[WISPA] Billing Solution

2018-01-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
What do we got out there for billing solutions?  My current one is not 
working out.  I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I 
liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be 
falling apart.  I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 
days and they just can't get it done.  It's beyond frustrating, time 
consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why 
my payment site is not secure.  I can't take it anymore.  I need some 
recommendations on whats out there.  I want good support.  I need a 
solution with support.  What's everybody using?  What do you like and 
dislike about it?


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Re: [WISPA] Internet Coverage in Charlotte, MI

2016-08-18 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I might be able to help, it's at the edge of my coverage area. Send me 
the address.




Brian Rohrbacher

Reliable Internet, LLC


On 8/12/2016 7:23 PM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net wrote:
I am looking for a WISP in Charlottle, MI area.  This is a city south 
of Lansing, MI.  Have a person searching for service.


Thank you,

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Byhalia.net, LLC



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Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Ceragon IP20's?

2014-06-24 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

  
  
I'm also interested in some feedback.

On 6/12/2014 11:16 AM, Gino Villarini
  wrote:


  
  

  Feedback?
  






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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-09 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I've contacted MT support once.  It was a week ago.  I had an old 532 
running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade.  I went to the website, filled out 
the form, attached the sup file and sent it.  I got a reply five minutes 
later with a new key.  I upgraded.  Life is good.  :)

Brian


On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
 use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
 absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
 usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
 fixed in a newer release.

 MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
 from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
 complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
 e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
 those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
 with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.

 The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
 different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
 that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
 to come off as being a bit brusk to us.

 I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
 They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
 the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
 the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
 stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
 had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
 to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.

 When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
 it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
 put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
 first EdgeRouter.

 Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
 any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
 up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.

 I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
 works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
 still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
 it is an alpha release...

 I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
 the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
 in the field.

 UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
 point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.


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Re: [WISPA] 45g tower wind load specs

2010-04-29 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I believe it was 3/16 for the bottom 4 and 1/4 for the top set and I 
think the anchors are 136 foot from the base.

Brian

On 4/26/2010 12:18 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote:
 What size guy wire did you use and how far away are the anchors?




 Thanks,
 Cameron Kilton
 Project Manager
 Midcoast Internet Solutions
 http://www.midcoast.com
 c...@midcoast.com
 (207) 594-8277 x 108

 On 4/26/2010 10:04 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 I'm having a terrible time finding what kind of wind load my 170ft tower
 will take.  Anyone have a spec sheet to forward me?

 Brian


 
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[WISPA] 45g tower wind load specs

2010-04-26 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I'm having a terrible time finding what kind of wind load my 170ft tower 
will take.  Anyone have a spec sheet to forward me?

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Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel?

2010-01-04 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Cool.  Makes me feel hopeful prices will come down.

Brian

On 1/2/2010 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Far East Asia Promotion - International Ethernet.  Get 10Mb connectivity from 
 Singapore to Los Angeles for $2000. Offer expires January 31, 2010

 Some parts within our country can't get that, yet they're going 8800 miles.


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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-12 Thread Brian Rohrbacher


Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

My rep offered to analyze my statement and he'd provide me a quote, but I 
declined saying that I knew they'd be lower, and they offered a more 
accepted API than my current processor (local bank).


Matthew Miller
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mmil...@ippay.com
cell: 630/800-8714 . office: 847/346-0990 x-7025
16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 . tel: 847.346.0990 fax: 
847.346.0991


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

 I've been with authorize.net for nearly 10 years and am basically happy 
 with
 them.
 With that said, I considered switching to IP-Pay but could never get a 
 full
 quote from them.
 Robert, Please let me know how it goes.
 -RickG

 On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Robert West 
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed to death
 with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with 
 authorize.net
 ?



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Re: [WISPA] HELP!!! (resolved)

2009-10-10 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Thanks for all the responses. I have to give a big shout out to CTI
and Jeff Ehman.
I didn't end up ordering part from CTI this time but Jeff saw my
post and went out of his way to drive over a half hour to Pac's
warehouse. He flagged someone down through a window and checked on my
order status. Luckily, it had shipped out. So I will have all
replacement parts Saturday. But, wow. Thanks Jeff. Go CTI!!
Hutton, Allcom PC, Pac, and Defacto Wireless were also all able to get
overnight Saturday delivery orders out with only hours notice, so
thanks to them as well.

Brian




  Oh, forgot..  Be careful stacking that steel with only a one day cure
unless you're using a good mix!  We don't need another accident!  



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Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:09 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] HELP!!!

Help, I had a tower go down.  My whole network is down since yesterday.  
We are putting up a 170ft tower.  Pouring hot concrete tomorrow morning 
and looking to stack the steel monday and be back up and running.  I 
have all replacement gear for Saturday delivery but the stuff from pac 
wireless.  I can't get them on the phone to see if it went out.  If not, 
I have two options.  I have a friend in Chicago right now for a wedding, 
he can bring the stuff back or I'll drive 6 hrs and do it myself.  I 
need an after hrs contact of someone at pac who can get stuff done.  I 
need them to tell me if items were shipped or let me in the shop to pick 
them up.  I am limited on email.  Please call me and if I don't answer 
leave message.  I need contact info for pac please!  Also, pray for the 
guy that rode the elevater leg to the ground.  It's been 36 hrs and he's 
still alive.  Links to video and story.

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/Faulty_weld_caused_silo_ac
cident

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/silo_accident
'
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[WISPA] HELP!!!

2009-10-09 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Help, I had a tower go down.  My whole network is down since yesterday.  
We are putting up a 170ft tower.  Pouring hot concrete tomorrow morning 
and looking to stack the steel monday and be back up and running.  I 
have all replacement gear for Saturday delivery but the stuff from pac 
wireless.  I can't get them on the phone to see if it went out.  If not, 
I have two options.  I have a friend in Chicago right now for a wedding, 
he can bring the stuff back or I'll drive 6 hrs and do it myself.  I 
need an after hrs contact of someone at pac who can get stuff done.  I 
need them to tell me if items were shipped or let me in the shop to pick 
them up.  I am limited on email.  Please call me and if I don't answer 
leave message.  I need contact info for pac please!  Also, pray for the 
guy that rode the elevater leg to the ground.  It's been 36 hrs and he's 
still alive.  Links to video and story.

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/Faulty_weld_caused_silo_accident

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/silo_accident
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[WISPA] PS2 Stock

2009-09-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Anyone?  I can't find any.

Brian



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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
  
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  inspired, and success achieved.
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
  

  
  matter
  
  

  if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.
Too
many
people out to "gotcha". And the ones who ask to see our liability
insurance
before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be
  

  
  nightmares,
  
  

  we
get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
  
  
I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the

  

  
  tripods
  
  

  
and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:


  4" length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

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Mike wrote:

  
  
'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks.

At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:




  ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8"
Unistrut with 1/4" lags and clamp the pipe to it.


  




  

  

  
  
  
  

  
  
  

  
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I sure do love my Milwaukee Li Ion set. It's nice!

Brian

RickG wrote:

  I've had about the same experience with my Dewalt and cant complain
too much. The chuck binds once in a while and the clutch seems to be
going out so...I'll be in the market soon and wondering if there is
anything better.
Thanks! -RickG

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
  
  
We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc. Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years. (funny part is one of them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you find one that works you stick with it.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
always get the home owners permission.

On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
-RickG

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote:


  We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when
it's the only option.

We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a
leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time.

As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would
normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill
the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill.
The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with
high end brick or concrete.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it
(not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
  
  
I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once,
not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for
not
installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and
are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I
hate
is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall,
are
tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
install.

Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
of
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter
if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too
many
people out to "gotcha". And the ones who ask to see our liability
insurance
before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares,
we
get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:


  I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods
and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:
  
  
4" length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

/\
   /-\
  /   \
 / \
/\




Mike wrote:



  'splain please! How is that configu

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word.
Terrain.

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote:

  Wow that's a lot of extra work per install!  How high/far are your APs
and what band are you using that needs this extra effort?

On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:
  
  
If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my
installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak
with guy wires.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
when
it's the only option.

We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never
had a
leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
time.

As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
would
normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I
drill
the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
drill.
The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with

high end brick or concrete.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
(not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:


  I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money
  

once,


  not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us
  

for


  not
installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there
  

and


  are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I
  


  hate
is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some
  

reason


  those are always the people who have their computers on an inside
  

wall,


  are
tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
install.

Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through
  

experience


  of
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
  

ambition


  inspired, and success achieved.
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  

On


  Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
  

matter


  if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.
  

Too


  many
people out to "gotcha".  And the ones who ask to see our liability
insurance
before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be
  

nightmares,


  we
get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



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On


  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
  
  
I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the

  

tripods


  
and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:


  4" length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

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Mike wrote:

  
  
'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:




  ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8"
Un

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the
tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:

  4" length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

/\
   /-\
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   / \
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Mike wrote:
  
  
'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
  


  ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8"
Unistrut with 1/4" lags and clamp the pipe to it.

  





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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Oh ya. I love my lag bolts! A strip of mastic and send the lag right
through it. 5 years, thousands of holes and not a leak to speak of.
It's not uncommon for me to do a 45 minute install. (I;m the boss.
It's not like I get paid by the hour!)

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote:

  Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
  
  
I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods
and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:


  4" length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

/\
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Mike wrote:

  
  
'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:




  ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8"
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone needing a good network admin / installer / wear any number of hats kind of guy :-)

2009-08-13 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I would like some info as well

Jason Hensley wrote:
 Thanks to all that have replied.  I'll pass info along to each of you soon. 


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 Subject: [WISPA] Anyone needing a good network admin / installer / wear any
 number of hats kind of guy :-)

 I have someone looking for a change that would make a great employee for
 someone.  I don't have an opening right now and I don't think he wants to
 stay in this area anyway.  Very flexible on relocation.  If you're needing
 someone, please let me know and I'll put you in touch with him.  Offlist
 please.  

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Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator

2009-08-03 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Put the word GREEN in that grant app and you might just have a shot!
Not too bad of an idea with those solar panels.

Brian

Christopher Erickson wrote:

  The right type of batteries could give you 15 to 20 years of service.

And adding a pair of solar panels and an MPPT solar charge controller could
increase your backup battery run time from a couple of days to a couple
of weeks.  And no volatile fuel issues to deal with either.  And their PMI
interval is a godsend too.  And cheaper than a genny.

Add another panel or two and you might even be able to drop your grid
connection.

Remember to eliminate as many power conversions as possible from your
telecom power design.

-Christopher Erickson
Network Design Engineer
5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529
Anchorage, AK 99508
N61?11.710' W149?46.723'


  
  
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator


Patrick,

In general, sounds like good advice.

To clarify our intent, in posting.

From yr 2000-2008, our model was to

1) Have minimum 12 hour run-time of battery for core cell sites.
2) Have contingency plan for hooking up a mobile gasoline powered
generator,
in longer lasting Emergencies.
(We have a couple hot spare generators)

Why are we changing our view point?

1) Many of the batteries have now died, and need replaced. Batteries are
still very expensive. Propaine Generators have come way down in
price (aka
Generac) In most case, the generator will be less expensive than the
batteries, based on watt load at the sites.

2) Our network has grown, but our staff size has shrunk. We realize the
challenge that more than one site can loose power at once, and
harder to get
to multiple locations at once with generators.
Its hard to know when batteries will hold or not, when
towards the end
of their life, so its always a rush with the genrators. 9/10 cases by the
time we get generators onsite, the power gets restored within minutes.

3)  Its easy to throw a generator on a Grant Application :-)

We believe permanent onsite generators would likely increase
uptime, and not
necessarilly be more expensive, for some of our sites. (We'd of
course still
keep some patteries inline) The question is whether it will be
more hassle
than we realize to re-fill them and inspect them. Some people told me
quarterly inspections are needed, or sometimes they do not start when
needed.

We are already connected to building generators, where we were
allowed to,
so we are looking at sites where our only option was to put in our own.
I'm still uncertain what objections or preferences property
management would
have for this type stuff.  For example, whether they would be concerned
about it blowing up if a gas leak occured.

I actually have one building in mind wher egetting a new electrical
connector from the roof to the ground would be really a big pain. Would
require Xray and drilling every floor of 20.
There I'd like to put a roof mounted propaine generator. I was thinking
maybe the best option is to just have a small external tank, and swap the
tank after use?

I would think where there is pre-existing riser space, I'd want
to mount on
ground level, and run thick gauge AC wire up.

Mostly I was wondering if management companies look for specific features
for the device, or if Generac would offer all standard features
to meet the
requirements of code and property managers.

