Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers

2012-04-27 Thread Chadd Thompson
Same here,

 

We have dozens of them out in the field and I have one that we use with no
issues.

 

The only issue I have seen at all was with a Kindle that would drop every
time the WPA2 key would refresh. So I am not sure if this was a kindle issue
or MT issue.

 

Chadd

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers

 

Interesting, mine has been running without a glitch at home since November,
nothing fancy in the config, just a standard SOHO setup with one pptp VPN
connection.

On 04/26/2012 02:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 

Free one from Vegas died.  Bought one and it reboots every few days.  Not
customer ready.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 26, 2012 3:19 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote:

Is anyone utilizing RB751's for this role? If so, are they reliable?

 

I've thought about using them since they can easily be managed remotely by
our staff via Webfig, or the API.


-- 

Blake Covarrubias


On Apr 26, 2012, at 11:40, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

We use TP-Link WR340G and can usually get them for about $20 shipped. Just a
basic G router, but adequate for most customers/houses. We have over 100 in
the field and only 1 bad one in about a year of using them. Used to use
Linksys and Netgear, had 3-4 times the failure rate on those. 

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Darin Steffl dcsho...@gmail.com wrote:

Hey guys, 

 

What are some of you providing for customer wireless routers if you include
them in the install as I do?  I currently have a batch of 10 Ubiquiti Air
Routers and the first two I pulled out are giving me some problems.  Could
be a bad batch.

 

I am also looking at TP-Link as they are about $30 on Amazon with external
antennas and pretty good reviews.

 

TP-Link TL-WR841N

 

What are you guys using?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411

2011-02-05 Thread Chadd Thompson
How cold are you talking?

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:42 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411

I just wanted to take this opportunity to mention that the Mikrotik 
RB411 boards are pieces of crap.Half of the ones I have failed 
during the cold spell this last week and it turns out that lots of other 
people have had the same problems.It is very frustrating to see that 
not all of the hardware we use has moved out of the amateur stage yet 
when it comes to quality control and design.

Glad I only ever bought ten of them.   They will be getting replaced 
with something reliable real soon.

FWIW, the 411AH boards I have in place have been just fine.

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411

2011-02-05 Thread Chadd Thompson
Same here. Lightning takes out Ethernet sometimes but other than that they
have been solid for us.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 2:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411

We too have several hundred in the air in ARC cases here in northern MN, no
issues.

Ryan

On Feb 5, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

 Matt... we have over 1,000 of the regular 411 boards in the air... 
 including many point to point backhaul links. We saw temps down to -30F 
 this last week and didn't have a single failure.
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 On 2/5/2011 11:41 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 I just wanted to take this opportunity to mention that the Mikrotik
 RB411 boards are pieces of crap.Half of the ones I have failed
 during the cold spell this last week and it turns out that lots of other
 people have had the same problems.It is very frustrating to see that
 not all of the hardware we use has moved out of the amateur stage yet
 when it comes to quality control and design.
 
 Glad I only ever bought ten of them.   They will be getting replaced
 with something reliable real soon.
 
 FWIW, the 411AH boards I have in place have been just fine.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Platypus Pricing Change / Free version

2011-01-29 Thread Chadd Thompson
Chuck,

 

I think I asked you this when we spoke on the phone a while back but do you
have Plat tied back into your network through radius? Or were you waiting
for V7 to come out?

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:21 PM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Platypus Pricing Change / Free version

 

V7 is supposed to be released Monday, I talked to them on Friday about it.


Regards,

Chuck



On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

Don't know but it would appear not yet.. Due in Jan I guess they are
running late !


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom

On 1/29/2011 1:56 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 I's v7 out ?

 Sent from my Motorola Startac...


 On Jan 29, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net  wrote:

 For those who may find this info useful.

 http://www.ispbilling.com/products/pricing.php

 Regards.

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Re: [WISPA] IPPay Code 012 Declines

2011-01-20 Thread Chadd Thompson
We haven't seen any declines through IP pay here but we use k-billing for
credit card and virtual terminal for our ACH recurring payments. It seems
kind of fishy that you can process them with VT but not your normal billing
software. On a side note Virtual terminal does have recurring billing set up
in it, you still have to manually tell it to run all the recurring charges
but at least you don't have to do them individually.

 

Chadd

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPPay Code 012 Declines

 

Within Platypus the reports show the response codes from IPPay.  They can
also be viewed on the IPPay reporting website.  This isn't just 1 customer,
this is a list of customers...  Accounting is asking me if we can add our
AuthorizeNet merchant account to Platypus as well so that they do not have
to manually process these cards.  I'd prefer that IPPay just fix it.


Regards,

Chuck



On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

I don't see the codes in PC but might on the reporting website, that where
you see them?

Only complaint we have is the one customer that can't be charged with a
recurring transaction.

On Jan 20, 2011 11:24 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 I am wondering how many people out there are getting Code 012 Declines
with
 their IPPay account?
 
 We are using Platypus, and all of the C012 Declines are able to be
processed
 through the Virtual Terminal. Our customer calls the bank and is told,
they
 are processing using an Adult Recurring Billing method, which is normally
 blocked on all accounts. IPPay says that the new bank that acquired these
 cards is handling it wrong and does not have an ETA for a fix. It has
 seemed to have happened with all Kroger MasterCards. Having to go through
 and manually process these accounts is starting to get to be a pain in the
 a$$. Our customers do not want to change credit cards.
 
 All of this seems like a crock, I know I am able to process them with
 AuthorizeNet automatic recurring billing. Has anyone else figured out a
 workaround for this?
 
 Regards,
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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

2011-01-04 Thread Chadd Thompson
As noisy as 2.4 is anymore I don't see how you could run both chains to
begin with. I never realized that you couldn't turn one off. It does seem
like a glaring issue to me.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

Yep.  An afterthought hardware workaround.  Thought the same thing but
messy.  Would be slick to redirect the energy with a click of the mouse
through the firmware.  Was suggested early on during the beta tests but was
dismissed by those who were blinded by the glory.  It just makes logical
sense to be able to easily switch off a chain.  Crazy, man.  Just
crazy..

Heck, I can turn off one antenna in a nothing Wal-Mart wireless
router



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Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 9:03 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

At the AirMax conference, I think someone from Ubiquiti said you could put a
couple of 50ohm 30dB attenuators on one chain to externally disable it.

-Kristian

On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 20:05 -0500, Robert West wrote:
 Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree 
 sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks,
 3 of these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay 
 for shipping easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single 
 polarity.  With a 5.8 system it's important to me to be able to 
 separate polarity between the backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish 
 UBNT would have the firmware option to turn off one chain on the 
 Rockets  Who has a network that needs to deliver 300mbps (in a 
 perfect world) to the customer?
 
  
 
 These look good.  Who is stocking them?
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
 
 
  
 
 I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea
 
  
 
 - Jerry
 
 
  
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
 
 
  
 
 First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me 
 of an old Andrews configuration except for that bonus Mechanical 
 slide that the Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I 
 really like the 130 degree beam width which would fix my issues with 
 the 120 degree UBNT sectors not quite getting there.
 
  
 
 Hm..
 
  
 
 What are the price points on these dudes?  
 
  
 
 Me-
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
 To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
 
 
  
 
 any experience with these? Any good?
 
  
 
 http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
  
 

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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

2010-12-24 Thread Chadd Thompson
Bingo!

