingston NY. $10K for a Dragonwave Airpair that is a little over a year old with a choice of either 4' or 2' antennas is a steal. This link sells for $20K+. The real issue was not interference. It was money. It's really a shame Mario couldn't tell me that instead of using interference as an excuse. If anyone else wants this link I will let it go to them for $9K until February 10th. Get me offlist lakel...@gbcx.net Bob Adam Greene wrote: Hey all, Following up on this thread ... First off, thanks to those who've offered advice off-list. It's been very helpful. Looks like we're seriously considering Trango Apex 18GHz ... our used Dragonwave lead didn't pan out. A couple other options have come up, too: E-Band's E-Link 1000 (~75GHz licensed, at a promotional price) or Cablefree G1500 (a 780nm FSO product). Anyone have any experience / feedback regarding either of these two products (or companies)? Again, we're trying to create a 1.2 km urban link in an ITU-R rain region K zone, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability, and sub-$13k (price is an object). Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? You can go Dragonwave 24 Ghz Unlicensed Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Just to resuscitate this thread ... We have a 1.2Km urban link, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability. We have deployed Mikrotik 5.3GHz and Radwin 5.3GHz and are getting interference. We've also gotten interfered with on Alvarion VL 5.8. We'd like to do 80GHz Bridgewave, but it's too expensive. 60GHz Bridgewave doesn't have enough reliability according to the link budget calculations. Without actually taking a spectrum analyzer to the location, what suggestion would anyone have about the best frequency radio to deploy, to minimize interference issues, get ~100Mbps throughput and not pay more than ~$13,000 (including advance replacement warranty)? We're thinking Trango Apex or Dragonwave ... Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:56 PM
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
The biggest thing I look for is who has my back when there is an outage. (Unfortunately at this point I have zero experience with Trango licensed equipment so I can't comment there.) I have dealt with Ceragon, Harris/Stratex, Dragonwave and others. All make good product. While pricing may make a decision in most peoples minds it doesn't in mine. When running high priority links I look for a manufacturer with a track record for support, not sales or price. I have consistently seen miracles performed by Dragonwave when we have had the occasional bad radio. I had a service issue at 6:30 PM eastern time here one night and I had an advanced replacement radio in my hands before 9am the following morning. And they're in freakin' CANADA! I don't know how but it happened, Customs and all. Considering 90% of my business is installation and service, I need a provider that supports me. I also agree on the need for a 24 Ghz. unit. I would love to have a 100 Mb FDX system that only did a mile or so. Sub $10K. All integrated. -B- Charles Wu wrote: My personal opinion regarding point-to-point links is that it boils down solely to price technical specifications When talking about Point-to-Point links (as opposed to a Point-to-Multipoint system) -- company sustainability / support (be it Dragonwave vs. Trango) isn't really that crucial, given that (1) most WISPs should know how to setup and configure their own radios and (2) most point-to-point links sit as a self-contained system To illustrate 1. How much support is really needed on a point-to-point link -- if by now, you can't figure out how to install one of these links with at the most some basic phone support, then you may need to rethink whether or not you should be in the WISP business =) That said...after an initial learning curve, and assuming that radios are properly installed (e.g., grounded, etc) -- point-to-points are generally forgotten about in the network So, say you buy a point-to-point Trango or Dragonwave backhaul -- you install it...works fine -- 36 months later Trango or Dragonwave goes completely bankrupt Who cares? For your next link...go buy a Trango/Dragonwave/Ceragon/Harris/Nera/whatever -- the installed link will continue to work -- and by then, you'll be looking to upgrade your backhauls anyways -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have problems either financially or historically. I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation managers in us care about the business. As was said there is no wrong choice. Is this a correct statement or am I wrong and where? On 2/12/09, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here... http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Statement s_Nov30%202008.pdf So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end. Anyways I used the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil... Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is profitability (net income) and cash flow The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned $8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008 It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million in short term investments Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the picture of a start-up company that's trying to get over the hump So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they are now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all their AR liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has ~3 years before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is
[WISPA] Surplus Tower/Liebert AC units For Sale
Guys and Gals, I have been asked to remove a 100' freestanding tower this week. I don't have any room in my yard or in the warehouse to store it so my other option is to cut it up and scrap it. If someone is interested in it I will strip it down and package it for shipping. It would make a great WISP AP tower for someone. You just need foundation bolts which you can get from any tower manufacturer. The price I am asking will cover my crane and personnel costs to disassemble and package for shipping. Once again, if it gets sold here I will make a $200 donation to WISPA. Tower info and pictures are here: www.bb-recon.com/tower4sale I also still have the two Lieberts. One 20 ton and one 10 ton System 3 glycol units with roof condensers. Buy one of these and I will donate $250 for each unit to WISPA. Just let me know you saw it here on the list as this stuff is listed elsewhere and I don't want the organization to loose out. Thanks Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter
Kurt, Forget the Bird. We banged our heads too much with those. besides they are too bulky and not really for microwave IMHO. Bet one of these: http://www.praxsym.com/t-meter.htm We have two and they save us a poop load of troubleshooting time. They are about $1k each but they are well worth it. Bob Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Does anyone have any experience with a Bird 43 wattmeter at 2.4ghz? I have the bird 43 and am considering buying the 1 watt slug for it. This thing is going to measure the average power instead of the peak power. Should the Bird 43P (peak and avg) wattmeter be better suited for this application since it can measure the peak wattage? I just don't know what I need to be measuring in the WIFI application, the peak or average??? http://birdtechnologies.thomasnet.com/viewitems/wattmeters-and-line-sections /portable-wattmeters? http://birdtechnologies.thomasnet.com/viewitems/wattmeters-and-line-section s/portable-wattmeters?forward=1 forward=1 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter
Just to add if you get the Praxsym you can check SWR and cable loss on your antenna systems. Just FYI. Not knocking Varitronics just that they are only going to test power output of the equipment. Bob e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Problem with wifi stuff is it doesn't transmit if it don't have anything to say. So average measurement isn't that great since it will be based on you traffic how high the average is. You will be more interested in your peak since at least most wifi are predictable and the peak is what it transmits at and is what is interesting. Berkley Varitronics has their butterflies that are great testing instruments for an affordable price to measure output power. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:46:37 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter Does anyone have any experience with a Bird 43 wattmeter at 2.4ghz? I have the bird 43 and am considering buying the 1 watt slug for it. This thing is going to measure the average power instead of the peak power. Should the Bird 43P (peak and avg) wattmeter be better suited for this application since it can measure the peak wattage? I just don't know what I need to be measuring in the WIFI application, the peak or average??? http://birdtechnologies.thomasnet.com/viewitems/wattmeters-and-line-sections /portable-wattmeters? http://birdtechnologies.thomasnet.com/viewitems/wattmeters-and-line-section s/portable-wattmeters?forward=1 forward=1 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
http://exaltcom.com/sublanding.aspx?id=70 Matt Jenkins wrote: Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Nope...still have the same issues. If one radio did the transmitting and the other link the receiving you would be true RF full duplex but with TDD that theory may have holes. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
The Exalt is also a TDM radio. I didn't see that Radwin was MIMO. Does it operate on the same channel or does horizontal and vertical need to be on separate channels? I agree that Radwin advertises full duplex but again that is either a mistake or sales fluff. All the equipment is TDD. And I agree that as long as the customer gets what he thinks he wants, that is the goal. -B- 3-dB Networks wrote: Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the market they play towards... cellular carriers. Transport is fixed to full duplex... and designed with that in mind. But from an RF standpoint you would be right since it only transmits on one channel. The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal polarity and one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their throughput numbers. But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a full duplex radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way. My experience is most customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it does what they think they want. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt --- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
You can stop looking. You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other. Considering there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or something similar you will never get true FD. -B- Matt Jenkins wrote: I am looking into this as well. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] tower cert question
WOW My favorite subject... :-) In true life a tower certification really doesn't mean much. Under the eye of OSHA the employer is responsible for saying who is properly trained to climb a tower and perform the work at hand. While a certificate from Comtrain or Gravitec shows that someone has completed some basic training (and I mean basic as it is only 2 days) it does not mean that the person is a certified tower climber and will perform the function safely and properly. it just means you had some basic training. The certification process really came to light when people like American Tower and such had climbers falling out of the sky. Subsequently a new requirement came up that you needed to be certified by one of a handful of companies and/or provide a synopsis of your in-house safety program and fall safety manual. Safety in tower climbing comes with experience, training and some luck. Legally, certification does not do too much to protect the climber, the employer or the tower owner. -B- Rogelio wrote: A friend is considering getting his tower certification, and it's something I've been considering also. I googled tower certification, but couldn't find the cert(s) that one would need to get to safely/legally do so. Any pointers? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Towers....
Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers. If any of you guys or gals is considering buying a tower or towers you should consider these guys. We have been installing tower stuff for years and and I can't remember the last time I didn't have to pull out a mag drill, torch, come-a-long, sledgehammer or some other tool or device to make a tower go together. we just installed a 100' freestanding Nello NSX tower for a customer and every single hole lined up perfectly, the instructions were straight forward, everything was labeled and color coded, and there was even a box that said SPARE HARDWARE Holy Crap! Imagine that!!! A freakin' tower dog's miracle moment. we put the tower together and hung it in one day without issue. And we were not short ANYTHING. We have a second one to do and I can honestly say I am looking forward to it. Now I have no relationship with this company and I don't make anything from them. But I know what a nightmare putting some of these together can be like for someone with experience. Can't imagine a novice trying it. Anyone looking for some fun should buy five 100' Super Trylon towers from Tessco and try putting them together with the instructions off the web site. Took us 4 weeks especially when we realized we had all kinds of parts missing. And the shipping was a killer because Tessco makes its own kits and crates each individual section in nice heavy wood crates. 10 sections, 10 crates. We had enough wood left over to build a 4 bedroom house! :-) Just an FYI. Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers....
