[WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA
Anyone cover this location and want to split a customer with me ? 12 Kent Road Aston, PA 19014 I imagine there's a tower on-site...it's a TV station. Let me know asap. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA
lol. I don't care if I make nothin off this one - I have to bill them. We're doing three of their stations up here in jersey - their fourth is in aston. they won't do any if we can't do them all. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA Rick - it's only because you're a yankee but what half of the customer are you wanting in this split ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 1:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: 'Principal WISPA Member List' Subject: [WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA Anyone cover this location and want to split a customer with me ? 12 Kent Road Aston, PA 19014 I imagine there's a tower on-site...it's a TV station. Let me know asap. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] IPTV
fyi, we just switched over a fios customer onto our trango 900 mhz system. they were so pissed at the up/down constant thrashing of their high speed fios service... quite happy with us now :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV I can say that I have always been a gadget freak. I almost always have the newest toys (cell phones, laptops, two-way radios, etc.) and I usually play with them for a few months, and then put them on ebay. I am a technology freak. I love new things (like our newest toy, an 18ghz Dragonwave AirPair100). Call me what you will, but I like new technology. However, I can also tell you that I have a regular POTS line at home (pay $35/mo for all features like vmail, call waiting, etc.) and I also have DISH network at home. I would never consider using an internet connection for TV... EVER. VoIP works for some people (I can always tell when I'm talking to someone on a VoIP phone), but I can never see using my internet connection for TV... here are a few reasons: (1) The internet is very unstable. When people want to watch TV, they don't want excuses on why it's not working. Imagine the calls you would get when a person's internet, telephone and TV are all down because one of their PC's is infected with the latest virus or spyware. (2) I like having things seperate. Seperate bills is a slight issue, but with automatic billing now, it all comes out of the checking account automatically anyway. (3) I'm not tied to a single provider. If I want to switch my phone service or TV service to something different, I can. (4) With the free DVR's and 4 rooms hooked up for free from DISH and only $29.99 per month for 60+ channels, who is going to compete with that? How can anyone provide a sustained 4-6Mbps for up to 4 TV's to _every_ subscriber across their network (including the cableco or telco's). Even in a small town (say 5,000 population), if the cable company had 500 customers, that would be up to 1Gbps of bandwidth needed (50% utilization of the 500 subs). There is nobody that can support that right now... or even 3-5 years from now. Before everyone gets too excited about IPTV, we need to look at reality. Sure companies like Verizon are doing fiber to the house... we will never compete with that... but why try? We will never dominate our region... instead, we are happy to pick up the customers that are unhappy with the telco or cableco or other wireless provider and want internet that just works. That's what we do. Internet. That works. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: sigh having no viable options vs. having one's head buried in the sand are two totally different things. Boy I'm getting tired of being insulted for having a successful business! marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] For George - just because you were thinking of me. All, Below is Ken's latest Blog post, still a work in progress, since George brought it up he felt it was appropriate. Regards, Dawn DiPietro According to the A.C. Nielsen Co., the average American watches more than 4 hours of TV each day. http://www.csun.edu/science/health/docs/tvhealth.html Now, I would be the first to admit that there is an unknown percentage of time that the TV is on but not being watched in any given family but even if we assume that percentage is close to 50% (which I would guess is high) we can see that from the estimated five minutes per day the average American spent watching internet video (according to the comScore study) we could very well see a jump of some nearly 50 times that amount once a full palette of subject matter is presented on the Internet for viewing on demand. http://www.comscore.com/press/release.asp?press=1264 And which of society's groups of will be eager to take advantage of free Video On Demand? Why the people who can't afford to pay for these high dollar services or would prefer not to. The next question is, what kind of bandwidth will it take to deliver VoD per user? Let me qualify this question by laying some of the assumptions that will need to be addressed in this answer. First off, on the average Friday night, at 6:00PM, more than 50% of American households have more than one TV set on (read as more than one continuous video stream playing) and I would suggest this trend will continue, if not increase as the net-centric services improve. Secondly, if we are talking about IPTV bandwidth needs, we need to forecast that a 1.25Mbps sustained stream is necessary for one stream. If we move into the realm of high definition we are now looking at a rate of 14Mbps (uncompressed) with perhaps a chance of delivering reasonable
RE: [WISPA] Intel Announces Tremendous Breakthrough
yeah, I was reading this article, and I believe it to be FUD. They were bragging about the ability to backhaul wirelessly between towers...whoopee... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:03 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Intel Announces Tremendous Breakthrough ...one of the big differences between standard Wi-Fi and Intel's long-range version lies in the fact that the long-range signals are directional: they are tuned to travel from one antenna to another one and nowhere else. A standard Wi-Fi antenna broadcasts its signal in a 360-degree circle... http://news.com.com/Intel+modifies+Wi-Fi+to+add+mileage/2100-7351_3-6170713. html http://news.com.com/5208-7351_3-0.html?forumID=1threadID=26098messageID=25 1455start=-1 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC Launches Inquiry Into Broadband Market Practices
first impression, is that the FCC's looking to set prices. nondiscrimination pops up a lot... blegh! You mean Al Gore didn't invent all this ? /faint/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:04 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FCC Launches Inquiry Into Broadband Market Practices It would be good for all WISPs read this and start to consider their position and their response. http://www.neca.org/wawatch/wwpdf/032207_3.pdf -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] NextLink in Phoenix
what hardware ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] NextLink in Phoenix XO Communications today launched broadband wireless services in Phoenix, bringing its NextLink wireless footprint to 10 major cities. XO will initially deploy in downtown Phoenix but plans its base station sites to cover the entire Phoenix metropolitan area including Paradise Valley, Scottsdale and Tempe. XO has Local Multipoint Distribution System licenses in 75 markets-all left over from when the former NextLink tried to build a nationwide first generation broadband wireless access system for businesses. Like all of the initial BWA systems, the NextLink network never got off the ground, and when the company changed its name to XO it shelved the licenses, only to revive them again last year as an alternative to fiber and copper access in its markets. XO has now launched wireless service in Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, San Diego, Tampa and Washington, D.C. (They don't know where service is available, but it's launched :) Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: [WISP] cost per customer and new toys
Can we dupe this conversation over here ? I'm going to be performing much the same calc today. I'll fill ya'll in. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:19 AM Subject: [WISP] cost per customer and new toys OK, this aughta be fun What is your COST per customer? We went thought some accounting stuff the other day and tried to figure a few things out. Cost of data circuits: $2 to $3 per sub Cost for bandwidth: $1 to $2 per sub Cost for aps: $1 to $20 per sub Office rent: $1ish per sub Labor: $3 to $5 per sub Gas: $1.5 to $2 per sub Insurance: $.75 per sub Customer acquisition costs (advertising, selling at a loss etc.) $50 to $100 per sub (mostly one time in my case) I'm sure I've left a lot out. Right now we've run about a 15% profit margin for the last three years. That'll go higher with more customers as we'll not need bigger data pipes etc. for at least 3x more customers than today. We'll have to upgrade some of our backhauls and ap's but we're in good shape for servers and all of that. I also roll my servers out every 3 to 4 years. Always lots of memory and high end processors. I've not done raid in quite a while though. What to offer next. We're working on off site backups. But we need new servers with LOTs of space. Not sure I can justify thousands for a good machine with several hundred gigs of storage just for a few $30 per month backup accounts. I have a server with a couple of 80 gig drives in it, I tried to backup my email, pics and music and filled the drive and crashed the box :-). I'm also a bit worried about not having the server backed up. No matter how much we tell people NOT to use our box as their ONLY copy of critical photos, docs etc. they will. I'd also like to find a program that'll run on our web server and authenticate against our radius server. I want my customers to be able to have something similar to myspace but though me instead of them. No luck finding a package for that yet though. laters, marlon *** WISPCON 2007 - Feb 21-23, 2007 - New Orleans http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-ix/center.htm *** Register your services in our FREE WISP Locator http://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp *** The PART-15.ORG WISP Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe wisp yournickname To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe wisp) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org *** WISPCON 2007 - Feb 21-23, 2007 - New Orleans http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-ix/center.htm *** Register your services in our FREE WISP Locator http://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp *** The PART-15.ORG WISP Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe wisp yournickname To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe wisp) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress
Scotch Super 33 tape over the connectors, right close as you can get to the antenna, all the way down the lmr past where the rubber joint is - then mastic over that - then 33 again over the mastic. This is called a courtesy wrap, cause if you ever have to open it back up, you slice down to the tape inside, and it peels right off quickly without fighting the mastic. Since I started doin this, I've NEVER had a moisture problem. Also, wrap it when it's dry outside so you don't lock humidity into it... temperature changes will then just wreak havoc on you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress I would like a bit of feedback from those of you who have been installing outdoor antennas for a while. I have a problem that I would like to see fixed. It seems that after every long rain we see problems with the occasional connection outside at the antenna getting water into it. We use the Scotch seal mastic tape to seal the connections. The guys do not like having to climb and they work hard to try to make sure we do not get these problems and yet they come back. I would like to hear what you veterans out there are doing to make sure the water stays out. Thanks, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress
nod, WTF! :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress I taught Rick this after he learned the hard way ! ;) CampWTF for life ! JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress Thanks Rick. I will pass this along to our techs so they can start implementing this. I know they seal the heck out of things and it is really bizarre to me how any water is getting in there but it is. If they have questions about your process they may be contacting you directly. Many thanks, Scriv Rick Smith wrote: Scotch Super 33 tape over the connectors, right close as you can get to the antenna, all the way down the lmr past where the rubber joint is - then mastic over that - then 33 again over the mastic. This is called a courtesy wrap, cause if you ever have to open it back up, you slice down to the tape inside, and it peels right off quickly without fighting the mastic. Since I started doin this, I've NEVER had a moisture problem. Also, wrap it when it's dry outside so you don't lock humidity into it... temperature changes will then just wreak havoc on you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress I would like a bit of feedback from those of you who have been installing outdoor antennas for a while. I have a problem that I would like to see fixed. It seems that after every long rain we see problems with the occasional connection outside at the antenna getting water into it. We use the Scotch seal mastic tape to seal the connections. The guys do not like having to climb and they work hard to try to make sure we do not get these problems and yet they come back. I would like to hear what you veterans out there are doing to make sure the water stays out. Thanks, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.12/724 - Release Date: 3/16/2007 12:12 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress
not if you squeeze the mastic up over the nut close to the antenna N connector, and over the ends of the tape near the heat wrap...then it's sealing off the courtesy wrap inside... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress I'm going to have to argue with you guys The purpose of the Mastic tape is that it creates a bond that fills the nooks and cranties of the item that you are waterproofing. So that if the Super88 leaks, it can't get to the connector. The two biggest places water gets into the connection is the two ends where the taping ends, NOT just condensing through the material. If you use Super 88 on the inside layer, you are creating a CONDUIT for moisture to pass through, IF water enters in through one of the two ends (far edges of taping). It is VERY difficult to get a complete seal where the tape toughes the Antenna and the end of the connector, reason being the antenna surface is perpendicular to the connector you are wrapping. Doing it the way you are suggesting is definately easy to remove the tape, but it leaves the connector vulnerable to a poor seal at the edges, if that occurs. I'd argue that doing it that way, is taking away the benefit of why you use Mastic tape in the first place. Super88 is meant primarilly just for UV resilient. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?
Is there anywhere online that actually states WHAT we will need to provide ? I.e. data format, etc. - It was my impression that this was still under discussion at the FBI... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Strange Symptoms
I have a system - Mikrotik 5.8 in on SR5 / 2.4 out on SR2 with currently one customer on it. He's seeing occasional REALLY high latency through his device (High Gain Antennas 8186hp @ 100' away from the POP) - like 900 - 5000 ms pings and some time-outs. I'm on what Mikrotik is telling me is a relatively quiet channel (3 to 5 devices at an average of -90's noise floor) and yet his network connection just flaps like crazy because of the latency. Can't run nstreme because of the devices I'd need to have connected (it's a hotspot on a rooftop) But, I'm perplexed as to why this is doing this. A drive up to the hotspot with my laptop produces the same results, as does a test from one of his other computers with a wifi card in it. Things to look for / do ? R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms
yeah, 100' away from the pop. across the street (dead side street, antenna way up above car level) This is the first week we had this customer connected - and they're the first on the repeater... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms History? Did it ever work? Distance? 100' from the POP? The signals are too hot. jack Rick Smith wrote: I have a system - Mikrotik 5.8 in on SR5 / 2.4 out on SR2 with currently one customer on it. He's seeing occasional REALLY high latency through his device (High Gain Antennas 8186hp @ 100' away from the POP) - like 900 - 5000 ms pings and some time-outs. I'm on what Mikrotik is telling me is a relatively quiet channel (3 to 5 devices at an average of -90's noise floor) and yet his network connection just flaps like crazy because of the latency. Can't run nstreme because of the devices I'd need to have connected (it's a hotspot on a rooftop) But, I'm perplexed as to why this is doing this. A drive up to the hotspot with my laptop produces the same results, as does a test from one of his other computers with a wifi card in it. Things to look for / do ? R -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms
yep, no matter which channel. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms Have you looked at it with a spectrum analyzer? I see this type of behavior in a high noise environment. Does it persist through all channels? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Rick Smith wrote: yeah, 100' away from the pop. across the street (dead side street, antenna way up above car level) This is the first week we had this customer connected - and they're the first on the repeater... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms History? Did it ever work? Distance? 100' from the POP? The signals are too hot. jack Rick Smith wrote: I have a system - Mikrotik 5.8 in on SR5 / 2.4 out on SR2 with currently one customer on it. He's seeing occasional REALLY high latency through his device (High Gain Antennas 8186hp @ 100' away from the POP) - like 900 - 5000 ms pings and some time-outs. I'm on what Mikrotik is telling me is a relatively quiet channel (3 to 5 devices at an average of -90's noise floor) and yet his network connection just flaps like crazy because of the latency. Can't run nstreme because of the devices I'd need to have connected (it's a hotspot on a rooftop) But, I'm perplexed as to why this is doing this. A drive up to the hotspot with my laptop produces the same results, as does a test from one of his other computers with a wifi card in it. Things to look for / do ? R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?
