[WISPA] ADI's open Architecture system

2007-06-12 Thread Dawn DiPietro




The thing that's screwing us all up with MT, StarOS and others like 
that is that they don't have ANY certified systems available to us.


I guess you missed my post last week about ADI Engineering.
They have a certified system that works with Star OS. This was just 
release a few weeks ago.


http://www.adiengineering.com/products/data/FCC-Whitepaper-R100.pdf
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Re: [WISPA] ADI's open Architecture system

2007-06-12 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Rick,

Yes, they would like to work with Mikrotik.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Smith, Rick wrote:

Right.

And I hear a rumor that they're doing the same with Mikrotik.

Before I make any more comments, I want to see an RB600 in my hands.

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The thing that's screwing us all up with MT, StarOS and others like 
that is that they don't have ANY certified systems available to us.



I guess you missed my post last week about ADI Engineering.
They have a certified system that works with Star OS. This was just 
release a few weeks ago.


http://www.adiengineering.com/products/data/FCC-Whitepaper-R100.pdf
  


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Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

2007-06-12 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mike,

What Marlon said IS NOT OPINION. The only way you can be legal is to 
certify a system as a whole. You might want to take a look at the ADI 
link I posted and maybe this will help you understand what is required 
to become certified. You must have all the components certified together.


Is it that I keep misunderstanding what you are trying to say? But I 
feel like this has been discussed before in no uncertain terms.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Mike Hammett wrote:
So you're saying (in your opinion, not necessarily any bearing on what 
the FCC actually requires) when we have certified SBCs, we'd be able 
to go that route?  Those that are running a certified radio with no 
amp (who uses that garbage anymore) into an antenna with equal or 
lower gain on a PC based system run a good chance of being legal?



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- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble



It works like this Doug.

A radio card is an intentional radiator.  Under part 15 rules it can 
only be sold as a part of a certified system.  That means if you put 
the radio card in a computer and it's designed to be used in a 
computer either with it's own built in antenna or the antenna build 
into the computer that's ok.  As long as it's CERTIFIED that way.


If you take that same card, hook a pigtail to it and put an amp on 
it. You are out of compliance.  If you put an antenna larger than the 
one certified, you are out of compliance.  If you put a different 
type of antenna than it was certified with (yagi to grid or panel to 
omni etc.) you are out of compliance.


The thing that's screwing us all up with MT, StarOS and others like 
that is that they don't have ANY certified systems available to us.


And, if you look on LEGAL computer boards, even though they are 
UN-intentional radiators, they will have an FCC certification on 
them. Many of the war board type devices don't have that FCC logo on 
them.


Yes the rule is silly.  Yes it's widely ignored, even by the FCC.  
No, uncertified systems don't seem to be a problem in the real world.


However, do YOU want to take a chance on having YOUR customers go 
dark because you want to ignore the rules?  Do you really want to 
give your competition that much ammunition against you?


I have the contacts, forms to fill out etc. just waiting for me to 
get the time to take this issue on as part of the FCC committee's 
job.  We have basically no FCC committee though.  The principal 
membership doesn't seem to be all that interested in anything other 
than whining about the work that other people do.  No one wants to 
step up and take on the hard issues.


When I get done with the CALEA work (that's costing me 2 to 4 hours 
per DAY and others are working harder than I am) I'll write up a 
petition to get this certified system rule changed.  Ideally I'd like 
to get a real pro installer mechanism in place so that joe q public 
still has to buy certified systems, but we could just buy certified 
components.


Or, if anyone would like to take this issue on, I've got a bit of a 
road map and some basic language worked out already :-).


In the mean time, run an honest legal business as much as you 
possibly can.


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Babble


But the base product, the computer does not start life as an 
intentional

radiator.  So at what point does a FCC certified computer become an
intentional radiator as a whole?

When you add a wireless card?  That would land Dell, HP and Compaq 
in a load
of trouble.  But alas, is a FCC certified Netgear card, any 
different than

an FCC certified Ubiquiti card when used with the certified antennas?

I'm NOT talking about marketing these as products as a vendor, I'm 
talking
about USING these computers, with wireless cards installed in them 
after the

sale.

I don't see how page 78 and on reference a computer becoming an 
intentional
radiator?  At the beginning of the day, you have a motherboard and 
power
supply, which become a Personal Computer.  At the end of the day, 
you add

a wireless card and antenna which makes it what then?

Calling a Cisco Aironet a PC or vice versa doesn't make sense.  Cisco
Aironet=Intentional Radiator, PC=Unintentional Radiator.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 7:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

Sam,

Since some here feel I have no credibility because I no longer run a
WISP I will let you decide from this information provided.

Starting on page 78 of the following link should explain why the
wireless devices in question cannot

Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

2007-06-12 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mike,

That post was looking for clarification on whether or not it was 
possible it would make this legal without going through system 
certification as an intentional radiator. Since the FCC wording can be 
mind boggling sometimes there is confusion. In other words you cannot 
take certified parts and use them together and expect to be legal no 
matter how anyone tries to justify it. I am glad to see that you do 
understand. ;-)


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro






Mike Hammett wrote:
I understood that was the way it was until perhaps yesterday when 
someone brought up the issue of PC's with add in wireless cards being 
in no way different than what we do.



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- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble



Mike,

What Marlon said IS NOT OPINION. The only way you can be legal is to 
certify a system as a whole. You might want to take a look at the ADI 
link I posted and maybe this will help you understand what is 
required to become certified. You must have all the components 
certified together.


Is it that I keep misunderstanding what you are trying to say? But I 
feel like this has been discussed before in no uncertain terms.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Mike Hammett wrote:
So you're saying (in your opinion, not necessarily any bearing on 
what the FCC actually requires) when we have certified SBCs, we'd be 
able to go that route?  Those that are running a certified radio 
with no amp (who uses that garbage anymore) into an antenna with 
equal or lower gain on a PC based system run a good chance of being 
legal?



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- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble



It works like this Doug.

A radio card is an intentional radiator.  Under part 15 rules it 
can only be sold as a part of a certified system.  That means if 
you put the radio card in a computer and it's designed to be used 
in a computer either with it's own built in antenna or the antenna 
build into the computer that's ok.  As long as it's CERTIFIED that 
way.


If you take that same card, hook a pigtail to it and put an amp on 
it. You are out of compliance.  If you put an antenna larger than 
the one certified, you are out of compliance.  If you put a 
different type of antenna than it was certified with (yagi to grid 
or panel to omni etc.) you are out of compliance.


The thing that's screwing us all up with MT, StarOS and others like 
that is that they don't have ANY certified systems available to us.


And, if you look on LEGAL computer boards, even though they are 
UN-intentional radiators, they will have an FCC certification on 
them. Many of the war board type devices don't have that FCC logo 
on them.


Yes the rule is silly.  Yes it's widely ignored, even by the FCC.  
No, uncertified systems don't seem to be a problem in the real world.


However, do YOU want to take a chance on having YOUR customers go 
dark because you want to ignore the rules?  Do you really want to 
give your competition that much ammunition against you?


I have the contacts, forms to fill out etc. just waiting for me to 
get the time to take this issue on as part of the FCC committee's 
job.  We have basically no FCC committee though.  The principal 
membership doesn't seem to be all that interested in anything other 
than whining about the work that other people do.  No one wants to 
step up and take on the hard issues.


When I get done with the CALEA work (that's costing me 2 to 4 hours 
per DAY and others are working harder than I am) I'll write up 
a petition to get this certified system rule changed.  Ideally I'd 
like to get a real pro installer mechanism in place so that joe q 
public still has to buy certified systems, but we could just buy 
certified components.


Or, if anyone would like to take this issue on, I've got a bit of a 
road map and some basic language worked out already :-).


In the mean time, run an honest legal business as much as you 
possibly can.


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Babble


But the base product, the computer does not start life as an 
intentional

radiator.  So at what point does a FCC certified computer become an
intentional radiator as a whole?

When you add a wireless card?  That would land Dell, HP and Compaq 
in a load
of trouble.  But alas, is a FCC certified Netgear card, any 
different than

an FCC certified Ubiquiti card when used with the certified antennas?

I'm NOT talking about marketing these as products as a vendor, I'm 
talking
about

Re: [WISPA] ADI's open Architecture system

2007-06-12 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mike,

As quoted from the white paper;


Software Requirements for Compliance
The only requirement our FCC approval places on software is to “hard 
code” the transmit power control
settings and channel selection options so that they always conform to 
the FCC certified limits. There must not
be any way to configure the system to operate above the certified 
power levels or channel settings. Any

software can be run on the unit provided it meets this requirement.


ADI is accomplishing the power and channel hard coding with the 
cooperation of our commercial WISP and
municipal wireless software partners – RoamAD, Valemount Networks, 
Antcor, and others. These partners will
be providing a Pronghorn Metro™ FCC compliant code build that sets 
power and channel selections correctly.
ADI is also underway developing an FCC compliance capability for 
MadWiFi. This will provide a clear path
forward to FCC compliance to customers creating their own software 
based on MadWiFi.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Mike Hammett wrote:
I see nothing about it that would fix it to Star OS, unless the IXP425 
is not x86.



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- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [WISPA] ADI's open Architecture system






The thing that's screwing us all up with MT, StarOS and others like 
that is that they don't have ANY certified systems available to us.


I guess you missed my post last week about ADI Engineering.
They have a certified system that works with Star OS. This was just 
release a few weeks ago.


http://www.adiengineering.com/products/data/FCC-Whitepaper-R100.pdf
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[WISPA] Good Luck to all.

2007-06-12 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

Some on this list have felt it important to steer the discussion towards 
personal attacks and try to discredit me anytime I want to discuss how 
the rules and regulations affect this industry as a whole. My only 
agenda is to help others to understand how they can become compliant and 
do my best to explain how to read the rules set forth by the 
authorities. Since there is a lack of appreciation for my posts I feel I 
need to move on to a more professional venue. Good luck with all your 
future endeavors.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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[WISPA] We Win Again On 3605-3700 MHz. So What Does It Mean?

2007-06-11 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

Below is another educated opinion on what 3650 could mean to the 
wireless industry. Click the link at the bottom to read the full story.


Back in 2004-05, a bunch of us fought to open up the 3650-3700 MHz 
band for unlicensed use (Sometimes refered to as 3.65 GHz rather than 
3650 MHz). While we did not get “pure” unlicensed, the FCC's “hybrid 
unlicensed” regime gave us pretty much everything we wanted.


In August 2005, a group of tech firms led by Intel filed a Petition 
for Reconsideration. This group, which I dubbed the “WiMax Posse,” 
wanted the Commission to reverse itself and optimize the band for 
WiMax operations. Notably, this meant adopting a licensing regime 
instead of the open spectrum rules we won in March 2005.


By this time, Powell had left and been replaced with Kevin Martin. 
Martin had earned the eternal scorn of Netheads by deregulating DSL 
(actually a process begun by Powell). And, unlike Powell, Martin had 
no record of support for open spectrum. So even though the WiMax Posse 
and the various licensed wireless providers who came in to support 
them raised no new arguments, no one knew whether Martin would 
reaffirm the 2005 rules or side with the licensed spectrum/WiMax posse.


So I let out a huge sigh of relief and felt a modest sense of 
accomplishment when the FCC issued an Order denying the WiMax Posse 
Recon Petition and basically reaffirming our March 2005 win. 
Commissioner Adelstein had a very nice concurring statement 
highlighting the important roll played by WISPs and Community Wireless 
Networks (CWNs) in getting wireless connectivity to rural and 
underserved urban communities.


So what does this mean for wireless deployment for WISPs, CWNs, and 
muni systems? How do I read the FCC tea leaves in light of last 
month's FCC decision terminating two important open spectrum 
proceedings? See below . . . .


Link for full story;
http://www.wetmachine.com/totsf/item/818

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

2007-06-11 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

I have come to the conclusion that there are some on this list that 
think FCC certification is up for debate. There may be a need for 
clarification in some cases but like it or not the FCC has the final say 
in what can and cannot be certified.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

2007-06-11 Thread Dawn DiPietro

George,

As I said in my post wireless providers do not get to decide what has to 
be certified this is up to the FCC and if there are any questions they 
need to be clarified not argued against which seems to be the norm among 
some on this list.


How would the number of customers I had on my network have any bearing 
on this discussion?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


George Rogato wrote:

Dawn,

Just how many wisp customers did you have in your short career as a wisp?

Why is it that some people who don't actually participate in running a 
wireless service want to come in and try to tell us how to run our wisps?






Dawn DiPietro wrote:

All,

I have come to the conclusion that there are some on this list that 
think FCC certification is up for debate. There may be a need for 
clarification in some cases but like it or not the FCC has the final 
say in what can and cannot be certified.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro




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Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

2007-06-11 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Sam,

Since some here feel I have no credibility because I no longer run a 
WISP I will let you decide from this information provided.