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 9:55 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

 

Actually, the reality is, all the cash gets spent at Wal-Mart and ends up in
China.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 10:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

 

#1: The hooker doesnt get to keep the $100 because her pimp took 90% of it.
#2: The pimp ends up blowing it on his drug habit.
#3: The drug dealer spends it on the hooker, back to the pimp, now we're
stuck in a endless loop!

Comments:
A) The motel owner had no business stealing the $100 from the rich tourist.
B) Nobody benefits except the pimp and drug dealer so further down goes the
neighborhood and the optimism with it.
C) This is a perfect example of what is wrong with debt.
D) The ends never justify the means.

*If that's how stimulus works, then I want no part of it!

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com
wrote:

MDK- just for you.  :-}

-Or

It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
living on credit.

A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs
before selecting one for the night.

1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
next door to pay his debt to the butcher.

2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to
the pig farmer.

3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
supplier, the Farmer's Co-op.

4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to
the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
offer her services on credit.

5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel
owner.

6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the rich
traveler will not suspect anything.

At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are
not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town.

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is
now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.





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Re: [WISPA] Flaky connection

2010-12-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
My first guess would be local noise on the CPE end. Second would be a
hardware issue.

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flaky connection

 

I have used that, but not here.  
It is not an IP issue, the radios drop association due to excessive errors,
per the CPE.  I have never seen the AP drop the link in the log.

On 12/18/2010 7:57 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: 

Josh hit the nail on the head...  

 

See what else in going on @ the CPE. 

Also - 

 

have you folks started using MTR instead of ping?

 

MTR is like a traceroute on steroids 

 

In short - it combines the functionality of the traceroute tool and ping
application together :-)

 

It shows you packet loss across the path in real time 

 

very simple to use - but a command line tool 

 

mtr ip

 

ie  mtr 192.168.134.2 

 

 

http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/

 

 

 

 

On Dec 18, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:





Ping across, see if it works all the time.

See where the issue is first.

On Dec 18, 2010 6:28 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
 I have a new customer that is giving us fits.
 AP and CPE are both RouterOS with SR9.
 11 Clients on the AP, this is the only one with problems.
 I checked it several times today and it was running signal strength -65 
 both ways and CCQ was always above 90, often saw 100. Customer said the 
 performance was great.
 I called at dusk to say it quit working. It did not work over night 
 last night, either. It will now connect with signals in the mid-60s and 
 CCQ in the 70s. Never stays linked more than 15 seconds. Takes about 2 
 seconds for it to come back.
 The rest of the client radios are staying connected just fine. Signals 
 from -56 to -72. CCQs are all 75+ when there is traffic on the link.
 Any suggestions?
 
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Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP

2010-12-01 Thread Chadd Thompson
I am far from a Mikrotik guru but from what I know you would need to assign
private IP's to your network to be able to do this as a fail over or as load
balancing without BGP. I don't know of any DSL providers who will do BGP.

Chadd

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Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL  BGP

I would want to maintain basic surfing and VoIP traffic. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

 We do this today with Mikrotik routers.  Don't need the bgp part of it
for
 just a backup service.
 
 Pretty sure this 'wont' work without BGP if you want your clients
 public IP's to be directly accessable.
 
 



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Re: [WISPA] iBoot

2010-02-08 Thread Chadd Thompson
I used a few of these several years ago out of necessity back when I was
using buggy trango Link 10's that had a time based luckup problem. Well they
worked pretty good for a while but I noticed that they kept stealing the IP
address of the server that I was pinging for the keep alive ping and causing
all sorts of problems. I ended up trashing them because of it, they may have
gotten this fixed since then though.

I guess what I am getting at is that you make check to see this isn't why
you can't get into the web interface. Make sure it hasn't stole an IP
address from something else.

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Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
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Anyone having Dataprobe's iBoot single outlet version, have any problem
after sometime accessing it through it's web interface, which is it's only
method of access. I do of course, now it still seems to reboot the
non-responsive pinged device, but still can't access it after sometime.
Dataprobe seems to think that it is already being accessed, but I have it on
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Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far

2009-12-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
Just curious but how will this work out for you guys in the end? 

Is it going to just give you guys access to middle mile facilities or is it
going to give you access to wholesale fiber to the home?

The way I see it is in our area if the rural areas ever get FTH most of us
out here are done because there just is no way to compete with fiber in the
wireless world.

I wouldn't see anything good coming out of a government funded FTH project
in IL for the small ISP's. Now if it was just middle mile facilities that
the ISP's could hook into then yeah it would provide a future for us.

Chadd

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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-12 Thread Chadd Thompson
We use IP pay as well.

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Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

Sounds like an overwhelming consensus here.  I'm glad I asked.  Thanks,
guys.

The last time I had a company quote me fees they wouldn't put it in writing.
Red flag on that one.

Bob-



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Ip pay. Call CTI.

On 12/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 IP Pay and no, they're a completely different animal, which is what causes
 me to like them better.  Their parent is CTI, which is a vendor member.

 They have a virtual terminal as well as support for several different
 billing systems and traditional terminals as well.


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 Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed to death
 with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work with
 authorize.net?



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Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread Chadd Thompson
How is Nstreme working now days? I have not tried it on anything except PTP
for a few years now. The last time I tried it on an AP it was pretty rough.
Latency was very unstable and throughput wasn't all that great. I had read
that there was a new version in the test package a while back but never got
around to trying it again.

Chadd

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On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 04:25 +, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: 
 Tell that to Alvarion. 

Or Mikrotik for that matter.  Nstreme != 802.11

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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
I will have to give our account rep a call then. This pricing was from Jan
of this year.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Rick Kunze
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

They're close to 1/2 that now.

Rk

On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote:
 Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial
 DS3.

 10mb: $4300
 20mb: $4788
 30mb: $5300






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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial
DS3.

10mb: $4300
20mb: $4788
30mb: $5300


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't
say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k.

The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet
justification.


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From: Richey myli...@battleop.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 /rant on

 Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market
 where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might get
 a
 DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
 those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
 connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in
 the
 beginning.

 If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give
 you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar
 situation
 where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate
 any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
 until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.

 The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
 multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard for
 the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks
 are non portable.

 /rant off

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Cliff Olle
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days
 or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
 only using 4 class Cs?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Piehn
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


 Scott
 - Original Message -
 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
 you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's
 and
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
Been there done that.

We were getting double billed for about 8 months because they didn't remove
our billing on some old circuits after they forced us to upgrade from the
old SBC network. We paid it for a few months because our account rep said it
would be fixed and they would credit our account for what we over paid. Well
they didn't get it fixed and we stopped paying it, our account rep assured
us it was nothing to worry about and that it would be taken care of. Well 8
months later the ATT collections dept was calling me saying they were going
to turn us over to an outside collection agency. A quick call to my account
rep and then one to the IL commerce commission had the problem taken care of
in about 2 weeks.

Sounds like you have had similar issues with them but you have no idea how
much grief ATT/SBC has caused me over the last 6 yrs we have been in
business. I wish I could get away from them but at this point in time no one
seems to be able to help us out down here.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Of course, they'll bill you 10 times that and never fix their billing
issues! -RickG

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Chadd Thompson chad...@msn.com wrote:

 Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial
 DS3.

 10mb: $4300
 20mb: $4788
 30mb: $5300


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I
 won't
 say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k.

 The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet
 justification.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



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 From: Richey myli...@battleop.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

  /rant on
 
  Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a
 market
  where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might
get
  a
  DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
  those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
  connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in
  the
  beginning.
 
  If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will
give
  you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar
  situation
  where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to
allocate
  any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
  until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.
 
