Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
Josh, We are two years deep in a contract with the folks below. I have to give the kudo’s - - they gave us some good pricing and have been outstanding good help. I don’t know if he can help you, but I would think it would be worth a phone call. YMMV Good luck, Mac Scott Fairbairn American Communication Solutions, Inc. 901 South Mopac, Bldg. 2, Suite 505 Austin, TX 78746 www.amcomsolutions.com 512-342-2226 x101 cid:part2.00040902.06050700@amcomsolutions.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP
Cameron - - I think the key is to sell with the intent of never going back to the sold internet business in case of default on the buyers part. Look at what they have to leverage (mortgage) to you that is not related to the ISP. You don't want to loan or finance anything to anyone at any time that doesn't have enough real assets to satisfy their debt with you completely. The amount of mortgaged items should cover not only the amount left financed from the deal, but also legal fees if they should default on their deal. Make everything go your way and CYA with paper! Good Luck, Mac From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP Doug, The problem I see with that is that you will most likely have to take the other party to court to enforce the terms of your agreement if one of the terms is breached. It could take months or even years to get a final judgement at which time there may be nothing left. This may be good advice for a non-wisp business, but in the fast paced world of broadband, customers will likely flee before a resolution is reached. If the buyer is left insolvent, you are left with nothing, and may be on the hook for all your own legal fees. I talked to three different business attorneys and they all told me to run from any seller financed deal regardless of who the buyer was. Again, if the buyer can't get financing on their own, are they a good buyer? On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com wrote: Of course! You have to have a willing seller and buyer to start. My point is that setting preconditions before you get started (as a buyer or as a seller) unnecessarily limits what you ultimately would be able to do. Don't take options off the table until you have a specific deal to consider. Then is the time to say I'm only taking cash or I'll finance, but only with X, Y, and Z terms that protect me. Doug From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP Depends on how bad you want to sell ...we don't always want to buy. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Selling ISP Date: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 2:08 PM Cameron- There's lots of ways to structure the deal so that you're protected, even if the buyer is a complete imbecile and even if the buyer doesn't have cash up front. If you want to sell or if you want to buy, don't let the all-cash restriction prevent you from making a deal. If you end up in court chasing payments from the buyer, then you likely didn't draft your agreement carefully enough given your tolerance for risk (of course, your due diligence should be telling you whether the buyer is an imbecile, and that information should inform what kind of deal you're willing to accept). To categorically reject buyers who don't have 100% cash to hand you at closing might mean leaving money on the table or more flexible terms from someone who can put together a more attractive end package. In that sense, it works like selling real estate. The all-cash offer isn't always your best one. To Randy's point--Jab has undergone a major shakeup at the top. Many of the senior executive staff have departed in the last few months. That might account for some of the quietness. I don't have any inside information, just what I learned trying to round up potential panelists and speakers for WISPAmerica. Doug From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP The seller is not a bank. Why should they take on all the risk? What happens if the buyer is a complete imbecile and runs the network into the ground and defaults on payments? Now you are in court suing for money you will most likely never see, and even if you retake possession of the network, it may be in shambles or most of your customers have left. We walked away from a couple of buyers who would not pony up the cash. I'd say as one who sold a wisp, if the buyer can't afford it, or can't arrange their own financing, you don't want to sell. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: There's many more buyers out there. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:00:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP Is anyone actually buying right now? I haven't heard much about the big buyer (Jab) lately.
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us. Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a month per sub, but they have really nice webmail. YMMV, GL Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting We are using tucows/opensrs. The antispam isn't as good as Postini was. But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the customer's communications. Tucows doesn't. About how much is Tucows per box? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was free :-) , but it sure is sweet Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy... We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem.. On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote: We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us. Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a month per sub, but they have really nice webmail. YMMV, GL Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting We are using tucows/opensrs. The antispam isn't as good as Postini was. But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the customer's communications. Tucows doesn't. About how much is Tucows per box? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman
All right Patrick - I resemble that :-) And I am bigger around than ever Walter. Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Geez, don't use a subject like that. Makes me think that I'm going to read something bad. Patrick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Walter W Stumpf Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:27 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Mac, are you still around? Walter/NJ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2701 - Release Date: 03/02/10 01:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
All I can say is guys like you (Cameron) that donate their time and effort and have the ability to do this - -well - - are just fine folks. I wish I had a little Geek in me, but I am full blooded redneck :-) I can't even code a combination lock, but if you ever get this way I can surely make you a gumbo or jambalaya that is fittin for a King or grill you some Redfish that you'll never forget. Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:13 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level OK, so I got distracted by my business today and won't have this ready until Monday or Tuesday. However, it will do a lot. It will take an input file of csv format, and not only will it return the properly formatted file for the 477 form, but it will show you all your customers on a map with the census tracts overlaid so you can visually verify. I'll keep the list updated as to the progress. Cameron On 2/19/2010 1:15 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: I have this app done and am wrapping up the front end to allow anyone to upload a csv file with a list of addresses that will be geocoded and then referenced to a tract. Output will be a csv file so you can do what you like with it. I should have it up on our site by the end of the day and will keep you all posted. Cameron On 2/19/2010 10:46 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Here is the list of state FIPS codes needed: 01 Alabama 02 Alaska 04 Arizona 05 Arkansas 06 California 08 Colorado 09 Connecticut 10 Delaware 11 District of Columbia 12 Florida 13 Georgia 15 Hawaii 16 Idaho 17 Illinois 18 Indiana 19 Iowa 20 Kansas 21 Kentucky 22 Louisiana 23 Maine 24 Maryland 25 Massachusetts 26 Michigan 27 Minnesota 28 Mississippi 29 Missouri 30 Montana 31 Nebraska 32 Nevada 33 New Hampshire 34 New Jersey 35 New Mexico 36 New York 37 North Carolina 38 North Dakota 39 Ohio 40 Oklahoma 41 Oregon 42 Pennsylvania 44 Rhode Island 45 South Carolina 46 South Dakota 47 Tennessee 48 Texas 49 Utah 50 Vermont 51 Virginia 53 Washington 54 West Virginia 55 Wisconsin 56 Wyoming 72 Puerto Rico Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org]*on Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2010 11:14 AM *To:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] [WISPA] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I have a tool that will take a comma separated file in and return the file needed for Form477. I do not have a web interface or anything for it, yet. The file must be: ID,Latitude,Longitude,upload,download where ID is any identifier you want, upload is the upload speed per the FCC list and download is the download speed per the FCC list. As long as I don't get overwhelmed, I can accept CSV files at WISPAForm477[at]nwwnet.net and email the result back to you. This is not a quick process but for a couple of weeks I will do what I can. In the email you must tell me what state(s) to run the data for. It would be best to give me the census number of the state(s), but I can find it if need be. Scott Reed wrote: Ok, not all, but a lot of what was being complained about. And I agree, an application that would have data ready to submit would be nice. Matt Liotta wrote: Guess it depends on what you mean by it all. What I would create would actually submit the data to the FCC in a format they accept. IMHO, it is not enough to have a customer database with the information the FCC wants. You need to be able to send the data they desire in a format they specify. All of this can be automated. -Matt On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Scott Reed wrote: The USC site the Brian found last night does it all. Submit a database, get back a database with your lat, lon, county fips and tract. Database can be .csv or MS Access, maybe more. Matt Liotta wrote: You raise the money. I'll do the programming. WISPA can keep the money. -Matt On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Mac Dearman wrote: I would be glad to start a $$ pool to have someone develop a tool for WISPA members to get the data we need for the form 477. On second thoughts - - it would be better if we allowed everyone to use it (members and non members) if we could just get them to report! Mac -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
I would be glad to start a $$ pool to have someone develop a tool for WISPA members to get the data we need for the form 477. On second thoughts - - it would be better if we allowed everyone to use it (members and non members) if we could just get them to report! Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:48 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA List'; 'Motorla List Beehive'; 'WISPA Board' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level WISPA will gladly place this on our webpage if we can find someone to help get it in place. Thanks, Rick From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:20 PM To: WISPA List; memb...@wispa. org; Motorla List Beehive; WISPA Board Subject: [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I just found this web page that talks about a free API that could be used on a web page to do address lookup/geocode as well as map to the proper census tract and/or census block. I'm not a programmer but maybe someone on the list could look at this and put together something that could be used. Ideally it would do both single and batch lookups. If there is a way to also standardize the address fields to increase the accuracy that would be a big plus. https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Geocode/WebService/GeocoderWebService.a spx Thank You, Brian Webster No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2691 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2694 - Release Date: 02/17/10 22:30:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data delivery is here to stay.
The truth of the matter is this: We are all selling bandwidth for a living. The more I sale - the more I make. I don't want to short anyone and I like the hogs on my service and cater to these folks since I make more money per month off these folks. If you aren't metering and charging by the gig - - you will miss the boat since you must actually have an all you can eat buffet for $35.00 - - - Good luck! Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased data delivery is here to stay. I've been watching the thread about it with great interest.Partly because I was wondering if anyone was going to try my solution, which is, to attempt to be able to deliver the bandwidth to the people who want to use these, and have them work fine. Please understand, I'm not talking about a prioritizing scheme, which puts video ahead of surfing, etc. I'm just talking about how we're going to keep up with the future... In 2004 when I started, we used between 1 and and 1.5 gigs of data per customer per month. The last time I measured it, which was a year ago, we were up to more than 7. We're thinking about how we're going to meet the demands of the near future... not managing a shortage of bandwidth delivery. I'm nowhere near as leveraged as some of my competitors in terms of oversubscription, but that's not an excuse. I'm thinking of planning on a future delivery of 4 to 6 meg per customer, oversubscribed to around 4 to 6 to one. What is everyone else planning? --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.61/2498 - Release Date: 11/12/09 07:38:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
It could be a nightmare, but with appropriate channels being selected - - it could be ok. IMHO - this is no worse than using multiple radios in a single enclosure in the same frequency. I guess it could be worse if you were using multiple radios in a single enclosure AND using an antenna like this :-) That would be shooting yourself in both feet :-) All that smart ass comment just to admit - - - IMHO you are correct in your assessment of the situation. Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni 2009/10/29 Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com: What about sectorized omni arrays, any of those out there at 5.8? An example would be http://www.netkrom.com/prod_ant_5.1-5.8ghz_vpol_sector_omni.html Just can't find anybody who sells it to get an idea on pricing. I would be very concerned about antenna isolation with that. Using it with a radio that does not support transmit sync would be a nightmare. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.34/2462 - Release Date: 10/29/09 07:38:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Amateur repeater on a wisp tower -- gotchas?
Mike, I have many Rohn 25G, 45 55 towers with HAM operators on every one of them. I appreciate the fact that their gear (antennas) are made to take a lightning strike :-) Their DB222 antennas stuck out the top of my towers give me a false sense of security, but any security is better than none. I have also found that the HAM operators are very professional and generally fine folks. The only interference issues I have ever had is when the RB532 was emitting out of band emissions from the ethernet port in the 140Mhz range and did create a lot of trouble for us and them at all my sites owned and rented. Cover your ass and get a release of liability for those guys to climb your tower!! Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Amateur repeater on a wisp tower -- gotchas? Wispers: I have a 180' tower sitting high on a hill above the county seat. It has a mix of 5.8 and 2.4 radios and sectors/dishes. We want to install an amateur repeater on the tower, initially at 70 cm (440MHz UHF), and eventually a 2 m (144MHz VHF) radio. The dual band antenna feed point will be at 120'. It is 17' long. There is no microwave equipment below 160'. I don't think there will be any issues with interference either way, but thought I'd tap into the wealth of knowledge here to see if any of you has any experience doing anything like this on your towers. Is there any mixing at uhf (or VHF) going on in the microwave radio cards? I can't find specs that even speak of intermediate frequencies. Gotchas? Hints? Comments? Thanks! Mike G At 06:38 PM 10/26/2009, you wrote: My 24 hours is expiring and I don't want to pull this unit down. Mikrotik's site wants me to authorize my credit card, a process I've begun but my credit card company won't post the transaction for a few days. Can anyone sell me a level 4 license for an x86 machine now? Thanks! Greg -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.34/2462 - Release Date: 10/27/09 07:38:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] exp wireless tech/installer needed
Hey gang, I am in need of an experienced installer/ subscriber trouble shooter. He would also hold responsibilities of small network repair on our wireless network (replacing switches/power supplies..etc) as the need arises. Other duties would include some light climbing to replace/test (grain legs...etc) wireless gear as well as install wireless gear at new locations. Any additional network experience would be a plus and experience with network troubleshooting in a Windows 2003/2007 NT commercial environment would be outstanding as would be Mikrotik fluency. Pay would be negotiable with experience and attitude. Please contact me off list at mdear...@inetsouth.com Thanks, Mac Dearman CEO Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.728.8642 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Problem - 900Mhz-WDS-incremental speed degradetpZero then drop- repeat.