u got it. Verizons of the world are out there saying $100k for a way to stop terrorism ? NO PROBLEM! Those little guys must be sucked up and put out of business, so we can prevent another 9/11 argh what a crock of $**7! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ? I see little benefit to protesting the Calea/DOJ judgement, as compliance is a mute point, if it were easy and cost effective to comply. A preferred method to proceed is to lobby for what changes in standards they need to make to allow it to be easy to conform. DOJ doesn't concern itself with HOW to conform, they aren't ISPs and knowledgeable in our business. Its our job to educate them on our capabilties. I'd argue that its teh TELCOs, that are the enemies on this issue, that have been very involved with the officials on this matter, and probably purposefully did not lobby for standards that would be easy for their competitors to comply to. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ? On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:47:20 -0400, Peter R. wrote During the Brand-X Supreme Court case, the DEA, the FBI and the DOJ clearly spelled out that ISP and VoIP traffic would need to be CALEA compliant. It isn't the FCC, it is the DOJ. Oh, please. The DOJ doesn't write law. the DOJ wants EVERYTHING. If it were up to them, they would intercept every packet of data and every voice transmission, and they've all but said so. Too bad. That's wrong, and that's the truth. Your statements take us back to all the lobbying efforts that CLEC's and ISP's have ever done: Don't regulate us - just them. That's not how it works. If you'd read what I say, instead knee-jerk reaction, you'd know this was wrong. You want UL spectrum. You want more of it. But this is not a one-way street. I have to give up my constitutional rights to get the FCC to carry out it's assigned duties? Hell no! To get you have to give. You have to fill out your forms without whining so much. You have to be able to help the Department of Justice catch the bad guys - without the bad guys knowing. Again, here we go again. You make up stuff and then slam me for it. I don't get it. CALEA is not applicable law. It is WRONG for the feds to require US to pay for what they want. Period. Do you not get that? That's why CALEA contained a half billion dollars, to fund the changes that they wanted implemented, and it was a VERY NARROW LAW. Just because the DOJ and FBI suddenly show up and ask for the moon is no reason under the sun to even suggest we should go along with it. They don't write the law, AND CONGRESS DID NOT WRITE ANY LAW TO APPLY TO US! The FCC has misapplied via opinion that it does, when it does not. Polling the WISPs. Yeah! They'd answer. You can't get them to fill out a poll or a form. Not when it comes to begging the feds to do us in, of course not. When Patrick says herding long tail cats in a roomful of rocking chairs, he is almost accurate. (It is actually MUCH harder than that in this industry). The squeaky wheels are few but much larger than the silent majority. But typically they can ruin it for the lot. RUIN Ruin what? Do you ACTUALLY think all this stupid brown-nosing is going to buy us something? Please. That's being more gullible than the emperor's cheering squad. Those of us who have the guts to speak up are the only ones who appear to have ANY interest in your future at all. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] walmart rfid
no, 900 mhz rfid would be 20mhz bands. They MUST be exceeding EIRP, tho, because I've never seen problems with rfid at close ranges like that, and not having good reads with normal, or even less than normal power. Problem is, rfid is 100% tx/rx 100% of the time. How far away is this from you ? I guarantee it's a piece of bad equipment - cable or such - on their end, leaking. Certified letter or bb gun, your choice... ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature. So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible. Also, it may not be possible to turn down the power. So it may not be that simple. A certified letter from an attorney is probably more in order. Unfortunately using unlicensed spectrum does not leave you with much recourse. This has been discussed over and over on these lists but the final outcome is always that you are taking a risk using Part 15 spectrum. Good luck in your battle. Bob Ray Jean wrote: Travis Thanks for the input .that is a possible solution but not one that could be implemented quickly or easily.It would require a new Hpol omni about $2200 a climb to install it and a trip to about 100 customers home to change their eum antenna to h pol.This may be how it gets resolved but really all we need to to do is have them turn the power down on their equipment which only needs to reach 100 ft or the area of their loading dock.or drop to a 5or 10 mhz channel that is not on our freq of 918.4.It would be a simple problem to resolve if we could get any cooperation from walmart.Any ideas on how how we could create interference to their system to get their attention.I realize this is not the proper way to resolve the problem but it might encourge them to be better rf neighbors maybe. Thanks Ray Hill - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid Hi, You may want to try changing polarity and see if that helps. Often going from vertical to horizontal will make a big difference. Travis Microserv Ray Jean wrote: Hello List We have an interference problem come up this week that we have been unable to resolve.Hopefully someone here has some input on how to resolve it.The problem is walmart installed a rfid scanning system at there loading dock which instantly raised the noise floor at our 900 mhz waverider access point by 20 db which killed about 30 of our weakest links.this equipment is operating across the whole band so there is no way to change channels and get away from it.The walmart store manager says its not his problem and refuses to call the company that installed it .I called the company which is adt security and they refuse to do anything unless walmart request it.walmart home office will not return my calls and the regional manager actually hung up on me and will not take calls from us now.We have been very polite with them upto this point and gave them no reason to act like jerks.Does anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve this problem? Thanks Ray Hill surfmore. net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] walmart rfid
tell your customers to go to wal-mart and complain J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid The bigger issue is are your customers going to wait WEEKS while you try and resolve this via attorneys, etc. My customers would be SCREAMING after the first hour of downtime. The fastest solution is to switch to h-pol and start changing customers. Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: no, 900 mhz rfid would be 20mhz bands. They MUST be exceeding EIRP, tho, because I've never seen problems with rfid at close ranges like that, and not having good reads with normal, or even less than normal power. Problem is, rfid is 100% tx/rx 100% of the time. How far away is this from you ? I guarantee it's a piece of bad equipment - cable or such - on their end, leaking. Certified letter or bb gun, your choice... ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature. So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible. Also, it may not be possible to turn down the power. So it may not be that simple. A certified letter from an attorney is probably more in order. Unfortunately using unlicensed spectrum does not leave you with much recourse. This has been discussed over and over on these lists but the final outcome is always that you are taking a risk using Part 15 spectrum. Good luck in your battle. Bob Ray Jean wrote: Travis Thanks for the input .that is a possible solution but not one that could be implemented quickly or easily.It would require a new Hpol omni about $2200 a climb to install it and a trip to about 100 customers home to change their eum antenna to h pol.This may be how it gets resolved but really all we need to to do is have them turn the power down on their equipment which only needs to reach 100 ft or the area of their loading dock.or drop to a 5or 10 mhz channel that is not on our freq of 918.4.It would be a simple problem to resolve if we could get any cooperation from walmart.Any ideas on how how we could create interference to their system to get their attention.I realize this is not the proper way to resolve the problem but it might encourge them to be better rf neighbors maybe. Thanks Ray Hill - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid Hi, You may want to try changing polarity and see if that helps. Often going from vertical to horizontal will make a big difference. Travis Microserv Ray Jean wrote: Hello List We have an interference problem come up this week that we have been unable to resolve.Hopefully someone here has some input on how to resolve it.The problem is walmart installed a rfid scanning system at there loading dock which instantly raised the noise floor at our 900 mhz waverider access point by 20 db which killed about 30 of our weakest links.this equipment is operating across the whole band so there is no way to change channels and get away from it.The walmart store manager says its not his problem and refuses to call the company that installed it .I called the company which is adt security and they refuse to do anything unless walmart request it.walmart home office will not return my calls and the regional manager actually hung up on me and will not take calls from us now.We have been very polite with them upto this point and gave them no reason to act like jerks.Does anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve this problem? Thanks Ray Hill surfmore. net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Walmart
yeah? Wait'll 700 mhz is unlicensed. Talk about the perfect rfid spectrum. fUn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Walmart When we were in DC a couple years ago they told us that rfid was going 900 so beware. You've just re - emphasized that fact. S0 now we know, 900 is even worse for us to use than we previously realized. Ray Jean wrote: Hey All We really appreciate you taking the time to offer your ideas on how to resolve our problem.We have decided that switching to Hpol and sectors will be our fastest and cheapest way to resolve the issue which in the long run is probally a good idea to avoid future problems.We may try some of the legal and publicity suggestions that were mentioned,but in the short term it looks like walmart wins.By the way we are located approx 2000 ft LOS from their docks.again thanks for all the advice. Ray Hill surfmore.net -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] walmart rfid
think this'll be true @ my local wal mart too ? I'm about 1000 feet from one. Just do a 900 mhz survey in their parking lot ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] walmart rfid Which quote from the FCC regs? The one that says You must accept any interference or the one that says you may not cause any interference to a licensed service If you can show them a license, you might have them on the second one. Unfortunately, they have YOU on the first one. They may not even be subject to the 36dB rule anyway. Better to do what you can to avoid the interference using technology (frequency change, shielding, antenna polarity, more gain on your subscriber antennas - using a type certified antenna for your certified radios, of course. Otherwise in a p#$$ing contest with the USA's largest retailer, I think I know who would win. They have invested heavily in RFID and they and Home Depot have pretty much singlehandedly set the standard for requiring their suppliers to go to it. I know, because in an earlier life, I rolled out RFID for another very large company who is one of their biggest suppliers and this company (which has the world's most recognized trademark) JUMPS when Walmart says jump! The reason I emphasize certified is that when you do engage them, they have a lot better arsenal than you and you want to be squeaky clean. Where is the store in relation to your affected tower site? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid How far is this from your site? Are they exceding 36db ERP? If they are exceding ERP and you can prove it by taking spectrum analyser out there have your lawyer send a certified letter to ADT and Walmart manager with this info and quotes from FCC rules and regulations. If there not exceding any limits you may SOL and your only option is to work around them. Sectorize your site. Matt Hello List We have an interference problem come up this week that we have been unable to resolve.Hopefully someone here has some input on how to resolve it.The problem is walmart installed a rfid scanning system at there loading dock which instantly raised the noise floor at our 900 mhz waverider access point by 20 db which killed about 30 of our weakest links.this equipment is operating across the whole band so there is no way to change channels and get away from it.The walmart store manager says its not his problem and refuses to call the company that installed it .I called the company which is adt security and they refuse to do anything unless walmart request it.walmart home office will not return my calls and the regional manager actually hung up on me and will not take calls from us now.We have been very polite with them upto this point and gave them no reason to act like jerks.Does anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve this problem? Thanks Ray Hill surfmore. net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] How many WISPs ?
1) How many are there total - anyone know ? 2) How many are registered here and listening 3) How many are members of WISPA ? 4) How do we start calling other WISPS and get them to join WISPA ? 3,000 x $270 / year = lobbying $$$. 100 x 270 / year = joke. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed
heh. My closest tower is 282 miles from there. LOL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed How far away are you from that location ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed If it is that great?, maybe we should hang an AP and get busy?. Do you know any good consultants that could show us how to do it?., LOL! :-$ JohnnyO wrote: It's a great area sir ! JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed Hey Johnny, I would love too, but that one would require one heck of a PtP shot!. I don't think there is anyone there??. JohnnyO wrote: Can Anyone service this location Link to a google map - Location http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=41+39+13+-79+28+53layer=ie=UT F8z=9ll=41.752873,-79.035645spn=0.850327,2.768555om=1 to be serviced How about Saxton PA Regards, JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RE: [isp-wireless] More CALEA deadlines. Monday March 12th
well, it's been awesome for us. We've already sold a couple of hotspot management packages locally just based on the fear that the FBI will come knocking. I'm really hoping that CALEA requirements settle down to allowing tcpdump / ethereal captures... This is what WISPA should be lobbying for ... It'll create a grass-roots industry just to solve that problem, ala Y2k. -Original Message- From: Doug Ratcliffe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:38 PM To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] More CALEA deadlines. Monday March 12th So are networks such as free muni-Wifi going to be CALEA also? How would a free network ever be CALEA compliant? Is every hotspot out there going to need CALEA compliance as well? I mean, a paid hotspot operator behind a firewall is just as much as WISP as we all are. Should they be filing a form 477 too? What makes their facilities any less important than my facilities? If I operate a hotspot-style network, do I become exempt for CALEA? I'd like to see Starbucks, McDonalds, Krystals, Dennys be forced to install CALEA equipment... Yeah right. I ought to just operate a totally anonymous prepaid hotspot network and then I won't worry about subpoenas because I have no information. I just don't understand this, in one breath the government says The US is behind the rest of the world in broadband growth and in the next breath they say Buy this super-expensive equipment in order to operate. Next, they drag around with 3650, make it NOT usable with current 3.5 equipment that's TDD/FDD. They offer USF to telcos but not us to expand into rural areas. I'm starting to think they don't want us little guys around. We've got broken equipment on towers we don't have money to replace. Now they want us to buy something that will be used on less than 75 customers that are all legitimate businesses anyways. This is ridiculous. - Original Message - From: S.Y.W.S.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] More CALEA deadlines. Monday March 12th What is the form number of this now?. Their site doesn't really help with the key word search. What if you already told the FCC back in Feb you were not going to be compliant by March ??, and they already talked to you about it? We have your information, if anything comes up with your service we have your contact information. I told them there was no way I could afford, the software, hardware of TTP service. I also told them I would have to have them provide financial aid if it was ever required I be compliant as per their own section for subsidizing the costs. Also the way I understand it, if you have good customers. We have only received a court order once for emails relating to one user in 12 years. Simple live forward worked great. They received a copy of every email they sent and received. Might not have much to worry about anyway. We cut their access after it was done. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: [isp-wireless] More CALEA deadlines. Monday March 12th Hi All, Sigh. More law enforcement fun due next week. As you all know by now, we had to file an FCC form 445 a couple of weeks ago. That was a form telling the FCC how we're doing at becoming CALEA compliant. Now we have to tell them what our policies will be when we're hit with a CALEA action. That's what Monday's filing is all about. WISPA has worked on this issue with telecom attorney Kris Twomey. He's worked with us WISPs for a long time and ran a plan past the WISPA board for SSI procedures. We're recommending Kris' handbook as either your policy or a starting point for one of your own. If you want Kris to help you you'll have to send him the following information: Full company info. example: Marlon K. Schafer dBa Odessa Office Equipment box 489 107 S. 1st Street Odessa Wa. 99159 (509) 982-2181 Primary contact: Marlon K. Schafer office line cell phone pager Alternate contact: Hours available: 24/7 as cell phone coverage allows Etc. Kris has worked out a great platform for this. The cost to have him file for you is $250. If you are a WISPA member it's $100. You'll have until March 12 to join WISPA and get the WISPA rate... Here's Kris' explanation of what this is and his contact info. Please direct questions directly to Kris as I don't know enough about this to answer any :-) First a little background. About a year ago, the FCC required all facilities-based broadband and VoIP providers to ensure that they are CALEA compliant by May 14, 2007. CALEA stands for Communications for Law Enforcement Act, and
[WISPA] RE: [isp-wireless] More CALEA deadlines. Monday March 12th
I've been there with the crew, before the days of WISPA, but I don't get down there much, cause I don't have the time / money :) When I do, I will! -Original Message- From: geowires [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 AM To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] More CALEA deadlines. Monday March 12th Rick Smith wrote: well, it's been awesome for us. We've already sold a couple of hotspot management packages locally just based on the fear that the FBI will come knocking. There is a good group going back to DC the 2nd I believe. Lets see what they bring back. Why haven't you gone to DC for WISPA, your just an Amtrack away? George ** ISPCON Spring 2007 - May 23 - 25- Orlando, FL www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** The best money you'll spend on your business all year- Save $100 until Friday, March 30! ** ___ The ISP-WIRELESS Discussion List ___ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/ To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. Copyright 2005 Jupitermedia Corporation All Rights Reserved. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 mhz BPF
this ? http://www.ubnt.com/cf.php4 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 7:10 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 900 mhz BPF A little while back someone posted a source for 900 mhz BPF they intended to use with a 900 Mhz MT AP. Could you post that again? Thanks Chris This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Justice Department Takes Aim at Image-Sharing Sites
yeah interesting quote... Only universities and libraries would be excluded, one participant said. There's a PR concern with including the libraries, so we're not going to include them, the participant quoted the Justice Department as saying. We know we're going to get a pushback, so we're not going to do that. How about we push back ? :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:57 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Justice Department Takes Aim at Image-Sharing Sites http://news.com.com/Justice+Department+takes+aim+at+image-sharing+sites/2100 -1028_3-6163679.html?tag=nefd.lede -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Anyone Seen AppleTV yet ?