Starting on page 78 of the following link should explain why the 
wireless devices in question cannot be certified as computers.

http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/rules/part15/part15-2-16-06.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Sam Tetherow wrote:
I think the question that really hasn't been answered is if a RB can 
be certified class B and then use a certified radio/antenna combo as 
is allowed with a PC/laptop.
And you are right that then FCC makes the rules.  What is not clear is 
that Dawn's (and others) position that the component rules can not 
apply to an RB or other SBC.  The only people that can clarify this is 
the FCC.


As for FCC certification in general, I think there are two major 
factors that come into play with uncertified gear.  There are several 
that deployed  the equipment under the false impression that it was 
legal because they complied with the EIRP rules (and many still 
persist in this belief).
The other is the simple fact that no one has been fined, to my 
knowledge, for using uncertified gear.  There have been instances of 
people that have been fined for using over EIRP and unauthorized use 
of licensed bands.


If the FCC has not fined for the behavior yet and has made unofficial 
statements to the effect that they are more worried about EIRP and 
477, it comes as no surprise that people will not follow the law.  As 
you pointed out most people regularly break the speed limit, which is 
a law with an associated fine but they continue to do so because the 
fine is not large enough or incurred often enough to make it an 
effective deterrent.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:
This has become a ridiculous thread. Dawn's customer experience is 
irrelevant in this case. Plenty of operators who have lots of 
customers (including me) understand and agree with the position 
presented. Don't kill the messenger! The FCC makes the rules; not 
Dawn or me or any of the other folks who have made accurate 
statements regarding certification. Use of certified equipment is 
required by law. Many people break laws for a variety of reasons, but 
that doesn't change the law. For example, everyday I drive over the 
speed limit and occasionally I am fined for doing so.


-Matt





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Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

2007-06-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mike,

If this is what you think I am trying to do then you are sorely 
mistaken. I just don't want others to think that if there is any 
Mikrotik FCC Certified System in the works then all Mikrotik systems are 
legal in any way shape or form. Which is what I took you to say with 
your statement. If I am wrong in that interpretation then I apologize.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Mike Hammett wrote:
I...I give up talking to you.  You take what I say and twist it 
horribly as if I am some renegade pioneer of MT.



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- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble



Mike,

This does not make everyone using a Mikrotik system legal though. It 
is not just as easy as saying I use the same components in my system 
as the one certified so I am legal. In case you are unaware, this 
would also include the enclosure and the power supply even then you 
still need the documentation from the entity that certified the 
system. The system must be exactly the same soup to nuts.


Again for you to say that an FCC Certified Mikrotik System would make 
any Mikrotik legality a non issue is an unreasonable statement.


Below is a link that might be helpful;
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Mike Hammett wrote:

Well, it will be a non issue because there will be certified option.


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- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mike,

That is a big IF there. As I said before I don't see that every 
single hardware configuration deployed using Mikrotik will be 
covered. So to say that Mikrotik FCC System Certification will be a 
non issue is not a reasonable statement to make.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Mike Hammett wrote:
IIRC, if everything is the same, you can label it as containing X, 
Y, Z and be compliant.



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Ralph,

I have to agree that even if there is a certified system in the 
works this will not make ALL Mikrotik installations certified. 
There will most likely be some uncertified gear left in the field 
as I don't believe that some wireless providers will rip out 
there existing hardware to comply with system certification. I 
also don't think it will be a non issue anytime soon.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Ralph wrote:
I am aware that there was talk of that and maybe even a business 
in the
works around it, but it is too early to say that in any certain 
time frame
it will be a non-issue... Unless you are making an announcement 
(or someone
is).  And I highly doubt certification will be retroactive to 
whatever
roo-tenna or tupperware box or whatever that people have been 
making

systems out of prior to then.

Don't get me wrong- I will be GLAD to see someone get MT certified.

Ralph


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Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:13 PM
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Ralph,

I think there is a committee gathering information on the most 
common hardware configurations to get something certified for 
Mikrotik.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Ralph wrote:


Why do you say this?

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Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM
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today..


 Within a few months the whole MT certified system will
be a non-issue.


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Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

2007-06-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Doug,

You have to certify the system as a whole INCLUDING THE ENCLOSURE and 
the power supply and you cannot deviate from the configuration that was 
certified.
This cannot be compared to a PC because that is a different 
certification. PC's are unintentional radiators the systems in question 
are intentional radiators.


Here is the link for more info on Modular Transmitters;
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf

Here is a link to ADI and their certified system;
http://www.adiengineering.com/products/data/FCC-Whitepaper-R100.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Doug Ratcliffe wrote:

I found the FCC document regarding the modular certifications.  If Mikrotik
would submit (or someone submitted on their behalf, for them) their boards
and representative power supplies, for FCC testing, and passed (no
peripheral cards, they are SEPARATELY tested for FCC compliance by the
manufacturer, it's in this document), they would become PCs and fall under
the 1996 FCC order listed below.  If we used VIA, or any number of already
modular certified FCC motherboards, it would all fall under this order.  


Cases are not FCC certified only motherboards, peripherals and power
supplies.  So take a motherboard, power supply and a peripheral wireless
card, put it into a NEMA enclosure, add an antenna that's certified for use
with that wireless card.  How is that not FCC legal?

It mentions an FCC DoC sticker some of us may be familiar with:

Trade NameModel Number
FCC Assembled from 
   Tested Components

(Complete System Not Tested)

I have a Compaq Presario 5100NX, Dell Dimension 8100 and Dimension 2400 in
my repair department right now, NO FCC stickers on the cases.  


Part 15 as of May 4, 2007:
http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/rules/part15/part15-5-4-07.pdf

Listed on these pages:
Page 12-15: Regarding labelling for Declaration of Conformity, home-build
and kit computers.
Page 28 - Section 15.101 Equipment authorization of unintentional radiators.

See type of device, class B personal computers and peripherals:  Declaration
of Conformity.
Page 29 subsections C and D - Personal Computers shall be authorized in
accordance with one of the following methods

And of course, on page 86 the very vague modular transmitter section
regarding unique antenna connectors, shielded RF components (I believe
Ubiquity has cards like this).

I did a search in this document for the following words:
operating system 0 results.
software 2 results - neither of which have to do with operating systems.

Maybe this will be dismissed as a bad interpretation, but Mikrotik looks
suspiciously like a PC operating system, much like Windows or Linux.  Not a
modular transmitter device like an AP.  I can put a CD in my home computer
and load Mikrotik on it.  So how is the device a Mikrotik OS runs on not
considered a PC?

Just some food for thought; with the information that backs it up right from
the FCC site.



  


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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..

2007-06-09 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Ralph,

I think there is a committee gathering information on the most common 
hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Ralph wrote:

Why do you say this?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM
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 Within a few months the whole MT certified system will 
be a non-issue.



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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..

2007-06-09 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Ralph,

I have to agree that even if there is a certified system in the works 
this will not make ALL Mikrotik installations certified. There will most 
likely be some uncertified gear left in the field as I don't believe 
that some wireless providers will rip out there existing hardware to 
comply with system certification. I also don't think it will be a non 
issue anytime soon.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Ralph wrote:

I am aware that there was talk of that and maybe even a business in the
works around it, but it is too early to say that in any certain time frame
it will be a non-issue... Unless you are making an announcement (or someone
is).  And I highly doubt certification will be retroactive to whatever
roo-tenna or tupperware box or whatever that people have been making
systems out of prior to then.

Don't get me wrong- I will be GLAD to see someone get MT certified.

Ralph


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Ralph,

I think there is a committee gathering information on the most common 
hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Ralph wrote:
  

Why do you say this?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM
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 Within a few months the whole MT certified system will
be a non-issue.


-
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..

2007-06-09 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mike,

That is a big IF there. As I said before I don't see that every single 
hardware configuration deployed using Mikrotik will be covered. So to 
say that Mikrotik FCC System Certification will be a non issue is not a 
reasonable statement to make.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Mike Hammett wrote:
IIRC, if everything is the same, you can label it as containing X, Y, 
Z and be compliant.



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- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ralph,

I have to agree that even if there is a certified system in the works 
this will not make ALL Mikrotik installations certified. There will 
most likely be some uncertified gear left in the field as I don't 
believe that some wireless providers will rip out there existing 
hardware to comply with system certification. I also don't think it 
will be a non issue anytime soon.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Ralph wrote:

I am aware that there was talk of that and maybe even a business in the
works around it, but it is too early to say that in any certain time 
frame
it will be a non-issue... Unless you are making an announcement (or 
someone

is).  And I highly doubt certification will be retroactive to whatever
roo-tenna or tupperware box or whatever that people have been making
systems out of prior to then.

Don't get me wrong- I will be GLAD to see someone get MT certified.

Ralph


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:13 PM
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Ralph,

I think there is a committee gathering information on the most 
common hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Ralph wrote:


Why do you say this?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett

Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..

 Within a few months the whole MT certified system will
be a non-issue.


-
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[WISPA] ADI Metro FCC Certified System

2007-06-08 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

I had the pleasure of meeting with the ADI Engineering Sales team at 
Muniwireless in Boston this past week and picked up some documentation 
on the FCC Certified System they offer.


Here is a link to their whitepaper.
http://www.adiengineering.com/products/data/FCC-Whitepaper-R100.pdf

I hope this clears up any confusion there might be about this system.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


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Re: [WISPA] How can this be?

2007-06-07 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

Please explain how the information on this website contradicts either of 
those 2 thoughts.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

http://www.internettrafficreport.com/

I thought America was running behind the rest of the world in broadband!

And I thought most of Asia was wired with ftth and the latest in 
wireless technologies!


What gives?

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-06-01 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Sam,

My guess is these areas will be sold off to the smaller regional 
companies with less overhead or they will muscle the states into footing 
the bill. As someone once said No one wants to be in office when the 
copper networks go dark.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Sam Tetherow wrote:
I don't deny any of that, but I'd be pretty pissed as a telco customer 
if they are allowed to pull out of those areas.  A very large amount 
of money has been funneled through the USF program so that voice lines 
are available in the hinterlands.


How many millions of USF dollars has Verizon pulled out of their 
Northern New England customers?  I would be very willing to bet that 
it is significantly more than they have spent on maintaining the 
copper to those customers.


Yes the rural areas a losing money which is why the USF existed in the 
first place, someone decided that all telco customers should fund 
voice to every home regardless of its economic viability.  Right or 
wrong, that was the deal they signed on for, they have taken the money 
for this long but now when they are having to make sizable 
reinvestment they are trying to weasel their way out of it.


However, the real point of my reply on the email was that some 
customers are still more economically served via copper rather than 
wireless.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

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Re: [WISPA] ISPCON

2007-05-31 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Chuck,

Talking about the ISP-CEO session publicly is a no no. Even on the WISPA 
Members list.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

Tom.
I'm very interested in hearing  any 'wows' from the CEO meeting. If you have
time to post to the members list I'm sure I  wouldn't be alone in my
interest. As I said before, I thought that was the best part of ISPCON in
Santa Clara.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California



-Original Message-
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Peter,

Unfortuneately, I missed all but two sessions. Darn management duties, can't

escape them even in FL :-(
Its was a shame because their was a great line up of sessions on the 
dockett, good business and marking type stuff, such as yours.


What I liked best was the Luncheon Topic Tables. Not much beats sitting head

to head with a group of smart people on a common topic of interest.

The big WOW for me was the knowledge learned from other attendees. It was 
interesting to hear what they found interesting.
Its neat to watch the evolution.  Guys I may have helped two or three years 
ago, now with more experience under their belt than then, bringing back new 
insight from their perspective.

Everyone has something of value to offer and something to learn. So my point

is, the WOW may not be a Product or a Topic, but People in general.

From a product perspective, there were a couple of neat new products. I 
really liked the Remote Backup Software provider, where the model is, you 
sell the software to the client, and then the ISP Server software is free, 
and ISPs can host the Backup Storage on their own network and own servers 
for better controlled costs.  The software paid attention to compression 
best practices to use the least possible amount of bandwidth, and used the 
processing power of the end user's PC to do it.  My mind is drawing a blank 
on the Company Name, at the moment.  A couple neat VOIP SoftSwitch and Hard 
Switch products on display.


The truth is, I'm not sure I came back with any really big WOWs. I had a 
whole bunch of little WOWs. :-)

But that could be because I missed most of the sessions.
The CEO session of course is always great, but don't think appropriate to 
discuss those topics on an open list, so no comment on specifics.


Show was a great success, for me.

Peter, Did you get a WOW?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:39 AM
Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON


  
I was wondering if anyone had a WOW from the show.  (Besides the side trip 
to Daytona, that is :)


A copy of my slides can be seen at slideshare.net/4isps/.
(We didn't use the slides. We just banged out 60+ nuggets of business 
wisdom in the time slot. One of my clients sent me the list; you can read 
it here:  http://marketingideaguy.com/news/50-ideas-in-50-minutes-ispcon)

Next week, I will have a conference call to recap these and ISPCON.
Email me to join in.

Start planning for ISPCON in San Jose on October 16-18.