  The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
  multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard
for
  the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP
blocks
  are non portable.
 
  /rant off
 
  Richey
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Cliff Olle
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
 
  I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30
 days
  or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you
are
  only using 4 class Cs?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Scott Piehn
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
 
  One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.
 
 
  Scott
  - Original Message -
  From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
 
 
  If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
  you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)
 
  John
 
 
  Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
  We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's
  and
  will need more pretty soon in one location.
 
  Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?
 
  marlon
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Insurance

2009-02-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
I have not heard anything from Chubb indicating this. Are they not taking
new customers or getting rid of existing ones also?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance


I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that
pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them.  I used
Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are
usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more
questions.

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RE: [WISPA] Reverse lookup

2007-07-12 Thread Chadd Thompson
Here you go.

OrgName:Ontario Hydro - Telecom
OrgID:  OHYD
Address:483 Bay Street, 8th floor
NetRange:   142.45.0.0 - 142.50.255.255
CIDR:   142.45.0.0/16, 142.46.0.0/15, 142.48.0.0/15, 142.50.0.0/16
NetName:ONTARIO-HYDRO
NetHandle:  NET-142-45-0-0-1
Parent: NET-142-0-0-0-0
NetType:Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.HYDROONETELECOM.COM
NameServer: NS2.HYDROONETELECOM.COM
Comment:
RegDate:1990-03-26
Updated:2002-09-25

RTechHandle: SH497-ARIN
RTechName:   HSU, Sheng
RTechPhone:  +1-416-240-6688
RTechEmail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-07-11 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Carl A jeptha
 Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Reverse lookup
 
 
 can someone do a reverse look up on the following # 142.46.11.217. I 
 need to know who is answering for it. Also need to know how to create a 
 proper revers name for 16 ip addresses in bind all I'm is info for a /24
 
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RE: [WISPA] strange connectivity issues

2007-05-25 Thread Chadd Thompson
Marlon,

Sound like you covered all your bases here but here is my .02 worth.

I have had issues like this in the past and it has always been related to
one of three things.

1. If it is a new hookup from dialup or SAT usually it is some sort of a
proxy issue, either proxy is enabled in internet explorer settings or there
is a third party app installed for the dialup/sat. I had to reformat a PC
one time because I couldn't get a clean uninstall of Directway's proxy
software.

2. Mcaffee or Norton Virus/internet security is installed tyring to make
sure that it stays installed on the PC and kept up to date. I have seen both
programs totally hose a PC with the same issues you are describing. One of
the first things I do on a PC with either of these to programs is uninstall
it if it will let you and install AVG Antivirus and AVG anitspyware or MS
defender.

3. There is a virus and or spyware on the PC.

Thanks,
Chadd

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 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:35 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [WISPA] strange connectivity issues


 I've had some very strange things happen of late.

 Wed. I hooked up a new customer.  Couldn't get their system to
 work but my
 laptop did.  I told them to call MacAfee and see if they could figure out
 what was blocking things.  They ended up taking the computer to a
 friend's
 house, hooking it up to a dsl connection via a router and it worked just
 fine.  Why would it not work via static ip but would via dhcp?

 Yesterday I did a Vista setup.  It would connect to the wireless
 router just
 fine but would not get to the internet.  I finally went into IE
 options and
 set all of them back to the defaults.  What BS would have been in IE that
 would have told it to not use the established network connection?  There
 were no proxy's set up either.  Worked with the same router and wildblue
 sat. connection.  I changed the wireless network name and local ip addy.
 Nothing else changed.  It still says that the DNS suffix is
 wildblue.net.  I
 can't find that anywhere in the machine.  Oh yeah, the machine
 had both IE
 and firefox, neither worked.

 Vista is a disaster.  Crappy interface.  Hides everything in
 strange places
 and in non intuitive fashion.

 Today I get an email from a customer that can email but IE won't
 work.  This
 one's dialup.

 Anyone else seeing strange stuff like this?  Is there some
 bizarre windows
 update or virus program that's messing things up?

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
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RE: [WISPA] Credit Card Processing

2007-05-22 Thread Chadd Thompson
Doesn't paypal charge a pretty hefty transaction fee when accepting payments
with this type of account?

Thanks,
Chadd

 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ralph
 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:10 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Credit Card Processing


 Paypal has a free business member account with no monthly charge. You can
 put links to different charge amounts on a web page for people to
 use or you
 can enter the charges yourself. Its like a virtual terminal but
 not exactly.
 If you want that, it will cost you 20 bucks a month but you really don't
 need it.

 Ralph

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 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Credit Card Processing


 Does anyone know of someone that'll do credit card processing
 with a virtual
 terminal, but has no or a very low monthly fee?  I don't have much credit
 card demand, so paying $20/month for that right would be kinda silly.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions

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RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list

2007-05-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
Please don't take this in a negative tone because it is not meant to be, I
know it is hard to judge tone through an email.

 It astounds me that you would make the statement above but not
 understand why it is your obligation to pay the $25 a month it costs to
 pay your part. If you cannot pay $25 a month for the things we are doing
 then you are not seeing the bigger picture. You cannot afford not to pay
 your dues. I have saved several times more than I pay in dues with what
 I get from WISPA. If you don't then you have simply not looked at what
 we are offering..

I really don't know what WISPA is offering members as far as benefits. I am
looking at the WISPA web site as I type this. There is nothing on the web
site indicating what WISPA is doing and or has done since it has been
around. I may not be looking in the right place on the web site but all I
see is some general news. To get members you have to show people what the
value is to join. Again I know people are working on stuff in tbe background
but what? Maybe once someone joins they have access to different lists or a
different place on the WEB site that shows more of whats going on.

I guess my point here is that in my opinion WISPA needs to do a better job
of selling it self, showing what it's doing and what it has done for our
industry.

 So $25 per month is a deal breaker? Maybe you need a stronger
 association to work to find ways of making you more money. Then again if
 you cannot see the value then why would you join?

Again see my comments above, I really don't know what the value of WISPA is,
please exlpain to me what the benefits of membership are.


 I am not a WISPA member and I don't consider myself a freeloader
 here. If I
 give input to one person a month on a problem they are having I
 have pulled
 my weight.
 
 
 Sorry. That is not enough. We need dues to do the work of what needs to
 be done in WISPA. We all help each other on the lists. That goes both
 ways  You never get help from people on the lists?

Yes I get help from others on the list. This was more of a reply to indicate
that normal interaction on the freelist should justify ones being there and
that as long as there is back and fourth assistance then someone is pulling
thier weight as far as the freelist goes.



 That does not help lobby for change in regulatory or legislative
 efforts. I work for free as basically an executive director for this
 organization, Marlon works for free  basically as a lobbyist. Rick
 Harnish runs 60 list servers for free. Matt Larsen runs the WISPA
 website. Do you think we do this so we can get an attaboy? We do this to
 help guys like you. We won't be here doing it for free forever. Who does
 the heavy lifting if we all decided to do it your way? Who pays the
 bills then?

What has and what is WISPA lobbying for? What has WISPA successfully lobbied
for?


 As I have mentioned before, everytime I get ready to open up the
 wallet to
 join crap like this comes up and makes me wonder if it is a good
 investment.
 Talk of free listserver members being freeloaders and not
 supporting the org
 is sure as hell not a good way to drive up membership.
 
