Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

2008-08-20 Thread John Thomas
If you have a Netflow compatible router at the edge, you can use

http://manageengine.adventnet.com/products/netflow/network-bandwith-monitoring.html

John Thomas

Eric Rogers wrote:
 I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary
 information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP).  They are
 looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger
 chats/passwords.  What would be ideal would be a passive device that
 acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the
 www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at
 the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it.  Maybe even amount of
 bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature.

  

 Any ideas?  I have recommended software that is a keylogger and
 recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e.
 sniffer.

  

 Thanks,

  

 Eric Rogers

 Precision Data Solutions, LLC

 (317) 831-3000 x200



 
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Re: [WISPA] routers

2008-09-24 Thread John Thomas
Cisco 851's run about $$300 and the 871's run about $450.

John Thomas


Travis Johnson wrote:
 I was hoping to find something a little more user friendly, as the 
 company buying isn't real tech savvy. Something with a nice web gui 
 and easy to understand settings.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Butch Evans wrote:
 On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:

   
 I'm looking for a recommendation on an Ethernet router (two ports 
 or more) that is somewhere in between a $50 Linksys and a $500 
 Cisco ASA. Something that will do some basic QoS would be nice. Any 
 suggestions?
 

 Mikrotik's 400 series routers are very good for this purpose.  They 
 are, in my opinion, better in most respects than either of the 
 devices you mention, but cost is between your numbers.  ;-)  You can 
 get from 1 to 9 ethernet ports for less than $200 with all the power 
 you need to run good QOS management.  Another alternative, though 
 I'm not sure it would fit in the price model you mention, is 
 ImageStream.  They have all the power of Linux with the benefit of 
 tested package interactions.  VERY nice solution.

   
 



 
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Re: [WISPA] Rackmount PoE

2008-10-08 Thread John Thomas
These are $399 for a 24 port POE switch

http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/AdvancedSmartSwitches/FS728TP.aspx


John


Mike Hammett wrote:
 Does anyone have any recommendations for rackmounted PoE injectors?  I was 
 looking at a Panduit PoE injecting 24 port patch panel, but I imagine that'll 
 cost an arm and a leg.  I'm not sure how many I'll need, but I'm guessing 
 around 30.


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Re: [WISPA] good multicast wi-fi mesh solution?

2008-11-02 Thread John Thomas
The Cisco 1500 series products can do multicast, but they are pricey...

John Thomas


Rogelio wrote:
 I'm looking for wireless wi-fi mesh (preferably multiradio) solutions 
 that will support multicasting.

 I was looking for something along the lines of BelAir, but I'm told that 
 they have limited multicasting support.  Now I have to find out whether 
 or not other radios I might want to use outweigh some of the advantages 
 I'd get with BelAir (ruggedness, mesh capacity, radio sensitivity, etc)

 Any suggestions here would be greatly appreciated!


 
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Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers OT: Windows updates

2008-11-02 Thread John Thomas
They need WSUS installed on their site

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/wsus/default.aspx

John Thomas


Scottie Arnett wrote:
 ...and from many website's you will never get this. The traffic congestion on 
 a 100 meg link can choke it down to less than 10 meg, with huge sites such as 
 myspace, yahoo, and many others...not saying that it happens often. I host 
 about 50 websites on a 3 meg connection for myself and others, and in 8 years 
 have NEVER heard a single complaint from my webhosters. A 10 meg download 
 from Chuck's customer to my web server will NEVER be realized. As Chuck says, 
 the bandwidth test is on a server that the customer directly connects to 
 across their wireless link, which is a true bandwidth check to that point. 
 The truth is in the advertising...If he says you will get 10 meg to any place 
 at any time, he might get busted for false adv. Not sure how he does it, but 
 if it is worded right, he will get many more customers and no 
 complaints...just cause of burstiness of web surfing.

 On another note, is their a way to cache or get a server closer to you for 
 windows updates? I have a hospital on our network that has 60+ PC's on the 
 inside. They are killing us with windows updates at certain times...like 
 Service Pack 3...?

 Scott



 -- Original Message --
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:06:15 -0600

   
 Bigger number in the advertising and on your website gets the customer.
 We are truthful.  The truth is, you will most likely see 10.2 Mbps any 
 random time you choose to do a speed test.
 You will also get wide open throttle most of the time you are clicking 
 around web sites and checking your email.
 DSL cannot do this.  Most Comcast accounts cannot do this.  Because we can 
 do this, we get and keep customers.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers


  Again, I have to say, up to 8Mbps is completely different than selling a 
 true 8Mbps. I can sell an up to 8Mbps service using 802.11b equipment 
 too.

  Maybe I'll start selling an up to 100Mbps service for the same price as 
 all my other packages... ;)

  Travis
  Microserv

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 We sell up to 8Mbps on Canopy advantage without issues.  Nearly all our
 customers are within a couple miles though and as long as they have less
 than a -76, they get full speed.  Rarely do we have two customers doing full
 speed at the same time on the same sector.  (Most we have on a sector is 50)
 Maybe we are luckier than most
 The main problem on Advantage (as well as other systems) is upload.
 However, Canopy QoS is good and even saturated links don't affect VoIP
 quality.  We sell a small business 8/2 package and when you see one of them
 soaking upload for long periods and a couple customers running outbound P2P,
 you start to worry a little but we haven't had any complaints due to
 capacity.


 On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  Chuck,

 Not to rain on your parade but... I'm a little confused on how 10.2 mbps is
 possible w/ Canopy. Advantage series peak capacity is just for short range
 customers, and a large percentage of the capacity can be voided by by the
 farther out slower non-advantage CPEs. When Up/down rate ratios have to be
 pre-fined (for syncing) that limits the radio from using the ful capacity
 of
 the Radio.  Its one of the big reasons that we chose Trango 8 years ago
 originally, so that it was infact possible to get full radio speed in one
 direction  when it was available in low usage time, so we could quote
 higher
 speeds to business symetrical customers.

 Sure, if we consider 14mb real world advantage best case for Advantage
 series, use all advantage series CPE, and do a 70 / 30 download to upload,
 sure 10mbps peak downloads are possible for a single client, in that
 scenario.  Provided that the WISP was fine with all other customers being
 100% STARVED at the time the one customer was monopolizing the peak
 capacity.
 We tried that once, and it was a big mistake because it caused latency to
 sky rocket for all the other customers when they first attempted to use
 capacity, and the feel of the circuit because very bursty feeling. The
 short
 pauses made it feel like something was wrong with the circuit. TCP could
 not
 deal with it properly, it needs time to tune.  Because of TCP's reaction,
 it
 actually translated to a slower experience than if we just gave customers
 half the speed.  So My Points is

 Your concept of bursting a HIGH capacity for short periods is a sound
 concept, provided that you never let one cusomer have ALL your bandwdith.
 Headroom is needed. We found that if we let our customers burst to half the
 radio full capacity, we could use the same technique

Re: [WISPA] cancelled customer email

2008-11-08 Thread John Thomas
Most ISP's  I know of charge $5 per account per month, so that seems to 
be an accepted price.

John


Josh Luthman wrote:
 Personally without an internet package I'd do 10 or 15

 On 11/6/08, Jerry Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 $5/month per address




 __
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 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3
 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:18 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] cancelled customer email

 I think we keep it alive for $5/month.

 - Original Message -
 From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:12 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] cancelled customer email


 
 OK guys. I've never had this happen before so I'm not usre what to do.
 I've got a long time customer that has fallen for the ATT DSL
 giveaway package and is switching. He asked if he could pay a small
 monthly rate to keep his email addresses for a few months until he
 gets the word out. My first reaction is to tell him to take a flying
 leap. After some thought, I want to be reasonable. I've thought about
 telling him he can do so with a low end plan. We dont sell email
 accounts. How do you handle this?
 -RickG



   
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Vista VPN Question

2008-11-18 Thread John Thomas
Uncheck the  use default gateway on remote network option in the Vista 
box.

John


Mike Hammett wrote:
 PPTP VPN connection.

 I'll see what is supported in this regard.


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 From: Matt Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:48 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vista VPN Question

   
 What type of VPN are you using?
 Some allow publishing or advertising of routes to the client when the
 VPN is established

 On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 10:59 -0800, Charles Wyble wrote:

 
 Mike Hammett wrote:
   
 Is there a way to setup Vista so that only certain subnets are routed 
 over a VPN link?  It seems silly that a customer with a 16 meg Comcast 
 connection pushes all Internet traffic through the office's 2/2 
 connection.

 
 There is a route command you can use from the command prompt. :)

 Or do it via DHCP options if your running a full DHCP server
 (Cisco,Linux,Windows NT/200(x).


 
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Re: [WISPA] Remote Powered Access Pont

2008-11-21 Thread John Thomas
Depending on where this is, you may be able to mount a small wind generator.

http://www.solardyne.com/air403wingen.html

John



Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
 I would use a 100 watt panel minimum.
 And a one month battery.  5watts * 24hours * 30 days = 3600 watt hour 
 battery
 If you are running a 24 volt system then you need 3600/24=150 aH battery.
 If you are running a 12 volt system, you need a 300 aH battery.

 You will pay about 30 cents per watt hour for a battery.  So $1080 for the 
 battery.
 You will pay about $5/watt for the panel, so $500 for the panel.
 Charge controllers are about $100 or less.

 If you build it this way it will always work.  You can put in half the 
 battery for half the price.  But then you have only two weeks of insurance 
 against bad weather.

 Never ever go below 10X the load for the panel, that will just barely cut it 
 in the sunniest of climates.
 Even then you will probably have to put in a back up generator and you will 
 be cycling the crap out of your batts causing them to only last a couple of 
 years.

 If you want 99.999% reliability you have to use a panel 24X the size of the 
 load (unless you have a tracking mount, then you can reduce that).
 I try to always use 20X panels and no less than a 2 week battery.  But even 
 then, a week or two of snow on the panels and gray skies every day can cause 
 an outage.


 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:33 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Remote Powered Access Pont


   
 I'm looking into setting up a remote access point/repeater.
 Power requirements are 5W. No access to grid power.

 I was curious what you guys use for this type of thing?
 I figure I need a 30W solar panel, controller, battery and enclosure.
 How much should I expect to pay for a setup?
 Is there anything available off the shelf?

 Thanks for your help.
 Scott



 
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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-30 Thread John Thomas

http://www.nefiber.com/

Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber 
Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on 
a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 
10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up.
These guys do fiber in California

http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/

They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 
100 meg for about $7000 per month.

John

Mike Hammett wrote:
 Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers 
 are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity 
 possibilities are in their areas.


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 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

   
 Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.

 J Hodge
 630.445.3779


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

 I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
 BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

 
 Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?

 J Hodge
 630.445.3779

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

 Hi,

 So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on
 my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only
 a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload
 traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)?

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mike Hammett wrote:
   
 208.111.168.6


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 From: Travis Johnson
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


 Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from?

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox...
 the
 bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks.

 Not quite as open as Youtube's Yes, we will peer with you., but they
 have
 an open peering policy  that'll happen when you're generating 1000
 Gbps
 of traffic.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

   Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from?


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

 In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up 
 to
 provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users.  Not only
 can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your
 computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it
 mainstream for many who have never used it.  Not to mention the super
 low cost of basically $9 bucks a month!

 I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox
 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs.  Soon as you hear, gigs, you
 may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video
 stream.  So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are
 interested in how much bandwidth this service uses!   A

 You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp.   Feel free
 to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions!

 --
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 http://www.linktechs.net/

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[WISPA] Eugene Fiber

2008-12-01 Thread John Thomas
Did this ever happen?

http://media.www.dailyemerald.com/media/storage/paper859/news/2001/07/12/UndefinedSection/Eweb-Will.Forge.Ahead.With.FiberOptic.Metronet-1974474.shtml

Is this of value?

http://www.pcinw.com/news/company_news.html

John

Mark Nash wrote:
 I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from
 which I can backhaul to my network.  Anyone know of a good site or have
 contacts for people who could quote in my area?  We're looking for 30-40
 megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a reasonable
 rate, we'd go for it.

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


   
 There deals clear down to $7/meg.
 Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.

 - Original Message - 
 From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


 
 http://www.nefiber.com/

 Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber
 Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
 a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
 They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes
   
 up.
   
 These guys do fiber in California

 http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/

 They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do
 100 meg for about $7000 per month.

 John

 Mike Hammett wrote:
   
 Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these
 providers
 are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
 possibilities are in their areas.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


 
 Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.

 J Hodge
 630.445.3779


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
 On
   
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

 I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
 BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


   
 Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?

 J Hodge
 630.445.3779

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 On
   
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

 Hi,

 So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue
 on
 my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with
 
 only
   
 a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload
 traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)?

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mike Hammett wrote:

 
 208.111.168.6


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




 From: Travis Johnson
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


 Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from?

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my
   
 XBox...
   
 the
 bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks.

 Not quite as open as Youtube's Yes, we will peer with you., but
   
 they
   
 have
 an open peering policy  that'll happen when you're generating
   
 1000
   
 Gbps
 of traffic.


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 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

   Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from?


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Re: [WISPA] Tricky infrastructure question

2008-12-09 Thread John Thomas
If you use managed switches on both ends that properly support 
EtherChannel and/or LACP, then your down time should be about 30 seconds 
or less as the trunks setup. The main thing is that you will want  the 
links as balanced as you can get them.

John Thomas


Ugo Bellavance wrote:
 Hi everyone

 We are using a pfsense firewall to protect some kind of WiFi campus.

 Here is the current setup:


 Building 1 [PfSense - Netgear switch - WiFi Antenna (1)] - RF - 
 Building 2 [WiFi Antenna - Netgear switch - Client computers].  We 
 have a few buildings that are all connected to the central antenna in 
 Building 1.

 We are currently using vlans because we have VoIP services going through 
 this and different kind of users.  Everything is working OK as of now. 
 However, the max bandwidth of one WiFi link like that is about 10 mbps. 
   To increase the total bandwidth, we want to add another antenna in 
 Building 1.  We though of 2 ways to achieve what we want... Trunking 
 (EtherChannel) of another vlan.  We also tought of just trying to just 
 connect the extra antenna and see how it goes, but we were worried of 
 forming a loop.

 We found out that there are pros and cons to each approach:

 Trunking (EtherChannel):

 Pros:
 - Probably the best fit for that purpose
 - No other change to the architecture
 - Intelligent load balancing between the two WiFi links

 Cons:
 - We are not sure if the switch will be able to manage that correctly, 
 since it goes through the air.
 - Must cause downtime for all end-users

 Extra Vlan

 Pros:
 - We can prepare our setup in parallel, minimizing downtime, 0 downtime 
 even possible

 Cons:
 - Many changes to the current setup
 - Duplication of config
 - Since our DHCP server is not on PFsense, we would have to put it on 
 PFsense or on the other vlan.

 Anyone has been in a similar situation?  All input would be appreciated.

 Regards,

 Ugo



 
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Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?

2008-12-09 Thread John Thomas
Based on the reviews, it looks like these may have some firmware problems...

Marlon, what kind of space are you talking about?

Here's a Buffalo box that does 4 TB ( 3TB in RAID 5) for $1000

http://shop4.frys.com/product/5782802?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

John


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 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?

   
 We do it.  Handybackup has been a nice little program.

 What I'm stuck on is how to get ahold of a cheap enough solution for 
 massive
 amounts of storage.  Anyone got any ideas for inexpensive storage space?

 Because handy backup encrypts everything before sending it to my servers
 security doesn't have to be super good.
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?


 
 I do, but I'm not happy with the provider I chose.  He just uses someone
 else's software, but it has so many files that it errors on, it's
 ridiculous
 I have to manually remove that file from the backup set and try again.
 With
 over a half million files...


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 Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as 
 a
 value added or revenue improving service?

 Was it a success or failure?



 
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[WISPA] Lafayette LA, 10 Meg fiber, $28.95 / month.

2008-12-28 Thread John Thomas

Have you guys in Louisiana heard about this?

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Lafayette-Unveils-FTTH-Pricing-99838



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Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread John Thomas
I just got a quote today from a HE reseller for the HE facility in 
Fremont CA
$599 cabinet with 15 amps
$699 cabinet with 15 amps and 20 Megabits/sec
$899 cabinet with 15 amps and 100 megabits/sec

John


Tom DeReggi wrote:
 HE even has $1250 GEs
 

 Wow, is that transport or transit?

 Yeah, 2 months ago, we were going to get an Abovenet transport to Hurricain 
 transit because Hurricane's market low pricing, but then Equinix started 
 giving us a hard time on colo, trying to charge us more for the colo than 
 both the transport and transit links combined, so we pulled the plug on the 
 order.

 Hurricaine had the $2 /mb on GIg-E as long as also do IPv6 w/ IPv4. But 
 where HE did better is they also gave good pricing on the low capacity 
 commits. That makes it cost effective to give HE a try, before going all 
 out, provided you're in a colo they are at.

 We also found a couple providers that had some really cool programs like you 
 commit to a monthly dollar figure, but could accept the bandwdith from any 
 Equinix facility or distributed between several of them, and move the 
 capacity on the fly to either location. It was  great option for someone 
 wanting to expand nationwide, but not knowing where sales will develop first 
 more.
 But it also allowed Gig-E pricing without having to pay for GIg-E in 
 multiple locations.

