Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire
I honestly don't think we're working with the government so much as we're working with the market. We are a bunch of Davids trying to play in a game that is dominated by Goliaths. I know how that bible fable goes so we don't need to get sidetracked on a lecture about how that story ended... My point is that our market has huge players affecting change and us small guys have been able to succeed to varying degrees BECAUSE we haven't been on the radar. Our government fully believes that the best-suited companies to deliver broadband to the masses are these bigger players, and I tend to agree with them. I've always considered myself a niche provider, and as soon as the nice becomes attractive to a company with real money, slow or fast, I will realize the inevitable decline of my wireless business. Not because of the government, but because of the market. For myself, this uphill battle is stress better left up to someone else. My business plans are to ride the wireless wave as long as I can, and venture into other businesses and make them valuable with the revenues generated by the wireless business. I just released the first version of my first iPhone/iPad game on Apple's App Store, for instance. I'm thinking of starting a landscaping business (not WORKING it, just owning it). I think a music/movie studio is in my future. Eggs in several baskets. That kind of thing. In the meantime, the wireless business has to be tended to and made everything it can be. On 7/19/2011 7:20 PM, RickG wrote: Mark, You just made my point, it appears to me that WISPA, many WISP's, and small business owners in general have done their best to work with the system. And what rewards do we get for it? I dont know about you but the system is killing me! Mark my words, unless things change, the system that is beginning to fail us now will eventually totally fail us. Sorry for sounding so pessimistic but after watching our government at work after 35 years, the only thing positive is that it can change if we want it to but it's gonna be a long, hard fight. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: You absolutely have a right to chase your dreams in this country, as opposed to other countries. But you have to temper yourself with the absolute fact that you belong to a system. Successful business owners either work within the system, or find a way around it. Do what you can, when you can, to affect change, but to try to wholesale uproot the system is going to cause you persistent pain and anguish. On 7/19/2011 8:15 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote: +1 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:04 PM *To:* fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire it is Regulation (1996 Telecom Act) that allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing internet access and other communication services *With all due respect, it's exactly the mindset that government allows us to be in business that IS the problem. Telecom Act or no, regulation or no, there should be no question that we are allowed to make a living the way we want to regardless.* On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I am going to address your points backwards:- You wrote --- And lastly, about the FCC, the last administration's appointees were advocates for free markets and for competition and deregulation. Not particularly effective ones, but at least they were not our enemy. The current administration's people at the FCC are IN NO WAY our friend, for any way, manner, or purpose, and everything they want is bad for us and the country. STop talking political party talking points, and get some reality. - We have been wireline ISP's first, since 2000, if you really believe what you wrote (above) then you are truly mis-informed... The simple facts are ... it is Regulation (1996 Telecom Act) that allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing internet access and other communication services . and it is THE DEREGULATION over the past 5 years, that has been KILLING the ISP's off. You forget, that if you don't have the ability to connect to other networks in a fair and equitable manner, you are not going to be able to continue in this business. Get a grip of reality and the full picture.. you are playing with a DUAL EDGE sword here... ---You wrote- You seem to think that the answer is to find
Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire
I know, the guy just rubs me the wrong way, has for years, and it's intolerable to me anymore (that's a big fat 1 in the count of intolerable people in my life). He polarizes people and wants us to act in an unrealistic fashion, and for what? He wants to take back HIS country, clearly. Well, HIS country doesn't exist anymore. He suggests radical movements that won't get us anywhere. All to hear himself rant. He never posts anything less than 5 long-ass paragraphs. He's a self-serving narcissistic ass that wants to live in a fantasy world, and I just don't want to hear from him anymore... It was a good idea, whoever suggested it, to be rid of this free public list, as the archive is publicly available and we don't need non-members to go on record as part of WISPA. Get on the members list, oh yeah, BE A MEMBER...if you can't see $250/year value out of this organization then you don't do business that affects us and we don't want you... For a more immediate solution to MY problem, whoever said just get off the FREE list...thank you. That's the solution for me as I have been on the members list for several years now, and 98% of the list traffic these days is on that list (if you lurkers have been wondering where the real business has been gone). On 7/18/2011 10:45 PM, RickG wrote: Mark, I may have missed it but I havent heard MK call you any names. There really is no room for that on this list. But then, who am I? On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: We all know that Mark Koskenmaki has good points sometimes. The trouble is that it's shrouded in the fact that he's a dick and doesn't actually want to help..he just wants to bitch. Notice that he's not on the members list. Again doesn't want to help...just wants to bitch. Dick. On 7/16/2011 3:19 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I'm sorry I guess I missed you at the Legislative Committee list when I was putting this together sending out drafts and asking for comments and help/sarcasm. WISPA is a representation of those who show up to help formulate consensus and policy, not my personal views. So easy to throw darts at the end result when you wouldn't be part of the process, isn't it? On 7/15/2011 7:07 PM, MDK wrote: Nice re-write of history, Forbes. Who are you trying to protect? It is NOT Congress which has been the motivating factor behind the FCC's anti-competitive behavior... It has been the administration and the people that this administration have appointed and have hired, combined with a small number of extreme left-wing groups who have been pushing Net Neutrality, etc. It was NEVER Congress that pushed this. Your effort to see spectrum auctioned is not so much a matter of lobbyists having taken over Congress as it is a matter of Congress finding ways to raise money. A later poster reminded us that not only is Congress unfamiliar with what we do and how we do it - along with why we are needed - the FCC is just as ignorant as well. Despite that fact that WISPA has communicated, the FCC people as a whole just DO NOT GRASP the realities of free market service providers. Until the readers were so sore here that nobody would talk to me, and threatened to expel me, I tried to explain how WISPA needed to take a PRINCIPLED STAND at the time WISPA began to be noticed in DC, that we believed in Free Markets and freedom to do business, without being encumbered (killed) by federal regulation. To this day, WISPA has no published principles which say that it, or you, believe in free markets, open competition, and consumer - oriented stewardship of the nation's RF spectrum-rather than auctioning the assets to the largest bidder. Instead, WISPA has a history of alternatively being for and against various actions - mostly based upon whether or not it was financially a win for the larger voices of WISPA. This lack of principled direction has now come and bitten us in the backside, potentially lethally. The central notion we have to fight is that spectrum should be auctioned (revenue to the feds) to the highest bidder. And someone, in their ignorance, has managed to commit an idea commensurate to your local city government suddenly deciding to create a license to sell groceries and has structured it so that it is all tied to one auction, where any deep pockets bidder can remove the ability of all the incumbents to stay in business. Instead of educating Congress, the FCC ,and our allies (if we have any) about how freedom to be in business has been the central mechanism by which a vast swath of America
Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire
You absolutely have a right to chase your dreams in this country, as opposed to other countries. But you have to temper yourself with the absolute fact that you belong to a system. Successful business owners either work within the system, or find a way around it. Do what you can, when you can, to affect change, but to try to wholesale uproot the system is going to cause you persistent pain and anguish. On 7/19/2011 8:15 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote: +1 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:04 PM *To:* fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire it is Regulation (1996 Telecom Act) that allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing internet access and other communication services *With all due respect, it's exactly the mindset that government allows us to be in business that IS the problem. Telecom Act or no, regulation or no, there should be no question that we are allowed to make a living the way we want to regardless.* On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I am going to address your points backwards:- You wrote --- And lastly, about the FCC, the last administration's appointees were advocates for free markets and for competition and deregulation. Not particularly effective ones, but at least they were not our enemy. The current administration's people at the FCC are IN NO WAY our friend, for any way, manner, or purpose, and everything they want is bad for us and the country. STop talking political party talking points, and get some reality. - We have been wireline ISP's first, since 2000, if you really believe what you wrote (above) then you are truly mis-informed... The simple facts are ... it is Regulation (1996 Telecom Act) that allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing internet access and other communication services . and it is THE DEREGULATION over the past 5 years, that has been KILLING the ISP's off. You forget, that if you don't have the ability to connect to other networks in a fair and equitable manner, you are not going to be able to continue in this business. Get a grip of reality and the full picture.. you are playing with a DUAL EDGE sword here... ---You wrote- You seem to think that the answer is to find the right pol to influence and the right committee members to lobby and the right allies to obstruct X or advance Y, but those are expediency, not principle. They should be TACTICS to a principled purpose, one that will attract others, on the basis of its soundness and validity. Not sure where you are coming up with this from ...however each and every one has his own right to interpret the events . You wrote - Additionally, I said absolutely NOTHING partisan. Not even ideological. It's simple straightforward business principles. Principle Numero Uno is have the freedom to be in business, and there is nothing convoluted or difficult about that. hehe.. when you start off a paragraph with this administration or do a follow up with the previous administration.. that is as partisan as one can get I agree with your 'Principle Numero Uno', but you are harking at the wrong organization.. it is not in WISPA's charter or mission, maybe should be a member of the SBA association, or FISPA or COMPTEL ... but then again you will have to get your head straight about how the US Gov. has operated for the last 200 years WISPA's mission has been to address issues related to Wireless, (not business, not telephone service, not hosted services, etc etc)... While I understand your frustration with the Gov., and do agree with some of your points, but what you keep putting forward on the WISPA forums is more like 'Don Quixote Tilting at the windmills Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/16/2011 12:59 AM, MDK wrote: A plan of action? If I said this is what WISPA should do and laid it out in detail, all you'd do is say who are you? Why should we hacve to do what you say? Frankly, I have no idea why you're having difficulty. You see, when you have proper business principles as your guiding mechanism, what you should do is crystal clear. Nobody needs to write out a plan of action, it becomes self evident - you always advocate FOR the proper and best thing. And, after being consistent, year after year, and when stuff like this comes up, which becomes so blatantly obviously a result of failure to follow true principle, again, nothing is obscure or difficult. Additionally, I said absolutely NOTHING partisan. Not even ideological. It's simple straightforward
Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire
We all know that Mark Koskenmaki has good points sometimes. The trouble is that it's shrouded in the fact that he's a dick and doesn't actually want to help..he just wants to bitch. Notice that he's not on the members list. Again doesn't want to help...just wants to bitch. Dick. On 7/16/2011 3:19 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I'm sorry I guess I missed you at the Legislative Committee list when I was putting this together sending out drafts and asking for comments and help/sarcasm. WISPA is a representation of those who show up to help formulate consensus and policy, not my personal views. So easy to throw darts at the end result when you wouldn't be part of the process, isn't it? On 7/15/2011 7:07 PM, MDK wrote: Nice re-write of history, Forbes. Who are you trying to protect? It is NOT Congress which has been the motivating factor behind the FCC's anti-competitive behavior... It has been the administration and the people that this administration have appointed and have hired, combined with a small number of extreme left-wing groups who have been pushing Net Neutrality, etc. It was NEVER Congress that pushed this. Your effort to see spectrum auctioned is not so much a matter of lobbyists having taken over Congress as it is a matter of Congress finding ways to raise money. A later poster reminded us that not only is Congress unfamiliar with what we do and how we do it - along with why we are needed - the FCC is just as ignorant as well. Despite that fact that WISPA has communicated, the FCC people as a whole just DO NOT GRASP the realities of free market service providers. Until the readers were so sore here that nobody would talk to me, and threatened to expel me, I tried to explain how WISPA needed to take a PRINCIPLED STAND at the time WISPA began to be noticed in DC, that we believed in Free Markets and freedom to do business, without being encumbered (killed) by federal regulation. To this day, WISPA has no published principles which say that it, or you, believe in free markets, open competition, and consumer - oriented stewardship of the nation's RF spectrum-rather than auctioning the assets to the largest bidder. Instead, WISPA has a history of alternatively being for and against various actions - mostly based upon whether or not it was financially a win for the larger voices of WISPA. This lack of principled direction has now come and bitten us in the backside, potentially lethally. The central notion we have to fight is that spectrum should be auctioned (revenue to the feds) to the highest bidder. And someone, in their ignorance, has managed to commit an idea commensurate to your local city government suddenly deciding to create a license to sell groceries and has structured it so that it is all tied to one auction, where any deep pockets bidder can remove the ability of all the incumbents to stay in business. Instead of educating Congress, the FCC ,and our allies (if we have any) about how freedom to be in business has been the central mechanism by which a vast swath of America has great internet service, we've quibbled over dollars and rules and tried to slant them for us against others - the very thinking we must now defeat. I have said we all stand on freedom, or fall together, and for this I have been branded as a radical, idiot, moron, right wing extremist, and so on - as such principles are, according to the self proclaimed 'wise men' of the group, outdated and unworkable. Until we need them, of course. Even the tortured and twisted explanation below is still trying to defend the big government crapola, and by now, it better be as clear and obvious to you, as a just hammered thumbnail, that NOTHING ELSE MATTERS IF WE DO NOT HAVE THE FREEDOM TO BE IN BUSINESS. I was at founding of WISPA. I was there within a week or two of the interest list being formed, and I joined and donated money, until previous people of WISPA were found by me to be advocating FCC mandates on us. At which I resigned and will not rejoin until my money is no longer at risk of being used against our basic and fundamental freedoms. YEARS have been sqandered, because WISPA failed to advocate for freedom first, a consistent, principled basis for everything said, advocacy positions, etc. Now, you have to suddenly get religion, because EVERYONE's freedom is at stake, even our competition's,. Rather than advocate for that, WISPA now has a history just as compromised as ATT's and every lobbyist's, because it stood for little more than trying to bend the rules to favor US instead of THEM. Expediently, we've discovered that open markets mean open to competition, as well, something not advocated by WISPA before. I said in 2009 that there were people headed for Congress, a sea change coming, and that WISPA needed to get politically allied with the pro freedom crowd. They were called radicals and idiots on this list instead.