Regards,

Peter Radizeski
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com


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Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

2007-05-31 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Sam,

It's the rural areas that are affected when it comes to the copper 
network. As I understand it, the original purpose of  the USF was to 
help pay for the rural areas, otherwise there would be no copper there 
to begin with. If the urban areas are losing landlines by the droves 
there is no surplus to help pay for the rural areas either. There are 
too many miles of copper and not enough customers to pay for it in these 
areas. Why do you think Verizon is selling off huge parts of their 
telephone network in Northern New England?


It is not that these people have not personally been there it is the 
fact that rural areas are losing money no matter how you look at it. I 
know it still costs a fortune to get bandwidth in these areas but that 
is not going to make up for how much money is being lost to maintain the 
copper.


If any of my facts are wrong I am sure someone will correct me. ;-)

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Sam Tetherow wrote:
Hmm, I'll take that bet.  People that make these types of claims 
obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 
miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting 
off the beaten path to individuals homes.  Some times it really is 
more economical to string copper than put up towers.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

George Rogato wrote:

Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013


“By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so 
we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant 
will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and 
operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a 
huge problem for ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as 
well.”


http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/





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[WISPA] Joost and your network.

2007-05-29 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

Here is an interesting blog post you all might want to read.
http://www.last100.com/2007/05/28/will-isps-spoil-the-online-video-party/

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


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Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network.

2007-05-29 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

Talk about missing the point...The reality is that customer perception 
is important and if one advertises unlimited then the customer expects 
unlimited. These apps might impact customer satisfaction with your 
service and they will go elsewhere if they feel they are not getting the 
unlimited service they think they signed up for. At this point only time 
will tell how important such apps are to your customers. If one limits 
peer to peer traffic then these video on demand services will not work 
and since there is no way to tell if the content is legit or not it 
leaves the ISP between a rock and a hard place. The mis perception that 
all peer to peer traffic is illegal is one that has to be dealt with 
sooner or later. Looks to me like these apps might make it sooner. ;-)


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Mike Hammett wrote:
I think this was mainly attacking the Comcast, Verizon, ATT, etc. of 
the world.  We'd fit into the category of small ISP filling in the 
blanks.



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- Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network.



Talk about a biased view, (while we wait for Telcos or companies like
Google to build out the next-generation networks) get real.

make sure you're not on an ISP that treats you like dirty rotten 
thieving

scum
Yeah, well we all have those users, If it looks like a duck, walks 
like a

duck, and sounds like a duck..

But what about those who (like me) pay more for 'unlimited' broadband
access? There shouldn't be a problem, right? Wrong.

Thats why you can pay for an account with a CIR of 1.5Mbit at 
$400-$500 a

month or a 4Mbit account thats best effort for $40-$50 a month.

Z

On 5/29/07, Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


All,

Here is an interesting blog post you all might want to read.
http://www.last100.com/2007/05/28/will-isps-spoil-the-online-video-party/ 



Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


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[WISPA] Hardware options

2007-05-28 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

Here are some hardware options you might want to look into if you have 
not done so already.


http://wavion.net/product/WS410_datasheet.pdf
http://gonetworks.com/page.asp?prmID=467

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


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Re: [WISPA] Interesting RUS info

2007-05-27 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

I decided to dig deeper into the new RUS Proposed Rule changes and think 
this is something we should all read and comment on since this affects 
all of us.


Follow the link for more info on how to comment and read the document in 
question.

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main?main=DocumentDetaild=RUS-06-Agency-0052-0001

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Look and see who is moving into your community:

 


http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/SearchTabs.aspx

 


The interesting text is located here:

http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/broadband-search.htm

 


Special Note to Potential Loan Applicants: Potential applicants should note
that Rural Development cannot provide funding to another entity for
communities associated with approved applications and that communities
associated with pending applications are restricted until a lending decision
is reached on the pending application. In addition, Rural Development cannot
provide funding to an additional entity for towns where the Agency has an
active Telecom borrower providing broadband service. For active Telecom
borrowers see: http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom
http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/index.htm .

 


This locks me out of getting funding from RUS for towns that have already
been claimed by RUS loan applicants.. So much for competition?!

 


Does this lock you out of competition as well?

 


ryan
  


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[WISPA] Frontline this week

2007-05-14 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Anyone else going to watch this one?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/
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Re: [WISPA] Frontline this week

2007-05-14 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

I guess you are right. With all the bad decisions I have made recently 
as to what is appropriate to post here I am in need of a short vacation 
from the list.

Maybe I will see some of you around.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Jeff Broadwick wrote:

Yup,

Don't go there, or this will turn into a political argument.  


Jeff
 


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:38 AM
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Dawn,

  That's like poking a big fat rattle snake with a short stick! :-)

Someone is going to get bit.


Mac 





  

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Anyone else going to watch this one?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/
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Re: [WISPA] CLEC Services

2007-05-13 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

The way the ILEC's look at it, they put the infrastructure in place and 
to have CLEC's profit from it would not be in their best interest since 
the CLEC would be using these same lines the ILECs could potentially get 
retail for. Whether the ILEC would actually provide these services is an 
argument for another day. As I understand it, one of the advantages of 
getting CLEC status was to get better pricing, this is no longer the case.


I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. :-)

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

W.D.McKinney wrote:

The FCC has been influenced by changes in staff, Senate oversight, and the 
consolidation the Bell operating entities. Becoming a CLEC now is more 
streamlined than in the beginning, but depending on your PUC and competitive 
envirement, may still be expensive. As always, if you going to wage war, get 
counsel.

-Dee 


Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net



- Original Message -
From: Mac Dearman
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List'
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:33:45 -0800
Subject:
RE: [WISPA] CLEC Services


  

George,

  It sounds as if they are a start up CLEC and haven't had the time to
exactly figure out what is available to them and the costs associated with
the product offerings. I use to be in that same boat, but we finally figured
out that Bell South has nothing available in N. Louisiana other than a fiber
connection (the only one in this parish short of theirs) we paid for and
T1's. I am not kidding - - T1's are available, but you can't even get a PRI
short of Monroe. (30 miles west of here)It's a crying shame any portion of
this nation can be so technologically retarded compared to the rest of the
world.

  I have been playing with the idea of becoming a CLEEC myself. I know Bell
South has quizzed me on this with a lot of intensity. Makes me wonder what
the deal is!


Mac 







-Original Message-
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Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 7:37 PM
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I'm sure Peter can help, but I'm curious why the clec doesn't know these
things, aren't they a facilities based clec with interconection
agreement with the ilec?

George

Rick Harnish wrote:
  

Peter is no longer suspended and I agree with Mac!

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

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Subject: RE: [WISPA] CLEC Services

Doug,

  I can give you a name of a man who can take you by the hand and lead


you
  

through the wildness of the Telco maze as well as explain it to where


you
  

can understand it all. I can also tell you he is ABSOLUTELY worth more


than
  

he charges for consulting! His name is Peter Radizeski and he is member


on
  

the free WISPA list - - currently suspended for - - er...well, less


than
  

perfect list etiquette (hehehehehe)

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:42 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] CLEC Services

We have a CLEC who's co-located their offices with ours, and although
they're residential copper analog only, they told us they can order
anything
from the ILEC for us for cost and a small markup.  But it's Bellsouth
territory, and he's given me the tech line's phone number and a big
  

book
  

of
services, but I don't even know where to start.  I'm looking for prices
  

on
  

T1's, and also DSL I can sell private label with my own TOS.  I don't
  

want
  

to have any facilities to install at the CO, just use the CO's
  

equipment
  

under the CLEC's name but I don't even know what services to request.

Any ideas where to start?


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Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless

2007-05-11 Thread Dawn DiPietro
After rereading Mike's post I realized I was mistaken and apologized to 
the list.


Grenier, Craig wrote:

I hear ya.  It sounds great.  Don't feed the trolls =D

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless

What do you mean? I have been talking to him for two months about this. 
Where did you get that this is an ad? I asked him to post this message 
to get a feel for how WISPs would respond. He even sent it to me for 
review prior to sending it out here. I guess I am having trouble 
understanding why this would be considered an ad. They are looking for 
support for a declaratory ruling from the FCC on this matter. Mike would


like to see WISPA help him on this and I think we should at least 
consider this.

Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:

  

Sounds like an ad too. :-)


Jory Privett wrote:


Sounds like a great idea.  I only have one issue from what I read 
here, $500 per link seems high.  Most ISPs complain about the $250 
they pay now for CPEs.


Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - From: michael mulcay 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:23 PM
Subject: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless


  

Guys,

As we wireless operators know, the costs of licensed networks
(equipment, antennas and licensing) makes providing services to the
majority of subscribers prohibitively expensive, and the cost at 
auction

for spectrum (for WiMax and 4G products) is beyond the reach of most


of
  

us.

To overcome these problems, two years ago Wireless Strategies began
research into ways to use new technologies -- WiMAX and smart


antennas
  

-- to reuse side lobe radiation around sites of point-to-point 4GHz


and
  

6GHz microwave links under the present FCC rules and without causing
additional interference.

Our finding is that networks can be designed to operate with smart
antennas with distributed radiators and that the new paths can be
concurrently coordinated, under existing FCC rules and without


causing
  

additional interference.

We believe that concurrent coordination will be The Next Big Thing


in
  
Wireless, leveling the playing field by making it possible for 
WISPs to

obtain multipurpose licensed spectrum at pennies on the dollar


compared
  

to obtaining it at auction. By making use of the formerly wasted


side
  

lobe radiation of 4GHz and 6GHz paths, WISPs will be able to use


IEEE
  

802.16-based (WiMAX) equipment with small antennas to provide


licensed
  

broadband services to hundreds of additional subscribers at a
provisioning cost of only about $500 per link. We appreciate that


some
  

members of the industry may initially perceive any change to the


status
  

quo as a threat, but we believe that concurrent coordination will
provide extraordinary benefits to the entire industry, especially 
WISPs.


Due to the potential for unprecedented industry-wide changes from


the
  

use of antennas with distributed radiators to provide multiple-path
low-cost broadband services under the existing FCC rules, Wireless
Strategies decided to remove any uncertainty for investors and


service
  

providers by, on February 23, 2007, filing with the Federal
Communications Commission, a Request for a Declaratory Ruling on
Compliance of Fixed Microwave Antennas Having Distributed Radiating
Elements.

However, to date, the FCC has taken no action. We believe that 
emails of

support from the WISP community can help speed up the process, by
encouraging the FCC to either issue the requested declaratory ruling


or
  

to issue a Public Notice for industry comment.

Therefore, if you would like a copy of our FCC filing and/or 
information

about the new concept of concurrent coordination, please contact me


at
  

Wireless Strategies 831-659-5618 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] For
additional information you can also visit our web site at
www.wirelessstrategies.net.

Thanks,

Mike

Michael Mulcay, CEO
Wireless Strategies, Inc.

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[WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions

2007-05-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

I have been reading the WISPA CALEA FAQ and was a little concerned about 
question #10. If the LEA does not know who the suspect is using an open 
access point does this mean that everyone that has used that access 
point will have their data handed over to the LEA? It would seem that if 
the LEA is only allowed to receive the data requested in the subpoena 
this would be a violation.


As far as I can tell question #15 does not get answered in the paragraph 
following the question. It talks more about acceptable billing and the 
fact that WISPA might have a solution in the future.


One of the questions in section 23 asks Does the FBI speak for other 
LEA's?. Unless I am mistaken this question does not get answered.


Also the document says over and over again that the LEA's will work with 
WISP's, which sounds like there is no easy way this can always be done 
transparently with the current broadband equipment deployed by WISP's. 
So the workaround is the WISP should give them the all the data from the 
device in question and the LEA's will sort it out and separate it.


If I am out of line please let me know but if I have questions about the 
FAQ then I am guessing there are others that do too.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless

2007-05-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Sounds like an ad too. :-)


Jory Privett wrote:
Sounds like a great idea.  I only have one issue from what I read 
here, $500 per link seems high.  Most ISPs complain about the $250 
they pay now for CPEs.


Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - From: michael mulcay 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:23 PM
Subject: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless



Guys,

As we wireless operators know, the costs of licensed networks
(equipment, antennas and licensing) makes providing services to the
majority of subscribers prohibitively expensive, and the cost at auction
for spectrum (for WiMax and 4G products) is beyond the reach of most of
us.

To overcome these problems, two years ago Wireless Strategies began
research into ways to use new technologies -- WiMAX and smart antennas
-- to reuse side lobe radiation around sites of point-to-point 4GHz and
6GHz microwave links under the present FCC rules and without causing
additional interference.

Our finding is that networks can be designed to operate with smart
antennas with distributed radiators and that the new paths can be
concurrently coordinated, under existing FCC rules and without causing
additional interference.