Tom, Be sure to upgrade the bios firmware as well when you go to 3.28 You can upgrade the firmware with no loss of config, but to upgrade the bios you have to be in the CLI. System routerboard print (shows you the version you are running with upgrade available) Then type system routerboard upgrade and then reboot We have been experiencing a few odd issues as well. Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Problem - 900Mhz-WDS-incremental speed degradetpZero then drop- repeat. PAul, I'll try updating the firmware, that makes sense to try. Upgrading from 3.10 to 3.28, is it likely that I can do that remotely without my client configuration getting lost in the process? (I know how to upgrade packages, I just didn't know if config files are consistent through all the V3.X revs) Tom, We replaced both XR900s on both sides of link. So its not a bad radio card. We did not replace the RB 411, yet. Its also the first time we used a 411 w/ 900Mhz card, so we dont have a track record for knowing compatibilty, yet. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Problem - 900Mhz-WDS-incremental speed degradetpZero then drop- repeat. Maybe just bad hardware at Subscriber B? Last week we had an XR-9 ptp link in Houston that behaved somewhat similarly, great speed in one direction, but next to nothing in the other. Shotgunning the radio motherboard (an Alix) fixed it. Haven't gotten it back yet so don't know which went bad. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Problem - 900Mhz-WDS-incremental speed degrade tpZero then drop- repeat. I have a problem with Mikrotik I have not been able to solve. Wondering if anyone has any insight. A summary config is I have a 433AH setup as AP with 1 XR900 and 1 R5H (5.8Ghz). The Cat5 Ethernet port goes to a SMC VLAN switch, where the SMC tags and untags VLAN ID, and continues to the Backhaul Radio. My point here is the MT itself does not have any VLAN configured. I need everything to act as a True Bridge, so I'm using WDS on everything. Both mPCI cards are set up as AP and then WDS interfaces configured. The R5H sector has one subscriber, so there is one WDS interface created for that. The XR900 has two subscriber points. So there are two WDS interfaces set up for the XR900 sector, one for each subscriber. So all three WDS interaces and the Ethernet (to backhaul) are all bridged togeather under one Bridge. SubscriberA has a 433AH also, and actually is a repeater site. So it has two mPCI each configured for WDS, and then the WDS ports bridged togeather. The primary mPCI that connects to the above first AP, is set for WDS Slave. This subscriberA (repeater radio) works normally. I can run MT bandwdith test continually at consistent speed. As well, the subscriber for the R5H sector above also is set up for WDS Salve, and works properly, and tests consistently with Bandwdith test. SubscriberB for 900Mhz sector is the problem. It is a RB411 w/ a 24V-1A PS, w/ XR900. Originally it was set for WDS Slave also. It is now set for WDS Station, and performs the same as if WDS Slave. When running MT Bandwdith test both UDP or TCP, Sitting at the 433AH AP's winbox, I get the following results TXing it works perfectly and consistently. But if doing a receive test It starts out at about 800 kbps, then slowly reduces speed incrementally, down to 500 kbps, to 300kbps, to 100kbps, etc, down to Zero. When it reaches Zero mbps, the radio link disconnects, and immediately restarts itself. Speed starts back up at 800 kbps or so, and the same thing repeats. If doing Bi-directional tests of course the same thing applies, because it receives also. Noise is low at teh SU, about -67, and -74 at AP. At first I thought it was noise at the IP, because occastionally SNR gets very low. .But SubscriberA has a lower signal at -84 and does not experience the same problem. Just for grins, I tried playing around with TRansmit power at the SubscriberB, but that had no positive effect. As well, as a test, I disabled the second WDS interface to SubscriberA, and no change. To be clear... SubscriberA and SubscriberB each have their own WDS interface configured on WLAN1 of the 433AH AP. I am using embedded MTOS V 3.10 on each. What is
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
This generally happens on the lower portion (or section) of the tower and is caused by freezing water inside the tower leg. Make sure there are weep holes on each leg at the base and that they aren't stopped up with rust. You would be better off to place a water pipe clamp (http://www.plumbingsupply.com/pipe-repair.html) over the entire fracture than to hire a welder. Mac From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? Get a proff. welder out there. He should be able to fix it. Randy Cosby wrote: http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=142 0 g2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=141 8 g2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/27/09 18:21:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water tower question
I forgot to add something VERY important - - The less you have touching anything of theirs the better off you will be in the future when it comes time for them to sandblast and paint!! Put your sectors standing off the handrails as far as possible using DB clamps and run your own conduit to attach your CAT5 to!! Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:13 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Water tower question We've gotten access to two water towers that are what I call bubble towers. An example is here: http://www.watertowers.com/photos_314_Arboretum_Water_Tower.html Obviously we'll have to sector around it, etc etc, not worried about that. Question is, for anyone who has mounted on a tower like this, how do you get your cabling to the ground? Do you go down the legs or is there some other way to do it? Only way we've come up with is to either rappel down or talk the fire dept into helping with their ladder truck and bring the cables down one of the legs. Neither option is very attractive. Is there some other way to get the cabling down the tower? Thanks! --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/19/09 06:21:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Thanks all!
OK guys - - - anyone have a picture of me having sex??? :-) Seems that everything good is bad for your health and all that is bad (tastes bad) is good for you. Jim - that's the first fried food I've seen in 3 weeks (in that picture you attached) and it makes me hungry ;-) Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:35 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thanks all! Too true! Of course the left hand part of this photo is probably not too healthy either! Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thanks all! Mac, Smoking is bad but it isn't the only thing you need to change. The attached picture shows another problem;-) Jim John Scrivner wrote: Glad to hear there was no damage! Awesome news! As for the quite smoking incentive, I hope it doesn't take that much for some others (me included). I just have to quit liking it. :-( I have to give credit where credit is due. I smoked from age 16 for at least 20 years. I must have tried unsuccessfully to quit smoking 20 times until I finally gave it to God and told him he would have to take that one. You have to be careful what you pray for though. So I asked God to take the smokes away and help me not like them any longer but asked if he could do it with something a little less severe than cancer. The next day when I got out of bed I could no longer be around smoke at all. The smell made me sick to my stomach and I would have sinus and breathing issues even being around the smoke. I never smoked again and to this day have no cravings. For any of you who smoke you know that is miraculous. That was a few years back. Those of you that know me well know I am the farthest thing from a model Christian. I guess my point is that this had to work really good for me to make these statements. If any of you want to quit then hit me offlist and we can talk more. Mac, we are glad you are well brother! (Physically anyway...the jury is still out on your mental status!) Cheers, Scriv - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1917 - Release Date: 1/26/2009 6:37 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Thanks all!
Hey gang, Today is my first day back at work since the heart attack. I wanted to send out a THANKS for the thoughts, cards, flowers and prayers. I really appreciate all of you more than you know. It seems that I am going to be better than ever now that I have two stints and a balloon in the arteries of my heart J I was glad to get the report of zero damage to my ole' ticker from the heart attack and I am also glad to report that I am now a reformed smoker. There is something about this new incentive called life that has made quitting smoking after 36 years - - a lot easier. Thanks again crew - - y'all are a great group to be associated with! Sincerely, Mac Dearman WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What happened to my RooTenna?
Mike, Looks like that thing gave birth to an alien!! - hehehe (been watching SciFi) Where do you get those little plastic standoffs that hold your MB off the aluminum backing plate? That looks nice! Later, Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] What happened to my RooTenna? http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=56132l=8ad46id=517748044 I'll post a couple more pictures once I get them from the customer, but I went over to look at their CPE today because their service was down. It looks like someone ran it over with a Mack truck, only it is on a roof of a large building (used to be indoor RC race track). How the heck could this have happened? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count for a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated in the survey that I am not aware of. Cool survey THANKS!! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls Got tired of adding it up each time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks What does that statement exactly mean? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcosm Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Mac, Since this industry has really started to mature, I would not be surprised if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While the makeup of the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are certainly plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report done in California http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf about the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state broadband task force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty good job of documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one entity can do to document all the private business. I worked with one client to compare their results to what they knew as local market reality and it was pretty close. Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying equipment that we know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could survive on just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new products also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of or else they would not still put RD efforts in to something they don't think they could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this industry is much bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the mapping initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count for a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated in the survey that I am not aware of. Cool survey THANKS!! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls Got tired of adding it up each time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Book1.xls
See in line comments for my sanities sake :) -Original Message- Behalf Of Chuck McCown Some use multiple technologies mixed. 34 use canopy. I have sent the detail. Looks believable to me. [Mac says] I to use mixed technologies and the numbers just took me by surprise. I was not looking to see an average sub count anywhere near that number per WISP. It makes me smile all over to see this kind of numbers associated with that many WISPs. It reassures me that we (the wireless industry) is healthy and moving ahead in the world. I guess the is the problem, I state a metric, like Mot reports having half the market. So someone says they are full of crap and that nobody can believe something like that. (Part of being an evangelist for a choice is to reject, discredit or suppress information that holds the alternates in a good light). [Mac says] I agree with that comment 100%. I think it called human nature when we defend what we believe in and I believe (part of the time) that what I am doing is the absolute right thing and I will stand up for it :) So I do a very off-the-cuff non scientific study trusting that folks will be honest. [Mac says] Well - as I stated earlier - THANKS for the survey. I would like to see a larger sampling though and let it run longer just to see how many subs we (WISPs) actually have onboard. If we all stand together - united - we can accomplish a lot of good for the industry. This TVWS that we (WISPA) is currently working on didn't become a reality for all of us due to WISPAs just sitting back and not speaking up! We need numbers even if it is an honest off the cuff survey. You did good Chuck! One question for you Mac: Are you saying everyone is equally stretching the truth? Are Canopy users less honest than Trango or MT users? I would presume that the MT or Trango would be the ones stretching the truth... grin [Mac says] Well - - I wouldn't tend to think that the Moto guys are any less truthful than the rest of the guys :) unless the Rf from the Moto gear has done something to your brains :) I guess I was taken by surprise by the averages of all. If anyone took offense - I apologize because that was not my intent. If those are honestly truthful (or even close) numbers - - this industry and the amount of subs we serve collectively is very large - - - makes me smile!! How far do you reckon that folks have stretched their numbers? I'll be happy to put my name by my number. Personally, I think everyone at WISPA is honest and we have a very honest sampling. I was only testing the hypothesis that Canopy represents about half the WISP market. Or really, more formally I was attempting to prove the null hypothesis that all manufacturers are equally likely to be supplying the market. I have not proved the null hypothesis. Actually, I think it is rejected. [Mac says] I don't know anyone in Louisiana utilizing Canopy today. I am sure there are some operators somewhere here that do - I just don't know where they are. You know that my going Motorola is one of the two choices (the other being go WiMAX)I will make in the next week. We can get into confidence intervals and margin of errors (which would probably be about 12% for a survey like this) and ANOVA and Chi and a bunch of other stuff I have suppressed in a dusty corner of my noggin, but really, I was just looking for a general feel. [Mac says] I think it was a great idea and needs to be duplicated on all the lists. I know Brian Webster has been talking about trying to get some of this data together along with the demographics of the areas we serve. I think it would be a great idea as well as very helpful when we visit the FCC! Mac - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Book1.xls Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count for a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated in the survey that I am not aware of. Cool survey THANKS!! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls Got tired of adding it up each time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
It absolutely does bring clarification :) There is an old saying that seems appropriate: You can never please all the people all the time, but you can please most of the people most of the time. It's been my experience that where there is more than one person to be represented - - there are at least as many ideas as people. There is never just one person right, but many are right at the same time, but they have different ways of going about explaining themselves or getting their idea to effective words. I would never say that WISPA is representing every WISP, but with or without each and every one of your memberships - we are representing the industry and being heard as so. If there are any of you out there that aren't a member of WISPA already- whatcha waiting for? :) In numbers there is strength and power. WISPA needs you, your number and your input to help guide this industry. Sincerely, Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls A bastardization of the last definition :-) I don't think these lists represent the whole industry, just a part of it. I think many of the opinions expressed on this list (including mine) might not represent what the collective opinion of the industry might be. Basically this... things I hear from our customers and things I hear from this list can often times be two separate realities. Neither is wrong, but one doesn't necessarily represent the other. Does that clarify some? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks What does that statement exactly mean? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcosm Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Mac, Since this industry has really started to mature, I would not be surprised if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While the makeup of the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are certainly plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report done in California http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf about the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state broadband task force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty good job of documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one entity can do to document all the private business. I worked with one client to compare their results to what they knew as local market reality and it was pretty close. Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying equipment that we know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could survive on just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new products also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of or else they would not still put RD efforts in to something they don't think they could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this industry is much bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the mapping initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27
Re: [WISPA] Mikoritk Site Hacked?