  What is the feel good way for us to convince you that the $3000 worth
 of free legal help we gave out for CALEA is worth the $250 a year? That
 is just one thing WISPA has done for WISPs lately. We constantly work to
 help. If you cannot see it then you just are not paying enough attention
 to what we do for you guys here.
 Scriv

I am sorry but as I mentioned above I can not see from the outside what
WISPA is doing or has going on. Maybe I am not paying close enough
attention, I don't know.

As far as a feel good way that I would be getting my $$ worth, for one thing
I think that seeing that the code of ethics was being upheld as defined for
the org would be a good starter.

ARTICLE II
We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our
industry and enhance its reputation.

ARTICLE III
We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the
dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and
promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor.

ARTICLE IV
We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public regard and
confidence in our Industry.

) Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or
prospective clients.

Looking from the outside it doesn't always appear that the ORG is able to
uphold the code of ethics. This is mainly based off of discussions held on
the freelist. I see comments from members, officers of the ORG that I feel
do not uphold the above listed items from the code of ethics.

Again please read this as an outsider looking in, trying to understand what
WISPA has going on or as done for our industry and what the value is for me
to join. I am not saying WISPA is not doing or has not done anything for our
industry. I just need some help understanding.

Thanks,
Chadd Thompson

RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list

2007-05-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
Butch,

Thanks for taking the time to reply with a well thought out professional
response to my questions.

 Those are just 2 examples, both of which were posted right here on
 this free list.


Sorry if what I was asking didn't come across the correct way. I am not
worried about the monetary value of what membership gives, that information
has been well advertised. There seems to be great support from vendors and
such to WISPA members.


 Looking from the outside it doesn't always appear that the ORG is
 able to uphold the code of ethics. This is mainly based off of
 discussions held on the freelist. I see comments from members,
 officers of the ORG that I feel do not uphold the above listed
 items from the code of ethics.

 I'd really like to understand what you see that makes this a true
 statement.


Just read some of the responses to this discussion that has been going on. I
think it is pretty obvious. Or if its not maybe I am reading more into
comments than I should be, if thats the case I apologize as I mentioned in
my previous post it is very difficult to interpret someones tone when
reading an email.

Here is a quote that I take as being non professional and I definalty don't
think comments like this do anything to support WISPA, our industry and in
my opinion do nothing to add any credibility to WISP's in general.

Quote
You've got this backward Peter.

The question is, what value to they bring to WISPA?
Unquote.

 I am not gonna sell you the organization.  But I will work on
 answering this a little.

 1. WISPA is right now working on a standard that will make CALEA
 safe harbor VERY INEXPENSIVE for WISPs.  Not just members.  This is
 an INDUSTRY solution.

Does WISPA seek input from members when dealing with issues like this? Or is
everything decided by a group of officers? In other words how does the ORG
run on a day to day basis, how are decisions made, how does it decide what
battles to fight, how does it determine what stance to take on issues?


 2. WISPA has been urging WISPs to file the 477 forms, which is
 important because it will make us, as an industry, a larger portion
 of the broadband deployment in the US (statistically) as far as the
 government is concerned.  Why is this important?  Besides being the
 law, government is working to insure that every American has access
 to broadband.  If we are providing that service in an area and they
 don't know about it, they will still work on a way to get that
 access available.

 3. WISPA has urged (on several occasions) WISPs to file comments on
 various spectrum issues that would be beneficial to WISPs.  WISPA
 has (as an organization) filed comments as well.  Because we don't
 have the $$ to hire a lobby, this is the best effort in this regard.

 Now it's time to ask YOU what YOU have done for our industry.  Have
 you filed comments on the issues that will impact your business?
 For the most part, over the past couple of years WISPA has.  Have
 you filed your 477?


Yes I have been sending in our 477 since it came out.
Tincans Wireless Internet

Yes I have commented on issues to the FCC with regards our industry. Some I
have heard about on this list and some I have heard about elsewhere.


 If you're not going to join, then just don't join.  Stop making
 excuses about what are you doing...You claim to be on the list
 since the beginning and you can't see what's been happening?  What
 advantage does WISPA offer you?  Give me a break.  WISPA has done a
 LOT, considering the $$ that they have to work with.  Either join or
 don't, but stop acting as though you need to be sold because you
 can't find anything on the website giving you what the value of
 WISPA is.

 FWIW, I do agree that WISPA needs to do a better job of selling
 itself on the website, but the point (in your case) is that you are
 just using it as an excuse, IMO.



Again Butch thanks for taking the time to respond in a professional,
productive manner. I am sure it looks as if I am making excuses not to join,
but if that was the case I wouldn't be here to begin with, it would not be
worth my energy/time if I was not truly intersted in joining and supporting
WISPA. I just have questions about how the ORG operates on a day to day
basis, how decisions are made, where does the average joe fit in, etc etc.

Thanks,
Chadd Thompson



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RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list

2007-05-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
 I will say this though - if you aren't a member, how do you have a say
 in what the Org does?


Because the org is speaking on the behalf of all WISPS not just WISPA
members. If the org is speaking on the behalf of all WISPS then all WISPS
should be able to have some input on what is being taken to the table,
member or not. I offered to help with whatever I could when WISPA started,
but I was never taken up on my offer of time.

We my wife and I have been in business for over four years now and have
just now gotten to the point that I could quit my Day job and focus on our
business. So yes the money is a big deal to some companies out there.

I am not a WISPA member and I don't consider myself a freeloader here. If I
give input to one person a month on a problem they are having I have pulled
my weight.

As I have mentioned before, everytime I get ready to open up the wallet to
join crap like this comes up and makes me wonder if it is a good investment.
Talk of free listserver members being freeloaders and not supporting the org
is sure as hell not a good way to drive up membership.

Thanks,
Chadd Thompson



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RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup

2007-05-01 Thread Chadd Thompson
You want to help the guy or poke him with a stick?

:O)

Chadd

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
 Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:22 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
 
 Ty,
 
 I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this.
 
 Regards,
 Dawn DiPietro
 
 
 Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote:
  Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a
  MT hotspot  I have tried several times; and just can not get it to
  function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to
  work... doa.
 
  I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a
  contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail.
 
 
  --
  Regards,
 
  Ty Carter, President
  Strategic Network Consultants, Inc.
  524 East 9th Street
  Washington, NC  27889
  252-946-0351 .::. Office
  252-402-5296 .::. Cell
  252-946-8763 .::. Fax
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  Visit us on the web at:  http://www.strategicconsultants.net
 
 
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup

2007-05-01 Thread Chadd Thompson

I kind of thought the same thing, but thought he may be poking fun
at him or something. 

I have been planning on joining WISPA this year once I can scrape up
the $$ to do it but with the recent bashing of certified/non-certified
solutions I am not sure it is where I want to spend my money. 

I have a mixed network of certified and non-certified equipment as
does everyone operating in our area. One of the draws for me to join WISPA
was the recent discussion of WISPA heading up a program to try to get some
of the more common non-certified solutions certified. I have looked into
getting my own equipment certified but if this is something that WISPA is
going to do I would definitely rather spend my money to support WISPA in its
efforts. Does anyone know where WISPA is at on this project and if it is
moving forward?

Thanks,
Chadd

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 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
 
 On Tue, 1 May 2007, Dawn DiPietro wrote:
 
 I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this.
 
 Why would you assume otherwise?  This is a bit contentious isn't it?
 
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RE: [WISPA] Trango 900

2007-04-13 Thread Chadd Thompson
Sounds about right, the other thing with higher noise levels is that you
will have packet loss. You can still have good throughput but you will have
packet loss.

Chadd 

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 Behalf Of Smith, Rick
 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:40 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 900
 
 depending on noise floor, we get anywhere from 1 to 2.7 meg.
 