Blake Bowers wrote: I have never bought a Nello Tower, simply because we don't buy much new steel, we buy existing sites for the most part. I have however dealt a number of times with Dan Ianello. Dan is very available, very customer service oriented, and has been always nothing but helpful to me. I have NEVER heard anyone with a negative account of dealing with Nello. Just to echo what Bob sez (from down here where we have fire now!) Oh VERY FUNNY I get that we have fire now comment... You obviously read other lists :-) -B- Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:05 PM Subject: [WISPA] Towers Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New auto ping rebooter for tower sites! open source lowcost!
OK...I am running a special. Send me $50 and I will mail anyone who wants one a Cd Drive with the special red reboot wire glued to the front. Special quantity discounts on 5 or more ($49 each). FREE OVERNIGHT SHIPPING on purchases of 5 or more!! Act fast as this is only a limited special. On Monday that price goes back up to $99 each. Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ya Know......
The world is really full of losers. After 6 weeks of BS and a down payment check of $500 I once again have another happy list member backing out of the purchase of the 200 Mb Dragonwave link that I have. Nothing like wasting my time. The reason given is that he doesn't feel that the link will perform at 1 mile EVEN WITH 4' FREAKIN' DISHES There is nothing worse than someone who can't just say something like I can't afford it or something real like that. No...the excuse is a 23 Ghz. FD link won't work over 1 mile in the southwest RELIABLY.AUGH And get this.He wants his deposit back! I have to laugh I will not identify who the person or entity is as they are on this list. I will let him defend himself if he wishes too. (BTW: I have ALL the e-mails so I can support my side so please don't try to come up with another story dude...) OKNow. Here is the last chance if someone wants it. Dragonwave 200 Mb Airpair all outdoor link, 23 Ghz. FDX with your choice of 2' (new) or 4' used antennas. The link was in service for a little over 1 year. has a fiber interface and power supplies for each side. I will guarantee it will work as advertised. I will also give anyone that is sincerely interested the serial numbers and you can call Dragonwave and see for yourself that this link never had a problem. The first $7K gets it. You pay shipping. No discount for radios only. if you want just the equipment less antennas...Still $7K Its a good deal if you have money. I am not financing this so please don't ask. Sorry for the rant. Offlist (lakel...@gbcx.net) or my cell 516-551-1131 anytime Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ya Know......
The thought crossed my mind but I am following along what Matt said. I handled this professionally. Even offered to pay half the shipping! Well...all of those offers are off the table at the present price. And two people have already contacted me offlist and want to know who that person is. I am not giving out that info (even though I am super pissed.. :-) so everyone please don't e-mail me and ask. Mum's the word...for now. Brad...He lives near you and I will let you know if he needs a big Texan visit! LOL -B- Brad Belton wrote: Geesh...that sucks Bob. I'd almost say a public flogging of the perp is in order...grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ya Know.. The world is really full of losers. After 6 weeks of BS and a down payment check of $500 I once again have another happy list member backing out of the purchase of the 200 Mb Dragonwave link that I have. Nothing like wasting my time. The reason given is that he doesn't feel that the link will perform at 1 mile EVEN WITH 4' FREAKIN' DISHES There is nothing worse than someone who can't just say something like I can't afford it or something real like that. No...the excuse is a 23 Ghz. FD link won't work over 1 mile in the southwest RELIABLY.AUGH And get this.He wants his deposit back! I have to laugh I will not identify who the person or entity is as they are on this list. I will let him defend himself if he wishes too. (BTW: I have ALL the e-mails so I can support my side so please don't try to come up with another story dude...) OKNow. Here is the last chance if someone wants it. Dragonwave 200 Mb Airpair all outdoor link, 23 Ghz. FDX with your choice of 2' (new) or 4' used antennas. The link was in service for a little over 1 year. has a fiber interface and power supplies for each side. I will guarantee it will work as advertised. I will also give anyone that is sincerely interested the serial numbers and you can call Dragonwave and see for yourself that this link never had a problem. The first $7K gets it. You pay shipping. No discount for radios only. if you want just the equipment less antennas...Still $7K Its a good deal if you have money. I am not financing this so please don't ask. Sorry for the rant. Offlist (lakel...@gbcx.net) or my cell 516-551-1131 anytime Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Proxim WORP Protocol
NoA 5054 still does on average 20-24 Mb of throughput. We have over 600 radios in the field running video and the likes and that is what we see on a 20Mhz channel. -B- 3-dB Networks wrote: Okay... I guess my big question would be... they say they do 54Mb of traffic... but that sounds like 802.11a where that is the over the air rate... your actual TCP throughput is say 20Mb or so. Does WORP overcome this? From your description and what I see on the spec sheets I wouldn't think so. Thanks! Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Henry F. Camacho Jr. Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proxim WORP Protocol I've spent a lot of time working with the Proxim 5054 products that implement WORP, the protocol is TDM, it slices time slots for each subscriber unit connected to a base station. A base can act as subscriber or a base. It supports timeslot skipping if SU don't have traffic to send. I've had really good luck with these units. there are a lot of integrators using the 5054 units to deploy cameras for public safety. HFC -- Henry F. Camacho Jr. Unplugged Cities, LLC 800 Washington Ave No Suite 501 Minneapolis, MN 55401 763-235-3005 (Office) 763-257-6898 (Cell) tknightowl (Skype) h...@unpluggedcities.com (email) www.unpluggedcities.com (www) KC0KUS (Amateur Radio) 3-dB Networks wrote: Anyone here know much about it? What are the improvements over standard 802.11 A/B/G protocol? Thank you in advance Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ya Know......
Oh Whatever Mark Nash wrote: I think that Matt was stating that airing your frustration with this person was not professional. That was my take on it. Even more unprofessional was your comment below. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ya Know.. The thought crossed my mind but I am following along what Matt said. I handled this professionally. Even offered to pay half the shipping! Well...all of those offers are off the table at the present price. And two people have already contacted me offlist and want to know who that person is. I am not giving out that info (even though I am super pissed.. :-) so everyone please don't e-mail me and ask. Mum's the word...for now. Brad...He lives near you and I will let you know if he needs a big Texan visit! LOL -B- Brad Belton wrote: Geesh...that sucks Bob. I'd almost say a public flogging of the perp is in order...grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ya Know.. The world is really full of losers. After 6 weeks of BS and a down payment check of $500 I once again have another happy list member backing out of the purchase of the 200 Mb Dragonwave link that I have. Nothing like wasting my time. The reason given is that he doesn't feel that the link will perform at 1 mile EVEN WITH 4' FREAKIN' DISHES There is nothing worse than someone who can't just say something like I can't afford it or something real like that. No...the excuse is a 23 Ghz. FD link won't work over 1 mile in the southwest RELIABLY.AUGH And get this.He wants his deposit back! I have to laugh I will not identify who the person or entity is as they are on this list. I will let him defend himself if he wishes too. (BTW: I have ALL the e-mails so I can support my side so please don't try to come up with another story dude...) OKNow. Here is the last chance if someone wants it. Dragonwave 200 Mb Airpair all outdoor link, 23 Ghz. FDX with your choice of 2' (new) or 4' used antennas. The link was in service for a little over 1 year. has a fiber interface and power supplies for each side. I will guarantee it will work as advertised. I will also give anyone that is sincerely interested the serial numbers and you can call Dragonwave and see for yourself that this link never had a problem. The first $7K gets it. You pay shipping. No discount for radios only. if you want just the equipment less antennas...Still $7K Its a good deal if you have money. I am not financing this so please don't ask. Sorry for the rant. Offlist (lakel...@gbcx.net) or my cell 516-551-1131 anytime Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] Ya Know......