For our smaller watt sites, we'd of course stick with batteries.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: "Patrick Shoemaker" shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator




  Yes, it's possible to get a generator installed on a roof, but it will
be an expensive project in our area due to the code compliance issues.
However, most commercial buildings will have a preexisting emergency
power system for critical loads installed already. There are strict
requirements such as sub 10 second startup times, routine testing, and
fuel availability requirements. If you talk to the building engineer,
you might be able to convince them to allow you a small amount of power
from an emergency circuit. The buildings I am in do this for most of
their tenants for phone systems, etc.

Failing that, have an electrician run conduit to the parking lot and
place a power inlet down there. Be sure to have 24 hours of battery
capacity, and use a trailer-mounted generator in the parking lot for the
rare outage that lasts longer than the batteries.


Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


Tom DeReggi wrote:
  
  
While on the 

Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter?

2009-08-01 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Don't be afraid to get creative with your backup connection. Mine is a
$60 a month 6 meg down and 768k up DSL line. Sure we average 12 meg on
the bandwidth graph, but it's better than being off. When I have to
use the backup I limit all connections to 56k up and 100k down.

Brian

Tom DeReggi wrote:

  Actually, I disagree with your example.

You let your customer down, not Qwest.
Did you route them out your secondary transit? If you didn;t have one, thats 
not the customer's faught.
Did you let him know that you are trying to contact Quest yourself to get 
more information on an ETA, and influence a work around?
Did he feel you were in control of the situation? Or did you leave him to 
fend for himself, even though you were the expert on the technology?

Sending the message, "oh well, its down, not my problem, let all my own 
customers suffer, so what" is not taking care of your clients.
If you had communicated with your client making him feel like you were 
working towards defending his interests, he never would have took action 
into his own hands and called Qwest directly to investigate further, and get 
false answers.

So yes, Customers can be irrational, often unfair and unforgiving, but if 
you want to keep your clients its up to you to deal with it and take care of 
them.
Who's faught it is, is irrelevent. Customer Service is about taking care of 
the customer.

I just lost a customer 2 weeks ago. Power went out AGAIN! It keeps blowing 
breakers on electrical panels not under my controll or access.  I can put 
UPSes there all day, but that does no good if breakers turn off upstream of 
my electrical Demarc.  But DSL, CABLE, and Cellular EVDO didn't go out every 
time the property had power failures.  It was my faught that I designed a 
business install to be behind an electric  breaker that was outside my 
control to manage.  If I did my job and took care of the client, I would 
have called the power company or property management and redesign an 
alternate solution, after the first couple of times the power went out.  But 
I didn't.  Yes, I lost the client, and yes, it was my fault.  Blaiming it on 
the Power Company didn't work for long.

Just keeping it real.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Ghering" rgher...@gmail.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is 
itgettingbetter?


  
  
Yesterday, we had a long term upstream outage. Someone in Qwest killed our
ATM upstream and somehow we were getting crosstalk to another ATM PVC.
(Don't ask nobody can tell me how this was done).

In the mean time customers are calling us screaming that they need their
net. Our staff politely informs them all day long that this isn't a issue
with us, its upstream. Some customers accept that and move on for the day.

However the kicker!! One of our customers which is a dedicated 3 meg calls
up and asks, "Are you down" I say yes at this time the internet is down 
due
to a problem with qwest in Denver. The customer says "ok, do you have an
ETA?" I tell him no not at this time the problem is with qwest not with 
us.
Customer says "ok thanks" and hangs up.

Not 20 minutes later I get a phone call from the customer, he's mad as 
hell
and spitting nails. I only caught about 1/2 of what he had said. But it
sounded like. "Your a damn lier, I call qwest, they have NO issues 
anywhere.
I want my ** Net or you can kiss my account goodbye a**hole.."

Then he hangs up. ( mind you this is a business customer )

I call him back about an hour later and he says he's canceled. And will 
get
service from somewhere else.

How can this be? How was this my fault?

Customers are irrational and stupid..  Agreed. lol


Ryan

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:



  roflol

Rick this is a GOOD thing  Your customers call you for all problems
because YOU WILL ANSWER THE PHONE!!

Sometimes great service levels suck.  lol
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Rick Kunze" rku...@colusanet.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:40 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is it
gettingbetter?


  
  
Customer calls just now.  They ask if the Internet is "having trouble",
I reply that there are no outages.  She then says she called a couple 
of
her friends in neighboring towns and they were all down too.  She asks
if any other people have called today with problems.  I replied stating
that a day doesn't go by without someone calling with such an issue 
etc.

I ask her for some details, "any message on the screen?"  She says that
a message popped up that said, "No Input".  I thought to myself for a
minute and replied, "I'm unaware of any Windows message that says 
that."
 I asked, "This is in 

Re: [WISPA] Nanostation dish

2009-07-27 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I think they are 10db stock.  Boost that to 18 and I would say that is 
pretty good.

Brian

Jerry Richardson wrote:
 Have you seen these?

 http://rfantennadesign.com/page35.html

 6-8dB sure isn't much.




 
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Re: [WISPA] 802.11 CPE's

2009-07-20 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




also...

Butche Evans
CTI
Streakwave

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote:

  IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER:

Roc Noc
Quicklink Wireless
Pasadena Networks
WISP Router
Titan Wireless
TenX Networks

Done business with them all and I am happy.

On 7/20/09, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
  
  
Looking for a good MT vendor.  The fellow I've been trying to work
with has gone AWOL.  I need to get a link going for a community
project pretty quickly.

Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I have heard .5-2 times annual many times on this list

Josh Luthman wrote:

  One way I have heard it done:

Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and
that's the buy out cost starting point.  Seen this more so with telecom
(voice) then data services, but it's a place to start.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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improbable, must be the truth."
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr 
pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote:

  
  
I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before.  We
are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size
wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma.  We have about 500 (growing
daily) subscribers.  Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth
of the business.  Any thoughts or formulas for determining this?



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Re: [WISPA] URGENT need contact for Mikrotik Parts near southwest Ohio

2009-07-11 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I also woke to a site being down (5 actually because they are fed thru 
the one that got it).
I lost an omni (big hole in it), switch, 433ah, 532, and associated 
cards and pigtails were replaced too.  It's was not too bad really. 
Took me 3 hrs from the time I rolled out of bed to the time my feet were 
back on the ground and off the tower.

brian

Josh Luthman wrote:
 So I wake up with thunder shaking the house and 3 minutes later, text
 messages start blowing up my phone.  I lost two out of three AN50 ODUs
 and 3 of 3 433ah boards.  Two Trango 5800 APs survive (though one
 needed a new poe).  The 493 concentrator/switch lost some ports, too.

 If anyone has mobile numbers for anyone at Roc Noc or Quicklink
 Wireless I would greatly appreciate you providing me (offlist) with
 getting a hold of them.

 I'm about 2 hours from Quicklink and 6 hous from Roc Noc.

 If anyone knows of a MikroTik vendor near south west Ohio besides
 these two I would appreciate knowing about them, too, and would love
 to get a hold of them this weekend.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cordless VOIP Phone

2009-07-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Same here with a baby monitor we have. I love it.

Brian

Brian Webster wrote:

  My GE DECT 6.0 phones have range far better than any other cordless phone
I've owned. It's a huge difference.



Thank You,
Brian Webster



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Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cordless VOIP Phone


2009/7/7 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net:
  
  
The advantage of DECT is that it uses a custom frequency. You don't have

  
  to
  
  
worry about interference with any of your WISP gear.

  
  
Yeah, I have deployed quite a bit of DECT, but if he isn't running any
900mhz, then a Senao is a much better option. The range is very bad
with the DECT stuff, even the fancy multi-thousand dollar "enterprise"
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Re: [WISPA] Nano's anyone?

2009-07-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I just got 10 from them, after all other sources were dry..

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote:

  First person I would call is

Gary Shield
Direct Line 956-444-2360
g...@caymanwireless.com

Cayman is where I have gotten my Ubnt stuff recently.  They seem to do a
great job keeping stock with the way Ubnt does things.
**
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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:

  
  
We go through about 7 Nano 2.4's a week.  Out of the blue and with no
advance notice our vendor says "oh were out until the end of the month.
Then I see my two other back-up vendors are also out, Thanks Ubiquity.

Does anyone have a source of these so I can get some stock in? I know
there are other similar radios out there but I hate cross branding my
system.

Thanks,
Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance

2009-07-01 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I have a lot of Demarc and Deliberant gear that will not, as well as
older tranzeo.

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote:

  So as long as you software upgrade your units you can do 5 and 10 mhz
channels.

That makes the list of equipment that can't do 5/10 mhz channels empty
again, unless anyone else has something.

No one say smartbridge =P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote:

  
  
Josh Luthman wrote:


  So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with



But not..

StarOS
WARP

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  

Actually you can do 5 and 10 MHz channels with star and wraps, but not
V2, only V3 .
V3 is the beggining of channel widths for star.
V2 is old firmware.





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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance

2009-07-01 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Is it possible to do a virtual ap in Mikrotik that uses the smaller
channels so I can put new subs on that?

Brian

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

  Tranzeo gear supports 10mhz and 5mhz channels on their radios made in the
last 2 years. I am using them in 10mhz channels talking to a Mikrotik AP and
it works great!

Kurt Fankhauser
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance

What 802.11 gear doesn't?  Tranzeo maybe..?

On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  
Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports
smaller channels. Egads, another items for my "to do list"!
Thanks! -RickG

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh
Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


  That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is
only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels.

You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get
service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the
bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use
the smaller channels.

On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  
After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out
advise but here it goes anyway:
My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to
stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just
my two cents worth...
-RickG

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com
wrote:


  I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas.
It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we
reach
but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that
area
asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a
set
of
2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess
  

  

  
  that
  
  

  

  can
be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for
sector?
Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards.

My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we
  

  

  
  use
  
  

  

  1
card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8
  

  

  
  and
  
  

  

  use
our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots
on
the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this
whole
thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the
backhaul?
My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running
away
from me

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Curtis Maurand
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance




  

  

  
  http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php
  
  

  

  

If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain.
From the website.

*2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna*

*The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers
24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high
gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat
painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design
the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics.



Michael Baird wrote:
  
  
Marlon,

Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors
specificatons.

Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth.
Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth.

Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again
it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe
gain
not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna
design.

Regards
Michael Baird



  Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas.

If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with
GREATER
coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the
power
  

  
  

  (3DB of gain).


  

  

  

  
  http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h
  
  

  

  tm
  
  

  laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
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To: "WISPA General List" 

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance

2009-07-01 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Please show me where to setup 5/10 mhz channels on these five
radios..
2 of these don't even do G, so if they do 5 mhz channels, that is news
to me.

Deliberant 2100
Deliberant 2500
Demarc RWB-MCPE
Demarc RWO Plus
Demarc RWO Plus HPG



Brian




Michael Baird wrote:

  Deliberant 2.4 gear supports 5/10/20 mhz channel widths.
Demarc supports it on their mini-pci cards, I would suppose they support 
it on their AP/CPE's also.

Yes, older non-atheros tranzeo's don't support it, lots of old gear 
doesn't support 802.11g either.

Regards
Michael Baird
  
  
I have a lot of Demarc and Deliberant gear that will not, as well as 
older tranzeo.

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote:


  So as long as you software upgrade your units you can do 5 and 10 mhz
channels.

That makes the list of equipment that can't do 5/10 mhz channels empty
again, unless anyone else has something.

No one say smartbridge =P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote:

  
  
  
Josh Luthman wrote:



  So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with



But not..

StarOS
WARP

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  
  

Actually you can do 5 and 10 MHz channels with star and wraps, but not
V2, only V3 .
V3 is the beggining of channel widths for star.
V2 is old firmware.





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Re: [WISPA] Anyone have NS2 in stock?

2009-06-27 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I don't think the NS2 has the second ethernet port..

Michael Baird wrote:

  Same OS, same chipset, same radio ns2/ps2, only difference is the 
antenna size and case.

Regards
Michael Baird
  
  
I'm hearing to avoid the ns2 and go with the ps2/5. Less issues.

What do folks say?

I've been putting some decent load in both a hotspot and point to point 
configuration configuration. It's worked flawlessly so far.

I'm planning to do some pretty serious stress testing on it and see if I 
can break it.



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[WISPA] Anyone have NS2 in stock?

2009-06-26 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Please contact offlist.

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone have NS2 in stock?

2009-06-26 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




website says out of stock.

Matt Jenkins wrote:

  www.wlanparts.com

Josh Luthman wrote:
  
  
I would like to know if anyone has some NS2s too, please.

On 6/26/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:


  Please contact offlist.

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[WISPA] PS2 in stock

2009-06-10 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Anyone know where or have and ubiquity PS2 in stock?  QTY 5-20?

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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Complaints about what is leaking out all over their desk/floor

Butch Evans wrote:

  On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
  
  
Customer complaints???  About what's inside the cable?!

  
  
Lol.  Not what's "inside the cable", but what pushes OUT of the cable
when you have a long run. 