We believe that concurrent coordination will be The Next Big Thing in
Wireless, leveling the playing field by making it possible for WISPs to
obtain multipurpose licensed spectrum at pennies on the dollar compared
to obtaining it at auction. By making use of the formerly wasted side
lobe radiation of 4GHz and 6GHz paths, WISPs will be able to use IEEE
802.16-based (WiMAX) equipment with small antennas to provide licensed
broadband services to hundreds of additional subscribers at a
provisioning cost of only about $500 per link. We appreciate that some
members of the industry may initially perceive any change to the status
quo as a threat, but we believe that concurrent coordination will
provide extraordinary benefits to the entire industry, especially WISPs.

Due to the potential for unprecedented industry-wide changes from the
use of antennas with distributed radiators to provide multiple-path
low-cost broadband services under the existing FCC rules, Wireless
Strategies decided to remove any uncertainty for investors and service
providers by, on February 23, 2007, filing with the Federal
Communications Commission, a Request for a Declaratory Ruling on
Compliance of Fixed Microwave Antennas Having Distributed Radiating
Elements.

However, to date, the FCC has taken no action. We believe that emails of
support from the WISP community can help speed up the process, by
encouraging the FCC to either issue the requested declaratory ruling or
to issue a Public Notice for industry comment.

Therefore, if you would like a copy of our FCC filing and/or information
about the new concept of concurrent coordination, please contact me at
Wireless Strategies 831-659-5618 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] For
additional information you can also visit our web site at
www.wirelessstrategies.net.

Thanks,

Mike

Michael Mulcay, CEO
Wireless Strategies, Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless

2007-05-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scriv,

After rereading this I was mistaken. My apologies for my comment.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

John Scrivner wrote:
What do you mean? I have been talking to him for two months about 
this. Where did you get that this is an ad? I asked him to post this 
message to get a feel for how WISPs would respond. He even sent it to 
me for review prior to sending it out here. I guess I am having 
trouble understanding why this would be considered an ad. They are 
looking for support for a declaratory ruling from the FCC on this 
matter. Mike would like to see WISPA help him on this and I think we 
should at least consider this.

Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


Sounds like an ad too. :-)


Jory Privett wrote:

Sounds like a great idea.  I only have one issue from what I read 
here, $500 per link seems high.  Most ISPs complain about the $250 
they pay now for CPEs.


Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - From: michael mulcay 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:23 PM
Subject: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless



Guys,

As we wireless operators know, the costs of licensed networks
(equipment, antennas and licensing) makes providing services to the
majority of subscribers prohibitively expensive, and the cost at 
auction
for spectrum (for WiMax and 4G products) is beyond the reach of 
most of

us.

To overcome these problems, two years ago Wireless Strategies began
research into ways to use new technologies -- WiMAX and smart antennas
-- to reuse side lobe radiation around sites of point-to-point 4GHz 
and

6GHz microwave links under the present FCC rules and without causing
additional interference.

Our finding is that networks can be designed to operate with smart
antennas with distributed radiators and that the new paths can be
concurrently coordinated, under existing FCC rules and without causing
additional interference.

We believe that concurrent coordination will be The Next Big Thing in
Wireless, leveling the playing field by making it possible for 
WISPs to
obtain multipurpose licensed spectrum at pennies on the dollar 
compared

to obtaining it at auction. By making use of the formerly wasted side
lobe radiation of 4GHz and 6GHz paths, WISPs will be able to use IEEE
802.16-based (WiMAX) equipment with small antennas to provide licensed
broadband services to hundreds of additional subscribers at a
provisioning cost of only about $500 per link. We appreciate that some
members of the industry may initially perceive any change to the 
status

quo as a threat, but we believe that concurrent coordination will
provide extraordinary benefits to the entire industry, especially 
WISPs.


Due to the potential for unprecedented industry-wide changes from the
use of antennas with distributed radiators to provide multiple-path
low-cost broadband services under the existing FCC rules, Wireless
Strategies decided to remove any uncertainty for investors and service
providers by, on February 23, 2007, filing with the Federal
Communications Commission, a Request for a Declaratory Ruling on
Compliance of Fixed Microwave Antennas Having Distributed Radiating
Elements.

However, to date, the FCC has taken no action. We believe that 
emails of

support from the WISP community can help speed up the process, by
encouraging the FCC to either issue the requested declaratory 
ruling or

to issue a Public Notice for industry comment.

Therefore, if you would like a copy of our FCC filing and/or 
information

about the new concept of concurrent coordination, please contact me at
Wireless Strategies 831-659-5618 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] For
additional information you can also visit our web site at
www.wirelessstrategies.net.

Thanks,

Mike

Michael Mulcay, CEO
Wireless Strategies, Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-08 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Johnny,

There is nothing specific about my statement. I was talking about cash 
flow not compliance but I never mentioned either in my statement. That 
is where the assumption came in.


This thread was brought about by the discussion as of late with some 
WISP's saying that they don't earn enough money to install another 
customer never mind the fact that the CALEA compliance solutions 
currently available are out of their price range. So this was not 
brought on by a discussion about whether or not they will comply with 
CALEA but that they don't have the cash flow.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

JohnnyO wrote:
Oh - why did I assume anything when you specifically said the 
following..


Marlon,


**To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their 
heads at this point.** This is just an opportunity for them to 
get out gracefully if they choose to do so.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Dawn - this was started around the CALEA compliance issue... What 
would be a good opportunity for them to get out when the discussion is 
about Matt offering companies a way to sell out due to CALEA 
compliance


JohnnyO

- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



Johnny,

I NEVER said anyone was in over their heads in regards to CALEA. I 
was talking in general. So don't go putting words into my mouth. What 
makes you think these companies won't be offered fair market value? 
Another assumption?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


JohnnyO wrote:
Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with 
deep pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market 
value. To use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book 
completely out of line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you 
are...


NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's 
let this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads 
at this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out 
gracefully if they choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but 
CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon
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since 1999!

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- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that 
several companies are looking to exit the business for various 
reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about 
exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a 
variety of options from taking a controlling interest to an 
outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is 
coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a 
business that is not compliant after the deadline passes.


-Matt
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[WISPA] ISP Planet article

2007-05-08 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

In case anyone missed this article on what CALEA could mean to ISP's and 
WISP's alike.

http://www.isp-planet.com/politics/2007/calea_extension.html

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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-07 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at 
this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully 
if they choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon
(509) 982-2181
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1999!

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- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not 
the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an 
exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options 
from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is 
coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a 
business that is not compliant after the deadline passes.


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Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?

2007-05-07 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Johnny,

I NEVER said anyone was in over their heads in regards to CALEA. I was 
talking in general. So don't go putting words into my mouth. What makes 
you think these companies won't be offered fair market value? Another 
assumption?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


JohnnyO wrote:
Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep 
pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To 
use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of 
line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are...


NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let 
this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?



Marlon,

To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at 
this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out 
gracefully if they choose to do so.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action?

I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA 
isn't even on the list let alone near the top.


Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator 
since 1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale?


In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several 
companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not 
the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an 
exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options 
from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout.


I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is 
coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a 
business that is not compliant after the deadline passes.


-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-04 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

I was under the impression the providers are only supposed to send the 
LEA the data covered in the subpoena and no more.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Read the FAQ.  In some cases they may have to sort through ALL data to 
get at what they want.

marlon

- Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question



In my opinion, I don;t think it will fly because of NAT.
The law inforcement agrency needs to be able to differenciate what 
customer traffic is comming from, and if you use NAT for any of your 
customers, the facilities based upstream provider would have no way 
to identify the end user, and the WISP would become the customer and 
be liable. To many degrees of seperation at the upstream for the 
captured data to be meaningful.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question



The FCC wrote:

we conclude that establishments that
acquire broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based
provider to enable their patrons or customers to access the Internet
from their respective establishments are not considered 
facilities-based

broadband Internet access service providers

Hm.

It'd be one heckuva stretch, but by reading the letter (as opposed 
to the spirit) of that paragraph, many smaller WISPs would 
automatically be exempt. I know my office has acquired broadband 
Internet access service from a facilities-based provider (our 
upstream ISP) and we're enabling our customers to access the 
Internet from their respective establishments (i.e. our customers 
pay for Internet at their homes or offices).


By the letter of that paragraph (and, to be fair, I haven't read all 
the context surrounding it) most any single-homed WISP would be 
exempt, as they could just say go talk to our upstream. (I doubt 
it'd work for multi-homed ISPs, as that would require multiple 
upstreams to be tapped and somehow synchronized, which is probably 
technically annoying.)


David Smith
MVN.net
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[WISPA] Google and 700Mhz

2007-05-04 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

Interesting article on Google and the 700Mhz spectrum. I thought it 
might be of some interest to the list. It kind of sounds like the 
coalition that Google belongs to is rooting for small rural providers 
but I am not sure what their idea of small providers means.


Page 1 of the article;
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070503_030284.htm

Page 2;
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070503_030284_page_2.htm

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops

2007-05-02 Thread Dawn DiPietro

George,

I am under the impression there is an FSO solution out there that has an 
auto align mechanism that overcomes the sway associated with cable and 
tower mounts. I would be interested to know if this is how Plaintree 
deals with this issue.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

George Rogato wrote:
I didn't buy that one, but I did buy a 100 meg fd Plaintree FSO link a 
couple weeks ago. Should be here any day now.


From what I understand, most FSO has very little tolerance. Things 
like vibration can interrupt the links connectivity. Although 
Plaintree specifically said it did not effect their system.


Smith, Rick wrote:

Hrm.  Designed to mount ON the cable at the street and point toward the
homes ?

Interesting, but futile in the wind...

Isn't it more expensive than a coax run to the home ?  LOL.

Hey Cable companies, buy these things and put 'em everywhere

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Now THAT's cool!
marlon

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup

2007-05-01 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Ty,

I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote:

Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a
MT hotspot  I have tried several times; and just can not get it to
function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to
work... doa.

I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a
contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail.


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Re: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business

2007-05-01 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scriv,

Congrats and Have Fun! 10 Years in this business is something to 
celebrate for sure. :-)


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:
Today my company turns 10 years old. Building this company has been 
one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. I feel very blessed 
to be part of all this. Many of you have played a large role in my 
success and I thank all of you. I have always considered my success in 
this business to be attributed mostly to my belief that God answers 
prayer. Thank you God! I hope all of you get to reach those landmarks 
in your company that make you take pause and reflect. I hope when you 
do you get to have as positive a feeling about it all as I do.


We have a whale of a day planned. The girls made up balloons and 
various decorations. We have hotdogs, brats and bbq to feed an army. 
We will have two washer pits setup. I plan to play some rock and roll 
with friends later in the afternoon. For those of you who do not know 
it I play the drums.


Thanks again to all you guys and gals. I am off to have some fun today!
Scriv


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup

2007-05-01 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik system 
other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is deploying 
one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC certified parts does 
not make the system as a whole certified.


Regards,
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup

2007-05-01 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Matt,

This is great news. I look forward to seeing this happen since this 
seems to be the system of choice from a huge number of Wireless Providers.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
Can the Certification Nazis give it a rest for a couple of months?   
There will be plenty of StarOS and MT certified systems by then and we 
can send these stupid threads into /dev/null oblivion.


Sheesh.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Chadd Thompson wrote:

You want to help the guy or poke him with a stick?

:O)

Chadd

 

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Ty,

I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote:
   

Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a
MT hotspot  I have tried several times; and just can not get it to
function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get 
it to

work... doa.

I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a
contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail.


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup

2007-05-01 Thread Dawn DiPietro

It's cool. :-)

Butch Evans wrote:

On Tue, 1 May 2007, Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik 
system other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is 
deploying one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC 
certified parts does not make the system as a whole certified.


Now it's my turn to be contentious...

Why does anyone care to inform you of anything?  Who are you that we 
should care?




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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup

2007-05-01 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mark,

You are correct with this statement. I did get a little out of hand this 
morning. Apologies to the list.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Mark Nash wrote:

This post is not a response to the question or helpful.  You took an
opportunity to state an opinion which has derailed the original intent of
the thread.

Mark Nash
UnwiredOnline.Net
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Junction City, OR 97448
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541-998-5599 fax

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup


  

Ty,

I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote:


Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a
MT hotspot  I have tried several times; and just can not get it to
function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to
work... doa.

I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a
contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail.


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup

2007-05-01 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Johnny,

We used Breezecom and Proxim. Are you telling me that they were not 
certified.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

JohnnyO wrote:


Dawn - this is not a personal attack but I know that your previous 
WISP was not certified compliant, neither is about 90% of the WISPs 
out there, so what is the point of your post ?


JohnnyO

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 Ty,

 I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this.

 Regards,
 Dawn DiPietro


 Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote:

 Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in 
setting up  a
 MT hotspot  I have tried several times; and just can not get 
it  to
 function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't 
get it

to

 work... doa.

 I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a
 contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in 
detail.



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Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

Do you really believe the FCC does not care if WISP's are using 
uncertified gear? I doubt that you actually believe this.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

I prefer certified gear.  Pre built and ready to install.

Having said that Dawn, when's the last time the FCC took a wisp to 
task for using non certified configurations?