After reading this again. No... What would have been better for Bob in the first place is if the other party (who is a WISPA member) would have conducted themselves in a professional manner and sent payments when he said he was going to and not play' me. I suppose I should be professional and return his deposit too??? Maybe I should give him interest on his $500 too while I had it in my bank. I almost sent the money I promised to donate to WISPA on the sale of this link out of the deposit. Fortunately for me and unfortunately for WISPA I didn't. So what the other party did was unprofessional. So...If this is a professional organization maybe he shouldn't be a member because he doesn't meet the professional criteria. I didn't name any names so I don't know what the issue is. So many people here bitch about the FCC, the rules, manufacturer's handling of RMA's, repairs, price, delivery, tower companies, throughput, RF interference, etc, etc. Please don't single me out. It won't work. And I don't want to be the person who points out when others are being unprofessional. -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Except of course that isn't professional. And, while I have many times wanted to complain about some other WISP in public I won't because it isn't professional. What would have been better for Bob in the first place and for the rest of us always; would be simply for each other to treat their peers with respect. This is supposed to be a professional organization after all. -Matt On Apr 16, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Geesh...that sucks Bob. I'd almost say a public flogging of the perp is in order...grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ya Know.. The world is really full of losers. After 6 weeks of BS and a down payment check of $500 I once again have another happy list member backing out of the purchase of the 200 Mb Dragonwave link that I have. Nothing like wasting my time. The reason given is that he doesn't feel that the link will perform at 1 mile EVEN WITH 4' FREAKIN' DISHES There is nothing worse than someone who can't just say something like I can't afford it or something real like that. No...the excuse is a 23 Ghz. FD link won't work over 1 mile in the southwest RELIABLY.AUGH And get this.He wants his deposit back! I have to laugh I will not identify who the person or entity is as they are on this list. I will let him defend himself if he wishes too. (BTW: I have ALL the e-mails so I can support my side so please don't try to come up with another story dude...) OKNow. Here is the last chance if someone wants it. Dragonwave 200 Mb Airpair all outdoor link, 23 Ghz. FDX with your choice of 2' (new) or 4' used antennas. The link was in service for a little over 1 year. has a fiber interface and power supplies for each side. I will guarantee it will work as advertised. I will also give anyone that is sincerely interested the serial numbers and you can call Dragonwave and see for yourself that this link never had a problem. The first $7K gets it. You pay shipping. No discount for radios only. if you want just the equipment less antennas...Still $7K Its a good deal if you have money. I am not financing this so please don't ask. Sorry for the rant. Offlist (lakel...@gbcx.net) or my cell 516-551-1131 anytime Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs
wowMonths huh? That's bad... A couple of things we do long rant/reply 1. We charge one months security fee up front. That protects us during the billing cycle. At the end of 30 days they get an e-mail or phone call about being in arrears. No payment in 10 days Off they go. $50 reconnect charge to go back on. The chronic customers pay that. It gets waived for the first time in most cases. 2. The contract states that the equipment will be removed upon termination or 30 days after default. We send the customer a registered, certified letter requesting three dates and times we can come and remove the equipment. These have to be during regular business hours. If they fail to reply it goes on the bill. We will not go on the customers property and retrieve equipment without approval because there is no way to know if the property is owned by them or leased. Always make sure there are two people when making equipment collections. Preferably someone who will be articulate in court or in front of a cop if something goes sour during the removal attempt. 3. Our contract states they own everything as part of the initial installation fee except the radio and antenna. We never remove cabling or mounts because we don't want to hear since you removed the cable my roof leaks BS. 4. The contract states that the subscriber unit is worth $850. That includes the radio, the time it takes to order it, the time it takes to program it, the time it takes to engineer the radio into the network and PROFIT. After all, that is why you are in business. 5. Finally.EVERYONE goes to small claims court. I don't waste my time with collection agencies. Some of these guys could be more detrimental to your business than court. I don't let anyone walk away with MY money. I did what I said, we had an agreement, they signed and approved it and they did not do their part. Stand your ground. There are too many people out there that think they can get away with not paying. This is not the way it use to be but the world is a changing boys and girls. Keep good records and make a paper trail leading to their door. No threats or accusations towards the customer. Its real simpleI just want my money and we will turn the system back on and we will act like nothing ever happened (until next month when that customer may try it again). And we NEVER let anyone out of the contract without paying SOMETHING. Again, you did your part now its time for the customer to do theirs. If you purchased a nice new truck last year you can't just say I don't want it anymore and I am not going to make any more payments, let me out of my contract. WRONG!Just because your contract is only for $59 a month or something similar does not mean it should not be any more enforced than their mortgage contract. Its YOUR MONEY...NOT THERES. In closing, my experience is that most people get the paperwork from the court and the check comes in a few days later. You may also offer the customer 80 cents on the dollar as a good faith gesture just prior to going to court to settle the case. Judges and administrative law/hearing officers love to see an effort on your part to lighten the courts calendar load and settle your own disputes. It is one more thing that will shine on your behalf when you finally make the appearance before the court. BTW: After 14 cases in small claims court I have only not succeeded in one case where the terms for determination of dispute was arbitration. The court stated it had no jurisdiction and referred us to arbitration and we elected not to pursue the case because arbitration is EXPENSIVE! Don't ever sign a contract that states issues will be resolved by arbitration. Don't be afraid.Its your money...GO GET IT. Good Luck Bob Chuck Hogg wrote: I've got a few non-paying subs, that we would like to get payment on. It has reached over $1k from 4 subs over the past 6 months. Do you just cut your losses and move on or what do you do? I'm contemplating small claims court as it should be an open and shut case, but it's $91 in fees per person. We've done the collection letter and it hasn't worked. We got the please don't turn it off, I'm coming to pay...and it never happened. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs
I agree with the work with them part here. I am not totally heartless. People have problems and I am understanding but when people stop communicating the buck stops there. Marlon...If I had half of your money I would give everyone free Internet service! :-) -B- Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We learned this lesson too. You'll be lucky to get half of the money. What we do is shut them off until payment comes in. They don't have to pay it all at once, but we require at least double the monthyly fee. If they miss, we shut them off right away. Takes a while to get them caught back up, but they usually do this way, those that will anyway. The most important part? NEVER let them get this far behind. 30 days late and you're cut off here. Well, when the girls remember to do it, sometimes it goes twice that, but they get their tails chewed when I find out people are hundreds behind One thing we DO do for folks is work with them. If they come to us and tell us that they are out of work, just got a divorce etc. etc. we will let them go way out. I think we've only been burnt once or twice on this. Most of the time people are soo thankful for what we've done to help. The girls can raise that issue if, during a collections call, people tell them what's going on other than I don't have the money or I forgot. marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs I've got a few non-paying subs, that we would like to get payment on. It has reached over $1k from 4 subs over the past 6 months. Do you just cut your losses and move on or what do you do? I'm contemplating small claims court as it should be an open and shut case, but it's $91 in fees per person. We've done the collection letter and it hasn't worked. We got the please don't turn it off, I'm coming to pay...and it never happened. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs
George Rogato wrote: Weeds out the broke dead beat cheap skates. Careful George. I called a customer a loser and got tarred and feathered . :-) Thats the pool who most likely will not pay. My broadband customers all paid little extra to have my service and those types pay their bills on time. George rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've had moderate success just making a personal visit to see how the people are doing. If they're out of a job and no income, we cut the bandwidth way down and suspend billing for a while. If internet can help them get a job, then it's in our interest to do this. Generally, we have pretty good success with a personal visit. I'm not confrontational, but explain that we really do expect to be paid and the customer's generally pretty good at paying when they see it as a matter of personal importance. Other than that, we've not found that notes, or emails works well. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs I've got a few non-paying subs, that we would like to get payment on. It has reached over $1k from 4 subs over the past 6 months. Do you just cut your losses and move on or what do you do? I'm contemplating small claims court as it should be an open and shut case, but it's $91 in fees per person. We've done the collection letter and it hasn't worked. We got the please don't turn it off, I'm coming to pay...and it never happened. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs
Packed to the gills with work. Now if it would just stop raining. I feel like I live in the Northwest! :-P -B- Marlon K. Schafer wrote: LOL At the prices we charge out here in the sticks it's already as good as free! How's things back east? marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs I agree with the work with them part here. I am not totally heartless. People have problems and I am understanding but when people stop communicating the buck stops there. Marlon...If I had half of your money I would give everyone free Internet service! :-) -B- Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We learned this lesson too. You'll be lucky to get half of the money. What we do is shut them off until payment comes in. They don't have to pay it all at once, but we require at least double the monthyly fee. If they miss, we shut them off right away. Takes a while to get them caught back up, but they usually do this way, those that will anyway. The most important part? NEVER let them get this far behind. 30 days late and you're cut off here. Well, when the girls remember to do it, sometimes it goes twice that, but they get their tails chewed when I find out people are hundreds behind One thing we DO do for folks is work with them. If they come to us and tell us that they are out of work, just got a divorce etc. etc. we will let them go way out. I think we've only been burnt once or twice on this. Most of the time people are soo thankful for what we've done to help. The girls can raise that issue if, during a collections call, people tell them what's going on other than I don't have the money or I forgot. marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs I've got a few non-paying subs, that we would like to get payment on. It has reached over $1k from 4 subs over the past 6 months. Do you just cut your losses and move on or what do you do? I'm contemplating small claims court as it should be an open and shut case, but it's $91 in fees per person. We've done the collection letter and it hasn't worked. We got the please don't turn it off, I'm coming to pay...and it never happened. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs
Honestly I find it best to do it first thing Monday AM before they get in. Then they can't check e-mail and the secretaries can't listen to online music, go to Facebook or do IM and it suddenly becomes an urgent issue. Great to play the office staff against management. :-) -B- George Rogato wrote: :) Actually I have a high regard for my customers, it's the ones that try to game me that invokes nasty thoughts. One trick I have learned over the years, if you turn a sub off and expect to get paid make sure they get turned off during business hours so they can call in and make arrangements to pay up. Otherwise they may be gone by the time business opens and you will never see any money. Bob Moldashel wrote: George Rogato wrote: Weeds out the broke dead beat cheap skates. Careful George. I called a customer a loser and got tarred and feathered . :-) Thats the pool who most likely will not pay. My broadband customers all paid little extra to have my service and those types pay their bills on time. George rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've had moderate success just making a personal visit to see how the people are doing. If they're out of a job and no income, we cut the bandwidth way down and suspend billing for a while. If internet can help them get a job, then it's in our interest to do this. Generally, we have pretty good success with a personal visit. I'm not confrontational, but explain that we really do expect to be paid and the customer's generally pretty good at paying when they see it as a matter of personal importance. Other than that, we've not found that notes, or emails works well. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs I've got a few non-paying subs, that we would like to get payment on. It has reached over $1k from 4 subs over the past 6 months. Do you just cut your losses and move on or what do you do? I'm contemplating small claims court as it should be an open and shut case, but it's $91 in fees per person. We've done the collection letter and it hasn't worked. We got the please don't turn it off, I'm coming to pay...and it never happened. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
And the right way to do it. If the leg is splitting that means there is no way to weep moisture and you will just be back to the same issue in the future. In addition you have no idea on leg integrity from the outside. The leg could be partially corroded and just looking for someone to offset the balance and have it collapse. Lift Pull Replace. Safety first. -B- Marlon K. Schafer wrote: That was my thought as a *temporary farmer fix*. 40 lift man lifts aren't that expensive to rent. Just rent a lift or a truck for any work you have to do at this time. Then work with a professional tower company on a permanent repair. I think loosening the guy wires up, lifting the tower with a crane and installing a new lower section (don't forget to REALLY inspect what's below that level as well) should be pretty easy though. marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? We've seen something like this. Engineer recommended taking the same size pipe. Have it cut in half to form a half-moon. Then use U-clamps and clamp around the stress crack. Being only 40' feet, probably don't have much to worry about. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) Water inside froze and split it open. The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane holding me up :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId= 1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId= 1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Rad Airmux 200 Login
OK Boys and Girls Anyone know where I can get a copy of Management Software for this baby. I have a new customer with an existing link that is giving them problems and they don't have it. I am told it is the only way to config and look at the radio. Is this true? Any help would be appreciated. Offlist if you prefer. Tnx. Bob lakel...@gbcx.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rad Airmux 200 Login
Thanks Josh Josh Luthman wrote: Ya I love sending three emails to get one response - SORRY =( To my knowledge, it is the only option. I know there is no HTTP (at least HTML, don't know how the software communicates) or telnet/ssh interface. Software is decent, but is not nearly good enough to excuse the need for a Windows only executable that you can't download unless you jump through hoops or keep a hold of from the CD with the purchase of a new unit. Plus it is a bit confusing IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Only Windows would have so many dumb characters and spaces... Softlink: http://helium.imaginenetworksllc.com/ceragonairmuxsoftware.zip Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Pretty sure this is what you're after... http://helium.imaginenetworksllc.com/FA4800 Manager 1[1].620.zip Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.netwrote: OK Boys and Girls Anyone know where I can get a copy of Management Software for this baby. I have a new customer with an existing link that is giving them problems and they don't have it. I am told it is the only way to config and look at the radio. Is this true? Any help would be appreciated. Offlist if you prefer. Tnx. Bob lakel...@gbcx.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multipath
Mark, Was this an existing installation and it just started acting up or has it been doing this since day one?? -B- Mark McElvy wrote: I am curious if anyone thinks this is multipath and has a suggestion on how to fix. This just happens to be my dads house, radio mounted to a j-mount on eve of house, clear LOS to tower 1 mile away, -56 signal. This eve is over the porch roof to the east and signal shoots over the south plane of the roof which is an approx 30deg angle. I was over this morning and he is complaining the Internet is not working and I go in to do some troubleshooting. I setup a constant ping to the AP and I am getting 1ms, I start to browse and the pings jump to 300ms and random lost packets. Configure a new radio in the house and have a -75 signal in the house, try the ping thing again and all seems fine. I replace he radio on the roof and I am back to the poor ping times again. Now I don't understand multipath as well I should but it seems to make sense in this case. Is it possible to reduce or remedy without moving the radio to a totally different location? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes
3500 registered users using a network that costs $400K per year to maintain!!! That's $114 per subscriber! Why not just pay to give them DSL! LOL -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] [Fwd: [Tower-pro] Tower Climber dies in PA]
I thought this was important enough to cross-post it accross the above addresses This is from the Tower-Pro list -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell ---BeginMessage--- Group, A tower climber for Sting Communications, Michael Sellers, 25, of Lebanon PA, died yesterday after falling from a tower approximately 90'. The link to the article in the local newspaper can be found here: http://www.altoonamirror.com/articles.asp?articleID=1366 The link to a tv report with a picture of the tower is here: http://www.wjactv.com/news/9168284/detail.html Sting communications is a wireless internet company that primarily provides point to point links using Alvarion equipment. Apparently someone at the scene gave a statement that their were no places to tie off on the tower until the climber was positioned where he was going to be working. The tower is a Rohn SSV tower. Obviously we have the means in this industry to stay 100% on a Rohn tower. I have run into Sting's 2 man tower crews several times in Central PA. The first time I was at the top of a tower owned by the company I was employed by swapping out an antenna. Two climbers from Sting came up to install an Alvarion radio and panel. They free climbed up the tower (which had a safety cable installed) in tennis shoes without hardhats. They were wearing full body harnesses with a single leg lanyard on the dorsal attatchment point, but the lanyard was being used to carry the radio and panel antenna. They had no positioning lanyards, only a couple of large carabiners they would attatch to one of their side D rings or the other, never both at the same time. I Couldn't believe what I saw. After getting them back to the ground I questioned them about safety equipment, and their training. I quickly learned that these guys had never been properly trained in safe climbing techniques or OSHA regulations. They had never even really worked around other tower crews, I was the first experienced tower tech they had even spoken with. (this was about 2 years ago) I gave them a rundown on OSHA regs, showed them the equipment I used (SALA EXOFIT XP Double Leg Lanyard, Positioning Lanyards, Cable Grabs, etc.) I also gave them a Midwest Unlimited catalog and circled all of the must have safety equipment, then gave them ComTrain's web address. My GM then called their supervisor and explained our policies, general tower climbing policies, and that they would not be allowed to work on the company's towers unless they complied. I know of two falls from towers in the past two weeks. One happened at 220' when an experienced well-trained climber slipped off a peg as he was repositioning. He works for an extremely large tower company where safety is truly part of the culture. He fell into his fall arrest and went home that night with no injuries. I think you can draw your own conclusions to what happened yesterday. My condolences to Mr. Seller's family and loved ones. Chris Mika President, Novotech Construction, Inc. Mobile (814)935-5401 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It¿s easy and it¿s free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/s0DolB/TM ~- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = * * * Got something to sell ? * * * mailto:Tower-stuff4sale-subscribe@ yahoogroups.com -or- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tower-stuff4sale/join = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tower-pro/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message--- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4ft 5.8Ghz dual polarized grid
Tessco, Hutton, Winncom, Alliance, Talley,.. Radiowave, Gabriel, RFS and Andrews all make 4' dual polarity dishes. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4ft 5.8Ghz dual polarized grid
Matt Liotta wrote: Those are dishes; not grids. -Matt No one makes 4' dual polarity grids that I have ever seen. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4ft 5.8Ghz dual polarized grid
Matt Liotta wrote: I am looking for grids!!! -Matt Bob Moldashel wrote: Tessco, Hutton, Winncom, Alliance, Talley,.. Radiowave, Gabriel, RFS and Andrews all make 4' dual polarity dishes. They don't make grids! :-P -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Is this legit email from eBay or a phishing scam?
It's a scam George George Rogato wrote: http://www.ebaymainstreet.com/takeaction/?campaign_id=neutrality1 I just got an email from a customer of mine asking me if this was a legit email. At first glance it appears to be a legit email, but I'm not familiar with eBay that much and this link: http://click3.ebay.com/306460395.64016.0.94684 turns into: http://www.ebaymainstreet.com/takeaction/?campaign_id=neutrality1 Here is the email she forwarded to me: *From:* Meg Whitman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, June 01, 2006 11:52 AM *Subject:* A Letter to 1941cathie from eBay CEO, Meg Whitman *eBay sent this message to xx ( xxx). * Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay. Learn more. http://click3.ebay.com/306460395.64016.0.61836 *Net Neutrality and the eBay Community: A Call to Action* Dear xxx, As you know, I almost never reach out to you personally with a request to get involved in a debate in the U.S. Congress. However, today I feel I must. Right now, the telephone and cable companies in control of Internet access are trying to use their enormous political muscle to dramatically change the Internet. It might be hard to believe, but lawmakers in Washington are seriously debating whether consumers should be free to use the Internet as they want in the future. The phone and cable companies now control more than 95% of all Internet access. These large corporations are spending millions of dollars to promote legislation that would divide the Internet into a two-tiered system. The top tier would be a Pay-to-Play high-speed toll-road restricted to only the largest companies that can afford to pay high fees for preferential access to the Net. The bottom tier -- the slow lane -- would be what is left for everyone else. If the fast lane is the information super-highway, the slow lane will operate more like a dirt road. Today's Internet is an incredible open marketplace for goods, services, information and ideas. We can't give that up. A two lane system will restrict innovation because start-ups and small companies -- the companies that can't afford the high fees -- will be unable to succeed, and we'll lose out on the jobs, creativity and inspiration that come with them. The power belongs with Internet users, not the big phone and cable companies. Let's use that power to send as many messages as possible to our elected officials in Washington. Please join me by clicking here http://click3.ebay.com/306460395.64016.0.94684 right now to send a message to your representatives in Congress before it is too late. You can make the difference. Thank you for reading this note. I hope you'll make your voice heard today. Sincerely, Meg Whitman President and CEO eBay Inc. P.S. If you have any questions about this issue, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Learn More http://click3.ebay.com/306460395.64016.0.22085 to protect yourself from Spoof (fake) e-mails. eBay sent this e-mail to you because your Notification Preferences indicate that you want to receive information about Special Events Promotions. eBay will not request personal data (password, credit card/bank numbers) in an e-mail. You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED], registered on eBay. If you do not wish to receive further communications, sign into My eBay by clicking on the My eBay link found at the top of the eBay home page and change your Notification Preferences. Please note that it may take up to 10 days to process your request. Visit our Privacy Policy http://click3.ebay.com/306460395.64016.0.40453 and User Agreement http://click3.ebay.com/306460395.64016.0.40451 if you have any questions. Copyright © 2006 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. eBay is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125. Thanks -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Is this legit email from eBay or a phishing scam?