Wonder what kinda bandwidth this will eat up. http://www.apple.com/appletv/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Anyone Seen AppleTV yet ?
...yet... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone Seen AppleTV yet ? At least their not trying to stream the content. -RickG On 2/28/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonder what kinda bandwidth this will eat up. http://www.apple.com/appletv/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Anyone Seen AppleTV yet ?
I've got a great case study I'm gonna write up and PDF soon. My brother-in-law was a yankee fan. They decided to church plant in Prague - yep, czech... He bought an extra receiver for my dad's directv, plugged it into a slingbox, plugged it into dad's wireless connection (trango 900 - 22 miles from my tower, then 12 from there to my noc) and watches yankee games on the Yes network from prague through my network :) works awesome - because of the time difference, I sometimes pull up DirecTV on my laptop during the day through the sling player. Uses about 120k right now on a constant stream to get good quality tv. If I let it go unlimited it'll eat up to 768k R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Comroe Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone Seen AppleTV yet ? I haven't been following compression formats all that closely but I've been amazed what things like SlingBox can do with only a couple hundred kiloBITS/second (not even kilobytes/sec). I think it's microsoft asf (is that mpeg4?) and I've seen good quality sent UPSTREAM from customer cpe (within the typically lower upstream cap). Rich - Original Message - From: David E. Smith To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone Seen AppleTV yet ? Rick Smith wrote: Wonder what kinda bandwidth this will eat up. http://www.apple.com/appletv/ Not much more than what your customers are already using. Basically, it lets you watch purchased content from iTunes on your television. iTunes has sold TV shows for quite a while now. If it tried to stream content, there might be an issue, but AFAIK it doesn't do that. Heck, aside from the iTunes hook, a soft-modded Xbox makes a much better media center, and you can probably find one at your local pawn shop for fifty bucks. :-) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] STOOPID linksys / netgear / etc
That's fine, as long as they file their CALEA and 477 Forms :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] STOOPID linksys / netgear / etc What if they wanted to share the network but only with people who could figure that out? =-) On 2/28/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Smith wrote: Can't vendors make it so that whatever you use as the securing KEY can't be contained in the hostname, essid or anywhere else ? Common Sense... I'm sure they could, but as soon as a customer decides this is what they want to do, and can't, angry phone calls will ensue. No matter how silly the request, it's pretty much guaranteed that someone, somewhere, will actually WANT to set up their network that way and have reasons that are (at least in their own heads) perfectly valid for wanting to set it up in that way and no other. A friend of mine uses WPA and made the network key his SSID, but that was actually his honeypot network. (He's a little cracked like that.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] STOOPID linksys / netgear / etc
happened to open my laptop in town to work on a hotspot of mine today. Say an interesting essid... f6a13. and it was locked down. Well, I noticed that it was 10 digits, and when I signed on to it and happened to type that into the WEP KEY area as well, it WAS THE WEP KEY to use to sign onto it. So, this is the way people are going to start sharing now ? Can't vendors make it so that whatever you use as the securing KEY can't be contained in the hostname, essid or anywhere else ? Common Sense... Argh. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Is it enough ?
actually. Don't laugh. We should talk. In my new life as a company, I've got a Director of Sales on board that's a (very) politically connected guy in Northern NJ as well as Washington. I'm bringing him up to speed slowly, as I need him to get selling :) BUT, one of the things I will do soon is get him on board here. This guy's a heavy hitter and we actually have a very good friend of ours that's a congressman in DC.. More soon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is it enough ? Yeah, being on time is nice. And we've already filed a couple of times on this issue over the years that it's been around. It all takes time and I don't always have as much as it takes to learn the issues, talk to others, work with others (like NAF, MAP, Cisco, Intel, ieee, etc.). If you'd like to join the fcc committee. grin marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:10 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Is it enough ? maybe WISPA needs to be describing these better, in advance as opposed to the last minute... if all our comments were the FIRST posted, wouldn't that look better? What's out there that we should be looking at NOW as opposed to later... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is it enough ? The cut and paste is ok, but that's just more junk for people to read. The FCC has told me that the association needs to file, but that should also be backed up with individual filings. Even if it's just to say that you agree. What I wish is that more people knew the issue better so that they could file on their own in their own words. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: [WISPA] Is it enough ? Other people in 04-186 are posting fully written positions. Other WISPs are just filing I agree with WISPA... comments. I don't think that's enough! I think, AT THE WORST, that you should cut and paste WISPA's filing if that's what you agree with. At the LEAST fully state your position! We look like easily corralled cows following the leader into the corner. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Is it enough ?
Other people in 04-186 are posting fully written positions. Other WISPs are just filing I agree with WISPA... comments. I don't think that's enough! I think, AT THE WORST, that you should cut and paste WISPA's filing if that's what you agree with. At the LEAST fully state your position! We look like easily corralled cows following the leader into the corner. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
actually, I've been told the opposite. Buyers of your company want as close to zero liability as possible. Especially when they will probably come in and replace your gear with theirs. If the two seem to match, you only win bigger... Loans / Leases / Credit Lines are BAD in the eyes of a potential buyer. And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. We're building to sell. Major network - owning all pieces. Banks have allowed us up to 50% face value of the equipment to borrow against for 18 months on a relatively higher rate of interest (9 or ), but collateral nonetheless... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Lonnie, I do not controdict your comment. I have chosen your same path. I have zero financing, and own in full a half million dollars worth of hardware that is installed. I was just pointing out the compromise. I now have a $10,000 a year property tax bill. The bank laughs at me, when I try and use the installed equipment as colladeral for future funding. The only value that the installed gear has to me, is it enables me to serve clients and generate revenue. Meaning its better for me to own my company, and continue to receive my revenue that I have enabled to have come in. But I truly believe a company will appraise for more, if the gear is leased instead of owned. The truth is a leased radio generates the same amount of cash as an owned one. But just like a car, the second it is driven off the lot it loses half its value on day one. Nobody ever puts fair value on used gear, they don't look at it as a revenue enabler. However, when you lease, you have acheived finance and capitol, which is hard to come by, freeing up the buyer's capitol and borrowing capabilty. And showing a business model that is cash flow friendly optimizing survival. So if you are building to sell, lease the gear. If you are building to own, pay cash, and save every point you can. Because if you plan to stay owner, why do you have to justify anything to anyone at your expense? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... An asset is something that you own. I consider anything that is not paid for to be a liability. An asset that you own can be enjoyed and can make money for you. If it is paid for in a mere two to three months is this not a worthy investment, especially if it can provide a profit for years to come? Lonnie On 2/20/07, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. SNIP My view is, what good is an asset if no one will lend against it? SNIP Good luck with your ventures. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Telcos. They're going to get what they want @ the FCC, which is to put the little guys out of business. It'll just be a matter of time and money, and we don't have much of either. Of course, wasn't it Marlon that said that that's what people said about us 5 yrs ago and here we are, still, today ? Look at it this way. If you're building to sell, you're building fast and furious right now, just to put yourself in the way of the next one that comes along. At some point you're going to amass enough users to make it more attractive to the Verizons and the SBC's of the world to just buy you out instead of marketing to all your customers, who are really happy campers and don't WANT to switch. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wispa Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. I'm curious about why you think this, Rick... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Oh, I've been in the partnership thing, got screwed, and was lucky enough to figure out how to negotiate for 100% ownership of the company that I built and my deadbeat partner didn't help with. So, now here I stand, smarter for the experience, but also looking at a pool of vultures ready to hand me money but wanting 75% equity. lol. yah. Came out of meetings today with a whole bunch better group of people, and my stance is to never own less than 51%. At least this group respected that. Thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Rick Smith wrote: actually, I've been told the opposite. Buyers of your company want as close to zero liability as possible. Especially when they will probably come in and replace your gear with theirs. If the two seem to match, you only win bigger... Loans / Leases / Credit Lines are BAD in the eyes of a potential buyer. And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. We're building to sell. Major network - owning all pieces. Banks have allowed us up to 50% face value of the equipment to borrow against for 18 months on a relatively higher rate of interest (9 or ), but collateral nonetheless... Rick, you've been around the block, your a smart guy, don't think there is a whole lot your missing. The only advice I would give you, is if you do another partnership, clearly define your partners exit in agreeable terms before you enter into an agreement. Like you will be the owner and he will be leaving and here is what he is getting and how he is going to get it. Also watch that you don't make the next guy the major stakeholder if he decides to drag you into bankruptcy. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
I agree, if I had the capital to keep going. :( NEED to bring in financing, and I've done all that work by myself. Need people to help grow it faster / further, and that all takes $$$ too. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Same direction I'm headed, but the big catch is debt free -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Yeah I disagree. If I shut down its because I get tired, not because I get run out. There becomes a point, when the only big cost is roof space, and a big company tends to pay more for roof rights. When I'm debt free, not sure how someone can run me out. I can just give it away, and still survive. Maybe not yet, but in a couple more years, thats where I'll be. I'm already on my Gigabit backbone plans, fiber isn't necessarily a killer either. I agree that Wireless was meant to be a transition product, but once its in place, not sure it will get wiped out. Even for a redundancy play it has a life of another 10-20 years. And anyway you slice it the big boys will never be able to offer personal service. I could stay in this business for quite awhile if I want to. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. I'm curious about why you think this, Rick... Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] No, Patrick, it's not about the stickers...
This could be the same path as the arguments for and against Open Source are taking these days. In the end, Open Source is winning... However, I see a bad apples component to Mark's argument. If the rules are to allow us to mix / match any individually certified components into a whole new component, there will be some idiots out there that will throw an amplifier or whatever else in between, just to be different That's what the FCC is scared of...junk all over the place. I see nothing wrong with piecing together components like Mikrotik, WRAP boards, CM9's, SRx's, etc. as long as we stay within the technical limits of the law. there are those here that will scream at me (us, and don't forget that..) for doing this, and to those I say, go certify it! I have an idea though. Well, a repeat idea. I'm not sure how the certification process works, but wouldn't it be interesting to get all these open source pieces certified by the FCC, and then put it to bed ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wispa Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] No, Patrick, it's not about the stickers... On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:32:42 -0800, Patrick Leary wrote Sticker conscious? So this is what we've become as an industry? Following the very clear laws, which were once again just reiterated to us after another in a long chain of WISP visits, or not has now been reduced to simply being sticker conscious or not sticker conscious? Why not go further and call yourself Illegal and proud or just I don't give a ? Let's not have any more gee, I can't afford to be legal! That's not an argument that is credible today, with the range from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub-$300 - - that's cheap. No, Patrick, it's NOT about the sticker. It's about the fact that I can assemble a geek squad of a few people, that, using freely available software and cheap and easily available hardware, can BUILD FOR OURSELVES better priced and 'better suited for WISP use' equipment in a few weeks than Alvarion, Motorola and Trango have managed to do in years. Not only are we better, we're faster, we advance quicker, and we do more with less, AND CAN PRODUCE IT ALL COMPLIANT WITH THE TECHNICAL LIMITS OF THE LAW, faster than any larger company can dream of doing. Why? Because we live in a free country and we have free minds. But we can't do it legally. Why? Because the rules now PREVENT us from doing it and protect the interests of Alvarion and Motorola, rather than enhance the industry. It's because the best and brightest DO NOT build systems. The best and brightest at building sofware are building software. The best and brightest at building cheap radios are doing so. And the rest of us are assembling the parts we need to do the job that NO MAKER OF CERTIFIED GEAR HAS YET TO ASPIRE to, much less produce. WE ARE CAPABLE of putting those bits together, like it or not. That's why Apple Computers based the latest iteration of their operating system on something produced mostly by amateurs and geeks and ordinary schmucksfor FREE. It was better than ANYTHING Apple could pay any number of software engineers to build on their own. Period. Thus, FreeBSD became the basis of OS X. AGain, the capability of the ordinary schmucks proved to be a giant leap ahead of the #2 choice in pc's. My God, 5.4 is going to be a massive mess. OET will have to install a special phone line just to handle the incoming DoD complaint calls. Well, certainly, NOT A ONE OF US ON THIS LIST wants that. But if you wish to become an advocate for this industry, THEN STOP DEMANDING WE STOP BEING CREATIVE AND ADVANCING OUR INDUSTRY AND INSTEAD BE HELD BACK BY YOUR COMPANY AND THE OTHER manufacturers, and start helping us get a legal and regulatory environment that works, instead of one that's hopelessly broken, so we CAN. I hate to break it to you, but if today, Alvarion, Motorola, Trango, and a host of other names like them vanished from the map, the WISP business could and would go on, and we could do it purely with the talents and skills that exist with the individual operators. TURN IT LOOSE instead of attempting to bottle it up. Or is your loyalty purely to the company and not to US? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 5.8G cpe suggestions? RB112+CM9+Rootenna if you are not sticker conscious. If you are sticker conscious I use the Tranzeo TR5a-24/20 with MT/CM9 setups and they work great. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless rabbtux rabbtux wrote: Not to stir the fcc sticker debate,
[WISPA] Getting the sticker.
Anyone understand the full process of getting something certified at the FCC ? I.e. I'd like to send in an RB112 with SR9, pigtail, LMR jumper, and Pac Wireless Yagi to get certified as a combination. And, every other combination I use. As I understand the rules, that would allow me to call that combination legal, as well as giving it a separate product name that I (or anyone I subcontracted) could resell it as, and then put this sticker conscious crap to silence. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: using equipment from overseas companies Re: [WISPA] FollowingtheFCC rules ?????
thanks patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: using equipment from overseas companies Re: [WISPA] FollowingtheFCC rules ? Mario, Most of what you are looking for is located on the FCC Web site under the Office of Engineering and Technology section. To certify something or to understand the certification procedures, you can go directly to the cert labs: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm To find what equipment is allowed (or not allowed, which is easier to narrow down in a search), search the equipment authorization database: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm The link above is the same to find approved manufacturers. There is no one list since there are thousands of companies under Part 15 alone (remember, Part 15 covers gazillions of consumer devices too). Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: using equipment from overseas companies Re: [WISPA] Following theFCC rules ? Hi, The following question seems germaine to this thread. Who would I talk to at the FCC about the following: -- if I want to use equipment from an overseas-based manufacturer, where would I go to or who could I talk to at the FCC to know certification procedures, equipment allowed or not in licensed or unlicensed spectrum? -- is there a list of FCC approved manufacturers? Thanks. Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 5.8G cpe suggestions?