 Its to bad its at Equinix though, cause a lot of teh value proposition got 
 killed once transport added to it to get out to remote cell site, or 
 Equinix's clueless overcharging of antenna roof space.
 Again its really sad when someone tried to charge more for an antenna 
 position than a GIg-E fiber link.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams


   
 Not to you, but to the thread:

 Cogent isn't even the low cost leader anymore.

 PCCW is often cheaper as is HE.

 HE even has $1250 GEs and $400 FEs.


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 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:17 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

 
 Brad,

 Once again I disagree.

 Cogent represents themselves as  low cost, but they have never 
 represented
 themselves as low quality.

 Second, Cogent is most ideal as the FIRST PRIMARY provider, because 
 Cogent
 is higher performing, and faster speed connections are more affordable.
 I agree, a backup secondary provider is needed to help when there are
 short
 outages. The backup providers dont need to be as high a capacity, or as
 quality, as they are seldom used exempt in the rare emergencies.

 Third, What determines how inexpensive a Transit provider is has nothing
 to
 do with Quality, it has to do with who has more settlement free peers.
 Cogent costs less, because Cogent has to pay fewer other ISPs for
 capacity.  This DOES NOT mean they use low quality public peering, it
 means
 that they have more quality private peering negotiated at better terms.

   
 Bottom line is any carrier can break
 
 That, I agree with.  Which is why its important to have two upstreams.
 But,
 that is not a reason to not buy Cogent first.
 By buying Cogent first it allows a provider to become more profitable
 sooner, and therefore able to afford sooner multiple upstreams.

 Its also depends on what the downstream offers in its value proposition.
 With Cogent, I offer my custoemrs Gig-E when others can offer 100mb.
 With Cogent, I can offer my customers half the price, if not 1/3rd the
 price
 that my tier2 competitiors can offer.
 With Cogent, I offer excellent performance, better than most, most of the
 time, and if they get an outage so what.
 Is it really better to have less good performance all the time, to gain
 .009
 better uptime?
 That depends on the target client base of the WISP.

 You also got another thing right... I am largely dependant on Cogent, and
 I
 hate that.  But its relevent to ask why I'm dependant? When I first
 started
 out, it was because of price, but not anymore. I'm dependant on Cogent
 because its really hard to find a Tier1 Carrier that can offer anywhere
 near
 as equivellent consistent performance and tech support. My customers
 really
 noticed, everytime I tried someone else, so someone else never lastest.

 Note that I did not say uptime, I said performance.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams


   
 While I agree no solution can be considered equal in 

Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

2009-10-27 Thread John Thomas
Sometimes, you can contact the carriers and they will install repeaters 
for their clients.

John


jp wrote:
 I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel at home and it works great to bring 
 cellular into my home which is otherwise a dead-zone.

 Now, since we're the local gurus of all thing wireless, one of our 
 customers is wanting something comparable for a larger area in an rf 
 unfriendly building (large metal building with various metal additions). 
 It may be necessary to have multiple cellular boosters to provide the 
 indoor coverage they need. I'm studying the various brands at Tessco, 
 and they include the wi-ex series, Wilson, and Digital Antenna Inc.

 Seems these are amps, do I need to be concerned about feedback between 
 systems if these are within earshot of each other? I know the outdoor 
 antenna has to be sufficiently isolated from the indoor antenna to 
 provide the gain, which shouldn't be a problem based on the type of 
 construction. Has anyone does a project like this?


   




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Re: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right tobar telecommunicationstowers

2009-10-27 Thread John Thomas
There are several of these on I80 and Hwy 50 in Northern CA. These silly 
things cost like $40,000 to sort of look like a tree

John

Tom Sharples wrote:
 We spotted several on a recent road-trip around the Sacramento area. Looked 
 like the world's worst fake Christmas tree from Walmart!

 Tom S.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right tobar 
 telecommunicationstowers


   
 You can find a lot of fake palm trees in Las Vegas for similar reasons 
 that
 if they didn't hide the towers then they couldn't put up any more. Drive
 north towards Nellis airforce base on I-15 on the left side along the rail
 road tracks one of the palms is not a real palm. There are plenty others
 around that I seen on different smaller roads.

 Cities wants cell phones and good coverage but many starts to be sticklers
 about letting the towers go up to give this coverage. T-mobile and ATT 
 had
 a very long outdrawn fight to be able to install the towers they needed 
 in
 Pittsburg to get the coverage required. They ended up having to share 
 tower
 but even then it was not easy for then. Sister town Frontenac expedited
 their request on the other hand. The differences between cities politics 
 and
 building approvals can be very different (one reason we are now located in
 Frontenac instead of Pittsburg because Frontenac bent over backwards to 
 make
 us happy and get us going while with both Pittsburg as well the county
 everything we wanted threw up red flags).

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Greg
 Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:19 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right to bar
 telecommunicationstowers

 The town of Saddle River NJ fought the phone company and they reached an
 agreement - the phone company decorated the tower with fake evergreen
 branches. The tower looks like a big pine tree. If you're ever driving on
 Rt. 17 look at the big pine tree right next to the highway at the Saddle
 River exit.

 Greg

 On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Jeff Broadwick
 jeffl...@comcast.netwrote:

 
 After all, travel is often as much about the journey as it is about the
 destination.

 WOW?!?!

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 Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:48 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right to bar
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 http://www.benton.org/outgoingframe/29127


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Re: [WISPA] MT Lamer question

2009-10-27 Thread John Thomas
Is there any reason that you want those IP addresses accessing your box 
at all?
You can probably block several /8's and make things work better.

John


Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
 Lamer question-
 I have a MT box we use for a public hotspot and logs reveal folks are trying 
 to hack the password (from WAN, not actual customers) - IPs trace back to 
 China and stuff.. anyhow - is there an easy way to implement a temporary (12 
 hour) or so ban on an IP after x attempts?  Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5

2009-11-10 Thread John Thomas
How about

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetailproductId=69899-1267-FO550Mlpage=none

where the dogs can reach it?

John

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going
 from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times.

  

 Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got
 one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a
 different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. 

  

 I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog..

  

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com

  

  

  



 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread John Thomas
I know that used to be an issue, but we have been seeing great results 
with Cisco 2960 series switches.

John


RickG wrote:
 Cisco makes great routers but their switches suck. They have port
 compatability issues with other equipment.

 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote:

   
 There are tons of great Cisco Switches going for cheap on the secondary
 markets in that price range and port density...

 I think the orignial poster of the email thread was looking for something
 small, hardend, low power for outdoor application.


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
 Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jayson Baker
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 PM
 To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24, 48
 ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them.
 I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually.

 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 wrote:

 
 BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches
   
 ?
 
 Thanks.


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 Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Nick Olsen
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G

 I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll
 think about it answer.

 1. Ability to label ports
 2. Ability to label vlans
 3. Ability to disable a port

 All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of
 memory/firmware size to implement.

 In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a
 awesome switch.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
 To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
 General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 There are several classes of VLAN switches.

 I'll use SMC as an example...

 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are
 very

 intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label
 each

 port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
 Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done.
 But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy
 to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients.
 They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches
 and end location switches.

 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything
 with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well
 for dual

 purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch.
 They

 lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable
 or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN
 functionality is enabled by making it aware.
 It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config,
 because

 the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

 SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are
 functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN
 switches as described in #2 above.
 But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which
 give

 them a step up over other basic web switch products.
 Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports,
 possibly SPF

 ports.

 I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost,
 that

 had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be
 labled in software.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

   
 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit,
 Management
 
 is
   
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be 

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

2009-11-19 Thread John Thomas
Also HP had 100 VG AnyLAN that used 4 wires.

John


Jerry Richardson wrote:
 There was a technology that used all 4 pairs. It was a proprietary solution 
 that put Video on one set and data on the other. Broadxxx or something like 
 that.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:01 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

 Don't think so, pretty confident gigabit is 2 pair still.  Could be wrong...

 On 11/18/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
   
 I believe 100 megs requires 2 pair and Gig requires all 4 pair in addition
 to certain quality measures.


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 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:58 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

 
 Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair.  Transmit and receive.
 Can
 easily do 100mbps.  You could even get it to do gigabit with not much
 effort.  No PoE though, no pair for that. HOWEVER, the problems come from
 the nasty connections everyone including the phone company has made.  Most
 phone line isn't clean like a network cable you would run.  Who knows
 where the hell the splices and rodent chewed ends are at and if they stick
 with a common wiring scheme throughout the structure.  If it was the best
 option, you could at least test and give up quickly if it fell on its
 face.

 There used to be some home networking nics that used the phone lines in
 the
 home and you could also use the phones with the things connected.  That
 was
 in the late 1990's, early 2000.  Some Gateway desktops came with them.  I
 never saw them used though.

 Bob-




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 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

 That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except
 references
 to the standard being 10Mbps:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable
 Any examples?

 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote:

   
 With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire!

 -Kevin


 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 100Mbps on cat 3? Really?

 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:

   
 We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house.
 My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the
 same
 as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line?
 Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring
 is
 virtually unused.

 Thanks,
 Forbes




 
 
 
   
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Re: [WISPA] Need a new AP

2009-11-19 Thread John Thomas
Cisco 1200 series will plug right in

John

AJ wrote:
 Hahaha Gmail ads came up with this firmware as I was reading this thread:

 http://www.fireserve.com/products/ubiquiti/bullet-m-firmware.php

 chop
 *Adds 802.11-compatible encryption modes
 *The stock Ubiquiti firmware only supports WPA-AES encryption.  Our firmware
 adds support for 64-bit and 128-bit WEP, WPA-TKIP and WPA2-TKIP.
 /chop


 Pretty spendy for just a single unit...

 On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:

   
 In that case, use a MikroTik RB411R.
 Integrated radio, and MT can do various encryptions you need.

 Sorry, I overlooked that part of the request.

 On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:16 PM, pat p...@inlandnet.com wrote:

 
 Bullet M2's won't do WEP until the release of firmware version 5.1 which
 has been in just a couple of weeks for at least the last two months.



 Jayson Baker wrote:
   
 UBNT Bullet M2?

 On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM, pat p...@inlandnet.com wrote:


 
 I have one small group on an old Cisco Aironet 350, which only does
 802.11b.

 1)  I want to have at least a b/g mix, n capable a bonus.

 2)  Must support WEP encryption, but be able to handle a mix of WEP
   
 and
 
 WPA simultaneously.  (WEP for legacy clients that I haven't upgraded)

 3)  Must play nice with Tranzeo CPQ and CPE200.

 You input is helpful.

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Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?

2009-11-23 Thread John Thomas
On a Cisco 1231, Band 3 is 5.470 to 5.725 GHz.

John


George Morris wrote:
 Its part of 5.4. In Canada, you have to stay out of 5600-5650 due to weather
 radar, suspect the US may be much the same...

 George 

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:22 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?

 My new MIMO radios have 5.6 GHZ on them, I don't recall that frequency
 being available in the US.  Is it?

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Re: [WISPA] public subnet

2009-12-21 Thread John Thomas
A great article talking about why NOT to block ICMP

http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6524/1/

 From the article,

In short, blocking ICMP is detrimental to the successful operation of 
networks. It will break more than just ping; in fact, many protocols 
will be neutered if ICMP isn't working.

John




RickG wrote:
 Ya, and further proof it should work is that it works at my office on the
 same tower. I cant blame their cisco because I bypassed it with my laptop.
 No proxy server. Everything goes through the RB450G. So, the only
 differences are the WRAP on the tower and the CPE. I'll try the CPE next.
 Will advise.

 BTW: I agree with you on ICMP. I usually make them allow that, if they want
 my help :)

 Thanks! -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote:

   
 Unless there is a rouge NAT statement someplace, I do not see anything
 specific that would be causing this (as described)
 What about a proxy server ? Are all connections heading out the NAT IP
 or only HTTP?


 On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:40 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The thing is they had a bridge from the other tower and it was working.
   
 The
 
 only thing thats changed is the tower. RIP is on RB450G and WRAP's. Dont
 know about Cisco as it is the customers and I dont have control. They
   
 also
 
 have ICMP turned off amongst other things. Should I still see it?
   
 I would request that ICMP be allowed to your internal network at
 least. Personally, I control everything down to the ethernet
 port. Past that, its their ball (but mostly I handle the LAN too)

 
 Yes, NAT is being done from RB450G using 10.0.0.0/8.
 Thanks! -RickG

 On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:08 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net 
 jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

   
 Mmmm. bridging CPE, make sure its not proxy arping.

 Check your RIP, if its turned on, on both the wrap and Csico, should be
 seen.

 Where is the IP that is doing NAT located, on the RB450? The only way I
 
 had
 
 that
 work correctly was to drop all chain rules and tell NAT to source
 10.0.0.0/8
 when going out dst interface. I have 2 routers at the core one for BGP 
 etc
 upstream, the other for NAT and in building hand-off (couple lans's and
 wireless, then the BH's to the rest of the network + the hotspot).


 RickG wrote:
 
 I agree but traceroutes run perfectly. Just to be clear, here is the
   
 setup:
 
 Inet-RB450G(Firewall)-WRAP/StarOS-CPE-Customer Device (Cisco).
 The subnet is 204.62.63.76/30.
 RB450G has the subnet defined in the filter rules as chain forward.
 The wireless interface on the WRAP has 204.62.63.77 assigned.
 The CPE is in bridge mode so its on a private IP.
 The Cisco has 204.62.63.78 assigned to ether1.
 All with a 255.255.255.252 subnet mask.
 I tested with my laptop in place of the router.
 One strange item I noticed. I'm running RIP and it does not see the
   
 WRAP
 
 with 204.62.63.77 assigned.
 Any other ideas?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:13 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net 
 jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

   
 Routing or firewall setup issues. I pass a /24 and a /8 (NAT) across
 
 my
 
 entire
 network. I use one place of NAT (well a few users still have in house
 
 NAT)
 
 I
 would do traceroutes from and to the end IPs and see where things
 
 start
 
 to
 
 look
 wrong.

 RickG wrote:
 
 OK, I've got a good one. I’m trying to pass public subnets to a
   
 couple
 
 of
 
 customers. They worked before I switched them to a new, closer
   
 tower.
 
 Bascially, it will not show the public IP when checking at
 whatismyip.combut rather my firewall ip. Obviuosly, I can get on the
 net with the public
 ip's. What's weird is that it works at my office which is on the
   
 same
 
 tower
 
 although it is a different access point. However, the AP's are the
   
 both
 
 WRAP/StarOS units. My AP is running 5GHz and the customers is
   
 running
 
 2.4GHz. One other difference is that the customer's CPE is aNS2L and
   
 mine
 
 is
 
 a NS5. I did try a Tranzeo CPQ as well. The only other difference is
   
 that
 
 the customer is now only one hop from the firewall versus two hops
   
 before.
 
 Any thoughts?

 -RickG



   
 
 
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[WISPA] WiFiSplurper

2009-12-25 Thread John Thomas
Has anyone ever seen this?

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/05/30/wifi-slurper-grabs-u.html

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[WISPA] ATT was Re: Wimax gear

2010-01-01 Thread John Thomas
Unless the Federal Government gives ATT a blank check and ORDERS them 
to this, it is NOT ever going to happen. I have seen copies of Project 
Pronto documents that said the San Francisco Bay Area was supposed to 
have fiber to the home 10 years ago. Yes, there were a few strands 
installed, but nowhere near what what promised to get what they wanted 
from the lawmakers. We just tried to get an ADSL circuit installed in 
Concord CA, and it took a month, and at least 5 different tech site visits.

John

Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Patrick,

  Major SNIPThe technology is there, I just hope our industry accomplishes 
 the price 
   
 point needed for mass scale in time, before companies like ATT get fiber to 
 every home by 2015 :-)

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Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

2010-01-01 Thread John Thomas
What are the issues with your Barracuda?

John

Ugo Bellavance wrote:
 On 2009-07-13 20:08, Don Grossman wrote:
   
 It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution.  Currently we
 are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the
 box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be
 resolved.
 

 I tend to use a mix of:

 - clamav-milter (with unofficial signatures)
 - spamassassin-milter
 - sendmail tweaks http://www.technoids.org/dossed.html
 - MailScanner

 For a more corporate-ready product, FSL is doing excellent products.

 http://www.fsl.com/

 BarricadeMX is very interesting, as it does everything at the SMTP 
 phase, which is very efficient.

 Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

2010-01-20 Thread John Thomas
Try to find out what mac address is on which port-you can't do that with 
the HP 1800's, you need something higher up the food chain.

John

Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
 Nick-
 Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP ProCurve 
 1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 Switch Series 
 http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc 

 It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a bit 
 more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 port 
 version.  Any experience with the 2810 series?  Thanks in advance.

 `S

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Nick Olsen
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

 I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new 
 one I'm liking is the 1810G-24
 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect..

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

 Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 
 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are 
 similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX 
 per port, not simultaneous.  For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be 
 necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX 
 on the backbone port, and sort through it.

 But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for 
 you, shortly..

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

   
 Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch
 do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the
 same time. Thx for info.

 Thanks,
 'S

 ---
 Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)

 On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:

 
 Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.

 SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port
 (w/ 4
 fiber module ports) model is about $750.
 It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good
 monitoring
 stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)

 SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you
 cant
 label ports with names.

 Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300
 range.  And
 there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.

 NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but
 lacks a few
 VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations


   
 Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
 for
 recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port
 units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!

 Thanks in advance,
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

2010-01-24 Thread John Thomas
Thanks, that is good to know. It looks like the 1810G-24 can be upstream 
powered using POE. That could be a good thing for a WISP.

John


Nick Olsen wrote:
 The 1810G-24 can. The 1800-24  8 can't.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:20 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

 Try to find out what mac address is on which port-you can't do that with 
 the HP 1800's, you need something higher up the food chain.

 John

 Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
   
 Nick-
 Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP 
 
 ProCurve 1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 
 Switch Series http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc 
   
 It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a 
 
 bit more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 
 port version.  Any experience with the 2810 series?  Thanks in advance.
   
 `S

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 
 Behalf Of Nick Olsen
   
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

 I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the 
 
 new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24
   
 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect..

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

 Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 
 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are 
 

   
 similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or 
 
 RX 
   
 per port, not simultaneous.  For example To Do Calea monitoring it would 
 
 be 
   
 necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and 
 
 RX 
   
 on the backbone port, and sort through it.

 But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check 
 
 for 
   
 you, shortly..

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

   
 
 Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch
 do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the
 same time. Thx for info.

 Thanks,
 'S

 ---
 Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)

 On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:

 
   
 Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.

 SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port
 (w/ 4
 fiber module ports) model is about $750.
 It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good
 monitoring
 stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)

 SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you
 cant
 label ports with names.

 Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300
 range.  And
 there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.

 NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but
 lacks a few
 VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations


   
 
 Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
 for
 recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port
 units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!

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Re: [WISPA] Barracuda outbounds SPAM filter any good?

2009-01-08 Thread John Thomas
Are you guys using the outbound feature on your inbound Barracudas? It 
doesn't do as full a job as a outbound box, but it may help your problem.

John


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 Does anyone use the Barracuda's for outbound spam filtering and is it as
 good as the inbound version? I need to keep my mail server from getting
 blacklisted and am looking for a way to do it. Apparently someone is using
 my server to relay spam, (I am using pop before smtp so they must be
 authenticating first.) Also is it possible to use the outbound if you have
 outsourced email services, aka Jumpline ???

  

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com

  

  

  



 
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Re: [WISPA] Barracuda outbounds SPAM filter any good?

2009-01-09 Thread John Thomas
If you have an inbound box, you can use it as an outbound relay. You 
don't get the full functionality as you would with a dedicated outbound 
box, but you do get some functionality, especially since you can see all 
inbound and outbound messages in the log.

John


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 According to the website one box is capable of running as either/or. (I
 thought)

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 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
  
  

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of John Thomas
 Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:29 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barracuda outbounds SPAM filter any good?

 Are you guys using the outbound feature on your inbound Barracudas? It 
 doesn't do as full a job as a outbound box, but it may help your problem.

 John


 Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
   
 Does anyone use the Barracuda's for outbound spam filtering and is it as
 good as the inbound version? I need to keep my mail server from getting
 blacklisted and am looking for a way to do it. Apparently someone is using
 my server to relay spam, (I am using pop before smtp so they must be
 authenticating first.) Also is it possible to use the outbound if you have
 outsourced email services, aka Jumpline ???

  

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com

  

  

  




 
 
 
   
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Re: [WISPA] Barracuda outbounds SPAM filter any good?

2009-01-09 Thread John Thomas
In the Barracuda, under BasicAdministration at the bottom of the page, 
you choose the direction, inbound or outbound.

If you click on Advanced, you should have an Outbound/Relay tab. If you 
set this to allow your email server to relay through the Barracuda, it 
will log your messages and do some basic scrubbing on the outbound 
messages.

 From a message on the Barracuda Forum

There is some filtering which is done, mainly viruses, for outgoing 
email, but not all of the other filters are applied. We ended up getting 
a filter for outgoing to be able to limit what can be sent (ie. filter 
based on phishing attempts which make it through so that users can not 
reply).

The real question is what is the audit trying to correct. Once you know 
that, then you can determine (by perhaps asking) if using the Barracuda 
for outgoing will solve those issues.

In general, it is useful to have the mail routed through the Barracuda, 
as long as your box is fast enough to deal with all the email. It is 
quite helpful if email is reported as spam so that you can track it down 
(typically the debug header line is not removed). This is especially 
important if the message is not spam.

John


David E. Smith wrote:
 Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
   
 According to the website one box is capable of running as either/or. (I
 thought)
 

 But not both at the same time :(

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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-03 Thread John Thomas
It may be worthwhile to consider a Dodge/Mercedes/Freightliner Sprinter 
Van. The drawback is that they have a high roof line, but they do get 20 
+ mpg in motorhome trim, and 25-30 mpg bare. They are Diesel and the 
engines are supposed to be good for 400,000 - 500,000 miles.

John


George Rogato wrote:
 Thats a hard one Josh, cost effective.
 I've been driving rigs since I got out of trade school in 76', sometimes 
 being cheap on the front end is a mistake, unless you have a talent of 
 finding  killer deals by chance.

 For me, I enjoyed the last van I drove, it was a 98 ford long van and I 
 went 10 years with nothing other than the usual maintenance.
 No surprise engine or transmission problems, just reliable.
 It was almost new when we bought it so we saved a few grand.
 I couldn't imagine buying an older vehicle that will hand me a big 
 surprise and at the worst possible time. Cause seems like that when it 
 happens.

 So new or almost is my choice.

 I like long vans.

 Long enough to slide my 10' step ladder in.
 I would use a pick up truck, but the rain is a problem 1/2 the year. So 
 it's a van.

 As for gas millage, I have never seen a work truck thats loaded with 
 equipment get better than 12 miles to the gallon.
 And if you buy a light weight vehicle and load it up with a lot of 
 equipment like a mini van, expect to be doing tranny work fairly often.

 So it's a heavy duty vehicle which means bigger engine and low gas mileage.

 One thing that will save fuel costs is scheduling service calls in an 
 orderly loop if it can be done. Instead of zig zagging across town, a 
 straight line. Although zig zagging sometimes can't be avoided.

 George


 Josh Luthman wrote:
   
 I am looking for a cost effective vehicle.  Anything heavy will do the
 job of teaching ricers a lesson.  Like an H1.

 On 2/3/09, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:
 
 Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and putting
 away a couple Civics.  That truly must be one fast Goat!   grin

 Just ribb'n ya Mark.  Now back to our regular programming...

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.

 I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again.   That
 perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :)








 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


   
 Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this particular
 Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.

 In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 16sec
 Excursions in STOCK trim.

 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a
 dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.

 Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his
 excursion
 would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)

 I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and
 trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted
 me 10.5 - 11 mpg .




 
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 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 
 Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...  not so
 much pep compared to the new ones).


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

   
 My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets
 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling.
 It
 used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's
 probably due for a tune up of some kind.

 It does have a custom chip  exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY
 Diesel
 Dodge I've run across.  grin

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, 

Re: [WISPA] National Map Update - 579,154 square miles covered

2009-02-03 Thread John Thomas
Brian, I entered 2400 Camino Ramon San Ramon CA and got part of circles 
in the coverage area. I will assume that is NextWeb/Covadwireless's 
footprint.
They have a coverage map at 
http://www.covadwireless.com/network-coverage-maps.html#sanfrancisco if 
that helps.

John


Brian Webster wrote:
 I received about 10 different WISP network update files today, keep them
 coming folks! Here is the latest map.

 http://www.wirelessmapping.com/National%20Map.htm


 Thank You,
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 www.wirelessmapping.com
   
 



 
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-11 Thread John Thomas
Sooner or later, someone will do a 1/2 ton diesel electric hybrid truck 
, and it should be able to do at least 40 mpg if they do it right.
It looks like these guys might be the ones to do it.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/11/mahindra-appalachian-diesel-pickup-arrives-in-us-next-year-dies/

John



Mark Nash wrote:
 I always thought of buying a hybrid...

 ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say 
 that I take my hybrid everywhere I go...

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message - 
 From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


   
 Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV:
 Buy a hybrid, I need your gas!

 ryan


 D. Ryan Spott
 rsp...@cspott.com



 On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 
 If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling
 our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash wrote:
   
 LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was
 speeding
 across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.
 Had 4
 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...

 ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.

 ...I get 10 on a good day. :)

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle



 
 fyi, it's not a van...

 http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg

 I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's
 HAUL).  Had
 to
 settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for
 the
 kids,
 heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride
 suspension
 (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also
 nearly
 a
 foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get
 one
 make
 sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.

 http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0

 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.

 The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of
 them,
 didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.

 http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm

 They have some of those on ebay too:
 http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2

 laters,
 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator
 since
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle



   
 If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven -
 my main
 benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and
 cold just
 do
 not mix.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
 poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 
 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:


 
 I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd
 seat.
 I'm
 only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
 totally
 loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no
 real flaws.
 I
 did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that
 didn't show
 up
 at first.

 The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything
 else
 sits
 well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the
 winter
 and
 cold in the summer.

 The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.

 Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of
 one.
 EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator
 since
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General 

Re: [WISPA] Dual-band Sector Antennas/Multiple Input Sector Antennas

2009-02-24 Thread John Thomas
I understand that Cisco is expensive, but it does work. I have clients 
with Cisco Aironet 340's installed that are 7+ years old.
Is it the national pastime to beat on Cisco?

As for antennas, Superpass makes some that might work well for this project

http://www.superpass.com/SP-MIMO-D1J1.html

http://www.superpass.com/MIMO-24.html

http://www.superpass.com/MIMO-5.html

John


3-dB Networks wrote:
 Right... N relies on MIMO... so antenna diversity is important.  In an
 indoor application this AP would have six small Omni antennas on it... just
 inches apart from each other.  I don't think the exact placement of the
 antennas is important, as long as the patterns overlap.  I've never seen
 anything specifying the distances of antennas... but if someone knows that
 would be great.

 Either way, a dual-band antenna would cut it from six sectors to three...
 and not lose any of the benefits.  Might not be cost effective, but I want
 to explore that.  I'd also hope that there would be an antenna out there
 that already has the antenna diversity setup inside the antenna by having
 three elements pointing the correct directions.  I wouldn't think noise
 would be that big of an issue at the antenna since they will all be
 broadcasting on the same frequency anyways.

 As for what he is trying to accomplish... I wish I knew.  His application
 does not require 802.11n speeds, it could require the MIMO near and non-los
 properties... I think he wants 802.11n because it's the next thing.  Just
 like I don't think he should be using Cisco... but no IT guy has ever been
 fired for deploying Cisco right :-)

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


   
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:34 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual-band Sector Antennas/Multiple Input Sector
 Antennas

 I think the whole idea behind N is antenna diversity Daniel.

 Using less antennas means he'll get little or no benefit from the
 system.
 Might as well just run with a standard b/g system.

 I think antenna placement will also be critical for n.  I could be
 totally
 wrong here, but my guess is that there are specific distances between
 antennas that are part of the magic of n.

 What's he hoping to accomplish?

 Better NLOS, better nLOS, better speed?

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:43 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Dual-band Sector Antennas/Multiple Input Sector
 Antennas


 
 I'm helping someone design an antenna system to utilize the MIMO
 properties
 in 802.11n outdoors.  The Cisco box he wants to connect to has three
   
 5GHz
 
 and three 2.4GHz outputs.  I'd rather avoid deploying six sector
   
 antennas
 
 (only need to cover about 120 degrees. so I figured three 90degree
   
 sectors
 
 ought to do it) so would like recommendations on :



 -  Good dual-band 2.4GHz/5GHz antenna

 -  Good Sector antenna that has multiple inputs on the same
   
 band,
 
 same polarity (not sure if such a beast exists, but doesn't hurt
   
 asking!).
 

 V-pol is preferred, as the clients will have V-pol omnis.



 Any help is really appreciated.  Thanks!



 Daniel White

 3-dB Networks

 http://www.3dbnetworks.com





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[WISPA] Need Service

2009-02-27 Thread John Thomas
Does anyone on list service Redding CA?

John Thomas



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[WISPA] LinkedIn

2009-02-28 Thread John Thomas
Is anyone around here on LinkedIn?   I just got signed up a few days 
ago, and it may have benefits for your businesses. It works a little bit 
like Facebook, but is much more business oriented.

John



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Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

2009-03-04 Thread John Thomas
These will do what you want

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps272/ps6990/product_data_sheet0900aecd804c207b.html

John

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 OK, last one.

 What would you guys use for 3650  gear.  I need to deliver very high speeds 
 to lots of users with near 100% reliability.  Money matters, but it's not 
 the driving force here.

 Also, I'm looking for a mobile 4.9 system.  We'll have to roam across 
 multiple towers that have multiple ip ranges on them.  The idea is not only 
 to keep voip calls running while this happens, but also to always be able to 
 remotely access the mobile pc's.  Is there a system that will facilitate 
 this idea (talking mobile broadband access across my 6000 square mile 
 network).  Do I have to create something from scratch?

 thanks!
 marlon



 
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Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

2009-03-04 Thread John Thomas
Are any of the towers setup such that you could cross the circle?

In other words, if you had towers 1 to 20 in a ring, have a secondary 
link between towers 4 and 16 for instance.

This would require routing, and preferably dynamic routing, but then you 
would have some redundancy.

John



Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I don't know if I'll be able to put some many antennas on the towers.

 How close together would I need the towers to prevent the rain fade outage 
 at 18 gig?

 Aren't there any 5.8 systems that will do this reliably in the first place? 
 I shouldn't need 5.x for distribution so I could use it all for backhaul. 
 I'll have 2.4, 3.65, 4.9 and hopefully, someday, TVBD for the consumers.
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul


   
 The 5.8 GHz backup links will help you deal with outages due to
 environmental conditions such as rain fade. That has to be factored in for
 links when you operate above 10 GHz. Even if you run a loop configuration
 you could have a fade condition that could block out a whole tower site
 severing your links to that location in both directions of your loop.
 Another path at a lower frequency with spatial diversity from your primary
 link (different mounting heights) would at least keep that site up though
 maybe not at full speed.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:26 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul


 Thanks.

 Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is
 build in a circle?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul


 
 Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure
 $15,000 per link for everything.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
   
 Hi All,

 I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles.  Some
 links may be less, but I'm not counting on that.

 I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet 
 traffic.

 I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring.  I can load
 share
 across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs.  I'll want
 things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of
 connectivity
 in any direction.

 What would you guys use/suggest?

 I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but
 unlicensed
 may be OK due to the failover capabilities.

 We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms.

 What gear would you use?  How would you set this up?

 I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome.  Pall park
 numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low,
 I'd
 rather over estimate the costs.

 thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

2009-03-05 Thread John Thomas
That's EM, it's used to connect to analog voice stuff, in place of FXS 
or FXO cards.

John

Matt Jenkins wrote:
 I tried to look it up but I cannot figure it out. Whats an E to M card?

 Blake Bowers wrote:
   
 I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers
 that they want to sell.  A couple of 3600 series routers, and 
 E to M cards.


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Re: [WISPA] Outsourcing Email and Webhosting

2009-03-16 Thread John Thomas
PostPath is a drop in replacement for Exchange that runs on Linux. Cisco 
bought PostPath, so it will be interesting to see what happens in the 
future.


http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2008/corp_091808.html

John

Josh Luthman wrote:
 Google is free.

 Exchange I know costs a copy of Windows 2003 or 2008 plus Exchange.
 I'm told the price isn't too bad, but that's coming from a
 Windows-only person.  Also factor in your monthly hosting fee if
 that's the route you go.

 On 3/14/09, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
   
 We thought of it ... Costs?  How about exchange?


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:15 AM
 To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group
 Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Outsourcing Email and Webhosting

 If you want to set it and forget it..Google Apps partner edition.

 On 3/14/09, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 
 Hey All


 We have been thinkig of outsourcing all our webhosting/email services,
   
 including regular pop3 and exchange,

 Anyone can recommend a solid service provider?  we have about 50
 domains.  Just one using exchange, butt would like to start offering
 exchange hosting


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?

2009-03-16 Thread John Thomas
If you are big enough, or if you are multihomed you can get PI space


John


David E. Smith wrote:
 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

   
 This after renumbering and re-routing about 100 clients.So, then, I had 
 to find a way to revert everyone bak to the OLD provider  All that was 
 on the OLD hardware. I got done (gave up) after getting most of the 
 clients working about 11 pm.   Worked on it some more at home till around 
 1:00 am...
 

 Yikes. I've been through a renumbering, I feel your pain.

 Since you mentioned providers' numbers, are you using IP space from your 
 upstream(s)? If you're big enough, the money you'll spend on an ARIN 
 membership is well worth it, just to get your own IP space. You'll 
 hopefully never have to renumber again, and that peace-of-mind is well 
 worth the money.

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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread John Thomas
If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if 
you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

John


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's and 
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

 marlon



 
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread John Thomas
Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you 
can legitimately run BGP and multi home?
You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if 
necessary.

I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We have 
a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 blocks 
apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* include 
Internet access, only point to point.

John

Richey wrote:
 /rant on

 Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market
 where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might get a
 DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
 those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
 connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in the
 beginning.  

 If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give
 you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar situation
 where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate
 any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
 until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.   

 The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
 multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard for
 the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks
 are non portable.