I guess its possible that I am mistaken but... It allowed me to register with an old account that is no longer active. If I go directly to the govt. relations page via the E-Bay home page it kicks me out when i try to sign in. I'm not a networking genius but I would not give out my username and password to any e-mail message that looks like E-Bay or Paypal anymore. Also, I have 4 E-Bay accounts and I did not receive this e-mail for any of them Thou I did get alot of other interesting sh#t). That is also interesting. GeorgeIf your customer wants to get involved they should go to the E-Bay home page and sign in thru govt. relations at the bottom -B- Jack Unger wrote: How did you determine that? Bob Moldashel wrote: It's a scam George George Rogato wrote: http://www.ebaymainstreet.com/takeaction/?campaign_id=neutrality1 I just got an email from a customer of mine asking me if this was a legit email. At first glance it appears to be a legit email, but I'm not familiar with eBay that much and this link: http://click3.ebay.com/306460395.64016.0.94684 turns into: http://www.ebaymainstreet.com/takeaction/?campaign_id=neutrality1 Here is the email she forwarded to me: *From:* Meg Whitman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, June 01, 2006 11:52 AM *Subject:* A Letter to 1941cathie from eBay CEO, Meg Whitman *eBay sent this message to xx ( xxx). * Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay. Learn more. http://click3.ebay.com/306460395.64016.0.61836 *Net Neutrality and the eBay Community: A Call to Action* Dear xxx, As you know, I almost never reach out to you personally with a request to get involved in a debate in the U.S. Congress. However, today I feel I must. Right now, the telephone and cable companies in control of Internet access are trying to use their enormous political muscle to dramatically change the Internet. It might be hard to believe, but lawmakers in Washington are seriously debating whether consumers should be free to use the Internet as they want in the future. The phone and cable companies now control more than 95% of all Internet access. These large corporations are spending millions of dollars to promote legislation that would divide the Internet into a two-tiered system. The top tier would be a Pay-to-Play high-speed toll-road restricted to only the largest companies that can afford to pay high fees for preferential access to the Net. The bottom tier -- the slow lane -- would be what is left for everyone else. If the fast lane is the information super-highway, the slow lane will operate more like a dirt road. Today's Internet is an incredible open marketplace for goods, services, information and ideas. We can't give that up. A two lane system will restrict innovation because start-ups and small companies -- the companies that can't afford the high fees -- will be unable to succeed, and we'll lose out on the jobs, creativity and inspiration that come with them. The power belongs with Internet users, not the big phone and cable companies. Let's use that power to send as many messages as possible to our elected officials in Washington. Please join me by clicking here http://click3.ebay.com/306460395.64016.0.94684 right now to send a message to your representatives in Congress before it is too late. You can make the difference. Thank you for reading this note. I hope you'll make your voice heard today. Sincerely, Meg Whitman President and CEO eBay Inc. P.S. If you have any questions about this issue, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Learn More http://click3.ebay.com/306460395.64016.0.22085 to protect yourself from Spoof (fake) e-mails. eBay sent this e-mail to you because your Notification Preferences indicate that you want to receive information about Special Events Promotions. eBay will not request personal data (password, credit card/bank numbers) in an e-mail. You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED], registered on eBay. If you do not wish to receive further communications, sign into My eBay by clicking on the My eBay link found at the top of the eBay home page and change your Notification Preferences. Please note that it may take up to 10 days to process your request. Visit our Privacy Policy http://click3.ebay.com/306460395.64016.0.40453 and User Agreement http://click3.ebay.com/306460395.64016.0.40451 if you have any questions. Copyright © 2006 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. eBay is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125. Thanks -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue
Notice to the Board..... Was: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this?
Sheesh.Here we go again. WISPA needs a Prescription plan with automatic renewals and 24 hour nursing so members will take their medication on time. Also looks like WISPA needs to fire that new Crystal Ball Reader they just hired. Another attack on the industry just got by us without her letting us know. Sure is a shame one of the members couldn't have brought it to WISPA's attention in a more mature, informative way like most members do. After all, that is a responsibility of the membership. It's also a shame that more people don't just step up to the plate and help with these issues instead of just attacking the small handful of people ( and I mean SMALL) that are doing it. But I guess with all those big paychecks the board members are making they should be doing all the work! Thankfully the Feds send us money personally just so we won't rock the boat on issues like these -B- DISCLAIMER: WISPA does not have a Crystal Ball Reader. We have a Tarrot Card Reader. She was cheaper and more fun to watch work. The Board Members do not get paid any compensation. They get all their personal satisfaction seeing that members such as George really appreciate what they are doing for him and his business. And the Fed's never sent us (past and present board members) any financial compensation. They did say that we could make Alberto Gonzales our legal adviser pro bono though.. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz through power lines?
Eric Muehleisen wrote: Getting ready to deploy 18Ghz DragonWave links. However, in the middle of my path is a set of 4 power lines (no transformer). Has anyone had any experience with this? Here is my path: DragonWave master - - - - -1/4 mile / power lines - - - - - 3 miles DragonWave slave -Eric You should be fine.Done plenty of these with no issues. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tsunami MP.11 5054-R Bad Ethernet
Proxim will repair it for $335... -B- Eric Merkel wrote: We had a storm go thru yesterday and I have a Tsunami MP.11 5054-R that is now having a problem. The unit powers up and is accessible from the wireless on the other side without any issue. Unforutnately though, the ethernet on the unit will not maintain a link to the router below. The ethernet link is constantly going up and down every few seconds but it will pass pings when it is up. The unit itself stays powered up so I don't think the cable is bad. I replaced the PoE and remade the CAT5 ends to no avail. I tried a different router as well as reflashing the 5054-R unit's firmware which didn't help either. Does anyone know if these can be repaired or is this unit just toast? This link has a backup connection so I am not under any pressure to get it fixed immediately and just wondering what my options are. -Eric -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] fiber connection for bridgewave
Mario, If you get in a jam we have the capabilities -B- Mario Pommier wrote: YOU CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON WISPA! Thanks. Mario John Scrivner wrote: http://www.panduit.com/ Find your nearest dealer or become a dealer. They train you for free. Less than $500 worth of tools and you can terminate fiber forever with low-cost easy to use parts. Why pay someone to come and put ends on your fiber when you can do it yourself? I figured it out which means anyone can. :-) Scriv Brad Belton wrote: We've always contracted out our fiber work, but be careful as not all fiber techs are equal in their abilities. We've settled on a group that is reasonable for small jobs and charges us $400 for eight connectors total including travel and parts. They do a great job no matter what type connector or type of fiber used. We tried a cheaper fiber group once. After several attempts by two different techs they told us the fiber we had was bad they couldn't shoot any light through it. I said thank you very much, here's your sign and asked them to leave. Next day the fiber was terminated by our usual group. That was a few years ago and we haven't felt it necessary to look for another fiber tech since. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] fiber connection for bridgewave Has anyone here delved into the option of terminating fiber runs for a bridgewave gigabit link? What's more economical -- to hire out the termination job or getting training and buying the terminating equipment onself? If the latter, where have you gotten the training and equipment? (I've heard the equipment is expensive). Mario --- [This e-mail was scanned for viruses by our AntiVirus Protection System] --- [This e-mail was scanned for viruses by our AntiVirus Protection System] -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat5 cable
chris cooper wrote: Im installing some 120’ runs of cat 5 in building shafts. I also need to take this through a roof penetration and 20’ across the roof to hook up to my radios. I can find exterior cable and riser rated cable, but not one that will serve both needs. Anybody have any idea where I can find such a beast? Thanks Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006 Chris, In most areas it must be plenum if it is in a common shaftway between floors without firestops. What you will probably need to do is transition from plenum to outdoor where it leaves the building. I'm sure that's not what you had in mind but if you are under code it may be your cheapest way. Just transition at a 66 block that is CAT5 rated. Otherwise, the plenum cable directly to the equipment outside will last you several years without issue. You could also install it inside pvc conduit on sleepers off the roof surface to extend life. Good Luck, -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless fiber revisited
Mario Pommier wrote: The fact you say it's a nice radio is encouraging, Tom, for me since I'm considering deploying it. But it would still be nice to hear from one or two wISP's who can say yeah, I have one installed; it's working fine, or whatever the feedback is. Anyone??? Mario OK.Yeah I have installed one and it's working fine... :-) ButI have also replaced 2 troublesome links for another VAR and replaced them with Bridgewave. Also...there was an issue with the GUI with Win XP if I remember correctly. Just FYI. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OTARD