Ubiquiti Ls5 is stickered isn't it ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 5.8G cpe suggestions? RB112+CM9+Rootenna if you are not sticker conscious. If you are sticker conscious I use the Tranzeo TR5a-24/20 with MT/CM9 setups and they work great. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless rabbtux rabbtux wrote: Not to stir the fcc sticker debate, but what gear is out there today that is compatable with a MT/SR5 access point? Looking for lower cost CPEs for 1-5 mile deployments. Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] SR9 / SR2 in same enclosure problems
Can I hear from people that are running an SR9 and an SR2 on the same board, be it RB112 or 532's, that are putting them both on one board in the same enclosure ? I've read about problems doing that because of the fact that the SR9 is just an up/down converted 2.4 card... And in fact, I'm seeing throughput problems with just that setup... and that's only at one client on the system as a test... I'd love to find an enclosure that had two separate compartments, to run an RB112 or RB532 on each side, one mpci on each, and separated by the casting... i.e. [|][|] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Automated Tower Climbs
Hey, someone's done it! A portable tower elevator. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251888,00.html :) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Routers
Trendnet. Hands down. I STILL thank JohnnyO for turning me on to them. VERY reliable. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833156001 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John J. Thomas Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers cdw.com carries the Cisco 851W for $379. John -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 08:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers Checkpoint has one for under $400 too. I forgot about that one. Dual wan with wireless. Kinda cool. I've not tried one yet, but did see them at ISPCon. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers I too have that idea in action, but the port forwarding options are non existant... There has to be something out there that works... Thanks for the feedback. - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers Ross Cornett wrote: Hey guys, I hope some of you can enlighten me on what is the best line of router out there for home and small business. We have used linksys and netgear and their broadband routers have not held up very well. Anyone have any ideas as to what they are using and what works best? I am tired of replacing these things and explaining to the customer their lack of quality. Your feedback is very welcome. Ross Cornett VP 217 342 6201 ex 7 HofNet Communications, Inc. www.HofNet-Communications.com HofNet-Communications.com One more reason I use a cpe with built in router. I know your pain. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Advertising Expenses
I know this question will get a lot of varied response, but I figured I'd throw it out there. I'm in the middle of investing / biz plans, etc... Trying to come up with a number for what we would theoretically spend to reinvent the company so-to-speak and get the name known. Looking at radio / tv / etc. in northern NJ local markets, and need to know what people are spending on advertising in those mediums. Also, what kind of general returns with respect to the number of installations per day / month / whatever do they result in ? Sending this from the middle of a financing meeting... R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 445
Just paid up... include RTPS Networks, Inc. d/b/a Near You Networks THANKS! AWESOME IDEA! R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all WISPA members and that he can do it with just a company name for now. He will file for all of WISPA operators who wish and include company names of those who want to be included. No names will be included who have already filed themselves or do not wish to file for whatever reason. Obviously a Canadian company would not need to file a US mandated issue like this. Are you wanting to be included? Scriv cw wrote: This is wonderful but you would need our FRN. Are you saying we don't have to have this postmarked today? John Scrivner wrote: If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to worry about filing your CALEA Form 445. Kris Twomey is handling it for all paid WISPA Principal Members who want it done for them. They are allowing later filing now. Kris will be filing on behalf of all paid WISPA Principal Members. All you have to do is reply to the email and say, Include me in WISPA 445 Filing and include your official, legal company name. That's it. Your filing will be complete.This is being done as a benefit of WISPA membership at NO CHARGE TO YOU. To take advantage of this offer you MUST respond within 24 hours, by no later than 3 pm Central time on Tuesday, Feb 13th. If you are not already a paid WISPA member then this is not available to you unless you get us $250 before noon tomorrow Central time and fill out the form at http://signup.wispa.org. John Scrivner President WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 445
I think I'm going to be the first to say this, but I don't have time to give a crap about calea. I'm taking advantage of an industry organization to do something on my behalf, because I can't have the time to give a crap later when the FCC comes knocking after finding out I DIDN'T file... Now, I run Mikrotik everywhere, and I've seen comments about packet monitoring being OK for compliance, and I'll STILL not do anything until I'm provided with a subpoena, but I figure having the paperwork THERE is probably a necessary evil. This, in my opinion, is just big brother licensed extortion for the little guys. Paying a TPP for snooping on your customers is just crap. But, what are you going to do ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Merkel Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 On 2/12/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kris Twomey has told me he can do this and that it will meet the requirements for filing. It is not a terribly difficult thing to do but it is just easy to use an attorney for anything like this. I do not bother trying to meet every legal filing requirement. I consider that my attorney's job and use an attorney for all such issues. Kris is doing this for WISPA because he is paid by us to do such things and because he as already working for us on CALEA issues. It was simple for him to be part of the process. Scriv I don't like filling out paper work either, but it kinda concerns me that people aren't taking CALEA compliance seriously if they can't take 10 minutes to fill in their company name, get an FRN number, and answer whether or not they will be compliant when May rolls around. Ultimately, THEY are responsible and have to have an officer of the company sign that document. In any case, I am not trying to be disagreeable just a little puzzled. -Eric -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445
OK, Don't point me to some confusing URL I don't have time (or patience) to read about how to comply with CALEA. What are YOU as a WISP doing to comply ? How much is it costing you ? What technology ? How would you provide the hook in so the FBI could just listen in at any time (is that the way it works ? Or do they still need to provide a subpoena...) ? Others I'm sure will come up.. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 wispa wrote: You actually think that the big guys will actually let that happen? Yeah, I can see it now, our upstreams turning CALEA compliance into a profit center. Anyways if you want to bring your own tape recorder up to the feds and ask them some questions, go for it. But the offer still stands. Any reasonable question regarding the implementation of CALEA compliance I will be glad to ask. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 445
thanks Marlon... Got one more for you - what about the hotels that hook up to me for virtual hotspot authentication / billing services through Mikrotik's hotspot mechanism... am I or the Hotel responsible for capture ? heh. I'm sure there's many more questions... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 Rick, I've been talking with both the FCC and FBI. It's up in the air yet, but it looks like calea compliance won't be that big of a deal. We'll know much more after the Thursday meetings our guys are having. Here's what I understand so far I've gotten this from the head of the FBI's CALEA division (why more people don't pick up the phone is beyond me). We have to be able to copy a particular customer's data stream to a local machine. They do NOT want a stream cause they may not be able to receive it fast enough or data may get lost on the way to them. The local machine needs to have a way to transfer the data to them. That could be either via burning a disk, transfer of the entire machine (likely if they provide the machine :-), vpn back to law enforcement or some other mechanism. At this point there are a couple of issues that I'm not clear on yet. What form does the vpn have to be in. And it may not have to be a particular one. don't know yet. And what kind of security on the local cache machine will have to be in place? Will it have to be physically or electronically or both, isolated from the rest of the company? There are, of course, other difficult situations. I brought up these examples and more. It was agreed that there may not always be good resolutions etc. What happens if someone uses my FREE hotspot in town? It's a Linksys, I have NO way to get any useful data from it. If I change it out to a more powerful machine I incur substantial costs AND I tip off the perp that we've changed something for some reason. How about that hotel we sell service to? They won't have the ability to get useful data from their Linksys routers anymore than I could. And I have no way of determining who's doing what inside their network. Again, no good answers. I don't think we'll see perfection any time soon. But that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't try to do our best. marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 Ya know Mac, not funny, at the same time, funny. I think Mark's got a point, albeit dooms-day-ish. There's no fiscal or physical way small WISPs can comply with CALEA, and I want to know HOW SPECIFICALLY to do it, if you think it CAN be done... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 Patients who experience an acute psychotic episode lasting longer than one day but less than one month and that may or may not immediately follow an important life stress or a pregnancy (with postpartum onset). This illness usually comes as a surprise as there is no forewarning that the person is likely to break down, although this disorder is more common in people with a pre-existing personality disorder (particularly histrionic and borderline types). The main diagnostic criteria is as follows: The patient has at least one of the following that is not a culturally sanctioned response: 1. Delusions 2. Hallucinations 3. Speech that is markedly disorganized 4. Behavior that is markedly disorganized or catatonic. The patient has symptoms from 1 to 30 days and eventually recovers completely. The disturbance is not better accounted for by a Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features, Schizoaffective Disorder, or Schizophrenia and is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition. Sincerely, Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wispa Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:46:13 -0500, Rick Smith wrote I think I'm going to be the first to say this, but I don't have time to give a crap about calea. I'm taking advantage of an industry organization to do something on my behalf, because I can't have the time to give a crap later when the FCC comes knocking after finding out I DIDN'T file... I predict that somewhere around 80% of small ISP's won't file. Many won't even know they have to. Just think, EVERY block size network. If you build out for your neighborhood and have 10 neighbors... YOU have to fork out the big bucks, YOU
RE: [WISPA] yes, the big money is coming. Anyone want to explore selling out?(seriously)
make that 5. I just hooked up with a couple of retired guys from Motorola, and we've found 4 investors willing to pony up some serious ($3MM) cash over the next 3 yrs. One of them actually suggested installing VL soon. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] yes,the big money is coming. Anyone want to explore selling out?(seriously) I know of four WISPs that used to have smaller operations that within the last month each received over $10 million in new money. I know of several others doing some aggressive consolidation, buying out smaller WISPs. This past week in fact I had one such WISP owner ask me directly for help finding WISPs with several hundred to 1,000 subscribers that might be interested in cashing out now, maybe because they have gotten tired or maybe because they see now as a good time to exit with the big money starting to come in. So I guess I should ask, if you are such a WISP and you might be genuinely interested in getting out, let me know and I'll broker the connection with the other party. ...I only wish I got a fee for leveraging my contacts! Please let me know offlist. ...and no, I have no idea how much he pays. The last WISP he bought was a Trango operator with about 700 CPE deployed. I've just offered to him to make connections. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 12:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] way OT: Did I mention I love the WISP business? Umthanks Patrick. :^) I'm not afraid to appreciate you for what you have done for us and the challenge you put before us. With regards to the big money types, I have some additional perspective from a slightly different viewpoint. The big money is definitely coming in this direction This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] yahoo Maps API ?
Someone a bit back shared some code with a list, and I can't for the life of me find where I put it, developed some on top of it, and came up with something web based that was pretty cool. hehe. I've got like 7 machines here that I could've picked, and it was a tiny file... doh! If had something to do with going to the yahoo developer's network, getting an ID, and converting address info into Lat/Long. Thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik
I'll give you the time tested answer to that question. It depends. :) I've got 3 AP's up now, starting to have SOME luck, mostly LOS, a couple NLOS here but no leaf experience yet as the trees are naked... On one NLOS shot in town, around corner 3/4 mile away, I can transfer 18mbps through the mikrotik bandwidth tester... I'm finding a lot of trouble installing 2.4 AND 900mhz in the same boxes as repeaters...I think due to the fact that the SR9 card is just up/down converted 2.4... Separate boxes work great, same enclosure it sucks. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik We have been a waverider shop for a couple of years but have recently installed a microtik 900 mhz AP and was wondering what is available for INDOOR CPE No answer for you there but was just wandering how the Mikrotik 900 AP was working? Been using Canopy 900 due to its interference rejection, frequency reuse and easy integrated install. Have just wandered how much more throughput Mikrotik can do and what kind of range? Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik
that was at 10mhz channels. when I went to 20mhz, I was able to squeeze 22 mbps on a 36 meg connect rate, but that's too much freq usage... Seems to work ok - just need to start separating thse things. Might be interesting to find an enclosure that had two compartments - one on each side and separated, etc. Does such a beast exist ? R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik What channel size for 18 mbps? Scriv Rick Smith wrote: I'll give you the time tested answer to that question. It depends. :) I've got 3 AP's up now, starting to have SOME luck, mostly LOS, a couple NLOS here but no leaf experience yet as the trees are naked... On one NLOS shot in town, around corner 3/4 mile away, I can transfer 18mbps through the mikrotik bandwidth tester... I'm finding a lot of trouble installing 2.4 AND 900mhz in the same boxes as repeaters...I think due to the fact that the SR9 card is just up/down converted 2.4... Separate boxes work great, same enclosure it sucks. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik We have been a waverider shop for a couple of years but have recently installed a microtik 900 mhz AP and was wondering what is available for INDOOR CPE No answer for you there but was just wandering how the Mikrotik 900 AP was working? Been using Canopy 900 due to its interference rejection, frequency reuse and easy integrated install. Have just wandered how much more throughput Mikrotik can do and what kind of range? Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Refreshing Day
I wish it were that way for me. I called a competitor once, as I had a $500/month account. All I could see was the tower they're on. Called them, told em I'd pay them $250 / month for the account ( I know they charge a lot more than that... ) since I'd manage the customer, etc. They hung up on me. I called back to talk to the owner and was rudely told, even by him, that they would not support their competitors. hah. I hooked the customer up with a cable modem, and I paid for the line so I could run an AP off his roof with now 12 customers from there. One of the other customers could see my stuff, so I use the cable line as a backup now. :) Oh, the competitor left that tower, too... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Refreshing Day Yeah, a guy needs days like that once in a while eh? I went to do an install today and found that I couldn't hit the customer due to trees etc. While up on the roof I noticed that one of the dozen or so ap's I was picking up belonged to one of my competitors. A quick phone call later and I had an IP addy from him. Got the customer up and running. My competitor will make some money from me, I'll get a bit from the customer, and the customer has service. A great day all around! marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: [WISPA] Refreshing Day Well it was 10 degrees above zero this afternoon here in northern Indiana. We have been having an issue on one particular tower and after changing the base station equipment a couple times in the last few days, I decided to get out from behind a desk and go out to some customer locations that were still having issues. Turned out to be some minor tweaking of settings but it gave me a chance to interface with some customers face to face. It was very refreshing to hear compliments about our service and many thanks for bringing broadband out into the rural areas. These were a few customers that had very little service in the last few days. I almost feel like I should make each member of my staff go do this at least once a month. It really gives a guy a renewed appreciation of why we do what we do. Eight years ago when we started this, it was very apparent. Lately it seems like most people expect service anywhere they are and at a very cheap price. Normal phone conversations seem to leave me with a bad guy impression. Too Much, not fast enough, whaddya mean, I can't get service, TWO YEAR CONTRACT, no way!. Well today, shaking people's hands and seeing the smile on their face when everything was fixed and back to normal, takes all that away. Heck, I think I was happier than they were. My last service call was to a gentleman I have known for 20 years from a distance. He called late in the afternoon and said he couldn't get logged on and that our installer had been there today to replace a radio. He was so complimentary on the phone about the quality work and attitude of the installer and the rest of my staff, so I called my wife and told her I would be home in about an hour. I drove 15 miles out of town and fixed the issue rather quickly. Same IP address, different radio MAC addresstower needed a reboot to get rid of the arp issue. I guess I could have done that from the office but this one seemed like it was better handled face to face. The customer was off to church as soon as I left his house and I'm sure that he probably told all his friends about our service and my fine staff. Some people just value the local support a WISP is willing to give to its customers. It's not all about price, service like this makes customers for life, no matter how cheap they can buy it from somewhere else. Oh yeah, I also backed into his mailbox on the way out the driveway. You know, it didn't even bother him.I'll fix that right up tomorrow, you go on home now :-) Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ubiquity LS*9* ?