Hell, I've spent TWO YEARS trying to get an operator running over the 
eirp limits (way over) dealt with and still no headway.


The bad (and in many ways good) think is that they just don't seem to 
care. They want the consumer taken care of.  When you think about it, 
we whine about all of the things that the big boys get away with, all 
the while, we get away with things too.


Shrug.

marlon

- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?



Rick,

There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your 
own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back 
mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature 
set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. 
To be safe I would go with a system that is already certified instead 
of chancing it.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Rick,


Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere
and consider it certified ?
No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered 
legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you 
would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango 
system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the 
responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system.


I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these 
questions about certification.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



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Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mike,

There is no excuse for using uncertified gear no matter who is at fault. 
This attitude is going to hurt the WISP industry more than anything.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Mike Hammett wrote:
It's called prioritization, we all do it.  Going after ma and pa wisp 
isn't very high on their list of things to do.  With as rare as they 
bust a rogue vendor or manufacturer, how often do you think they go 
after someone intentionally using grossly overpowered gear, much less 
certified radio\antenna combo's.


They're going to go after a rice rocket going 105 mph in a 65 before a 
Ford F-150 doing 70.



-
Mike Hammett
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http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?



Marlon,

Do you really believe the FCC does not care if WISP's are using 
uncertified gear? I doubt that you actually believe this.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

I prefer certified gear.  Pre built and ready to install.

Having said that Dawn, when's the last time the FCC took a wisp to 
task for using non certified configurations?


Hell, I've spent TWO YEARS trying to get an operator running over 
the eirp limits (way over) dealt with and still no headway.


The bad (and in many ways good) think is that they just don't seem 
to care. They want the consumer taken care of.  When you think about 
it, we whine about all of the things that the big boys get away 
with, all the while, we get away with things too.


Shrug.

marlon

- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?



Rick,

There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on 
your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks 
back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the 
feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified 
system. To be safe I would go with a system that is already 
certified instead of chancing it.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Rick,

Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it 
elsewhere

and consider it certified ?
No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered 
legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you 
would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the 
trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on 
the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system.


I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these 
questions about certification.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



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Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Dawn DiPietro

George,

I am not painting a bad picture of anyone. I just think that if you are 
going to be a part of this industry then you need to play by the rules 
no matter how much you dislike it. Yes, there was innovation by breaking 
the rules in the beginning but that was before there was an industry. 
Now that WISP's are more commonplace the rules have changed and if you 
want to be a part of it you need to mature along with the rest of the 
industry.


I guess I have reached my limit for the day so I will continue to pester 
you all tomorrow.  ;-)


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

George Rogato wrote:

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Mike,

There is no excuse for using uncertified gear no matter who is at 
fault. This attitude is going to hurt the WISP industry more than 
anything.


Dawn, we got to where we are today because of the independent thinking 
tech who rolled his own systems.


I very much doubt we would be as far forward as we are without the 
shade tree wisp types. Even Moto got one hell of a kick start by 
converting 802.11b systems over to their platform.
I'm sure Alvarion, Trango and the others are doing well with fork lift 
upgrades by wisps who did what they had to to get going.


Yes, today is a the beginning of a new era, one which will demand 
certification, but lets not forget our roots, and lets stop casting 
stones or trying to paint a nasty picture of some.


Those who have never deployed an uncertified system are either far and 
few between or have not been in this industry very long.




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Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mike,

If you think you are under the radar you are sorely mistaken. You 
admitted on a public list that gear you use is not certified.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro




Mike Hammett wrote:
I am not exempt from anything, but my 11 customers and I can certainly 
fly under the radar using gear isn't harming anyone until I have 
completed my Mikrotik compliance efforts.



-
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?


So are you telling us you are exempt, then?  The justificatiom is 
that you

are small- a Ma and Pa?  Mikrotik certification is already sorted out.
They are not approved.  Look for the label on the end product.  If you
made it yourself, it ain't certified!



Don't get me wrong, I'm not avoiding a certified system.  However, 
it is
just one of the many factors that go in to choosing a system.  The 
cards I

am using are certified with the antennas I use (to the best of my
knowledge,
waiting for the FCC to come back up).

I will have my Mikrotik certification issues sorted out this 
summer.  As
Marlon said earlier, the FCC isn't going after ma and pa WISP, but 
after

gross negligence in vendors and manufacturers.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?


I like to think of it more like constructive public pressure rather 
than
paranoia. Paranoia would be a term used in regard to unfounded 
concern.
Certification as a matter of law is not unfounded concern, it is 
fact and

therefore paranoia is not a just description of the pressures we see
being
placed on the makers of the platform. I personally love the Mikrotik
platform but feel it should have a suite of certified system 
options for
wireless use which we do not see currently. The lack of this has 
limited

my
ability to consider use of this platform for wireless solutions. I 
still
use Mikrotik often for SoHo router / firewall / hotspot gateways / 
etc. I

would consider it for some wireless applications if there were FCC
certified options available. Until then I will not buy anything from
anyone
that is not FCC certified from this date forward. I spent about 
$300K on

gear last year. Vendors take note!
Scriv


Mike Hammett wrote:


People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately.


-
Mike Hammett
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- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Rick,

Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it 
elsewhere

and consider it certified ?


No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered 
legal

from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have
to
get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you
took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make
sure this really a was certified system.

I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these
questions about certification.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

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Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Rick,


Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere
and consider it certified ?

No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the 
antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the 
manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach 
you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was 
certified system.

I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these 
questions about certification.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

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Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Rick,

There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your 
own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back 
mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set 
and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. To be 
safe I would go with a system that is already certified instead of 
chancing it.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Rick,


Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere
and consider it certified ?
No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal 
from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have 
to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If 
you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to 
make sure this really a was certified system.


I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these 
questions about certification.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



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Re: [WISPA] Community Wireless Summit May 18-20, 2007 -- Washington, DC.

2007-04-28 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Charles,

How did I know you would make this an issue? ;-)

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Charles Wu wrote:

Out of curiosity...does this mean I can just email blast the list with
events that I organize?

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sascha Meinrath
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:30 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Community Wireless Summit May 18-20, 2007 --
Washington, DC.

FYI:

Contact:
Sascha Meinrath
Executive Director
CUWiN Foundation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
217-278-3933 x31

INTERNATIONAL SUMMIT TO ADDRESS FUTURE OF BROADBAND
-- Community Technology Leaders from Six Continents to Participate --

Champaign-Urbana, I.L., April 18 -- The CUWiN Foundation and the Center
for Community Informatics (CCI) will host the International Summit for
Community Wireless Networks (http://WirelessSummit.org) from May 18-20,
2007 at Loyola College in Columbia, Maryland.

The summit is the largest gathering of wireless network developers,
technology and policy experts, and community organizers working to build
universal, low-cost broadband networks around the world. We are proud
to host an event that brings together technologists and activists
committed to universal access to informatics, said Marco Figueiredo,
CCI Director.

The International Summit for Community Wireless Networks explores the
opportunities and challenges facing the growing movement to build
community and municipal broadband networks, said Sascha Meinrath,
co-founder and Executive Director of CUWiN. This event showcases
cutting-edge technologies and develops political strategies to increase
digital inclusion.

Since the first National Summit for Community Wireless Networks in 2004,
over 300 Community Internet and municipal broadband projects have sprung
up in the United States alone. The Summit will focus on how these
networks can better serve their target populations, the policies needed
to support broader deployment of community wireless systems, and the
latest technological and software innovations.

Presenters at previous summits have included FCC Commissioner Jonathan
Adelstein, Jim Baller of the Baller Herbst Law Group, Annie Collins of
Fiber for Our Future, Mark Cooper of the Consumer Federation of America,
Harold Feld of Media Access Project, Robert W. McChesney of Free Press,
Matt Rantanen of Tribal Digital Village, Greg Richardson of Civitium
LLC, Paul Smith of the Center for Neighborhood Technologies, Jim Snider
of the New America Foundation, Dana Spiegel of NYCwireless, Esme Vos of
Muniwireless.com and many other luminaries.

High-speed broadband access is the electricity of the 21st century, yet
many rural and poorer urban communities are being left off the grid,
said Ben Scott, policy director of Free Press, the DC-based policy
think-tank. The innovators and organizers at the International Summit
for Community Wireless Networks are blazing the trail to make broadband
affordable and available to everyone.

About CUWiN (http://www.cuwin.net)
The CUWiN Foundation is a world-renowned coalition of wireless
developers and community volunteers committed to providing low-cost,
do-it-yourself, community-controlled alternatives to contemporary
broadband models. CUWiN is fiscally sponsored by Grassroots.org, a
non-profit 501c3.  CUWiN's mission is to develop decentralized,
community-owned networks that foster democratic cultures and local
content. Through advocacy and through our commitment to open source
technology, CUWiN supports organic networks that grow to meet the needs
of their communities.

About CCI (http://cci.cs.loyola.edu)
The Center for Community Informatics engages Loyola College's students,
faculty and staff in supporting the creation and deployment of
informatics tools for community empowerment.  CCI develops the Community
Telecenter Free Software Toolset; promotes awareness events for the
Loyola College community; offer courses in Community Informatics;
promotes Digital Inclusion Conferences; researches and develops
human-friendly technologies to facilitate inclusion in the New Society
of Knowledge; and, evaluates, documents and develops sustainable models
for Universal Access to Informatics.

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Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Dawn DiPietro

George,

Trango would have had the whole system certified not just the radio card 
and the SBC. You can't take out a few parts from a certified system and 
consider it legal in any way shape or form.
The system as a whole was certified including the case, the power supply 
and software. As far as I understand it if you change anything it would 
need to be re certified. The system would also need a sticker with the 
FCC ID # affixed to the outside of the case. Aren't you on the Cert 
Committee?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


George Rogato wrote:

I would assume Dawn, that your statement like mine is an SS U Me tion.

If the trango's plug into the ethernets and the cm9 is a wifi ap, then 
it's quite a stretch to say that the mt-cm9 combo alone is not certified.


George

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Rick,


Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere
and consider it certified ?
No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal 
from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have 
to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If 
you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to 
make sure this really a was certified system.


I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these 
questions about certification.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro





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Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mike,

Why risk losing your business for using uncertified gear?

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Mike Hammett wrote:

People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?



Rick,


Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere
and consider it certified ?
No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal 
from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have 
to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If 
you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to 
make sure this really a was certified system.


I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these 
questions about certification.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

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Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Rick,

I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a 
public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out 
there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


ralph wrote:

The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to
start with.  The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy
from the beginning.  


Why would you do anything else?

Ralph

 -Original Message-
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Behalf Of Smith, Rick
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and
SR5 / SR9 cards.
 
Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue

of will you fry our children ?

  


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Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Frank,

Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Frank Crawford wrote:

Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier
manual.
Frank

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?


  

Rick,

I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a
public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out
there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a


system.
  

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


ralph wrote:


The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved
  

system to
  

start with.  The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for
  

controversy
  

from the beginning.

Why would you do anything else?

Ralph

 -Original Message-
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Behalf Of Smith, Rick
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and
SR5 / SR9 cards.

Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue
of will you fry our children ?


  

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Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval

2007-04-26 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scott,

The SBC would not be a transmitter without the mPCI wireless card now 
would it. The SBC would be the host device.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Scott Reed wrote:
Right, for the transmitter.  That is the mPCI card that goes in the 
laptop.  I am talking about the laptop itself.  Laptop = SBC = WRAP = 
RB = ???


Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Scott,

In order for the system to be certified it must include the modular 
transmitter and the antenna. If you did not include these parts what 
would you be certifying exactly?


As quoted from said document;

The modular transmitter must comply with the antenna requirements of 
Section 15.203
and 15.204(c). The antenna must either be permanently attached or 
employ a “unique”
antenna coupler (at all connections between the module and the 
antenna, including the
cable). Any antenna used with the module must be approved with the 
module, either at
the time of initial authorization or through a Class II permissive 
change. The
“professional installation” provision of Section 15.203 may not be 
applied to modules.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Scott Reed wrote:
And look as I might, I have trouble find what antennae the card 
vendor is certified with.


From other discussions, I would ask a couple of additional 
questions.  If we assume we can find a mPCI card that has WISP 
usable antennae in its certification then:
1) Couldn't someone just get an RBxxx or WRAP or whatever SBC 
certified as a base unit and we could put the card in it?
2) If an SBC is certified without an enclosure, is it still 
certified if it is in a box?


Here is what I am thinking.  If we would get  an SBC certified bare 
as a base unit then we could use it with various cards in whatever 
enclosure we want to use.  The FCC seems to be interested in RF 
noise being emitted.  I don't think there are very many enclosures 
that increase the RF output, so if a bare SBC is certified, putting 
it in a box shouldn't negate the certification.  That would be like 
saying I can't put my laptop in a suitcase if the laptop is powered on.