Re: [WISPA] Staff Apparel
Lands End. ocs.landsend.com On 5/18/2011 11:54 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: I am looking to dress up my staff a little better. Color Shirts with company name, logo, and employee name. Different colors not just one for the whole week. I have found this to be an issue. All the retail shops want to do a min or 12 like shirts. Basically I have 4 staff that are everywhere from size small to 4X with me doing different names and different colors and different sizes I doubt that I have more than 2 shirts the same. Anyone know of a company that might handle this. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...
For lower speeds, I have used pairs of SDSL modems before. They install as bridges. On 5/6/2011 2:17 PM, Blair Davis wrote: I have a special job to do. I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet connectivity between them. I may NOT use wireless to do this. I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to. Coax, cat3 or cat5, or even fiber if the price is right... Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft. Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft. Site 3 to site 4 is 2400 ft. Looking for options... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Wow. After receiving our letter, our HEAVIEST user called in, concerned. When we described the situation, he TOTALLY changed his behavior and said that: 1. he was canceling his Netflix account 2. he is going back to DVDs for movies 3. he LOVES our service He was the one that really pushed us over the edge to go to FAPs UBB, because his usage was SO FAR above the others. Like 250GB/mo. We told him that he's the one that started us on this path hehehe... So there's something for you... We were worried about HIM the MOST!!! We have received about 10 phone calls from our letter that went out on Friday. 3 of those we switched to higher packages and they're happy, one went HELL YEAH MORE SPEED!!! The others are more just concerned about their usage. When they called, we were armed with all the information they needed on months worth of their usage, mostly telling them they have nothing to worry about, just begin paying the moderate price increase in July and don't worry about the rest. So far, so good... On 5/3/2011 2:36 PM, Mark Nash wrote: I already sent it to you like 30 minutes ago... From a different e-mail account. On 5/3/2011 2:33 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Just don't go postal, but yea sure I'd like to take a look at it. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 13:58:30 -0700 Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :) On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Postal or UPS? :) On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.commailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Dude... The thing is... After a LOT of emotion being pissed at the abusers... I made a decision to do this and craft it in such a way that I am VERY unemotional when it comes to telling our staff how to handle customers. Even though the customer may be emotional at first, if you don't play ball with that emotion and stand firm, you will feel better about it. You may lose some customers...that is the way of things...but on the whole things will be better. On 5/4/2011 2:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: My user does 600 gigs a month. I wonder what he says when our UBB comes in to play. I am hoping I am fortunate as you, Mark =) I am very glad to see things went very smoothly for you! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Wow. After receiving our letter, our HEAVIEST user called in, concerned. When we described the situation, he TOTALLY changed his behavior and said that: 1. he was canceling his Netflix account 2. he is going back to DVDs for movies 3. he LOVES our service He was the one that really pushed us over the edge to go to FAPs UBB, because his usage was SO FAR above the others. Like 250GB/mo. We told him that he's the one that started us on this path hehehe... So there's something for you... We were worried about HIM the MOST!!! We have received about 10 phone calls from our letter that went out on Friday. 3 of those we switched to higher packages and they're happy, one went HELL YEAH MORE SPEED!!! The others are more just concerned about their usage. When they called, we were armed with all the information they needed on months worth of their usage, mostly telling them they have nothing to worry about, just begin paying the moderate price increase in July and don't worry about the rest. So far, so good... On 5/3/2011 2:36 PM, Mark Nash wrote: I already sent it to you like 30 minutes ago... From a different e-mail account. On 5/3/2011 2:33 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Just don't go postal, but yea sure I'd like to take a look at it. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 13:58:30 -0700 Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :) On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Postal or UPS? :) On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :) On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Postal or UPS? :) On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I already sent it to you like 30 minutes ago... From a different e-mail account. On 5/3/2011 2:33 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Just don't go postal, but yea sure I'd like to take a look at it. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 13:58:30 -0700 Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :) On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Postal or UPS? :) On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.commailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
This is even more of a difficult equation, because as ISPs, WE typically are not billed by the GB from OUR upstream providers. We are billed, generally-speaking, by one of two mechanisms: 1. Pipe speed... You pay for 50mbps and that's what you get. It doesn't matter if you only use 20, and if you hit 50 then the network bogs down. But a FIXED bandwidth cost, no danger of going over. 2. High water mark...Commit amount and burst over...usually billed at 95th percentile... In this case you can go at whatever speeds your transports and upstream will allow, and you are billed based on a high water mark for usage. In this case, there is a danger that you will be billed more by YOUR ISP but your network won't be congested at the upstream point. Here, from purely an upstream bandwidth cost perspective, it ONLY matters what people are doing at PEAK times. Our upstream agreement is a #2. (I know that makes a pun but we'll just flush that one right now)... The mechanism we have in place only deals with total monthly GB transferred, not peak time usage, so by placing in a monthly total GB limitation, we are not being very accurate to cost, but we ARE trying to have our customer be aware that they are bandwidth hogs and they need to pay or change or leave. It's at least a step in the right direction. On 5/2/2011 2:59 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Haven't run the numbers, but it doesn't look like this number is taking into consideration staff cost, other overhead such administrative cost, insurance, non-wireless gear and most importantly a reasonable profit margin. Looking at it from the other direction, I currently spend about 20% of opex on bandwidth. Granted an user increasing bandwidth doesn't cost me more in administrative (once we account for UBB), insurance and other non-transport costs, but you do have to remember there is a significant cost to running the network outside of gear and bandwidth so if you figure out the cost per GB to deliver to the customer and all of a sudden the majority start nearing their cap consistently it will be eating into your paycheck. On 5/2/11 4:48 PM, Matt wrote: What is cost per megabit from your upstream? Divide your cost per megabit by 120 to get a good idea of your cost per gigabit at the NOC. If your paying $20 per megabit you would be at 0.17$ per GByte. Figuring your cost on the wireless network is nearly impossible. I am considering: Total cost of AP and BH wireless gear at site and used to feed site. Divided by 24 months. Add any rental. Divided by your total max available bandwidth. Divided by 2. Gives cost Mbps. A site could be six canopy 2.4 AP's and a CMM. Total max available bandwidth would be 60Mbps. Guessing prices. Bandwidth is 20$ Mbps. Price per GByte is 0.18$ I think that's too low but I did not figure/guess any BH gear cost. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
To follow through some thinking here... If that device was Billing-Server-Package-Aware then you could offer a higher level of service for HD customers that allowed the Netflix service to sense a higher-bandwidth connection and it may be more likely to stream in HD than SD. I say offer...the flip side of offer is charge for, at a higher rate, of course. There are always those who gotta have it... On 5/2/2011 3:50 PM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 17:32, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com mailto:coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody worked on allowing streaming video up to lets say 10 Mb total transfer, then knocking THAT stream down to a slow rate? I tried something like that a while back - we got so very many angry phone calls that the boss had us discontinue it in less than a week. We actually didn't try to limit by video type, just any single ongoing TCP transaction, but in practice it only affected audio and video streaming, Microsoft Update, and MMO patches. I'm sure someone out there would be glad to sell you a content-aware filtering device for many thousands of dollars, if you're so inclined. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
Cameron... That is the point of an OSS... an INTEGRATED solution that should help operators realize a net gain from the expense of using it. :) I look forward to seeing how your solution gets rated by WISPs over the next year or so... As operators increasingly succumb to the pressure and the need for UBB, they will look to Wispmon other key players in this area more more. On 4/25/2011 11:21 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers. Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them. Cameron On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Thanks Cameron, Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at. Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity. But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time? You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used. Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used. Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc. Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a dedicated pipe costs? Times, they are a changin' We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used. In my case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how you run the numbers. You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer during peak hours. No sense selling what you can't deliver. We use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them. Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts. That's enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-). For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs. An HD movie is 8 to 10. Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more data to suck it all up. It can use a little or a lot. Usually a lot. We also put a cap on our fiber customers. That's costing us users these days. But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account. It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business. We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps. But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years. They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates. Even higher prices isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the customers. How many movies can you support at once across the average AP? 5? 10 at the most? I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower. Does that help at all? If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I can. 509.988.0260 marlon - Original Message - *From:* Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples? Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps for years. Cameron On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason
Re: [WISPA] Nothing on Ebay
If you did, maybe you could get them to combine shipping if you bought more than one... On 4/1/2011 12:13 PM, Nick White wrote: At least you don't have to pay for shipping! On 4/1/2011 11:36 AM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote: I can find anything on Ebay. How about NOTHING? http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d Place you bid now before NOTHING is left! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nothing on Ebay
I've spend more for less before... On 4/1/2011 12:32 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Local pickup only... in Belgium. Probably well worth the trip though. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Nash *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2011 2:16 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Nothing on Ebay If you did, maybe you could get them to combine shipping if you bought more than one... On 4/1/2011 12:13 PM, Nick White wrote: At least you don't have to pay for shipping! On 4/1/2011 11:36 AM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote: I can find anything on Ebay. How about NOTHING? http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d Place you bid now before NOTHING is left! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform
Would someone please tell me who to get in touch with for this $.35 per account price you're getting? I haven't been able to track anyone down about it. Thanks. Mark On 3/29/2011 6:53 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: All I'm going to say about this is that Gmail made my email headaches go away. No more tracking down spam/antivirus issues, no more webmail issues, no more hardware issues with the servers (disks seemed to fail in an email server more often than a web server). No more people getting their password hacked and thousands of emails being sent out. No more IPs ending up in the SORBS/et. al databases. I tracked email maintenance time and materials for 6 months, and it was well worth the $.35 per email account we spent to let Google do it. It is so easy to tell someone to take their iPhone/Droid phone/et. al and select Google as their email provider and put in their login information. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: You can slice it any way you like... all I can tell you is that ... when you have evaluate honestly how much time is spent by yourself or someone vs how much you have to pay for the service... for example. Paying someone $75/month to keep linux boxes uptodate and secure is a very inexpensive proposition. Paying someone $0.25 per mailbox for high quality spam / virus filtering services is a very inexpensive proposition.. paying $0.35 per mailbox which includes some ridiculous amount of storage and spam / anti virus is a heck of a deal... Unless you need somethings else that is not there... e.g. in our case, we use internal hosted machines that we have 'outsourced' security updates on to a third party... and we pay a different third party for excellent Spam/Virus filtering... our problem was very simple... we provide hosting packages along with email even though what Google and Tucows offer is a great deal.. but we needed options which they don't offer. Maybe next go around we may separate mail from hosting control panel... Your Mileage May Vary. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 3/28/2011 8:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Exactly, out-sourcing just means you just pay for it indirectly, plus their profit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 3/28/2011 5:18 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: It all costs some way. You pay for administration, hardware, etc, whether you outsource or host it yourself. The time savings for me would be well worth $0.35 per user even in the thousands...may not be for others. Cameron On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have the ability to do multiple domains with the Google platform? We also offer hosting services that need email. To do the switch to Gmail I believe you must change all client SMTP and POP3 server settings. Yuk. Also, depending how many email accounts you have $0.35 can really add up especially when in the thousands. I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own server. Personally, I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox with google or other hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep things updated and blocking spam effectively are much more costly. Regards, Cameron On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford mogoo...@gmx.com mailto:mogoo...@gmx.com wrote: http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the requirements that you requested. Frank On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email server MailMax. Because of some support/productivity issues we are investigating integrating a new box. The requirements are: webmail, web management of individuals mail accounts (with password reset), pop3/smtp/imap, can run on Windows or Linux. We would also like a calendar and address book module in webmail as well. Anyone have suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Data Caps and Streaming