 Highest I've EVER seen was 2.85 mbps - 2 miles out, with -59 signal.
 
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 Behalf Of chris cooper
 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:21 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Trango 900
 
 
 What is the non-vendor speak, actual production max throughput on a
 Trango 900 Mhz AP?
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
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RE: [WISPA] Trango 900

2007-04-13 Thread Chadd Thompson
Yes the noise will definitely reduce the capacity on your AP.

Chadd

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 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:52 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 900
 
 ... and packet loss requires the packets to be retransmitted which takes
 up additional timeslots which leads to a lowering of the overall
 throughput capacity because some of the throughput-carrying timeslots
 are used up by the retransmissions and therefore aren't available to
 transport throughput ...
 
 Chadd Thompson wrote:
  Sounds about right, the other thing with higher noise levels is that you
  will have packet loss. You can still have good throughput but you will
 have
  packet loss.
 
  Chadd
 

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RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help

2007-04-08 Thread Chadd Thompson
My advise is to stay away from it if you can. The noise in most areas is
horrible, and I have not seen any gear yet that can deal with it. I have
some customers running on it still but any chance I get I take users off 900
and put them on 2.4 or 5.8. The equipment is expensive the antennas are
huge. etc etc

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 Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:14 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help


 Folks,

I'm just entering into the 900MHz space and would appreciate
 any advice on channel selection and channel width settings.

 TIA, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
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RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help

2007-04-08 Thread Chadd Thompson
Im experience it depends on what you consider works. If you consider being
able to transfer a decent amount of data with 5% packet loss working then
yeah it works, if you have anything that is latency sensitive then no it
doesn't work well in noisy environments. Our area is noisy on both H and V
pol so I am not able to avoid the noise and it clobbers my Trango 900. As I
mentioned in my previous post I am moving as many as my customers off 900 as
I can and I have not done any new 900 installs for quite sometime.

Chadd

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 I agree with Mac. Trango 900mhz just works.

 Travis


 Mac Dearman wrote:
  Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
 
 
  Mac,
 
  What 900 MHz gear do you use?
 
 
 
  100% Trango :-P
 
  The dual electrically selectable polarity and their reliability
 just keep me
  coming back to them!
 
  Mac
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Chadd Thompson
Scriv,

I use the tape-tape-tape method. First I wrap the connection very
tight with a high quality electrical tape like 3M super88, then I wrap a
layer of self sealing rubber tape 3M brand also, then a final layer of 3M
super88. You need to make sure your wraps are tight. Also make sure that
adhesive lined heat shrink is being used on your cables.

You also need to make sure you are wrapping your tape correctly so
that the overlap on the tape is correct. For example if you have a
connector/cable that runs up and down you want to wrap your tape from bottom
to top, not top to bottom this lets the water shed over your wrap similar to
shingles on a house rather then running into the wrap.

This is what I do and knock on wood I have not had water get into a cable in
the 4 years I have been doing this.

Chadd

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 Behalf Of John Scrivner
 Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress
 
 I would like a bit of feedback from those of you who have been
 installing outdoor antennas for a while. I have a problem that I would
 like to see fixed. It seems that after every long rain we see problems
 with the occasional connection outside at the antenna getting water into
 it. We use the Scotch seal mastic tape to seal the connections. The guys
 do not like having to climb and they work hard to try to make sure we do
 not get these problems and yet they come back. I would like to hear what
 you veterans out there are doing to make sure the water stays out.
 Thanks,
 Scriv
 
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RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Chadd Thompson
Forgot to mention a side benefit do doing it this way is that I don't have
to deal with mastic if I need to swap something out in the future. Usually I
can unwrap the connection with little trouble, otherwise I slit it with a
razor knife then peal it of nice and clean.

Chadd

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
 Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:45 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress
 
 Scriv,
 
   I use the tape-tape-tape method. First I wrap the connection very
 tight with a high quality electrical tape like 3M super88, then I wrap a
 layer of self sealing rubber tape 3M brand also, then a final layer of
 3M
 super88. You need to make sure your wraps are tight. Also make sure that
 adhesive lined heat shrink is being used on your cables.
 
   You also need to make sure you are wrapping your tape correctly so
 that the overlap on the tape is correct. For example if you have a
 connector/cable that runs up and down you want to wrap your tape from
 bottom
 to top, not top to bottom this lets the water shed over your wrap similar
 to
 shingles on a house rather then running into the wrap.
 
 This is what I do and knock on wood I have not had water get into a cable
 in
 the 4 years I have been doing this.
 
 Chadd
 

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RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-08 Thread Chadd Thompson
Agreed..

 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:19 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
 
 Well, either way, if it's an ap that talks to more than one client, it's
 max
 eirp is 4 watts.  36dB
 laters,
 marlon
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:00 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces
 
 
  Sorry,
 
  The signal was in the -70's not right at -70. It was mid to upper -70's
  from
  what I figured up they were putting out around 43dBm EIRP. I could also
  see
  the SSID of the AP so I know what town it was located in and it was/is a
  sectorized POP that would be around 30dBm radio input to a 14-15dBi
  antenna
  or a 26dBm radio input to a 17-18dBi antenna.
 
  Thanks,
  Chadd
 
 
  That's 4 watts.  At 39 dB you'd be at 8 watts.  At 40 it would be
  around 10
  watts.
 
  Are you SURE that the remote tower you're seeing at -70 is really
  20 miles
  out?  To pick that up with a -70 rssi from a 9 dB antenna would
  require an
  amazing amount of power.
 
  It was very common for a long time to see Hyperlink and a couple of
 other
  amp manufacturers sell 1 watt amps (30 dB) and 15 dB omni antennas.
 Even
  with that config I show an rssi of -76.  I guess they could be
  running a 2
  watt amp and a 18 dB panel of some kind.  But I'd find that very
 unusual.
 
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RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Chadd Thompson
Yes 36 dBm.

Thanks,
Chadd

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:00 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
 
 Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit?
 
 On 2/7/07, Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Chadd,
 
  I did some checking, and I found I have eight towers within 10 miles of
  your
  north tower at your house, and five towers within 10 miles of your
 Carlyle
  pop.  You are at the edge of our coverage area, and I haven't had the
  opportunity to meet with you yet.  I would be interested in finding more
  about this illegal AP in our mutual area.  I run all of my pops at
 40db
  or
  less, so I know it is not one of mine.  I have had suspicions about some
  of
  our competitors, but I am not aware of any of them being active on the
  lists.
 
  Maybe we should get together for lunch sometime.  Call me anytime.
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Chadd Thompson
Sorry,

The signal was in the -70's not right at -70. It was mid to upper -70's from
what I figured up they were putting out around 43dBm EIRP. I could also see
the SSID of the AP so I know what town it was located in and it was/is a
sectorized POP that would be around 30dBm radio input to a 14-15dBi antenna
or a 26dBm radio input to a 17-18dBi antenna.

Thanks,
Chadd


 That's 4 watts.  At 39 dB you'd be at 8 watts.  At 40 it would be
 around 10
 watts.

 Are you SURE that the remote tower you're seeing at -70 is really
 20 miles
 out?  To pick that up with a -70 rssi from a 9 dB antenna would
 require an
 amazing amount of power.

 It was very common for a long time to see Hyperlink and a couple of other
 amp manufacturers sell 1 watt amps (30 dB) and 15 dB omni antennas.  Even
 with that config I show an rssi of -76.  I guess they could be
 running a 2
 watt amp and a 18 dB panel of some kind.  But I'd find that very unusual.