If this is the case, getting some of the equipment many of  us use 
in our operations certified may not be as hard as once thought.  And 
if we can show the mPCI makers the advantage of including some of 
the antennae we use in their certifications, we may be able to 
legally use a lot more equipment.

Jack Unger wrote:

Scott,

I believe that your comments are substantially correct.

The main problem that I see with building our own equipment is that 
very few (if any) manufacturers of modular wireless cards have 
certified them with a range of usable external WISP-grade antennas. 
I don't think this 2nd Report and Order changes that. Also, 
remember that the software used must limit operation of the 
complete system only to those frequencies and power levels that are 
legal in the U.S.


jack


Scott Reed wrote:
I haven't read it really well and I have not yet looked up the 
referenced sections of Part 15, but I read the part that is not 
about split modular to be the part the refers to a PC.  And I 
read it that if the PC is certified to have radio cards AND the 
radio card is certified with an antenna, then that PC, radio card 
and antenna can be used.


So, if that is true, then Tim may be on the right track.  Jack is 
right, not any base, but I would read it that any certified 
base is doable.
I have often wondered how it works for laptops, but hadn't 
bothered to find it.  This makes sense.  Ubiquiti certifies the 
CM9 card with a set of antennae.  Dell certifies the laptop for a 
radio card.  Putting a CM9 in Dell's laptop is fine as long as it 
connects to an antenna, using the proper cable, that was certified 
with the CM9.


Therefore, if MT can get an RBxxx board certified as a base 
unit, we should be able to use a CM9 in that RBxxx with the proper 
antenna and be good.  The gotcha here is those sections of Part 
15 I have not yet followed up on.  I am not sure what the 
professional installer stuff is about.


What am I missing or is this good news?

Jack Unger wrote:

Tim,

I read the 2nd Report and Order and I don't see where it is 
saying that a certified mini PCI radio can be put into any base 
unit.


I think what the FCC is doing is:

1. Providing eight criteria that clarify the definition of what a 
legal modular assembly is.


2. Allowing some flexibility regarding on-module shielding, data 
inputs, and power supply regulation.


3. Clarifying the definition of what a split modular assembly is.

4. Defining the (somewhat flexible) requirements that a split 
modular assembly must meet.


Although a motherboard will certainly contain an operating 
system, I don't think that a mini PCI radio plugged into any 
motherboard meets the FCC's definition of a split modular 
assembly. I think the FCC considers a split modular assembly to 
be where circuitry that today would be contained on a single 
modular assembly is (now or in the future) split between two 
different

Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-26 Thread Dawn DiPietro

John,

The FCC should not have to bribe Wireless Providers for this 
information. If Wireless Providers are serious about playing in this 
field then they should fill out the proper paperwork they are asked to 
file. If not then they will have to pay the price of not being looked as 
serious players and not given the time of day. With little to no market 
share, why would the FCC even pick up the phone? They have been more 
than generous to meet with WISPA as often as they have.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Thomas wrote:
It just seems that if the information is important, the FCC should be 
willing to put their money where their mouth is.

I don't know who would actually put up the money.

John

Peter R. wrote:

I think many (half?) don't even know that they have to file.
Many don't understand CALEA or know that they need to comply.
So $500... it would probably get you about 400 more, but who will 
pony up the $200k?


Peter


John Thomas wrote:

Pete, you hit on an interesting idea. What if the FCC were to pay 
the ISP say $500 each year to fill out the 477? Would more ISP's 
participate?


John






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Re: [WISPA] CALEA Costs-Shifting Relief

2007-04-26 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Peter,

Thank you for posting this information. Since there is a $5000 
application fee and that the provider has to prove that they have tried 
to comply I doubt the providers that scream the loudest will even take 
this information seriously and discount it like everything else we have 
heard about recently. I have heard on other lists that it is very 
difficult to get anything to come of this but as you know the 
misinformation flies rampantly these days. :-)


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Peter R. wrote:

*Section 109(b)(1) Petitions for Cost-Shifting Relief*

CALEA section 109(b) permits a “telecommunications carrier,” as that 
term is defined by CALEA, to file a petition with the FCC and an 
application with the Department of Justice (DOJ) to request that DOJ 
pay the costs of the carrier’s CALEA compliance (cost-shifting relief) 
with respect to any equipment, facility or service installed or 
deployed after January 1, 1995. First, the carrier must file a section 
109(b)(1) petition with the FCC and prove that, based on one or more 
of the criteria set forth in section 109(b)(1)(A)-(K), implementation 
of at least one particular solution that would comply with a 
particular CALEA section 103 capability requirement is not “reasonably 
achievable.” Second, if the Commission grants a section 109(b)(1) 
petition, the carrier must then apply to DOJ, pursuant to section 
109(b)(2), to pay the reasonable costs of compliance for one of the 
solutions proposed in the section 109(b)(1) petition. DOJ may then 
either pay the reasonable costs of compliance or deny the application.


If DOJ denies the section 109(b)(2) application, then the carrier is 
deemed to be CALEA compliant for the facilities, networks, and 
services (facilities) described in the section 109(b)(1) petition 
until those facilities are replaced, significantly upgraded or 
otherwise undergo a major modification. When those facilities are 
replaced, significantly upgraded or otherwise undergo a major 
modification, the carrier is obligated under the law to become CALEA 
compliant. The FCC may also specify in its CALEA section 109(b)(1) 
order granting a carrier’s petition the specific date when the 
replacement, upgrade or modification will occur and when CALEA 
compliance is required. Thus, a carrier’s obligation to comply with 
all CALEA requirements is only deferred when (1) the FCC grants a 
section 109(b)(1) petition, and (2) DOJ declines to pay the additional 
reasonable costs to comply with one or more of the CALEA requirements. 
No qualifying carrier is exempt from CALEA.


Section 109(b)(1) petitions must be adequately supported, and the FCC 
decides whether to grant the petition strictly in reference to 
criteria set out in section 109(b)(1). Accordingly, carriers are 
encouraged to consult with competent legal and technical counsel 
before filing such a petition. Please note that a filing fee of 
$5,000.00 is required to accompany all CALEA section 109(b)(1) 
petitions filed with the FCC. See Appendix E entitled “Section 
109(b)(1) Petitions for Cost-Shifting Relief: Filing Instructions,” 
and paragraphs 38-57 of the CALEA Second Report and Order 
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-56A1.pdf 
for detailed filing instructions and further explanation of the scope 
of relief, and its limitations, available under section 109(b).


More at the bottom of this page: http://www.fcc.gov/calea/


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Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval

2007-04-26 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scott,

The wireless card and antenna has to be present to be certified with the 
SBC. Without the card and the antenna the SBC cannot be certified as a 
system.


If we would get  an SBC certified bare as a base unit then we could 
use it with various cards in whatever enclosure we want to use.
As I understood it, your initial post was to certify the board and the 
enclosure with no wireless device and antenna in hopes of using any 
combination of cards and antenna. If I misunderstood what you were 
trying to say I apologize.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Scott Reed wrote:

Actually, the SBC is never an intentional radiator.  The added card is.
As I read, and Tim says the same thing in a later post, we need the 
SBCs certified the same as laptops.  Certified as non-intentional 
radiators that accept intential radiators that are certified.


Isn't that what the presented ruling says can happen?

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Scott,

The SBC would not be a transmitter without the mPCI wireless card now 
would it. The SBC would be the host device.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Scott Reed wrote:
Right, for the transmitter.  That is the mPCI card that goes in the 
laptop.  I am talking about the laptop itself.  Laptop = SBC = WRAP 
= RB = ???


Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Scott,

In order for the system to be certified it must include the modular 
transmitter and the antenna. If you did not include these parts 
what would you be certifying exactly?


As quoted from said document;

The modular transmitter must comply with the antenna requirements 
of Section 15.203
and 15.204(c). The antenna must either be permanently attached or 
employ a “unique”
antenna coupler (at all connections between the module and the 
antenna, including the
cable). Any antenna used with the module must be approved with the 
module, either at
the time of initial authorization or through a Class II permissive 
change. The
“professional installation” provision of Section 15.203 may not be 
applied to modules.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Scott Reed wrote:
And look as I might, I have trouble find what antennae the card 
vendor is certified with.


From other discussions, I would ask a couple of additional 
questions.  If we assume we can find a mPCI card that has WISP 
usable antennae in its certification then:
1) Couldn't someone just get an RBxxx or WRAP or whatever SBC 
certified as a base unit and we could put the card in it?
2) If an SBC is certified without an enclosure, is it still 
certified if it is in a box?


Here is what I am thinking.  If we would get  an SBC certified 
bare as a base unit then we could use it with various cards in 
whatever enclosure we want to use.  The FCC seems to be interested 
in RF noise being emitted.  I don't think there are very many 
enclosures that increase the RF output, so if a bare SBC is 
certified, putting it in a box shouldn't negate the 
certification.  That would be like saying I can't put my laptop in 
a suitcase if the laptop is powered on.


If this is the case, getting some of the equipment many of  us use 
in our operations certified may not be as hard as once thought.  
And if we can show the mPCI makers the advantage of including some 
of the antennae we use in their certifications, we may be able to 
legally use a lot more equipment.

Jack Unger wrote:

Scott,

I believe that your comments are substantially correct.

The main problem that I see with building our own equipment is 
that very few (if any) manufacturers of modular wireless cards 
have certified them with a range of usable external WISP-grade 
antennas. I don't think this 2nd Report and Order changes that. 
Also, remember that the software used must limit operation of the 
complete system only to those frequencies and power levels that 
are legal in the U.S.


jack


Scott Reed wrote:
I haven't read it really well and I have not yet looked up the 
referenced sections of Part 15, but I read the part that is not 
about split modular to be the part the refers to a PC.  And I 
read it that if the PC is certified to have radio cards AND the 
radio card is certified with an antenna, then that PC, radio 
card and antenna can be used.


So, if that is true, then Tim may be on the right track.  Jack 
is right, not any base, but I would read it that any 
certified base is doable.
I have often wondered how it works for laptops, but hadn't 
bothered to find it.  This makes sense.  Ubiquiti certifies the 
CM9 card with a set of antennae.  Dell certifies the laptop for 
a radio card.  Putting a CM9 in Dell's laptop is fine as long as 
it connects to an antenna, using the proper cable, that was 
certified with the CM9.


Therefore, if MT can get an RBxxx board certified as a base 
unit, we should be able to use a CM9 in that RBxxx with the 
proper antenna and be good.  The gotcha here is those sections 
of Part 15 I have not yet followed up on.  I am not sure what 
the professional installer stuff is about.


What am I missing or is this good news?

Jack

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mark,

At this point you are beating a dead horse. We know how you feel about 
the government and following the laws put in place for your protection. 
But to be honest with you this is getting old.
We need to change the focus of this conversation on how to comply with 
these rules not how much we should disregard them. I doubt civil 
disobedience will work in this case not with the small
number of WISP's we are talking about here. If this type of discussion 
keeps this up the FCC could just regulate the WISP industry out of 
existence. I doubt that is what your end goal is.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

I think Steve's point was to contrast Patrick Henry's determination with
some people's attitude that resistance is futile.

Frankly, I think EVERY WISP should file that they are NOT compliant and have
no prospect of being.   The FCC would simply be snowed under attempting to
deal with HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS of individual cases and would end up having
to make some kind of change in the way they do business.

I don't know how many people work there, but for them to adequately deal
with 500, 1000, or even 10,000 cannot comply filings, well, I KNOW they
can't.This would force changes in the way they expect to deal with such
a diverse and LARGE group.They're used to regulating industries with a
handful of players.  For them to take on regulating an industry with more
operators than telephone companies, radio stations, and cell phone operators
combined is a challenge far beyond what I think they had any inkling they
would be required to do.




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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?


  

On 4/26/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Jeromie Reeves wrote:
  

On 4/19/07, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


as Patrick Henry once said

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

  

Who is Patrick Henry??



Didn't Patrick Henry say Give me liberty or give me death?
  

Yes he did. Your chopping off my sarcasm tag misrepresents my words.
The quote in my email was also by Patrick Henry. Steve attributed
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. to Mr. Henry but I do
not remember him ever saying it (course I was a bit young  back in the
1700's and my memory is not what it once was.).
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Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering

2007-04-26 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Jory,

I am not sure what you are trying to do with the other WISP's in your 
area. Can you a little more clear on what you are thinking of?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Jory Privett wrote:
There are several WISP in my area I was  wanting to talk to some of 
them about bandwidth peering.  I know that most will not want anything 
to do with it since they refuse to co-operate in any other way but I 
wanted to make the effort.  Has anyone else done this type of thing?  
What paperwork needs to be done to protect each company? How do you 
control throughput to and from each network and routing issues?  Any 
help her would be greatly appreciated.


Jory Privett
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Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mark,

So this means you thumb your nose at the FCC when they put regulations 
into place?