awesome! Let's all put data caps in... On 3/29/2011 8:26 AM, Matt wrote: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/data-caps-claim-a-victim-netflix-streaming-video.ars WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform
We are looking for an email solution to replace Everyone.Net. They are $.35 per user. Considering both in-house out-house. On 3/28/2011 3:18 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: It all costs some way. You pay for administration, hardware, etc, whether you outsource or host it yourself. The time savings for me would be well worth $0.35 per user even in the thousands...may not be for others. Cameron On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have the ability to do multiple domains with the Google platform? We also offer hosting services that need email. To do the switch to Gmail I believe you must change all client SMTP and POP3 server settings. Yuk. Also, depending how many email accounts you have $0.35 can really add up especially when in the thousands. I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own server. Personally, I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox with google or other hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep things updated and blocking spam effectively are much more costly. Regards, Cameron On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford mogoo...@gmx.com mailto:mogoo...@gmx.com wrote: http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the requirements that you requested. Frank On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email server MailMax. Because of some support/productivity issues we are investigating integrating a new box. The requirements are: webmail, web management of individuals mail accounts (with password reset), pop3/smtp/imap, can run on Windows or Linux. We would also like a calendar and address book module in webmail as well. Anyone have suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Yeah... We could have our own separate units for 48V 24V. On 3/4/2011 7:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Kevin, Starting to sound like this project is taking shape! Keep me posted and can we get an updated bullet point list of the feature set you are thinking? Maybe the output voltage should be just a simple pass-through from whatever redundant power supplies the end user selects for their PoE equipment? This may help future proof the PoE Controller from possible vendor changes like UBNT is considering. (e.g. 24VDC to 48VDC) Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2011 1:51 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch It'd have a web interface with SNMP support. Yeah, 12 port. Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Yes, better. At this time, we only use AC to power devices. Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features... Also also, number of ports should = 12 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would take about 20. On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that. Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or 48v? I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing? Thanks! Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com *To:*'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Hello Kevin, I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today's PoE's? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted... Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping
Re: [WISPA] Service request
I grew up in LA... I didn't know the street names went that low!!! :) On 3/3/2011 5:01 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 110 East 9th Street x-apple-data-detectors://0 LA CA 90079 x-apple-data-detectors://1 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Who can hit this address? 110 East 9th Street Looking for bus class alternative to dsl. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Yes, better. At this time, we only use AC to power devices. Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features... Also also, number of ports should = 12 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would take about 20. On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that. Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or 48v? I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing? Thanks! Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Hello Kevin, I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today's PoE's? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted... Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Important to establish what we're talking about... We're talking about powering the rackmount PoE device that will power all the other devices. You're wanting that to be DC powered, Cameron? On 3/4/2011 11:37 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: I think every device I ever used on a tower was DC powered. I'd vote for DC over cat-5. Cameron On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Yes, better. At this time, we only use AC to power devices. Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features... Also also, number of ports should = 12 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would take about 20. On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that. Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or 48v? I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing? Thanks! Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Hello Kevin, I’d be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today’s PoE’s? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted… Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put
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Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
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as an alternate to the ultimate box, YES!!! On 3/2/2011 7:52 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What about making a simple chassis for Ubnt POEs? On Mar 2, 2011 10:39 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com mailto:b...@belwave.com wrote: Hello Kevin, I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO. Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge suppression is found in today's PoE's? 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus? 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us. Keep us posted. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
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PoE controller is good, ONLY ONLY ONLY to clean up the PoE mess. Kevin's question was about price and what we would pay. I would not pay $450 per site just to have a cleaner looking installation, especially when I still have to pay for another AC power controller. On 3/3/2011 9:01 AM, Brad Belton wrote: We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we've seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I've also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neatlet's not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Nash *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
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I don't use the Web Power Switch. I use the Ethernet Power Controller...more expensive. Quantity discounts to $229. On 3/3/2011 8:52 AM, Philip Dorr wrote: The Digital Loggers Web Power Switch III is ~$120. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
Michael, I'm not talking about the PoE controller itself being POWERED by AC or DC... I'm talking about the unit itself having a couple AC ports that can power a router switch as well as having PoE ports that can power all of the wireless devices at the site. On 3/3/2011 9:17 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote: We use the inscape data switches/pdu/poe, they work very well can use AC or DC power. They are bit more then the target pricing (I get them for similar to $500). They do 12/18/24 and 802.3, but are limited to a 5 port only model. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Brad Beltonb...@belwave.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:01:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we’ve seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA
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Wow Gino... With respect (because I respect people who can do this)... I try to stay out of Radio Shack when it comes to my business. I used to have to do this, but not anymore. I have people who would love to do this, but I tell them to stay out of that store too...when it comes to the company's wireless solutions. I tend to use readily-available products, it's just my behavior. I have used a vented rack shelf before and some zip ties to get the PoE's to stay in place... It's a mess with the two-part PoE's where the power supply is not part of the PoE, but the UBNT PoE's that are all-in-one go zip-tie on nicer... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120333021316ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT On 3/3/2011 9:38 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: With the Din Rail unit, some cat5 jacks a rack mount box, some diodes and some time you can hack yourself the perfect box Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Michael, I'm not talking about the PoE controller itself being POWERED by AC or DC... I'm talking about the unit itself having a couple AC ports that can power a router switch as well as having PoE ports that can power all of the wireless devices at the site. On 3/3/2011 9:17 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote: We use the inscape data switches/pdu/poe, they work very well can use AC or DC power. They are bit more then the target pricing (I get them for similar to $500). They do 12/18/24 and 802.3, but are limited to a 5 port only model. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Brad Beltonb...@belwave.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:01:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we’ve seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport
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I just called Digital Loggers. The guy on the phone (his name is Thai) told me that there may have been a problem on the older units but the newer ones did not have that problem. I asked him what identifies older and newer units. He said the newer units have the LCD screen. For those of you who have had problems with these, can you confirm this one way or another? On 3/3/2011 10:02 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Hey Cameron, Yah, I remember this topic coming up before, but the failures we've had (that come quickly to mind) are no access to the unit at all. Does the battery issue prevent the unit from working even when power is restored? Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:54 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Brad, A tip on the Loggers 8 port...there is a rechargeable battery inside that doesn't seem to last more than a year. Once it dies, you lose your config and if the device ever looses power, everything comes back in either all off state or all on state. I tossed one logger and then when it happened to a second, I decided to tinker. I got a replacement battery at batteries plus and it started working correctly again, saving my config after a power outage. I'm not sure what can be done about it except to put them on a maintenance schedule. Of course this was on the older devicesmaybe they've gone to flash memory now? Cameron On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com mailto:b...@belwave.com wrote: We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what we've seen out of them the past several years. I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. Maybe this version is more reliable? I've also read that the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and development. While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neatlet's not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller. I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the need? Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their AirControl System management software. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Nash *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Kevin, On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a router or switch. If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 value). Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much. On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was: Remote on/off per port Auto-ping reboot per port Dual-power supply, with notification on fail DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v The one we are working on is 24v output only 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a transformer. If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May. Kevin - Original Message - *From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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LOL the guys at Streakwave or most anywhere else don't have to open up the box and have things fall on them (I'm joking of course...it's been a long time since I was on that tight of a budget. But the point remains...the PoE's create a TON of clutter in a rack/box/enclosure/shed/whatever... On 2/28/2011 9:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thingsigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. (7) Auto-Ping per port. (8) LED Status indicators per port. (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Nash *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports. I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;) On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly. Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3468 - Release Date: 02/25/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
The expensive bit may not be that great of an argument. We're already spending $$$ on other equipment to accomplish the same thing. Add 3 or 4 standard 115V outlets (to power switches and routers - non-PoE devices) and the rest should be PoE. All remotely controlled off on, all with individual ping watchdogs. Make it a 2U, would likely have to. On 2/28/2011 1:44 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing..sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) Of course. (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why does it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network security system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated infrastructure management network right? (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power supplies be hot swappable? (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch for example). That would make the most sense to me. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. Naturally (7) Auto-Ping per port. What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of course you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is a longer outage (like say flashing firmware or something) (8) LED Status indicators per port. Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to being a remote support person that I never expect to have local access. Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw). (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? DC power is a requirement I think. On every model. (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Think you about covered it. One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly dumb/cheap. They already meet all your above requirements (well don't know about redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily be done). From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNbBdHAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtz2UP/1UBbIBjHfM7T5Z0tzO2GtJY 27ztWSH8X826ii+0Q7msSBJxASHFP3wlQFQKP1KiHy/W4GxhJDXeFnFiZKeV+IFp GKsID3Xn7Og83ttVIMRKzX8DMhLwc31GoPkeEh7qix/a1JUACHgH9P9yZSOKCCmZ wD1msdvgop07Q6USTMiiMxe0OCbzzkQbIc0ERmdNjclvlZkJ0Ya0feLeEeag5LoQ 53wolRkpY6MA0lt0VH+3wXb1/mbQxklL9ezKDhmn9s/wwte8CqCL795aBfkVI4Z/ oZuw+00FI5gJGQpQti04MoO0lou6N1N7MEVsFMc6f895rscGXNmjViWTX6QKgplL a7ncy9dQpbc7XQOJSUrSHn5S4O3K/vgpnJ+pK+3TiPTd9YVhOOGUIMA3vwz5BeQ/ gGi8mWrtvaffAeEptQObfx1yf29Vk8qJbpwpXGo1eY+sE4rqeuBeYzPt06lyuSyc fU27hnc52xYulcTVeHXGPFBw+a97m+xbw6Rd7wqHTXEs8WWTFErUQ5+zQdYIMilG u8v95euKSPT7zicvIZubxjLgPwWTQIgSc2/kFkxDW5Z5j3l/JM/7MW72h8WfVN4w AjhVTJbP75VpkazJeLTfsBH8mdGyE21yY8fi35u7U9yh1jyy+OSvOtoeUfssG8CC 8587g27Ezu02NaT2E1cJ =r5jL -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Test
Is it just me or are timestamps off on emails coming through to the general members lists? On 2/28/2011 11:31 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: My emails to wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org are not getting delivered. first one was sent 2 hours ago and still has not gone through - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 11:28 AM *To:* 'WISPA Board Members List'; 'WISPA General List'; 'Principal WISPA Member List'; memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* [WISPA] Test Mailing list traffic is almost non-existent today. I'm just testing to make sure all is operational. Please ignore. I hope everyone faired well through the storms crossing the country over the weekend. Attend the Orlando Service Provider Summit March 23-25 http://fispawispaspring2011.eventbrite.com/ Respectfully,** ** *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3473 - Release Date: 02/28/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with 24 port managed switches from Demarc-Tech