  






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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-28 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




The only problems I have had in 5 years is cable wearing through
because it was not tied on properly and power supplies and ends going
bad because water dripped into then. I've never seen water hurt a
cable, even a cut cable. It only hurts the ends. I have had cables
get water in them so I make a cut at the bottom of the drip loop and
then the water does not damage any more ends and power supplies, it
simply drains out.

Brian

George Rogato wrote:

  Thats a good comparison Tom.
Couple things I should note, which I thought about after I posted.
I live in the Pac North West, not the South West, Arizona Nevada or 
Texas. I'm not sure blue cat 5 would stand up in outdoor situations 
there when it is exposed to the hellacious sunlight there.
And when I run my cat 5 I try my best to hide it so it looks good. Like 
on the underside of eves and the backside of the fascia board, behind 
down spouts and gutters. those places do not generally get much sunlight.
And it's rare that I do an exposed roof run.

I really can only comment on my experience. I'm sure things are 
different in other parts of the country.


Tom DeReggi wrote:
  
  
You made a good point that regular CAT5 actually can last quite a while, if 
someone wanted to use it.
And the cheapest if they wanted to use PVC, at $60 a spool/box.


  
  


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Re: [WISPA] What do you charge for a wireless router setup?

2009-05-05 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Same here. Free if they provide it. $75 including router is we do
it. Why, because we want it secured so the neighbors can't have my
service for free, so we can password it so they can't screw it up, and
we also turn on remote management so we can help them remotely if we
want to. I watch the internet and by 10-20 dollar refurb wireless
routers and I think I make out pretty good. And for the ones that die,
we replace them no questions asked for the first year (because they are
refurb)

Brian

Blair Davis wrote:

  
  
If the router is there at the time of the install, we do it for free...
  
Pat O'Connor wrote:
  
I was thinking a $35 fee  for on site setup.  A $20 fee if they brought 
the router in within 48 hrs of the scheduled installation date.   Is 
this appropriate?  What are the rest of you doing?

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] WAN HotSpot and Polarity

2009-04-30 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Dual polarity as in you are horizontal and vertical.

Or as in the nano will do either polarity?

As far as I know the nano does either (software switchable) not both.
But, it would not be the first time I was wrong.

Brian

Charles Wyble wrote:

  The NS2 is dual polarity.

Not sure what polarity the clients are. We get a lot of Iphones/Ipods as 
clients.

So I haven't done any scientific studies, but wanted to give a real 
world indication of AP selection and coverage area.



Tom DeReggi wrote:
  
  
well thats interesting, but you didn't address the primary question of 
polarity.

Or what polarity hotspot CPE devices generally see.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Wyble" char...@thewybles.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WAN HotSpot and Polarity




  I found that with a NanoStation2 I was able to provide coverage to an
entire strip mall. Google earth it:

 229 Main Street
El Segundo, CA 90245

is where I deployed the AP.

It's a fairly standard strip mall. I covered the entire mall, plus
across the street in all 4 directions.



Tom DeReggi wrote:
  
  
Over the years, there have been many theories and strategies regarding 
what
polarity is best to use for various purposes.
As an engineer, I as well have my theories. But, I wanted to get an 
updated
opinion based on field trials of others, for the following 
application

Application... 2.4Ghz WAN WIFI HotSpot
Specs...
1) Average sub located within 100 yards to 1/2 mile.
2) Find and Subscribe by "Search for available Networks", via laptop's 
WIFI
card.
3) If RF signal good enough to get a web splash screen to user, will 
display
instruction for ordering higher gain antenna self-install kit for inside
their window mount or balcony.
4) Access Point would likely use a sector panel (60 deg?), with an EIRP 
of
36db.

The goal here is enabling residential users to find the ISP's AP on
their own.

So my questions are

1. If a Horizontally polarized antenna is used at the AP, Is it likely 
the
consumer will equally be able to find your AP, compared to if it had been
verical pol'd?

The idea being, horizontal pol's noise floor is much lower in the 
particular
area, and more likely ISP will avoid the noise from consumer APs that 
ship
with vert pol antennas, where end users by default will stick the 
antennas
straight up in Verticle pol position.

2. By the time the ISP's horizontal signal gets to the end user, is it
received in multiple polarities, based on all the reflections in end 
users
home and stuff?

3. Are laptop wifi cards typically "no polarity", and pick up Horizontal 
as
good as verticle signals?

4. Laptops would appear to have Horizontal pol antennas in some cases,
expecially if a PCMCIA card. Is this true?  Or are most laptops starting 
to
embed verticle pol antennas on the sides of screens?

5. Are End Users getting savy enough to move their laptop all around, 
when
they first take it out of the box, to try and find Horizontal pol APs of
ISPs Hotspots?

In summary If doing Hotspot WAN deployment, and Verticle noise is
significantly higher, will an ISP be doing a smart thing putting their
sector on Horiz pol to avoid noise, or shooting themself in the foot 
because
they'll be sending a signal cross pol to the average end user's verticle
pol's Wifi card, taking a 20db hit off the bat?

Sure Horizontal will be better, if the the consumer gets a 
professional
install, or learns to put an external horizontal pol antenna on their 
laptop
or PC. But most people may not know to do that, by default, for hotspot 
self
subscription.  (PS. recognize could use dual pol or 45deg off pol, but
purposely avoiding that, to try not to interfere with others, to enable 
more
people to play in the same spectrum)

What have other's found?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" wi...@oregonfast.net
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB333/433 eliminating self-interference test




  Tom DeReggi wrote:
  
  
Good point but. the problem went away when the mcpi cards each had
their own SBC/Case, this would infer card to card or pigtail to pigtail
interference, since in all cases the dummy load was outside the cases,
from what it sounds like.

I guess that should be clarified

Kurt, when you tested with teh RB600 and 3 cards on the adjacent slots,
was the RB600 also in a case with the holes metal taped?


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband




  
  Question I have that should debunk that theory that cards in close
proximity interfere with each other. Why do the cards not interfere 

Re: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters

2009-04-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I'm still up in the air about the bullet. By the time you add antenna
and power supply, the cost goes up. But then again, most of us have
antennas and power supplies to spare.

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote:

  I would avoid Engenius.  Heard a lot of good things abot the Ubnt
stuff, especially the bullet.

On 4/25/09, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
  
  
Engenius and ubiquity

Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
Sent from mobile device

-Original Message-
From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:21 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters

I've got a situation where I need some lower end affordable 2.4 GHz
repeaters, and the itch can't really be scratched with a customer CPE
device (such as a Ruckus or Tranzeo).

Anyone have any 2.4 GHz repeaters that they can recommend?  There won't
be many people connecting in that area, so I'm not really worried about
collision.  Ideally, this might be something I'd put outside.



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Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

2009-04-20 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I do new wire from radio to just inside the house, and splice.

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

  I've used cat5 couplers before and always end of having to go back and run a
new wire so that's what I do from now. Also get to charge the customer more
with the new wire.

Kurt Fankhauser
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www.wavelinc.com
 
 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

splice?  We NEVER splice the cable.  It's always new.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "D. Ryan Spott" rsp...@cspott.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll


  
  
Was it a labrador? I find labs eat cable more than any any other
breed. I allow for one free splice then they pay for my time.

ryan


D. Ryan Spott
rsp...@cspott.com



On Apr 18, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:



  I had a customers dog chew through the cable about 2 months ago.
Replaced
the whole cable at NO CHARGE and thought that was the end of it.
Then just
last week they had problems and I went out and the dog chewed
through the
new wire AGAIN! I was so mad that I was ready to shoot the dog. I
replaced
the entire cable again and charged them $50.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

We don't charge anything to fix problems with the radio, router or
cable. The only time we charge is if the customer requests the antenna
to be moved, or they cause the problem (cut the cable, dog chews it,
etc.).

Travis
Microserv

my_em...@webjogger.net wrote:
  
  
I'm just curious what everybody is charging their residential and
business customers for a truck roll to fix problems with the wisp
subscriber equipment.

We've always tried to get the customer to pay something, especially
when
we have to replace equipment that goes bad. It's often turns into a
whole ordeal where the customer gets mad, threaten to switch
services,
etc. We mainly use Alvarion equipment which is pretty reliable, but
when
they go bad, they're expensive to replace.

Like to hear how others are doing it.

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Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

2009-04-19 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I never used to charge for a lot of that stuff but then one day I said
screw it. $75 for a service call. I had some complaints, started
lowering the price for 5 minute repairs and decided on another change.
I now do $50 service calls. I decided instead of getting complaints
about $75 or lowering the price all the time because it's a quick fix
that I'd be better off and have an easier time charging $50 all the
time than $75 half the time. It has worked out nicely. No complaints
and I don't feel like I'm screwing people (like $75 for a 5 minute
job). Couple things to remember is my coverage area is pretty small.
My office is in the middle so the drive time to any edge is not much
more than 15 minutes. We're also mostly residental, so we don't need
instant response. I can schedule a couple things in one area to make
it efficient.

Brian

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

  Oh my! We could never get away with charging anywhere near that! If we sent
our customers a bill like that they would call up the bigger wisp in this
area that is doing free installs and just switch. Not to mention the DSL
here is $20/month.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

I think sometimes the provider shoots themselves in the foot, because they 
don't charge, when a customer would be perfectly willing to pay.
For example, The second time a dogs eats a wire, as Kurt explained, I don't 
think most home owners would mind paying.
In most cases we do repair/maintenance at NO Charge, for things that are our

responsibilty, that we warrant to cover.
And we'll give customers a break now and then, if they are an easy or long 
term customer of ours.
But there is nothing wrong with charging, when its appropriate. Nothing less

than $90, our 1 hour min..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll


  
  
Win:win:win situation!

Cops around here...I'm going to leave this one be.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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--- Henry Spencer


On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com 
wrote:



  Around here the cops would let you beat them up and still make them pay
financially. *grins*

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

Should have charged them the first time.  If someone threw paint on
your truck would you scrub it off or make them pay (financially pr
physically)?

On 4/18/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
  
  
I had a customers dog chew through the cable about 2 months ago. 
Replaced
the whole cable at NO CHARGE and thought that was the end of it. Then

  
  just
  
  
last week they had problems and I went out and the dog chewed through 
the
new wire AGAIN! I was so mad that I was ready to shoot the dog. I

  
  replaced
  
  
the entire cable again and charged them $50.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

We don't charge anything to fix problems with the radio, router or
cable. The only time we charge is if the customer requests the antenna
to be moved, or they cause the problem (cut the cable, dog chews it,

  
  etc.).
  
  
Travis
Microserv

my_em...@webjogger.net wrote:


  I'm just curious what everybody is charging their residential and
business customers for a truck roll to fix problems with the wisp
subscriber equipment.

We've always tried to get the customer to pay something, especially 
when
we have to replace equipment that goes bad. It's often turns into a
whole ordeal where the customer gets mad, threaten to switch services,
etc. We mainly use Alvarion equipment which is pretty reliable, but 
when
they go bad, they're expensive to replace.

Like to hear how others are doing it.

Thanks,


  
   

[WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-19 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will use.
How can I calculate that?  For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp power 
supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul.
I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an 
estimate on kw/hr first.

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Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-19 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Ya, i have a couple already.

D. Ryan Spott wrote:

  Go get a "kill-a-watt" http://backwoodssolar.com/catalog/meters.htm  
and run it for a few hours. You can show your tower owner what you  
will be using...

This little device is also great for finding power thieves in your home.


ryan


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On Apr 19, 2009, at 1:06 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

  
  
about 15watt total consumption from what you have there. 5w for the  
RB, then 5watt per radio card (actually little less but no more).

/Eje
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I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will  
use.
How can I calculate that?  For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp  
power
supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul.
I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an
estimate on kw/hr first.

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Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-19 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Just found a pretty neat calculator online. They have average prices
for all states.

http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/howmuch.html

Here is my screen shot on the calc I ran. (I based it off an 18 watt
compact bulb.


Brian

e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

  about 15watt total consumption from what you have there. 5w for the RB, then 5watt per radio card (actually little less but no more). 

/Eje
--Original Message--
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Subject: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator
Sent: Apr 19, 2009 14:55

I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will use.
How can I calculate that?  For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp power 
supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul.
I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an 
estimate on kw/hr first.

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Re: [WISPA] Usage caps

2009-04-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I am just getting freeside up and running for billing and have been 
playing with cacti for a couple months now.  Freeside I am pretty sure 
I'll continue to use.  Any ideas on what would work with freeside to 
bill for overage?  First step is I need to track it, but someday I'll 
probably start billing.  Any ideas?

Brian

Al Stewart wrote:
 I realize this is a controversial question, but one we are being 
 forced to consider.

 Do any of you have usage caps on your systems? And charges per gig 
 over that limit?