The case involved Continental Airlines providing free Internet access to both employees and passengers who were members of their members club. The AP was set up in the lounge area where it was accessible to paid members. Continental's position was that they were within their own exclusive leased space and subsequently could provide such a service and were protected under the OTARD determination and ruling. The airport authority argued that the system could cause interference to the airports existing master antenna system which supplied passengers with cellular and internet access (for a fee obviously) amongst other services. They wanted Continental to pay to put their equipment on the master antenna system or use the airport system. In addition, they would pay for RF Studies to see if the system could be placed without issue (Probably Marlon with his spectrum analyzer! :-P ). The airport also argued that they had listed in their lease contracts with the airline that they could not use radio systems or spectrum not approved by the airport authority. Clearly the Commission must have seen this otherwise.. First, I doubt that anyone in the Commission was happy with the airport authority trying to say who could use what spectrum where. After all, that is their exclusive job as allowed by law. So that didn't go over well I'm sure. Second, Continental proved, without a doubt, that they had exclusive rights to use the space they leased. As such, they are within the OTARD guidelines to supply the service. And finally, the airport authority would need to suffer interference before they could complain about Continental's Wi-Fi system. And we all know how quick the Commission jumps on interference issues under Part 15. Especially when you are using type accepted equipment. I think the case settled as expected. -B- John Scrivner wrote: In this particular situation the client (tenant) was owner of both ends (base station and CPE) I think. Correct me if I am wrong. I seem to remember reading that the airline wanted a private WiFi network for themselves. The airport (landlord) was trying to prevent this. In this type of a situation I think OTARD would apply regardless of the type of equipment used. In the event of a base station where a third party ISP is the beneficiary of use of a base station OTARD right of access would still not apply. I welcome feedback, corrections, rebuttals here. Truth is I know little about this but think I would like to know more. If anyone else has knowledge of this particular case and can add more enlightenment it is much appreciated. Scriv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: It was. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] OTARD Fascinating. I had always read OTARD to only cover client devices and not base station devices. -Hal __ Harold Bledsoe Deliberant LLC 800.742.9865 x205 [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.deliberant.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OTARD CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, PETITION FOR DECLARATORY RULING REGARDING THE OVER-THE-AIR RECEPTION DEVICES (OTARD) RULES. Found that Massport's restrictions on Continental's use of its Wi-Fi antenna are pre-empted by the OTARD rules and therefore granted Continental's petition. (Dkt No. 05-247). Action by: the Commission. Adopted: 10/17/2006 by MOO. (FCC No. 06-157). OET http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.txt http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.txt http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.txt -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
One of the things that is really unique is that they have a 2 year warranty for a carrier class backhaul product. You don't have to buy the second year, just fill out the registration card. And there is also a written out-of-box failure policy. None of this stuff about depending who you know and how important you are. ;-) We have installed a handful of the one piece outdoor 5Ghz links and they were a piece of cake. Some real thought went into these. Really nice stuff... -B- Dawn DiPietro wrote: Paul, Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended warranties. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
A few things to consider The Exalt does the whole 5 Ghz. band, including 5.3 and 5.4 It also allows you to set the center channel on any 1 Mhz. division. It has GPS syncing so you only need to use one channel for a handful of radios at the same site. (Try doing that with Orthogon) It is capable of elctronically switching polarities like the Trango radios do. (yeah,yeah...something like the Orthogon). And finally...they are not owned by MOTOROLA! :-) FYI...I have installed approx. 11 Orthogon Spectra links. I have had power supply failures 5 times. I just waited 12 days for a replacement power supply after ordering it from the distributor. The last link we ordered was missing part of the mounting bracket. One of the mounting brackets did not have one of the holes tapped. Not fun when you are onsite for an install. I still like Orthogon. I just like Exalt better. -B- I Gino A. Villarini wrote: For that price, I'll buy an orthogon..., 64 mhz channel? wow Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Paul, Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended warranties. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
Tom, You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full duplex? How is that?? The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX If you use your equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR. Not to say what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better). So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all :-) And BTW: I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth soon... -B- Tom DeReggi wrote: The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 Mhz channel. OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only 1% of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel. Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list. This of course being best case based on noise level and acheivalbe modulation. Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000. So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to the high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost. Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone offering Voice services also. All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower than the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra $1000 bucks or two to make it survivable. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Personally I couldn't be happier. They work as expected and stated. They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very reasonable and you don't need a central controller or cabling between radios. User defined latency and channel bandwidth as well as free upgrade to 5.4 when it becomes available. The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true throughput in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 Mhz channel. Now lets address the Motorola Orthogon for a minute. It has no GPS syncing. It has no integral fiber interface. The fiber kit is an option that allows for cable runs in excess of POE lengths but you still need external power. I can put a media converter and external power on a Exalt radio also. As far as the bandwidth is concerned the Orthogon still uses 60 MHz to give full bandwidth. It just uses 30 on vertical and 30 on horizontal. On a positive note for Exalt the C/I is much better on the Exalt radio which ultimately guarantees better distance in noisy environments. The pricin on the Connectronics site is MSRP. You can get it quite a bit lower... -B- John Scrivner writes: Bob, Tell us about your experiences with these. Work as advertised? Approximate cost per pair? Thanks, Scriv Bob Moldashel wrote: Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
170 Mb FD Dragonwave... About $20K Matt Liotta wrote: Guys, We are now exceeding Orthogon's capacity on a regular basis. We are backhauling as much as we can with fiber, but that isn't an option in the suburbs. We have had good success with BridgeWave's products, but the distance is a problem. Any suggestions on a product that can do high throughput in the 5-10 mile range? I am looking for something that can easily exceed 100Mbps full duplex. I know the specs of the Orthogon Spectra and no it doesn't really get us past 100Mbps full duplex. 24Ghz unlicensed is looking like the sweet spot for us. -Matt -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
I have a handful of these in NYC and Wash DC. They kick ass and the company backs them 150%. They are my first licensed choice. Ceragon is my second. -B- Bob Moldashel wrote: 170 Mb FD Dragonwave... About $20K Matt Liotta wrote: Guys, We are now exceeding Orthogon's capacity on a regular basis. We are backhauling as much as we can with fiber, but that isn't an option in the suburbs. We have had good success with BridgeWave's products, but the distance is a problem. Any suggestions on a product that can do high throughput in the 5-10 mile range? I am looking for something that can easily exceed 100Mbps full duplex. I know the specs of the Orthogon Spectra and no it doesn't really get us past 100Mbps full duplex. 24Ghz unlicensed is looking like the sweet spot for us. -Matt -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
24 Ghz. won't do 5-10 miles. The other option is an Exalt 2.4 Ghz. or 5 Ghz radio. 100 Mb Full Duplex (Yes 2.4 Ghz.) for around $15-16K plus antennas -B- Matt Liotta wrote: John Scrivner wrote: Wow! Business must be good! That depends on your perspective. We have a ton of orders and are racing to service them all. The more we install the more capacity upgrades we have to do meaning even more installs. This kind of growth is extremely challenging because if it isn't done correctly we can destroy the company. Look at licensed. I know that is obvious but I think it is the only way short of bonding Orthogons together. I thought the max distance for 70 GHz gbps radios was about 7 miles. It has been a while since I read the specs. I am sure the rain fade would be an issue here. There is actually much less attenuation of 70 GHz than there is at 60 GHz. There is a spike of absorption of 60 GHz where water molecules eat that signal. It gets better above 60 GHz. I believe that you can go through the air better with as high as 100 GHz than what you can with 60 GHz. Obviously there are other licensed options in lower frequency space as well. I know Charles has some experience running licensed high capacity backhaul. Charles, what do you run for backhaul over 100 mbps FDX? Licensed doesn't make a lot of sense for us. We simply don't have the ability to predict where are growth is coming from. We routinely upgrade existing backhauls and/or reconnect our POPs together in different ways to increase our capacity and redundancy. With licensed we are forced to have a static configuration. I thought 24 GHz unlicensed had limited bandspace which made the top end about 100 mbps FDX? DragonWave seems to have a 24Ghz unlicensed product that can do 200Mbps full duplex. -Matt -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
It doesn't use the entire band... Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: NOo NO one should buy ANY radio anymore that uses the entire band and is always on. No more WMux fiascos needed. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
Matt Liotta wrote: Matt Liotta wrote: Its not greedy; efficient maybe, but not greedy. Whoops... meant inefficient. -Matt 100 Mb FD on a 32 Mhz. channel.That's not bad. Besides...get the GPS syc option and you can tie in a handful of links on the same channel. That makes them very efficient -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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There is a matching network that goes on the rear of the antenna. At higher freqs the loss is much lower than on lower freqs. -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Bob Moldashel wrote: You can do that now with 3 Ceragon or Dragonwave radios phased into 1 antenna with much better redundancy. If one link dies you still have the other two. How are you phasing the radios together without significant loss? -Matt -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