 /rant off

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Cliff Olle
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days
 or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
 only using 4 class Cs?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Piehn
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


 Scott
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


   
 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
 you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 
 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's 
 and
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

 marlon




   
 
 
   
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread John Thomas
The thing that is sad about that is there are Internet providers that 
will install fiber to your premises and deliver the bandwidth for half that.

American Fiber Systems http://www.americanfibersystems.com/  will do a 
10 Meg Internet Connection over fiber to Reno NV for $2000 per month, 
with a $2000 install.

John


Chadd Thompson wrote:
 Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial
 DS3.

 10mb: $4300
 20mb: $4788
 30mb: $5300


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't
 say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k.

 The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet
 justification.


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 From: Richey myli...@battleop.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

   
 /rant on

 Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market
 where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might get
 a
 DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
 those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
 connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in
 the
 beginning.

 If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give
 you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar
 situation
 where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate
 any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
 until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.

 The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
 multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard for
 the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks
 are non portable.

 /rant off

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Cliff Olle
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days
 or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
 only using 4 class Cs?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Piehn
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


 Scott
 - Original Message -
 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


 
 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
 you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
   
 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's
 and
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

 marlon




 
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread John Thomas
Yes, I know we could have done that, but this client makes a lot of 
noise when anything resembling a hiccup occurs, and we weren't going to 
take that chance. ATT gets to deal with them when the DS3 has 
problems  :-)

On another note, they have been quite happy with their Covad Wireless 
Internet connection at $599 per month for 3 Meg Burstable to 6 meg. It 
has been down 2 times in the past year. Covad had a couple of nasty 
outages in the past month or so.

John


Travis Johnson wrote:
 You are missing an opportunity there...

 Tell them you will provide them a 300Mbps full duplex link for $3,000 
 per month. Then go buy a Trango licensed link for $11k and make $3k a 
 month profit after 4 months. :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 John Thomas wrote:
 Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you 
 can legitimately run BGP and multi home?
 You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if 
 necessary.

 I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We have 
 a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 blocks 
 apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* include 
 Internet access, only point to point.

 John

 Richey wrote:
   
 /rant on

 Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market
 where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might get a
 DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
 those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
 connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in the
 beginning.  

 If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give
 you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar situation
 where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate
 any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
 until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.   

 The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
 multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard for
 the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks
 are non portable.

 /rant off

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Cliff Olle
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days
 or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
 only using 4 class Cs?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Piehn
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


 Scott
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


   
 
 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
 you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 
   
 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's 
 and
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

 marlon




   
 
 
 
   
 
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread John Thomas
Unfortunately, the requirements are based on what they think a routing 
slot in the BGP table costs, and they want to keep that manageable.
There has been discussion on the ARIN list about reducing the 
requirement to a /24 for PI space both single and multi homed. The 
thought being that there are probably a lot of people that have a /20 
that only have it because they want PI space and don't want to be locked 
into their ISP.

There is not reason someone couldn't utilize their second T-1, and I am 
not advocating buying it and not using it.
The question becomes, is it worth the money to have a slow connection, 
or no connection at all.
I am not out to start a flame war here. As far as I am concerned, if I 
am a business and I am buying business class service from you, and 
paying business class money for that service, I expect you to have 
redundant upstreams. I do not expect to pay $50 for that service. 
CovadWireless gets $349 per month for business class 1.5 Meg Internet 
access, and they have multiple upstreams.
I realize that this will be argued until the cows come home, but when 
you offer business class service with SLA's you can't do it for $50 per 
month.

Jerry over at Aircloud is doing a 2 meg connection for $179 per month, 
and has been doing right by his clients.

John



Richey wrote:
 Why should you HAVE to pay for something that you really will never use?   I
 read about guys in rural areas that are still paying $700+ for a T1.  Even
 at $500/mo that's a lot of money to spend on something you will never really
 use.You might as well be down if your DS3 takes a hit and your traffic
 rolls over to the T1.

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of John Thomas
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you 
 can legitimately run BGP and multi home?
 You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if 
 necessary.

 I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We have 
 a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 blocks 
 apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* include 
 Internet access, only point to point.

 John

 Richey wrote:
   
 /rant on

 Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market
 where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might get
 
 a
   
 DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
 those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
 connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in
 
 the
   
 beginning.  

 If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give
 you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar
 
 situation
   
 where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate
 any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
 until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.   

 The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
 multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard for
 the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks
 are non portable.

 /rant off

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Cliff Olle
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days
 or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
 only using 4 class Cs?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Piehn
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


 Scott
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


   
 
 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
 you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 
   
 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's 
 and
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

 marlon




   
 
 
   
 
   
 
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread John Thomas
I would tell you to ask the ISP in San Jose about ATT's billing 
practices, but they are no longer in business.
It seems that 1 day they got a bill for some stupid amount of outbound 
minutes for their *inbound only* T-1's and were given hours to pay or 
they would be shut off. They weren't able to react quickly enough and 
ATT pulled the plug. Apparently this has been a common problem as I have 
heard of others in the same boat.

John


Chadd Thompson wrote:
 Been there done that.

 We were getting double billed for about 8 months because they didn't remove
 our billing on some old circuits after they forced us to upgrade from the
 old SBC network. We paid it for a few months because our account rep said it
 would be fixed and they would credit our account for what we over paid. Well
 they didn't get it fixed and we stopped paying it, our account rep assured
 us it was nothing to worry about and that it would be taken care of. Well 8
 months later the ATT collections dept was calling me saying they were going
 to turn us over to an outside collection agency. A quick call to my account
 rep and then one to the IL commerce commission had the problem taken care of
 in about 2 weeks.

 Sounds like you have had similar issues with them but you have no idea how
 much grief ATT/SBC has caused me over the last 6 yrs we have been in
 business. I wish I could get away from them but at this point in time no one
 seems to be able to help us out down here.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:49 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 Of course, they'll bill you 10 times that and never fix their billing
 issues! -RickG

 On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Chadd Thompson chad...@msn.com wrote:

   
 Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial
 DS3.

 10mb: $4300
 20mb: $4788
 30mb: $5300


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I
 won't
 say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k.

 The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet
 justification.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Richey myli...@battleop.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 
 /rant on

 Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a
   
 market
 
 where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might
   
 get
   
 a
 DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
 those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
 connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in
 the
 beginning.

 If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will
   
 give
   
 you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar
 situation
 where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to
   
 allocate
   
 any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
 until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.

 The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
 multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard
   
 for
   
 the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP
   
 blocks
   
 are non portable.

 /rant off

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Cliff Olle
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30
   
 days
 
 or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you
   
 are
   
 only using 4 class Cs?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Piehn
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


 Scott
 - Original Message -
 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


   
 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
 you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 
 We probably need to get our own ip

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-23 Thread John Thomas
My question would be, is there anyone doing glass from the Carrier hotel 
to the edge of town?
If you were able to get fiber on the edge of Spokane, wouldn't it save 
you a few towers?
I wish it weren't top secret as to where the fiber is. Wouldn't it be 
nice to be able to go somewhere ( website) and see who has glass and where?
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if many on this list were within spittin' 
distance of glass.

John

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 It's the economies of it all in so many places.

 Many areas will require the construction of 100+ foot towers.  At what, $10 
 to $20k per tower (complete install), even for a small one that won't hold 
 many antennas.

 Then there are hills, mountains, permitting issues etc.

 I know I can get a fiber connection to Spokane and I can get it fairly 
 cheaply.  But it's still 3 to 4x what I'm paying for my bandwidth today. 
 Just for the loop, forget the cost of data, no matter how cheap, from there.

 I asked Century Tel what it would cost to rent dark fiber from them.  They 
 laughed at me.

 Spokane is only 75 or so miles from here.  But I'd need 1 hop to get out of 
 town, at least 5 or 6 to get to the edge of Spokane, then 2 or 3 more to get 
 down to the telco hotel there.  IF I could even get BW on the roof (probably 
 could but I don't know what the cost per month would be).

 We all look at these options all of the time.  I just got the last bit of 
 hardware that I'll need to link my Grant Co. and Lincoln Co. networks 
 together.  This will give me the ONLY backup link into Odessa.  It'll also 
 give me access to cheaper bandwidth here (after I upgrade to better faster 
 backhauls on all of the towers between the two networks).

 We'll get there eventually.
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:47 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth


   
 Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from
 building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber,
 etc.)?  It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the
 business plan as this is a big MRC.  Don't wait for someone to bring you
 cheap bandwidth...go get it!  :-)

 -Hal



 
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Re: [WISPA] One connection bandwidth=x / 2 commections bandwidth=2x why?

2009-05-11 Thread John Thomas
1 minute 49 seconds from a 100 Meg feed at Hurricane Electric in Fremont CA.

John


Scott Carullo wrote:
 Yes lots of them, from different internet connections as well.  Focusing on 
 customers from BHN connecting to our TW Telecom fiber circuit.  Have not 
 been able to do enough testing outside our network though to be certain.  

 That leads me to a request...  can anyone who reads this that has decent 
 amount of bandwidth (20mb available) download this file and tell me your 
 provider and how fast the transfer was so long as its not being limited on 
 your side.  I should have approx 80MB free bandwidth for this transfer when 
 you run it...

 http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip

 This will help me out a bit...   thanks.   Email me off list if you want 
 with the results...

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
   
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] One connection bandwidth=x / 2 commections 
 
 bandwidth=2x why?
   
 Have you tried with a different PC?

 On 5/11/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote:
 
 Any TCP traffic multiple apps same results

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x102

 On May 11, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net
 wrote:

   
 We ran into something like that when a customer was using his laptop
 to
 generate traffic on a frac DS3 circuit.  The issue was primarily due
 to how
 his application was trying to generate traffic.

 Jeff

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 Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Linktechs
 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:41 AM
 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] One connection bandwidth=x / 2 commections
 bandwidth=2x
 why?

 Speed limit per connection?  Or per IP?

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 Scott Carullo wrote:
 
 On our main upstream connection 100mb fiber a speedtest to BHN 
   
 yeilds
   
 about
 
 7MB max when 15 is there...

 Open two connections tcp and now the transfer rate doubles (from 
   
 same
   
 server to same client).

 What would cause this?

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 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102




   
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Re: [WISPA] I need a few people to run a bandwidth test to me please...

2009-05-19 Thread John Thomas
As they say, your mileage may vary   We have a 2xT1 that we pay $560 
per month for, and the routing/peering at TW Telecom is good, but then 
again, we are in the San Francisco Bay Area. If the building owners 
would have let TW Telecom into this buildings MPOE's we would have a 10 
meg fiber circuit and be paying about $700 for it. The fiber is at the 
curb, but Bishop Ranch won't let TW Telecom in

John


Matt Liotta wrote:
 Personally, I wouldn't go with TW Telecom for bandwidth. They tend to  
 be overly pricy and their peering is too selective. In a case where  
 the city you are located in doesn't have good peering such as Orlando  
 you need to carefully select your upstream. In the case of TW Telecom,  
 they have hardly any peers in Atlanta, which is the closest major  
 peering point to you. This causes most of your US based traffic to  
 flow through Ashburn or Dallas.

 -Matt

 On May 14, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:

   
 Just download a file via http from our web server at
 http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip
 and then
 http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip

 Then email me with how fast each went and a traceroute from you to  
 just one
 of the servers please (they take same route).

 If you are not capable of downloading at 20MB on the Internet then  
 the data
 is not too useful for me...

 Thank you I appreciate your time and assistance.

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 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102



 
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[WISPA] Service Limits

2009-05-20 Thread John Thomas
I realize that is the way it is supposed to happen, but that hasn't 
happened here.
We have Office space in Bishop Ranch, San Ramon CA. We are not allowed 
in the MPOE, and apparently others aren't either. We have been able to 
get T-1s pulled in, and then we gave handed the authorized personnel the 
other end of our Cat 5 to punch down and connect our Service Providers 
T-1's. When we asked Time Warner about the fiber, they sent us a map, 
showing fiber at the sidewalk, less than 100 feet away, and they claimed 
that Bishop Ranch wouldn't lt them in the MPOE, so they couldn't 
deliver. Maybe someone has bogus information?

John


Mike Hammett wrote:
 If you want their service, they can't restrict you, AFAIK.


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 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a few people to run a bandwidth test 
 tomeplease... As they say, your mileage may vary   We have a 2xT1 that 
 we pay $560
   
 per month for, and the routing/peering at TW Telecom is good, but then
 again, we are in the San Francisco Bay Area. If the building owners
 would have let TW Telecom into this buildings MPOE's we would have a 10
 meg fiber circuit and be paying about $700 for it. The fiber is at the
 curb, but Bishop Ranch won't let TW Telecom in

 John


 Matt Liotta wrote:
 
 Personally, I wouldn't go with TW Telecom for bandwidth. They tend to
 be overly pricy and their peering is too selective. In a case where
 the city you are located in doesn't have good peering such as Orlando
 you need to carefully select your upstream. In the case of TW Telecom,
 they have hardly any peers in Atlanta, which is the closest major
 peering point to you. This causes most of your US based traffic to
 flow through Ashburn or Dallas.

 -Matt

 On May 14, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:


   
 Just download a file via http from our web server at
 http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip
 and then
 http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip

 Then email me with how fast each went and a traceroute from you to
 just one
 of the servers please (they take same route).

 If you are not capable of downloading at 20MB on the Internet then
 the data
 is not too useful for me...

 Thank you I appreciate your time and assistance.

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102



 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-04 Thread John Thomas
Cisco 2960G-24's are an option too.

John


Jon Auer wrote:
 I second that. We use 7200s trunked to, variously, 3500XLs, 3550s, and
 Zyxel switches.
 For gig ports go with a NPE-G1/G2 for routing and a 3560 as a port expander.
 Dot1q subinterfaces are your friend.

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
   
 Switch and vlan


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 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
 Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:06 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

 Even if I go to a NPE-G1 or G2 I still need a total of 5 ports.

 1 for inbound connection.
 2 for outbound to radios that serve different towers
 1 for local network of servers etc.
 1 for colo customer.

 How do I add those other two ports?


 Randy Cosby wrote:
 
 Which NPE are you using?

 Randy

 Matt Jenkins wrote:
   
 I have a 7204VXR router as my core. I am looking at upgrading from a
 100mb ethernet to a gigE. I am having a really hard time find out how
 
 I can add gigabit ethernet (via RJ-45 connectors) to this router. I
 have two spare slots of expansion cards but I cannot find a card that
 
 does gig. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

 Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-04 Thread John Thomas
If you guys want to bash Cisco, that's your perogative, but my 
experience has been somewhat different. We recently took on a new client 
that has some Cisco switches that their old VAR sols them 5 YEARs of 
Smartnets on. Since we are looking at them upgrading to some new 
equipment, we asked Cisco if they would be willing to do something for 
the client, and they said yes, they are willing to credit them for 
existing Smartnets to the new equipment.

John


Rogelio wrote:
 Mike Hammett wrote:
   
 Agreed.  I don't intend on buying anything Cisco.  Over priced, under 
 performing, and their we will screw you whether you like it or not 
 policies.  No thanks, someone else, please.
 

 One of my clients (a big cable company) just bought hundreds of 
 thousands of dollars of Cisco gear, only to find that it's going to be 
 end of life in just a few months.

 Their Cisco rep royally screwed them on that one, and when they 
 complained, they got nowhere and have since started to move to other 
 vendors.

 Another client of mine in the City of San Jose is really careful about 
 buying anything Cisco-related after a big Cisco scandal a few years ago. 
Apparently they tried to move some Cisco gear at the 11th hour into 
 some big proposal, and it went over like a fart in church when people 
 found out (it was a VoIP install, if I remember right). Now they use 
 Nortel, NOT Cisco.

 It is my experience that Cisco reps are pretty brazen about their antics.


 
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-23 Thread John Thomas
You might also consider a Cisco 800 or 1800 series router. They do 
firewalls well and have a nice GUI.

John

Patrick D.. Nix, Jr wrote:
 Any suggestions on a good linux firewall distro.  I'm looking at either
 implementing this or going with an older Cisco PIX 525.  Which would be
 the best way to go?  Something with a nice GUI would be good

  

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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-23 Thread John Thomas
Other opinions about Magic Jack

http://uninstallmagicjack.com/?p=5

John


Chuck Profito wrote:
 That's is what I remember from the list.  Once it was in, a 'normal'
 subscriber couldn't get it out, and they, MJ, had a subscriber installed,
 and agreed to, OPEN Back Door to any computer it was installed on!   We
 have a lot of subs with these, and I mention it to them, but they don't seem
 to get it.  Scary stuff 

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 cprof...@cv-access.com 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:32 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

 There is some icky stuff in the EULA and apparently there is no way to
 remove it automatically...have to go to the registers to do it properly.

 Jeff
  

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:21 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

 I played with it a while back.  Very good stuff, just needs number
 portability and a little better support.  I know someone who spent nearly
 two days to pay their bill...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.netwrote:

   
 Who owns Magic Jack?



 Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 Summary:

 Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.

 *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you
   
 already
 
 have and its own voicemail.

 Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by 
 the economy.  Then the world.
 *
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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
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 however improbable, must be the truth.
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 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:

   
 George Rogato wrote:
 
 http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
   
 Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their 
 announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number 
 portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.

 Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.

 (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the 
 article instead of making everyone click.)

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-23 Thread John Thomas
Here is some info

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/secursw/ps5318/index.html

John




Josh Luthman wrote:
 Wait pictures of this GUI???

 On 6/23/09, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:
   
 You might also consider a Cisco 800 or 1800 series router. They do
 firewalls well and have a nice GUI.

 John

 Patrick D.. Nix, Jr wrote:
 
 Any suggestions on a good linux firewall distro.  I'm looking at either
 implementing this or going with an older Cisco PIX 525.  Which would be
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Re: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router

2009-06-25 Thread John Thomas
If you are ONLY going to route, no NAT, firewall or other stuff, then a 
Cisco 871 will do what you want. We have tested it at wirespeed.

John


Alan Long wrote:
 Anyone have a suggestion for a dual ethernet port router, that can handle
 30-50mb/s of traffic. I do not need it to do nat or anything like that, just
 need it to route..I have looked at a cisco 2811..but know there are other
 options..Thanks for any help.

  





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Re: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff

2009-07-01 Thread John Thomas
I don't know about those, but Frontbridge got blacklisted once and they 
are an anti-spam provider

John


George Rogato wrote:
 How come Google, Yahoo, and Live.com don't get black listed.
 I'm pretty sure 1 million times more spam comes out of those domains 
 than any small independent isp's ...



 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
   
 Hi All,

 What are you guys doing for email these days?  I LOVE my setup for it's 
 reliability, ease of use etc.

 Hacked customer accounts and virus's are killing me though.  We don't catch 
 things until 100,000s of messages go out and we get black listed.  This has 
 now happened 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years.

 My server admins aren't coming up with a solution to this other than to 
 limit cc's to 25 per message.  We did that once before and my phone rang off 
 the hook because people can't send jokes to their friends.

 The other thing that makes it hard is that the log files that I get (up to 
 40 megs per day!) don't list the authenticated sender, only the reply 
 address.  So I see tens of thousands of messages from a user that's not even 
 mine (faked info).  sigh

 We use Courier MTA.

 My thought is to set the server to allow a max of 1000 messages per day per 
 user.  And to somehow make the log file ONLY send me the number of messages 
 received per a user, and the number sent, user name and ip addy of all those 
 sending.  Twice now I've asked about that idea and gotten no response from 
 the server admins.

 Suggestions?

 laters,
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Re: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff

2009-07-01 Thread John Thomas
http://www.mxlogic.com/services/email-filtering/index.cfm

they have done good by us.

John


George Rogato wrote:
 Wonder how much it is.
 Says it's based on qty of email addresses.



 RickG wrote:
   
 Cost?

 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Pat O'Connorp...@inlandnet.com wrote:
 
 We're switching to this over this weekend.

 http://www.redcondor.com/products/appliances.htm





 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
   
 One of the things I've done in the spam war is to use something called 
 ASSP,
 which is just Anti Spam SMTP Proxy.

 It does a passable job of prevening inbound spam, and it prevents anyone 
 not
 on my network from sending mail out through my server, via firewall rules
 put on the server.

 You can use a similar setup to have your customer's emails filtered 
 outbound
 through something like this.It can also be placed on alternate ports 
 and
 using firewall rules, prevent any cust omer from sending mail directly out.

 I haven't needed to do that, at least not yet.

 ASSP, when run on the mail server machine itself, can also act as an
 authentication and filtering of outbound emails.




 
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 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:33 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff



 
 Hi All,

 What are you guys doing for email these days?  I LOVE my setup for it's
 reliability, ease of use etc.

 Hacked customer accounts and virus's are killing me though.  We don't
 catch
 things until 100,000s of messages go out and we get black listed.  This
 has
 now happened 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years.

 My server admins aren't coming up with a solution to this other than to
 limit cc's to 25 per message.  We did that once before and my phone rang
 off
 the hook because people can't send jokes to their friends.

 The other thing that makes it hard is that the log files that I get (up to
 40 megs per day!) don't list the authenticated sender, only the reply
 address.  So I see tens of thousands of messages from a user that's not
 even
 mine (faked info).  sigh

 We use Courier MTA.

 My thought is to set the server to allow a max of 1000 messages per day
 per
 user.  And to somehow make the log file ONLY send me the number of
 messages
 received per a user, and the number sent, user name and ip addy of all
 those
 sending.  Twice now I've asked about that idea and gotten no response from
 the server admins.

 Suggestions?

 laters,
 marlon



 
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Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

2009-07-15 Thread John Thomas
Please see my responses inline

Jeremy Parr wrote:
 2009/7/14 David E. Smith d...@mvn.net:
   
 Don Grossman wrote:
 
 It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution.  Currently we
 are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the
 box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be
 resolved.  Barracuda is helpful but like to point at other things like
 DNS and unrelated stuff.  In the end they log into the box after
 wasting time so something to kick the box and we are good for an
 undetermined amount of time.
   
 What kind of problems were/are you having with your Barracudas? On the
 (exceedingly rare) occasion that ours do anything odd, rebooting them
 almost always clears it up.
 

 I've had them get overwhelmed with mail, and the solutions was to wait
 for their support to connect in and clear the logs. I could have
 done that myself!
   
I have a client that was taking 60,000 + messages a day and his 300 
wasn't even breathing hard. We had another client whose Barracuda 300 
*tried* to take 100,000 messages in an hour. That took Barracuda 
Networks logging in to clear up as 99% of them were SPAM and virii.


 What pushed me over the edge, was a failed hard drive. I was running a
 Spam Firewall 300, which yes, I know, is not a RAIDed config. (which
   
 is another rabbit hole to go down, considering the box is $3k+)
Hard drives fail, that is why there is RAID. Yes, the 400 is more 
expensive, but then it is a much better fit for an ISP than a 300.
The Barracuda 300 *lists* at $1,999. The hardware replacement is $449 
per year and the updates are $499 per year.

  and
 the hard drive started to throw errors. The problem, was that these
 errors were not evident to us as the admins of the machine. None of
 the Barracuda logs indicated any sort of issue. The box got slower and
 slower, until one day, it refused to pass mail. When tech support took
 a look, they exclaimed that the hard drive had been throwing errors
 for quite some time, any now it was too late, the box was dead.

 Their solution always worked very well, and I didn't need to think
 about it. Until it blew up without telling anyone it planned to.
   
I have seen a few of them fail, but never one doing like you are talking 
about. Usually, they stop passing email, then Barracuda logs in and 
calls them dead and ships a replacement.

John


 
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Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

2009-07-15 Thread John Thomas
I know of Barracudas that the only time they get rebooted is for 
firmware updates.
They can run for months without a reboot, but usually the firmware 
updates have useful stuff in 3-6 months that requires a firmware upgrade.

John


Charles Wyble wrote:
 David E. Smith wrote:

   
 What kind of problems were/are you having with your Barracudas? On the 
 (exceedingly rare) occasion that ours do anything odd, rebooting them 
 almost always clears it up.
 

 One should NEVER have to reboot a mail server, outside of a kernel 
 upgrade (and even then one can use ksplice).

 I'm sorry but that's a pathetic resolution process.

 I have mail/web/dns servers with years of uptime. They sit there and 
 just work. RAID + UPS = 100% uptime.










 
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Re: [WISPA] POE Switch box

2009-07-15 Thread John Thomas
Yes, but Cisco switches only do Cisco Prestandard and 802.3af 48 volt.

John


Charles Wyble wrote:
 On a cisco poe enabled switch can't you just do

 conf t
 interface Gig0/0
 shutdown
 no shutdown
 done

 to power cycle?

 Lots of resellers out there.


 Jason Hensley wrote:
   
 Looking for recommendations on a 10+ port POE switch that will do up to
 24volt.  Prefer remote manageable with options to switch power on and off
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Re: [WISPA] Sales Lead Zip code 95008

2009-07-20 Thread John Thomas
Is Covadwireless out of their price range?

John

Jerry Richardson wrote:
 Name
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 Email
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 Phone
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 Your message: Do you guys cover 95008 zip code for wireless internet? if not 
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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Support

2009-07-27 Thread John Thomas
To be fair, I wonder how much larger Cogent is than Dragonwave?
Someone has to pay the engineer's salary, and it costs to have a 24/7 
support staff.

I always find it interesting to see people's perspective's on support.

John

Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Well, when I really needed support for Dragonwave, 3-DB Networks (Daniel 
 White) was the man. (even though he's in sales)
 So I'm saying, you can also rely on the channel.

 As for Dragonwave direct support, during business hours I had found them to 
 be helpful, and I have respect for their engineer's skill sets. And 24x7 
 support is an option for REAL Emergencies.
 But, I tried calling the 24x7 support twice (not crazy hours), and I got a 
 call back promptly both times, and they answered my questions. BUT they made 
 me feel so guilty for calling, I'm not sure I'll ever call it again.  And 
 support was rushed, and to the minimum level needed to get me going.  Be 
 prepared for the typical, you sure have better read the manual thouroughly 
 before wasting their time on Sunday, and better have justification that its 
 important.  It is NOT regular support given 24/7.  Its page someone at home 
 24x7, when they don't really want to be disturbed, but they'll take the 
 call, if its important.  I'm not complaining, I'm very thankful I had an 
 option to call them on Sunday.  I'm just setting realistic expectations.

 Compare that to Cogent Communcations support. You can call them at 3am in 
 the morning, and get an experienced CISCO certified engineer, to help you do 
 just about anything. And they welcome your call, because they have a full 
 night crew there waiting for work. Its a whole nother level of 24x7 support.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:52 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave Support


   
 Just curious what everyone's experience with Dragonwave support has been.
 Do they answer e-mail/phone calls promptly?  Is their support 24/7?  Is
 the product so good you just don't know because you've never contacted 
 them?


 
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Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter?

2009-08-13 Thread John Thomas
Ryan, when you agree to offer service, that becomes your responsibility, 
and when someone is paying for it, they have a reasonable expectation of 
the service they are paying for.
With that said, is it crazy expensive to get a 2 x T-1 where you are? 
Maybe a T-3 is stupid expensive, but if you even had *some* backup 
bandwidth available, you may have saved that client.
I keep seeing people complain about how they can't sell their wireless 
service and make any money. In the San Francisco Bay Area, people pay 
from $250 to $600 per month for a 1.5 - 5 Megabit Business Class 
Wireless Internet connections, and are generally happy to pay for it as 
2 x T-1's tend to run $700 - 1000 per month. With that said, most of 
those companies have multiple redundant upstreams, and they *rarely* 
have problems.

 Towerstream spells it out on their web page

http://www.towerstream.com/index.asp?ref=products_faq

Hide Answer
Q: Is TowerStream a residential ISP?
A:
TowerStream is a business internet provider. Our smallest connection is 
$256 a month; if you need business-class service at your residence, 
please contact our sales team






Ryan Ghering wrote:
 Actually we maintain pretty good transparency with our clients, we did let
 them know it was a qwest issue, and even went as far as giving the customer
 the qwest trouble ticket number if the wanted it. We also updated the
 customers each time if we got any ETA information. We NEVER leave the
 customer in the dark. Also how is it MY fault that I can't find affordable
 redundant upstream?
 Where is that cost gona come from? You think my customers are gona pay
 double so that I can get a 2nd upstream in here?
 Hell no.. Customers only want a few things. As much bandwidth as they can
 get, 100 % uptime and it all has to be for 25 bucks a month or less.

 Now thats keeping it real..

 Nobody can tell me that they honestly will by a 10,000 to 15,000 dollar
 secondary pipe if their business won't support it without passing that cost
 to the customer. Its not only stupid but bad business. Customers today,
 don't care WHO's fault it is, fact is the ISP is blamed for ANY problem.
 Hell we have a older couple that blames us everytime that epson updates
 drivers for their printer and it stops working, because the update was done
 over my internet.

 Its lets get real time.. If you are a WISP or ISP in BFE. Costs are higher
 profit margins are way lower and redundant connections are REALLY costly and
 hard to come by. So who loose's here due to LEC stupidity? (which we found
 out is what it was btw) the ISP.. We always loose as its always our fault.
 No matter what the problem we are at fault.

 Last week we had a major hail storm, Thankfully only a few canopy units were
 damaged. However 2 of those customers had the same opinion.. How come you
 can't protect these things better. Why do I have to be without service for a
 day because your gear is made faulty.

 Is this my fault? NO its Motorola's for putting the quality hardware that
 never fails that we love so much, in a crappy plastic casing.

 Thats reality..

 Ryan

 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

   
 Actually, I disagree with your example.

 You let your customer down, not Qwest.
 Did you route them out your secondary transit? If you didn;t have one,
 thats
 not the customer's faught.
 Did you let him know that you are trying to contact Quest yourself to get
 more information on an ETA, and influence a work around?
 Did he feel you were in control of the situation? Or did you leave him to
 fend for himself, even though you were the expert on the technology?

 Sending the message, oh well, its down, not my problem, let all my own
 customers suffer, so what is not taking care of your clients.
 If you had communicated with your client making him feel like you were
 working towards defending his interests, he never would have took action
 into his own hands and called Qwest directly to investigate further, and
 get
 false answers.

 So yes, Customers can be irrational, often unfair and unforgiving, but if
 you want to keep your clients its up to you to deal with it and take care
 of
 them.
 Who's faught it is, is irrelevent. Customer Service is about taking care of
 the customer.

 I just lost a customer 2 weeks ago. Power went out AGAIN! It keeps blowing
 breakers on electrical panels not under my controll or access.  I can put
 UPSes there all day, but that does no good if breakers turn off upstream of
 my electrical Demarc.  But DSL, CABLE, and Cellular EVDO didn't go out
 every
 time the property had power failures.  It was my faught that I designed a
 business install to be behind an electric  breaker that was outside my
 control to manage.  If I did my job and took care of the client, I would
 have called the power company or property management and redesign an
 alternate solution, after the first couple of times the power went out.
  But
 I didn't.  Yes, I lost the 

Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator

2009-08-13 Thread John Thomas
Is this some place you could put some batteries and a solar panel or 
small windmill?

John


Jerry Richardson wrote:
 Thank you,
 That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. 

 A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be far 
 less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ 24VDC.

 Thanks again
 Jerry


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Gary Garrett
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator

 Small generators do not auto start very reliably.
 When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat and 
 burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, 
 propane can flood and need to rest before trying again, diesel can be 
 REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing 
 conditions.
 Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. (1955 
 Model)
 The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times. Everything is 
 adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the 
 Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a 
 huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended.

 You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not 
 starting and get it fixed.

 Jerry Richardson wrote:
   
 We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does not 
 start reliably.

 Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power a 
 CMMmicro - ~100watts.

 Thanks



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Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator

2009-08-13 Thread John Thomas
Unless your equipment is tolerant of voltage swings, you will still 
probably want a DC-DC regulator, but that will likely be more efficient 
than a 12/24volt to 120 volt inverter.

John


Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wrote:
 Hi Guys...I'd steer away from inverters since they soak up a lot of 
 power. You might want to look at some solar stuff with some of the AGM 
 batteries Marlon mentioned in another thread. Run everything @ 24V is 
 good that way you don't need any dc-dc converters.

 Leon

 * os10ru...@gmail.com wrote, On 8/2/2009 3:27 PM:
 You might want something like an inverter (Xantrex for example) 
 which  includes a DC to AC inverter, battery charger, and automatic 
 transfer  switch. Add the batteries and you're done.

 Greg

 On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

  
 Thank you,
 That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a  
 UPS.

 A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less  
 and be far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the  
 batteries @ 24VDC.

 Thanks again
 Jerry


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  On Behalf Of Gary Garrett
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator

 Small generators do not auto start very reliably.
 When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat  
 and
 burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines,
 propane can flood and need to rest before trying again, diesel 
 can  be
 REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing
 conditions.
 Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase.  
 (1955
 Model)
 The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times.  
 Everything is
 adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the
 Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a
 huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended.

 You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not
 starting and get it fixed.

 Jerry Richardson wrote:

 We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it  
 does not start reliably.

 Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need  
 to power a CMMmicro - ~100watts.

 Thanks

 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications
   
 


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Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up

2009-08-13 Thread John Thomas
Are you willing to setup a server for their backups?
For home users, Mozy charges $4.95 per month. If you setup your own 
backup server, you would have the initial expense of a server with big 
drive space, but you could charge $4.95 and at least save money on your 
upstream bandwidth.

John

Mike wrote:
 In my heart, I know you are right.  The nature of our business is we 
 buy bandwidth wholesale, and then resell it to others who can't 
 afford to buy dedicated bandwidth.  We factor an oversubscription 
 rate, and count on bursty, short lived traffic from users that share 
 the bandwidth.

 If I could afford to add bandwidth so everybody could maintain a 500 
 kbps connection for days on end, then I would.  But the economics are 
 I pay $350.00 for my first MB and $250.00 for each additional.  So a 
 person using the system for backup is utilizing a $175.00 resource 
 for $42.40 a month; IF the back-up software only uses 500 kbps, and 
 I've seen them surge way over that.

 So, two people running Mosy hog a Meg or more of a precious 
 resource.  Four of them, and they've used a couple MB or more.  I'm 
 sure you get the point.