Rick... We had a Dell Gigabit switch go out. I think it was a 5324. What model Proliants are you buying that you love??? On 2/28/2011 1:45 PM, RickG wrote: I had the same issue and canned them. Also, removed my Dell Gigabit switches. Got brand new HP Proliants and love them! On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:40 PM, rwf ralphli...@bsrg.org mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: When Tony Morella and Demarc-Tech was going out of business last year, we bought quite a few of the managed switches he was selling. Within a month, they were dropping like flies. Not dying, but just locking up with all lights on. We asked Tony for assistance but he said he was out of business and to contact some place in China. They never even responded to our requests. I’m asking whether anyone else purchased these dogs and if you are having the same trouble. Does anyone know is there is a firmware update for them? Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ignore: Test delivery delay
I got 10:54 man... On 2/28/2011 10:54 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Sent 10:53 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses
This is the kind of FUD that the world does not need. On 2/4/2011 1:10 PM, Data Technology wrote: http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/policy/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=229201157cid=RSSfeed_IWK_All WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
Normally I don't open a message from MDK for fear of witnessing what I have become accustomed to. It took me a few days to do it, but I did open this thread. And I have to say I don't mind reading it. I may not agree with anything or agree with part, but the point is that I don't mind reading this, whereas I did in the past. For that effort, I say well done Mark. You've found a way to get your points across without clouding the issue with anti-government opinions. Now pay the fee join WISPA and help make change... Those of us who do would appreciate that (money where the mouth is, that kind of thing). On 12/23/2010 11:19 AM, MDK wrote: That was the camel's nose in the tent, so to speak. NN and content regulation is merely some more of the camel through the door and in the tent with you. Rate or price controls, coverage requirements, bandwidth specifications, and so on would be the rest of the camel in the tent. At that point, you don't control your own network, prices, or service. You merely manage a utility that's either going to be the surviving monopoly or go under, as the regulators continue to raise your costs by demanding more from you, while regulating your revenues. If you don't think they'll do that, please research obamacare where in a short period of time, insurers are allowed to: Sign people up. They will not be able to set their own rates, design their own product, or benefit from efficient operations - as required ratio of incoming to outgoing dollars is specified. I'll bet some of you even thought it was a good idea at the time, as long as it's not YOUR business. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:58 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless Yes, by the fact that a private person doing business is forced to report anything to the government is wrong. It breaks the trues spirit of capitalism freedom that this country was founded upon. Sorry to sound extreme but what will they force us to do next? On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I don't think form 477 has anything to do with breaking anything. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/22/2010 12:44 AM, RickG wrote: The first step to breaking the net was form 477. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:57 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place, and then pretending you can fix what you broke by half-baked notions of government created markets... There is NOTHING broke about 'internet' because it hasn't been regulated. Your issue is nothing but a complaint about the results of what should never have been done in the first place. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 6:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless Well, no, what IS PROFOUNDLY BROKEN is that the ILECs are no longer required to be common carriers. They built their network using common carrier privileges. They got their market share using common carrier privileges. And then they turned around and got their common carrier obligations lifted by the profoundly corrupt Cheney-Rove FCC. So now they control the content on their wires, and you can't lease them. That's just wrong. And the Genachowski FCC isn't doing squat about that, though they absolutely have the power to do so. We do need a national common carrier utility. There is a clear distinction between carriage and content. ISPs are content, not carriage. And WISPs are self-provisioned ISPs who deliver content over unlicensed facilities without using a carrier, and without being one. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com http://ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
Agreed thereso then pay for value you receive... I'm sure that you're not a proponent of a handout... Or perhaps you perceive that you don't receive value. Enough said, anyway... On 12/23/2010 12:11 PM, MDK wrote: Hey Mark... This Mark is not anti-government, as in wanting anarchy. I'm still trying to grasp the thinking of people who welcome regulation. Perhaps my understanding is better and thus, I write better. I don't know. Thanks. However, as for giving WISPA money and promoting it... That will happen when or if WISPA officially adopts policies that I can support. But not until then. Don't ask me to change your organization. I was once in it and financially supported it and it took positions contrary to what I can support, so I left. That has to change before I will come back. Simple enough? You (as leaders and members of WISPA) really do have to decide where you're going, and if that's the same way, or close enough, that I can support, I will. Please don't ask me to jump into a contrarian situation, where I'm the odd man out, with an invitation to seek to change your organization around you. That's seriously chaos and results in severe discord. Ya'll don't need that ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net *Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:41 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless Normally I don't open a message from MDK for fear of witnessing what I have become accustomed to. It took me a few days to do it, but I did open this thread. And I have to say I don't mind reading it. I may not agree with anything or agree with part, but the point is that I don't mind reading this, whereas I did in the past. For that effort, I say well done Mark. You've found a way to get your points across without clouding the issue with anti-government opinions. Now pay the fee join WISPA and help make change... Those of us who do would appreciate that (money where the mouth is, that kind of thing). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Muhahahahaha... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Nice Shane... How about a server with no NIC. Now THAT would be a secure server, mostly. But what if a user got to the keyboard? Pull the power supply, now they'll surely not be able to break in... WAIT! There's still data on the hard drive! Better erase that... Dude, this is meant to be in jest, and to make a point. I don't currently run any Windows servers due to the engineer that we had in our office (which we now don't have so we have to rely on outside consultants for Linux expertise). But I ran on them for the first 7 years with our mail server, web server, DNS servers, etc. Anyway... Flame on about Windows servers, people, but the small business world runs on them. For those of you who own your WISPs and don't know anything about servers, don't listen to sensational hype. Take a sensible and tactical approach and do what's right for your business. Any server is just a tool. Pluses minuses. You have to do a cost/benefit analysis with a server just as you would which kind of radio to use in the field, or who to hire to answer your phones. On 12/7/2010 7:47 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: I get scared when I hear Windows and Software in the same sentence. Then when you add Server I usually run. Shane MacDonald KP Performance Antennas On 7-Dec-10, at 8:11 AM, Curtis Maurand wrote: We used Rodopi. If you can handle the fact that its Windows and ASP.NET and MSSQL server, its OK. It works very well and very configurable. We had it set up on Windows Small Business Server, that is the version with MSSQL server. For what its worth. --Curtis WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried calling their sales line. 920-351-1010. Go ahead, call it. I dare you. If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business long ago... Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each. Then you press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit 0 for the operator and you get mailbox not set up. I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on this list about them. On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems? Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus? We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients. I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them. Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc. The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just wonder which maybe better. Shane KP Performance WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Josh, I know that you I have had completely different experiences with them. No problem there, it is what it is. It sounds like you're experiencing what I had hoped to experience from them. My point is that I got very frustrated with their phone system being so made of bubble gum duct tape that it just furthered my already disgruntled impression of them. As a company. I'm looking to buy some of their BMUs. On 12/2/2010 12:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hrm when it comes to sales I just call Kevin directly. That's like once a year. I call support very sparingly. In the last ~16 hours we've emailed back half a dozen times on three topics. Have you tried emailing them? Not saying they shouldn't answer the phone, but rather a solution to the problem. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried calling their sales line. 920-351-1010. Go ahead, call it. I dare you. If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business long ago... Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each. Then you press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit 0 for the operator and you get mailbox not set up. I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on this list about them. On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems? Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus? We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients. I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them. Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc. The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just wonder which maybe better. Shane KP Performance WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. I've got alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner for me but it hasn't. On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried calling their sales line. 920-351-1010. Go ahead, call it. I dare you. If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business long ago... Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each. Then you press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit 0 for the operator and you get mailbox not set up. I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on this list about them. On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems? Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus? We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients. I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them. Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc. The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just wonder which maybe better. Shane KP Performance WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
I agree. Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you intend to integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management. That's where the real power is, though we're having problems still, with about 5 percent of our customers (those who have remote subnets, like a /30 or /29 or /24). Also some little things. Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable. It's just that with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for EVERYTHING to work, in MY environment, and for there to be excellent support. We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of subs that I have. For that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer dedicated to fixing my problems, all day, every day. On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx. I don't understand how so much could be done via shell to begin with (Imagestream). The bmu is what makes the product work for your business. If you just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money. I care most about getting it done. Phone, email, morse code I don't care. On Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. I've got alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner for me but it hasn't. On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried calling their sales line. 920-351-1010. Go ahead, call it. I dare you. If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business long ago... Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each. Then you press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit 0 for the operator and you get mailbox not set up. I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on this list about them. On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems? Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus? We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients. I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them. Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc. The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just wonder which maybe better. Shane KP Performance WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Bandwidth throttling does not work with remote subnets. We have to put in Mikrotik queues for any customer who has a remote subnet. Also delinquent customers do not get shut off if they are using a remote subnet. On 12/2/2010 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What issues with remote subnets? I have no issues with mine. There are missing classes and such that may be fixed soon. On Dec 2, 2010 3:35 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I agree. Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you intend to integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management. That's where the real power is, though we're having problems still, with about 5 percent of our customers (those who have remote subnets, like a /30 or /29 or /24). Also some little things. Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable. It's just that with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for EVERYTHING to work, in MY environment, and for there to be excellent support. We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of subs that I have. For that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer dedicated to fixing my problems, all day, every day. On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx. I don't understand how so much could be done via shell to begin with (Imagestream). The bmu is what makes the product work for your business. If you just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money. I care most about getting it done. Phone, email, morse code I don't care. On Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. I've got alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner for me but it hasn't. On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried calling their sales line. 920-351-1010. Go ahead, call it. I dare you. If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business long ago... Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each. Then you press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit 0 for the operator and you get mailbox not set up. I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on this list about them. On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems? Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus? We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients. I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them. Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc. The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just wonder which maybe better. Shane KP Performance WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