Is ubiquity planning on making an LS9 to go alongside the LS2 and LS5 models ? I'd be interested... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] high bandwidth service offerings
If I had a customer wanting 5 meg committed, with burst rates up to 15, assuming I could provide 15 to him via mikrotik / alvarion / etc etc., how would you price such an offering ? Not like I could call other ISPs and check out the same thing What's the going rate per meg for bandwidth these days if you were to buy bandwidth at meet-me centers ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Climbing Harness
As if I had to say it... DON'T EVER BUY A HARNESS USED. I bought mine here: http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/bodyharness2.htm (Eagle Tower LE - the first one..) Should get one'a these: http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/wireropegrabs.html One'a these: http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/shocklanyards.htm A few a these: http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/miscequipment.htm Get a saddle positioner: http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/miscequipment3.htm (Tower positioning Kit) Need a Bolt / tool bag: http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/carrybags2.html and don't let OSHA catch you without: http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/headprotection.html About $750 worth of hardware - but how much is your life worth ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Climbing Harness Hello Fellow WISP's I need to purchase a tower climbing harness. If you have one to sell, great, if you know of a company that sells them that would be great too. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.5/645 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Addresses - Lat long?
Anyone have a way to convert mass addresses into lat / long numbers ? I have a spreadsheet of locations for a customer that I'd like to map in Radio Mobile, and obviously need to do it via Lat/Long. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Most Common Questions for Tech Support Line ?
If I were to build a script for my tech support phone answering, and share it with you all as an FAQ, what do you think the most common questions are, and how are they answered. Keep in mind, that I'm attempting to write a script, so to speak, for an operator to pick up the phone and cluefully help someone through wireless or hotspot problems in hotels... R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: WISP 60 Second Newsletter]
me 2. And it's all stuff we've discussed already. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davis Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: WISP 60 Second Newsletter] Peter R. wrote: Is this a WISPA sponsored publication? Or just someone who snagged my email off the list? I am getting it as well. Jeremy -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly
well, I for one converted 3 EL customers this week. 2 more next week so far. the DSL plant they're working with up here (Sprint local) is just my best advertising. Fastest they offer is 512 / 90. lol. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly If WISPA is serious about this someone hit me off list and I'll investigate the internal EL contacts to start any negotiations. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Now for the next phase that should happen. EL should come to WISPA and work a deal with wisps nationwide. WE provide access to them on OUR networks. Then EL stops loosing dialup customers in Ephrata and Moses Lake. But no need to spend the 2 million :-) Hmmm, maybe I'm still ahead of the game after all? grin marlon - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Yep- you are correct, sir- I have it from a very reliable source. * EL locates on City (or whatever utility it is) poles. * They pledge that they will allow other ISPs to wheel their service over the network (many spare SSIDs are available) * They foot the bill for the install (I'd say 2 million for a small city- just estimating) * They use gear that meshes and has intelligence so that it can optimize and work around interference and congestion. * They co-produce with the city an event for the unveiling or wire cutting and invite residents and businesses to sign up and give it a free try. * Dialup customers (hopefully) migrate to the new broadband network. Some mobile users will use the network for whatever it is that mobile users do. * Police, Fire, Building Inspections, etc use the free accounts (if any were negotiated) and maybe additional accounts are purchased. * POSSIBLY Google or someone else rides the network subsidizing a free tier of service (300 kb/s in San Francisco) * And (if the recent posting about Vonage is correct)- EL allows other carriers to provide service via EL's infrastructure for a set fee. These carriers could be AOL, DirecTV internet, Odessa Office, OneRing or even Joes Best Little Internet Provider In Texas. It looks like it could be a win-win situation and a resource for EL, the City, the residents and local businesses, AND the ISPs who choose to use access to it as a means to enter the market in that town. Imagine Marlon being able to branch out into San Francisco, New Orleans, Philadelphia, Anaheim and any other markets available just by inking a deal with EL. I think Municipal WiFi's definition is evolving. It doesn't have to be *owned or funded* by a municipality, it just has to cover the municipality. So far, I think Marlon's described network may fit the description, assuming it has adequate on-street coverage. Notice I have said on-street, not in-building. Getting it into the building is another project, and there are at least 2 ways to do that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly snip I learned today that I already have a few municipal networks myself! Much like the Earthlink/SanFran network will be. Privately funded, open to competitors, uses city facilites, city gets free services, covers 100% of the community. Hmmm, sounds like what I've been doing here for half a decade now! Ralph, stick up for me here grin -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Anyone actually done wireless municipal networks yet ?
Looking at a great possibility here, for a whole county in NJ installing a municipal driven wireless network, operating a public safety network as well as a broadband delivery component for other ISPs and Customers... Any PDF's or the like would be greatly appreciated as reading material :) R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] sorry guys... don't respond, havin mail issues...
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RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type
Pretty sure it was no ad hoc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 6:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type Right, but do they have their units in ad hoc mode shouting out that essid? I see HP setup quite abit and that is in ad hoc mode. Naturally thats an HP printer waiting to get set up. George Rick Smith wrote: no, mikrotik in this case, doing a 'scan' on the interface...shows their ssid's in their trucks... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type ad hoc mode? Rick Smith wrote: nod, a scan on the AP shows them... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 4:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type If they still operate as before, you shouldn't see them unless you set your tower as a client/cpe. I have never seen them do anything with an AP, other than BE one. Dis you know that was what the SST-PR-1 was before? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type yeah I can see 10 - 12 of them at any time off one of my towers. I'm 1/2 mile from a sears garage where they repair those vans... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type Hi Matt- Back in my old Net-Stumbler days (back when you could drive across Atlanta and see less than 20 Access Points, and 2 were my own), the experimenters of the day became perplexed by this SSID that kept popping up at random times. It was an Access Point named SST-PR-1 The first time I saw it, I was in my basement and I knew full well what I could normally receive down there. There were all kinds of theories: an AP on a low earth orbit satellite, something on a passing vehicle, some sort of temporary SSID on a piece of gear that just showed up right at bootup, etc. Googling for SST-PR-1 might actually turn up some of the old discussions about it. Anyway- I started seeing it a lot in the evenings after they built some apartments behind me. I sent my son over there on his bike with a camera to do some investigating. He soon found a Sears Service truck (the ones with the small Globalstar dish on top like you see on many semis) parked in front of an apartment. He went back with a laptop and traced the signal to this van. So we had it figured out- Sears truck. A few days later, my son saw the driver coming home for the evening and the driver gave him the dog and pony show of the truck computer. It is linked to Sears parts database via satellite. The SST-PR-1 is the SSID of an integral access point that allows the driver to use a laptop from inside the customer's home to check on parts, see service manuals, etc. The SST stands for Sears Smart Toolbox. I once told a friend about it and he set up a laptop to warn him when the Sears guy entered the neighborhood on his way to fix their refrigerator. An early warning system of sorts. So, the big SST-PR-1 mystery was finally solved by a 12 year old kid! Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC AHA I've been wondering where the hell that TruckPC request has been coming from!! Occasionally, I have techs who have left the radius authentication disabled on an access point and the dhcp logs will start to fill up with requests from TruckPC. They were coming from access points all over the place and I was a little perplexed. It is interesting to watch our radius logs too. I have one AP overlooking a little town of 200 people, but it is right next to an interstate and the radius log from that AP is always showing logins. Must be all the trucker laptops whizzing by looking for an open AP. I've been toying with the idea of turning on hotspot functionality so that we can provide transient access, and this is probably a good reason to do it. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ralph wrote: Well, JohnnyO- you might want to also educate these people, then: http://www.drivertech.com/ Their product, a Truckpc
RE: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for 802.11b/g
To even take your water hose analogy, I pay for my water - one little sip might not hurt, but everyone stopping by to take a sip, leaving the hose on, draws down my supply and sends my bill up. However you slice it or justify it in your mind, it's still morally, ethically, and legally wrong to connect to open WiFi devices and do ANYthing on that connection. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for 802.11b/g I suppose that the only real difference is that you can drive up within a few hundred feet of any house with a unsecured wireless network, and get online without anyone knowing (or caring most of the time). Its more like walking up and getting a drink from your water hose in your yard than JohnnyO's analogy of using your wife. A sip of water from the hose or 5 minutes on your wireless router neither one significantly costs anyone. While it is technically stealing it is hard to suggest that it costs the paying subscriber has sustained any monetary loss or any cost of real performance, internet speed, or water pressure. If his files on his PC were shared on his insecure WLAN, and you drove up and snooped/altered/deleted them, then it would seem that there is grounds for vandalism/business interruption, unauthorized information access, etc, etc. If I walk up to your water hose, steal it, cut it, or run several hoses together and fill my 30,000 gallon pool, or stick it in your window and flood your house, then there is a problem, and a real issue, and a crime has been committed, since it legitimately costs you real money to remedy. If I drive near your home, get on the internet, check my email, make a VOIP call, look up a stock price, or whatever, then I don't suspect anyone will complain, or know that I did it. It also won't cost you anything. If I sit out there for hours downloading copyright violations (P2P) or cracking your file server, or send 10,000,000 spam messages getting your IP added to the RBL's, then there is a real issue. An emergency communication plan that includes war driving to establish VOIP is akin to a fire department that plans to put out fires with a series of garden hoses and outside hose bibs instead of installing real fire hydrants. As far as the legality of war driving, I am not sure that MOST war driving is catch-able convict-able or quantify-able (in the cost to the customer) or whatever. Its also against the law to sample grapes at the grocery store. I don't do that, but I am sure that people have done that for years. I have never even heard of anyone getting in trouble for it. (war driving or grape sampling). I suppose that if you got greedy with either one, you would get your hand slapped. Pete Davis NoDial.net. Rick Smith wrote: ah yes, but then you would've had a cop knock on the front door, and ASK your permission to use the phone. At which point, you COULD say NO! and shut the door on them. Or, you could let them in, and tell them OK! here it is! BUT...They wouldn't do the equivalent of walking up to your NID, plugging a butt set in and just dialing away... If I, right now, drove up in front of your house, got out of my truck, walked up to your Network panel that Verizon or the local phone co. put there as their demarcation point, and plugged my butt set in and got dial tone and dialed Hawaii to chat with someone at YOUR expense, I could be found / shot / arrested / sued / what have you. What's different with WiFi ? Nothing but the excuses we allow people to continue to make. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for 802.11b/g The legality and ethics of using an open access point is questionable, but there is a liability issue as well. In most of the areas that I cover with my network, there is a strong signal with SSID of NoDial. Connecting to this will get you a DHCP address even, without a WEP or other encryption key. Until I know that you have connected and moved your mac address to a list that authorizes your connection, all of your outbound packets will be sent to http://64.123.108.28:80 This brings up a liability issue. If the emergency communication van tech wastes 2 hrs trying to get hold of me, get connected to the internet, or whatever, and $10M of houses burn down, because they couldn't get to the fire department via a hacked VOIP solution, then am I gonna get sued? If they connect to my private home network that I intentionally left open, and my custom made uber-hacker passive/aggressive firewall unleashes a blackops virus that turns their laptops into bricks. Then what? I guess, that by JohnnyO's example, if you come into my open door and try to visit
How to secure WiFi networks was RE: [WISPA] recommendation
With all this discussion, I've not done it in a while for clients - is there a website somewhere that details all the methods for A/P and CPE security ? I remember Win XP being a royal pain in the keister when trying to get it to work with WEP and Linksys... Any good guides out there ? Perhaps WISPA's website should hold the how-to, and we all make it a habit to secure clients access to their own wifi networks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for 802.11b/g Ah, but it does cost me the monthly fee. And if you use it, it is because I paid the fee, not you. There, seems to me it is theft, you are using what I paid for without paying. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type
yeah I can see 10 - 12 of them at any time off one of my towers. I'm 1/2 mile from a sears garage where they repair those vans... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type Hi Matt- Back in my old Net-Stumbler days (back when you could drive across Atlanta and see less than 20 Access Points, and 2 were my own), the experimenters of the day became perplexed by this SSID that kept popping up at random times. It was an Access Point named SST-PR-1 The first time I saw it, I was in my basement and I knew full well what I could normally receive down there. There were all kinds of theories: an AP on a low earth orbit satellite, something on a passing vehicle, some sort of temporary SSID on a piece of gear that just showed up right at bootup, etc. Googling for SST-PR-1 might actually turn up some of the old discussions about it. Anyway- I started seeing it a lot in the evenings after they built some apartments behind me. I sent my son over there on his bike with a camera to do some investigating. He soon found a Sears Service truck (the ones with the small Globalstar dish on top like you see on many semis) parked in front of an apartment. He went back with a laptop and traced the signal to this van. So we had it figured out- Sears truck. A few days later, my son saw the driver coming home for the evening and the driver gave him the dog and pony show of the truck computer. It is linked to Sears parts database via satellite. The SST-PR-1 is the SSID of an integral access point that allows the driver to use a laptop from inside the customer's home to check on parts, see service manuals, etc. The SST stands for Sears Smart Toolbox. I once told a friend about it and he set up a laptop to warn him when the Sears guy entered the neighborhood on his way to fix their refrigerator. An early warning system of sorts. So, the big SST-PR-1 mystery was finally solved by a 12 year old kid! Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC AHA I've been wondering where the hell that TruckPC request has been coming from!! Occasionally, I have techs who have left the radius authentication disabled on an access point and the dhcp logs will start to fill up with requests from TruckPC. They were coming from access points all over the place and I was a little perplexed. It is interesting to watch our radius logs too. I have one AP overlooking a little town of 200 people, but it is right next to an interstate and the radius log from that AP is always showing logins. Must be all the trucker laptops whizzing by looking for an open AP. I've been toying with the idea of turning on hotspot functionality so that we can provide transient access, and this is probably a good reason to do it. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ralph wrote: Well, JohnnyO- you might want to also educate these people, then: http://www.drivertech.com/ Their product, a Truckpc is being installed in many fleet vehicles. One fleet that comes to mind is US Express, a long haul package hauling service http://www.usxpress.com/ The device communicates back to the office via Satellite, Cellular, or WiFi- whichever is available and cheaper. According to the manufacturer, it can hunt down open and unsecured access points and do your HIGHLY illegal act of connecting and sending its data whenever it can. I'm not endorsing this behavior, of course, but I wanted to bring it to the attention of the list. How do I know? My WISP operates hotspot portals that allow casual users to make use of our mountain and tower-top sectors of WiFi. These cover major portions of several towns. These towns have a major Interstate route passing through them. I began noticing numerous TRUCKPC leases being granted by the DHCP servers in these towns. I became concerned about what they were, so I did a little internet research and ended up on the phone with technical support at Drivertech. This is who confirmed how these devices operate and who the probable fleet culprit was. If anyone has portals near major truck routes, check your DHCP logs and see if you see the TRUCKPC SSID grabbing leases. You may want to either block it or contact these folks and work out a roaming agreement. Serious part over, joke follows: This message brought to you by the World's largest free wireless internet provider. Look for our SSID wherever you go: Linksys. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA]