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RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Chadd Thompson
In our area So IL/metro St.Louis there are some large guys who are in no
way shape or form legal, over power limits and the whole 9 yards. I can see
other WISP Omni POP's with signal levels in the -70's from over 20 miles
away using a 9dBi on my end, figure up what the EIRP on that is. The one in
this case is a well know respected WISP that visits the popular lists, I
always hope that he doesn't know that is going on and one of his guys is
responsible but I have never taken the time to call them up and talk to them
about it either.

I don't know of any WISP's in this area about 10 that I know of including
myself who are 100% legal when it comes to using only certified equipment.
Most I think stay within power limits and equivalent antennas

The other issue I see in our area is all the new start up WISP's who know
nothing about the industry, the rules, networking, and don't know squat
about RF. These guys are going to be our Achilles heal IMHO. There are too
many vendors selling stuff and they are not concerned in the least bit
whether the guys they are selling to know anything about Part15 rules. When
I started four years ago it seemed like there were not near as many
uncertified options as there are today so I came into the industry using
certified equipment and knew what the rules were. It's too easy to buy
802.xx equipment throw it up on a pole and sell internet to a few users,
more than likely they are not going to be successful but it still hurts
everyone of us.

I admit I am a glass half empty kind of guy, but I don't think there we are
going to have any usable spectrum within the next one to two years because
of stuff like this.

Chadd


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:16 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces
 
 I agree that MOST wisps are likely compliant.
 Unfortuneately, it won't stay that way, if we let the industry slowly
 deteriorate and slide.
 I think compliance is a message that continually needs to be revisited,
 sorta like speed bumps. Its easy to not realize you are speeding, yet we
 all
 know where the speedometer is located.
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 

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RE: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL

2007-01-29 Thread Chadd Thompson

Almost makes you want to close the doors on the rural market and let the
FCC/Gov fund/force ATT or whoever to provide service in these underserved
areas. 

It is going to get to the point where we are only going to be able to
compete in areas where DSL/Cable is not available. I am not sure about the
rest of you but there are not enough of those customers in our area to
survive on that alone. 

It disgusts me anymore to see this type of stuff, well this and to see how
many ISP's are getting huge amount of $$$ from the government to provide
service in areas that are already served by one or more ISP's. One of our
local ISP's has received a cash cow to deploy fiber over a good portion of
Southern IL. I am surprised Scriv hasn't mentioned this as I think it is
going to encroach on a few areas he currently serves.

 
 Kimmelman, for one, thinks ATT's new DSL pricing will help discipline
 broadband pricing. Once ATT's $19.95 rate for naked DSL is broadly
 available, other broadband providers, including cable, will be
 hard-pressed to keep hiding behind a higher price.
 

They need to do something with ATT to get them to improve service and
reduce cost for competing ISP's who are forced to either buy bandwidth from
them or pay their outrageous local loop prices.

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RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost

2006-12-20 Thread Chadd Thompson
Well I did a bit of searching on the trango support forums and found a
thread of someone with a similar problem. Trango support made a
recommendation to turn off the maclist filter off on the RU. I went a head
and turned it off on the RU's, telnet in and issue maclist filter off
command. I did this last night sometime and have not had any issues as of
yet. Since last week sometime I was having to reboot the BH's twice a day or
more. I will see what happens with it and if this doesn't do it I will let
you guys know.

Funny thing about this is that about a week ago I was thinking to myself
damn those link 10's have ran good the last few years. I was an early
adopter of the link 10 and had nothing but issues with them for the first 6
months or so after release, I felt like a beta tester. Once they fixed
software bugs though they have ran well, until now that is.

Problems like this make you realize how quickly and unexpectedly things can
take a crap on you with little or no changes to your network.

Thanks again for the help.
Chadd

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mac Dearman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:43 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
 
 Chadd,
 
   That is a Trango command and it does turn arp off. I have both worlds
 here
 - - bridged and routed and I have never had any of my TLink 10's to do
 that
 to me. I am not saying that's not your problem - I am just saying I have
 never had that issue. We have many more than 300 traversing Tlink10
 backhauls today - - -
 
 What firmware are you running? Is there a certain time of the day things
 go
 awry? A certain temp? Is there a pps correlation? What is each Tlink
 plugged
 in to?
 
 
 
 Mac
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Todd Barber
 Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:56 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
 
 Mac,
 
 We tried that but it didn't totally resolve the issue.  Chadd, I would
 guess
 it was around 100.
 
 Todd Barber
 Skylink Broadband Internet
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 970-454-9499
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mac Dearman
 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:09 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
 
 telnet:
 
 arp -bcast off
 
 
 
 Mac
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Todd Barber
 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
 
 Chadd,
 
 We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged.  The
 root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were
 using as are primary BHs.
 
 Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the
 ARP table gets corrupted.  Trango does not have a fix for this issue.
 
 As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the
 Trangos on a regular basis.  The command line for the 5800 and 5830 units
 is
 maclist reset.
 
 We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the
 number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos.  This fixed the problem.
 
 Todd Barber
 Skylink Broadband Internet
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 970-454-9499
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:00 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
 
 Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't
 sure if everyone is on both lists.
 
 
 I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my
 AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands,
 Trango,
 MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies.
 
 The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have
 problems
 only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can
 still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass
 traffic
 fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual
 segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I
 have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem
 to
 find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my
 ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush
 my ARP when I have the issue.
 
 Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting
 to the point where I need to break down and start setting up routing at
 each
 of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that was the
 case
 I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after a
 Backhaul
 reboot.
 
 I am looking

[WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost

2006-12-19 Thread Chadd Thompson
Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't
sure if everyone is on both lists.


I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my
AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands, Trango,
MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies. 

The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have problems
only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can
still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass traffic
fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual
segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I
have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem to
find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my
ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush
my ARP when I have the issue.

Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting
to the point where I need to break down and start setting up routing at each
of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that was the case
I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after a Backhaul
reboot.

I am looking for suggestions of other things I may/should be checking and or
looking at.

Thanks,
Chadd


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RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost

2006-12-19 Thread Chadd Thompson
Sounds like this could be it.

The backhauls are Trango link 10's do you happen to remember what the ARP
limit was that you were having problems with?

Thanks,
Chadd

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Todd Barber
 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost


 Chadd,

 We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged.  The
 root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were
 using as are primary BHs.

 Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the
 ARP table gets corrupted.  Trango does not have a fix for this issue.

 As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the
 Trangos on a regular basis.  The command line for the 5800 and
 5830 units is
 maclist reset.

 We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the
 number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos.  This fixed the problem.

 Todd Barber
 Skylink Broadband Internet
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 970-454-9499

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:00 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost

 Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't
 sure if everyone is on both lists.


 I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my
 AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of
 brands, Trango,
 MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different
 frequencies.

 The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will
 have problems
 only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can
 still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will
 pass traffic
 fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual
 segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I
 have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and
 can't seem to
 find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my
 ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush
 my ARP when I have the issue.

 Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting
 to the point where I need to break down and start setting up
 routing at each
 of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that
 was the case
 I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after
 a Backhaul
 reboot.

 I am looking for suggestions of other things I may/should be
 checking and or
 looking at.

 Thanks,
 Chadd


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RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost

2006-12-19 Thread Chadd Thompson
Mac,

Is this a trango command? I don't remember there being an arp command in
the link10's

Thanks,
Chadd

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Dearman
 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:09 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost


 telnet:

 arp -bcast off



 Mac



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Todd Barber
 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost

 Chadd,

 We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged.  The
 root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were
 using as are primary BHs.

 Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the
 ARP table gets corrupted.  Trango does not have a fix for this issue.

 As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the
 Trangos on a regular basis.  The command line for the 5800 and
 5830 units is
 maclist reset.

 We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the
 number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos.  This fixed the problem.

 Todd Barber
 Skylink Broadband Internet
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 970-454-9499


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[WISPA] OT: sendmail question

2006-10-30 Thread Chadd Thompson
Does anyone know if it is possible if you are hosting multiple domains on a
single Sendmail server if you can restrict what local users can send and
receive mail to a particular domain instead of everyone on the box being
able to send and receive from all the domains being hosted?

For example, 

You have a local user named bob and you have three domains that your server
handles mail for, say yingyang.com, yoyo.com and jacks.com. You could send
an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 
they would
all get to the local user bob. Is there anyway to restrict bob to only be
able to receive and send on one of those particular domains instead of all
three? I though that I had found something on this in the past but I have
been googling for two days now and have come up with nothing. 

The only thing I have found is the virtual user table, but I would have to
put an entry in there for each domain and each user to be able to do what I
have described. If sendmail cant do this are there any other MTA's that can?

Thanks.
Chadd

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RE: [WISPA] OT: sendmail question

2006-10-30 Thread Chadd Thompson
Won't that still allow the user to receive mail for every domain on the
server unless you go in for every user and specifically deny that particular
address? 

Say you wanted bob to only be able to receive mail on yoyo.com and not
yingyang.com or jacks.com. I would have to put entries in the virtual user
table to exclude/deny the addresses of [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
that way the only email that could get through to bob would be [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is there any other way to do this?

On a side note lately I have been having users get other users email. It is
always a spam message and never a legitimate email but still has me boggled
on how it is happening. I inspect the header information and it shows that
it was came in on the server to the correct addressed user, but it ends up
in a different mailbox. Any ideas on that?

Thanks,
Chadd

 
  The only thing I have found is the virtual user table,
 That is how you do it.  Make a virtual user for the main account and
 then just  forward the other email addresses to that account.
 
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RE: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system

2006-08-17 Thread Chadd Thompson








Yeah more power will fix it..













From:
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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006
11:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA
General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS
system







Get them a bigger antenna at that site so that they can have
better coverage there.











And/or put in a band pass filter for them.











marlon













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From: chris
cooper 





To: 'WISPA General
List' 





Sent: Wednesday, August
16, 2006 11:33 AM





Subject: [WISPA] 900 mhz
AMS system









A rural water district cuts through the center of our
network. Their automatic meter reading system operates on 916.5 at @ ½
db. They are having problems reading meters near one of our cells that
sits 2 Mhz off them. That was the only slot available on that tower, so
we cant really move without major disruption. Their system only works on
916.5 Has anyone had to work through this? If you have can you hit
me offlist? Im interested in what compromise was worked out.



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[WISPA] VOIP consultants?

2006-08-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
Anyone know of any VOIP consultants?
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RE: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services

2006-08-14 Thread Chadd Thompson
Title: Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services








The problem with this in our area is that
generally they want more per month for rental that we would generate for subs
off a tower. They think we are similar to cell companies and have deep pockets,
not realizing that we may only serve 30 customers off of a single tower.



Chadd













From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:19
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower
contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services





Or even better is to just pay a flat monthly rate
regardless of customers, etc.

It's really none of their business how many customers you have on a tower, or
how much they are generating, etc. We ONLY pay a monthly rental fee.

Travis
Microserv

Brian Webster wrote: 



Johnny,





 If you can get away
from the revenue share try to. If they want in on the action maybe set up a
flat rate per customer added to that site. The reason for this would be that if
you need to increase your ARPU you can raise the price and not have an
increased expense for doing so, your expense to the tower owner stays the same.
Inmy cellular days the carriers would never do a revenue share with
landowners or tower owners. When it was a sticking point in the negotiations it
could be overcome most times by finding some point (in this case per customer)
to increase the payment on a more fixed rate. If you were to ever try and sell
your business this puts you in a much more favorable position than having
revenue sharing. Revenue sharing creates a situation where you might have to
open your books to this landowner so he can audit to see if he is getting his
proper payments, whereas all you need to do for a per customer rate is do a
dump from something like your Radius server or the access point itself to have
all the accounting information necessary. Just an idea and a useless one if you
have already committed to this deal.













Thank You,





Brian Webster





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Message-
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12:03 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tower contract /
Revenue Share / Discounted Services

Have a company that
is paying us to install a tower at their location so we they can receive our
internet services. What we negotiated was - they pay for ALL costs including
backhaul, 3 2.4ghz sectors, tower costs / installation costs.

We get exclusive rights to the tower. They get 20% revenue
share from any customers being served directly off of the tower, and they
receive 50% off of their monthly service fees.

Does anyone have a contract that would cover part or all of
what was stated ? 

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RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]

2006-08-08 Thread Chadd Thompson
IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and
installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where
it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own
pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be
able to hook up to a WISP.


Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access.

Thanks,
Chadd

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 Don't forget the 3rd great lie...I'm from the government and I'm
 here to help
 you

 :-)


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RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems

2006-02-20 Thread Chadd Thompson








FYI the moto price is for the light
version of client, Limited to 512K throughput.















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What QTY is that pricing at? 100 Pack?





Mike Bushard, Jr

Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC











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I was told $290 for 900 gear by trango and it might be out by the
middle to end of April.











Double radius told me 212.50 for Moto 900 cpe available by the end of
March.











Guess we'll have to wait and see.







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Tranzeo announced at EC-Expo that they will have a 900mhz CPE/AP 
combination available sometime in the second quarter of 2006. They are 
currently beta testing on their own systems in Canada right now. Didn't 
hear a price quote, but knowing how efficient Tranzeo is, I'm guessing 
it will be under $350 in 20 pack quantities.

FWIW, I heard several reports from different people that the SR9 miniPCI 
900mhz card is vaporware, and it is going to be six months or more 
before it will be readily available.

Matt Larsen
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Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 Read the title of the thread, (hint, hint) :) Wishful thinking, but 
 no. No 900mhz $150 CPE.

 Jeff Sullivan wrote:

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 but that sub $300 CPE that a Trango told me about last August
never 
 showed up. So I guess I move on

 Brian

 It did.. Only at $150!!!




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RE: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions?

2006-01-31 Thread Chadd Thompson
Matt,

Thanks for the information. Have you used this sort of setup in an
outdoor environment? If so did you have to control the temp for it to work
ok?

Thanks,
Chadd

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 Here is an example:
 
 Here is the list of parts.
 *BIOSTAR M7VIZ Socket A (Socket 462) VIA KM400 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
 - Retail   *  *$46.49*
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138231
 
 *AMD Sempron 2200+ Thoroughbred 333MHz FSB 256KB L2 Cache Socket A
 Processor - Retail  *  *$78.99*
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819104208
 
 *Rosewill 256MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 333 (PC 2700) System
 Memory - Retail*   *$24.30*
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820223035
 
 *PW-60A 100W 12V DC-DC ATX Converter *
*$45.00*
 http://idotpc.com/TheStore/Peripheral/case/Default_ps_itx.asp?Cate.id=14
 
 *Total Cost (minus DOM)
 $194.78
 
 After you add miniPCI adapters, it is about the cost of a WAR board, but
 with a lot more processing power.
 