OK...Lets have a review.. It does not use the whole band. It has GPS sync so you can use multiple links on the same channel. That makes it efficient... It works for the application.. There is a big difference of opinion here regarding spectrum usage. My way of seeing it is as follows. 1. I always install links with the largest possible antennas to keep my beamwidth as narrow as possible regardless of distance. In NYC I consistently use 2' antennas for links one mile or less. 2. We use only the power we need to do the job. Many of our links are running 0-5 dB of output at the radio. 3. We always mount antennas using rooftop structures or adjacent buildings to shield us from others. 4. Interference happens. We have not had any interference with FD constant carrier radios. Period. Another position is why should several users be allowed to use equipment that eats up the band passing say a simple video stream and such?? How is that efficient They are eating channels running a couple of megs.I'm eating it running 100 Mb FD. How about the WISP's that are using 120* sector antennas and throwing RF all over the place every time one of his 3 subscribers decides to use their system?? How is that spectrum efficency??? Or the guy that uses an omni and the 1 watt amp??? I can go on and on. The spectrum is limited. That sucks. But business is business and it is important to do what is necessary to provide for your business at the most cost effective manner possible. Is WalMart going to be considerate of you if you have a little 5 10 store on the next block??? Of course not. And why??? Because they are serving the masses at a price that the masses want and that is what it takes to serve the masses. Will some of the 510 operators go out of business because they can't compete?? Sure they will. Its called competition. And that is just what Matt is doing. If he has the demand then he needs to do what is necessary. If his business model does not allow him to purchase expensive licensed equipment over cheaper unlicensed equipment then so be it. That's business. I came from the 2 way radio industry. I fought the beast (Nextel) for several years before it finally killed the 2-way radio industry. I was somewhat fortunate because we did predominately Public Safety and Government accounts. We were the ones to get up at 2AM on a Sunday to fix a base station while all the 2-way shops that were doing 9-5 business customers were home sleeping. When nextel killed 2-way dispatch all the other radio shops decided to start fixing Public safety and Govt customer equip. The labor rate went from $100 per hour to $40 per hour just so guys could survive. Many went out of business. Am I upset??? Sure. Did I plan for my future?? Sure. We turned on big time to microwave 12 years ago when most of you didn't even know about it. As such we have avoided the dreaded Nextel monster. Am I going to be able to do what I am doing forever??? Of course not. I am already planning my next transition. If most of you guys think you are going to be WISP's 10+ years from now I think you need to re-examine your business plan I am sure that many will be unhappy with this rant but I think it needs to be real food for thought. If I was in business and i needed 100 Mb FD of throughput between locations I'll be damned if I am going to spend extra money for equipment so I don't interfere with someone else in the future. PLEASE NOTE*I AM NOT ENDORSING INTENTIONAL INTERFERENCE BY ANYONE. So please don't say I am Good luck! -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
BTW:: While we are talking responsibility and efficiency how many of you guys and gals drive SUV's, Pick-Up trucks, Vans and other 8 cylinder vehicles Put your hands up. You know who you are.. :-) -B- Bob Moldashel wrote: OK...Lets have a review.. It does not use the whole band. It has GPS sync so you can use multiple links on the same channel. That makes it efficient... It works for the application.. There is a big difference of opinion here regarding spectrum usage. My way of seeing it is as follows. 1. I always install links with the largest possible antennas to keep my beamwidth as narrow as possible regardless of distance. In NYC I consistently use 2' antennas for links one mile or less. 2. We use only the power we need to do the job. Many of our links are running 0-5 dB of output at the radio. 3. We always mount antennas using rooftop structures or adjacent buildings to shield us from others. 4. Interference happens. We have not had any interference with FD constant carrier radios. Period. Another position is why should several users be allowed to use equipment that eats up the band passing say a simple video stream and such?? How is that efficient They are eating channels running a couple of megs.I'm eating it running 100 Mb FD. How about the WISP's that are using 120* sector antennas and throwing RF all over the place every time one of his 3 subscribers decides to use their system?? How is that spectrum efficency??? Or the guy that uses an omni and the 1 watt amp??? I can go on and on. The spectrum is limited. That sucks. But business is business and it is important to do what is necessary to provide for your business at the most cost effective manner possible. Is WalMart going to be considerate of you if you have a little 5 10 store on the next block??? Of course not. And why??? Because they are serving the masses at a price that the masses want and that is what it takes to serve the masses. Will some of the 510 operators go out of business because they can't compete?? Sure they will. Its called competition. And that is just what Matt is doing. If he has the demand then he needs to do what is necessary. If his business model does not allow him to purchase expensive licensed equipment over cheaper unlicensed equipment then so be it. That's business. I came from the 2 way radio industry. I fought the beast (Nextel) for several years before it finally killed the 2-way radio industry. I was somewhat fortunate because we did predominately Public Safety and Government accounts. We were the ones to get up at 2AM on a Sunday to fix a base station while all the 2-way shops that were doing 9-5 business customers were home sleeping. When nextel killed 2-way dispatch all the other radio shops decided to start fixing Public safety and Govt customer equip. The labor rate went from $100 per hour to $40 per hour just so guys could survive. Many went out of business. Am I upset??? Sure. Did I plan for my future?? Sure. We turned on big time to microwave 12 years ago when most of you didn't even know about it. As such we have avoided the dreaded Nextel monster. Am I going to be able to do what I am doing forever??? Of course not. I am already planning my next transition. If most of you guys think you are going to be WISP's 10+ years from now I think you need to re-examine your business plan I am sure that many will be unhappy with this rant but I think it needs to be real food for thought. If I was in business and i needed 100 Mb FD of throughput between locations I'll be damned if I am going to spend extra money for equipment so I don't interfere with someone else in the future. PLEASE NOTE*I AM NOT ENDORSING INTENTIONAL INTERFERENCE BY ANYONE. So please don't say I am Good luck! -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
http://www.exaltcom.com/ BTW: What kind of truck do you have :-P Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I thought that they did. How much do they use? - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options It doesn't use the entire band... Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: NOo NO one should buy ANY radio anymore that uses the entire band and is always on. No more WMux fiascos needed. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
are adative to all the other noise sources. I'd still argue using a radio that is more efficient will have less risk, if one is available that can meet the need. The problem with using a radio that uses full 100mhz is that there is no way to immediately resurrect interference, with no channel to run to, without contacting the interferor. See my Walmart comments. Unfortunately sometimes you can talk to the competition until they are blue in the face and nothing will happen. This forces your interfered with to resort to desperate measures to resolve the interference on their own link. It brings out the worse in your newly created enemy. Its best to allow your apponent a mechanism to cure the problem without being required to taking you down back, and asking questions later. Its about conflict avoidance not winning a conflict. Agreed...But that is not going to win all the wars unfortunately.. It's the gentlemens way to do things but not everyone in business is a gentleman. The truth is its almost impossible to tell whether you will interfere with some one else. The reason is that you can scan for noise, but you can't tell what equipment the other party is using , what noise floor they require to opperate, or the distance of their link. Again if you scan first, and the channel is empty, there is no issue here. But I find it rare in DC to find ANY channel that is EMPTY. Oh..Oh..Then I guess you won't be too happy if I tell you I have deployed 5 Exalt links in Wash. DC. 100 Mb 5 Ghz...g The challenge is usually what do I have to do to get over the noise floor. A 2ft dish still have a beamwidth of minimum 6deg, which covers a lot of territory indense Urban america. You can only do the best you can with what you can afford. My reply was not directed towards your response. It was directed to the thread in general. With unlicensed equipment there is going to be interference. And there are going to be companies that will go out of business because they can't compete wether it financially or with spectrum. Business is the oportunity to create something that will provide for others as well as for the owner. The federal government believes competition is good as we all know from the telco/LEC/CLEC/DLEC/ELEC/FLEC...etc, etc situation. But you and I as small business do not want competition (I surely don't...excuse me for being greedy :-)). If I was in the position, while it is not nice play, I would do everything in my power to use up as much of the spectrum as possible to keep others out. The oil companies do it every day. So do the pharmaceutical companies. As do others What the hell...look at Canopy. Do you think Motorola cares if they interfere with everyone and their brother??? NoThey care about market share at any legal means possible. And that's BIG business. :-) Have a great dayI have to go install another Exaly link in NYC and I'm late... -B- Rant done. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Matt Liotta wrote: Matt Liotta wrote: Its not greedy; efficient maybe, but not greedy. Whoops... meant inefficient. -Matt 100 Mb FD on a 32 Mhz. channel.That's not bad. Besides...get the GPS syc option and you can tie in a handful of links on the same channel. That makes them very efficient -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
OK...Lets look at this whole issue with one other twist. Let's say you need a large pipe to carry 100 Mb full duplex between 2 locations. You happen top have a $15K link sitting on the shelf that you could deploy. In doing so you may wipe out or interfere with the poor little WISP 2 miles away. What do you do??? Incur more expenses by buying another link that will not cause interference?? Do you pay the ILEC/CLEC?etc for a 100 Mb pipe??? Or do you put it up and just go with it??? I bet I know what most of you would do. Werger or not you will print it is another issue. But let's hear it. What would ya do?. -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
Oh Comon' Dude. A life safety system on unlicensed microwave??? What idiot would put the E911 system on Part 15 to begin with? That's just a lawsuit looking to happen. And as far as your second example...what happens when the other WISP is uneducated and builds a crappy system and his network is up and down and operates poorly?? What happens when the end user starts bitchin then??? What happens when Chavez stops selling us oil??? What happens when the mailman suddenly wants Saturdays off??? What happens.. If the competition gets blown off the air, I sell my service to the customer and work hard not to suffer the issues that he had with the prior provider. The customer in most cases goes with price and reliability, not type of service method. You know that :-) -B- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Well, SOP in a case like this is to find a way to not cause catastrophic interference to anyone that was there first. Lets change your example a little bit. Lets make it a link that the E911 system uses. You gonna blow it offline just because you can? Should you do that? What would your reputation in the community be? Now lets go up another level. When you blow your competitor offline, what does that do the your industry's reputation? Did you really gain anything, in the long run, by doing so? Nope. You hurt him AND you shot yourself in the foot by causing more doubt about your technology choices. Then there's always that ol' fashioned notion of an eye for an eye, or do unto others. grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options OK...Lets look at this whole issue with one other twist. Let's say you need a large pipe to carry 100 Mb full duplex between 2 locations. You happen top have a $15K link sitting on the shelf that you could deploy. In doing so you may wipe out or interfere with the poor little WISP 2 miles away. What do you do??? Incur more expenses by buying another link that will not cause interference?? Do you pay the ILEC/CLEC?etc for a 100 Mb pipe??? Or do you put it up and just go with it??? I bet I know what most of you would do. Werger or not you will print it is another issue. But let's hear it. What would ya do?. -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