RE: [WISPA] TRUCKPC
unless we ISPs all get together and lock up the wifi world for customers. I've charged people $50 to go in and secure their stuff. I could do it for $20... ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 1:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC Hi, I would agree that the percentage of open AP's has dropped in the past few years. However, I still believe it's above 50%. I just can't see a company that already has an operating, working system in place that is basically FREE for them changing to paying ISP's around the country for service. Doesn't make sense, other than what they are doing is illegal. :) Travis Ralph wrote: Because they may have their data in a more timely and reliable fashion than they get it by using casual access. When I first got into WiFi, I saw that 80% of detected (broadcasting) access points were fully open. Within a year, it dropped to 60%. Now, several years later it is well below 50%, and out in the more technically savvy areas (just spent 4 months in Sillycon Valley) it is like 10% or less. Consumers are finally getting more in tune with security. Or more accurately, manufacturers are pushing security more heavily now. A customer had just better not ever push that button on the front of a Linksys if they don't know what they are doing (grin). Remember- I am talking about consumers here- not what we as WISPS set up or provide to them. Ralph _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC Hi, Why would this company pay for WiFi access when they are now getting all the access they need for free? It's actually a great idea... have the trucks scan all the time and once they find an open AP, connect and upload all their info. Travis Microserv Ralph wrote: I was on the way to one of our remote towers today and was on the interstate next to two US Express trucks. I turned on a sniffer to see if they also had access points on them, but there was nothing. I guess they just scan, looking for free wireless to use. Being bored with the drive, I was thinking about the TRUCKPC thing a lot and had an idea to make some code changes to the mobile access point I have in my vehicle. Its hooked up to a verizon card and I have a roving EVDO to WIFi hot spot gateway. ( see http://ralphfowler.com/stompbox/index.htm ) I could make a couple of code changes to allow the box to also sniff a bit and see exactly what these things are doing when they find a free internet connection. I was also thinking that we, as an industry, could possibly cut a deal with Drivertech to allow their customers to have access to our networks. Of course there would be a lot more to work out and I'm not the guy for that job ;-) Just some Saturday musings... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC AHA I've been wondering where the hell that TruckPC request has been coming from!! Occasionally, I have techs who have left the radius authentication disabled on an access point and the dhcp logs will start to fill up with requests from TruckPC. They were coming from access points all over the place and I was a little perplexed. It is interesting to watch our radius logs too. I have one AP overlooking a little town of 200 people, but it is right next to an interstate and the radius log from that AP is always showing logins. Must be all the trucker laptops whizzing by looking for an open AP. I've been toying with the idea of turning on hotspot functionality so that we can provide transient access, and this is probably a good reason to do it. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ralph wrote: Well, JohnnyO- you might want to also educate these people, then: http://www.drivertech.com/ Their product, a Truckpc is being installed in many fleet vehicles. One fleet that comes to mind is US Express, a long haul package hauling service http://www.usxpress.com/ The device communicates back to the office via Satellite, Cellular, or WiFi- whichever is available and cheaper. According to the manufacturer, it can hunt down open and unsecured access points and do your HIGHLY illegal act of connecting and sending its data whenever it can. I'm not endorsing this behavior, of course, but I wanted to bring it to the attention of the list. How do I know? My WISP operates hotspot portals that allow casual users to make use of our mountain and tower-top sectors of
RE: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for 802.11b/g
ah yes, but then you would've had a cop knock on the front door, and ASK your permission to use the phone. At which point, you COULD say NO! and shut the door on them. Or, you could let them in, and tell them OK! here it is! BUT...They wouldn't do the equivalent of walking up to your NID, plugging a butt set in and just dialing away... If I, right now, drove up in front of your house, got out of my truck, walked up to your Network panel that Verizon or the local phone co. put there as their demarcation point, and plugged my butt set in and got dial tone and dialed Hawaii to chat with someone at YOUR expense, I could be found / shot / arrested / sued / what have you. What's different with WiFi ? Nothing but the excuses we allow people to continue to make. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for 802.11b/g The legality and ethics of using an open access point is questionable, but there is a liability issue as well. In most of the areas that I cover with my network, there is a strong signal with SSID of NoDial. Connecting to this will get you a DHCP address even, without a WEP or other encryption key. Until I know that you have connected and moved your mac address to a list that authorizes your connection, all of your outbound packets will be sent to http://64.123.108.28:80 This brings up a liability issue. If the emergency communication van tech wastes 2 hrs trying to get hold of me, get connected to the internet, or whatever, and $10M of houses burn down, because they couldn't get to the fire department via a hacked VOIP solution, then am I gonna get sued? If they connect to my private home network that I intentionally left open, and my custom made uber-hacker passive/aggressive firewall unleashes a blackops virus that turns their laptops into bricks. Then what? I guess, that by JohnnyO's example, if you come into my open door and try to visit with my wife, and you step on a rake that gives you a brain anurism, I guess that makes me guilty (or not guilty) of manslaughter. I lost score in this ballgame. If the cops are in a pursuit in my neighborhood, and run their squad car off the road breaking the radio, and they want to use my home phone to call the office, I would let them. Not because I HAVE to, but to be a good citizen. If I HAD to, then the 4th amendment just went out the window. pd Jack Unger wrote: Holy brainfade, JohnnyO. Your comments about highly illegal just went STRAIGHT over my head. What's illegal about Brian's emergency communications operation? Hams have been providing emergency communications services since (literally) the sinking of the Titanic. jack JohnnyO wrote: Brian - Ham Operator or not - do you realize that what you're planning on doing is HIGHLY illegal and has several people over the past 2 yrs in Federal Prison as we speak ? Why don't ya'll get a VSAT system that works well for VOIP ? The cost is only about $60/mo more and you have no restrictions on bandwidth or stupid filtering like Wild Blue does JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:56 PM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for 802.11b/g I'm looking for a good client radio to use in an emergency communications vehicle. My criteria are, POE, highest gain panel antenna possible, scan/survey tool built in, web interface, 802.11b at minimum. I'm part of a ham radio emergency response group and we have our own comms van. I want to have a client radio that we can use on a push up mast to scan around for an open access point and grab bandwidth in an emergency on a scene. We respond with our county Hazmat team for support and the internet is handy. We already have a Wild Blue setup and that will work when necessary but I would like to be able to use something with lower latency so we can implement VOIP at times. I have not studied the 802.11b outdoor client radios in a long time and thought I would ask opinions here. Price is a consideration but the feature set is more important. Id' like to stay away from YDI/Proxim just because of their attitude on the phone whenever I have dealt with them. If any of you can point me to a link were I can purchase one that would be great. Have a nice day. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type
nod, a scan on the AP shows them... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 4:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type If they still operate as before, you shouldn't see them unless you set your tower as a client/cpe. I have never seen them do anything with an AP, other than BE one. Dis you know that was what the SST-PR-1 was before? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type yeah I can see 10 - 12 of them at any time off one of my towers. I'm 1/2 mile from a sears garage where they repair those vans... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type Hi Matt- Back in my old Net-Stumbler days (back when you could drive across Atlanta and see less than 20 Access Points, and 2 were my own), the experimenters of the day became perplexed by this SSID that kept popping up at random times. It was an Access Point named SST-PR-1 The first time I saw it, I was in my basement and I knew full well what I could normally receive down there. There were all kinds of theories: an AP on a low earth orbit satellite, something on a passing vehicle, some sort of temporary SSID on a piece of gear that just showed up right at bootup, etc. Googling for SST-PR-1 might actually turn up some of the old discussions about it. Anyway- I started seeing it a lot in the evenings after they built some apartments behind me. I sent my son over there on his bike with a camera to do some investigating. He soon found a Sears Service truck (the ones with the small Globalstar dish on top like you see on many semis) parked in front of an apartment. He went back with a laptop and traced the signal to this van. So we had it figured out- Sears truck. A few days later, my son saw the driver coming home for the evening and the driver gave him the dog and pony show of the truck computer. It is linked to Sears parts database via satellite. The SST-PR-1 is the SSID of an integral access point that allows the driver to use a laptop from inside the customer's home to check on parts, see service manuals, etc. The SST stands for Sears Smart Toolbox. I once told a friend about it and he set up a laptop to warn him when the Sears guy entered the neighborhood on his way to fix their refrigerator. An early warning system of sorts. So, the big SST-PR-1 mystery was finally solved by a 12 year old kid! Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC AHA I've been wondering where the hell that TruckPC request has been coming from!! Occasionally, I have techs who have left the radius authentication disabled on an access point and the dhcp logs will start to fill up with requests from TruckPC. They were coming from access points all over the place and I was a little perplexed. It is interesting to watch our radius logs too. I have one AP overlooking a little town of 200 people, but it is right next to an interstate and the radius log from that AP is always showing logins. Must be all the trucker laptops whizzing by looking for an open AP. I've been toying with the idea of turning on hotspot functionality so that we can provide transient access, and this is probably a good reason to do it. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ralph wrote: Well, JohnnyO- you might want to also educate these people, then: http://www.drivertech.com/ Their product, a Truckpc is being installed in many fleet vehicles. One fleet that comes to mind is US Express, a long haul package hauling service http://www.usxpress.com/ The device communicates back to the office via Satellite, Cellular, or WiFi- whichever is available and cheaper. According to the manufacturer, it can hunt down open and unsecured access points and do your HIGHLY illegal act of connecting and sending its data whenever it can. I'm not endorsing this behavior, of course, but I wanted to bring it to the attention of the list. How do I know? My WISP operates hotspot portals that allow casual users to make use of our mountain and tower-top sectors of WiFi. These cover major portions of several towns. These towns have a major Interstate route passing through them. I began noticing numerous TRUCKPC leases being granted by the DHCP servers in these towns. I became concerned about what they were, so I did a little internet research and ended up on the phone
RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type
no, mikrotik in this case, doing a 'scan' on the interface...shows their ssid's in their trucks... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type ad hoc mode? Rick Smith wrote: nod, a scan on the AP shows them... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 4:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type If they still operate as before, you shouldn't see them unless you set your tower as a client/cpe. I have never seen them do anything with an AP, other than BE one. Dis you know that was what the SST-PR-1 was before? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type yeah I can see 10 - 12 of them at any time off one of my towers. I'm 1/2 mile from a sears garage where they repair those vans... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type Hi Matt- Back in my old Net-Stumbler days (back when you could drive across Atlanta and see less than 20 Access Points, and 2 were my own), the experimenters of the day became perplexed by this SSID that kept popping up at random times. It was an Access Point named SST-PR-1 The first time I saw it, I was in my basement and I knew full well what I could normally receive down there. There were all kinds of theories: an AP on a low earth orbit satellite, something on a passing vehicle, some sort of temporary SSID on a piece of gear that just showed up right at bootup, etc. Googling for SST-PR-1 might actually turn up some of the old discussions about it. Anyway- I started seeing it a lot in the evenings after they built some apartments behind me. I sent my son over there on his bike with a camera to do some investigating. He soon found a Sears Service truck (the ones with the small Globalstar dish on top like you see on many semis) parked in front of an apartment. He went back with a laptop and traced the signal to this van. So we had it figured out- Sears truck. A few days later, my son saw the driver coming home for the evening and the driver gave him the dog and pony show of the truck computer. It is linked to Sears parts database via satellite. The SST-PR-1 is the SSID of an integral access point that allows the driver to use a laptop from inside the customer's home to check on parts, see service manuals, etc. The SST stands for Sears Smart Toolbox. I once told a friend about it and he set up a laptop to warn him when the Sears guy entered the neighborhood on his way to fix their refrigerator. An early warning system of sorts. So, the big SST-PR-1 mystery was finally solved by a 12 year old kid! Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC AHA I've been wondering where the hell that TruckPC request has been coming from!! Occasionally, I have techs who have left the radius authentication disabled on an access point and the dhcp logs will start to fill up with requests from TruckPC. They were coming from access points all over the place and I was a little perplexed. It is interesting to watch our radius logs too. I have one AP overlooking a little town of 200 people, but it is right next to an interstate and the radius log from that AP is always showing logins. Must be all the trucker laptops whizzing by looking for an open AP. I've been toying with the idea of turning on hotspot functionality so that we can provide transient access, and this is probably a good reason to do it. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ralph wrote: Well, JohnnyO- you might want to also educate these people, then: http://www.drivertech.com/ Their product, a Truckpc is being installed in many fleet vehicles. One fleet that comes to mind is US Express, a long haul package hauling service http://www.usxpress.com/ The device communicates back to the office via Satellite, Cellular, or WiFi- whichever is available and cheaper. According to the manufacturer, it can hunt down open and unsecured access points and do your HIGHLY illegal act of connecting and sending its data whenever it can. I'm not endorsing this behavior, of course
RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...