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Re: [WISPA] Promotion

2009-04-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I'd bet more often that is comes down to who you DON'T want to know.

Brian

Blake Bowers wrote:

  Yours had contact info, coverage maps, area served,
you would be surprised how many don't have those
things.

I suspect they just feel that people should know


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heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "J. Vogel" jvo...@vogent.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion


  
  
LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they
are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from
perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business.

Blake Bowers wrote:


  ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and
you bring mine up... I am so ashamed.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

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To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion



  
  
http://www.frostytowers.com/


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Re: [WISPA] Usage caps

2009-04-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




The link shows what you are doing but not how. How can I do what you
are doing and would it integrate with freeside to bill it without me
having to manually do it every month?

Brian

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

  Yeppers.

http://www.odessaoffice.com/services.html

We generate about a $1k per month because of them.  Plus the business 
customers that we've had to put onto bigger accounts because they always 
went over.

The biggest benefit though?  Running off the hogs!!  We keep the people 
that want to download movies off our system and on everyone elses.  Our 
customers normally get much better service.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Usage caps


  
  
I realize this is a controversial question, but one we are being
forced to consider.

Do any of you have usage caps on your systems? And charges per gig
over that limit?

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Re: [WISPA] Usage caps

2009-04-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Yes, he is the one who is setting up freeside for me. But I still need
a solution to track usage.

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:

  Jeremy Davis?


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Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:22 AM
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Usage caps

  
  
I would suggest finding out what each of your customers do every month - 
if
you have 98 customers that do 2GB/mo and another 2 customers that do
200GB/mo you know who's causing your problems.

I know there is a really well known FreeSide person I spoke with last
December, I'll let you know when I think of him.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Brian Rohrbacher
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  I am just getting freeside up and running for billing and have been
playing with cacti for a couple months now.  Freeside I am pretty sure
I'll continue to use.  Any ideas on what would work with freeside to
bill for overage?  First step is I need to track it, but someday I'll
probably start billing.  Any ideas?

Brian

Al Stewart wrote:
  
  
I realize this is a controversial question, but one we are being
forced to consider.

Do any of you have usage caps on your systems? And charges per gig
over that limit?

Al
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Re: [WISPA] Usage caps

2009-04-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
What if I don't use radius?  Is it then the way to do it?  To implement 
radius?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:
 He should be able to do it, I'd think.

 I'm about to do:

 PPPoE - RADIUS - MySQL - Freeside


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 From: Brian Rohrbacher 
 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:34 AM
 To: WISPA General List 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Usage caps


 Yes, he is the one who is setting up freeside for me.  But I still need a 
 solution to track usage.

 Brian

 Mike Hammett wrote: 
 Jeremy Davis?


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 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:22 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Usage caps

   I would suggest finding out what each of your customers do every month - 
 if
 you have 98 customers that do 2GB/mo and another 2 customers that do
 200GB/mo you know who's causing your problems.

 I know there is a really well known FreeSide person I spoke with last
 December, I'll let you know when I think of him.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Brian Rohrbacher
 br...@reliableinter.netwrote:

 I am just getting freeside up and running for billing and have been
 playing with cacti for a couple months now.  Freeside I am pretty sure
 I'll continue to use.  Any ideas on what would work with freeside to
 bill for overage?  First step is I need to track it, but someday I'll
 probably start billing.  Any ideas?

 Brian

 Al Stewart wrote:
   I realize this is a controversial question, but one we are being
 forced to consider.

 Do any of you have usage caps on your systems? And charges per gig
 over that limit?

 Al
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 stewa...@westcreston.ca
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Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

2009-04-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
We own the gear, so no charge there.  But $50 service call if it's their 
problem.

Brian

Jason Hensley wrote:
 Well, we don't charge a dime if it's problems on our equipment or our setup.
 We charge an install fee and maintain ownership of the equipment.  If it's
 something on their computer, internal router, etc etc (stuff that we don't
 own or control) then it's $70 first hour, $50/hr after that.   

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net
 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:52 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

 I'm just curious what everybody is charging their residential and business
 customers for a truck roll to fix problems with the wisp subscriber
 equipment.

 We've always tried to get the customer to pay something, especially when we
 have to replace equipment that goes bad. It's often turns into a whole
 ordeal where the customer gets mad, threaten to switch services, etc. We
 mainly use Alvarion equipment which is pretty reliable, but when they go
 bad, they're expensive to replace.

 Like to hear how others are doing it.

 Thanks,

   



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Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

2009-04-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Also, a lot of it depends on your competition. If you have no one to
compete against, you can really stick it to the customer, charge for
everything. If there are other wisps, cable, dsl, you might have to
take more of a hit not to lose your subscriber.

Brian

Mark Nash wrote:

  We charge $80/hr, 1/2 hr minimum, including 1-way drive time.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll


  
  
The power supply is going to be a really big argument, I think.

Personally, we take care of that cost (as it is in essence part of the
SU/SM/CPE).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote:



  We saw a high failure rate on Breezecom power supplies as well. Didn't
seem to matter if they were on a UPS or not. I think they just overheat
and bake themselves.




__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

Thanks for the info guys.

We have a lot of cases where the power supply goes bad. Is that
classified as being caused by the customer? Out where are, the power
fluctuates a lot. We encourage people to get a UPS, but not all do.


--
Jon Roux
Webjogger Internet Services
http://www.webjogger.net
845.757.4000



Plexicomm Admin wrote:
  
  
We never charge a fee if the problem is with the SU, cable, or power

  
  supply. *Unless* the customer caused the problem. Then $65-95/hour +
material.
  
  

Dan English
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions
d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103
Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713





  -Original Message-
From: "my_em...@webjogger.net" my_em...@webjogger.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: 04/16/09 15:52
Subject: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

I'm just curious what everybody is charging their residential and
business customers for a truck roll to fix problems with the wisp
subscriber equipment.

We've always tried to get the customer to pay something, especially
  

  
  when
  
  

  we have to replace equipment that goes bad. It's often turns into a
whole ordeal where the customer gets mad, threaten to switch
  

  
  services,
  
  

  etc. We mainly use Alvarion equipment which is pretty reliable, but
  

  
  when
  
  

  they go bad, they're expensive to replace.

Like to hear how others are doing it.

Thanks,

--

Jon Roux
Webjogger Internet Services
http://www.webjogger.net
845.757.4000





  

  
  

  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Tower climbers in north Louisiana

2009-04-13 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Mac Dearman
http://www.inetsouth.com/contact.shtml



Jeremie Chism wrote:
 Does anybody know of a good tower climber willing to do some work in  
 northeast Louisiana. I have three new tower locations that I am ready  
 to deploy and no reliable tower climber. Any suggestions would be  
 appreciated.

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Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP

2009-04-11 Thread Brian Rohrbacher






Scott Carullo wrote:

  Or AP/subscriber ratio is super low where we dont usually have more than a 
dozen or so but this is necessary for selling optimal speed and providing 
quality voip services.
  

20 subs on a tower is a good tower for me. If only cows needed
WiFi
Brian

  
5MB speeds to our customers doesn't impress them, 10-20 does.  Its a tough 
market here with lots of competition.  VoIP gets a bit hairy over about 12 
customers on an ap pulling that kind of bw.  We have lots of APs / Towers 
:)

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of 

  
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Re: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software.

2009-03-21 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Butch Evans and Jeremy Davis are getting me set up with Freeside
(partly because quickbooks did the same thing to me). I am not using
it yet, but I sure do like that for X per hour I can say, "Hey Jeremy,
make freeside do this, and he says ok". 

Brian

Mark Nash wrote:

  Marlon,

I looked at Intrameta and PowerCode and chose PowerCode for bang for buck. 
You really should look at them.  It has its faults, but it's like a drug 
that we can't do without.  It handles alot for us.

Do a demo one day and check it out.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop, Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
http://www.unwiredwest.com
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software.


  
  
http://intrameta.com/  They are a vendor member and good guys.  I've 
talked
to them (David Wilson got us hooked up) quite a bit.  It sounds like they
have a nice system.  But the costs are higher than I can justify at this
point and last I talked to them they didn't have a billing mechanism in
place.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Wu" c...@cticonnect.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software.




  Hi Marlon,

In no particular order, here's a list of some of the more popular 
ISP/WISP
billing packages that we see in the market

Platypus/Tucows
PowerCode
Rodopi
BillMax
Freeside
Emerald / IEA Software

Every package has their strengths and weaknesses -- ultimately, it comes
down to personal preference and business processes to see what's a best
fit

Whatever it is that you end up with...be sure to check out ip pay
(www.ippay.com) for your back-end payments =)

-Charles

P.S. -- in all seriousness -- QuickBooks does a really good job of hosing
merchants (especially ISPs) on their payment processing -- we actually
just helped another ISP/WISP pay for a new billing system with the $400 /
month we were saving when they switched from QuickBooks Merchant Services
to IP Pay

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:52 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: memb...@wispa.org; Odessa Office 509-982-2181
Subject: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software.

Hi All,

I just got a notice that Quickbooks is going to REQUIRE an upgrade in
order
to continue to keep sending out bills via email.  And we have all of 1
month
or so to get it done  I HATE Intuit and would like to replace them.

Here's the work flow in our office.

New customer calls in.
Fill out signup sheet with all needed customer data.
Assign static ip to customer.
Enter customer billing info into Quickbooks.
Enter all customer data into Access.
Enter customer username and pass into RADIUS.
Enter customer email account(s) data into email server.
Enter customer data into Postini (if they purchase the filtering).
Type customer signup sheet info into word doc and store in customer
folder.
Generate installation work order.
Fill out check list showing what steps have been completed.

This has worked nicely in the past and "only" takes about 30 minutes to
accomplish.  But now we're growing too fast and have gotten too big to
maintain this.  Between tech support calls etc. the office manager is
having
to bring in extra help.  It's only a day per week and it's good for there
to
be two people there at least part of the time.  No one should work alone
all
of the time.  Plus, if she wants to take some time off she will have
someone
trained in the basics so we'll likely need to keep some extra help around
no
matter what.  This mechanism also gives us a lot of double checks,
redundant
data points etc.  With Access and Quickbooks we can run a very nice mix 
of
reports etc.

We do NOT have a customer trouble ticket mechanism other than the file on
them.  We don't track customers on a per call basis.  That's not too bad
because we're still small enough that we can normally remember problem
customers.

This would probably be a good time to change everything though.

In my perfect world, I'd have a billing system (that handles all of the
taxes for different communities etc.), trouble ticketing, auto server
configuration AND deconfig.  I'd want good reporting capabilities.

I've looked at some of the commercial systems out there, but at $1 or 
more
per month per sub for a full blown system I'd rather keep putting that
money
into the local labor pool.

Freeside looks pretty good but I don't do programming or server admin 
work
in-house.  I don't mind hiring someone to set it all up etc. and to take
care of the server.  But it has to be an affordable solution too.

What are people using?  Do you like it?

If you had it to do all over again, what would you do?

Vendors please 

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-18 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Wow. I have 200 UBNT radios out there and not a single failure, not
even to lightning. These are 2.4, but still. I sure do like them.

rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

  I put up some Ubiquiti based gear,  one of the radios died about 1hr into 
carrying traffic.

UBNT shipped me new ones to try overnight.

I'll update.




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- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" g...@aeronetpr.com
To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" motor...@wispa.org; "WISPA General List" 
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM
Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


  
  
Fellow operators:

Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP?

Any updates on experiences with:

Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan
???


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-18 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




How much is the tranzeo stuff going for? AP and CPE?

Gino Villarini wrote:

  Ligowave its ptp in 3.65...

Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp 


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the
UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today.

Take care leon

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
  
  
I'm looking into this too.

So far I can't find a solution for rural towers.  A 3 sector install 
at $20k?  Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see 
that tower

Anyone have any better ideas?
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" g...@aeronetpr.com
To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" motor...@wispa.org; "WISPA General

  
  List" 
  
  
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM
Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


  


  Fellow operators:

Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP?

Any updates on experiences with:

Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, 
Airspan ???


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




What is the due date for that form?

Cliff Olle wrote:

  With the information that Brian Webster generated for us, we did the filing
in 5 minutes.  I highly recommend if you are getting close to crunch time
and are looking up tract data to give him a shot on this.  Best $100 I ever
spent.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

oh man, we're STILL working on the 477.  Isn't that an absolute disaster?

We don't ever TRACK most of what they want.

sigh

I'm going to have to figure out how to build a query in our access files 
that will export the data in a file for the fcc.  Let them sort all of the 
crap out.

My poor office manager is about ready to quit over this!

g
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Piehn" li...@jcwifi.com
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


  
  
agreed

When we had specific questions, we called ARIN.  Got someone right away 
that
new what they were talking about

Easier than Form 477 for us

Scott


- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Carullo" sc...@brevardwireless.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN




  You dont need that - just go to their website and you can call too - its
easy.