Looks like they have been hacked - this is what I see: Tuncis lives here... Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikoritk Site Hacked? Here is my route to www.routerboard.com (CNAME to routerboard.com) routerboard.com [207.141.27.145] local ISP snip 722 ms16 ms17 ms xe-10-0-0.bar1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net [ 4.78.216. 9] 836 ms20 ms33 ms ae-10-10.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net [ 4.69.136.214] 940 ms21 ms22 ms ae-24-52.car4.Chicago1.Level3.net [ 4.68.101.40] 1028 ms28 ms21 ms 192.205.33.185 1188 ms86 ms87 ms tbr2.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.6.70] 1291 ms87 ms86 ms cr2.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.122.17.205] 1395 ms92 ms89 ms cr2.st6wa.ip.att.net [12.122.31.130] 1493 ms89 ms88 ms tbr2.st6wa.ip.att.net [12.122.23.230] 1588 ms86 ms86 ms 12.127.6.29 1697 ms95 ms94 ms 12.127.79.10 17 100 ms94 ms94 ms vlan5.minnow.fsr.net [64.126.130.10] 18 101 ms95 ms95 ms 207.141.27.145 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.netwrote: I am having connectivity issues with Mikrotik's site. I haven't looked into what, why, or how. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mikoritk Site Hacked? www.routerboard.com Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 9:57 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Article
Why don't y'all put the correct SUBJECT line (BS) in place on this piece of $*it thread or take it off list? All of you ought to be ashamed for feeding trolls - - hehehehehe banging head on desk rapidly and repeatedly Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article Mark, I would like you to further elaborate on the following comment for those who don't remember or those who were not on the list at the time. Please include the specific examples of this accusation so this person can defend what they said in context. If that person is me, then I will clarify my position to the best of my ability. I'm just recalling a specific thread on this list that's now 2 or 3 years old, about how this industry will be much better and more representable in Washington when it is mature and not a whole lot of smaller players. Someone who is influential in WISPA was the source of this attitude, too. This particular person seemed to be embarrassed to consider representing this industry as having mom and pop type members. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA. When I think WISPA has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll financially support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, that we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot When did this ever happen? It did. Long ago. I supported WISPA until someone spilled the beans. There are some regulations that are good for WISPs. Just ONE HUGE example are the regulations that govern the FREE use of spectrum under the Part-15 rules. It's funny that I've never heard you go off the deep end about THOSE regulations. Either way, that is one example of a good regulation. Hmmm... Allowing the people to use a public commodity. Wow. I feel so privileged. NOT! No, the knotheads in DC OWE US THE USE OF IT. Wow, what a strange concept. When did we forget, we're the boss and the owners, they're the designated stewards? In terms of specific impact that WISPA has had that benefits ALL wisp operators (even those like you that don't like regulation) there are 2 MAJOR examples that I will suggest. You are probably the only one in the room who will not like them, but then I suspect you are often in that situation. The first example is the most recent HUGE WIN for WISPs in the TVWS debates. I don't know if you noticed, but in the RO, do a search for WISPA and then do a search for GOOGLE. You'll quickly see that just based on the number of mentions that WISPA had a HUGE impact on the ruling. That spectrum is free for you to use UNLICENSED (NOT UNREGULATED), even if you don't support WISPA. Another example is CALEA. I know that in YOUR world, CALEA isn't something that you have to comply with, but the rest of us that live in a world shared by ~300Million other Americans, we DO have to comply. WISPA could have gone to DC and said this isn't fair, but it would NOT have changed the law. Moving beyond that, we have developed a REAL solution that is very affordable for ANYONE to follow. There is currently no software supporting it, but that is under development and will surface in the near future. Wow. Effective and reasonable ideas could have been dreamed up and proposed and made into law by now. But nope, we're still determined that pounding a square peg into a round hole just has to be. One of the reasons WISPA doesn't take the approaches you suggest is that your ideas are SO far out of line with reality that there is no way to meet you on common ground. Perhaps the muddy frogs can, but real people cannot. Why, Thanks Butch. I feel ever so much better now. When the attitude that consolidation and shaking out the smaller players is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It may not be What's bad about building and selling? You don't like money either? Hmmm... words have a specific meaning, I said precisely what I meant. When the attitude that the smaller players need to go away is shaken out of WISPA, that will be a good thing. Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and mom and pop are the backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
I wouldn't mind living in Idaho if it were next to Louisiana :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range Most impressive, thanks for sharing the info. Must be nice to be in Idaho =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad how about my latest one? 32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows 99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup link as well. ;) Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: Ha! You just love rub'n that in don'tcha Travis! lol Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1 mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Next step in the bit torrent arms race
Chuck, Whatcha think of packet limiting? :) It works eh? Saves my hind end daily!! I have found that these MikroCore routers do a great job as well - - same philosophy - - different hardware. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Next step in the bit torrent arms race Mr. Imagestream, Mr. MAC, good place for a packet control add... It works! Even on udp! Packets is packets. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Auer Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Next step in the bit torrent arms race Upset about Bell Canada's system for allocating bandwidth fairly among internet users, the developers of the uTorrent P2P application have decided to make the UDP protocol the default transport protocol for file transfers. BitTorrent implementations have long used UDP to exchange tracker information the addresses of the computers where files could be found but the new release uses it in preference to TCP for the actual transfer of files. The implications of this change are enormous. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/01/richard_bennett_utorrent_udp/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] free video conferencing
I thought I would drop a line here and pass on a site that seemed really cool. It is free for up to three to video conference and I guess always free for individuals to video chat - like Instant Messengers. www.oovoo.com Mac Dearman CEO Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com http://www.inetsouth.com/ Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.728.8642 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
I dont think that there is a PTMP wireless platform available to anyone that will support multi users streaming 2Mbps+ off of a single AP. If this is available I would like to know whose gear it is and what bank is going to lend the money to revamp an entire network. We have always had a bandwidth cap and have always explained to our subs (before installation) the cap and give examples of the caps in writing as well as in our TOS AUP. I also explain that we are in the business to sale bandwidth and that we do not intend to punish anyone for going over the allotted BW, but that they should be prepared to pay for what they use since this is not an all you can eat buffet for $50.00 If you - as an internet service provider do not have a cap in place and are selling unlimited BW at a fixed price I fear you are about to be tested beyond belief. The price of the actual bandwidth is not the problem - - its the price of the pipe between towers and the actual ability of the AP on the towers. My wife and I watched 5 Netflix movies over the weekend via internet streaming. We used 13Gigs of bandwidth and it does use a sustained download from the AP of between 1.6 2.5Mbps as well as around 160pps total. This is going to be a huge problem for all of us - - especially for rural providers like myself that have so many 802.11b access points deployed!! Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink on this AP... that would mean 5 customers per AP (@ 2Mbps each). Nobody in this market can survive on those ratios. This service needs capped and people that want it can pay for video streaming which is $100/month extra... that would be my vote. Travis Microserv Drew Lentz wrote: In areas like yours, though, some would argue that is the perfect place for some type of licensed LTE/WiMAX type of service. Even with a Canopy type service it would beat down the doors of the telco offering only 3Mbps of service. As more and more devices have bandwidth requirements, the service providers will fall into line, I believe. Everyone has always pushed for more bandwidth, but it as always come from the customers as opposed to the devices. It seems like now, the device requirements will leave the customer with no choice and force them into a decision of higher consumption. As far as furthering the digital divide, I don't think it will hurt it all that bad. On the contrary what would be nice to see is the communications mediums becoming less expensive because of the amount of services required. Just like the price of bandwidth has changed over the years, I think it will continue to drop. I would love to see some research data on the cost per MB over the last 10 years and see what the trend is like. That combined with less expensive and functional equipment (UBNT's Bullet, the introduction of Mikrotik years ago, for examples) gives operators the ability to put more bandwidth than before in users hands at a fraction of the cost. I think more than anything it will come down to a backhaul battle. Fiber to the node, fiber to the AP, high capacity microwave links (Bridgewave, Dragonwave, Ceragon, etc) These are all going to be critically important to aggregate and transport these huge amounts of data. On 11/24/08 1:06 AM, Scottie Arnett mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will further the digital divide. Rural remote locations will be again left in the boon docks. Where I live, 3 meg DSL is the fastest available connection at $75/mth. Cheapest T1 here is over $600/mth, and fiber? forget it, can't get it unless you want to build about 4 towers just to backhaul, or pay $1200/mth for each cell tower to put them on. Why should the small ISP's foot the bill for Netflix and these companies that are making million's of dollars more than we are? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:41:41 -0600 I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level is, to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its time to change the model. This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The networks that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last year. Look
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition..... FACT or FICTION?
All of our local TV stations (3, 8,10,11,12 14) have all completed their transition to DTV. They are still broadcasting analog as well and will continue to do so until the deadline. Those who have not completed their transition by the deadline Feb 17, 2009 will possibly face a huge fine from what I have read. http://www.dtv.gov/ Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DTV transition. FACT or FICTION? I was talking to one of the tv stations engineers out here on the coast. He has a translator here. I asked him how soon would we be seeing the DTV conversion. His answer is, not any time soon and we must have mis understood the situation. Translators are EXEMPT from having to go digital, and to boot, he said, out of 8,000 broadcasters nation wide, only 25% or so HAVE to convert, all the others, on translators, don't have to. Anyone else hear this or know differently? George --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
Joe, Looks like you will have whitespace available - -as I used Brains tool fast like. I will hit you off list with the attachment. THANKS BRIAN! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Am I hearing correctly that this new space can only be utilized in rural areas? Not for Citys like New Orleans? TIA Joe Laura Superior Alarm/Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Ubquity? Some kind of mini-pci card? Charles Wyble wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors. When, how much, and what will you do with it? Indeed! Who would the likely vendors in this space be? Should we put an RFP together and send it around? I sure want answers to your questions as well. Ladies and gents: I haven't read all of the published information yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! Congrats. It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else). Four watts at these frequencies will carry! Yep! --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 5:24 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
I have some Wi-Fi spray I use on client CPE when their signal degrades. Two squirts and their old -87 become a -67 instantly!! It comes in several different colors - - like wifi red, radio white and my favorite of all is 802yellow!! I have several bottles for sale if anyone is interested. :-) Mac (not Dearman) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:00 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DTV transition I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this today and thought I'd pass it along. For Immediate Release Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box. But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older and heavily-used television antenna elements. Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable. Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No... you'd wash and wax it! Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing satisfaction. Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue and bird droppings. When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm). Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 1st, 2009. #--30--# DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc. Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 5:24 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
Steve, You may have already stated this, but what is the RSSI reported in the TRCPQ19? What is the SNR reported at the AP in the MT box? If you are running a XR2 in the MT AP and have a CPQ19 as a CPE and do not have a signal level being reported of at least a -84/-83 in the CPQ - - you may see some strange issues. I have seen many CPQ (when connected to a XR2) whose signal level was at -85 that exhibited weirdness. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues It is on v 3.15 there is no unusual disassociation. The issue is very intermittent and lasts anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 min. These 2 clients are now to the place that they keep a small ping going to my DNS when the pings go out they just wait until they come back. (sad) good thing they are patient. I am not mangling the packets I any way it is a straight through Masqueraded Nat. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Steve Barnes wrote: I have a odd issue(as always). If you are running a RouterOS version 3.15, try upgrading. That has fixed similar situations. If you are able to watch the tower, when this happens, look at the log to see if clients are disconnecting en masse and then almost immediately reconnecting. If so, the upgrade should help. If not, then my question would be how long does this problem last? Are they losing connectivity for seconds or minutes? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1784 - Release Date: 11/12/2008 7:01 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
When you log into the AP that is giving you trouble - - choose wireless tab on left and then double click the radio - run scan and see if its interference with something else on that channel. Tried changing channels?? Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues MT AP side -71 11mb/11mb CCQ=96% Sig to noise=29dB. Tranzeo -70 Noise -102 11Mb Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues Steve, You may have already stated this, but what is the RSSI reported in the TRCPQ19? What is the SNR reported at the AP in the MT box? If you are running a XR2 in the MT AP and have a CPQ19 as a CPE and do not have a signal level being reported of at least a -84/-83 in the CPQ - - you may see some strange issues. I have seen many CPQ (when connected to a XR2) whose signal level was at -85 that exhibited weirdness. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues It is on v 3.15 there is no unusual disassociation. The issue is very intermittent and lasts anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 min. These 2 clients are now to the place that they keep a small ping going to my DNS when the pings go out they just wait until they come back. (sad) good thing they are patient. I am not mangling the packets I any way it is a straight through Masqueraded Nat. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Steve Barnes wrote: I have a odd issue(as always). If you are running a RouterOS version 3.15, try upgrading. That has fixed similar situations. If you are able to watch the tower, when this happens, look at the log to see if clients are disconnecting en masse and then almost immediately reconnecting. If so, the upgrade should help. If not, then my question would be how long does this problem last? Are they losing connectivity for seconds or minutes? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1784 - Release Date: 11/12/2008 7:01 PM --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1784 - Release Date: 11/13
Re: [WISPA] mobile install ideas
Hey folks, I bought a new pickup back in April and have been using a DC power inverter to power a CPE while in the road checking stuff...etc. This is a PITA and it seems that I have 40 patch cables in the floorboard all the time. I would like to see some pics of installs and hardware to do a permanent install on my truck using MT and an antenna. I was thinking about mounting an indoor MT box in my tool box and putting two omni's (5.x 2.4) mounted to the tool box. The idea of two Omnis on a new crew cab 4x4 does not seem overly sexy to me, but may be my only out :) Anyone have a better idea?? Thanks, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MikroTik and UBQ XR3
Randy, Thanks for the link. Turns out we are ok since we leave all our settings at default, but it could have been very important. I wasn't aware of Ubnt doing any testing with MT. That's just good knowledge - thanks. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik and UBQ XR3 Also, when working with UBNT cards and Mikrotik, be sure you are adjusting for correct power settings. See http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/ubi_mtik_power.pdf for a pretty thorough explanation. Randy Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I use the brazil country code. On the main wireless tab under frequency mode make sure that you have selected manual_txpower instead of regulatory domain or it will try to limit your power due to local regulatory laws without you knowing. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:45 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] MikroTik and UBQ XR3 We are testing a 3.65 GHz setup with MT and XR3 using a 11 dBi Omni and 14 dBi panel. My results are not really impressive with signal levels. However, In order to use 3663 MHz you must set the card for 5770 MHz and 5770 MHz is not available unless you purchase a special frequency license for each ap and cpe from MT. However someone on the list pointed out that selecting a different country other than the good old USA would allow you to select the 5770 Mhz frequency. This is true and we used the Germany 5ghz ptp setting for country and we now have the needed 5770 Mhz frequency available for selection. So now I am starting to wonder if this may be the reason we are getting less than anticipated results with signal levels. So now finally the real question I am asking; is there really a difference between purchasing a special frequency license from MT and using the cheat of selecting a different country in order to select 5770 Mhz? Isn't 5770 Mhz still 5770 Mhz no matter what? Thanks, John Buwa Michiana Wireless - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Board] Magid - White Space Battle Intensifies - Wireless ISP Organization Tries for Compromise
Jack FCC Committee, I wanted to thanks all of you for the time each of you have taken, the outstanding work accomplished, the pitching of the LICENSED-LITE idea and the outstanding comment to the FCC. If we (WISPs) wind up with a chunk of this spectrum after 4 long years of comments, stalls and put offs - - - OUR FCC committee WISPA will be recognized as a wireless crew to be reckoned with. This battle for whitespace - - win, lose or draw - - - has been a success for WISPA! Thanks folks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:22 AM To: WISPA Board Members List; WISPA's FCC Committee Subject: [Board] Magid - White Space Battle Intensifies - Wireless ISP Organization Tries for Compromise http://www.magid.com/publications/magid_morning_facts/news_article.asp? articleID=2837 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Read my new EBook-Minimize Your Microwave Energy Exposure from Cellphones http://www.lulu.com/content/4368917 FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Board mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/board No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] reduced signals