The FCC is not in place to make life easy for you it is there to protect 
the airwaves from being polluted from every guy that knows something 
about wireless and slapping computers together.
Sorry if this sounds a little crude but with all the discussion lately 
the attitude seems to be make it easy for me so I can be a player and 
handicap the competition. This does not make it an even
playing field in any way shape or form. The Telcos/Cableco's have to be 
compliant as does the little guy.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Mark McElvy wrote:

I may not agree with everything Mark is saying, but CALEA is more about
Gov't control and convenience than our protection. Running a small
business is hard enough without being regulated into oblivion.

Mark McElvy


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Mark,

At this point you are beating a dead horse. We know how you feel about 
the government and following the laws put in place for your protection. 
But to be honest with you this is getting old.
We need to change the focus of this conversation on how to comply with 
these rules not how much we should disregard them. I doubt civil 
disobedience will work in this case not with the small
number of WISP's we are talking about here. If this type of discussion 
keeps this up the FCC could just regulate the WISP industry out of 
existence. I doubt that is what your end goal is.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

  


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Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?

2007-04-26 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mark,

Justify it anyway you like. Civil disobedience is not a viable solution. 
I don't see a large number of people stepping up to the plate and 
defending your position.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

Wow.  I guess the title really is right.

When I participated in the debates about who was a WISP, and who could join
WISPA, we were very broad, and included community networks,  free networks,
big and small operators.. including the guy who is just a hobby type
network operator, but provides connection to his small town, community,
neighborhood, or even just block.

Now we've decided that the only people who count are the  big guys.   The
professionals?  A few hundred?I know that lots of people didn't file
477 so that they could hide when the next thing came out... And it was no
time at all.   What will happen when the next mandate comes?   Will you
start referencing the scores of WISP's?   After the next one will it be
the dozens?

Marlon thinks there's 10,000 of us.

I think there's 20K of us, including all the wide array of informal, hobby,
free, or otherwise not set up an advertised for profit ISP.   So, we just
toss all them to the wolves to feed on first, before they get to us?  You
KNOW that the vast majority of these things are theoretically covered by
CALEA, but will never file a single thing, won't have any ability to assist
law enforcement, and will continue operating under the radar, possibly
getting destroyed one by one as circumstances bring them to light.

So, you think that the FCC is going OUTLAW delivering internet via wireless
because we discuss tactics about how to get them to face reality?   I don't
advocate lying to anyone.  If you can, by george, file you can.  But for the
rest of us..  File you can't.   And I'd encourage EVERY ONE OF THOSE 15-20K
network operators to do the same.   Create the logjam that teaches
regulators when they've done wrong.   This is the most basic tenet of
democracy I can think of.   There is no holiness to the government or to
law they write. It does not come from God to them to us.All are subject
to negotiation and resistance by the governed.

I WILL DO JUST THAT, because I can't without changing my network.   But,
I'll just be offering my farewell email to the list soon UNLESS we stick
together, and unless WISPA and everyone else starts telling them to back off
and that the vast majority of operators actually cannot reasonably comply.
As far as I can tell, the only informal WISPA communication was that we can!

And if they shut me down... what will WISPA's stance be?   oh, he was a
renegade?   That looks like what you all want to do.  AT least the public
list won't be cluttered with noise about trying to save the WISP industry
from exinction.Sheesh.   Who cares about that radical issue?

I have written over and over and over that this isn't about me, nor my views
on the right or wrong... but about our industry and DEFENDING IT.And it
appears the biggest fight WISPA wants to have is the one to shut up those
who want to save their own skin, plus that of their fellow intrepid
operators.

I would encourage you to sit down and read the last FCC published document
on the topic of CALEA.  You need to understand that what we are supposedly
working on as compliance is not fixed AT ALL.  Just becoming presently
compliant is not a gauranteed long term or future solution.   The FCC
reserves the right to mandate PRECISELY what we are doing, and even in the
future to demand certification of the equipment we use.  They are resisting
that now, but but as history shows and the fact that they're trying to force
CALEA compliance on us, that they're as bendable as a willow in the wind.
This is not, as some people are attempting to portray it a minor, one time
bump in the road.   It's going to get bigger and it's going to continue to
be a source of heartburn even for those who can comply now.

All of this is a trial run (my words, not theirs) to see how well it
works.  If the results...after we re-build, restructure, or in some cases,
do very little... aren't satisfactory, they can revisit and impose HUGE
mandates that would bury pretty much every WISP except perhaps a few of the
multi-million dollar ones.   And that revisit is not determined by the
FCC's opinion, it's going to be in consultation with the DOJ and FBI, who
wanted MUCH more, and may very well get MUCH more, unless we start making
the case this is bad law, policy, and the wrong approach.

We cannot consider CALEA issues dealt with and just go back to business as
usual, because the deadline passes and we have something that works under
the guidelines.   I predict that the deadline will pass and only those who
have a c ontract with a TTP and a couple of router manufacturers will
actually have full compliance.   That will be only some of the hundreds
we're talking about right now.I further predict that in a year or two,
further mandates about CALEA will come along

[WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commiss ion’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment app roval

2007-04-25 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

I just received this document and thought it might be of some interest 
to the list.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval

2007-04-25 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Tim,

I have not read the whole document yet and it still needs some 
clarification but it kind of looks that way. Don't go jumping for joy 
just yet. ;-)


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Tim Kerns wrote:
Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a mini 
pci radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it then can 
be put into ANY base unit and be certified?


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been 
asking for?


Tim

- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s 
Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval




All,

I just received this document and thought it might be of some 
interest to the list.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval

2007-04-25 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mike,

Where did you get that idea?

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Mike Hammett wrote:

I thought that was put in to effect a year or two ago.


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- Original Message - From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of 
the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval



Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a 
mini pci radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it then 
can be put into ANY base unit and be certified?


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been 
asking for?


Tim

- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s 
Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval




All,

I just received this document and thought it might be of some 
interest to the list.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval

2007-04-25 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mike,

Any chance you could provide a link to the document you are talking about?

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Mike Hammett wrote:
It had been discussed on the Part 15 lists for that time and I 
remember reading an FCC publication about it a while ago.



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- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of 
the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval




Mike,

Where did you get that idea?

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Mike Hammett wrote:

I thought that was put in to effect a year or two ago.


-
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http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of 
the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval



Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a 
mini pci radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it 
then can be put into ANY base unit and be certified?


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been 
asking for?


Tim

- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of 
the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval




All,

I just received this document and thought it might be of some 
interest to the list.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval

2007-04-25 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

I think I know where the confusion comes in but I will need to do some 
more reading before I will comment on whether you are correct or not. 
You may be correct in your assumption but there might be some confusion 
about what this recent document actually refers to. Stay tuned...;-)


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Nope.  Not what it says.  It's very specific about the antenna AND 
cabling used.


What it means is that if you build a laptop (or some such device) and 
wish to slap in an atheros vs. prism rf section you can do that 
without having to recertify the whole shebang.


They SPECIFICALLY excluded the professional installer gear on this.  
That means anything with an n connector is out.


Marlon
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- Original Message - From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of 
the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval



Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a 
mini pci radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it then 
can be put into ANY base unit and be certified?


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been 
asking for?


Tim

- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s 
Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval




All,

I just received this document and thought it might be of some 
interest to the list.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval

2007-04-25 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scott,

In order for the system to be certified it must include the modular 
transmitter and the antenna. If you did not include these parts what 
would you be certifying exactly?


As quoted from said document;

The modular transmitter must comply with the antenna requirements of 
Section 15.203
and 15.204(c). The antenna must either be permanently attached or employ 
a “unique”
antenna coupler (at all connections between the module and the antenna, 
including the
cable). Any antenna used with the module must be approved with the 
module, either at
the time of initial authorization or through a Class II permissive 
change. The
“professional installation” provision of Section 15.203 may not be 
applied to modules.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Scott Reed wrote:
And look as I might, I have trouble find what antennae the card vendor 
is certified with.


From other discussions, I would ask a couple of additional questions.  
If we assume we can find a mPCI card that has WISP usable antennae in 
its certification then:
1) Couldn't someone just get an RBxxx or WRAP or whatever SBC 
certified as a base unit and we could put the card in it?
2) If an SBC is certified without an enclosure, is it still certified 
if it is in a box?


Here is what I am thinking.  If we would get  an SBC certified bare as 
a base unit then we could use it with various cards in whatever 
enclosure we want to use.  The FCC seems to be interested in RF noise 
being emitted.  I don't think there are very many enclosures that 
increase the RF output, so if a bare SBC is certified, putting it in a 
box shouldn't negate the certification.  That would be like saying I 
can't put my laptop in a suitcase if the laptop is powered on.


If this is the case, getting some of the equipment many of  us use in 
our operations certified may not be as hard as once thought.  And if 
we can show the mPCI makers the advantage of including some of the 
antennae we use in their certifications, we may be able to legally use 
a lot more equipment.

Jack Unger wrote:

Scott,

I believe that your comments are substantially correct.

The main problem that I see with building our own equipment is that 
very few (if any) manufacturers of modular wireless cards have 
certified them with a range of usable external WISP-grade antennas. I 
don't think this 2nd Report and Order changes that. Also, remember 
that the software used must limit operation of the complete system 
only to those frequencies and power levels that are legal in the U.S.


jack


Scott Reed wrote:
I haven't read it really well and I have not yet looked up the 
referenced sections of Part 15, but I read the part that is not 
about split modular to be the part the refers to a PC.  And I read 
it that if the PC is certified to have radio cards AND the radio 
card is certified with an antenna, then that PC, radio card and 
antenna can be used.


So, if that is true, then Tim may be on the right track.  Jack is 
right, not any base, but I would read it that any certified base 
is doable.
I have often wondered how it works for laptops, but hadn't bothered 
to find it.  This makes sense.  Ubiquiti certifies the CM9 card with 
a set of antennae.  Dell certifies the laptop for a radio card.  
Putting a CM9 in Dell's laptop is fine as long as it connects to an 
antenna, using the proper cable, that was certified with the CM9.


Therefore, if MT can get an RBxxx board certified as a base unit, 
we should be able to use a CM9 in that RBxxx with the proper antenna 
and be good.  The gotcha here is those sections of Part 15 I have 
not yet followed up on.  I am not sure what the professional 
installer stuff is about.


What am I missing or is this good news?

Jack Unger wrote:

Tim,

I read the 2nd Report and Order and I don't see where it is saying 
that a certified mini PCI radio can be put into any base unit.


I think what the FCC is doing is:

1. Providing eight criteria that clarify the definition of what a 
legal modular assembly is.


2. Allowing some flexibility regarding on-module shielding, data 
inputs, and power supply regulation.


3. Clarifying the definition of what a split modular assembly is.

4. Defining the (somewhat flexible) requirements that a split 
modular assembly must meet.


Although a motherboard will certainly contain an operating system, 
I don't think that a mini PCI radio plugged into any motherboard 
meets the FCC's definition of a split modular assembly. I think 
the FCC considers a split modular assembly to be where circuitry 
that today would be contained on a single modular assembly is (now 
or in the future) split between two different physical 
assemblies. This splitting allows more equipment design flexibility 
because one transmitter control element (the new term that the 
FCC formerly called the module firmware) could theoretically be 
interfaced with and control more than one radio front end (the 
amplifier and antenna-connecting) section.


Of course, that's just my

[WISPA] The OECD just released its broadband stats for December.

2007-04-24 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

http://www.oecd.org/document/7/0,2340,en_2649_34223_38446855_1_1_1_1,00.html

   * The breakdown of broadband technologies in December 2006 is as 
follows:

 - DSL : 62%
 - Cable modem : 29%
 - FTTH/FTTB : 7%
 - Other (e.g. satellite, fixed wireless, powerline communication) : 2%

Wireless Providers have made some improvements in market share but not 
enough to say they are a force to be reckoned with.


Canada has a lower population density than the US yet they still kicked 
butt in broadband penetration.


   Broadband penetration Population density
(subscribers per 100 inhabitants, Dec. 2006)(inhab/km2, 2005)
   Canada 23.8
   3.0
   United States19.6
32.0


More interesting facts from the link below;
http://www.oecd.org/document/7/0,2340,en_2649_34223_38446855_1_1_1_1,00.html

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps

2007-04-22 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Rick,

Can you tell me if this system you suggested is FCC Certified?

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Smith, Rick wrote:

use an XR5 (ubiquity) card as radios, with mikrotik, a 24 dbi panel on
the aesthetic end from pac wireless.
3' dish on the other end.  You'll have more than enough margin.

Don't ever ever ever use an amp on anything.  you only amplify your
problems.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 7:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps

I'm needing to do a 14-mile link at 5.8GHz.  I will have to use a
15-or-so flat panel antenna due to building owner's asthetics
requirements.  On this 8-story building, I'll mount to the side of the
masonry, then I'll have about 25 feet of LMR-400 from the antenna to a
weatherproof enclosure with 110v power.

On the other side I'll be 100' up on a tower on a hilltop, and I can use
a higher-gain antenna.

I believe I'll have to use an amplifier to achieve this.

Soo...

A) Am I incorrect about this?