LOL that reminds me of Beavis Butthead, where all things in the world are lumped into two categories: This RULES and THIS SUCKS. Tony, your network may be much bigger than mine so billing problems show up more frequently, but, IMHO, billing is alright, not great, not perfect, just good. It's not an accounting package, and our bookkeeper seems to get what she needs out of it to do the books every month. About half of my customers pay with a check, and we put it in through Powercode, so I think your comment about forget it in powercode is a little extreme. On 12/2/2010 1:00 PM, Tony C. Loosle wrote: Powercode may be great with the BMU, but as for a billing system is really sucks! Forget about basic accounting reports and simply things like a check deposit. Yes, customers still pay with a check. Forget about it in powercode! I agree. Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you intend to integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management. That's where the real power is, though we're having problems still, with about 5 percent of our customers (those who have remote subnets, like a /30 or /29 or /24). Also some little things. Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable. It's just that with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for EVERYTHING to work, in MY environment, and for there to be excellent support. We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of subs that I have. For that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer dedicated to fixing my problems, all day, every day. On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx. I don't understand how so much could be done via shell to begin with (Imagestream). The bmu is what makes the product work for your business. If you just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money. I care most about getting it done. Phone, email, morse code I don't care. On Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. I've got alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner for me but it hasn't. On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried calling their sales line. 920-351-1010. Go ahead, call it. I dare you. If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business long ago... Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each. Then you press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit 0 for the operator and you get mailbox not set up. I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on this list about them. On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems? Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus? We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients. I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them. Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc. The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just wonder which maybe better. Shane KP Performance -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
This is what I'm talking about though, Josh. We identified this problem late in 2009. We were told it would be fixed. I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, but I know that's how it sounds. There are no other words to use. On 12/2/2010 1:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: That's what I was referring to, too. They aren't applied to a class. I was told that will be fixed. Glad there aren't MORE things to be concerned about. On Dec 2, 2010 3:54 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Bandwidth throttling does not work with remote subnets. We have to put in Mikrotik queues for any customer who has a remote subnet. Also delinquent customers do not get shut off if they are using a remote subnet. On 12/2/2010 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What issues with remote subnets? I have no issues with mine. There are missing classes and such that may be fixed soon. On Dec 2, 2010 3:35 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I agree. Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you intend to integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management. That's where the real power is, though we're having problems still, with about 5 percent of our customers (those who have remote subnets, like a /30 or /29 or /24). Also some little things. Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable. It's just that with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for EVERYTHING to work, in MY environment, and for there to be excellent support. We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of subs that I have. For that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer dedicated to fixing my problems, all day, every day. On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx. I don't understand how so much could be done via shell to begin with (Imagestream). The bmu is what makes the product work for your business. If you just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money. I care most about getting it done. Phone, email, morse code I don't care. On Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. I've got alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner for me but it hasn't. On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried calling their sales line. 920-351-1010. Go ahead, call it. I dare you. If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business long ago... Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each. Then you press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit 0 for the operator and you get mailbox not set up. I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on this list about them. On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems? Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus? We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients. I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them. Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc. The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just wonder which maybe better. Shane KP Performance WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
I think it goes deeper than that. It seems that if Bertram Wireless can use it, it gets done. If UnwiredWest needs it, well they're just a paying customer... On 12/2/2010 1:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Oh I know what you mean. It seems they didn't care about anything until Simon showed up. I think we completed the 477 tool and I have seen a couple changes/corrections myself, do I feel a lot better in the last month or two. On Dec 2, 2010 4:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: This is what I'm talking about though, Josh. We identified this problem late in 2009. We were told it would be fixed. I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, but I know that's how it sounds. There are no other words to use. On 12/2/2010 1:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: That's what I was referring to, too. They aren't applied to a class. I was told that will be fixed. Glad there aren't MORE things to be concerned about. On Dec 2, 2010 3:54 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Bandwidth throttling does not work with remote subnets. We have to put in Mikrotik queues for any customer who has a remote subnet. Also delinquent customers do not get shut off if they are using a remote subnet. On 12/2/2010 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What issues with remote subnets? I have no issues with mine. There are missing classes and such that may be fixed soon. On Dec 2, 2010 3:35 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I agree. Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you intend to integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management. That's where the real power is, though we're having problems still, with about 5 percent of our customers (those who have remote subnets, like a /30 or /29 or /24). Also some little things. Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable. It's just that with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for EVERYTHING to work, in MY environment, and for there to be excellent support. We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of subs that I have. For that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer dedicated to fixing my problems, all day, every day. On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx. I don't understand how so much could be done via shell to begin with (Imagestream). The bmu is what makes the product work for your business. If you just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money. I care most about getting it done. Phone, email, morse code I don't care. On Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. I've got alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner for me but it hasn't. On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried calling their sales line. 920-351-1010. Go ahead, call it. I dare you. If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business long ago... Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each. Then you press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit 0 for the operator and you get mailbox not set up. I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on this list about them. On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Dunno man, and it's probably not worth bothering her over unless it's important to you to know how she does it (let me know if you'd like to know). I know that we don't record invoices or payments in Quickbooks. On 12/2/2010 2:48 PM, Tony C. Loosle wrote: the reports don't exisit. how does she get a list of paid checks out of the system to match up for a deposit? I would love to know that one! LOL that reminds me of Beavis Butthead, where all things in the world are lumped into two categories: This RULES and THIS SUCKS. Tony, your network may be much bigger than mine so billing problems show up more frequently, but, IMHO, billing is alright, not great, not perfect, just good. It's not an accounting package, and our bookkeeper seems to get what she needs out of it to do the books every month. About half of my customers pay with a check, and we put it in through Powercode, so I think your comment about forget it in powercode is a little extreme. On 12/2/2010 1:00 PM, Tony C. Loosle wrote: Powercode may be great with the BMU, but as for a billing system is really sucks! Forget about basic accounting reports and simply things like a check deposit. Yes, customers still pay with a check. Forget about it in powercode! I agree. Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you intend to integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management. That's where the real power is, though we're having problems still, with about 5 percent of our customers (those who have remote subnets, like a /30 or /29 or /24). Also some little things. Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable. It's just that with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for EVERYTHING to work, in MY environment, and for there to be excellent support. We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of subs that I have. For that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer dedicated to fixing my problems, all day, every day. On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx. I don't understand how so much could be done via shell to begin with (Imagestream). The bmu is what makes the product work for your business. If you just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money. I care most about getting it done. Phone, email, morse code I don't care. On Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. I've got alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner for me but it hasn't. On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried calling their sales line. 920-351-1010. Go ahead, call it. I dare you. If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business long ago... Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each. Then you press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit 0 for the operator and you get mailbox not set up. I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on this list about them. On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems? Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus? We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients. I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them. Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc. The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just wonder which maybe better. Shane KP Performance -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
[WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude
I'd like to hear from people who have switched from one of these free products to the other. I'm considering a switch from Nagios to The Dude myself, but I'd like to hear pros cons of either. What did you switch from/to, and why? Thanks ! Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude
We have Nagios for monitoring/alerting on: - wireless network components : up/down, flapping, signal levels, is ssh interface responding? - routers: up/down, flapping, utilization, is ssh interface responding? - UPS: up/down, battery capacity, battery status, internal temperature, line power status, load capacity, is telnet interface responding? - PDU (power distribution unit): up/down, is telnet interface responding? - switches: up/down, is telnet interface responding? - cluster monitoring (alert if XX number of CPEs of a particular AP goes into Warning, Critical, or Down status) - linux server: up/down, current load, current users, rootpartition status, swap memory usage, total processes, are web ssh interfaces responding? Cacti for graphing: - routers: interface traffic counters, CPU usage, memory usage - linux servers: disk space, CPU usage, load average, memory usage, - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude What are you using it for? If it's for monitoring servers (disk/cpu usage and such) Dude is a joke. If it's for an easy GUI to position things relative to one another, Nagios is going to be difficult. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'd like to hear from people who have switched from one of these free products to the other. I'm considering a switch from Nagios to The Dude myself, but I'd like to hear pros cons of either. What did you switch from/to, and why? Thanks ! Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone remember Kaypro WordStar?). I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN. I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I didn't execute. Oh well. - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature... Maybe one day - Auto-Everything. Just take it out of the box and plug it in. It figures out what to do where... They can call it AIRverywhere Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel FYI I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, lesson learned the hard way... But the latest includes channel hopping and Auto channel. I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my UBNT radios. But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been SOLID for me for a week now. I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me. My noise floor was all over the place. SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel. Smooth as silk! My interference is now GONE. My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average. Running 5GHz on all links I call this one a WIN! As I said, FYI. Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta. It's about time! J Just sharing. Me- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
We used those computers for packet sniffers at the university long ago... We called them lunchboxes - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel My first LAPtop was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg. On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone remember Kaypro WordStar?). I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN. I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I didn't execute. Oh well. - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature... Maybe one day - Auto-Everything. Just take it out of the box and plug it in. It figures out what to do where... They can call it AIRverywhere Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel FYI I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, lesson learned the hard way... But the latest includes channel hopping and Auto channel. I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my UBNT radios. But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been SOLID for me for a week now. I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me. My noise floor was all over the place. SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel. Smooth as silk! My interference is now GONE. My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average. Running 5GHz on all links I call this one a WIN! As I said, FYI. Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta. It's about time! J Just sharing. Me- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Systems Management - Process