Mark, It sounds like water in the coax/jumper or your pigtail (from radio to N fitting) is bad. If you reused the pigtail and it was hit by lightening/static discharge it may be fried as well. I have seen times where they weren't seated well on the radio and cause them to act up too. While you are there - - reseat the radio in the SBC as well. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:28 AM To: Mikrotik discussions; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] reduced signals I have a site running a MT BH and AP. The BH is a RB411/sr5/rootennae and the AP is a RB433/XR2/9db omni w/ v3.10. This setup has been up and running about 6 months. Last Tuesday we had thunder storms run through and I woke uo tp a dead tower. Turned out that the BH power supply died, great, easy fix. Get back to the office and realize not all customers are reconnecting. The send and receive signals are down at least 15db. Replaced radios with no change. Realized that we ended up with two glass tube lightning arresters, one near antennae and the other next to radio. Pulled the one near antennae and everything seemed back to normal. Well Saturday morning I was checking things out and its back to the reduced signals. I am at a loss as to what to do. Since Tuesday we have had clear skys, cool temps at night and lots of dew. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1720 - Release Date: 10/11/2008 3:59 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
I too will have to give props to Deliberant's support. We recently came in to several areas where a company had folded up shop after their USDA grant money ran out. They had 90% Deliberant gear and we were trying to re-use the customers current radios so there wouldn't be such an expense on these folks who were left holding the bag and no internet service available to them. To make a long story short - - Sharon (our Secretary, accountant, receptionist, install scheduler, tech support person, payroll dept, accounts receivable dept and mother of all my children) called Deliberant (specifically Caleb) who so graciously sent firmware and led het through the process of being able to reuse their radios. It goes a long way to these country folks who were already overcharged for these radios to NOT have to buy a new CPE or pay a large install fee when they have already been down that road. The former company had given wireless a black eye in these towns and Deliberants support helped the recover the wireless name when we were able to get them all back on line for a minimal $$ to the end user. Thanks Caleb!! Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave I knew Caleb was lurking around here somewhere. I have been buying equipment from Caleb (Deliberant) for a number of years. I have always been able to call him when I have an issue with a radio. If I leave a messege on his voice mail, he always calls me back. Even if it is after his business hours, I have gotten returned calls from Caleb. I have stayed with this company because of this. I haven't found any company that has better customer service than Deliberant/Ligowave. I have bought equipment from other companies, but it takes days for resolving an issue with the equipment. I do not have the time or patience for slow technical support. Or find out that I have to go further up the totum pole to get the next tier support. With Caleb...the buck stops with him. Disclaimer: I have not been paid for these statements. I am not telling you anything you do not already know if you have any history with this company. DSLbyAir, LLC --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Caleb Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Caleb Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Deliberant Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 6:30 PM Hey Marlon, I wanted to reply to this to you and on the lists to answer your questions and make some things clearer, as there are some points of confusion that can definitely be cleared up (now and going forward) on our part. Deliberant and Ligowave are sister companies. Originally our new CPE offerings were going to be launched on the Ligowave side of the house, but we decided to move all of the standards (802.11) stuff to Deliberant and focus Ligowave on the proprietary (PTP, PTMP, Mesh) solutions. The first round of gear shipped with the Ligowave FCC stickers as the updated Deliberant ones were not available yet, hence the different stickers. Everything now has Deliberant stickers on them. VPOL is with the cat5 connector pointing down, you are correct. HPOL is with the cat5 connector to the side (rotated 90*). Confusing, yes, and the stickers should be here soon. We do need to add the instructions for the cat5 connector and the support number to the quick start guide. The first one is always the trickiest! The support number is the main number at 800-742-9865, and it is open 9-5 Eastern. My direct extension is in my signature. We are completely overhauling the GUI with a Flex backend that is much faster. We have a beta available, so contact me offlist if you are interested. RSSI value listed on the Status page is basically the difference between received signal and the noise floor. So if you have an RSSI value of 40, there is 40dB between the noise floor and what you are receiving. We have plans to add the actual received level (in dB) to the Status page soon, and until then if you do a Site Survey on the Tools page you can see the levels there as well. Bridge mode should work, but I have some ideas. Shoot me your IP info offlist (radio, gateway, rest of the local network segment, etc) and we can troubleshoot. When you enable Router mode, a Firewall tab should appear that will allow you to port forward. Any other questions, please feel free to ping me offlist or give me a ring at my number and extension in my signature. We appreciate the feedback and look forward to your (and everyone else's) assistance in improving our products. Thanks, Caleb === Caleb Knauer Deliberant
Re: [WISPA] Rackmount PoE
Harnish, You are a good guy, smart and all, but you have some really great help!! :-) Send us a recipe for that POE set up - - please?? ;-) BTW - that looks like a class act POE setup. Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:30 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rackmount PoE Something like the picture attached? Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rackmount PoE Mike Hammett wrote: Does anyone have any recommendations for rackmounted PoE injectors? I was looking at a Panduit PoE injecting 24 port patch panel, but I imagine that'll cost an arm and a leg. I'm not sure how many I'll need, but I'm guessing around 30. Good question. I'm looking for something along those lines, as well. Up to this point, I've just used loose ones that I've nailed to the wall. Tacky, I know, but pretty much all I had to work with. (Mike, please let me know if you find anything that works for you) --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:01 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance
My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider
Josh, Try these folks;http://www.aretta.com/ I have no personal experience with them, but have several WISP buddies who proclaim they are great. You will have options with them. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Rowe Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] VOIP Provider It seems to me that there was another, or maybe several other, VOIP providers mentioned in a previous post that offers reseller packages but does not require the $2500 initial deposit that VOX requires but offered similar services. Would someone please help jog my mind? Thanks! Josh Rowe -- NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1651 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:57 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Golly Gustav
out of harms way. There is no reason why we should have any loss of life. They know a storm is approaching. I will keep this list updated on how things are progressing on the MS gulf coast. Best Regards and God Speed, DSLbyAir --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 6:02 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas?
Brian, It is my opinion that once the internal components of the antenna dry thoroughly - - you can seal them and put them back into service. It will depend on how long they were exposed to the water and the amount of corrosion that may/may not be present as to whether they are actually usable or suitable for service. I personally haven't ever been able to put one back into service since they were exposed to water for long periods before they actually died or got so bad that I noticed a signal level drop on the AP. YMMV, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:57 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HP Buys Colubris
Is this not our old friend Demetrius (Big D) Sirdopolis's (sp?) company?? Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] HP Buys Colubris Cisco has bought numerous wireless companies over the years. Now HP is buying one, too. jack http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/30929 http://www.crn.com/networking/210001940 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme
Chuck, That was neither neighborly nor a nice comment to make from one vendor to another. If you have a question - I am sure John would be glad to reply, but that bad tasting comment is not appreciated by anyone who would bother to read your posts. Please try to use a little more tact when commenting on list. Thanks, Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme But no plans to upgrade firmware. Sounds dead in the water to me. Especially after two failed releases of the new PtMP gear. We're still in the PtMP business. It's just that we don't have any new PtMP products to release. M5830, M5580. M900, M2400 are still alive and well. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 6:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Did I miss some sort of announcement from Trango about not being in the PtMP business any longer? Can you elaborate? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme They have worked with Trango in the past. You'd think they'd license Trango's polling scheme since Trango is no longer in the PtMP business. I contacted MT support, since I've had this issue. In our dialog, they said they are working on something, but it's too soon to tell when it'll be done, if at all possible. I soon will be evaluating other options. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Hi, For anyone that would like to see the Mikrotik Nstreme protocol re-designed to support more than 30 clients (their new recommendation), and have lower, consistent latency, please email them directly and let them know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). They claim they are listening to customer requests and will work on a solution if they get enough requests to fix it. Please also CC: me on the email so I can have an idea of how many people are interested. thanks, Travis Microserv - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme
Chuck and gang, I apologize for my last post (especially to you Chuck) since that was supposed to have been off list. It was my bad and I sincerely apologize to all! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Chuck, That was neither neighborly nor a nice comment to make from one vendor to another. If you have a question - I am sure John would be glad to reply, but that bad tasting comment is not appreciated by anyone who would bother to read your posts. Please try to use a little more tact when commenting on list. Thanks, Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme But no plans to upgrade firmware. Sounds dead in the water to me. Especially after two failed releases of the new PtMP gear. We're still in the PtMP business. It's just that we don't have any new PtMP products to release. M5830, M5580. M900, M2400 are still alive and well. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 6:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Did I miss some sort of announcement from Trango about not being in the PtMP business any longer? Can you elaborate? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme They have worked with Trango in the past. You'd think they'd license Trango's polling scheme since Trango is no longer in the PtMP business. I contacted MT support, since I've had this issue. In our dialog, they said they are working on something, but it's too soon to tell when it'll be done, if at all possible. I soon will be evaluating other options. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Hi, For anyone that would like to see the Mikrotik Nstreme protocol re-designed to support more than 30 clients (their new recommendation), and have lower, consistent latency, please email them directly and let them know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). They claim they are listening to customer requests and will work on a solution if they get enough requests to fix it. Please also CC: me on the email so I can have an idea of how many people are interested. thanks, Travis Microserv --- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme
I may have gotten my Chucks mixed up :-) Who is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Which Chuck are you addressing here? - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Chuck, That was neither neighborly nor a nice comment to make from one vendor to another. If you have a question - I am sure John would be glad to reply, but that bad tasting comment is not appreciated by anyone who would bother to read your posts. Please try to use a little more tact when commenting on list. Thanks, Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme But no plans to upgrade firmware. Sounds dead in the water to me. Especially after two failed releases of the new PtMP gear. We're still in the PtMP business. It's just that we don't have any new PtMP products to release. M5830, M5580. M900, M2400 are still alive and well. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 6:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Did I miss some sort of announcement from Trango about not being in the PtMP business any longer? Can you elaborate? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme They have worked with Trango in the past. You'd think they'd license Trango's polling scheme since Trango is no longer in the PtMP business. I contacted MT support, since I've had this issue. In our dialog, they said they are working on something, but it's too soon to tell when it'll be done, if at all possible. I soon will be evaluating other options. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Hi, For anyone that would like to see the Mikrotik Nstreme protocol re-designed to support more than 30 clients (their new recommendation), and have lower, consistent latency, please email them directly and let them know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). They claim they are listening to customer requests and will work on a solution if they get enough requests to fix it. Please also CC: me on the email so I can have an idea of how many people are interested. thanks, Travis Microserv -- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
If you aren't doing wireless then 40Mbps should be easily achievable. If you don't gets the expected results then kill connection tracking in the firewall and retest. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:33 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps Ok guys. Great feedback on all of this, but back to my original question, what's the max throughput I could expect from a RB532A? If there was an answer my spam filter must have gotten it. NAT'ing going on with 3 desktop systems. Other than that, no queueing, no firewalling, no routing, etc etc. Pretty basic setup. And this is NOT wireless - using it for my in-house router. Sorry, should have clarified that too. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps When it comes to comparing network/embedded CPUs, there is more than just MHz that needs to be considered. Some CPUs have multiple cores, hardware accelerators, etc. For example, we use a Gemini SL3512 CPU in some of our products. Here are some of the accelerators that it has: -Layer2/3/4 hardware switching, routing and NAT with 4 transmit queues per port for QoS support -Layer2-7 packet classification into 16 receive queues -Transmit acceleration by TCP segmentation, IP fragmentation and TCP/IP/UDP checksum calculation -Receive acceleration by TCP connection table lookup, assembly of multiple packets belonging to the same TCP connection and TCP/IP/UDP checksum verification -Hardware Security Acceleration Engine performs DES, 3DES, AES, CCMP and RC4 encryption/decryption with CBC or ECB mode operation; authentication with SHA1, MD5, HMAC-SHA1 and HMAC-MD5 hashing algorithm All of these functions are then offloaded from the main CPU which can perform other functions. Just the first one (hardware NAT accelerator) can increase NAT throughput by an order of magnitude. -Hal Ligowave -Original Message- From: Bo Ring [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:54:00 -0500 Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it has the slowest processor in MHZ? Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series at 200 or 400? They did specify on their report. Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it gets so much better speed at slower Mhz? While I can not speak of it in use between these two routers, there is a reason why it was logical to move to RISC. They are more efficient chips and tend to be even more so when they are used in specific environments. If anyone is a Mac head from way back, you might remember the raw numbers between the 40MHz 68030 and the 25MHz PowerPC when Apple first moved to them. Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 . office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 . tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.11/1554 - Release Date: 7/15/2008 6:03 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] POE
Wayne, They may just have a really good salesman and an uninformed board. Someone is leading that circus and that is where you will find the man behind the curtain who is making the decisions. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:37 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Cameron- First, it is costing us $90,000 for equipment and installation. Second, they just had installed a brand new telephone/intercom system- non VoIP :( Third, I am told the PoE capability is for the 'future' What future is what no one can tell me/explain. Walter In a message dated 7/7/2008 8:20:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Easy really, more and more locations including schools are using VoIP systems for internal phone systems. So opposed to have a power pack for each phone, it is all just provided via the switch. Easier to manage for the sys admin in charge. Also certain PoE switches can power their Remote AP's for the in school wifi. There are a bunch of advantages as far as flexibility and management, but for the most part, not always needed, but hey, it's just your tax money paying for it after allhaha. They are probably saying it's going to cost 50K to cover up other items they are buying, your right, it shouldn't be that much. Keep in mind, when they buy these units, they also list the retail price for the equipment instead of what they actually pay for it most of the time. -Cameron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:30 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] POE Can someone explain why a school would want to pay $1900@ for 25 48- port 10/100/1000 switches with PoE capability for a possible future need versus $500-600 for a plain 48-port 10/100/1000 switch? No one that I can find has a reason except maybe it would be needed in 5 years. Second question, replacing 48 24-port 10/100 switches with the above 48-port ones, can anyone explain why it should cost almost $50,000? I cannot imagine how it would take even 2 days to do, let alone any tests that would be so elaborate and/or expensive. [My geek son and a few of his friends thought it would take them a day at $100@ plus lunch and extra Diet Dr Pepper] Thanks! Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1537 - Release Date: 7/6/2008 5:26 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apology RE: Spam from ligowave?
Thanks for the clarification Ryan Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 5:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Appology RE: Spam from ligowave? My (phone's) email client did not completely download the message I received from them, it cut off the the part that clearly explained where it was from. It was a legit email due to a list I had signed up for. I apologize for the accusation of email harvesting on list. I should have researched it more before sending. Sincerely, Ryan Langseth -Original Message- From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:47 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave? Today i got an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED], i am fairly certain i did not give them my address at any point. I suspect it may have been harvested from the list, has anyone else seen a message from them today? Ryan --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.4/1531 - Release Date: 7/2/2008 7:02 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] help! replacement MT based 5.8G system connects, but no ping!