Tom, You have been responding to this whole thread like I have been attacking your position. I'm not. My statement in a summary... Efficient use of the spectrum has multiple positions. Unfortunately others may not fit into my business plan. I am not saying blow them off the air and not work with them. I am saying that if someone comes along and can't make their new service work because I occupy the whole band then that sucks to be him. There are going to be situations where people are going to get interfered with. If there wasn't, the Commission would have licensed the band as you know. There will be survivors and there will be descendants. I like being a survivor -B- BTW: The WAR board is not type accepted. But you know that. :-P Tom DeReggi wrote: You are still totally missing the point... In doing so you may wipe out or interfere with the poor little WISP 2 miles away. What do you do??? Thats not generally the outcome. If the little WISP down the street just goes away, there is no problem. But he doesn't because his whole livelihood is invested in his WISP business. What happens is after you wipe out the poor little WISP 2 miles away, the little WISP buys a big club (big radio) and wipes you out back, and smiles after he Wiped out the poor little you. This isn't a battle about 15K gear and cheap gear. Its been proven over and over again that cooperation is more effective than fighting a WAR. The BIG rich over confident provider no longer has the upper hand to bully the little poor WISP2, just because they are better funded. Its amazing what harm a $200 WARboard and 400mw card will do with a $180 3ft PAC Wireless dish. Not that I'm suggest attempt harm. I'm just saying WISP2 can now afford to grab just a big a club as you can. This is a REAL Risk, and equalizes the playing field. You play nice or everyone looses. I never said its not occasionally necessary to install over someone else. You do what you need to do, to get the link done. I simply suggested to avoid it when you can, unless their was just cause to do other wise. I just can't understand why participants on this thread have not grasped this simple principle. If you don't get it by now, I'm wasting my breath. I'm done with this one. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options OK...Lets look at this whole issue with one other twist. Let's say you need a large pipe to carry 100 Mb full duplex between 2 locations. You happen top have a $15K link sitting on the shelf that you could deploy. In doing so you may wipe out or interfere with the poor little WISP 2 miles away. What do you do??? Incur more expenses by buying another link that will not cause interference?? Do you pay the ILEC/CLEC?etc for a 100 Mb pipe??? Or do you put it up and just go with it??? I bet I know what most of you would do. Werger or not you will print it is another issue. But let's hear it. What would ya do?. -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
There are 66 blocks that are CAT5 rated. We have also terminated on 66 blocks that were CAT5 rated and had RJ45's pre mounted and terminated to the block. If I find the mfg/part number I'll post it. BTW: I owe you a phone call. -B- Brad Belton wrote: I have been told the same regarding terminating pairs on a 110 block vs. 66 block. 110 blocks were made with CAT5 in mind whereas 66 blocks were around probably long before CAT5 was widely implemented. I'm not sure if they make 66 blocks that are CAT5 rated or not, but the ones we use come with covers labeled CAT5. We've used them in a number of projects ranging from water towers to apartment complexes. Yes, I understand there is a common color code used for 25pr, but we simply keep the pairs in the same order at each end of the cable. We haven't had any trouble maintaining 100MB FDX over this setup and in some cases the cable is every bit of 330'...maybe a bit more. Best, Brad -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought
No Comment.. :-) It was just a matter of time -B- Rick Smith wrote: nope :) Guess why. Right. No one's getting my info from that data. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Happy Holidays from Redline Communications
W.D.McKinney wrote: It's really to bad that good companies in the wireless business bow to a few that seem to think we don't know why it's a season to celebrate? Let me say wholeheartedly and unabashedly Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to everyone. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net Ahh.It's also */hanukkah/* http://www.google.com/search?hl=ensa=Xoi=spellresnum=0ct=resultcd=1q=hanukkahspell=1 so its not unreasonable to say Happy Holidays. I celebrate Christmas because I am Christian but there are also other holidays during this time of the year so Happy Holidays is not unreasonable -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Power cables???
Anyone have a source for PC power cables that are around one foot in length. I need about 40 of them. Tnx. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power cables???
Thanks Eric! Eric Albert wrote: Hi Bob, Take a look at this site for cables. http://www.hosatech.com/hosa/products/PWC-100.html Call Full Compass Systems at 1-800-356-5844. They are an excellent distributor for this kind of stuff as well as for all things pro-audio, video, lighting, etc. Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. 650-641-0072 CA Office 866-836-3844 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: rericalbert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Power cables??? Anyone have a source for PC power cables that are around one foot in length. I need about 40 of them. Tnx. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Point To Point Link - What is it?
Mike, We have installed 25+ links of Exalt. Feel free to contact me if I can help. 516-551-1131 Bob Moldashel Lakeland Comm 516-551-1131 Mike Delp wrote: http://www.midconqc.com/images/IMG_1372.JPG http://www.midconqc.com/images/IMG_1375.JPG Something doesn't work at this location and we have been asked to look into it. I am not familiar with this. Thanks for any and all help Mike -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Point To Point Link - What is it?
Alsonothing like going to the costs of buying a dual polarity antenna for a radio that has 2 antenna ports then not putting a cable to connect it! :-) Gotta luv it -B- Mike Delp wrote: http://www.midconqc.com/images/IMG_1372.JPG http://www.midconqc.com/images/IMG_1375.JPG Something doesn't work at this location and we have been asked to look into it. I am not familiar with this. Thanks for any and all help Mike -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] License Wireless Link. Microwave Networks
Rumor has it they are up for sale... FYI Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I've known them for a long time. Not one of the big guys but never heard anything at all bad about them either. Really good folks. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Javier Arigita [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] License Wireless Link. Microwave Networks I am looking for a high capacity link in license bands. I am having a look at Microwave Networks (/www.microwavenetworks.com). Do you have any experience with this manufacturer? I am not really an expert in license links. I know Ceragon, Dragonwave and Microwave. Does anyone have an idea of the ranking of vendors for license wireless links? Many Thanks and Best Regards, Javier Arigita -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] License Wireless Link. Microwave Networks
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hey there Bob! How the heck have you been? I called a couple of times to say hello but never made it past your voice jail. I was starting to wonder if you'd fallen off a ladder or something! laters, marlon Not me. Sorry for not getting back to you but you never left a number when you left a message and I lost your number when I changed Blackberry's. I yes I am too lazy/busy to look it up on the web. Been just real busy. Don't have time for anything... Hope all is well with everyone here. BTW: I would have thought you would have retired by now Marlon! :-) -B- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature. So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible. Also, it may not be possible to turn down the power. So it may not be that simple. A certified letter from an attorney is probably more in order. Unfortunately using unlicensed spectrum does not leave you with much recourse. This has been discussed over and over on these lists but the final outcome is always that you are taking a risk using Part 15 spectrum. Good luck in your battle. Bob Ray Jean wrote: Travis Thanks for the input .that is a possible solution but not one that could be implemented quickly or easily.It would require a new Hpol omni about $2200 a climb to install it and a trip to about 100 customers home to change their eum antenna to h pol.This may be how it gets resolved but really all we need to to do is have them turn the power down on their equipment which only needs to reach 100 ft or the area of their loading dock.or drop to a 5or 10 mhz channel that is not on our freq of 918.4.It would be a simple problem to resolve if we could get any cooperation from walmart.Any ideas on how how we could create interference to their system to get their attention.I realize this is not the proper way to resolve the problem but it might encourge them to be better rf neighbors maybe. Thanks Ray Hill - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid Hi, You may want to try changing polarity and see if that helps. Often going from vertical to horizontal will make a big difference. Travis Microserv Ray Jean wrote: Hello List We have an interference problem come up this week that we have been unable to resolve.Hopefully someone here has some input on how to resolve it.The problem is walmart installed a rfid scanning system at there loading dock which instantly raised the noise floor at our 900 mhz waverider access point by 20 db which killed about 30 of our weakest links.this equipment is operating across the whole band so there is no way to change channels and get away from it.The walmart store manager says its not his problem and refuses to call the company that installed it .I called the company which is adt security and they refuse to do anything unless walmart request it.walmart home office will not return my calls and the regional manager actually hung up on me and will not take calls from us now.We have been very polite with them upto this point and gave them no reason to act like jerks.Does anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve this problem? Thanks Ray Hill surfmore. net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower climbing
Looks like someone was not paying attention when they installed it. You just gotta get balls of steel and slide over. Down one cross member and up another. We do it all the time. BTW: Be careful... :-) -B- Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I am looking for some advice on the proper climbing technique for a new tower we just installed on. Over the past 10 years, I have climbed hundreds of towers including free standing, guyed, 40ft to 120ft without any problems or fears. However this new tower is much more difficult. I believe it's a Rohn 200ft free standing tower with 3 legs. The issue is there are only foot pegs on one leg up to the 80ft level... then the pegs start on another leg and go up from 80ft to the top. Getting from one leg to another at the 80ft level is the challenge. As you can see from the picture, the gap from the top brace to the bottom brace is almost 10feet in the center (I am 6'1). http://www.ida.net/users/tlj/teton.JPG Anyone have any suggestions on a better way to accomplish the leg to leg movements across the braces? Thanks, Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