Patrick, what exactly is this illegal hardware you're referring to ? Can't be tranzeo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Lonnie, Not sure why you are fired up. Your product is software that gets loaded into hardware so I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about illegal hardware and what is untrue about what I said about illegal hardware suppliers? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Patrick, This is simply the LOWEST blow I have EVER seen you throw. You have always been an Evangelist and I have seen you come and go from several lists, while me and my people have survived legal blind sides and we have outlived several LARGER companies. Yep, pretty low. Plus it did not answer the question. I feel I cannot jump in since I am too close to the product and thus might be seen as self serving. What is your excuse? Lonnie On 12/28/06, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean, besides simply being illegal, such a vendor has no quality controls, they can also just up and walk away from you and quit anytime, they have no accountability, and it throws away your investment from an equity standpoint. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal (FCC-certified) brands? Good idea, Patrick, but it doesn't answer the question that was asked. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
RE: [WISPA] STar-OS and 900 mhz
Interesting thing is Mikrotik is seeing the same problem on 3.0beta4. They say it'll be corrected when beta 5 is released. No date on t that yet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] STar-OS and 900 mhz Tom, I haven't got time at the moment, but I have some experience with this combination... I'll write more later... but I believe there's a driver or radio problem that causes this. Mark +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: [WISPA] PAcket loss with CSMA/CA I just installed a PTP 900Mhz Atheros SR9 StarOSV3 link that had 5% packet loss that I could not get rid of. (Set 12mbps modulation, and averaged greater than 20db SNR.) In theory, CSMA/CA should not get PAcket loss, like a TDD system might, as the CSMA waits for acknowledment and re-transmits if it does not get it, Wifi's built-in native ARQ. I was not surprices to see Latency skyrocket, or retransmisson to sky rocket, but I was surprised to see uncorrectable 5% packetloss. Any ideas on why it occured. Meaning why 802.11 MAC didn't self correct the packet loss with its native re-transmission? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived - regardinginterference - Part 1 I go to see Mickey Mouse for a few days and look where this thread has gone...wow So, my 2 cents... One of the largest concerns in the license-exempt world is the question of a system's interference robustness. However, before we can get into further detail on the pros and cons of Alvarion VL vs Canopy, CSMA/CA vs GPS, etc -- it is necessary to realize that interference as a term is extremely broad and vague, and can mean just about anything to anyone. Heck, all radios in the market have some sort of interference robustness / avoidance capability -- the trick to understanding a system's capabilities is knowing what TYPE of interference the system can actually handle. Read on...I'll talk more about each particular platform when I get some time to write Part 2 =) WHAT IS INTERERENCE? In the wireless world, interference, by definition, is a situation where unwanted radio signals operate in the same frequency channels or bands - i.e. they mutually interfere, disrupt or add to the overall noise level in the intended transmission. Interference can be divided into two forms, based on whether it comes from your own network(s) or from an outside source. If the interfering RF signals emanate from a network under your control, whether it is on the same tower or several miles away, it is termed self-interference. If the opposing signals come from a network, device or other source that is not under your control, it is termed outside interference. Thus, the definition of what type of interference is being combated is not based on technology, but ownership. In licensed bands, where spectrum is relatively scarce (due to high costs) self-interference alone must be taken into account; however given a more or less known operating environment (the radio spectrum will only have signals transmitting that are under control by a single entity) proper product design and network deployment can reduce these interferes to a level where they do not impact network performance. Self-interference is not a phenomenon that is confined to licensed band operations; license-exempt bands must address the same issues. The techniques and design elements of a given product that serve to reduce and tame self-interference in licensed band operations can be applied directly to license-exempt systems. THE LICENSE-EXEMPT CHALLENGE OF INTERFERENCE In the license-exempt bands, not only must self-interference be accounted for, but, given the nature of the regulations governing these bands, external interference must be designed for as well. This can be extremely challenging, as there is no way of knowing in advance where these outside signals may be or will be sourced from, or even how strong the interfering transmissions will be relative to the desired transmission. This aspect of the license-exempt bands represents the possible downside of license-exempt network operation. Yet as potentially damaging and unpredictable as external interference can be in license-exempt networks, a properly designed and implemented
RE: [WISPA] latest ATT filing
why? You're the only one against it *wink* *wink* *nod* *nod* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] latest ATT filing Apparently, the rumor is the deal will be approved by the end of the day today. Seems like there should be some time period for public comment. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ruckus Units...
Did someone say they were a ruckus dealer ? I'd like to get a unit to test in a specific coverage area. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] salary
as long as you OFFER it to them on a poster somewhere in the building. At least, that's what NJ says... that way it's opt in and there's no discrimination -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary Peter, Everyone in an S Corp has to get the same benefits - so if you take health care, so does every employee is incorrect. We have consulted with our accountant and our attorney on this exact matter. We have about 30% of our employees with health insurance and 70% without. Travis Microserv Peter R. wrote: Sweat equity. The Google boys' $1 salary. Different levels of stock. Investors. }}} All of that is tax planning and corporate law. An S Corp has limitations - both tax and structure. There is a limit on who can be a stockholder and how many. (Like no foreign investment). There can only be one kind of stock. Everyone in an S Corp has to get the same benefits - so if you take health care, so does every employee. Minutes and meetings are required annually. Business plan is a necessity. Also, losses for 4 years straight for an LLC and S Corp is a flag at the IRS. Losses indicate a hobby. BTW, some states don't like the LLC (like California). The 2 reasons to incorporate is to reduce tax liability and protect against personal liability (asset protection). Asset protection and tax strategy are complicated. Many CPA's aren't equipped to do complex tax work. (They can only pump a 1040). Three good tax/asset strategists are Sandy Botkin, Lee Phillips, and Lisa Tom. Make sure that your CPA is willing to go with you to the IRS to defend your accounting practices. (And I would get that it writing). Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. (813) 963-5884 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Want a portable tower ?
I've got two of these, exactly the same. They're really stable. I've never measured them, but they say they go about 20' into the air. I am 6' and this one's about 2x over my head. I'd say around 15' or so, and there's still a lot to crank up on it. Got bored the other day, so I raised some Christmas lights :) They cost about $1k each, and about $250 to ship together to me from Texas, about 2 yrs ago. We never used 'em, as I never had the time / cash to get together a trailer to mount 'em to. Name me a price offlist, and I'll make a deal. They're both in perfect working condition. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Building WARboard radios
I figure about 15 minutes for an RB112 / mikrotik / SR5 and SR2 cards w/cables, exterior cables, and antenna hookup / testing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Building WARboard radios On average, how long does it take, to build a WAR/rootenna radio system, start to finish. Or I should say, how much time should the manager allocate for the process to be complete by their techs. Lets define some common variables Say the tech is building 5 at a time, of the same configuration. Assume that its mounting equipment that does not come as a complete kit, meaning the follow ing variable could occurs Need to find the correct standoffs. Net to cut sheet metal and drill holes for backplane. Need to power up and teset radio. Boards are WAR board preloaded with Firmware. PS. The WAR boards have narrower diameter mounting hole, and the typical coarse thread gold PC stand-offs are to wide and thread into the hole in appropriately. Any one have a source for the fine thread narrower diameter standoffs and nuts? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FW: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought
nope :) Guess why. Right. No one's getting my info from that data. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FW: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought Anyone else get this? _ From: FCC 477 Contact [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:46 AM To: FCC 477 Contact Subject: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought The attached Public Notice is being sent to you because you were the contact person for a FCC Form 477 filing. If you filed Form 477 as a contractor, consultant, or legal counsel for a client company, you may wish to forward this information to your client. The Public Notice provides a contact for further information. The Public Notice is also available online at http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-2534A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-2534A1.pdf. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Canopy 900 Mhz connectorized stuff
Got 2 AP's and 3 SM's, all 900 connectorized, all advantage hardware. Need to get rid of them, and recoup $$$, to be honest. They were installed, but only for a few weeks. We pulled the POP due to lack of funding for the area. Looking for $1200 per AP, and $250 per SM. Contact me offlist. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RE: [isp-wireless] ot, private chat
http://www.blabitonline.com is the site for my private-network secure i/m server and client. Not compatible with anything else, on purpose. Only closed-network. R -Original Message- From: Rick Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:09 PM To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: RE: [isp-wireless] ot, private chat Hey I wrote blab-it, still have it. Oops, just noticed the website's not working. lol. I've got several customers using it, it's just plain jane instant messaging, VERY secure - better than any government standards :) R -Original Message- From: Josh Cheney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:12 PM To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] ot, private chat Would a Jabber server fill their needs? Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, A few years back, there was a program called Blab-it. It was a private chat system. I have a couple of corporate customers that are interested in a Yahoo or MSN Messenger type application but they want it isolated to their own network (including remote offices) and they want better security. Anyone know of such a beast? I could probably handle something that rides on my server, but a system that would ride on the customer's server is what they are mostly after. thanks! Marlon -- Josh Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.joshcheney.com ___ The ISP-WIRELESS Discussion List ___ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/ To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. Copyright 2005 Jupitermedia Corporation All Rights Reserved. ___ The ISP-WIRELESS Discussion List ___ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/ To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. Copyright 2005 Jupitermedia Corporation All Rights Reserved. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] A wisp who went a little too far.......
I don't even know where to start. I understand the malicious part - employee gone bad, fine. Punish him. But 2 years ? and 3 yrs after ? This is unlicensed stuff, can we really claim business interruption !? I would've hoped I had a defense attorney that could say Hey, they have to accept ALL interference from ANY source since it's unlicensed... No matter the source. Of course, this is my opinion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] A wisp who went a little too far... The malicious code also locked SBT out of its own network so the damage could not be repaired by the normal process of remotely reconfiguring the access points from the company's office. This forced SBT's executives to send technicians to the homes or businesses of every single subscriber. Some users were down for less than a day while others were out of service for up to three weeks, according to the indictment. Fisher's malicious code also was designed to force SBT's equipment to repeatedly broadcast radio signals that would interfere with the signals of UT1 Internet and its customers. http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20061216/tc_cmp/196700266 A former IT consultant for a wireless Internet service provider was sentenced to two years in prison for breaking into the company's network and bringing down their service last year. ADVERTISEMENT Ryan Fisher, 24, of Vernal, Utah, received a sentence of 24 months in prison to be followed by 36 months of supervised release for intentionally damaging a protected computer. U.S. District Judge Paul G. Cassell also ordered Fisher to pay $65,000 in restitution. Fisher was charged on Feb. 15, 2006, in connection with the Feb. 28, 2005, attack that shut down Wi-Fi service to the customers of SBT Internet and UT1 Internet, which both provide service in and around Vernal, Utah. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced on Wednesday. The attack cut off service for one woman who was waiting for an e-mail notifying her about the availability of an organ transplant that she required, according to prosecutors. Because of her critical status, her provider gave her priority status and restored her access within 24 hours. Had her medical providers sent her an e-mail notifying her of a suitable organ donor and had she not responded because of her lost Internet access, she might have lost her priority for an organ, thus potentially extending the period she would have to wait for another donor, wrote prosecutors in the indictment. SBT Internet hired Fisher in the fall of 2004 as a contractor to help install and support wireless networks. The company trained Fisher and provided him administrator-level access to its networks. They also gave him passwords and encryption keys for customer's access points, as well as for the computer that controlled the company's radio towers that transmit Wi-Fi signals to its users. Fisher reportedly stopped working at SBT in February, 2005 because of a disagreement about some financial and business issues, according to the indictment. After he left SBT, he went to work for Internet Works, a competing service provider in the same area. He then bought the company and changed its name to East Basin Internet. According to the government, Fisher admitted he used an administrative password to break into SBT's network on Feb. 28, 2005. Once in the network, he plant malicious code that directed the radio tower computer to cut off Wi-Fi service to the company's users. The malicious code also locked SBT out of its own network so the damage could not be repaired by the normal process of remotely reconfiguring the access points from the company's office. This forced SBT's executives to send technicians to the homes or businesses of every single subscriber. Some users were down for less than a day while others were out of service for up to three weeks, according to the indictment. Fisher's malicious code also was designed to force SBT's equipment to repeatedly broadcast radio signals that would interfere with the signals of UT1 Internet and its customers. Both companies reported spending at least $5,000 each to discover what was causing the outages and get service back up. In total, more than 170 customers lost Internet service. The attack reportedly caused more than $65,000 in damages. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] salary
of course, if you own an Scorp, you HAVE to have annual meetings with minutes and post annual reports to the state. At least in NJ. And, Tom's right. Repayment of loans is a nice way to not pay tax. NOW, you can only do that if you've actually loaned the company things. But if you're a working partner, you're loaning time to the company which needs to be repaid at a certain rate. (so long as you don't claim expenses like mileage and other reimbursements - then you HAVE to take a salary. can't have the best of both worlds) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary Check with your CPA on that. The IRS likes to see salary and other activities that represent that your company really is a company and not a tax shelter so that you avoid the sole proprietor tax schedule. (It's called piercing the veil -- if you don't have minutes and annual shareholder meetings and run it like a business, you lose the corporate shield for tax purposes AND for liability as in civil litigation). - Peter Tom DeReggi wrote: Zero. When the CEO is also the primary investor, and the company is an S-corp or LLC, why pay payroll tax, when you can just take a repayment of loan? The salary of the CEO can be meaningless unless also disclosed wether they have an equity position or not, and of what caliber. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Email a Critical Service? was: A wisp who went a little too far.......
I still get junk mail in my mailbox at the road. I don't like pay-per-email ideas - they (spammers) will then just pay... I think the internet really needs to revamp the smtp idea with authenticated senders. Just having a 25 port open shouldn't be enough -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Email a Critical Service? was: A wisp who went a little too far... If email becomes that important then your business becomes worth more money. I welcome it personally. Obviously we will all need to investigate ways of creating a more stable email environment than we have now. I think we will need to consider developing a pay per email platform where messages are billable. This goes both ways. It fixes the spam issue also. This is our chance to become as important to the American public as the delivery of first class mail. This is important to discuss and debate. What is better? Email is not important or is vitally important? Scriv fred wrote: Why in the world, I want to know, are organ availability notifications going out via email???!!! Seriously. How fun will it be when they start serving subpeonas and such that way - What I never got that email?? ~fred On 12/16/06, Mike Ireton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The really interesting part of this: The attack cut off service for one woman who was waiting for an e-mail notifying her about the availability of an organ transplant that she required, according to prosecutors. Because of her critical status, her provider gave her priority status and restored her access within 24 hours. Had her medical providers sent her an e-mail notifying her of a suitable organ donor and had she not responded because of her lost Internet access, she might have lost her priority for an organ, thus potentially extending the period she would have to wait for another donor, wrote prosecutors in the indictment. People are starting to believe their email is guaranteed and that their computers can be entrusted with life saving information. Worse yet, it appears these prosecutors would have trumped this up and made hay out of it had her mail not gotten there. So in another context - what if the stock pump and dump scammers started using wrapper text that mentioned organ donations to the point of poisoning the Bayesian databases of all spamassassin enabled mail servers? What if the mail has been blocked outright due to other spam filtering already in place? Or put into a quarantine and she didn't look in her quarantine box in time? Or if the sending server of the mail was on an RBL due to some other user at the site sending spam to spamcop spamtraps for example? Drama is drama. I think what this guy did was reprehensible and he certainly deserves the clink, but what he did is not any kind of threat or risk to health and safety - the stupidity of using email and computers for life saving communications IS. $0.02 Mike- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] A wisp who went a little too far.......