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
  
  
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:37 PM
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's

  
  and
  
  
will need more pretty soon in one location.

Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

marlon





  

  
  
  
  

  
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourcing Email and Webhosting

2009-03-14 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Are you sure it's free? I just went lookin and it looks like there is
a cost involved..

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote:

  Google is free.

Exchange I know costs a copy of Windows 2003 or 2008 plus Exchange.
I'm told the price isn't too bad, but that's coming from a
Windows-only person.  Also factor in your monthly hosting fee if
that's the route you go.

On 3/14/09, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
  
  
We thought of it ... Costs?  How about exchange?


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-Original Message-
From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:15 AM
To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group
Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Outsourcing Email and Webhosting

If you want to set it and forget it..Google Apps partner edition.

On 3/14/09, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:


  Hey All


We have been thinkig of outsourcing all our webhosting/email services,
  


  including regular pop3 and exchange,

Anyone can recommend a solid service provider?  we have about 50
domains.  Just one using exchange, butt would like to start offering
exchange hosting


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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

2009-03-10 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




huh, must be you can't just type OFFLIST. :)

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little
help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I
feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info
if you could show me.
  
Brian
  
Jerry Richardson wrote:
  
I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
 
__ 

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi
 
Jerry Richardson
VP Operations
925-260-4119
_
 
ConsuWISP
RF Topographical Coverage Maps
Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Installer and Technician Training
 
Please consider the environment before printing this email


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  

  Uhm...ya...

Try this...

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:


  
Hi All,

I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
  
  

to
  

  
get
started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
willing
to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

thanks,
marlon





  
  



  

  
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

2009-03-10 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd
probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or
something..

Brian

Bob Moldashel wrote:

  Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when 
that happens

:-)

-B-


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
  
Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little 
help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I 
feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some 
info if you could show me.

Brian

Jerry Richardson wrote:


  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
 
__ 

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi
 
Jerry Richardson
VP Operations
925-260-4119
_
 
ConsuWISP
RF Topographical Coverage Maps
Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Installer and Technician Training
 
Please consider the environment before printing this email


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
  
Uhm...ya...

Try this...

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:




  Hi All,

I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
  
  

  
  to
  
  
  

  get
started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
willing
to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

thanks,
marlon





  
  

  
  

  
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] schools

2009-03-10 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I'm no mod, but lets use caution when posting to this thread. I smell
politics.

Brad Belton wrote:

  Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would be equal
to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or
$80k check?  

Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to
"stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so far...

Brad




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing 
right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they 
are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors 
next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. 
That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.

So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we are 
STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of 
business. :(

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote:
  
  
Where is this headed?
http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
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Re: [WISPA] schools

2009-03-10 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Find all the details in this article.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstorysid=aGq2B3XeGKok

U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on
Bailout Programs (Update1)  
By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry
 Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress
is completing would raise the governments commitment to solving
the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more
than 90 percent of the nations home mortgages.

Brian



Chuck Bartosch wrote:

  LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not  
even in the ballpark!

Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,  
what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?

;-)

Chuck

On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

  
  
Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would  
be equal
to or less than the government writing every household in America a  
$70k or
$80k check?

Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds  
to
"stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so  
far...

Brad




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public  
Hearing
right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.

So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we  
are
STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
business. :(

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote:


  Where is this headed?
http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I
need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and
need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on
the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the
data sheet. Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:

  Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

  
  
Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile




  For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
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airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what

  
  it
  
  
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

  
  On
  
  
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile




  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
  

  
  do
  
  

  that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

__

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

Jerry Richardson
VP Operations
925-260-4119
_

ConsuWISP
RF Topographical Coverage Maps
Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Installer and Technician Training

Please consider the environment before printing this email


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  

On


  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




It's on the data sheet, but not real easy to read. I only wanted to
"guess" so much at all the numbers. I thought there might be a better
pattern of info on the fcc site.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:

  Doesn't Ubuiquiti post the pattern on their site?  Most of the antenna 
companies do.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
  
So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I 
need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and 
need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on 
the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from 
the data sheet.  Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:


  Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

  
  
  
Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





  For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
  
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what


  
  it
  
  
  
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


  
  On
  
  
  
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
  
  

  
  do
  
  
  

  that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

__

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

Jerry Richardson
VP Operations
925-260-4119
_

ConsuWISP
RF Topographical Coverage Maps
Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Ins

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I went to the FCC website and typed swx-ps2 into the search box and got 
no results.  Must be it's not that easy.  Can I get a little more 
direction on how to find something there?  Explain it in simple terms 
(pretend you are describing it to someone like Marlon) *ducking*.

Brian

e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 That is just pointers to regulation text. You need to look in the mfg's 
 datasheet for antenna patterns. If that is not available from the 
 manufacturer sometime you can find that in the FCC approval application 
 filing documents available on the FCC id search database. 

 Ubiquiti's FCC id is swx. Complete FCC id for say their XR2 card is SWX-XR2. 
 The Powerstation2 is SWX-PS2 (same for NS2 and Loco2 actually since its a 
 lower gain antenna there for approved for use by manufacturer choice as 
 discussed on the list recently). 

 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net

 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:55:45 
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile




 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.

Eric Muehleisen wrote:

  FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the 
antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX 
will give you accurate numbers.

-Eric

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
  
So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I 
need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and 
need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on 
the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from 
the data sheet.  Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:


  Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

  
  
  
Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





  For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
  
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what


  
  it
  
  
  
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


  
  On
  
  
  
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
  
  

  
  do
  
  
  

  that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

__

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Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

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VP Operations
925-260-4119
_

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Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Installer and Technician Training

Pl

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




This is how we do it too. If you want a face plate, you are going to
pay for it.
We get maybe 1 out of 100 who want a face plate.

Brian

Joe Miller wrote:

  Marlon,

You are joking..right?


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

  
  
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try to get the hole
right at the top 
of the baseboards.  Then, someday when all this is gone and
some new 
technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it
they'll just have 
to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Reed"
scottr...@onlyinternet.net
To: "WISPA General List"
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
yourself, they are 
for the young




  Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4"
  

hole in it.  No need to 


  drill.



George Rogato wrote:
  
  
I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall

  

plate. All of the sudden,


  
it shattered into about 10 pieces.

That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type

  

wall plate.


  
Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the

  

lexan flexible ones.


  
Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when

  

you drill a hole in


  
it, it doesn't crack or shatter.
They come in white ivory etc and like I said,

  

everyone makes them ,


  
Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc.

They cost no more.






  




  
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Amen. I run the nf bulkhaed, and it goes right into the enclosure. I
can change out bad piggies or go from u.fl to mmcx or add a filter or
whatever I want. No weather proofing needed. I like it a lot.

Brian

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

  I've moved to larger enclosures with good, stainless steel bulkhead 
connectors and n-m piggys.  Hopefully, from now on I can just change the 
electronics and not have to even touch the coax.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors 
WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


  
  
I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the
connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape
seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just 
POE
everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with 
radios
build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio.
The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still
need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if
they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user 
side?

-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:



  Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message -
From: "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


  
  
Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the 
pigeons
would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
connection. That took care of that!
-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:



  The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from 
GB.
  

  
  I
  
  

  can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
problem.

How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular 
site
  

  
  is
  
  

  at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow  ice on it for a few 
2-week
periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the 
worst
  

  
  for
  
  

  coax failures.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers


  
  
I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades

  

  
  ones
  
  

  from
  
  
Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had 
any
problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much 
coax

  

  
  seal
  
  

  
around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable 
material)?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, 
poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net

  

  
  wrote:
  
  

  

  We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
  

  

  
  prior
  
  

  to
  
  

  that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 
jumpers
  

  
  from
  
  

  Hyperlink.

Anyone else have a problem?

Any recommendations on best source for them?

We normally only use them on backhauls  APs, so when they go bad
  

  

  
  it's
  
  

  a
  
  

  big frustrating problem.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com



  



  



  

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

2009-03-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Don't forget the expansion joints. I have seen that stuff lookin
pretty much like a snake on a good warm day.

Brian

RickG wrote:

  I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our
equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote:

  
  
Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit,
the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather.
I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3
years now.


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:



  From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they
  

are for the young


  To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
I have had a few customers look at us crosswise.  A couple
have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
jacks.  We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
the parts with me.

I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
in.  I don't want the extra connection in a poe
situation.  It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
know that connections are almost always the reason for a
failure so I want the fewest possible.

We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.

Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
cable.  People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
of cables with water in them.  Luckily it seems to almost
exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
sites.  It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!

Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
use instead of this black stuff we're using now.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"
joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
To: "Marlon K. Schafer"
o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
yourself,they are for the young


  
  
I just had to ask..very interesting.


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer

  
  o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
  
  

  From: Marlon K. Schafer
  

  
  o...@odessaoffice.com
  
  

  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
  

  
  installs yourself,they are for the young
  
  

  To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
  

  
  List" wireless@wispa.org
  
  

  Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or
  

  
  something
  
  

  when ever
possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a
  

  
  big,
  
  

  ugly wall plate.

marlon

- Original Message - From: "Joe
  

  
  Miller" joemiller...@yahoo.com
  
  

  To: "WISPA General List"
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
  

  
  installs
  
  

  yourself,they are
for the young


  
  
Marlon,

You are joking..right?


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer

  
  o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
  
  

  From: Marlon K. Schafer
  

  
  o...@odessaoffice.com
  
  

  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
  

  

  
  doing
  
  

  installs yourself, they
  
  

  are for the young
To: "WISPA General List"
  

  
  wireless@wispa.org
  
  

  Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try
  

  

  
  to get
  
  

  the hole
  
  

  right at the top
of the baseboards.  Then, someday when
  

  

  
  all this is
  
  

  gone and
  
  

  some new
technology (TV band with no external
  

  

  
  antenna?)
  
  

  replaces it
  
  

  they'll just have
to plug one small hole and give it a dab
  
  

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

2009-03-05 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




First coat. Electrical tape (sticky side out) easiest to remove
2nd
http://www.shop3m.com/80050049008.html?WT.mc_ev=clickthroughWT.mc_id=shop3m-AtoZ-Scotch-Vinyl-Mastic
3m mastic. It's nice and nasty but it's all I've used for 5 yrs. Only
a couple leaks. (probably user error)
3rd. Another layer of electric tape.

Brian

os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

  A good final coating over the tape (be it pure rubber or vinyl) is  
3M's Scotchkote http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OES1_nid=6Q3BGBPJ7CbeFR7R0D83TCgl

We used that on seagoing ships for outdoor connections that see salt  
water, rain, high winds, freezing rain, etc.

Greg


On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:27 PM, RickG wrote:

  
  
I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects  
the
connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition,  
the tape
seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and  
just POE
everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas  
with radios
build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad  
radio.
The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you  
still
need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users  
bandwidth if
they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the  
user side?

-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:



  Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message -
From: "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


  
  
Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the  
pigeons
would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
connection. That took care of that!
-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net  
wrote:



  The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape  
from GB.
  

  
  I
  
  

  can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
problem.

How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one  
particular site
  

  
  is
  
  

  at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow  ice on it for a few 2- 
week
periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the  
worst
  

  
  for
  
  

  coax failures.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers


  
  
I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades

  

  
  ones
  
  

  from
  
  
Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had  
any
problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much  
coax

  

  
  seal
  
  

  
around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable  
material)?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,  
poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net

  

  
  wrote:
  
  

  

  We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
  

  

  
  prior
  
  

  to
  
  

  that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195  
jumpers
  

  
  from
  
  

  Hyperlink.

Anyone else have a problem?

Any recommendations on best source for them?

We normally only use them on backhauls  APs, so when they go bad
  

  

  
  it's
  
  

  a
  
  

  big frustrating problem.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com




Re: [WISPA] The good college try

2009-03-05 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I wear that hat. "Jack of all trades, master of none"

Today, I drove by rental house down the road and saw dish tv being
installed. I turned around to go tell the new renter I had wireless
internet in the area. (I always find sat tv subs are likely to want
internet) So, I go tell him and he says how fast is your service? I
say, 3-4 meg down and 1-2 meg up. He says megabytes or megabits? I
stuttered for a bit and said, ya know, like a t1 is 1.5 meg, my service
is twice as fast. Tell you what, I felt like a moron. After five
years of "doing it all" it sure seems like I would know a bit from a
byte. Oh well, at least I got the subscriber. 
So, like I said. Jack of all trades, master of none.

Brian

RickG wrote:

  I can identify with both of you. I do it all but it becomes overwhelming at
times!
-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

  
  
Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help,
feel free to holler.