This is lengthy, but worth discussion, I think... I just had a long meeting with our general manager about Systems Management (monitoring, documenting, updating, etc) Let me explain... We ALL have systems to 1. monitor our network 2. document our systems (IP addresses, equipment type, etc) 3. document our IP usage (subnets, routing, etc) We probably all have this information in different places. As our networks and number of devices grow these systems can get out-of-hand and OUT-OF SYNC with each other! Unless there is a good process in place to ensure that these systems get updated when components on our networks are added/removed/replaced/changed. For instance... A new customer is added to our network... Information about that new customer goes into: - billing (several things here...email address verified, pro-rate amount added for first month, valid billing address, name spelled correctly, correct price, contract signed stored, etc) - nagios (to monitor) - IP documentation (so we don't duplicate IPs) - equipment documentation (so we know what we're dealing with if we have to go out there again) - name the association on the AP so it's easily identifiable Then if that customer cancels... - remove from billing - remove from Nagios (so we stop monitoring) - remove from IP documentation (so we can re-use that IP) - remove equipment documentation Or if that customer has to change towers on our network... - change monitored IP address - change IP documentation (so we can re-use the old IP) - change equipment documentation (if necessary) - name the association on the new AP so it's easily identifiable Now let's consider replacing a backhaul goes down... - change the routing to go to use a backup backhaul (we're using manual re-routing, not autmatic) - change the hierarchy in our monitoring system (we use Nagios Parents so that devices that are behind a Down device is not Down itself, just Unreachable - saves the inbox from getting blasted if a backhaul goes down - change the monitored IP address for the router at that site so we're monitoring an IP address that is going over the backup backhaul Then you get it back up and you have to change these things back. My point of all of this is that there are a TON of details to take care of, and if you try to grow fast you need systems and protocol in place to deal with all of this information. Things get forgotten about, and your system can be a mess before you know it. We have used the method of using checklists for client changes (new customer, repair order, disconnect). We're just now getting into cleaning up our systems documentation on infrastructure components (routers backhauls APs - OH MY!!!). We have alot of information about the initial deployment of infrastructure equipment, but as changes have happened, we have not kept up with it. So we're looking at expanding upon our checklists for when infrastructure components are deployed/changed/removed. We think this will help the chaos. How about you? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process
We have a 2-pronged approach, actually... Tech brings checklist back, someone in office processes it and slaps tech around if not complete or accurate enough to process... :) With the right person in the office, this is just beginning to show signs of progress. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process I can tell you how I solved these problems but it might start a big thread again... The key is to force the documentation, activity (monitoring, cpe function) and billing in sync. I've not seen multiple applications stay together by human hand. Maybe it would work if someone's entire job was dedicated to it. On Nov 5, 2010 5:36 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process
Yeah, when your goal is 2-3 COMPLETED installs per day, that system quickly gets out of hand ;). Other companies on this list go for far more than me, too. - Original Message - From: Robert West To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process My old system of writing it all on the back my business cards and discarded Burger King napkins found on the floor of the van worked for awhile but quickly failed. Napkins sometimes got used for other purposes after they had the information on them so I have a no napkin rule as a result. Paper Plates are a better choice, I found. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process I can tell you how I solved these problems but it might start a big thread again... The key is to force the documentation, activity (monitoring, cpe function) and billing in sync. I've not seen multiple applications stay together by human hand. Maybe it would work if someone's entire job was dedicated to it. On Nov 5, 2010 5:36 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process
Also, we USED to have HUMONGOUS discrepancies in setting speed limits for customers before the traffic management was integrated with the billing system. We use Powercode for this right now. In the beginning, we speed limited people at each AP. The biggest problem then was that people were not limited at all (this happened quite a bit), until I went in and mandated that every AP on our system was pre-populated with a 512k limit for every IP address on its subnet. That did bring up the issue invevitably as people felt their connection was slow. That took a load off of our systems being out of sync with our billing at least, then it was mainly monitoring and keeping track of IP addresses equipment types. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process I can tell you how I solved these problems but it might start a big thread again... The key is to force the documentation, activity (monitoring, cpe function) and billing in sync. I've not seen multiple applications stay together by human hand. Maybe it would work if someone's entire job was dedicated to it. On Nov 5, 2010 5:36 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fade Margin Calculation
Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOSWe are in the process of going through our wireless network and expanding on what Nagios can do for us, like ReceiveSignalLevels. This will allow us to monitor changes in signal levels and record history to see where we have signal loss problems. Nagios allows you to set 3 statuses, OK, Warning, and Critical. Currently, across the board, we have established baselines for signal levels on each side of our backhauls, and told Nagios to report Warning if the signal drops 5dB. If the signal drops by 10dB, go to Critical. Given that we need to allow for more of a fade margin for longer links than shorter links... Question: Does anyone have a calculation that you use for fade margin that accounts for target RSSI distance? We are using 5GHz unlicensed links solely. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
Fair enough. I also get bitchy sometimes when conversations go awry and the point is lost for something I care about, so...sorry for my part in that like I hope the guy's question about install vehicles actually got ANSWERED ;) You get what you pay for. In the Mikrotik router game for port density there seems to be no middle ground where we have 10 or 12 ports but not with the horsepower that's out there now. I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to include a switch: 2 for backhauls 3 for APs 1 for UPS 1 for remote power control unit 1 for laptop access when technician is there I want to put these EVERYWHERE, and I don't want to pay $1400 just to add a router at every tower. I've got 20 towers and I know others have way more than that. 20x$1400=$28000. 20x$400=$8000. There are towers that I could use 3 or 4 more for additional access points, and some that need additional throughput and in those cases I could go for the higher end models. I just looked at the docs for the RB1100... It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability The two questions I have: 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group? 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this? - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Well That's not what I said. You took that leap. :-) I only did so because your quoted price was in the range of the x86 systems. I didn't intend to offend, just thought it was funny that the comparison was made. If it wasn't intentional and I read it wrong, then I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion. Fair enough? What I said was that we need port density. That was no joke. I agree. I have mentioned to MT that they need to build a switch with more than 5 ports, too. Of course, the response was deadly silent. Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply. My suggestion for this is to use whatever box you are gonna need and a low cost managed switch that you can vlan. You can buy Cisco switches off the secondary market for peanuts these days. That gives you the physical ports and you can back it with whatever horsepower you may want/need. If you want it all in one box, then you can build an rb800 with the expansion board for even more ports than you'd get in an rb1100 (and more power, too). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
thanks Scott. Does that mean that you can't bridge ports together that don't exist in the same switch group? - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? 2 Switch groups means you can either put any or all of the ports in a switch or any or all can be routed. The bypass is a pair of ports that if the power goes away are physically connected, so data just bypasses the router. On 11/1/2010 11:15 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Fair enough. I also get bitchy sometimes when conversations go awry and the point is lost for something I care about, so...sorry for my part in that like I hope the guy's question about install vehicles actually got ANSWERED ;) You get what you pay for. In the Mikrotik router game for port density there seems to be no middle ground where we have 10 or 12 ports but not with the horsepower that's out there now. I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to include a switch: 2 for backhauls 3 for APs 1 for UPS 1 for remote power control unit 1 for laptop access when technician is there I want to put these EVERYWHERE, and I don't want to pay $1400 just to add a router at every tower. I've got 20 towers and I know others have way more than that. 20x$1400=$28000. 20x$400=$8000. There are towers that I could use 3 or 4 more for additional access points, and some that need additional throughput and in those cases I could go for the higher end models. I just looked at the docs for the RB1100... It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability The two questions I have: 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group? 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this? - Original Message - From: Butch Evansbut...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Well That's not what I said. You took that leap. :-) I only did so because your quoted price was in the range of the x86 systems. I didn't intend to offend, just thought it was funny that the comparison was made. If it wasn't intentional and I read it wrong, then I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion. Fair enough? What I said was that we need port density. That was no joke. I agree. I have mentioned to MT that they need to build a switch with more than 5 ports, too. Of course, the response was deadly silent. Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply. My suggestion for this is to use whatever box you are gonna need and a low cost managed switch that you can vlan. You can buy Cisco switches off the secondary market for peanuts these days. That gives you the physical ports and you can back it with whatever horsepower you may want/need. If you want it all in one box, then you can build an rb800 with the expansion board for even more ports than you'd get in an rb1100 (and more power, too). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
HEY INDUSTRY!!! WE NEED MORE OF THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT OBVIOUSLY... ;) Seriously, we are hungry for this type of port density that doesn't cost us $1400... - Original Message - From: Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? Any idea if this batch will last with dealers until they get the following shipment? Otherwise I'm looking at having to order a half-year's supply right away just in case. (nice thing about MT is one can afford to overbuy to absorb their supply chain issues...) On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:49 -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote: You and about 30 other WISPs are looking for them. Last I heard was end of November. My earliest expectation (this is VERY optimistic guess) is third week of November. That's what I'm told from MT and shippers. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
Well Butch you like very much to tell people that's not what I said when someone disagrees with you. Well That's not what I said. You took that leap. I wasn't comparing x86...don't even remember typing those characters on my keyboard. What I said was that we need port density. That was no joke. Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 15:31 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Seriously, we are hungry for this type of port density that doesn't cost us $1400... I suppose you are comparing the x86 routers that are available out there to the 1100? It's good to tell jokes on Fridays. I've always liked the Friday Funnies on these lists. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email hosting
Andy, how do you like your Atmail? Are you using their hosted service, or do you have your own server? How is it for allowing domain admins to administer their own domains, while still letting the ISP have access to ALL accounts? It looks like the user is in control of their own spam settings, right? Is that working well? How is the support from Atmail? We're looking at hosting our own mail again, not 3rd-party hosting any more. Thanks for the info! Mark - Original Message - From: Andy Trimmell To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting We've been using @Mail for quite some time. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting We're using Courier Mail. www.tallon.com handles the servers for us. We've had very little trouble with it. I'm thinking of tucows though. Just not sure if I can justify the increase in costs vs. what my in-house costs are. marlon - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting We used to use Squirrel Mail and I though it was unprofessional. The Everyone.Net web interface is very good. It looks alot like Roundcube... - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting I think Horde has definitely gotten better. I'll check out the others. martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter On 9/21/2010 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface ishard to use. Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had itand Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite. Josh LuthmanOffice: 937-552-2340Direct: 937-552-23431100 Wayne StSuite 1337Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote:We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy touse. Martha HuizengaDC Access, LLC202-546-5898Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!Connecting the Capitol Hill CommunityJoin us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote: What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? Weare considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need anemail client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky thanthe older web clients we were used to. On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos ServersBut if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service beforeGoogle. Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don'tmarket to yours and our customers. Regards. Faisal ImtiazSnappy Internet Telecom On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote: Hello, We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider forabout 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased withtheir service and have decided to make a change. Last time it was a bitof a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we canstick with for a long time. What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ userrange? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by servicereliability. Does anyone have experience with Google mail services forbusiness? It is one among several we are considering. WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom. The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody else who opens my fridge knows, though. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 permail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Yeah... and that's one of the reasons I keep THAT friend around... ;) I stopped doing math in high school as soon as I could. There's just no time in the day with 4 music classes on the schedule... - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place my projector. There are more uses then people think. On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom. The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody else who opens my fridge knows, though. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 permail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Yeah that's what we do now. I'd like to save the 2nd trip to the first site. ;) - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment What we just did this month for SAF Lumina: Site 1, install it all Site 2, install it all, align Site 1, align We did cheat (compared it to a 5Ghz dish that we are upgrading). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
(sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Whoa declination is very important. Wikipedia has a link to a NOAA calculator where you put in your ZIP code (or GPS coordinates), date, tell it to compute your declination. Then you have to know how to calculate it. Here's the link: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodels/Declination.jsp You WILL be several degress off if you don't adjust for it on your compass. - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You also need to make sure that the software is taking into account magnetic declination, or that you know what your declination is if it is giving azimuth from true north. If you don't know what declination is, look it up. Otherwise you'll be several degrees off. Cameron On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