1. Kill all encryption on both ends, get them to pass traffic and then proceed with enabling encryption. 2. be sure you have WDS in the bridge or have both sides set to dynamic bridge1 (or whatever it is) 3. Be sure of your gateway on both sides (this is generally the easiest to jack up) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] help! replacement MT based 5.8G system connects, but no ping! IP address on singel CM9 radio interface. Just Swapped out the pre configured RB333 system with a clean RB133 and freshly configured to the other AP. Still, it associates with encryption key, but no ping! (hope I still have hair by morning :-) On 7/1/08, Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are the IP addresses on a bridge or an Interface? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] help! replacement MT based 5.8G system connects,but no ping! All, I'm at wits end as my network is crippled and I'm having problems getting the replacement system to talk. Both systems have the correct security key, as they will not register to each other correctly without it. The new system is ros3.9 and it is PTP with another ros2.9.50 system. These two systems connect with 65dbm signal strength but I can't ping from either end. I, of course double/triple checked interface IPs and masks. I have used MT for about a year and a half, without issue, however, I'm probably missing something here as I work with looming customer calls about when will the replacement system be up! Anyway, It would be great to speak to someone with more MT experience than myself on this one! Please hit me off list for details. Thank you kindly, Marshall Craw Rabbit Meadows Tech. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1528 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 7:26 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
Kurt, What firmware are you running? How many emails are you filtering? Have you done a hard reboot on it lately? How many Spam emails are you killing per hour? Per day? (There is a Daily Traffic graph/email that tell you this) I know mine too (Cuda) is sluggish, but it's the amount of incoming spam that is bogging us down. We are getting hammered (and have been for months) by spam in excess of 500,000 per 24 hours. I will agree - Cuda is a PITA and we will begin testing with Jeremy Davis this week. He hosts the backend (web hosting, email, radius, Freeside...etc) for a bunch of other WISPs including SPAM filtering - My fingers are crossed and if you will holler at me off list later this week I will give you a report on how things are going. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com http://www.untangle.com/ it is free to install on any server. I have a Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only got 200 email addresses and its rated for 500. I'm looking for anything this Barracuda junk is not worth the $500 year subscription when you can't even log into it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.2/1523 - Release Date: 6/28/2008 7:00 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Board Member Candidates list
WISPA Members, As Secretary of WISPA I am proud to announce the 12 qualified WISPA members that have applied and met the hurdle criteria for a seat on the Board of Directors. The Board of Directors met this morning and went over each application to ensure that the hurdle criteria had been met according to WISPA Bylaws. The following list contains the qualified WISPA members who are eligible to seek a seat on the 2008 Board of Directors. WISPA BOARD CANDIDATES to be considered: (alphabetical by first name) Dennis Burgess Frank Muto George Rogato Jack Unger Jeff Crews John Scrivner Mac Dearman Matt Larsen Michael Steed Rick Harnish Tom DeReggi Tony Morella My first thoughts are to thank each and every one of these men who filled out an application - - those who met the criteria and deemed eligible as well as those who did not qualify due to not meeting the hurdle criteria for election possibilities this year. If we didn't have these guys - we wouldn't have any options for our future leadership. 7 of the 12 will be elected to a seat on the board. For those of us who may not be (re-elected) elected this time around I would like to thank you for your dedication, decision and willingness to assist in this role. Good Luck to all. A link to the WISPA website with each candidate's application will be posted to list for consideration of your vote as soon as the information is uploaded to the server and made available later today. The election process of WISPA board should be taken to heart and every WISPA member should be sure to cast their vote. Voting dates have been set by the current WISPA board and election will take place June 23 24. More information about voting, how to vote and what to look for via your email address will be posted to this list as the week progresses. Sincerely, Mac Dearman WISPA Secretary WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Quote
Mike asked: How much different performance should I see from a 14 dBi null filled antenna vs. a 16.5 dBi regular antenna? My being the smart a** that I naturally am (and can't seem to help) and would not take this answer to the bank but, the logical answer seems to be 2.5dbi :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:43 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Quote This goes out to the vendors on this list. I'm looking at the following MTI antenna. I would like quotes on these or similar antenna. MT-484032/NH MT-484027/NH How much different performance should I see from a 14 dBi null filled antenna vs. a 16.5 dBi regular antenna? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1485 - Release Date: 6/5/2008 10:07 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants
Jeremy Davis is the Freeside King IMHO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants Does anyone know of third party consultants for freeside, or do that type of work? Contact me offlist, thanks. Ryan -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants
The best thing about Jeremy (like Butch Evans w/MT/ImageStream/Cisco/FreeBSD...etc) is that he can do about anything Linux related and an integration/collaboration Guru with most any application. He is a good guy to boot - - -- unlike Butch Evans ducking darting Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants Agreed He is the best Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC 107 Mc Manus Rd. Rayville, LA 71201 Office 318-303-4725 Cell 317-219-8006 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tell him I sent ya. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:23 AM Subject: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants Does anyone know of third party consultants for freeside, or do that type of work? Contact me offlist, thanks. Ryan -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISPA AWARDS @ISPCON
All right - Someone needs to release a few pictures of the awards being presented from WISPA along with who received the awards, what the awards were for, who presented the awards and a general run down of all things pertinent that took place at ISPCON. Any actions by anyone I know while attending ISPCON that would embarrass that individual - - or good for blackmail at a later date would also be nice to know (hehehe) Anything too juicy for the list can always be sent (along with any pics) to my personal email. I hope all you guys had a great time and it will be a productive outing for WISPA. I sure hate I couldn't attend, but I bet I do a better job of scheduling my calendar next time around! These events are about the only time I can get around to seeing all my colleagues, vendors and members of WISPA that I have yet to have the pleasure of meeting. Its also the only time Jeff Broadwick will buy me a beer! J.C. - - did you buy everyone dinner AGAIN? Later Guys, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 2008 WISPA Board Election Announcement
The 2008 WISPA Board Election schedule has been set by the current Board of Directors. Any and all members who are interested in entering the election process for a seat on the board are encouraged to do so by going to http://nominations.wispa.org/ - make sure that you qualify for the position by checking the hurdle criteria and then fill out the application that is also located by a hyper link at the bottom of the page. We look forward to having a large field of qualified candidates to choose from and encourage all who feel they have something to contribute, a heart for the wireless industry and a desire to step up to the plate to serve this industry to follow through with the completing of the application. We have seen substantial growth in the past year in both principal and vendor memberships and as WISPA continues to grow and mature into what will be the industries finest lobbying association - we look forward to being a loud voice in Washington D.C. for all WISPs. DEADLINES TO BE AWARE OF: June 2, 2008 - Applications are due. June 9, 2008 - Qualified applicants compiled and submitted. Applicant information is made available via the WISPA Web site for member review. June 16, 2008 - Voting begins June 17, 2008 - Voting ends. Standing Board announces election results. All members are eligible to run for a board position. Only Principal and Vendor members are eligible to vote in the election of the BoD. Only one vote per company is allowed and accepted for the BoD election. Instructions and credentials for voting will be sent via WISPA mail server for each Vendor Company and each Principal Member of WISPA. If you are a member/vendor member and do not receive these instructions for voting (as well as credentials) it is your duty to contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call me at 318.728.8600 to request help in getting your instructions and credentials for voting in the BoD election. ROLE OF THE WISPA BoD The Board of Directors set the policies that will ensure the fulfillment of all legal and professional responsibility to its members. The BoD also sets the strategic direction of WISPA and steer it in the direction it deems best to accomplish the tasks and deeds needed for the advancement of the WISP community of which it serves. The WISPA BoD is comprised of 7 WISPA Members. Each of the directors shall serve for a term of one (1) year and until his successor is elected and qualified, or until such directors earlier death, resignation, incapacity to serve or removal. All paid WISPA members are eligible for board positions, however the majority of board seats will be filled by WISPA Principal members as stated in the bylaws located at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4 Sincerely, Mac Dearman WISPA Secretary 318.728.8600 Founding member of WISPA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lease Agreement Templates
What kind of lease agreements are you men looking for? Tower? Roof rights?? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jaron Parsons Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lease Agreement Templates I would also like the lease agreement information. Is there a repository somewhere for this information? Some kind of online source for members to access these kinds of documents and etc. Thank you! - Jaron Parsons Networking Division Manager Sumner Communications 117 W Harvey Wellington, KS 67152 620-326-8989 Office 620-326-5332 Fax On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 08:48 -0400, Steve Nedolast wrote: John, If the lease agreements are still available, I would love to have a copy of them. Thanks, Steve - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Plesk
Freeside!! It is absolutely the greatest thing since sliced bread and the more recent wide mouth beer. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Plesk Hi, We have been running a few plesk hosting servers for the last 3-4 years. About three weeks ago they changed their pricing model from a one-time, up front purchase of their software to a monthly lease. We need to add another server, but are not interested in a lifetime monthly lease option. What is everyone else running for domain hosting boxes that allow the customers full-control of only their domain? thanks, Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sector Placement
Tom, What you are probably seeing is the GPS sync antenna if it's on a cell phone tower. That is what enables them to reuse the same spectrum on all their towers. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sector Placement Related question - I've noticed that many multi-sector cell towers have what looks like a single vertical bar located midway between adjacent sectors. I assume this is some sort of passive tuned element that's been set up to reduce inter-antenna coupling and interference, but I have been unable to find any info on how to design or install these. Anybody out here know? Thanks! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sector Placement Ross, In general, physically separate them as much as possible. You do not want the transmitter signal from one sector to overload the receivers of the other sectors. That is a form of self-interference. If you happen to have a copy of my book handy, you can read more about antenna separation on pages 159 - 165. If you don't have the book, then separate 10 feet vertical as a rule of thumb. Other factors such as the amount of frequency separation and receiver selectivity also play a part but that's more engineering detail than I can address here. But now you know why you should physically separate your antennas. Many people in the past have had to move antennas apart to resolve this issue after they initially installed them to close. jack Ross Cornett wrote: Anyone know for a fact if it is worthy to seperate sector antennas on the same tower. Using 2.4 H Pol 16 db We are readying our 31st tower location and I have been asked why do we seperate the sectors . Besides the reasonable fact that if you place 3 sectors on a 3 sided tower at the exact same height, you will never be able to climb over them or at least with great difficulty. I would like to know first hand examples of anyone having issues or had to move them apart to resolve any issues. I don't like doing things twice... you advise is greatly appreciated... Ross ___ __ Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. ___ __ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Design-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5
We quit buying Shireen cable because of their spools. We finally gave up and re-spooled 5 spools of it onto other empty (comscope) plastic spools. We have also gotten that cable in on wooden spools and they are equally as bad! Poor quality seems to plague that cable company. The wooden spools are held together by 4 long bolts, but the bolts pull through the thin wood sides and the cable will not unspool and if you take it out of the box it is shipped in - - - - it scatters like a covey of Quail! What a nightmare. I think we are going to have to stay with comscope :) till we hear something else :-) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 We have had similar issues but we had about a dozen of them break and still counting. The asked me if we would prefer wooden spool within the box. I told them yes. Something a bit stronger. I don't know about other ISP's, but I know I've been caught in a quick summer rain storm and a heavy snow fall and the boxes get wet. I need to have something a bit more reliable in the future. Other than the current spool/box setup. I've had no complaints about Shireen cable. -Cam I spoke with Shireen (Soe Zarni) about the issue we have been having with the poor quality of their reel boxes. Soe told me that they had a shipment that had been unloaded during a heavy rain and that many of their boxes of cable got wet. Soe felt that this is was the cause of my recent problems with their cable boxes falling apart and wanted an opportunity to send me a good box of cable for me to test out. We found no problems with the last box of cable we ordered from them and am very pleased that this issue appears to simply be due to water damage. We do hope that they recognize this as a potential problem in the future and make changes accordingly, but with their excellent service we have no reason to believe otherwise and will continue purchasing Cat5 cable from them. It's also worth noting that Soe offered us credits/discounts for the trouble. We appreciate Shireen's ongoing excellence in customer service and look forward to doing business with them in the future. It was very clear to me that Shireen was/is serious about their customer's satisfaction. Thank You, Soe!! Chad Halsted Wireless Operations Manager The Computer Works Conway, AR 72032 On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Chad Halsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll check into Belden, thanks. Yeah, I think I'm done with Shireen until they figure out a better design. I'd rather have a simple spool than fight with that crap for one more minute. On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Belden makes good cable too. About $225 for 1000 feet. Yes the Shireen spool boxes are horrible! We are not going to order anymore until they fix this. Cameron Midcoast Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 For those using Shireen cable, do you guys not have problems with the poor quality of their reel/box container? We have had almost every box come apart on us before we get 200' of cable pulled off the reel. The wire is too loosely wrapped which causes the wire to sink down into the lower wraps. It's just been a mess. We pay $175.00 for the Shireen cable and up until lately we had been pleased with it, but now the boxes are so poorly designed we just spend way to much time in the field fighting with it. For those not using Shireen, where do you get a shielded outdoor cable? We haven't had very good success using a non-shielded cable due to all the lightning (inductance) surges. So, we have to use shielded, but not much luck finding a Vendor other than Shireen that carries it for a fair price. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try -www.cablesforless.com-Good Prices and Q -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- -- WISPA
[WISPA] bandwidth needed in Lake Wales Florida
Does anyone have a lead for someone who could provide a PTP link supplying bandwidth into Lake Wales, Florida? Thanks, Mac Dearman CEO Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com http://www.inetsouth.com/ Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.728.8642 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 700 MHz winners list
For those of you interested in seeing the winners of the 700MHz auction 73: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-595A2.pdf Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: Red Work Binder: Emergency use only!