I love the technical stuff.   Don't much care for the paperwork or installs
in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the
truck...





insert witty tagline here

- Original Message -
From: "Forbes Mercy" forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM
Subject: [WISPA] The good college try




  The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost
my system admin in the last budget cut.  He helps from his new job but
the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most
technically inclined as I should be.  Obviously I have more knowledge
than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can
sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time
admin to hire people who can guide me.  My feeling is Marlon is pretty
much in the same boat.  While some in WISPA have thousands of customers
in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural.  Speaking only for
myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this
group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I
have interest in a topic.  We try not to look dumb when we ask for help
and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects,
paying for consulting or just a big thanks.  Some on here may think
non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I
personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe
I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done
it over 200 times.  Just show a little patience and if you don't want to
educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when
you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or
act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button.  Thanks
for what you do help, I appreciate it!



Forbes





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul



Marlon,

Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in
over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from
someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are
doing.

Travis
Microserv

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Thanks.

Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network
is
build in a circle?
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul




Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop.
Figure
$15,000 per link for everything.

Travis
Microserv

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:


Hi All,

I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to
20 miles.  Some
links may be less, but I'm not counting on that.

I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal
internet traffic.

I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a
ring.  I can load
share
across the ring as long as speeds never drop below
100megs.  I'll want
things to be automatically self healing if there is a
loss of
connectivity
in any direction.

What would you guys use/suggest?

I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna
sizes) but
unlicensed
may be OK due to the failover capabilities.

We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust
storms.

What gear would you use?  How would you set this up?

I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are
welcome.  Pall park
numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to
run high vs. low,
I'd
rather over estimate the costs.

thanks,
marlon







[WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-03 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Anyone using 3.65 for ptp?   What is available?  Can ubiquiti's cards be 
used in mikrotik?

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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




The google map that Brian Webster made had channels 20 - 52 on it.
So, is 1-8 whitespaces? And how do I find out if I can use it in my
area. I'd love to get my hands on one of those cards and start
testing, it I would be able to use it in my area.

Brian Rohrbacher

Mike Hammett wrote:

  http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf

I'm not sure what exactly this card's target is.

It would cover channels 8 - 13, but then also a bunch of 2-way and other 
services.

There must be an international band that covers 180 - 280.


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Subject: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

  
  
http://www.ubnt.com/products/xr1.php

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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Anyone have any leads on antennas for whitespaces?

Brian

Randy Cosby wrote:
 http://www.ubnt.com/products/xr1.php

   



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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




So, is it a card that operates in some of the white spaces frequency
then? 

Jack Unger wrote:

  
Sorry, it's not a "White Spaces" card. I expect White Spaces equipment
to be ready in possibly 18 to 24 months. 
  
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  

The google map that Brian Webster made had channels 20 - 52 on it.
So, is 1-8 whitespaces? And how do I find out if I can use it in my
area. I'd love to get my hands on one of those cards and start
testing, it I would be able to use it in my area.
    
Brian Rohrbacher

Mike Hammett wrote:

  http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf

I'm not sure what exactly this card's target is.

It would cover channels 8 - 13, but then also a bunch of 2-way and other 
services.

There must be an international band that covers 180 - 280.


-
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http://www.ics-il.com



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http://www.ubnt.com/products/xr1.php

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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I like to plan ahead. But hopefully my competition waits 18 months to
look into white spaces. :) I would like that.

Jack Unger wrote:

  
Please ask again in 6 - 18 months. White Space is not available for use
yet. 
  
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
Anyone have any leads on antennas for whitespaces?

Brian

Randy Cosby wrote:
  

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Re: [WISPA] enclosure

2009-02-24 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I have 20 plus of ODE-KAM-IES-11.5x11.5x3-KIT in the air and they have
made it through the winter really good here. No problems with any of
them. Hinged, no screws. I love them. And I have my pick from the
arc antennas to bolt on.
http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl;jsessionid=0a010c491f43367312351219404088f39f577c2e1405.e3eSc3aPaxmLe34Pa38Ta38Naxb0?it=Aid=1907

Brian

Blair Davis wrote:

  
Thanks to all that replied to this. Brad with Defacto got back with me
so I was able to order from them.
  
Seems that there may be some problem with their toll free number when
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-18 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




You must not pay federal taxes them.

rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

  No, it's NOT "my money".





insert witty tagline here

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Rohrbacher" br...@reliableinter.net
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


  
  
But it's your money?  You pay taxes right?  How can you feel wrong about 
getting back what they took from you?

Brian

rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
Not me.  If it's wrong, it's wrong.   I'm not going to say "it should not 
be
done" and then go after the money for myself.   I'd have to hide my face
forever.Money comes and goes.   Conscience is forever.



insert witty tagline here

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To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we
do?

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on preventing network flooding

2009-02-18 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Am I the only one tired of hearing you talk about your classes?
I bet if I posted that I had a problem with my truck you would respond.
"Switch to mikrotik" "Go to my class" Smiley!!! Smiley!!!

Pay for the ads or at least keep them in your signature.

PS In case someone didn't know. Dennis teaches mikrotik training.
Here is his site. 
www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp
PSS In case someone didn't know. Dennis teaches mikrotik training.
Here is his site. 
www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp
PSSS In case someone didn't know. Dennis teaches mikrotik training.
Here is his site. 
www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp


Hopefully that is enough free ads that you can relax for a while now.

Brian



Dennis Burgess wrote:

  As I say in my Traffic Management and Firewalling Mikrotik Courses,  "If 
you can't identify the traffic, you can't control it, block it, limit 
it, or otherwise do ANYTHING with it! "

Traffic Identification is first! :)

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Patrick Shoemaker wrote:
  
  
You really need to find out exactly WHAT the problematic traffic is 
before you worry about how to best block it. Hook up a machine with 
Wireshark to a tap or a mirrored switch port that is seeing the 
offending traffic. If you can't immediately identify the problem traffic 
by looking at the packets live from the wire, you can have Wireshark 
sort the flows by all kinds of different factors.

Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


Patrick Nix Jr. wrote:
  


  Right, I'm routing already to my customers. I just can't seem to
identify where the flood of traffic is coming from.  My guess is that
someone is using some sort of p2p and opening gazillions of connections
for either upload or download traffic or someone has a virus that is
flooding the network with a bunch of small packets.  I've tried to setup
some iptables rules in our imagestream to prevent both of these but I am
a newbie with iptables and I either end up killing all internet traffic
to everyone or it has no effect at all.  Does anyone care to share some
suggestions for iptables rules using Powercode with an imagestream
router.

Thanks a million.

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Routing man.

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Everyday we seem to 

Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet

2009-02-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Right. You don't was to be the cause of a "runner" the next time they
vacuum. 

Brian

John Scrivner wrote:

  Carpet has a grain. You cut a slit a few inches long along the grain. You
can pull the carpet up over the bit, run the bit slowly and prevent creating
runs in the carpet.
Scriv


On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM, John J. Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:

  
  
Is there any reason you don't just cut an X in the carpter and then trim
it?

John



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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet

You need to use a sharp razor knife to cut a slit about 3 inches long
  

along


  the grain of the carpet. Then hold the carpet to the side as you drill.
Scriv


On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

  
  
How do you guys drill holes through berber carpet withour pulling the
threads?
I have the "cutting tool" but thread still grab onto the drill bit.
I've thought about finding a metal tube to put the drill into so it
doesnt catch the carpet.
Thoughts?
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Re: [WISPA] Insurance

2009-02-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Good, my liability (with rider for some gear) just went from $2200 a
year to $3100 a year. I need to do some shopping.

Brian

Rick Harnish wrote:

  We (WISPA) have been contacted by an insurance company that has spent the
past six months putting together a package specifically for WISPs.  Butch
Evans is in the process of making contact with this company now to work out
details on how we can help WISPs obtain good coverage at the minimal cost.
More as soon as we get additional details.

Rick Harnish

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

We have been using Hartford for three years now and they are very good.
 Although we have never had a claim.
Victoria

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:

  
  
I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that
pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them.  I used
Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are
usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more
questions.

Forbes

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Behalf Of jp
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and
places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into
Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella.

On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:


My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of
  

Satan


  -hehehehe)

When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can
  

afford. It


  has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance
  

and it


  has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types
  

of


  insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to
  

file a


  claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need
insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that
  

(with


  hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it
  

will


  appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when
someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends
  

abruptly


  :-)

 We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions

Mac




  
  
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On


  
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Insurance

What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't

  

buy


  
unnecessary policies.


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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




But it's your money? You pay taxes right? How can you feel wrong
about getting back what they took from you?

Brian

rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

  Not me.  If it's wrong, it's wrong.   I'm not going to say "it should not be 
done" and then go after the money for myself.   I'd have to hide my face 
forever.Money comes and goes.   Conscience is forever.



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From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


  
  
Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we
do?

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Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




inline

Mike Hammett wrote:

  I'm not saying anything about you personally, John.

However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs 
seriously.  Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least know 
what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on the whole 
Internet.  There were a few responses to this statement indicating that 
people don't know how this system works or how to get current information on 
the issue (NANOG, etc.).

There were only a few responses, but I bet you there are dozens or hundreds 
of lurkers that don't know either.

You can't run your operation effectively if you don't (or have people to) 
know everything from RF propagation, local demographics, routing, government 
policy, etc.
  

While I'm in a better position now, I started with 1 credit card and
one idea. I knew nothing but wore all the hats. 
It's just not possible to do everything. Not the way many wisps were
started. 

Do I miss the days of choosing between buying groceries and paying for
my bandwidth? 
No. But I run an effective operation and don't know everything.

Brian

  
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Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet

2009-02-15 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Cut the slit. Then use a paddle bit. A paddle bit, has a smooth shank
unlike a spiral drill bit and is a little less likely to catch.

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

  Drill very slowly at first.

Sharp drill bits.

Drill a little, stop, reverse the bit, or pull it out and make sure that 
nothing is caught on it etc.

Worse case, we cut a small slit in the carpet and go down through that.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:09 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Berber carpet


  
  
How do you guys drill holes through berber carpet withour pulling the 
threads?
I have the "cutting tool" but thread still grab onto the drill bit.
I've thought about finding a metal tube to put the drill into so it
doesnt catch the carpet.
Thoughts?
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Re: [WISPA] Announcements List

2009-02-09 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I got an email at 5:22 that said I was UNsubscribed from the 
announcements list..

Rick Harnish wrote:
 We are reviving the announceme...@wispa.org mailing list.  This list has
 been around for a long time but was never really used.  This list will be
 set up like the advertiseme...@wispa.org list, in that all unique email
 addresses on WISPA mailing lists will be subscribed to the list.  The list
 will be moderated so that only board members can allow posts to go through.


  

 The purposes of this list will be:

 1.   New Member Introductions

 2.   WISPA Press Releases

 3.   Member News (Press Releases from Members)

 4.   Possibly For Sale Ads (thinking one day a week, like the Motorola
 List does) 

 5.   Any Board Member posts that need to go out to all list members, so
 that we aren't sending duplicates to those who belong to multiple lists.

 6.   Fundraising Posts

 7.   ..

 8.   ..

  

 This list should be operational on Tuesday if all goes well.  If you
 received an unsubscribe notice this afternoon, just ignore it.  We had to
 remove all current addresses before we repopulated the list.  My intent is
 to stop so many duplicate posts for those of you that belong to more than
 one list.  If you get more than one email at a time from this list, you may
 have several different email addresses subscribed to the various listservs
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Re: [WISPA] Announcements List

2009-02-09 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




oops, I see why now


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  I got an email at 5:22 that said I was UNsubscribed from the 
announcements list..

Rick Harnish wrote:
  
  
We are reviving the announceme...@wispa.org mailing list.  This list has
been around for a long time but was never really used.  This list will be
set up like the advertiseme...@wispa.org list, in that all unique email
addresses on WISPA mailing lists will be subscribed to the list.  The list
will be moderated so that only board members can allow posts to go through.


 

The purposes of this list will be:

1.   New Member Introductions

2.   WISPA Press Releases

3.   Member News (Press Releases from Members)

4.   Possibly "For Sale Ads" (thinking one day a week, like the Motorola
List does) 

5.   Any Board Member posts that need to go out to all list members, so
that we aren't sending duplicates to those who belong to multiple lists.

6.   Fundraising Posts

7.   ..

8.   ..

 

This list should be operational on Tuesday if all goes well.  If you
received an unsubscribe notice this afternoon, just ignore it.  We had to
remove all current addresses before we repopulated the list.  My intent is
to stop so many duplicate posts for those of you that belong to more than
one list.  If you get more than one email at a time from this list, you may
have several different email addresses subscribed to the various listservs
we operate.

 

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook

2009-02-07 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I run two Lenovo's on vista and an eee with linux.

David Hulsebus wrote:

  Possibly to show the longevity and durability of IBM products in general ?

char...@thewybles.com wrote:
  
  
How is any of this thread on topic?


Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net

Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:36:01 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook


The junior was a product built for schools mostly. It had an expandable 
side bus that added card after card. Up to 15 if I recall correctly.

Looked like this:

http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/ibm-pcjr/page_01.htm

David Hulsebus



CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
  


  Rick,  I think I still have some unprotected 8" floppies around here
somewhere I forgot they were a 5150, we have been referring to it as a
PC Junior, 64 k of ram with a blazing 8088 at about 5MHz.   Am I old or just
too experienced? :^)

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cprof...@cv-access.com 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook

Ya, never know who is on this list!
I'd still have my 1982 IBM PC-1 that I trained on back in my IBM days.
It looked just like this -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC
-RickG

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 6:47 PM, David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net
wrote:
  

  
  
I'm sure I still bleed a little blue, but I've used a Thinkpad - now
Lenovo since 1993. I'd still have the 486 based 700 series, but IBM
wanted it back when I left. I've had five laptops and haven't bought a
new one because of breakage yet - replaced only for performance issues.
We still have an old PIII in use as a terminal on one of our racks. They
get carried onto roofs, up water tanks, have been dropped from short
distance and have never failed to perform when picked back up. I'll echo
John, I could have paid more but a year old processor does what I need.
And yes, I also have one of the A31 series that runs Ubuntu. Works very
well as a workstation around the office.  I absolutely love the
trackpoint. I have issues with the trackpad and sweat on my fingers in
the summer, it makes moving the pointer a problem for me. I bought two
T42 series last month coming off lease for $250 each for installation

  

  
  work.
  

  
  
David Hulsebus
Portative Technologies
www.portative.com

Josh Luthman wrote:

  


  I have seen several HP laptops - nothing really good or bad about them,
they're just out there.

I am a die hard fan of Thinkpad,  Thinkpads for me.  Thinkpad moved their
manufacturing half to Lenovo.

I just bought our new employee a $500 Lenovo from Systemax/Infotel and
  

  

  
  I'm
  

  
  

  quite impressed.  There are touch sensitive buttons for media, the screen
has NO latch to break (it's magnetic or part of the hinge).  The keyboard
isn't quite Thinkpad goodness but is still better then most.  The screen
  

  

  
  is
  

  
  

  awfully reflective.  Battery LEDs on the chassis itself is also a bonus.
Great specs for an installer.  Also I should note Butch Evans has used a
Lenovo for years - he has proven his laptop works quite well as a Linux
workstation.  I only wish I could make that leap.

For $500 I couldn't be happier - I need to get one myself (ethernet port
fried) but I need it dock capable.  Not sure if Lenovo offers that.

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Anyone using one of these? Would love to hear pros and cons

Tnx

Bob

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Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half amillionsquaremiles covered!

2009-02-05 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




anyone have stats on what the cableco and telco cover with high speed
access?

Brian

Jason wrote:

  
  
For what it's worth (and maybe someone's already said this, but), the
US is 3,794,066 sq miles in size (wikipedia) which means the current
coverage is 19.767%! That's significant.
  
Jason
  
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
Yes.   I can see it now.

"Hi mr congressman, we're WISPA, we represent coverage for xxx,xxx,xxx 
of your voters"..Maybe they would listen

Brian
Brian Webster wrote:
  

  That is coming. See my message about help needed downloading data. The daily
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And/or how many doorsteps actually have coverage.

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[WISPA] Mapping Effort. If you can't donate $$, donate time

2009-02-05 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I just spent three hrs mapping all of Michigan. 
I went to wispdirectory.com and visited the website of all 37 Michigan 
wisps.   At each website I looked for a list of cities covered or a 
coverage map.  I then put that info in google earth.  If they had a 
coverage map with blobs, I would use lakes, rivers, and roads to draw 
the blob in google earth the best I could.  If they had cities, I typed 
the city in google earth, and it flies to it.  After it is done flying, 
I clicked the push pin button and then ok.  It's quick and easy.  I 
sent the earth file to Brian and he ran it through his process which 
draws the circle around every city.

The info I just submitted accounted for 29,859 square miles.

I urge others to step up and take a couple hrs to map their state.  I 
plan on knocking off a few more when I can.  Please post if you have 
done or are going to do one.


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[WISPA] Hose Clamps

2009-02-04 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Looking for a good source, good deal for a qty of hose clamps.  I would 
like to find em at $0.50 each if I could.  Probably 2 inch or so.  I 
just need a good size for nano stations.

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Re: [WISPA] Hose Clamps

2009-02-04 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




The zip ties that come with them are ok in the summer, but in the
winter, they break into pieces every time we try to use them.

Brian

Randy Cosby wrote:

  What - you're too good for zip ties? :)

These are handy, haven't tried them on the nanos though:

http://www.cabletiesandmore.com/american/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_126products_id=649



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
  
Looking for a good source, good deal for a qty of hose clamps.  I would 
like to find em at $0.50 each if I could.  Probably 2 inch or so.  I 
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Re: [WISPA] Hose Clamps

2009-02-04 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I tend to agree. Even one failure (radio and service calls) pays for a
lot of hose clamps. I tend to error on the side of caution when I can.

Brian

Scottie Arnett wrote:

  I lost 3 900Mhz Moto SM's due to plastic zip ties breaking, module hanging upside down, and filling up with water. Take my word for it, use hose clamps or metal zip ties. Your back pocket will fill much heavier.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
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Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:52:45 -0500

  
  
Zip ties are cheaper.

Putting them on is easy.

Taking them off you cut them and use another.

I don't want to hear any hippies complaining about the environment
until it pays my bills!

On 2/4/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:


  The zip ties that come with them are ok in the summer, but in the winter,
they break into pieces every time we try to use them.

Brian

Randy Cosby wrote:
  
  
What - you're too good for zip ties? :)

These are handy, haven't tried them on the nanos though:

http://www.cabletiesandmore.com/american/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_126products_id=649



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like to find em at $0.50 each if I could.  Probably 2 inch or so.  I
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Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half amillionsquaremiles covered!

2009-02-04 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Yes.   I can see it now.

Hi mr congressman, we're WISPA, we represent coverage for xxx,xxx,xxx 
of your voters..Maybe they would listen

Brian
Brian Webster wrote:
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 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of chris cooper
 Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:35 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half
 amillionsquaremiles covered!



 And/or how many doorsteps actually have coverage.

 Chris

 And I REALLY want to know how many homes are passed by those circles!
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-02 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Couple yrs ago I bought a 1988 Jeep Comanche for $100 bucks, and then
traded a customer a couple hrs labor for a utility topper with ladder
racks. Drove it for about a yr and only had to work on it for one
thing (fuel pump went out 2 times because of grounding issue). Worked
great until the employee blew a stop sign and t boned an suv. It went
end for end and rolled. Everyone recovered.

Right now I have a 1996 2wd Chevy work truck V6. Steel rims, bumper,
no air, vinyl floor, ect. Paid $3000 for the truck (100k miles) and
$400 for the utility topper (guy said he bought the topper for $2400 2
yrs ago) We got strap on chains for the Michigan weather and can get
out of anything you should have been in in the first place. In 2 yrs I
have changed the oil, done a tune up, replaced alternator ($100), and
blower fan ($75).

Lately I have seen 2005 plain jane work trucks for 5k. 90-100k miles.
There are tons of companies who dump their fleet trucks (with utility
topper and ladder rack) at 100 k mile. Just go get one cheap.

I got my last one from 1800lastbid.com
here is one for sale this week. there are always trucks on there...
http://www.biddingatauction.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=818081117

2005 4x4 7k (completed auction jan 15)
http://www.biddingatauction.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=818074991


2006 4x2 6k (completed auction jan 15)
http://www.biddingatauction.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=818075820

Brian



D. Ryan Spott wrote:

  4 door Toyota Tacoma 4WD, 6ft bed: City 16/Hwy 20 Hugely expensive @ 28K 
new. When you go to buy one, tell them you will wait the 6 weeks it 
takes for one with nothing on it (service truck). My dealer rolled over 
and sold me a truck with everything on it for the gadget-less price.

I added a ladder rack: 
http://www.kwikstand.info/US%20Rack/Side%20Mount%20Ladder%20Rack/ladder2a.jpg 
I like this one because I can make it disappear when needed.

I also have a RAM mount: 
http://www.ram-mount.com/nodrillsystems/nodrillbases.htm for my laptop 
so it does not slide through my windshield.

This setup seems to work pretty well for me. Low maintenance, US Built, 
good mileage, warm storage/people space in the back seat.

ryan

Josh Luthman wrote:
  
  
What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
to put al our stuff in.

Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
wouldn't be asking :(

  

  
  


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Re: [WISPA] OMG...

2009-01-30 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Here's the deal. You can't stop the spending. You can't. All we can
do is take the spending in a direction that helps the most people and
is less wasteful. There are two options. Wasteful spending with
benefits and wasteful spending with no benefits. Getting rid of
wasteful spending is not an option.

Brian

rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

  How could it be off-topic?   This list is soliciting money to lobby for pork 
barrell spending.





insert witty tagline here

- Original Message - 
From: "David E. Smith" d...@mvn.net
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG...


  
  
rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:


  Some of the financial and economic advisors I read from time to time are 
in
deadly serious mode and I believe them.   They're saying that unless all
this debt and spending is stopped and stopped NOW, we're going to face a
currency collapse as our currency depreciates to worthlessness.
  

And there are other financial and economic advisors who believe the
opposite - that some short-term deficit spending will help bail the
economy out. I don't have a doctorate in macroeconomics, and I'm
assuming you don't either, so our opinions are both worth approximately
nothing. In any event, it's probably off-topic for this list.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website

2009-01-29 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
If so, I can provide a link to my competitions website, they have a map 
drawn...
Would that help?  It's pretty big.

Brian

Rick Harnish wrote:
 Travis,

  

 I'm pretty sure that Brian told me during Animal Farm that he would accept a
 shape that defines your coverage area.  He can address this himself.

  

 Rick

  

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:41 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website

  

 Rick,

 Is there some way to make this easier? We cover a ton of zip codes (towns as
 small as 50 people). It would be easier to just draw on a map... or even if
 we could provide GPS coordinates (like the four corners of a square)?

 Travis
 Microserv

 Rick Harnish wrote: 

 I believe as Brian gets the new data from Matt and has time, he updates it.
 How long that takes, I do not know.
  
 Rick
  
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:38 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website
  
 How often is that map updated?
  
  
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
  
  
  
 --
 From: Rick Harnish  mailto:rharn...@onlyinternet.net
 rharn...@onlyinternet.net
 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:01 PM
 To: 'Motorola Canopy User Group'  mailto:motor...@wispa.org
 motor...@wispa.org; 
  mailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website
  
   

 Sorry Guys, I forgot to post the website.
 http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm
  
  
  
 From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Rick Harnish
 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:47 PM
 To: 'Motorola Canopy User Group'; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations So Far
  
  
  
 Here is what has been documented so far.  If Matt doesn't have zip codes 
 of
 the coverage areas, there is a 10 mile circle drawn around the office
 address I believe.  That is why it is important that everyone registers
 there zip codes.  I would like to see that map turn YELLOW over the next 
 few
 weeks.
  
  
  
 From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Ben Wiechman
 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:29 PM
 To: 'Motorola Canopy User Group'
 Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations So Far
  
  
  
 Is there a working copy of Brian's map available for us to verify coverage
 that we have entered into the directory and ensure accuracy?
  
 Ben Wiechman
  
 From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Rick Harnish
 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:20 PM
 To: memb...@wispa.org; 'Motorola Canopy User Group'
 Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations So Far
  
  
  
 Jason,
  
  
  
 First Question:  This lobbying effort is to guide the policy and rules 
 that
 are written once the Broadband Stimulus Act is passed through Congress,
 which the Obama Administration wants done by Feb. 16th.  I don't know
 anything about a bailout plan.  Our lobbying efforts will try to insure 
 that
 at least a portion of the funding granted by this act will be reserved for
 small to medium size companies and we will also be seeking to identify 
 WISPs
 as credible Broadband providers in many underserved areas of the country.
 All of our efforts will be to support the WISP industry as the various
 Government departments work through
  
  
  
 Second Question:  We are working in partnership with WISP Directory and
 Brian Webster's Wireless Mapping to get a better idea on the actual WISP
 coverage across the United States.  We need all WISPs to go to
 www.wispdirectory.com and check their company information and add the zip
 codes they cover.  Once those records are updated, Matt Larsen sends the
 info to Brian and he generates a estimated coverage map by drawing circles
 around the center of each zip code reported.  It is not perfect by any 
 means
 but it is aggregate data that we can use to prove the scope of our 
 industry
 to politicians.
  
  
  
 Third Question:  Would you be willing to write some survey questions and
 send them to me?  I'm not entirely sure what you are looking to accomplish
 but survey's are excellent tools to do this type of study.
  