I wonder how accurate(ish) a GPS compass app would be on the iphone/blackberry/android. Plug in the GPS coordinates of the other side and may get the link pretty close??? At least close enough to know that you're pointing it in the right direction (picture fog all around you on the tower...staring out into nothing but fog...don't know which way is which due to winding roads to the tower). If you're close enough, you will get a link when you put the other end of the link up, and you can at LEAST peak the 2nd dish, then go back to the first. If you're way off, they won't link, and you end up spinning your wheels. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Wow what an awesome range of responses. What a value to WISPA, eh? Thanks everyone! We've definitely improved our practices today... Mark - Original Message - From: Jim Patient To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment We hillbilly them up all the time and most of the time don't need to go back to tower 1. Every once in a while we might have to go back and tweak the alignment a little. I use Delorme Topo USA and a GPS receiver on my laptop. Mark both locations and draw a line between the towers. Zoom in and start walking directly away from the tower in the direction of the link and keep the little arrow thingy on the line. I go out a few hundred feet, make sure I'm on the line and drop a direction target to shoot at. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com www.wifimidwest.com On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
I can respect your frustration, Forbes. Some may remember a thread that I brought up Is RIP Stable because our network engineer swore up down that RIP was flaky between two sites and the upstream router was dropping all the routes to this site every few minutes etc etc etc yada yada yada blah blah blah. Knowing that it just didn't seem right, I told him that something is configured incorrectly and that's that. I made our manager sit down with him and watch him go over the RIP config line by line. Since Mikrotik doesn't allow you to put comments on each network or neighbor statement, had to look up each IP in our documentation. Was time-consuming, but he found HIS mistake. ;) My point is, keep working from your edge back and you'll find it. Persistence. Good luck. Mark - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager The response to my request has been overwhelming, this morning it was amazing, response after great response. Because of the strong insistence that Mikrotik is so great we are trying to make it work. Dennis helped a lot by setting up remote sys log using software we already have. We are setting up Network Monitoring, as we speak and we are already catching some culprits that have been causing a little havoc. With our upgrade to 100MB next week we wanted hardware that can handle it, this is a learning process and we're so happy to have had the help in better understanding networks. We won't overreact and just dump Mikrotik but now with the ability to maybe catch what's causing the problem we can rest a little easier knowing that when it happens, and it will, we can read the log file and hope it's something so simple we'll just kick ourselves, as Dennis said, we hope so. The offers for help included three members committing to fly up there this weekend if we need them, Wow what a great group of people here! Thanks to everyone for their help, it's the best of WISPA when everyone pitches in to help a WISP in trouble. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Check this Trencher out
Let's all chip in and buy 5, regionally. - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:43 AM Subject: [WISPA] Check this Trencher out http://www.lineward.com/products.html -- Thanks, Cameron Kilton Project Manager WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MUM USA
Butch... Were you at the MUM? My guy Justin was trying to get ahold of you... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MUM USA On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 07:34 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I thought MUM was the word. No...BIRD is the word(or haven't you heard?) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MUM USA
He wasn't there. He's trying to get ahold of you to give you some consulting $$ :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MUM USA On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 20:02 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Butch... Were you at the MUM? My guy Justin was trying to get ahold of you... I was there for sure. I spoke to nearly all 100+ people in attendance, so it's likely I talked to him. Which Justin? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email hosting
Josh, have you set up multiple domains within Gmail? For the number of users we're talking about? - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting I've used Gmail for a couple of years now. No cost, no issues. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Justin Mann justinl...@unwiredwest.com wrote: Hello, We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with their service and have decided to make a change. Last time it was a bit of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can stick with for a long time. What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service reliability. Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for business? It is one among several we are considering. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email hosting
We used to use Squirrel Mail and I though it was unprofessional. The Everyone.Net web interface is very good. It looks alot like Roundcube... - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting I think Horde has definitely gotten better. I'll check out the others. martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter On 9/21/2010 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface is hard to use. Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had it and Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote: We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy to use. Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote: What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than the older web clients we were used to. On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before Google. Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't market to yours and our customers. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote: Hello, We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with their service and have decided to make a change. Last time it was a bit of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can stick with for a long time. What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service reliability. Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for business? It is one among several we are considering. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email hosting
Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, Zimbra seems very full-featured and very pricey over time... I was looking at the appliances. - Original Message - From: Michael Baird To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting Zimbra is ahead of all of those, and it is a complete system that scales very well and is based on open software. Regards Michael Baird I think Horde has definitely gotten better. I'll check out the others. martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter On 9/21/2010 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface is hard to use. Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had it and Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote: We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy to use. Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote: What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than the older web clients we were used to. On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before Google. Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't market to yours and our customers. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote: Hello, We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with their service and have decided to make a change. Last time it was a bit of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can stick with for a long time. What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service reliability. Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for business? It is one among several we are considering. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Email hosting
That sounds attractive. I made the ultimate decision to move to outsourced email due to one driving factor: fear. Fear of losing our server and not having a backup, or having a backup that was too old. Nightly backups of the mail server is just not enough. With this many users, email is being delivered non-stop, so if you don't have up-to-the-moment mirroring, you've lost data when your server goes down. - Original Message - From: Tom Fadgen tfad...@coastinet.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting I use a fully redundant(2) mail server setup from Netwinsite.com called Surgemail. It has a very good webmail interface, fast, and it runs on Linux or Windows. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:23:23AM -0700, Justin Mann wrote: Hello, We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with their service and have decided to make a change. Last time it was a bit of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can stick with for a long time. We migrated an acquired domain from Everyone.net to our server running FreeBSD, Cyrus-IMAPd, Postfix, Squirrelmail and Roundcube mail. Everyone.net does way too much advertising to the users. If you don't want to run your own, find a WISP you like nearby, or not if you worry about competition, who does. Pay them what you have been paying Everyone.net. Keep it in the family. 60 domains with 1000 accounts is a pretty easy add to an existing ISP style system, or a complete seperate (possibly virtual) mail server. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email hosting
Their demo of their web client looks awesome... What's the pricing like? We're paying $.35 to $.45 for accounts now. Per domain branding? How was the migration? - Original Message - From: Layne Sisk la...@serverplus.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting We use BlueTie and just recently migrated about 10,000 more users to their service. Tasks, calendaring, contacts, and up to 10G of storage. We found it was cheaper than doing it in-house, and better. You can get a trial account at their website www.bluetie.com, and test it out. If you like it let me know and I can help you out with more info and pricing. -Layne Layne Sisk www.ServerPlus.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Mann Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:23 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Email hosting Hello, We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with their service and have decided to make a change. Last time it was a bit of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can stick with for a long time. What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service reliability. Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for business? It is one among several we are considering. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment
We don't charge for trees or something that should have been handled at the
time of install.
When we bill, we bill at $80/hr, 1/2 hr minimum, one-way drive time.
- Original Message -
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment
Yep, trees = our fault, our cost. If they want it moved for
aesthetics, etc., normal service rate.
We do 1/2 price installs for customers that move.
On 9/20/2010 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Same here.
If they want it moved because it was on their barn and want it
elsewhere, that's a charge.
If it's simple tree growth, no charge. If our mounting falls off
because of the wrong screw, no charge.
Basically if it is our fault or poor foresight no charge but if they
want something special we charge.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com wrote:
If it's tree growth, no. That means we messed up during install.
If the customers moves to a new house, we recharge the installation fee.
Marco
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:52 PM, ~NGL~n...@ngl.net wrote:
Do you charge when you have to relocate and rewire the equipment at a
clients location, because the trees have grown to a point where the
signal
is very weak? If so at what rate?
NGL
--
From: Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:19 PM
To:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol
Thanks guys!
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 9/20/2010 3:14 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
DA5W-29-DP-FEED
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
wrote:
I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns. Anyone
have a part number for them?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection
U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 9/17/2010 5:42 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:36, Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
mailto:ch...@uplogon.com wrote:
We have some older Pac Wireless 2' 5.8Mhz 29db parabolic
dishes
serving
as a PtP link. We are going to be upgrading the radios
connected
to
these dishes, and the new radios support dual polarity. Does
anyone
know if you can just swap out the feed horn on the dishes from
single
pol to dual pol? Would sure be easier than hauling up a whole
new
dish
setup. If this would work, anyone got sources that i can buy
just
a
feed horn? Thanks.
I forget where we bought the feedhorns from, but this can be done.
We actually just replaced two of them, doing exactly what you
describe.
There was a catch, though. The feedhorn has two N connectors, a few
inches and ninety degrees apart. One of the two dishes had a
smaller
hole in the center, and my climber had to take up snips and a rasp,
and
basically put a small notch in the center of the dish, to get the
new
feedhorn to fit. The other dish was older, or newer, or something,
and
already had a suitable small notch in the center.
David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Most effective Marketing / Advertisement
road signs - 7 word of mouth - 6 but takes a long time direct mail - 4 service trucks - 3 The trick is to use multiple so that you get 3-4 (touches) to your potential client to gain a trust. - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: motor...@afmug.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: [WISPA] Most effective Marketing / Advertisement What have been the most effective Marketing or Advertising tools some of you have used? Rated 0-10, 0 being worst, 10 being Best For us: Newspaper Advertisement -- 0 Road Signs -- 7 Direct Mail -- 2 Demo Trucks -- 5 Billboards -- 3 Word of Mouth -- 7 -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment
This is not an accounting issue.
Unless you're married to or otherwise entangled with said accountant.
Then it's an accounting issue.
- Original Message -
From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment
That was my thought, but the accountant disagrees.
Thanx
--
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:13 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment
Yep, trees = our fault, our cost. If they want it moved for
aesthetics, etc., normal service rate.
We do 1/2 price installs for customers that move.
On 9/20/2010 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Same here.
If they want it moved because it was on their barn and want it
elsewhere, that's a charge.
If it's simple tree growth, no charge. If our mounting falls off
because of the wrong screw, no charge.
Basically if it is our fault or poor foresight no charge but if they
want something special we charge.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com
wrote:
If it's tree growth, no. That means we messed up during install.
If the customers moves to a new house, we recharge the installation
fee.
Marco
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:52 PM, ~NGL~n...@ngl.net wrote:
Do you charge when you have to relocate and rewire the equipment at a
clients location, because the trees have grown to a point where the
signal
is very weak? If so at what rate?
NGL
--
From: Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:19 PM
To:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol
Thanks guys!
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 9/20/2010 3:14 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
DA5W-29-DP-FEED
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
wrote:
I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns.
Anyone
have a part number for them?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection
U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 9/17/2010 5:42 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:36, Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
mailto:ch...@uplogon.com wrote:
We have some older Pac Wireless 2' 5.8Mhz 29db parabolic
dishes
serving
as a PtP link. We are going to be upgrading the radios
connected
to
these dishes, and the new radios support dual polarity. Does
anyone
know if you can just swap out the feed horn on the dishes
from
single
pol to dual pol? Would sure be easier than hauling up a
whole
new
dish
setup. If this would work, anyone got sources that i can buy
just
a
feed horn? Thanks.