All you guys with fancy spancy binders. I carry a pint of Black label Jack Daniels in my back pocket (feels nice in there) and a tanker for refills in the hotel room! - -- ahhh memories!!! Cliff - you ought to be ashamed making these guys think you actually have a binder like that - -I know where you are from and I know you don't even put your drinks in a brown paper bag (like good Baptist does)(no comments from Harnish or Broadwick), but that you actually drink from the neck!! :-) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: Red Work Binder: Emergency use only! I personally have a purple CR binder.er uh pouch! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony R. Mattke Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: Red Work Binder: Emergency use only! I suggest we test this Red Binder out at ISPCON in Chicago. Who is up to the challenge? Muhahaa, -Tony Cliff LeBoeuf wrote: I have compiled a Master Reference binder. Inside this binder you will find solutions to everyday ISPs problems. If you are having problems with the FCC, difficulty dealing with customers, having billing problems, service problems, or any kind of problem, please come and get the red binder and it will help you through your issue. Use the red binder for all issues...it is guaranteed to make you stress-free and relaxed. - --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Anthony R. Mattke Senior Network Engineer CyberLink International 888.293.3693 x4353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISPCON
I agree with Chuck - - the ability to sit down and converse with others in the industry is worth the $700.00 alone. I learn more from sitting and talking with other operators than anything else. The sharing of ideas (and drinks) of the way others do things has been a great investment of time for us. The class room time is great too and I know we will have some really good sessions at this ISPCON. There are experienced and knowledgeable people slated to speak who I really respect - - I look forward to the trip! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON Brian, I think it is worth every penny to go at least once a year if you count the business ideas and interchange you get when meeting some of your fellow owners, even aside from the value of the educational sessions. There's stuff that gets discussed that just doesn't come up in email, or doesn't come up in the same way in email. It's made more than a $700 difference for me in my business. It's also amazing how nice a lot of these folks are when you get to meet them in person. I think you can just do the show floor (which is free or close to free iirc), but you're likely to miss a lot not being in sessions with most everyone else since many conversations are sparked by the topics at hand or between sessions. But going and missing he sessions is better than not going at all IMHO. Chuck On Mar 6, 2008, at 10:16 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Holy crap! I just went to ispcon.com to check out how much it costs. It's $700. Does that even come close to being worth it? Who is going? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: I've only registered for the exhibit floor, but I'll be there for whatever's free! haha, maybe I'll have money later this year to start getting memberships. There will be two of us. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON Everyone, HYPERLINK http://www.ispcon.com/ISPCON is rapidly approaching even though winter seems to keep coming. WISPA is planning a WISPA Powered track with a full slate of speakers at this event. This is one of two Wireless tracks at ISPCON. WISPA will also be holding our WISPA Reception on May 13th at 6:30 pm. This event will be sponsored by HYPERLINK http:// www.imagestream.com/Imagestream and HYPERLINK http:// www.powercode.com/Powercode. We are also planning a WISPA Jam Session this year and will invite attendees who are musically talented to bring their instruments and play to everyone's enjoyment. This event will be sponsored by HYPERLINK http:// www.mikrotik.com/Mikrotik. Being in Chicago this spring, we expect a very good turnout of vendors and operators. We are planning accordingly as last fall's reception had an overflow of attendance into the hallway. We are asking for a larger room this time to accommodate a larger expected crowd given the more centrally located venue of Chicago. I will be accepting WISPA Shirt orders again this year. I plan on making the order on April 20th and need to have all orders in by April 15th. Please send me your shirt size, color and number of shirts by this date. These will be a nice button down dual blend shirt with the WISPA logo embroidered. I have considered adding ISPCON Chicago 2008 below the logo if enough people desire it, so let me know. Assuming there have been no price increases, I anticipate the cost of the shirts will be $42 picked up at the show or $47 if shipped to your location. We will hold a raffle again this year and I have asked vendors to consider donating door prizes for this event at our reception. We hope many of you will consider attending this spring as we feel you will definitely get your money's worth. I would like to get an idea of how many WISPA readers and members will be in attendance, so please RSVP ASAP so that we can begin to get an idea on the head count planning on attending. Please let me know how many people from your company will be there. Last fall, many vendors donated some very nice door prizes including HYPERLINK http://www.alvarion.com/Alvarion with a Full B100 link listing at $7990. Many thanks to all the vendors who participated last fall and to Patrick Leary and Alvarion for their very nice doorprize. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Vice President WISPA No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1315 - Release Date: 3/6/2008 9:07 AM ---
Re: [WISPA] Mail Server
It makes me smile to see knowledgeable folks helping some of the rest of us out when we get in a bind and aren't sure about something or the other. Thanks to all of you! This is part of what we are about! Salute! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mail Server I'll have to see if my upstream can set the PTR or direct requests to me to specify. Will edit the SPF, thanks. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mail Server Since it will be sending mail, you should also set the PTR record to point to the correct name (although if you have a decent DNS management system, it will do that for you) also add that name to your SPF record if you have one. Ryan - Original Message Follows - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mail Server Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:01:19 -0500 Through help from people on the lists and then further investigation based on those results, here is what I did. 1) I set the office to a statically assigned IP instead of from the pool. 2) I made an A entry on one of my domains aiur.ics-il.net (where aiur is the machine name). 3) I added aiur.ics-il.net directly after 127.0.0.1 in the /etc/hosts file (copied below). 4) I set the from email address (serveremail) in /etc/asterisk/voicemail.conf to something at the domain I created ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). 5) Presto! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# cat /etc/hosts # Do not remove the following line, or various programs # that require network functionality will fail. 127.0.0.1 aiur.ics-il.net Aiur localhost.localdomain localhost ::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6 -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mail Server I need to setup a small mail server on a local network. It only needs SMTP ability as it's just so Asterisk can send out emails. The machine has sendmail installed. My primary mail server seems to be rejecting the messages. Some research says something isn't configured properly. What do I have to do so the outside world accepts emails from my Asterisk box? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vertical alignment tips for antenna on pole or crank up towers
Marshall, Check the paid members list Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Vertical alignment tips for antenna on pole or crank up towers All, I have recently been doing more 5.8G links. The first challenge was on a pole(15') mount with a 22dB grid antenna, link distance of 1.5 miles, and one end 1000' higher than the other. It took quite a while to get the vertical tilt adjusted. Looking at the down tilt from the ground was quite deceptive. We finally got someone up a ladder (15') and had them aim it down from the back of the grid.It becomes clear from this experience that the only way your eyes can help with this adjustment, is when they're behind the grid in its final location! Now, I'm now looking at putting a 5.8 sector antenna on top of a 55' crank up tower. We can't afford downtime for a day of crank up/down fun with guesses in adjustments. Help! Any tips, links, or trigonometry pointers would be appreciated! In fact any algiment tips for antennas mounted out of reach would be appreciated. I'm finding our WISPA membership most helpful, thanks all! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES
Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test their radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name and price? Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all kinds of weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other person this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I have) even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my supplier since they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier will gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though I know they are defective) I would love to be able to test them. Thanks folks, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES
Thanks Travis! Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them out and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and about to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us off guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that hardly nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link. Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if we are buying from the same place. Wisp-router??? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES Mac, The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad. The TX power was down 20db. We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the other. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test their radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name and price? Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all kinds of weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other person this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I have) even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my supplier since they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier will gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though I know they are defective) I would love to be able to test them. Thanks folks, Mac - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES
I just got these twenty in this morning - 2nd day air from Pasadena networks too!! CRAP! J Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES These came from Pasadena Networks (wlanparts.com) and I reported it. He claims nobody else has said anything (yet). Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Thanks Travis! Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them out and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and about to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us off guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that hardly nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link. Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if we are buying from the same place. Wisp-router??? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES Mac, The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad. The TX power was down 20db. We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the other. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test their radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name and price? Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all kinds of weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other person this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I have) even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my supplier since they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier will gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though I know they are defective) I would love to be able to test them. Thanks folks, Mac - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES
That's exactly what I was looking for Brad. Thanks for the link. Can you tell me how much that puppy costs??? Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Power/Butterfly/butterfly.htm Worth every penny. I have tested one or two of the R52H cards. The power levels across the frequencies and bands is very impressive as far as how even they are. I will warn you - if you mess with (turn up) the power settings you WILL blow them up - almost instantly. They are set to run as high as they can with the default settings in MT - also - you really need to never ever power one on if you don't have an antenna or terminal resistor hooked up. These cards put out more power on 5GHz than the Senao 8602H or S models. I would recommend getting one of these meters and setting the Tx down a dB or two for safety (make sure you check the performance) - you need the meter becaust the default settings in MT don't always match - although I believe they are real close on these cards. Brad Hagstrom (Jenco Wireless, LLC) On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got these twenty in this morning - 2nd day air from Pasadena networks too!! CRAP! J Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES These came from Pasadena Networks (wlanparts.com) and I reported it. He claims nobody else has said anything (yet). Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Thanks Travis! Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them out and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and about to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us off guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that hardly nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link. Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if we are buying from the same place. Wisp-router??? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES Mac, The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad. The TX power was down 20db. We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the other. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test their radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name and price? Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all kinds of weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other person this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I have) even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my supplier since they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier will gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though I know they are defective) I would love to be able to test them. Thanks folks, Mac - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] R52H WOES
I just finished testing these radios and 50% of them were bad. One was DOA and the others were down anywhere from -10db rx to -20db on the Tx side. One was bad on both sides. What are we going to turn to for replacement? I have 3 new towers dressed out needing nothing but RADIOS I guess the old faithful CM9 will work since it runs about half of my network now in 5.xGHz. I must add that Frank Keeney (Pasadena Networks) has already sent me a return shipping label for the bad radios!! www.wlanparts.com is on the ball with GREAT customer service!! THANKS FRANK! And thanks for the great pricing too!! You have earned a regular customer here today!! (that's me) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES Mac, The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad. The TX power was down 20db. We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the other. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test their radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name and price? Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all kinds of weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other person this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I have) even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my supplier since they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier will gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though I know they are defective) I would love to be able to test them. Thanks folks, Mac - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB333 enclosures
Can anyone tell me what they are using for an outdoor enclosure for the RB333? I just got my first order in and to my great dismay I found out that the PacWireless enclosures do not have sufficient room to place these in. Anyone have a nice solution to share?? Thanks, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower
Mike, I will respond on the members list with some info and offer of a copy of my contracts for water towers/tanks Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:05 PM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Those of you that are on water towers, what sort of agreements do you guys have with cities for their water towers and how much are you paying? I'm in negotiations with one now. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATTN: BEN MOORE OF PACWIRELESS
I have sent and received several emails the last few days with Ben - no trouble. This is the email I have been using: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GL, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATTN: BEN MOORE OF PACWIRELESS Does anyone have a phone number for Ben Moore of PacWireless? His emails are bouncing, the main PacWireless number wasn't any help, and I need to make some decisions today. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] ATTN: BEN MOORE OF PACWIRELESS I can't email you back at the address you sent to me from, nor the address in your signature. Call me at 866-323-2798 x200 ASAP. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] exofit tower xp
I am not aware of anyone on these lists that sale climbing gear, but I have a guy that I buy from in Tennessee that will absolutely take care of your needs. You know me (nuff said and I just leveled with Cliff years ago - told him I didn't know what I needed, but could tell him what I was doing. He fixed me up and educated me. They also have some outstanding catalogs! Ask for Cliff 1.800.327.4036 http://www.towergear.com/ Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Delp Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] exofit tower xp Not Sure, Mike On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list sell these? Jim - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45
Does anyone know what the actual HDX throughput would be with these Trango radios? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 We actually graph our pps usage with one of our Alvarion links. Granted Alvarion can do about 40,000 pps to Trango's 9000pps or so, but our primary link which handles dozens of VoIP calls and a sustanained 30mbit throuput has never peaked above 2200 pps. However, if you got the money to spend, go with the B100, you'll be happy. Otherwise, Trango 45 is for you. (can't comment about StarOS, never used it) Cameron Midcoast Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 Similar in the way of price or features? B100 has been able to do VLAN tagging since day one and it also has QinQ. It also supports much higher pps and the capacity stays close to constant regardless of the traffic type -- that important for a backhaul link, especially in a world seeing more and more VoIP. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff - Home Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 Patrick... Are you LISTENING too? :) Can we expect something similar from Alvarion? - Cliff On 2/19/08 9:39 PM, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do hear you Patrick. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 FYI a sales rep from Trango just informed me that the TrangoLINK-45 has a newly released firmware that supports VLAN tagging on the management interfaces. It looks like this is what I'll be going with. Patrick, I'd love to use a B100 for this shot but a full link for under $2k is hard to pass up. After all, these are backup links that I would rather not dump a ton of money into. Patrick --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). *** * *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). *** * *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). *** * --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45