  
  
 Thanks,
  
 Rick
  
  
  
 From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf
 Of Jason Petrillo
 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:01 PM
 To: memb...@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [Motorola II] Lobbying Donations So Far
 

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband Stimulus Act Representation Financial Needs

2009-01-28 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I think $500 for this type of representation would is reasonable.
Now I need 59 more people to agree

Question, what if three months go by and we have not gotten anywhere?  
It's not hard to believe that 3 months could go by and it's realized 
that we need another 3.  I mean, can you get anywhere with the 
government in three months?  Can we get a 6 month  quote?  Would we have 
to pay it all if we feel our goals are realized after 4 months?

Brian

Rick Harnish wrote:
 Craig,

  

 Obviously any donation will be appreciated.  I believe some of the larger
 WISPs will be willing to put in $500-$1000 towards this effort, knowing the
 importance to their business.  I spoke to Steve Coran a short while ago and
 expressed concern over the quick pace this legislation is being pushed
 through Congress and what would be done from his perspective over the next
 three months.  He will be getting me a plan of action shortly and also
 stated that once it makes it through Congress, it will be sent to the FCC,
 NTIA and USDA for Rule Making.  At this time, our lobbying efforts will need
 to be moved from Congress to these Departments to help construct the rules
 and policy in which this money will be dispersed.  

  

 We appreciate your contribution and know that we don't want to unduly burden
 your business with this contribution.  We do however see the need for
 everyone to put up a little so that the aggregate donations can be used to
 protect our interests.  If you would rather make a smaller donation monthly,
 that can be done as well.  Please state that when making your pledge.  Every
 little bit helps!

  

 With that said, I also encourage anyone who is not a member of WISPA yet to
 sign up and support WISPA and these efforts with membership dues.  If you
 have been procrastinating or don't think WISPA does enough for you, please
 reconsider and go to http://signup.wispa.org and apply today.  For the 30
 new members or so that have joined in the last few weeks, we appreciate your
 support.  Our billing personnel has had some illness in her family recently
 and is running behind on invoicing.  She will be getting caught up very
 soon.  Thank you for your patience.

  

 Respectively,

 Rick Harnish

  

 From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Craig House
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:35 AM
 To: Motorola Canopy User Group
 Subject: Re: [Motorola II] Broadband Stimulus Act Representation Financial
 Needs

  

 I realize that different sized WISP's  can afford different amounts of
 contributions to this cause and I think it is worthy of a donation from my
 company.  What I am curious of is, what would the average donation need to
 be assuming all Wisp members were to contribute the same amount to make this
 funding possible?  

 Craig A House
 Operations Manager
 Total Wireless Communications.

 Rick Harnish wrote: 

 To all WISPA members and interested parties,

  

 I am writing this as a member of WISPA and as a WISP who is concerned about
 the upcoming Broadband Stimulus Legislation that is moving through Congress
 as I speak.  I feel that it is imperative that we as a group work diligently
 to lobby our congressmen on the abilities of WISPs to meet the Broadband
 Deployment Issues at hand.  There is a large amount of funding that will be
 made available for Broadband Providers to extend their networks.  We need to
 speak up and be heard NOW or we may not have access to this funding in the
 process of awarding Grants and Loan Programs.

  

 To do this, we need to hire representation as a group to make sure our
 interests are heard as this policy and procedure is defined.  We have
 received a quote from Steve Coran, Rini-Coran and Mercury Strategies to
 represent WISPA for three months for a fee of $30,000.  I have attached this
 proposal for your review.  The Board has this proposal under consideration
 and Tom DeReggi is heading the Legislative Committee to work directly with
 Rini-Coran and Mercury through this process.  Our concern as a board is that
 this fee on top of the fees incurred for the TV Whitespaces work that
 Rini-Coran is doing for us will rapidly deplete our financial resources.
 However, it is very valuable work that needs to be done to insure that the
 WISP industry has a future.

  

 Our dilemma is that we need to raise additional funding from our members to
 insure that WISPA can still exist and remain a meaningful Association to
 represent your interests as this Broadband push continues in the future.  I
 am seeking voluntary donations from individual operators and Vendors to
 assist in making this happen.  We have always kept dues low to make sure we
 included even the smallest WISPs but our fees do not allow us to have the
 resources to lobby the way we should.  We will publicly post the company
 names of those who donate to this cause and I am seeking suggestions on how
 we can compensate those who donate with some sort of 

Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!

2009-01-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I just found this in an article. It points out a couple other events
that cause high trafficOne of them coming up in March

Brian


"According to the Silicon Alley Insider based on data from Akamai the
early numbers for the inauguration among news web sites was that they saw 5.4 million visitors per minute.
Peak total visitors per minute were 5.4 million, making it one of
the top five events ever, trailing both the 2008 presidential election
(#1 with 8.572 million visitors per minute at peak traffic) as well as
the first day of the NCAA college basketball tournament last March (#3
with 7.01 million visitors/minute )."


David E. Smith wrote:

  Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from 
people streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is 
pulling basically double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday.

(There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...)

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST

2009-01-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Is there a way to add a rule to the mail server that bounces messages
with OFFLIST in the title?
Brian

Charles Wu (CTI) wrote:

  Ugh...the problem is list rules -- there are some mailing lists when I click reply, it goes back straight to the sender, and need to click reply-all to get to everyone, and others where clicking reply gets me back on the list (and I need to go change to "to" topic)

I should probably just go to bed instead of posting at 2 AM

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:59 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST

This seems to be happening a lot lately :-)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


  
  
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu (CTI)
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST

Chuck,

Just a word of friendly advice

The Canopy / WISP resale world is a competitive and brutal space -- if
your plan is to target WISPs, I'd recommend that you save the trouble
and find another vertical market or product

The "reseller" cost that you see isn't that far off of what "street
WISP" pricing is for anyone who's deploying in any decent quantity --
that's just the nature of the business

You need a minimum of $5 million / year in volume and probably close to
$500k in stock to "get in the WISP game" -- but at this point in the
game, you're in a chicken  egg situation, since I'm not quite sure how
you'd build up that volume, given that

(1) most WISPs already have pre-existing relationships with their
current suppliers, and inertia is an extremely hard thing to break

(2) any new WISP you spend the time to get going that results in any
decent volume will probably get swiped by the "bigger guys" because it
ultimately all boils down to price and financing -- and they have the
volume and pricing advantage to take you out of the market

There's a reason why Streakwave went back to focus on Mikrotik /
Ubiquiti 2 years ago

Irregardless, whether or not you choose to listen to my advice, Welcome
to the big leagues =)

-Charles

P.S. -- we need to sync up again sometime and talk about how IP Pay can
save you $$$

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...

The cheapest I have ever seen large bulk distributor pricing with
buyback money is a little over $200 per SM except 900Mhz.  Now, if you
are looking at the Lite version SM's they certainly can be had for
cheaper.  All these WISPs claiming cheaper price is not telling the
truth.  Even Motorola disputes the price when questioned (yes I am a
distributor of Motorola products too).  Ask that WISP to buy 100 packs

  
  from them for me, I'll pay a 10% premium!
  
  


Also, I agree with both of you here.  Having both 900MHz Trango and
2.4Ghz MikroTik, the Trango performs very impressively with 50 clients
per AP.  I have a few AP's that are currently 100+ and they don't drop
packets, and the latency is great in comparison.  However, properly
maintained 802.11 networks do pretty well also, but I don't see them
outperforming what Trango does on clients per AP level.



Regards,

Chuck Hogg

Avolutia, LLC
502-722-9292
ch...@avolutia.com

http://www.avolutia.com

http://www.shelbybb.com



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...



Matt,

I know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure we
need to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could have
setup a plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all
different kinds of wireless adapters) could have gotten equal bandwidth
and latency at AF09?

And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11
stuff... and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using
StarOS, using OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and we
connect two clients with laptops and start a continuous upload, the
other client is basically dead in the water. Even if we limit the upload
to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that client starts the upload, the other client
has very high latency, very bad download speeds, etc.

As for price on Canopy vs. 802.11... things are not always as they seem.
I know of a large Canopy operator that is buying radios for $160 each.
;)

And, we have Trango AP's that only deliver 5Mbps total with 128 clients
and we deliver 4ms latency to every single client.

Travis
Microserv

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong 

Re: [WISPA] White Cable Available

2009-01-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I currently pay $105.99 per 1000
What kind of cost are you looking at for low cost?

Brian

Jeff Ehman wrote:
 We have just partnered closely with a manufacturer that will have beige and 
 white available.  Low cost un-shielded UV, CMX, PVC jacket.

 -Jeff


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Tom Fadgen
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:51 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] White Cable Available


 I have a source for white outdoor cable. I had a Manufacturer/Distributor
 make some special cable. 1000' is about the same price as General Cable 500'
 purchased from Home Depot. Hit me offlist for the contact info. I believe
 Travis buys for the same source.



 
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Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers

2009-01-11 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




If only someone wanted to start a business and negotiate these
contracts for wisps. One guy could run this business, know all the
tower guys and help us get on these towers. I would gladly pay someone
to do this dirty work.

Brian

Tom DeReggi wrote:

  I gotta agree with Blake. Many of the big tower companies are good to WISPs, 
once they know you, and understand your business. Its just a long road, 
getting to that stage.  Just like any business, sales reps want to feel out 
the opportunity with a client, and start out high, with the add-on 
fees,without discounting. What I find is that, there is a minimum dollar 
amount to make it worth their time to talk to you. Think about it, if they 
take ATT's call, they have the potential to sell 100s of towers and antennas 
colos. They take your call, and they have limited potential to measilly few 
hundred bucks, and its the same amount of work to write up the contracts. I 
believe Eje' situation was a side effect of not asking to colocate enough 
antennas in teh transaction. $300/1 antenna is a lot, but its feasible that 
the same tower company might have given him 5-8 antennas for $500, if he 
pushed for it.  Most tower's have free empty space, and the candidates to 
buy it are shrinking.
ONce they understand you business model, and understand its not cost 
justified for you to pay carrier price, they'll usually come down to 
something fair.

But I think the same way... Its a hassle dealing wit htower companies, jsut 
because of all the legal details and time involved. I'd hardly justify 
spending the negotiating time myself, for just an Omni install.

If you want a pack of gum, you don't go to the Hechts at the mall. Its to 
time consuming to get in and out of there. Instead, you go to the local 7 
eleven. When you want to scale an operation and install a lot of antennas, 
you NEED the tower companys. And its worth paying them for the benefits it 
offers.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Blake Bowers" bbow...@mozarks.com
To: e...@wisp-router.com; "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers


  
  
Hmmm

I know LOTS of tower companies that although their main
emphasis is cellular, they are very good to WISPS and others.

I have WISPS paying anywhere between $25.00 a month
to 500 a month, depending on location, height, etc.

And yes, my MAIN emphasis is on Cellular.  I have towers
in 18 states.

I guess I am ripping of those WISPS.


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heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: e...@wisp-router.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers




  Most tower companies that deal with cell carrier are rip offs. One 
company
I talked with wanted a minimum 500/mo and a 2k engineering fee. All I
wanted was a omni around 150ft up in their 180ft tower and a small
backhaul panel that could be at 80ft (18"x18" panel).

I offered $300 a month that is more then $1/ft per antenna and asked for 
a
waiver or reduction of the engineering fee. No go. Other companies same
thing. So don't even bother with those companies any longer rather deal
with farmers and private tower owners.

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: "Eric Rogers" ecrog...@precisionds.com

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:04:31
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers


I priced space for 3 sectors and 2 backhauls.  They wanted $1600/mo.  I
built my own tower next to it... ;)

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers

I would only assume they are, but has anyone worked with them before?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:23 AM
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers

  
  
No,
I just thought it was interesting that all of their tower locations

  
  are
  
  
listed.

I did not know they are as bad or worse than American Tower.



__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

  
  On
  
  
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.att.com/towers

Ever price them?
-RickG

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Jerry 

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-09 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




That is the one I have. It's really nice.

George Rogato wrote:

  The last harness we bought had a bar across the seat. My guys like that 
better because it lets them rest more on their butts than their legs 
while working on the side of the tower.
I think it's Elk River Eagle Tower LX Harness. Not sure exactly though, 
it's listed at 227.95 and I thought we paid more for ours.




Steve Barnes wrote:
  
  
That's what I like about this list, most every shoots straight to the
point.  Safety over the check book.  So with that said what are some
good sources, (Websites) for climbing gear.  I know Tessco, trying to
find some competing prices.

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy.  Don't go cheap on 
safety gear, you can't afford it.

Jim

Blair Davis wrote:


  I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A 
good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the 
money, you won't regret it.

Steve Barnes wrote:
  
  
New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never
climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to

  

let


  
go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
for a rig.  Any suggestions. 

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service





  





  
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