I forget where we bought the feedhorns from, but this can be done.
We actually just replaced two of them, doing exactly what you
describe.
There was a catch, though. The feedhorn has two N connectors, a
few
inches and ninety degrees apart. One of the two dishes had a
smaller
hole in the center, and my climber had to take up snips and a
rasp,
and
basically put a small notch in the center of the dish, to get the
new
feedhorn to fit. The other dish was older, or newer, or something,
and
already had a suitable small notch in the center.
David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment
We do pay attention to those variables.
- Original Message -
From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment
We don't charge only because we are in a competitive environment and
sell to business that have contracts; thus we can charge more on the MTM
rates. If you're the only game in town I see no reason why not to charge
(might as well take advantage of being a monopoly), but if they could
leave to go somewhere else then it really comes down to what your ROI is
and if you can afford to lose a customer.
On 09/20/2010 05:38 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Right, it's an operational/procedural issue.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote:
This is not an accounting issue.
Unless you're married to or otherwise entangled with said accountant.
Then it's an accounting issue.
- Original Message -
From: ~NGL~n...@ngl.net
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment
That was my thought, but the accountant disagrees.
Thanx
--
From: Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:13 PM
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment
Yep, trees = our fault, our cost. If they want it moved for
aesthetics, etc., normal service rate.
We do 1/2 price installs for customers that move.
On 9/20/2010 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Same here.
If they want it moved because it was on their barn and want it
elsewhere, that's a charge.
If it's simple tree growth, no charge. If our mounting falls off
because of the wrong screw, no charge.
Basically if it is our fault or poor foresight no charge but if they
want something special we charge.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com
wrote:
If it's tree growth, no. That means we messed up during install.
If the customers moves to a new house, we recharge the installation
fee.
Marco
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:52 PM, ~NGL~n...@ngl.netwrote:
Do you charge when you have to relocate and rewire the equipment at
a
clients location, because the trees have grown to a point where the
signal
is very weak? If so at what rate?
NGL
--
From: Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:19 PM
To:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol
Thanks guys!
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection
U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 9/20/2010 3:14 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
DA5W-29-DP-FEED
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris
Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
wrote:
I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns.
Anyone
have a part number for them?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection
U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 9/17/2010 5:42 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:36, Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
mailto:ch...@uplogon.comwrote:
We have some older Pac Wireless 2' 5.8Mhz 29db parabolic
dishes
serving
as a PtP link. We are going to be upgrading the radios
connected
to
these dishes, and the new radios support dual polarity.
Does
anyone
know if you can just swap out the feed horn on the dishes
from
single
pol to dual pol? Would sure be easier than hauling up a
whole
new
dish
setup. If this would work, anyone got sources that i can
buy
just
a
feed horn? Thanks.
I forget where we bought the feedhorns from, but this can be
done.
We actually just replaced two of them, doing exactly what you
describe.
There was a catch, though. The feedhorn has two N connectors, a
few
inches and ninety degrees apart. One of the two dishes had a
smaller
hole in the center, and my climber had to take up snips and a
rasp,
and
basically put a small notch in the center of the dish, to get
the
new
feedhorn to fit. The other dish was older, or newer, or
something,
and
already had a suitable small notch in the center.
David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
We will, however, continue to use Mikrotik for ethernet routers. Thought that was fair to say. We don't like the build-it-yourself WIRELESS devices... - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
Also, to be fair, I've never had a problem with Mikrotik because I have never used Mikrotik radios (neither CPE or AP). We've had StarOS. So, while my frustration comes from StarOS wireless devices, I lump Mikrotik in with them because of the build-them-yourself nature of them. We actually LOVE the StarOS software, and Mikrotik is even more feature-rich. Just don't want to have to put up with the hardware and touchy installation of that hardware. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik YMMV. I've had near flawless performance from my Mikrotik systems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/16/2010 1:04 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
Agreed. You're going to find MT products that suit your needs. UBNT is getting my business these days because of 2 things... cost trust. They've made a huge impact on the WISP business, no denying that. They've done it by creating a product that can be trusted at a good price point. Quality control from a reputable, proven company is important to me, more important than features. This was an ideal that made me want to go to Trangos everywhere even though they were more expensive. I didn't want to pay Trango pricing, but I have realized that there is, by and large, a cost to cheap. Now, enter UBNT, a manufacturer who has invested in their business enough to develop processes that lower the manufacturing costs while maintaining a reasonable quality. I hope this pays off... We all gamble with our money, don't we? The need to drive cost down is a giant weight around our necks. Those who gamble with someone else's money use Moto or Trango in my experience. I know of a WISP who has about 800 customers using Trango gear and they only have about 2 service calls a month. I say to myself that would be nice. But then I say to myself for 5 years now I've paid for absolutely EVERYTHING out of my checking account...my money. That WISP with 800 users 2 service calls per month...owes more money than they're worth. - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik There are many vendors offering built CPEs and APs based on MT hardware. They don't have to build-it-yourself just because MT doesn't do the packaging. On 9/16/2010 3:23 PM, Mark Nash wrote: Also, to be fair, I've never had a problem with Mikrotik because I have never used Mikrotik radios (neither CPE or AP). We've had StarOS. So, while my frustration comes from StarOS wireless devices, I lump Mikrotik in with them because of the build-them-yourself nature of them. We actually LOVE the StarOS software, and Mikrotik is even more feature-rich. Just don't want to have to put up with the hardware and touchy installation of that hardware. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik YMMV. I've had near flawless performance from my Mikrotik systems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/16/2010 1:04 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video
Tower Climb videoYeah Oh but clipping unclipping makes me tiirred. (my best whiny voice via email). How about being dead? I don't care WHAT OSHA allows. I don't trust ANYONE's hand not to slip. Even though OSHA may say it's OK, how irresponsible of them to put this video out to the general public. And why, anyway? What is gained except for glorifying this activity? Yeesh... - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video Makes my palms sweat just watching it WTF isn't he tied off? What an idiot - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tower Climb video Mikrotik posted this on their Facebook post. I don't see the guy clipping off or a safety climb so don't do as he does (unless I missed the safety portion). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Comment Deadline Sept 16th. All WISPsfile immediately.
As will we... - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Comment Deadline Sept 16th. All WISPsfile immediately. Will make time today. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: Update on TV Whitespaces Comments: There are currently 44 WISP comments publicized on the FCC Website supporting the WISPA proposal. Keep up the good work but we still need more! We need everyone to take 15 minutes out of your busy day to voice your opinion on the WISPA TV Whitespaces filing. We have attached a template letter that you can use. 1. Download attachment and customize it. Can be submitted as DOC or PDF. It is as simple as adding your name and bits of information about your specific need. 2. Submit to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc with the proceeding numbers 04-186 and 02-380. Give me a call if you have any questions. UPDATE: WISP Filing updates are beginning to show up in the FCC database. Good job and thank you to those who have filed. Go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment_search/input?z=vd7pb and search for 04-186 to read other WISP comments. More importantly, get your comments filed pronto. The deadline is September 16, 2010. We need a good showing from the WISP industry to substantiate the importance of our industry in the decision making process. This is not about WISPA, it is about your future and the WISP industry. All WISPs, This week, WISPA filed comments on the TV Whitespaces once again. The FCC is set to make decisions on this crucial topic very soon. It is imperative for all operators to take a few minutes and file individual comments to the FCC about Unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces spectrum this week. Please don’t procrastinate as the timeline is fairly short. I have attached a template support letter that Jack Unger has written to make your support and comment filing easier. Jack, Steve Coran and the FCC committee has worked hard for several years and especially in our recent filing. We need to support their hard work efforts and produce a mass support campaign to give the WISPA filing even more credibility. WISPs need more spectrum and we need spectrum that will penetrate foliage and other obstacles. This is our opportunity and essentially our obligation to stand up for our needs before this crucial decision is made. The WISPA filing can be read at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020911589. Please customize the attached template letter with your company information and if you want to add additional “local” flavor, it is accepted. The FCC staff will read each letter and register the support for the WISPA filing to assist them in making this tough decision. We have received excellent comments back from the FCC, other trade associations and manufacturers about this filing and now our membership and industry participants need to stand up and be counted as well. Once you have customized the letter, please make a .pdf copy or a .doc file and upload it at the following website. http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc. If you choose not to use the WISPA template letter but want to write your own comments, you can either follow the previous procedure or use the Express filing method at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=nc5cd. The proceeding number is 04-186. I cannot stress how important this is for each WISP company to do. I hope to search the filings Monday morning and find 1000 or more new comments supporting the WISPA filing. Take the time and “git r dun” before your busy work schedule begins again Monday morning. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org White Spaces Template Letter.doc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Breezecom PRO.11 Configuration Utility
Didn't know they had a utility. Just connected serially through a terminal emulator like HyperTerminal with one of those special cables... If it's BreezeNET then you may not have telnet access to them. But you should be able to serial into them... - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Breezecom PRO.11 Configuration Utility Any of the old timers have a copy of this old hag laying around? Tnx -B- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote: Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and migrate to OSPF. -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Thus my question... - Original Message - From: L. Aaron Kaplan To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. Sure, if you want to have stable routing loops :)) -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now. And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Ooooh forgot that one useless thing I did...led the team at Oregon State University that developed the implementation standard for Microsoft's Active Directory partitioning replication, over a decade ago...still in use today with several hundred servers. No need to mention the old ccMail system with over 300 post office databases sitting on Novell servers for which I another guy wrote a series of batch files apps nested 8 levels deep, to replicate directory changes between the post office databases...before ccMail had a directory update app that worked. That was fun. Good stuff for a laugh and a nod for those who understand us older guys and our older protocols. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now. And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Mikrotik ethernet routers for larger sites. On smaller sites, we have some StarOS access points (such as 4-port METRO) running RIP. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 13:16 -0700, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. If the question is Is RIP stable?, then the answer is yes. What platform are you running? If you already said this, I missed it, as I unintentionally deleted about 1/2 of the posts in this thread this morning. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. If you have under 15 hops to your deepest leg, then RIP should work well for you. I agree with your assessment that there is no real compelling reason to change. If you are moving away from the network, then it may be worth investigating suggestions to move from your new admins, however. Beyond that, RIP makes a good enough solution. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] FCC Form 477 Due Sept. 1st **OFFLIST**
We are using Powercode... - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: memb...@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] FCC Form 477 Due Sept. 1st If anyone using Powercode has yet to do this or is working on this today let me know. I have some instructions that will save you some time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: This is the final reminder that FCC Form 477 is due tomorrow. All broadband service providers, (telecommunications, cable, and broadband over power line providers) must report broadband services by census tract, type of technology, and upload and download speeds on the FCC’s Form 477. The Form 477 is due twice a year - in March and September. http://www.fcc.gov/form477/ File Online Tutorial Technical FAQ This is not an invitation to discuss the politics which created this law. It is a law that Broadband Providers need to abide by. Providers that do not abide by this law are more at risk of subsidized overbuild through Broadband Stimulus Grants and other funded sources. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