 I do have a Netequalizer in place with fairness rules that will 
 penalize those packets, because they are long duration IF and when 
 the network gets near capacity.  So, they get penalized, and grandma 
 downloading pictures from her grand kids also gets penalized, even 
 though her use is bursty and infrequent, just because there is not 
 enough overhead on the pipe BECAUSE of the long duration back-up users.

 Without the Netequalizer, just a few of these users would bring my 
 network to its knees.

 I am beginning to think Mosy and their ilk belong in the same camp as 
 Netflix and the P2Pers.

 Mike

 At 05:51 AM 8/13/2009, you wrote:
   
 Mike wrote:
 
 Seems wrong too that a company can make money off using MY bandwidth
 for hours on end with no compensation.
   
 You are getting compensated, by your customer, so now it isn't really
 your bandwidth, but theirs. The customer is paying you to transport
 data, be it pictures of kittens, a HDD backup, or something else. If the
 terms of your contract are such that you can't support this usage, then
 you should probably look at changing the terms of the contract.

 However, I would think that it would be pretty easy to look at the flows
 and put throttling rules in place that limit Carbonite/Mozy/xyz traffic
 when there is congestion.

 Josh


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Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread John Thomas
Is there any reason you can't mount the panels close to the ground? In 
Nevada, this is common practice.

Can you setup a small windmill? Home Depot has these ( as do many other 
suppliers)
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xr5/R-100658295/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1storeId=10051catalogId=10053

400 watts rated.

John


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 H.  Note to self.  Build good mounts, but make them so that they 
 collapse in high winds instead of breaking.

 Thanks for the tip Bill!
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Bill Prince part...@skylinebroadbandservice.com
 To: Principal WISPA Member List w...@wispa.org
 Cc: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 
 isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [Wisp] [WISPA] solar site


   
 IMO 24 hours is not enough reserve.  In our area, we have many occasions
 when there is not enough sun for several days running.  I would plan on
 at least 100 hours reserve; more if you are more conservative.

 Another issue is storm damage.  Two years ago we lost the panels on a
 solar-powered site because of hurricane-force winds.  One of the panels
 only flew about 100 feet from the tower, and was not damaged
 electrically.  The other panel went 200 yards, and was damaged pretty
 badly.  We put the surviving panel back up in 3 days (we had to build a
 new mount, as the old one was completely destroyed).  Still, the site
 never went down because we built a week reserve into the batteries.

 We emergency-ordered a replacement panel, and got it less than a week
 later.  We were able to operate on that one panel for the intervening
 time.  We weren't completely charging the batteries, but there was
 enough reserve to limp along for the time we were down one panel.

 YMMV


 Bill Prince
 Skyline Broadband Service
 (a division of Coastal Sierra)
 650-917-9279



 Scott Parsons wrote:
 
 Hi Marlon, Long time...

 Voltage 12V
 Power Consumption: MT 4 watts, 2 Radio cards 8 watts
 Total= 12 watts @ 12V

 We have a handy calculator at
 http://tyconpower.com/learning_center/learning_center.htm

 I've attached the results. I used 4 hours of sun for your location based 
 on
 another post I saw.
 I used 24 hours extra battery capacity. You may want to increase or 
 decrease
 this depending on the reliability of the sun in your area.

 You need 73 watts minimum solar panel capacity
 You need at least 88 Ah in battery capacity

 This is bigger than the stuff we offer right now but here's a starting 
 list:

 1. 85W solar panel - You should be able to get for about $350 or less

 2. 12V 8A Solar Controller - You should be able to get for $60 or less

 3. 100Ah battery - You don't need a deep discharge type because the solar
 controller will disconnect the load when the battery voltage reaches 
 11.1V
 which protects the battery from over discharge. You just need a type that
 has good performance in cold weather. You should be able to pick up a
 battery for less than $200

 4. You'll need a mount for the solar panels try here:
 http://power-fab.com/products.htm They make all kinds of mounts. I'm not
 sure the cost.

 5. You'll need a vented outdoor enclosure if you are putting the battery
 inside. I've seen people put the battery in one of those plastic battery
 cases you see in small power boats and then the enclosure requirements 
 for
 the controller and electronics becomes easy. We have suitable enclosures 
 for
 $70 14x10x5 Polycarbonate outdoor enclosure

 6. Wiring is quite simple.

 Any decent vendor will warranty the panels for 20-25 years and the solar
 controller for 1 year.

 Regards,
 Scott


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Cc: Principal WISPA Member List; isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
 Subject: [WISPA] solar site

 Hi All,

 Sorry for the cross post.  Time is short on this project and I need a lot 
 of

 help.

 I've never done a solar project.  Never really even looked at them due to
 the costs I've seen tossed about.

 Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment
 needed to cover his community.  The ONLY way into the area is a hill 
 that's
 within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power.

 I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for this
 site.  One backhaul and 1 distribution.  I'll guess that I'll have less 
 than

 a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality).

 We don't often get long periods of no sun.  Could be days of fog or low
 clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun.  On the foggy 
 or
 cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind 
 generation.
 I think.

 So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors 
 welcome!)
 and anything else I'm missing.

 Thanks all!
 marlon



 

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread John Thomas
Absolutely, 12, 24, or 48 volts depending on what you are trying to do.

John


Paul Rice wrote:
 I'd recommend you use either a unmanaged or managed industrial DC powered 
 switch 12-20 vdc
 otherwise your going to need a LOT of solar panels (650 watts is what my 
 calcs came up with)
 In fact eliminate all 120 AC from your outdoor install for the best results 
 to save money on smaller solar rigs.

 Paul

 --
 From: Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:09 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site

   
 Yikes, that is daunting.

 Is that the site your putting in, or your example site?

 --
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site

 
 120

 - Original Message - 
 From: Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site


   
 Hey Marlon

 is that 1.8 amps at 120VAC or 1.8 amps at 12VDC?

 volts x amps = watts
 the precise nominal and max watts that is the real factor determining 
 the
 size of the power system needed
 the difference is 25 watts or 250 watts :)
 CostCo has a solar panel + charger + frame that would work for 25 watts,
 I
 think

 500 is good price, since your able to access it easily, it shouldn't be
 much
 of risk.

 --
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site

 
 Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar 
 system
 good enough for our radios these days?

 Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors!
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site


   
 I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00
 charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built
 my own.  So far, the fully charged light comes on every day.  The
 battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week.  Might
 not be the club way to do it, but it works.

 Mike

 At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote:
 
 Hi All,

 Sorry for the cross post.  Time is short on this project and I need a
 lot
 of
 help.

 I've never done a solar project.  Never really even looked at them due
 to
 the costs I've seen tossed about.

 Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment
 needed to cover his community.  The ONLY way into the area is a hill
 that's
 within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power.

 I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for
 this
 site.  One backhaul and 1 distribution.  I'll guess that I'll have 
 less
 than
 a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality).

 We don't often get long periods of no sun.  Could be days of fog or 
 low
 clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun.  On the 
 foggy
 or
 cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind
 generation.
 I think.

 So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors
 welcome!)
 and anything else I'm missing.

 Thanks all!
 marlon



 
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Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread John Thomas
It looks like there is a sweet spot at 60 watts

http://www.solarhome.org/51-60wattsolarpanels.aspx

About $250 each.

John

Mike wrote:
 I was shocked to find the 15W panels at Northern for $79.00.  I 
 ordered some and they work great.  You need a charge controller, 
 $45.00 to keep the batteries from over charging.  You have to get 
 creative with uni-strut and angle iron to make your own mount, or buy 
 them.  Batteries are the biggest expense.  So to answer your question, yes.


 At 11:29 AM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
   
 Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar system
 good enough for our radios these days?

 Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors!
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Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-05 Thread John Thomas
Cisco's 1242's are certified for 5.4-5.7 GHz. Could you use Cisco APs' 
and Mikrotik clients?

John


Randy Cosby wrote:
 I know the mikrotik R52N card is.. I was so excited...

 Until I read closer.  It's certified as a client device, but not as an 
 AP.  The AP has to do all the heavy DFS/TPC lifting :(

 Randy


 jp wrote:
   
 I'll send one lucky winner $30 paypal if they can show me within a week 
 the M series is 5.4 certified via an FCC document.

 On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 09:18:30PM -0400, Gino Villarini wrote:
   
 
 Where?

 This is the FCC cert for the M5 Rocket

 http://tinyurl.com/yaolxlj

 its only certified for 5.8 ghz AND get this, for PTMP its only certified
 with 6db omnis . so how come they are selling sectors for them .

 Show me where its certified for 5.4, ill send you a $100 paypal

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:42 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

 Actually, their new M series has 5.4 GHz certification.


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 From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
 Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:42 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

 
   
 On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:08:02PM -0400, David Hulsebus wrote:
   
 
 I have used 411 AP's with XR5 cards and NS5L's with good success in
 small subdivision projects. 1/2 to 1 mile using 5M channels running
 
   
 G,
 
   
 mostly horizontal. We lock the rates lower than 54 if we see any CCQ
 numbers consistently below 66%. We've had our best success at 36MB.
 Lowering not raising the power in most cases improves our CCQ. But
 again, we're mostly within a half mile. We don't have a sector
 
   
 broader
 
   
 than 90 deg, run mostly 5.4 on the AP and 5.7 on our backhauls. One
 
   
 site
 
   
 Dave Hulsebus
 
   
 I'm curious what you use that is cheap and legal for 5.4 APs? I know
 that nothing UBNT makes is legal for 5.4 use in the US. Not being a
 frequency nazi, just looking for something legal for me to use.

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Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-05-02 Thread John Thomas
We kind of got sucked into this. We have been working with Cisco as a 
muni provider and were offered the Mesh training, which was good. A City 
IT manager found out about the mesh and wanted it-before it was even 
available-which wasn't so good. We could either install it and make some 
money or walk away and not make money. Based on the data sheets, I had 
high hopes, now that reality has set in, I am disappointed. I understand 
why Ciscos pricing is higher-they bought Airespace and need to get their 
investment back. That doesn't justify the fact the their gear is 3-4 x 
what the competitors is. We are dealing with cities, and most of them 
have a Catalyst 6500 in the back room. They tend to standardize on Cisco 
and are willing to pay the price.


Dos airmatrix have a dual radio mesh box? I just looked and the mesh 
boxes seem to be single radio 2.4 only.


John

Jeffrey Thomas wrote:

Yay branding.

Actually my commpany is certified on cisco mesh. Which doesn't mean I would
sell it or recommend it. I actually tell most customers to consider lower
Cost options because there are so few real differentiators in mesh products.

1. Its far too overpriced ( retail of 4k per unit makes a 50 unit mesh a
240k project when compared to say, airmatrix which would run the operator
Close to 50k. So is one product is 4x greater cost than the other, then
There is something really screwy going on.


-jb

 



On 4/25/06 7:10 AM, John J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Cities don't want home brew, they generally want something that says Cisco on
the side. Every city that we ahve recently talked to either has a Cisco
Catalyst 6500 at teh core or has written a RFP to buy a switch that directly
indicates a Catalyst 6500. Note, I am talking about cities with populationd of
25,000 and larger, I can't speak for the smaller towns.

John




-Original Message-
From: chris cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:00 AM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

Why not just buy the cards, boards, antennas and make a few yourself?

c

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

Then there are companies like airmatrix that charge less than 1k per
node.
The key with mesh is density, and many mesh startup's fail because they
Underbuild their networks.

-

Jeff



On 4/24/06 7:53 AM, John J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

I don't know what equipment they are using, but Cisco AP1500's (mesh)


are
  

abnout $3700 each and Cisco recommends 18-20 per square mile. Thats


$74,000
  

for the boxes plus antennas, mounts, POE and install.

John




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From: chris cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 07:26 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

$173K per mile build out cost?  Somebody just bought a new boat..

c

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On
  

Behalf Of George
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups

I am not a fan of muni wireless.

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Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Who is Open Range Communications Inc.?

2006-05-02 Thread John Thomas

It looks like they want Nevada too...

http://fastads.swiftnews.com/indi/?s=tcanui=lha=850526

John

Chad Halsted wrote:

And Arkansas...

This is was posted in www.ardemgaz.com (Arkansas Democrat Gazette) today
under the Notices section of the paper.  You may want to check your
paper today.



LEGAL NOTICE 
OPEN RANGE COMMUNICATIONS INC. 
We are a prospective applicant under the Rural Broadband Access Loan and

Loan Guarantee Program being administered by the Rural Development,
Utilities Programs (RDUP), United States Department of Agriculture. We
are required, as a prospective applicant to announce our intent to
provide broadband services (200 kilobits upstream and downstream) in the
State of Arkansas in the following communities: 
Arkadelphia, Batesville, Bentonville, Blytheville, Bryant, Cabot,

DeQueen, Dumas, East End, Greenwood, Harrison, Heber Springs, Hope, Hot
Springs Village, Lowell, Magnolia, Marion, Monticello, Morrilton,
Stuttgart, Van Buren, Waynne 
Incumbent broadband service providers have 30 days from the date of this

Legal Notice to inform RDUP if they are currently providing broadband
service in these areas or if they have a commitment to provide service
in these areas. Incumbent broadband service providers should submit to
RDUP, on a form prescribed by RDUP, the number of residential customers
receiving broadband service in the proposed service area, the rates of
data transmission, and the cost of each level of service or proof of
commitment to provide service in the proposed service area. A map should
also be provided showing the boundaries of your service area in relation
to the communities above. 
A Legal Notice Response Form can be obtained from RDUP's website at
www.usda.gov/rus/telecom. 
37055620f 
[37055620]


 



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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:34 PM
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Cc: wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
Subject: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Who is Open Range Communications Inc.?

Interesting.  I guess that the Form 477 doesn't count for this?  Many of

those cities (most???) in Washington are already well covered!

Marlon
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From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:08 PM
Subject: [WISP] Who is Open Range Communications Inc.?


  

Anyone heard of Open Range Communications Inc.?
They have applied for RUS grant money in numerous cities
throughout the country. Below are a few links to their notices
that I have found however, based on search engine results,
it appears as though they have also applied for RUS funds in
Kentucky, Florida and Virginia as well. I know that there are
a couple cities in our coverage area that they have applied for
RUS money to construct their own facilities in so I'll be filing
the necessary paperwork with RDUP in hopes that their
application for those two areas is declined. I am unable to locate
where they are based or their contact information. I searched
bbb.org and dnb.com but they are not registered with either of
these so I'm thinking they may be a start-up company.

There are quite a few cities listed in each of their state notices
below so if you are operating in any of these states, you'll want
to click the applicable link(s) I've provided below to see if they
are trying to invade your turf too. The last thing we as WISP's
need is for RUS money to be given out to someone who is
attempting to compete with one of us in an area that already
has broadband. We need to each do our part and file the
necessary form with RDUP so they don't give money away
for areas that already have broadband available whether the
area is covered by a WISP, CLEC or ILEC.

North Carolina:
http://www.ncpress.com/2x2Network/06Apr24OpenRange.pdf

South Carolina:
http://display.independentmail.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=395985

Maine:



http://me.mypublicnotices.com/PublicNotice.asp?Page=PublicNoticeAdId=91
346
  

Colorado:
http://tinyurl.com/g99rl

Connecticut:



http://ct.mypublicnotices.com/PublicNotice.asp?Page=PublicNoticeAdId=93
998
  

Idaho:
http://www.nwmarket.com/index.php?cmd=browsecat=Personalscode=018
http://www.mountainhomenews.com/classifieds#Miscellaneous

Nevada:
http://fastads.swiftnews.com/indi/?s=tcanui=tba=850526

Rhode Island:
http://www.projo.com/cgi-bin/include.pl/classifieds/legals.htm

Vermont:
http://tinyurl.com/ghruo

Iowa:
http://www.waarc.org/waarc_1_003.htm

Georgia:
http://www.earlycountynews.com/ROP/large/Misc%2Dopenrange%2Ehtm

Texas:
http://www.fortstocktonpioneer.com/classifieds/?loc=detailmain=LEGALS

Kentucky:
contact me off list 

Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-03 Thread John Thomas

It seems like it is time to bill by the packet.
Or at least by groups of packets as in 2 Gigs for $39.
Many clients don;t like this kind of billing, but it is likely the only 
way you can do anything about IPTV.


If you have sold someone a 384k unmetered connection, and they decide to 
actually use it, how can you justify changing the rules?


John


George Rogato wrote:
While I agree with the basic concept of net neutrality, I wonder what 
will happen with IPTV-VOD and the stress it puts on a broadband 
providers network.


If there is any application that I can think of that changes the rules 
of net neutrality it would be IPTV. I understand some will say you 
sold a certain size connection and should live up to that, but no ISP 
has sold a consumer grade broadband connection thinkig that a small 
percentage of it's customers would eat up his entire pipe. Or had in 
mind that this type of usage would be common place when he first sold 
his services and set pricing.


Matter of fact for a wisp this would kill us if tomorrow morning if we 
all woke up and found our customers all downloading tomorrows 
movies-television shows at the same time across our network.
That is the first point. The second point is, does hollywood video 
have a right to use a substantial amount of our network to deliver to 
both our common customers their product without paying us a toll fee?


Anyone else want to argue this?

It's a good subject that we should be discussing.