oh yeah, that organ donor email thing is a bunch of crap. If you were in that situation, you'd be given a pager and a cell phone. They ring the pager, call the cell, call your house, and will have someone come to your house and PICK YOU UP IN AN ANBULANCE if it's that life threatening. THAT claim, I believe, is reprehensible. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Ireton Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 1:19 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] A wisp who went a little too far... The really interesting part of this: The attack cut off service for one woman who was waiting for an e-mail notifying her about the availability of an organ transplant that she required, according to prosecutors. Because of her critical status, her provider gave her priority status and restored her access within 24 hours. Had her medical providers sent her an e-mail notifying her of a suitable organ donor and had she not responded because of her lost Internet access, she might have lost her priority for an organ, thus potentially extending the period she would have to wait for another donor, wrote prosecutors in the indictment. People are starting to believe their email is guaranteed and that their computers can be entrusted with life saving information. Worse yet, it appears these prosecutors would have trumped this up and made hay out of it had her mail not gotten there. So in another context - what if the stock pump and dump scammers started using wrapper text that mentioned organ donations to the point of poisoning the Bayesian databases of all spamassassin enabled mail servers? What if the mail has been blocked outright due to other spam filtering already in place? Or put into a quarantine and she didn't look in her quarantine box in time? Or if the sending server of the mail was on an RBL due to some other user at the site sending spam to spamcop spamtraps for example? Drama is drama. I think what this guy did was reprehensible and he certainly deserves the clink, but what he did is not any kind of threat or risk to health and safety - the stupidity of using email and computers for life saving communications IS. $0.02 Mike- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] more ip tracking upgrades
now that's cool. See if Brandon can figure out the how many hosts are behind that IP address solution where you can then figure out who's reselling your service or just plain sharing it with everyone and their neighbor, at your expense. I've heard there's a set of bytes in the netflow headers that will tell you the mac address of the host behind the NAT box... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] more ip tracking upgrades Brandon has just made some changes on our tracking system. The biggest one is that we can now see top users per day. This will allow us to follow more of what's going on at night. Like yesterday, someone sent 3 gigs up to the net. They've got something on their machine that they are really not gonna want. Trying to pick that one customer out of all of the traffic that normally goes on was a real pain. With the new stuff it was a cake walk. radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrack laters, marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] AP Search
http://www.mikrotik.com hands down these days. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AP Search We're still looking for the ideal Access Point. We realize we can't pack much more then 30-40 on these so that's one limitation. We use basically three types: Older Smartbridges 2510 which are great units but unavailable, the New Smartbridges replacements which don't seem to want to consistently stay up and Engenius AP's. The reason we like the Smartbridge is because it allows a pass through username/password style of authentication that bypasses the switch so we can have a centralized access granted in our radius server and it interfaces to our billing. We haven't found another like it. On the other hand the Engenius has to have authentication through the switch before radius so the AP is essentially open to relaying from unethical competitors while the smartbridges. We're pretty sick of the new smartbridges being not only unreliable but takes forever to put in a MAC through it's overly complicated and slow loading internal menus. If you have any others that can work like the old 2510' s with good capacity and pass through radius please let me know. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] salary
I've been going through a bunch of sale / merger / buyout / funding meetings lately, and that's about the salary they've all agreed on for an owner of a wisp at around 500 users. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary I just take what I need home. It doesn't amount to much but the company pays all gas, cell phone, auto repair, computer etc. bills. So the number isn't really fair. We billed an insurance company for some work that I did after a storm, we negotiated a $4000 per month rate for me as a typical paycheck for a person with a company of this one's size. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:55 PM Subject: [WISPA] salary Hi, Just taking a quick survey... answer if you can, but be honest... ;) What is the salary of the CEO of your ISP? Even if you can share the percentage of that salary compared to annual gross revenue... Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik / SR9 / Incorrect Noise Floor
I've been seeing something strange in a pop I'm changing over from Trango 900 to Tik and SR9. The Trango AP reports the noise floor ( on all 4 channels ) to be no worse than -88 (for vpol, that's awesome!) I can make a link from 2 miles out with the trango, no problem. I remember surveying with a canopy 900 AP as well, and seeing about the same - -86 to -90. When I switch radios, with same antennas (the trango cpe in that case was using external antenna), I get no link, but an observed signal strength at the CPE side of -75 (which the trango CPE said too.) At the AP side, the Mikrotik box (version 2.9.38) reports a noise floor when using the monitor app, of -38!! This has GOT to be a bug. Has anyone else here seen this ? The problem here, is that these buggy numbers throw off the SNR ratio, and no connection from CPE- AP can be made. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] I missed billing a customer for 15 months !
Sign em to a 2 yr contract, up his fee by x$ (with some discount tossed in), and be done with it. As a cancellation fee, charge him that year's service you missed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I missed billing a customer for 15 months ! I agree. I'd say, I forgot to bill you yada yada, but since I'm such a nice guy I will not charge you the late fees, not disconnect you, and give you 6 months to catch up. Brian George Rogato wrote: Agreed, and I would not have mentioned any issues with my system either. What I would do though is offer not to charge him the late fees. You do charge late fees, right? George Peter R. wrote: This wasn't an email kind of thing. This was a phone call or visit kind of event. - Peter Jenco Wireless wrote: I just sent him an e-mail: Hello Mr. XXX . We just did a review of our credit card billing and realized that we have not successfully billed your account since 7/26/05. Our credit card service tried to bill you a few times (6), but for some reason was declined payment. Due to the timing of the catastrophic lightning strike we had in August '05, we did not catch this situation. We realize that some of this is our issue, since we did not catch it, but some may be on your end as well for the same reason (not noticing the fact that a charge for our service has not been incurred for the last 15 months). We would like to know your thoughts on how you think we should proceed with this? Thank you, Me ** Note - Why do the people who seem to be the nicest you have ever met seem to turn in to the biggest a-holes as soon as there is a 1 second glitch in their otherwise perfect Internet service :-) :-) ** -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] I want one!!!
about 50k. I remember getting rambunxious a while back. That call calmed me down :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Weddell Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] I want one!!! I just ordered the catalog and made a call. I will let you know about pricing!! Regards, David Weddell Director of Sales 260 827 2551 Office 800 363 4881 Ext 2551 260 273 7547 Cell www.onlyinternet.net www.oibw.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want one!!! Wow! Me, too. Any idea on pricing? Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: http://www.ustower.com/portables.html Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: 12/8/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: 12/8/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Industry failings
ditto, and now I've taken over 100% of the company from the one person that did help me along early on. We built a large network here in NJ - across 12 locations, and it covers 1000's of potential accounts with no access to dsl or cable. Now looking for someone to come in with some operating / capex capital and get some real growth going. Been in business plan mode for a week now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings Same here! Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Ok, thanks I'm 100% organic growth, here. And self-funded, too. Call it bootstrap, if you like. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings Organic Growth means creating revenue through sales and marketing. *Organic growth* is the rate of business /wiki/Business expansion through increasing output and sales as opposed to mergers /wiki/Merger, acquisitions /wiki/Acquisition and take-overs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_growth Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Industry failings
exactly. I've had two sales guys over the years, neither one of them could understand the concept of sell it where we've got it I'm willing to bet you guys have all seen the same problem. coverage area's worth nothing unless you have the means and the people to sell customers there. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings Rick Smith wrote: We built a large network here in NJ - across 12 locations, and it covers 1000's of potential accounts with no access to dsl or cable. Now looking for someone to come in with some operating / capex capital and get some real growth going. Been in business plan mode for a week now. Just make sure you don't try an sell your investment based on market opportunity alone. I have met many WISPs that talk about how much their company is worth based on their coverage area. The problem is that for many of them, they don't sell enough in their coverage area and years go by without enough penetration. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
I thought about the same things. Once I put canopy or trango in, I've gotta replace the whole damn radio once cable / dsl starts taking away my customers. I'm in a cable / dsl area, and taking customers away from them, and basing it on Mikrotik. We're faster, not cheaper, and definitely better. But without being able to push 5 meg to the customer, I couldn't offer those plans. Doing that with anything but Mikrotik or PERHAPS tranzeo is costly or impossible, in this area due to 900 mhz needs and no clear 5.8 range. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients I second Patrick comments, As a growing wisp and looking to acquisition opportunities, the only way I would buy a 802.11 based wisp was in the premise of tearing that equipment out and putting some Canopy in place... for others it could be Trango or Alvarion. 802.11 gear is good for starting out, but it doesn't scale ... been there, done that. Replaced 100's of 11b gear with Canopy, never looked back. Let me say more, that was the turning point of growth on my company.. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients No, at the moment just anecdotal. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients On 12/2/06, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about your network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it, but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price. An Alvarion network does bring a higher value. I'm sure Moto networks may fetch an okay price (not as high as an Alvarion network). But, and this is the reality, an 802.11b network has a much lower equity value. An 802.11 network using illegal gear will have an even worse value. That's just reality and I will try to get validation from one or two of the roll-up guys I know and I'll ask if I can quote him. ...(I've placed him in the bcc, hopefully he is around this weekend to extend his opinion.) Hi Patrick, What basis do you have for the claim that an Alvarion network will fetch a higher price than a Canopy network? Some analysis of historical sell prices? I'd be interested to see it. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
using SR9's, with small cells - 1 - 2 milers. I have towers fed with 5 gig Tik, and there's generally 20 meg available at any tower. We're pulling 5 gig connections down to a vantage point or two, then using an SR9 with an omni from there to feed SR9 CPEs that have SR2 APs inside -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 9:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients How can you do 5 meg per client on 900 MHz? You would have to have several times that speed available per sector. Are you using the whole 900 MHz band on one sector? If yes then how do you stop self-interference on adjacent sectors? Scriv Rick Smith wrote: I thought about the same things. Once I put canopy or trango in, I've gotta replace the whole damn radio once cable / dsl starts taking away my customers. I'm in a cable / dsl area, and taking customers away from them, and basing it on Mikrotik. We're faster, not cheaper, and definitely better. But without being able to push 5 meg to the customer, I couldn't offer those plans. Doing that with anything but Mikrotik or PERHAPS tranzeo is costly or impossible, in this area due to 900 mhz needs and no clear 5.8 range. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients I second Patrick comments, As a growing wisp and looking to acquisition opportunities, the only way I would buy a 802.11 based wisp was in the premise of tearing that equipment out and putting some Canopy in place... for others it could be Trango or Alvarion. 802.11 gear is good for starting out, but it doesn't scale ... been there, done that. Replaced 100's of 11b gear with Canopy, never looked back. Let me say more, that was the turning point of growth on my company.. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients No, at the moment just anecdotal. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients On 12/2/06, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about your network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it, but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price. An Alvarion network does bring a higher value. I'm sure Moto networks may fetch an okay price (not as high as an Alvarion network). But, and this is the reality, an 802.11b network has a much lower equity value. An 802.11 network using illegal gear will have an even worse value. That's just reality and I will try to get validation from one or two of the roll-up guys I know and I'll ask if I can quote him. ...(I've placed him in the bcc, hopefully he is around this weekend to extend his opinion.) Hi Patrick, What basis do you have for the claim that an Alvarion network will fetch a higher price than a Canopy network? Some analysis of historical sell prices? I'd be interested to see it. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). *** * *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). *** * *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. *** * -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless
RE: [WISPA] bare conduits
get a shop vac. get a box of pull string or a long enough piece of lightweight string. get a tennis ball (or whiffle ball) and tie the string to it. Turn on shop vac. Suck the ball through. Don't laugh. It'll work! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] bare conduits On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, chris cooper wrote: Im looking at a project that requires connectivity between multiple buildings on the same campus. There are 4 conduits connecting each facility. The conduits are bare, Id like to run fiber in them, and there are no pull cords in them. Some are several hundred yards long. Ive heard that you can blow a cable through a conduit. Can anyone enlighten me on equipment/technique for this application? If the conduit is dry, you can sometimes use a vacuum on one end and it will pull a small string through. You may, also, try to use a pull ribbon. When you do get something in there, be sure to pull through another ribbon/string to use to pull with next time. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
We're installing SR9 clients with a 2.4 antenna on it, and never going in the house except for power. Customers sign onto the *hotspotted* 2.4 antenna, and if their neighbors want to sign on as well, so be it. Can't do that with Alvarion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE (under the AlvarionCOMNET program) without needing to piece things together so the points of failure risk and truck roll is both much smaller, not to mention a warranty and domestic supply and support. VL CPE comes with mounting hardware too and the cable. Our stuff is also all fully FCC legal. (donning flame suit now) - Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients Exactly, after you add the rootenna, you are at $348, plus International Shipping charges (if in US). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: cw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients http://www.star-v3.com/store/ $262 ea in ten packs + roo. Rick Smith wrote: Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ? What kind of pricing per CPE I'm looking at a couple places, and coming back with like $350 each for a rootenna / cable / SR9 / P.S. and RB112 Anyone see anything different ? R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
There's no license fees if you're buying routerboards for Mikrotik. Also, add 2.4 cards (SR2) and cabling / antenna at each client, and you've now built a mesh, so to speak, with coverage off each customer to new customers. Those setups add about $200 here and there when you do the repeaters. But again, Alvarion can't touch $500 for 900 CPE and 2.4 AP all on one POE cable. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:27 PM To: Joe Laura; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients It is a fair question and what I would say is that the AU is an even more critical point in the network. Our AUs have options to be inserted into chassis with redundant power supplies, etc. The difference in cost of the AU is minimal when working out the entire cost of the sector and its clients, especially when working in the OPEX issues. For example, OPEX aside, let's say you are in the AlvarionCOMNET program and buy at the minimum level of 25 CPE, which would get you a $285/CPE cost with free shipping. Let's assume all 25 of those attach to a VL sector. In that case the sector will cost you about $1900 plus $285 x 25, or $9,025. The equivalent size network at Mikrotik with the prices in this thread would be $348 x 25 + the $500 AU or $9,200 + shipping. So, not even counting the OPEX issues, reduced truck roll, and shipping we are $175 cheaper. Then add in the 1 year free warranty, domestic support, FCC legality, and higher equity value of the network. Let's not forget no user license fees, no fee for new software upgrades. Is my math wrong? The business equation seems simple unless I am seriously missing something. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients But is your A/P under $500.00 like the RB532 and SR9? K, Im just kidding. Its Friday. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE (under the AlvarionCOMNET program) without needing to piece things together so the points of failure risk and truck roll is both much smaller, not to mention a warranty and domestic supply and support. VL CPE comes with mounting hardware too and the cable. Our stuff is also all fully FCC legal. (donning flame suit now) - Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients Exactly, after you add the rootenna, you are at $348, plus International Shipping charges (if in US). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: cw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients http://www.star-v3.com/store/ $262 ea in ten packs + roo. Rick Smith wrote: Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ? What kind of pricing per CPE I'm looking at a couple places, and coming back with like $350 each for a rootenna / cable / SR9 / P.S. and RB112 Anyone see anything different ? R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