 Matt Larsen
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RE: [WISPA] Canopy Lite

2006-01-30 Thread Chadd Thompson
From what I have read they are not fully upgradeable because there are some
hardware differences between the light and the normal units. 

I also remember reading that you have to have the advantage AP to use the
light versions of SU's.

Chadd

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I've read that.  Does anyone know if a lite SM is fully upgradeable to 
a regular one?

Dylan Oliver wrote:


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[WISPA] FM tower co-location

2006-01-24 Thread Chadd Thompson
Curious if anyone here has co-located on an FM tower? If so care to share
your experiences?

Thanks,
Chadd
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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread Chadd Thompson
We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary
evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on
and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor
is fairly high in 5.x around here. 

It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the time
and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution that
does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the
spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. 

Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had two
competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS and
we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly over
the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps
plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot about us
and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do what
it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind sticking
with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as
customers expect faster and faster connections.

It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get
calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service
based off of recommendations from their neighbors.

Thanks,
Chadd

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Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900
gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or
possibly 5.7 gear.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com



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RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
So who is going to beta test these bad boys? I already took my turn with the
link 10's and T900's

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Go to the web site, $149 CPE. 


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RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has
made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes.

I tend to remember the bad things more than the good.

WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom...

I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending
time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying
to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to
get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in
the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to
install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix
for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist.

I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water
and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with
the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was
a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again
only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be
installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them
about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month
later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they
could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a
tower because of this.

I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential
customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting
to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I
couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix.

I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on
longer cable runs and having to buy  new wall worts for some units.

I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would
properly work with the ethernet ports on the units.

I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units
causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an
issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas

I remember prices being jacked around.
The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going
to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them.

You know what even after all of this I still buy and deploy some Trango
equipment, but it burns me every time I buy more stuff from them. These
problems would have been much more tolerable if they would have been decent
to work with and not so arrogant about insisting they werent having
problems.

THE GOOD stuff!!!

I also remember setting up my first long BH 14 miles with a Link-10 and
seeing 8ms latency and advertised throughput on the link.

Hooking up a few dozen customers on T900 that I could never touch in the
past with 2.4 or 5.x. I also get better throughput, distance and latency
than with my Alvarion 900 customers, alvarion is a master and noise
avoidance though when compared to T900.

My link-10's just hum right along since the bugs were fixed. Besides the
condensation issue on the INT units.

I do think they are getting a bit better with regards to customer relations
though and their tech support department was very personable and willing to
help out last time I had to call them. So I hope this is a sign of things to
come from them.

I have been beating my head on the wall trying to figure out what equipment
I want to use for a few new POP's this year and admit it would be nice if
Trango pulled it together with a good line up of cost effective, feature
rich and most of all bug free equipment early this year to add to my list of
choices.

Sorry for the rambling
Chadd.


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I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in
shock.


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[WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
I am looking for some feedback on the following equipment and would like to
chat a bit with anyone willing to share your experience with it.

Mikrotik based AP/Clients/BH any band
StarOS based AP/Clients/BH any band
Demarctech AP/Clients/BH any band
Motorola Canopy any band
Trango 2.4
Waverider 900

Or any similar products besides Tranzeo and Smartbridges.

Thanks,
Chadd
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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
Our network is currently made up of

Raylink FHSS
Trango 900
Raylink/Brilan DSSS
Alvarion 900
Trango Link-10

All in all we have had pretty good luck with all of the above once the bugs
were worked out. The real workhorse of our network is Raylink FHSS but we
are starting to move away from it due to the bandwidth limitations of FHSS.
The raylink/brilan DSSS works fairly well but has some minor irritations
with regards to signal strength readouts and I am concerned about future
updates and upgrades from them.

The alvarion 900 works well but is a pain to install.

Trango 900 works well also but offers no indoor installation options and cpe
costs are still high.

We are going to be setting up a few new pops this year and I would like to
try out some new equipment, hopefully something that would work out well
enough to use for upgrading our existing network as time goes by.

I have looked into MT and StarOS due to the ability to be able to keep the
equipment upgraded with software updates and if needed completely replace
the software in the future using the same hardware. I also like the thought
of having one platform that I could use for 2.4, 5.x and 900 in the future.
What I am worried about is going through the hassle of building out all the
CPE's keeping the software up to date and the cost is not all that great. I
also want something that is aesthetically pleasing, rootennas are not all
that attractive. I am also looking for something to put up and forget about.

Demarc stuff looks pretty nice and the price is not bad but I had heard of
some reliability issues in the past, they may have all been taken care of by
now though. I also had a hard time getting a hold of anyone there in the
past when I was considering making a purchase. This may have changed also
its been a while since I called.

Canopy looks attractive do to the one brand all bands and the pricing is
tolerable. I am not sure I like being stuck with Vert polarity, its noisy
here and it kind of scares me going with proprietary equipment.

The Trango 2.4, not really sure why I put this down because it really
doesn't seem competitive cost wise. I am interested in what type of
performance people are getting out of them though and how they are doing in
noisy environments. The 900 is not all that great when it is noisy in my
experience.

I am interested in the waverider for one particular residential area that
would be very nice to have a preconfigured radio for someone to pick up and
do a self install indoors. Getting rid of a truck roll and having to have
something on the outside of the home.

Also looking for a backhaul to try besides the link-10 from trango. Would
like to find something in the 5.8 band with similar throughputand latency of
trango for the same or less $$. This is another reason I thought about MT,
StarOs, Demarc stuff was for multiple radios on the same board so the AP and
BH could be the same piece of hardware and software.

Just looking for some comments in general about the different options and
why you did/didn't pick one over the other.

Thanks,
Chadd


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What are you using now? What are you trying to accomplish? The first 3
you list are all 802.11a/b/g the last 3 are all proprietary. There are
people on this list for every different system you just described, not
sure how many people have used them all. I have used StarOS, Mikrotik,
and Motorola 5.7 and 2.4




Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com



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RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
Who sells dual band antennas? That could save some money on tower space and
simplify some installations.

Thanks,
Chadd

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.  However, I am aware of many successfuly
using 2.4 and 5.8 from the same antenna.


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RE: [WISPA] Attempted hack, what would you do?

2006-01-12 Thread Chadd Thompson
Happens every day on our network. I get about 500 to 1000 hits a day on our
servers/router logs of ppl port scanning and or running log in scripts
trying to crack a username/pass. I have only turned a few in to thier ISP's
abuse address and never heard anything from it except for a canned message
here and there. Doesn't seem like anyone cares. Most hack attempts come from
SBC DSL or china it seems.

As far as I know I have only been hacked once, and it was my own fault. I
had a FreeBSD box that I was doing some testing on and I forgot about it and
left it on the Public side of the network. I had set up a user account with
the same username and Pass.Well someone ran a script on it and got in the
server. I didn't realize it until my MRTG router graph went crazy for a day
with a large amount of traffic. I tracked it down to the box I forgot about
and figured out what happened. They were uploading a bunch of stuff to the
box through FTP. I did turn them into thier ISP but never heard anything
from it.

Chadd

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Theoretically, if someone attempted to hack into your network via your
router, say at least ten times, what would you do?
If you could identify this culprit via logs and IP addresses, where you had
them dead to rights, what would you do?

~V~

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RE: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices

2005-12-13 Thread Chadd Thompson








Where are you getting those prices and in
what quantities?



Thanks,

Chadd











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Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz
and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;)

Travis
Microserv









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