George

Jack Unger wrote:
Net Neutrality to me means preventing the large backbone providers 
(ATT, etc.) from deciding whose packets will be allowed to use the 
Internet and how much extra it will cost to use the Internet, 
assuming that you are allowed to use it. Packets from sites can be 
(as I understand it) not just slowed down but prevented from crossing 
at all unless the backbone providers approve. This, to me, is 
undemocratic, unjust, and bad for the citizens of any free country. 
That is why I support and have joined the coalition to Save the 
Internet.


http://www.savetheinternet.com/

As responsible individuals who are involved in the Internet business, 
I urge each one of you to:


1. Read the website http://www.savetheinternet.com/

2. Do your own additional research on Net Neutrality, the First 
Amendment of the Internet - based on the First Amendment to the 
American Constitution - Freedom of Speech.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

3. Reach an informed decision on the issue of Net Neutrality

4. If you agree, take action by signing up to join the coalition to 
save the Internet.


5. If you disagree, take action to support your position.

6. Publicize your efforts and help to get the word out to support 
your position.



So far, 500,000 (half a million) individuals and organizations have 
signed up to support the coalition to save the Internet. Of these, 
six are ISPs; none of the six appear to be WISPs.


http://www.savetheinternet.com/=members

I would expect that at least a few WISPs would support this effort to 
keep the Internet accessible equally by everyone.


Thank you for listening,
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Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-03 Thread John Thomas
If Google wants to be faster, let them buy more T-3s or more peering, or 
whatever-don't screw with packet priority...


John

Travis Johnson wrote:

Hi,

The flip side is that you are selling a customer a connection. That is 
how YOU are making your money... why do you care what they run over 
it? Does it matter if it's IPTV or doing an FTP file transfer?


However, I really don't think this is going to affect the smaller 
operators. This bill was designed for people like UUnet, ATT, Sprint, 
etc. so they can start doing a tiered billing (in hopes of making 
more money for the same amount of bandwidth). I also heard that Google 
and some other players were possibly supporting this idea, in hopes 
that they would be able to pay for faster net speeds. (i.e. when 
someone does a Google search it would be faster because Google is 
paying ATT or whomever for faster access than say Yahoo or whoever).


It is a bad idea all the way around. I can see no benefit to the 
average Internet user, and only more headaches for the ISP's.


Travis
Microserv

George Rogato wrote:

While I agree with the basic concept of net neutrality, I wonder what 
will happen with IPTV-VOD and the stress it puts on a broadband 
providers network.


If there is any application that I can think of that changes the 
rules of net neutrality it would be IPTV. I understand some will say 
you sold a certain size connection and should live up to that, but no 
ISP has sold a consumer grade broadband connection thinkig that a 
small percentage of it's customers would eat up his entire pipe. Or 
had in mind that this type of usage would be common place when he 
first sold his services and set pricing.


Matter of fact for a wisp this would kill us if tomorrow morning if 
we all woke up and found our customers all downloading tomorrows 
movies-television shows at the same time across our network.
That is the first point. The second point is, does hollywood video 
have a right to use a substantial amount of our network to deliver to 
both our common customers their product without paying us a toll fee?


Anyone else want to argue this?

It's a good subject that we should be discussing.

George

Jack Unger wrote:

Net Neutrality to me means preventing the large backbone providers 
(ATT, etc.) from deciding whose packets will be allowed to use the 
Internet and how much extra it will cost to use the Internet, 
assuming that you are allowed to use it. Packets from sites can be 
(as I understand it) not just slowed down but prevented from 
crossing at all unless the backbone providers approve. This, to 
me, is undemocratic, unjust, and bad for the citizens of any free 
country. That is why I support and have joined the coalition to 
Save the Internet.


http://www.savetheinternet.com/

As responsible individuals who are involved in the Internet 
business, I urge each one of you to:


1. Read the website http://www.savetheinternet.com/

2. Do your own additional research on Net Neutrality, the First 
Amendment of the Internet - based on the First Amendment to the 
American Constitution - Freedom of Speech.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

3. Reach an informed decision on the issue of Net Neutrality

4. If you agree, take action by signing up to join the coalition to 
save the Internet.


5. If you disagree, take action to support your position.

6. Publicize your efforts and help to get the word out to support 
your position.



So far, 500,000 (half a million) individuals and organizations have 
signed up to support the coalition to save the Internet. Of these, 
six are ISPs; none of the six appear to be WISPs.


http://www.savetheinternet.com/=members

I would expect that at least a few WISPs would support this effort 
to keep the Internet accessible equally by everyone.


Thank you for listening,
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Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-24 Thread John Thomas
Marlon , why the additive pricing for additional Gigs? Why wouldn't you 
just charge x$ per gig, since that is essentially what you are being 
charged by your upstream. If someone is using an average of 161 kbps 
constantly for a month, that sounds a lot like a T-1. Speakeasy is doing 
T-1s to the Internet for $399, others are doing SDSL at $250-299 per 
month, so if you are in the neighborhood, that should be expected. 
Anothe thing to think about is tiering your pricing


4 Gigs$49
10 Gigs  $99
50 Gigs   $299

or something like that.

John Thomas


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

OK, so now that we know who our heavy users are I have to come up with 
a couple of things.


First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download would be. 
Specifically, I've got a couple of customers doing 50 gigs per month.  
How many kbps does it take to generate that?


We pay for our internet based on kbps.

Next, what do we do for an overage fee?  Currently it's set as $5 for 
the first gig, $10 for the second, $20 for the third etc.  At 25 gigs 
the customer has a $5,000,000 bill.  Sure that'll run off the abusers, 
but I'd rather find a more reasonable way to bill them.


We have a business customer that legitimately uses 40 to 50 gig per 
month. We just moved them from $75 to $350 per month (matched the t-1 
price they pay in another town).  They don't feel abused and I feel 
more comfortable about their usage.  We bumped them up to 60 gigs 
included.


I have another customer that's at 10 gigs now (our included limit is 
4).  We talked about an appropriate rate of increase.  Under our 
standard levels, they'd more than double their bill.  If we hit them 
with a couple of hundred in billing they'd go elsewhere.  We would, 
however, like to dig a little bit deeper into their back pocket.  I 
talked with them a bit about our need to recover costs based on their 
usage etc.


They said if we hit $100 to $125 they'd not have a problem with that.

On our end we have two problems.  One, we pay for internet based on 
usage. The more they use the more we pay.  Our costs were up 15% last 
month.  The other, maybe worse issue, is that we have to increase the 
capacity to towers that have heavy users on them.  Possibly to the 
point of a dedicated ap to cover just a customer or three.  Now we're 
really talking bucks and spectrum issues etc.


My original idea was that if a person went over by a gig or two we'd 
ding them a few dollars as a shot across the bow kind of thing.  
Around 50 of our 400 users are going over the new 4 gig level though.  
Some will fix that by getting postini and dropping the spam.  Some 
will fix that by getting the kids to turn off the file sharing 
programs.  And some are legitimately using that much data.


In the end, we don't want to run off people if we can help it.  Those 
at the 30 to 50 gig level will probably leave us for other services, 
but that's gonna be ok.  They mess things up for everyone around 
them.  Better that my competitors have customers like that than we 
do.  For all of the rest, we need to recover our costs, and hopefully 
make a little extra money on them.


S, my new idea is, gigs 5 through 10 would be at $5 per month.  
Gigs 10 through 20 at $10 per gig.  Over 20, call for a price and 
we'll work something out that works for all of us.  We really need it 
to naturally hit around $350 at the 50 gig level to match what we did 
with the first big customer.


Thougths

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Re: [WISPA] anyone see this?

2007-03-16 Thread John Thomas

Having a 4xT as a backup is better than no connection.

John

John Scrivner wrote:
Maybe it is very costly to do? Charter Pipeline service in my market 
is not multi-homed either. Neither am I at this point. I used to be 
multi-homed in the days when 2 T1s did the job. It is not easy to 
swing redundant fiber runs in a town that is 75 miles from the nearest 
telco-hotel. When I get multi-homed fibers here then I will probably 
do that through a mini-telco-hotel facility here and make that place a 
new business opportunity in itself.

Scriv


Matt Liotta wrote:


It does make you wonder why the ISP in question wasn't multi-homed.

-Matt

Tim Wolfe wrote:

Thank The good Lord above that I never signed the TelCove contract 
for bandwidth last year!. I mean, you really have no idea what the 
local provider was doing wrong, but to turn off a school district 
and fire CO on that system, COME ON!. You can bet the lawsuits from 
the school district alone will make Level 3 think twice about doing 
this again?. If  you have an offending server, the stupid thing has 
an IP address, Block it!. I would hope that Level 3 has enough 
smarts to do this?. Even a little guy like me knows how to block an 
offending IP address, and I am stupid, LOL!



Matt Liotta wrote:


http://gigaom.com/2007/03/14/why-did-level-3-turn-off-a-rural-isp/








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Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.

2007-03-22 Thread John Thomas

This site has some DECT products...

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/dect/

John


John Scrivner wrote:
$50K up front and 50 cents a device to control an entire band in the 
US sounds like a pretty cheap deal to me. I am surprised nobody jumped 
on that. I do not see that as too much to pay and I am very surprised 
this did not take off. I hate it when opportunity is right in front of 
my face and I am too blind to see it!

Scriv


Rich Comroe wrote:

I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I 
expect

that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi
handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the
others.
  


There's a reason you haven't seen these products here.  I began 
searching for why the last time a thread discussed the 1.9GHz UL band 
surfaced on this list.  I doubt you'll ever see much product ever 
emerge for this band in the United States.  There's a reason for this 
too ...



I've heard some discussion on this list regarding how the FCC gave 
the industry UL spectrum and they didn't use it.  With such a 
connection, wisps must understand why this band has been 
underutilized here (as well as judging the chances of new products 
emerging).


Years ago the FCC took this band away from Pt-Pt microwave users.  
They authorized a group called UTAM to pay what was necessary to move 
these microwave users to clear the band.  Apparently UTAM spent 
whatever it took since it wasn't there money.  Manufacturers 
wanting to field UL product had to pay UTAM what were known as 
clearing fees.  Check out http://www.utam.org/ClearingFees.html.  
Prior to April 1 2005 the clearing fees were enough to dissuade any 
manufacturer from building UL product for the United States!  IMHO 
the UTAM fees doubled the cost of producing UL product.  Since April 
1 2005 the fees drop to a mere 50 cents per radio, but a manufacturer 
must still pay UTAM $50,000 up front.  With the lack of products, 
UTAM has amassed a huge debt.


The FCC groundrules for clearing the Pt-Pt users from the band were 
more than enough to insure that this UL band would never be 
effectively utilized in the United States.


Just my opinion,
Rich
 - Original Message -  From: Ralph  To: 'WISPA General List' 
 Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:45 AM

 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.


 I deployed a DECT (Digital European Cordless Telecommunications) 
system with

 450 handsets several years ago.

 The phones were single line units made by Phillips.  They system 
worked OK,
 but the features were very lacking.  The frequency range was 
1880-1900 MHz
 This deployment was in Paris, France and was connected behind a PBX. 
There

 were about 21 base stations, each one capable of supporting many
 conversations.

 The DECT system is interesting because it is the standard in Europe and
 people's home handsets could be registered on this system. All I had 
to do
 was enter the code # into the management system.  We were afraid 
that the
 handsets might begin disappearing due to the interoperability, but 
these

 handsets were so cheesy that the home models were much better.

 The DECT system did handoff calls as the users walked between base 
stations,

 which was pretty cool.

 A year or so aqo, DECT was authorized here in the US, on slightly 
different
 frequencies: 1920-1930 MHz. There was not any general hoopla at all 
around

 this introduction.

 DECT isn't GSM, but the two are made to be very compatible and in 
Europe,
 there are dual mode DECT/GSM phones.  These systems, which are 
sometimes
 used in installations like mine, allow the user to switch over to a 
more

 cost-effective DECT connection when in range, and the GSM signaling is
 passed over to the DECT system, but in DECT format.

 I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I 
expect

 that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi
 handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the
 others.

 It should eliminate all WISP interference for sure!

 Ralph






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 Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
 Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:54 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.

 All,

 I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would 
suggest a  great alternative to avoid interference with the most 
common frequencies  used to deploy wireless networks would be to use 
DECT cordless phones in  the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and 
are relatively inexpensive.  We use a DECT phone system here with all 
the features we could ever ask  for and we got them for a song after 
the rebate.


 Just a thought.

 Regards,
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Re: [WISPA] Cisco Wireless Bridges

2007-10-11 Thread John Thomas

They work OK for us in the East San Francisco Bay area.
They have the ability to move to a different channel if the noise gets 
too bad.


JT

Don Annas wrote:
Is anyone using the Cisco 1300 or 1400 series AP/Bridges?  

 


I know they are a bit pricing, but was curious how they performed in a noisy
environment?  

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Advertising

2007-10-24 Thread John Thomas
I guess if you wanted to push the envelope, you could put a Squid 
server in your core, do a download of a large file and then repeat. You 
could then advertise the second rate as up to X Mbps, and it would be 
technically correct.


John


Travis Johnson wrote:

Marlon,

We already did that... with CableOne and with the WiMax competitor... 
however, a lot of people don't check that before they read the ad in 
the newspaper that says 4meg wireless for $34.95 and think they are 
paying too much with our service.


Maybe I should start advertising up to 100meg for $39.95 and see how 
that goes over? :)


Travis
Microserv

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I think that the first thing I would do is post a screen capture of a 
speakeasy test on your web site.  Put yours and theirs right there, 
side by side.  Let the proof be in the puddin'.

marlon

- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 2:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Advertising



Hi,

This issue with ComCast and their p2p connection blocking brings up 
another issue I would like to discuss... false advertising.


I have a competitor that is selling up to 4meg down by 1meg up for 
$34.95 with free installation and no contract. Another competitor is 
doing up to 2meg for $39.95... yet, when I purchased their service 
and did speed tests, the fastest I ever got was 500kbps. At what 
point is there a false advertising claim to be made against these 
companies that are advertising service that can NEVER been achieved 
at any time on their network?


I would think if you did speed tests every hour, 24 hours per day 
for a week and never got within 90% of their claimed speed, there 
could be a case. The damages would be in customers that are 
switching from my service to theirs based on their advertising 
claims. Each customer should be worth at least 12x the monthly 
revenue based on current market values.


Anyone else agree? Or am I way off base here?

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Re: [WISPA] Advertising

2007-10-24 Thread John Thomas
I used to have a 192k SDSL connection to the Internet. When the price 
went up to $129 per month, I ended up going to a cable modem that was 
rated at 6 meg downloads. My wife was very vocal about how much slower 
the cable modem was. I don't know what they do, but DNS lookups are 
horrible on the cable networks, thus making connections sluggish. The 
LATENCY was very noticeable to a nontechnical person. She just knew that 
web pages came up much faster on a 192k SDSL business grade line as 
opposed to a 6 meg consumer grade one.


John



David E. Smith wrote:

Tom DeReggi wrote:

[ a nice sales pitch ]


Cust-Is it faster than DSL or Cable?
Sales- The true measure of speed is Latency, and our latency 
outperforms both Cable and DSL. Thats why you won't see a latency 
spec in our competitor's advertisements


Just out of curiosity, do you have one of your adverts posted 
somewhere?  I'm really interested to see how you make packet latency 
(which for most bulk traffic is a nearly useless metric of speed as 
the customer would perceive it) into a selling point.


Latency might be relevant for gamers, but otherwise, a couple hundred 
milliseconds between click and file starts downloading doesn't 
seem like it would be nearly as relevant as the time between file 
starts downloading and file is finished downloading, which usually 
has little to do with latency. (I know, TCP slow-start and so on, but 
if you start trying to explain THAT to an end-user you've probably 
gone way over their head.)


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Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-19 Thread John Thomas
If you have an APC SmartUPS 750 XL, you can add APC battery packs. They 
even have a UXBP24 that does

Battery Volt-Amp-Hour Capacity 3360

It is definitely more expensive than other batteries, but it does plug 
right in


John Thomas


Tom DeReggi wrote:
You also want to use a combination of putting the batteries in series and parallel, to keep the amperage within specs supported by the equipment. Its just not an issue of the cable and batteries, but also what the radio's ports will handle. Also charging is a factor. The more batteries the larger the load on the charging circuit.  Most UPS manufactuirers do not give the specs on the load that the charging circuit can handle.  


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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:53 AM

  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?


  Hi,

  Again, you need to be careful... the charging unit in the smaller UPS systems 
(700, 1000, 1400) is not designed to run for 3-4 days to charge up 10 batteries 
that were drained from an outage. You will burn up the UPS.

  I would not recommend more than 4 external batteries on any small UPS.

  Travis
  Microserv

  Mark Nash wrote: 
Hooked up properly, you should be able to put in as many as you want/have

space for.

Can anyone share how to hook up batteries in parallel vs. series?

Also, once you put in the SNMP card, you can tell it how many external
batteries you have.  This is a way of estimating how much runtime you will
have.  It's not accurate, because you're using different batteries than it
expects.  For 2 batteries, I enter in 4 external batteries for this value.
It is as close as I've found you can get it.

Mark Nash
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

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From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?


  Thanks for the advice. I'm going to try one.

I'm wondering how many batteries I can gang together using the ups you
mentioned.