Gino, Thanks for the reply. Can you tell me what the link distance and signal level is as well as what kind of throughput at that distance and signal level? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 One of my links is set to 36 Mbps mode and gives 26 Mbps TCP Hdx, I have tested on bench the 54 MBps mode and it topped at 43 Mbps Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 Does anyone know what the actual HDX throughput would be with these Trango radios? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 We actually graph our pps usage with one of our Alvarion links. Granted Alvarion can do about 40,000 pps to Trango's 9000pps or so, but our primary link which handles dozens of VoIP calls and a sustanained 30mbit throuput has never peaked above 2200 pps. However, if you got the money to spend, go with the B100, you'll be happy. Otherwise, Trango 45 is for you. (can't comment about StarOS, never used it) Cameron Midcoast Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 Similar in the way of price or features? B100 has been able to do VLAN tagging since day one and it also has QinQ. It also supports much higher pps and the capacity stays close to constant regardless of the traffic type -- that important for a backhaul link, especially in a world seeing more and more VoIP. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff - Home Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 Patrick... Are you LISTENING too? :) Can we expect something similar from Alvarion? - Cliff On 2/19/08 9:39 PM, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do hear you Patrick. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 FYI a sales rep from Trango just informed me that the TrangoLINK-45 has a newly released firmware that supports VLAN tagging on the management interfaces. It looks like this is what I'll be going with. Patrick, I'd love to use a B100 for this shot but a full link for under $2k is hard to pass up. After all, these are backup links that I would rather not dump a ton of money into. Patrick --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). *** * *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). *** * *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). *** * --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Travis, Do you know anyone that has the new MT v3.x in a production environment? I have two RB532's that were just configured using Nstream and I am looking at putting them in a work situation. I too am ordering some 333 and RB600's if I can find some tonight. The RB532's that are ready to roll are actually seeing 12.5Mbps FDX with ~62/~63 - - Let me know how you fair and I will keep you informed. Thanks, Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 5mhz channel, 7.8Mbps one direction 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 40mhz channel, 52.3Mbps one direction All these tests are with Nstreme on, but no framer policy. I know people have squeezed more by playing with the framer settings, but we have never needed to do that. I'm sure more CPU would help some... but I have no idea how much. I know even the RB333 boards (same price as the RB532) have twice the CPU power as the RB532s... and I have some of those on the way already. ;) Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: What about 5mhz channels? Do you have enough signal to try 40 mhz? I am about to replace 5 links with MT 5.8. Does more CPU help on the sending side, say P4 to RB133/333. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS: 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction 5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as they are almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a couple ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles. WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas. 18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
That is cool Travis - Thanks for that info. I have been tip Toeing around V3.x since it came out and have avoided downloading it to even try it out. This last batch of RB532's came in with it preloaded on them is the only reason I have even seen it thus far. I guess I am a strange puppy and I fit in the category of don't mess with nothing or change nothing if the old way works well:-) - - good thing the rest of the world is not that way or we would all still be in T Models, but then they didn't really work all that well although they beat the snot out of walking! Good to hear V3.2 is stable and I will definitely upgrade all my new RB's to that. Let me know if you see some boogers - hehehe as I tip toe on down through the Tulip patch here. I hate to say it, but I used to think the rest of the world (all of it) was really strange, but my wife has just about convinced me that it is me who is strange and the rest of the world is OK! WOW - that's a strange thought in itself!! :-) (Med and bed time) Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mac, I have been running in production links and GigE routers since 3.0rc13. Our main edge router is MT v3.1 right now and is running perfectly. I have upgraded about 10 of our RB532's with v3.2 and it has been perfect so far. Some of the new statistics are really cool (like the Potential Throughput display for each connected radio, running pseudobridge instead of WDS, etc.) Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Travis, Do you know anyone that has the new MT v3.x in a production environment? I have two RB532's that were just configured using Nstream and I am looking at putting them in a work situation. I too am ordering some 333 and RB600's if I can find some tonight. The RB532's that are ready to roll are actually seeing 12.5Mbps FDX with ~62/~63 - - Let me know how you fair and I will keep you informed. Thanks, Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 5mhz channel, 7.8Mbps one direction 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 40mhz channel, 52.3Mbps one direction All these tests are with Nstreme on, but no framer policy. I know people have squeezed more by playing with the framer settings, but we have never needed to do that. I'm sure more CPU would help some... but I have no idea how much. I know even the RB333 boards (same price as the RB532) have twice the CPU power as the RB532s... and I have some of those on the way already. ;) Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: What about 5mhz channels? Do you have enough signal to try 40 mhz? I am about to replace 5 links with MT 5.8. Does more CPU help on the sending side, say P4 to RB133/333. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS: 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction 5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as they are almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a couple ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles. WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas. 18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph
[WISPA] FW: FCC Form 477 Reporting Reminder (Due March 3, 2008)
From: FCC477 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:03 PM To: FCC 477 Contact Subject: FCC Form 477 Reporting Reminder (Due March 3, 2008) Good afternoon, Since you were the contact person on a previous FCC Form 477 semi-annual filing, you are receiving this courtesy reminder about the upcoming filing, which is due no later than March 3, 2008. If you are not responsible for the upcoming Form 477 filing, we will appreciate you forwarding this message to the person in your organization who is responsible for completing this form. If your filing due March 3rd has already been submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED], please disregard this reminder. The form required for this filing is at http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477.xls http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477.xls and the detailed reporting instructions are at http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477instr.pdf. The required Certification Statement is at http://www.fcc.gov/wcb/iatd/form477/certificationstatement.pdf or can be found on page 14 of the instructions file. A set of frequently asked questions (FAQs) is available at http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/broadband_data_faq.html http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/broadband_data_faq.html. IMPORTANT REMINDERS FOR FCC FORM 477 FILERS: 1) If you do not see your holding company name listed within the drop-down list for Cover Page question #3 or if your holding company name has changed or edits need to be made to the holding company name, please contact Suzanne Mendez via email at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] or directly by phone at (202) 418-0941.Please use the drop-down box to select the appropriate holding company name. This will make it easier for all affiliated entities to use exactly the same name - including punctuation - when answering Cover Page question #3. 2) For spreadsheet rows where you are reporting data in Form 477 column (a), please be sure to completely answer all the other Form 477 questions across that row - for example, Form 477 questions (b) through (j) in Part I.A and in Part II of the form - placing a 0% in data cells where a zero applies versus leaving that data cell blank. But keep in mind that you may leave the entire row blank if the correct answer to Form 477 column (a) is zero. 3) If a revised Form 477 is submitted after the filing due date of March 3, 2008, it should not show Original Filing as the answer to Cover Page question #7. Instead, that answer should be changed from Original Filing to Revised Filing1. Please make note of the Example filename provided on the Cover Page and save the form using the filename as indicated by the Example. 4) Please note that incumbent local exchange carriers that are reselling satellite services via WildBlue, Hughes, or StarBand, are not supposed to report these lines in Part I, Line 6, (Satellite). Instead, please note these lines in the Comments section in Part IV of FCC Form 477. If you have any questions about how to complete and/or file Form 477 after you have reviewed the reporting instructions and Form 477 FAQs, or if you are not able to download the form, please direct your questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or to a member of the FCC Form 477 Team at (202) 418-0940. Thank you. Sincerely, Suzanne Mendez FCC Form 477 Team Member WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MikroTik FCC
Travis, Excuse the copy paste from an earlier post I made - but here is what copied. I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list. These configurations were tested by Rogers Labs, Inc back in July and made available on the FCC site months ago along with their FCC certification. John Tully also stated this morning that there is more certifications covering more antennas Routerboards in the very near future. Looks like PacWireless was a HUGE portion of antenna choice!! Thanks MikroTik!! Model: R52 2412.0-2462.0 and 5740.0 - 5840.0 MHz 12 dBi Omni Directional OD24- 12 dBi Omni Directional OD58-12 13 dBi Omni Directional ODH24-13 17 dBi Sector SA24-90-17-WB 17 dBi Sector SA5-90-17-WB 19 dBi Panel PA24-19 24 dBi Panel PA58-24 28 dBi Grid GD5W-28 24 dBi Dish DC24HDPF1P-EZ 32 dBi Dish DA5W-32P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Hi, I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that was working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). Does anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily available in the near future. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. I think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone else. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Hi, I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that was working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). Does anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? Travis Microserv - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior
If it were me I would go with the R52H for everything 2.4 5.x since that is where MT has headed and what they devote their time to these days Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior I would look at the XR cards over the SR cards as they have the newer chipsets. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior Yeah, I think I am going to get SR5s on both ends. With the winds we have been having, won't hurt to get someone up there to confirm alignment, too. Mike Hammett wrote: This may or may not make a difference, but I mostly use 6th generation chips (R52s, XR5s, and one from Gigabyte). I'm told they listen better. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: [WISPA] Strange BH Behavior I have a backhaul link, RB532 w/CM9 (I think) to RB532 w/SR2 (I think) that is a great link, most of the time. Every once in a while it will quite passing traffic. If I setup a ping on the 32 on one end to ping the other, it will go just fine, no packet loss. But eventually all the customer connections will stop passing traffic for 10 seconds to 2 minutes. Then it starts up again. All the while the ping doesn't seem to change its response time. Any ideas what may be going on? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list. These configurations were tested by Rogers Labs, Inc back in July and made available on the FCC site months ago along with their FCC certification. John Tully also stated this morning that there is more certifications covering more antennas Routerboards in the very near future. Looks like PacWireless was a HUGE portion of antenna choice!! Thanks MikroTik!! Model: R52 2412.0-2462.0 and 5740.0 - 5840.0 MHz 12 dBi Omni Directional OD24- 12 dBi Omni Directional OD58-12 13 dBi Omni Directional ODH24-13 17 dBi Sector SA24-90-17-WB 17 dBi Sector SA5-90-17-WB 19 dBi Panel PA24-19 24 dBi Panel PA58-24 28 dBi Grid GD5W-28 24 dBi Dish DC24HDPF1P-EZ 32 dBi Dish DA5W-32P This is just one short list of gear that has been certified. Mac Dearman CEO Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com http://www.inetsouth.com/ Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.728.8642 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
David, What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them certified as meeting the FCC criteria thus giving them the ability to produce exact replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little white sticker that seems so important! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Mac Dearman wrote: I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list. [ snip ] Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening the dread Pandora's Box that is FCC certification questions. The Routerboard 52 is just a mini-PCI card. Is this certification still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's connected to? It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of components to get customers online. David Smith MVN.net --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
I can't answer that one Travis - other than to say that they managed it somehow because their routerboard operating system has absolutely passed the test with many antennas. There may be a MikroTik Jeanie included with the sticker. Hehehe I do know that I did see the test results of the 5.3 GHz /R52 radio and the test results showed the reduced power in the graphs. I don't imagine it would be too hard to leave out or disable certain abilities of their functionality. It could be as easy as just not allowing those options to show up in US models of their software that have FCC Certs. All units that will be US FCC certified will come as a unit - -we will not be able to build them ourselves. If we alter it after it has been certified by reloading the OS - - we uncertified our own gear, but then - - if you alter RedLine or Trango's gear it is no longer certified either. This was just my $0.02 worth and in no way do I represent MikroTik or their views/beliefs. The above was/is my own little pea brain and infantile thoughts J Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Mac, Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are they going to lock down the software so the power outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: David, What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them certified as meeting the FCC criteria thus giving them the ability to produce exact replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little white sticker that seems so important! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Mac Dearman wrote: I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list. [ snip ] Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening the dread Pandora's Box that is FCC certification questions. The Routerboard 52 is just a mini-PCI card. Is this certification still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's connected to? It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of components to get customers online. David Smith MVN.net --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation'
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Can you explain why you feel that way? For all the same reasons we complain about now in the trash spectrum we are making a living in. If personal portable devices are allowed in the whitespace then it would be no different than what we have today as far as the raised noise floor. Just think about all the Linksys wireless routers, portable telephones, garage door openers, baby monitors, outdoor temperature sensors and only God knows what else that we would all have to compete with in towns and communities. Mac On 1/17/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've sent a note to WIA and asked if they'd be interested in a discussion focused on finding common ground between them and us. It's my belief that WISPA needs to fight tooth and nail to keep personal portable devices out of the whitespaces band. At least at first (really forever as far as I'm concerned). Anyone have a problem with that as a firm stance? marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation' Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation' The row over US 'white space' spectrum continues, with the newly formed Wireless Innovation Alliance http://wirelessinnovationalliance.com/ stepping up its campaign to convince the FCC and the industry that wireless devices can be used in these areas without interfering with digital TV signals. The WIA last week accused the broadcast industry, as represented by the National Association of Broadasters (NAB), of misleading the public just as the FCC prepares to test updated wireless devices from the likes of Microsoft (the original prototypes failed non-interference testing, though the WIA claims this had more to do with poor testing methods than real problems for digital TV signals). These products are designed to work in an unused channel within the digital TV band, but to switch to another channel if the first is needed for a television signal. The WIA was formed last month to lobby the FCC to complete testing and move forward with technical guidelines. Six House of Representatives members wrote to FCC chairman Kevin Martin recently to urge a final decision in the next few months. The transition from analog to digital TV is due to be completed in February 2009. Upcoming testing of white space concept devices is meant to assist FCC engineers to craft the strongest possible rules while ensuring maximum public benefit. Yet instead of respecting the FCC's desire to perform concept testing, your recent public misinformation campaign has confused the testing process and misled the public and policy makers, stated the WIA in a letter http://wirelessinnovationalliance.com/files/WIA%20letter%20to%20NAB%20 re%20WS%20testing.pdf to NAB president David Rehr http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/17/wia_nab_white_space_spat/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: Wireless industry slams NAB's white space'misinformation']