George


Mark Nash wrote:
UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries)
SNMP card - $125 on ebay
2 batteries  2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending
on battery quality).  I get mine at Bimart.
misc connectors  wire $20

I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and
Tranzeo AP.  I thnk that's best-case-scenario.

Mark Nash
UnwiredOnline
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?


  Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime.
This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually
when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more.

With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and
how long have you had for a power outage?

I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out.
But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me
uneasy.



Mark Nash wrote:
George, are you really needing that much?  3KVA?  Or is it the higher
battery capacity you're wanting?

I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries.  Then
I buy
a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of
course).
I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control
w/e-mail notification.  Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to
power
off each receptacle individually, watchdog).

On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on
load 
whatchya got out there...

Mark Nash
UnwiredOnline.Net
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Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
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541-998-5599 fax

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?


  I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops.

I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these:

http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1

Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price?



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Re: [WISPA] OT......Question

2007-12-18 Thread John Thomas

And if you need Windows applications, then this may work for you;

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/

John

Steve wrote:

Ubuntu Linux is great for a family computer.  The install is easier than
window, you won't have the headaches of endless virus and spyware
removal issues. it is just as easy to learn as M$ windoze and you will
find that in the end you  are ahead of the game.
Anyone who fears linux for the novice user hasn't experienced
ubuntu/kubuntu.
I have encouraged quite a few budding computer users to make the switch
to ubuntu and they have abandoned windoze and aren't looking back.
Soon more people will be wondering why we have to pay tax to M$ on every
computer we buy.
:-)
Steve

--


Travis Johnson wrote:
  

Jeff,

A family computer should still be Windows. Too many programs your
family will want to run will require Windows. It's not worth the
headaches of a Linux box for family use.

Travis
Microserv

Jeff Broadwick wrote:


Hi Butch,

I'm getting close to a decision on a new computer for my family.  What Linux
desk-top would be best at this point?

Jeff 


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On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
Why is everyone so down on Vista?  I have been using it for a long 
time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, 
without problems [laptops and PC's].  I think it is more a learning 
curve with so many changes rom the earlier versions.

Vista is here to stay and you should be learning t-not going backwards.



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Re: [WISPA] Low-Profile PCI 802.11g

2007-12-19 Thread John Thomas

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps4555/products_data_sheet09186a00801ebc33.html

They aren't cheap, but they come with a low profile bracket.

John

Mike Hammett wrote:
It certainly looks small, but it doesn't mention low profile 
anywhere.  Does it fit in a low profile slot?  Does it include a low 
profile bracket?



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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Low-Profile PCI 802.11g



MSI makes a nice one.

Jory Privett
WCCS

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Subject: [WISPA] Low-Profile PCI 802.11g


Does anyone have a recommendation for an 802.11g device for a 
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Re: [WISPA] LDAP

2008-01-29 Thread John Thomas
You would use LDAP when you need directory services. An example might be 
using RADIUS to contact an LDAP server for Authentication. Another use 
may be to have single sign on across multiple servers.

John

Mike Hammett wrote:
 Someone asked why I didn't use some sort of directory system like eDirectory, 
 LDAP, Active Directory, etc. within my WISP.  I shrugged my shoulders and 
 said I dunno, that's just not how I've seen things.  A friend of mine also 
 once told me that I should have an LDAP server, but I forget how\why it would 
 be used.

 Those of you using LDAP (or another directory system), how are you using it?


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Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-29 Thread John Thomas
Unless you have a H.323 compliant firewall, 1 to 1 NAT will generally 
break H.323 (Netmeeting)
Also, some VPN clients default config doesn't work properly through NAT.

John

Ugo Bellavance wrote:
 Jason Hensley wrote:
   
 Even if you buy your own from ARIN, if you're that big, then the costs are
 nothing - I agree.  

 I personally do private addressing on all my broadband clients.  That allows
 me to NAT how I see fit.  I someone needs a public IP I do a static 1-1 NAT
 for them.  So far I've had no issues.  
 

 Ok, makes sense.  In what cases, for example, would they need a public 
 IP and I guess that means that you have to make a reservation in your DHCP?

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Re: [WISPA] Cisco Mesh 1510 or 1520 series

2008-02-25 Thread John Thomas
I've done Cisco, but it was a small install, just 4 1500 series

John

Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Femtocells

2008-04-07 Thread John Thomas
G.711 *can* support FAXing, otherwise g.729 is very common for voice.


John

Mike Hammett wrote:
 I know.  ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (the GSM for wireless is the same as the 
 GSM VoIP codec).  I dunno if the CDMA operators translate to anything in the 
 VoIP world or not.

 I've tested with various codecs and I may use G.729 at some point, but for 
 now I'm limiting myself to G.711 and G.722 once I get some business 
 customers interested in it.


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 - Original Message - 
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 Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells


   
 The cell carriers aren't using G711.  I haven't seen how much a UMA call
 takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u.  UMA basically
 encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel.  EDGE traffic gets
 up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data
 stream over UMA going up to 150-200K.

 If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up
 to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as,
 plus some overhead for security).

 -- Bryan

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 
 I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711.


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 Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells


   
 G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead.  Normally about 90 kbps.  But there
 are
 lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half.
 - Original Message - 
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 Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells


 
 Does anyone know how much BW a call will require?

 Marty

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 Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells

 Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer 
 them
 the
 service, so that they do a  bundle to the end user... Internet -
 Femtocell

 And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic
 directly
 to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On
 Internet
 Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!!


 ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip...

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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 Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells

 femtocells

 This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share.

 With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the 
 consumer

 doesn't need to have an extra land line.
 The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone
 line.
 No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is
 now
 in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably
 lesser
 expensive internet connection.

 It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company.

 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp
 nL.VHQpsjtBAF

 Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the 
 latest

 craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost
 cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes.



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread John Thomas

Have you considered $19/mo for 1 Gig, $39/mo for 5 Gig and $59/mo for 10 
Gig +$x per gig over what they normally pay?

Another thought is do the tiers, and throttle them after they hit a 
point, after 1 gig, then you get throttled to 64k for the rest of the month.

John

Mike Hammett wrote:
 So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband service?  
 It obviously depends on what your costs are.  I'll just throw something out 
 to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any costs.

 $2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits.

 $10 base, $1.50/gig transferred, no other limits.


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Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money

2008-06-16 Thread John Thomas
Cisco 851 router + Smartnet.
Cisco 871 router if you need VLANs

John


Rogelio wrote:
 Ron Wallace wrote:
   
 to All,

 I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. 
 Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500.
 

 I just installed pfsense, and honestly, if you're asking this question, 
 my guess is that it does everything you need and has easy-to-install 
 packages to extend its functionality.

 Personally, I prefer PIX/ASA for this sort of deployment, but I've 
 deployed everything under the sun from 
 CheckPoints/SonicWALL/Juniper/Nokia/etc.

 You can get a cheapo 1U server for like $400, and that should do 
 everything you could ever even think about needing for that sort of office.

 The problem with servers like this is that there are way more things 
 to go wrong.  Getting, say, a PIX with the SmartNET is probably a much 
 better long term soln for a client like this.


 
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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

2008-06-29 Thread John Thomas
Have you called Barracuda Support? They are good to work with and may be 
able to help you-you could have something weird going on in the box that 
needs to be fixed.  We don't generally sell the 200's, but I have had 
300's that handle 60,000 + emails a day and aren't breaking a sweat.

John Thomas

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
 http://www.untangle.com/  it is free to install on any server. I have a
 Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't
 even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
 un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
 pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only got
 200 email addresses and its rated for 500. 

  

 I'm looking for anything this Barracuda junk is not worth the $500 year
 subscription when you can't even log into it.

  

  

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com

  

  

  



 
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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

2008-06-29 Thread John Thomas
Travis, because there is an element of control that you lose when you 
outsource. I have a client that got really upset when an email that was 
addressed to 3 companies only made it to one employee. Long story short, 
Frontbridge saw that the email came into their servers, but only one 
copy went out to 1 of the companies employees. This took *several* hours 
and 3 different Frontbridge employees to find out.  If this client had 
been using a Barracuda, then there wouldn't have been a problem. Before 
you start to flame me, I know that you aren't supposed to use email in 
this manner, i.e. mission critical, time sensitive Purchase orders from 
Asia to the US, but this client did, and they were furious. Another 
reason I have a problem is that both Frontbridge and Postini *require* a 
3 year commitment, and you may not have to pay up front, but once you 
sign on, they have you for 3 years. I have a BIG problem with any 
business that operates like that. In this instance, the cleint is now 
stuck with Frontbridge for 2 1/2 years, and their attitude when asked 
about a refund was tough, you agreed to a 3 year term, and we have your 
money.

John Thomas


Travis Johnson wrote:
 And on another thought... with that much junk mail, why not use a 
 service that blocks the spam BEFORE it uses your bandwidth and 
 resources? Like Postini... or others.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Frank Muto wrote:
 Just a thought, unless you have a 600 or better unit, you are running 
 1x10/100 Ethernet on 100-400 units vs. 2xGigabit on to 
 600-1000 units, IMO creating a bottleneck even with low to moderate user 
 accounts. This is where most of our cross-over sales 
 are from, in the lower model units. With the amount of junk email flying 
 around out there, even active user accounts under 
 250 are pulling in substantial amounts of junk and direct harvest attacks.


 Frank Muto
 www.secureemailplus.com





 - Original Message - 
 From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


   
 Kurt,

  What firmware are you running?
 How many emails are you filtering?
 Have you done a hard reboot on it lately?
 How many Spam emails are you killing per hour? Per day? (There is a Daily
 Traffic graph/email that tell you this)

 I know mine too (Cuda) is sluggish, but it's the amount of incoming spam
 that is bogging us down. We are getting hammered (and have been for months)
 by spam in excess of 500,000 per 24 hours.

 I will agree - Cuda is a PITA and we will begin testing with Jeremy Davis
 this week. He hosts the backend (web hosting, email, radius, Freeside...etc)
 for a bunch of other WISPs including SPAM filtering - My fingers are crossed
 and if you will holler at me off list later this week I will give you a
 report on how things are going.

 Mac



 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:00 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

 Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
 http://www.untangle.com/  it is free to install on any server. I have
 a
 Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I
 don't
 even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
 un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
 pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
 got
 200 email addresses and its rated for 500.



 I'm looking for anything this Barracuda junk is not worth the $500 year
 subscription when you can't even log into it.





 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com









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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

2008-06-29 Thread John Thomas
Unless you know something I don't, all the quotes we have received from 
Postini require a 3 year commitment, with a minimum of 1 years payment 
up front.

For my client that has 60,000 + emails coming into his Barracuda, his 
Exchange 2003 server is happily running along.

John Thomas


Frank Muto wrote:
 Since when does Postini require a 3-year commitment? IMO there is more to the 
 Frontbridge saga and even Barracuda can not fix 
 the hiccups of MS Exchange.




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 Postini - Google Apps Distributor
 www.SecureEmailPlus.com






 - Original Message - 
 From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


   
 Travis, because there is an element of control that you lose when you
 outsource. I have a client that got really upset when an email that was
 addressed to 3 companies only made it to one employee. Long story short,
 Frontbridge saw that the email came into their servers, but only one
 copy went out to 1 of the companies employees. This took *several* hours
 and 3 different Frontbridge employees to find out.  If this client had
 been using a Barracuda, then there wouldn't have been a problem. Before
 you start to flame me, I know that you aren't supposed to use email in
 this manner, i.e. mission critical, time sensitive Purchase orders from
 Asia to the US, but this client did, and they were furious. Another
 reason I have a problem is that both Frontbridge and Postini *require* a
 3 year commitment, and you may not have to pay up front, but once you
 sign on, they have you for 3 years. I have a BIG problem with any
 business that operates like that. In this instance, the cleint is now
 stuck with Frontbridge for 2 1/2 years, and their attitude when asked
 about a refund was tough, you agreed to a 3 year term, and we have your
 money.

 John Thomas


 Travis Johnson wrote:
 
 And on another thought... with that much junk mail, why not use a
 service that blocks the spam BEFORE it uses your bandwidth and
 resources? Like Postini... or others.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Frank Muto wrote:
   
 Just a thought, unless you have a 600 or better unit, you are running 
 1x10/100 Ethernet on 100-400 units vs. 2xGigabit on 
 to
 600-1000 units, IMO creating a bottleneck even with low to moderate user 
 accounts. This is where most of our cross-over 
 sales
 are from, in the lower model units. With the amount of junk email flying 
 around out there, even active user accounts 
 under
 250 are pulling in substantial amounts of junk and direct harvest attacks.


 Frank Muto
 www.secureemailplus.com





 - Original Message - 
 From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda



 
 Kurt,

  What firmware are you running?
 How many emails are you filtering?
 Have you done a hard reboot on it lately?
 How many Spam emails are you killing per hour? Per day? (There is a Daily
 Traffic graph/email that tell you this)

 I know mine too (Cuda) is sluggish, but it's the amount of incoming spam
 that is bogging us down. We are getting hammered (and have been for 
 months)
 by spam in excess of 500,000 per 24 hours.

 I will agree - Cuda is a PITA and we will begin testing with Jeremy Davis
 this week. He hosts the backend (web hosting, email, radius, 
 Freeside...etc)
 for a bunch of other WISPs including SPAM filtering - My fingers are 
 crossed
 and if you will holler at me off list later this week I will give you a
 report on how things are going.

 Mac




   
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:00 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

 Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
 http://www.untangle.com/  it is free to install on any server. I have
 a
 Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I
 don't
 even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
 un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
 pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
 got
 200 email addresses and its rated for 500.



 I'm looking for anything this Barracuda junk is not worth the $500 year
 subscription when you can't even log into it.





 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com









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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread John Thomas


Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that 
pass through POE?

Not to my knowledge.

I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do
tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill



On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
 want to do is learn another radio system.

 Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

 Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

 I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
 one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
 Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
 a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

 I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
 many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

 How does everyone you get around this?

 Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
 pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread John Thomas
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Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that 
pass through POE?

Not to my knowledge.

I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do
tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill



On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
 want to do is learn another radio system.

 Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

 Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

 I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
 one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
 Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
 a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

 I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
 many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

 How does everyone you get around this?

 Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
 pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-12 Thread John Thomas


Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:

Thanks for the gumball, Popeye.

Thanks for the gumball.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 6:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: i...@jcwifi.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Looking to Sell..

I work with Sara who started the thread

We have 40 - 80 currently and will have more that would like to move CPQ19's
all generations, current firmware





Scott Piehn
JCWIFI.com Division Manager
Computer Dynamics
451 W. South St
Freeport, IL 61032
spi...@computerdyn.com
V 815.233.2641
F 815.233.6225
- Original Message -
From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..


 Anyone who has Tranzeo CPQ15, CPQ19, SL2-15, SL2N, SL5 or TR5a radios
 for sale, please contact me.   We are switching to 10mhz channels and I
 have about 500 or so of the older CPE200 and CPE80 radios to switch out.

 I've been buying a lot of NS2/NS5 and Bullet2/Bullet5, but it is a lot
 easier to switch to a Tranzeo when the customer already has a Tranzeo,
 and there are quite a few situations where a Tranzeo works better than a
 Ubiquiti radio.

 Matt Larsen
 mlar...@vistabeam.com


 On 6/11/2010 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 An NS2 is $80 list.

 I think most will agree it is superior, too.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net 
 wrote:

 $100

 I doubt it.  New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that 
 gain
 (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even 
 less.
 Why buy old/used Wifi?
 Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used.

 Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky

 to
 get $50, on the high side.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com
 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..



 Tranzeo CPQ 19f



 We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. 
 Hoping
 they are worth around $100.  Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com.





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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread John Thomas
And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find 
a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.

John

Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the 
customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* 
and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to the 
customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves.

-Kurt Fankhauser


- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP


 Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net 
 wrote:
 I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do 
 my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and 
 web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port 
 from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone 
 else.

 In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you 
 are doing NAT.

 --
 Adam Kennedy
 Network Engineer
 Omnicity, Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

 Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told
 that it's a big security hole.

 Thoughts on that?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP


 I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.

 When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
 it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
 gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even
 this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict
 (I think it's called open?).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com 
 wrote:
 So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to 
 you
 about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about 
 being
 behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other
 servers.
 From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and 
 Play
 (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing
 masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that
 device?
 Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let 
 them
 worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then
 do
 a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does
 that
 not work because of the double-NAT?



 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com








 
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread John Thomas
Are you always that quick to jump to conclusions? I guess I am just spoiled 
living in CA and NV as all the ISPs I have ever known of assign IP addresses 
either free or $5 per month. 

Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:

True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:

 Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go.
 Or not.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of John Thomas
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

 And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would
 find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.

 John

 Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the

 customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins*
 and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to
 the
 customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves.

 -Kurt Fankhauser


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP


 Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net
 wrote:
 I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me
 do
 my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet
 and
 web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port
 from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone
 else.

 In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you
 are doing NAT.

 --
 Adam Kennedy
 Network Engineer
 Omnicity, Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

 Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told
 that it's a big security hole.

 Thoughts on that?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP


 I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.

 When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
 it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
 gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even
 this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict
 (I think it's called open?).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
 wrote:
 So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to
 you
 about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about
 being
 behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other
 servers.
 From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and
 Play
 (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing
 masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that
 device?
 Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let
 them
 worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and
 then
 do
 a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does
 that
 not work because of the double-NAT?



 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com









 
 
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