I have mixed thoughts about backing any stand that is for allowing portable devices in this spectrum. I deal (daily) in a trash hole of spectrum because of these very same portable devices. What do you Wireless Internet Service Providers want anyway? Do you want spectrum that is fit to be used to deliver quality broadband at higher rates of data transfer, better coverage areas, spectrum that cuts the foliage like butter with a super low noise floor that is allocated and kept up with by the FCC via their ULS site? - OR - do you want to share the spectrum with every device known to China, Korea, Japan and the USA as we fight (like we do today) to find a clean channel to pass a few megs on? I don't know how the rest of you feel, but I joined WISPA to allow WISPA beat the drums in DC for WISPs across the USA. I joined WISPA with the hope that we will eventually get some spectrum that is fit to use without paying $2.2 million for the rights to it. WISPA is IMHO just what it says - WIRELESS INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS ASSOCIATION. I think we ought to go for what is best for us as a whole. We don't have to alienate anyone and I would suggest we do just the opposite - -befriend these guys, but be true to thyself and thy industry first! I'm not ready to act like a politician and throw out the baby with the wash water. I believe that we will eventually get what we ask for - if we are persistent. Aligning ourselves beside the newly formed (less than a month old) WIA is not going to hurt us if we don't, but would absolutely give the WIA the clout to say they have all the WISDPS supporting their stand - - and believe it or not guys - - DC hears us loud and clear! There are FCC commissioners who know us by name, who we are, what we are doing and what we are looking for out of them - let's keep the bathwater warm and the baby in it. This is not the first time we have had to make a decision along these lines and it won't be the last. Common ground is easily found and agreed upon without swallowing the hook, line and sinker along with a dab of bait. There are many issues that we could agree on/support with WIA - I am sure. One thing is for sure: If you support the newly formed WIA's stance on utilizing TVWHITESPACE for personal portable devices you can look forward to a ripped spectrum like we have now where we are all trying to make a living. The WIA is comprised of companies like Microsoft, HP (delivering just what we need - every printer will be spewing whitespace noise like they do in 2.4 now) Dell (same thing) Google with their phones and little gadgets and millions more. Sincerely, Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: Wireless industry slams NAB's white space'misinformation'] Sascha's got a good point. So the question is If WISPA alienates groups lobbying for Public portable devices, Who all would still be allies with WISPA to fight for open access to it? Sascha infers, not many. What does WISPA think? As much as I respect how much WISPA has done so far to fight for the rights in 700, my personal opinion is WISPA does not have enough mucsle on its won to cause effective result. WISPA needs allies. Everyone I can think of that would be an allie, would want portable devices, except other WISPs. I truly hate this. It makes us chose between either sound technical theory, versus Politics, that otherwise might leave us empty handed. But that might be reality. I agree with Marlon, that with personal portable devices allowed, I don't see how it could ever work out to be effectively used by Fixed Broadband providers. But, maybe a better use for it, is for Portable devices, to give the Telcos some real competition, and WISPs would just need to modify their business model to benefit from it? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sascha Meinrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: Wireless industry slams NAB's white space'misinformation'] Hi everyone, Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:26:54 -0800 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation' To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've sent a note to WIA and asked if they'd be interested in a discussion focused on finding common ground between them and us. It's my belief that WISPA needs to fight tooth and nail to keep personal portable devices out of the whitespaces band. At least at first (really forever as far as I'm concerned). Anyone have a problem with that as a firm stance? marlon I'm all for firm stands, but not for self-destructive
Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path
I don't have any licensed links yet, but I am debating on several in the near future. Can anyone tell me what a 18GHz licensed link costs other than your actual hardware and the procedure for getting the license? Thanks guys, Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18Ghz multi-path Hi, We currently have five 18ghz links... two have been up for almost 4 years with less than 30 minutes downtime total. 1 - 7 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 2 - 19 miles, 4ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 years) 3 - 14 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 4 - 15 miles, 2.5ft dishes, 99.999% calc'd uptime, so far correct (8 months) 5 - 28 miles, 2ft dishes, 99.99% calc'd uptime, so far correct (4 months) We have not seen any multi-path issues with any 18ghz links. We are always able to get 1-2db better signal than the path calc shows, but it can take a little time (the 27 mile link took almost an hour to fully align, compared with 10-15 minutes for the other links). We are in the 12mm/h rain zone. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: So what are you guy finding regarding 18Ghz multi-path. What we learned over this past year is that multipath for Millimeter Wave and high Spectrum ranges, is a different animal. Very picky. 18Ghz specifically is known for negative effects of reflection, that need to be taken into account in isntalltion design. Any success rates on wall mounting? Are your links path calc'd for 2ft dish working with 2 ft, as engineered? Etc. Are you getting 3- 9s engineering 3- 9's? This question isn;t about gear, its about 18Ghz. (Note if mention distance, please mention rain zone) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I wish we could say the same about the Trango. So far nothing but flaky behavior and that is with -44 dBm rx signal levels. But this is a new product to us and there may be something we are not configuring properly. Not going to count it out until the factory guys have had a chance to exhaust their remedies. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link The Trango is solid as a rock, also. Trango is a great product, for a basic config, meaning 1 link, w/ 1 antenna and radio per side, under 300mbps. I was nothing but impressed with our units. Dragonwave currently has the lead from the perspective of supporting all the freq ranges in a single paltform, best adaptive modulation routines, and ability to combine radios on a single antenna to double capacity. But there is a price to that. If those feature aren't needed? Cable Free is also a great product, if you are planning on daisy chaining several links, the flexibilty and cost savings of these units are fantastic. Also very impressed with the overall design of their system. (Only negative I found was no adaptive modulation) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Matt I have installed over 50 Dragonwave links in the past 24 months. 1 outage the result of equipment failure and I had a replacement in my hand the next day from Canada. Airpair goes up to 200 Meg. FD. Horizon will do 600 plus. Multiple IDU. ODU architecture. You could do 200 MB Horizon for your budget. I have no experience with the trango. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:47:10 To:WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link I have used the Trango GigaLink and DragonWave. DragonWave is rock solid. Never a problem. Have several systems. We are still trying to get the Trango to play. Lots of signal but not running well at all. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
It's as easy as a PPTP tunnel utilizing MT. They can do their own routing..etc and all you provide is the tunnel and intranet access. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] T1 Replacement I am looking to replace some T1 circuits with my wireless network. It would be advantageous to have a complete Layer 2 link through my network from the Ethernet port I hand to the client to the Ethernet port I hand off at the provider's NOC. No IP monkey business for me to worry about. What is the most transparent way to do this? I am looking at using Redline AN-80i or someone's 5 GHz WiMax for the PtMP system and a mix of Redline, Orthogon, and fiber for the backbone. I have a preference to Mikrotik, then Imagestream routing products. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 700 mhz spectrum auction
Seeing as how these auctions are the Holy Grail of spectrum - I am sure that they are not only going to enforce the anti-collusion rules to the tee, but they are probably hunting for those who may be treading lightly on the border of the anti-collusion rules. Best practice would to be avoiding any conversation or mention of these auctions on list and off list! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 700 mhz spectrum auction AU Docket No. 07-157 Report No. AUC-07-73-F (Auction 73) The Wireless Telecommunications Bureau (Bureau) reminds applicants for the upcoming auction of 700 MHz Band licenses (Auctions 73 and 76) of the confidential nature of certain information, such as an applicant's upfront payment amount, license selection, bidding eligibility, actual bids submitted, bidding-related actions (e.g., bid withdrawals, proactive waivers submitted, reductions in eligibility) and other bidding-related information that may indicate the identity or interests of specific applicants. The Bureau further reminds applicants that public disclosure of such confidential information may violate the Commission's anti-collusion rule and subject the applicant to enforcement action, including but not limited to imposition of a forfeiture penalty pursuant to Section 503 of the Communications Act, as amended. The Bureau adopted anonymous bidding procedures to withhold from public release until after the close of bidding in both Auctions 73 and 76 any information that may indicate specific applicants' interests in the auction, including, in addition to the information described above, information on the winning bidders for licenses in blocks for which the reserve price was met in Auction 73. Correspondingly, the Bureau recently warned applicants that the direct or indirect communication to other applicants or the public disclosure of such non-public information could violate the Commission's anonymous bidding procedures and the anti-collusion rule. To the extent an applicant believes that such a disclosure is required by law or regulation, including regulations issued by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, the Bureau strongly urges that the applicant consult with the Commission before making such disclosure. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile
Thanks for the info Brian! It has taken me all of 45 years to figure out when to listen, when to shut up and when to just shut up and listen. I appreciate (as I am sure anyone that struggles with getting RM setup) the fine advice and direction you give. From Louisiana: HAPPY NEW YEARS ALL!! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view details you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to look for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you don't have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you will be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in the pattern. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level? On a 3 km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator. What the radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's calculator. Why they're different is that I actually used the right antenna files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WTB Trango 5.3
Travis, I am not sure if what I have is even compatible with what you are looking for, but I have 15 brand new - never powered up Trango M5580M-FSU. If it is something that you could use - - drop me a line - - CHEAP - -I mean CHEAP :) Merry Christmas Bro., Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WTB Trango 5.3 Hi, I am looking for Trango FOX5300 (5.3ghz only) units. Please reply off-list with quantity available and asking price. thanks, Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WTB Trango 5.3
Dang it - - that was supposed to be off list :) Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 3:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Trango 5.3 Yes, I can use them... what's the price? :) Travis Mac Dearman wrote: Travis, I am not sure if what I have is even compatible with what you are looking for, but I have 15 brand new - never powered up Trango M5580M-FSU. If it is something that you could use - - drop me a line - - CHEAP - -I mean CHEAP :) Merry Christmas Bro., Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WTB Trango 5.3 Hi, I am looking for Trango FOX5300 (5.3ghz only) units. Please reply off-list with quantity available and asking price. thanks, Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Building new mail server, Webmail suggestions?
We have mail servers running both Horde and Squirrel mail. I have never had problems with either and they have been running for years. I will say that Squirrel mail has many more important options for the subscriber and (to me) has a better interface. .02 worth :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Building new mail server, Webmail suggestions? All, I'm in the process of putting together a new email server. It will probably be based on postfix and virtual users. No too much spam fighting software to bog things down and complicate the system now, since all my customers get postini spam filter service with their email. Anyway, just looking for any suggestions on a decent open source webmail client. I've used squirrelmail in the past, but wonder if others might have a good suggestion, and why they like it. Thank you kindly, Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] signal tests
We kind of split the difference. We set them up for an install when they call in because we too had so many that could get internet, but never followed up and ordered the service after the site survey. We always ask if someone will be home on the day of install and if they say they will have to take off work - - we will run by and do a site survey before they actually take off to insure that their day off was not in vain. The good thing about this is we know that they ready and willing to pay for service. If they start craw fishing and put off the install - - that tells us what we needed to know as well. We also use Google Earth as we talk to them on the phone to see if they are in a forest and their distance to our closest tower(s) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luke Pack Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] signal tests I like the $50 dollar thing! yes, we do have many that do not follow up after the survey. I think we might implement that one- thanks! Luke - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] signal tests chris cooper wrote: Im wondering how everybody else is handling signal tests for resi subscribers. We ask for a $50 deposit before we send a tech out to do the signal test. (With a very few, very limited exceptions, we ALWAYS do a signal test before scheduling an install.) If the test is a no-go, the customer gets the $50 deposit back; if the test is a go, we apply that deposit to the installation fee. Note that there's no way to get the $50 back if the signal test is a go. That's by design. We used to do signal tests for free, but we had many hundreds of good tests where the customer never followed up and wanted service installed. It was a waste of our time, money, mileage on the truck, et cetera. This discourages, subtly, folks that aren't actually interested in the service, or who are just window-shopping. Prospective customers are informed that they'll be checked within two weeks, which we've generally been successful at. Assuming the check is a go, we then schedule the install. (Normally we don't need anyone at home for the signal check.) Checks tend to stack up for a few days, then get done when a tech is in the area; if we're installing someone just north of Smalltown, we add an extra hour or two onto that tech's schedule and have him do all the Smalltown-area checks while he's in the neighborhood. This does require someone, or some software, to keep track of these things, to make sure no checks fall through the cracks, and occasionally a tech still has to take a day doing nothing but driving around doing random signal checks. It's not perfect, but it's the best we've got so far. We still have to do a truck roll for each signal test, of course, and there are still plenty of no-go checks. This way, though, the good checks are basically guaranteed to make us some money. David Smith MVN.net - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Climbing gear
If you know exactly what you want to the tee and have no questions nor do you want suggestions you can get it on line anywhere. If you want suggestions, have questions and may want/need guidance - - call Tennessee Equipment Supply. (Knoxville, Tn) Ask for Cliff and he is a very knowledgeable person and easy to talk to. Years ago when we first started this business I came clean with him and told him that I was dumb as a box of rocks and didn't know what I needed to be safe. He absolutely fixed me up and didn't over sale me. I have since came to respect and appreciate his service and buy all my gear there. Tennessee Equipment Supply (Cliff) Knoxville, Tn. 865.966.5722 800.327.4036 Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Climbing gear Where do you guys get your climbing gear? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fiber
Dennis, Are you a vendor member of WISPA? If so, please accept my apologies for asking, but if you are not a vendor member then you need to be for several reasons: 1. We need active vendor members since it actual vendor member funds that allow us to accomplish our goals for all WISPs across the country - not exclusively WISPA members, but it's the Reagan affect of trickle down economy :) 2. Your open advertising on list would actually be something that you sat down and thought about every quarter so that you could get the best bang for your buck and it would go to all email addys on all WISPA list servers. (Thousands?) 3. It wouldn't make you look like you are taking a cheap shot at selling your wares on WISPA lists to WISPA members. 4. If you were a paid WISPA vendor member - we wouldn't get all these emails off list from other members vendor members who have actually paid their dues to advertise their wares/services on these lists every time you try to slip one in on us/them. Some of these vendor members are no larger than your company, but they have paid their membership. Please respect the way we have things set up and uphold the rules of all the lists since that is only fair for all involved. Every time you slip one in you are really doing everyone involved with WISPA wrong. The members because you haven't paid your Vendor dues and our vendors who have paid their dues to have the privilege to do what you seem to be doing for free. What if we didn't have any vendor members and everyone would just slip an advertisement in? Where would WISPA be then? I know you have some fine gear and I can't help but believe that you would definitely benefit from a vendor membership. A picture is worth a thousand words and I have seen what you are selling and I know it works :) - - WRITE A CHECK!! I did peruse my vendor member paperwork (and the web site) to confirm that you haven't paid vendor fee's, but paperwork sometimes is not the fastest way - so if you are a vendor member please accept my apologies. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fiber Sweet stuff.I do have Mikrotiks with Dual GigE Fiber Ports if someone is interested. Dennis Burgess www.mikrotikrouter.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, This is very true... we install a small UPS along with the switch to help with power issues... but with 70+ customers on the ring right now, we have not seen any issues. If a single customer goes down, the ring is still fully functional for everyone else. At that point, we contact that customer to find out the problem and get it resolved as quickly as possible. The only time we have had more than 1 customer down at a time is when a major power outage happens that lasts more than an hour. Since you are using GBICs have you considered using CWDM along with passive ADMs instead? Passive ADMs don't require any power and could be used at each customer location to drop a single channel of light that you plug into the GBIC. This way if a single customer's equipment goes down the rest of the ring stays up. With CWDM you only have 8 channels of light giving you a max of 8 gigs shared across your ring, but that is probably fine considering you only have 2 gigs with your current setup. -Matt --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