B) If I'm correct, what 5GHz amps have you found to be effective?

C) Opinions on using regular or bi-directional amps?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
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Junction City, OR 97448
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Re: [WISPA] Banned from list

2007-04-20 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scriv,

Thank you.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:
I have banned [EMAIL PROTECTED] from further posts on our list and 
he will not be able to subscribe.

Scriv


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Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA

2007-04-20 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Ralph,

As quoted from the link below;
Google distributed the devices to businesses and apartment complexes 
in Mountain View that were having trouble connecting to the city's 
free wireless system.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/26/technology/pluggedin_lashinsky_google.fortune/index.htm

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


ralph wrote:

Dawn-

Google already has a Tropos network they built in Mt View.
I have seen and used it. Why would they want to do something with Meraki?

Ralph

-Original Message-
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Marlon,

Google invested in Meraki because they want to use these units to build 
out a mesh network in Mt.View.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

  


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

And why does the FCC only know about 400 WISP's? How can the FCC know 
these numbers did not come out of thin air if the number of WISP's you 
claim there are don't fill out the proper paper work and let their 
presence be known? If the majority of WISP's don't fill out the papers 
then how can you expect anyone to know these numbers are for real? Like 
I have been saying for awhile now if WISP's want to be taken seriously 
then they have to play by the same rules as all the other players. 
Considering WISP's are lumped in with satellite dish and still equal 
less than 1% of the market it is not even a blip on the radar screen. If 
there is anyone to blame for this it is not the people reporting the 
numbers.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Arrggh!

The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers.  They 
only catch the larger ones.


We're NOT behind.  Not like some like to claim we are.

Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 
of them filing the form 477.  I'll bet the real number of wisps is 
north of 6000.


Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably 
are?


grr
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- Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:52 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition



Found this on Slashdot

For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability 
Office)

have been pointing out that the way the FCC
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml  measures 
broadband
competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single 
household in
a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household 
in that
zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some 
reason

the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting to
realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp  the way they 
measure

competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical
methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far
http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml  our country is 
falling

behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability,
adoption, speed and price.'





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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

The projections for municipal wireless networks are about 300 but you 
cannot say this number will add 300 Wireless Providers to the total 
number of WISP's. Some providers of these networks could run more than 
one municipality. I am sure some of these providers are already counted 
in your figure so there would be no bearing on whether they built a 
municipal network or not.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
There were 12,000 on the rolls.  The largest single count was 6000.  I 
assumed a 75% overlap to be on the safe side.


But with a high of 6000 at ONE company, there's no way to have overlap 
on that 6000.  The real number in 2004 was somewhere around that 6000 
mark.


And for your 40% that are gone, how many new are out there that we've 
not heard about yet.


How many muni networks are out there?  They too are wisps.

laters,
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- Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband 
Competition




And that was 2004.

I'm not arguing just to argue.  This is a soapbox, so delete and move 
on if you want.


When you go to the Feds and say that there are 6000 and only 400 have 
reported, that doesn't bode well for anyone.
It makes the Feds nervous. It shines an ugly light on this so-called 
Industry.


As Powell has stated it is way easier to deal with 12 companies using 
the same platforms than 1000's using many platforms. And Gonzo and 
K-Mart feel the same way (since they take their cues from the Roving 3).
And when the gov't wants control and CALEA and surveillance and etc. 
and they can't get cooperation from this Industry, what do you think 
will happen?

They will pick up a pen and wipe it out.

But, Marlon, as I mentioned off-list, going through my Florida ISP 
database, about 40% are gone and some that are in business are not an 
ISP any longer.


- Peter

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:


Except that the SAME wisps were dealing with the top 5 or 6 vendors,
so your count is quite inflated.

Lonnie

On 4/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



In case you missed it in an earlier email.

I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them 
till

they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs.

MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive 
effort

by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two.

That help?
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Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-20 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Tim,

It's cool, I am sure you are busy with all that you do during the week.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro




Tim Wolfe wrote:
And they said Ken was to old for that kind of stuff, But I always new 
he had it in him (sorry for the late reply, I just read this now)



Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Scriv,

There will be another DiPietro around to one day troll the lists. ;-)

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:

Dawn,
Is that a hint that there is a new baby DiPietro on the way?
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


Marlon,

I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good 
luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and 
coke for me as it will be a few months before I can have any.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly 
sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that 
sits in the middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 
mile Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will 
be roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum 
and Coke.


marlon









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Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA

2007-04-19 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

Google invested in Meraki because they want to use these units to build 
out a mesh network in Mt.View.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

It's my understanding that Google is somehow involved with this product.

I'm guessing that there is some form of data mining involved with 
them. Don't know it, but I'd not be at all surprised.  And why else 
would they HAVE to phone home in order to work?  Something with them 
is fishy.  Nice units or not, I don't think I'll put them in my 
network anytime soon.


Might use them for a cheap/easy paid hotspot in some parks or 
something though.


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- Original Message - From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA


We have one installed as a free hotspot for now while we test. As a 
hotspot it is working great. The issue I have with the units is from 
what I see they MUST call home to get configuration and will not 
allow data or clients to pass until it does. Also I believe they are 
using some sort of tunnel, I can tracert from one to a public site, 
but if I try to ping one of my AP in my network or SSH into one it 
fails.


I think these would be great if we could install the control software 
on one of our servers, but I don't want any of my clients internet 
connections to be controlled by a 3rd party, or not have access 
because the Meraki site is either not available or running slow as it 
seemed to be last Friday.


Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.

- Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver 
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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA



The Meraki nodes are configured through the central web dashboard. All
payments go through Meraki, and they get their cut (I'm not sure 
what that
is). The access controls are just lists of MAC addresses to be 
allowed or

bypass the captive portal. There's no support for RADIUS.

You *could* extend a Mikrotik hotspot with Meraki, though.

On 4/19/07, Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ?

i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of
merakii (hah!)

or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ?



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[WISPA] State Lawmakers Want To Limit Internet Porn Access

2007-04-19 Thread Dawn DiPietro


http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_108212704.html
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Re: [WISPA] Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAXtechnology

2007-04-16 Thread Dawn DiPietro


Holy cow, I posted that back in December.
Thank you for the update, Patrick.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Patrick Leary wrote:

If you note the date, you can see this is a few months old. They now
have 2.5 GHz gear.

Patrick Leary
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Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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WiMAXtechnology

Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAX technology

By kpaul, Section BSU
Posted on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 11:46:47 AM EST
By Anthony Romano

MUNCIE, IN - The wireless world will be watching Ball State's Office 
of Wireless Research and Mapping (OWRM) closely as it becomes among the 
first to test and deploy WiMAX technology in the United States.


Using a six-month experimental license granted by the FCC, the OWRM is 
partnering with Alvarion and Digital Bridge Communications to test WiMAX


technology on equipment at 3.5GHz, a frequency used outside of the 
United States.


Testing is being done at this higher frequency because there is 
currently no equipment available for testing at 2.5 GHz, a frequency 
that will be used to provide broadband services such as cell phones and 
Internet in the United States in the coming months.


The goal is to find out as much about this technology as possible, and 
then begin sharing the information with others who are anxiously 
awaiting for 2.5GHz WiMAX technology to arrive, said O'Neal Smitherman,


Ball State's vice president for information technology.

Researchers from OWRM are putting the WiMAX technology through a variety

of tests in order to find out more about connectivity, throughput, 
capacity, signal strength and penetration inside the home under 
variables such as weather, trees, elevation and distance.


Smitherman says several telecommunications companies have already 
expressed interest in the test results because of valuable information 
it will provide in the future development of broadband services to more 
rural and underserved areas of the country.


Through testing and deployment over the next 90 days, we will be able 
to examine the performance of the WiMAX platform based on the IEEE 
802.16 standard, as well as have an opportunity to fine tune our GIS 
mapping capability using real data, said Smitherman. This will give us


the data needed to accurately predict and map signal coverage anywhere.

Digital Bridge Communications, a provider of broadband wireless services

to rural and underserved communities, will assist the OWRM in the 
testing and deployment of true WiMAX technology. Equipment being used 
for testing comes from Alvarion, the world's largest manufacturer of 
wireless broadband. Afterimage GIS, a company that specializes in RF 
modeling, design and market analysis will also assist in the study.
  


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Re: [WISPA] Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAXtechnology

2007-04-16 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Dee,

I find that there are so many claiming to be the first so at least they 
make it sound like it's not the same old thing, even if it is. ;-) So I 
guess claims like that have to be taken with a grain of salt in my opinion.


This is part of the reason I don't post such and such a city is putting 
up a wireless network anymore. As I like to put it yet another city is 
deploying a wifi network. It is not really newsworthy anymore unless 
they ARE doing something revolutionary.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

W.D.McKinney wrote:

So with BellSouth having Navini in 2.3GHz and ATT Alascom having Alvarion BreezeMAX, who 
was the first to have a full fledged 802.16x deployment? Among the fist is easy 
to say.

-Dee


Alaska Wireless Systems
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1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
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Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:07:53 -0800
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RE: [WISPA] Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy
WiMAXtechnology


  

If you note the date, you can see this is a few months old. They now
have 2.5 GHz gear.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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Subject: [WISPA] Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy
WiMAXtechnology

Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAX technology

By kpaul, Section BSU
Posted on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 11:46:47 AM EST
By Anthony Romano

MUNCIE, IN - The wireless world will be watching Ball State's Office 
of Wireless Research and Mapping (OWRM) closely as it becomes among the 
first to test and deploy WiMAX technology in the United States.


Using a six-month experimental license granted by the FCC, the OWRM is 
partnering with Alvarion and Digital Bridge Communications to test WiMAX


technology on equipment at 3.5GHz, a frequency used outside of the 
United States.


Testing is being done at this higher frequency because there is 
currently no equipment available for testing at 2.5 GHz, a frequency 
that will be used to provide broadband services such as cell phones and 
Internet in the United States in the coming months.


The goal is to find out as much about this technology as possible, and 
then begin sharing the information with others who are anxiously 
awaiting for 2.5GHz WiMAX technology to arrive, said O'Neal Smitherman,


Ball State's vice president for information technology.

Researchers from OWRM are putting the WiMAX technology through a variety

of tests in order to find out more about connectivity, throughput, 
capacity, signal strength and penetration inside the home under 
variables such as weather, trees, elevation and distance.


Smitherman says several telecommunications companies have already 
expressed interest in the test results because of valuable information 
it will provide in the future development of broadband services to more 
rural and underserved areas of the country.


Through testing and deployment over the next 90 days, we will be able 
to examine the performance of the WiMAX platform based on the IEEE 
802.16 standard, as well as have an opportunity to fine tune our GIS 
mapping capability using real data, said Smitherman. This will give us


the data needed to accurately predict and map signal coverage anywhere.

Digital Bridge Communications, a provider of broadband wireless services

to rural and underserved communities, will assist the OWRM in the 
testing and deployment of true WiMAX technology. Equipment being used 
for testing comes from Alvarion, the world's largest manufacturer of 
wireless broadband. Afterimage GIS, a company that specializes in RF 
modeling, design and market analysis will also assist in the study.

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Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-13 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good luck 
to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke for me 
as it will be a few months before I can have any.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny 
day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the 
middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile 
Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be 
roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke.

marlon



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Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-13 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scriv,

There will be another DiPietro around to one day troll the lists. ;-)

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:

Dawn,
Is that a hint that there is a new baby DiPietro on the way?
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


Marlon,

I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good 
luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke 
for me as it will be a few months before I can have any.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly 
sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits 
in the middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 
mile Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be 
roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and 
Coke.


marlon





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Re: [WISPA] Happy Marlon Schafer Day!

2007-04-13 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scriv,

He could have picked a better day, considering this is Friday the 13th.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:
Sounds like a good time Marlon. You have worked your tail end off 
lately. Have some fun. Enjoy YOUR day!


I hereby proclaim this day, April 13th, to be Marlon Schafer Day in 
the WISP world. Not that my proclamations mean anything!   :-)
We'll see if anyone remembers this one next year. Happy Marlon Schafer 
Day! Who knows, maybe this will spread!

Scriv


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny 
day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the 
middle of a cow pasture.


http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org   Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers.  Last year there 
were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 
mile Sunday race.


There are people here because I have made the internet available.  
It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town.  There will be 
roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900.


Wish you guys were here!  The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and 
Coke.


marlon



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Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

2007-04-08 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Ron,

I understand your concern but if you want to play in this game you have 
follow the same laws as everyone else.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Ron Wallace wrote:

To All,
Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time 
which could have been spent on your business.
However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is 
the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent 
three years there.
Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? 
Man, this scares the bejesus out of me.
ARGGG!
Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
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Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA

2007-04-06 Thread Dawn DiPietro

George,

I do understand this list does not get to see everything that goes on 
with WISPA but this also does not mean that we should see documents that 
are a work in progress with and shown as if it were a finished product. 
It could give a bad impression on potential members and make them think 
this organization does not have it's act together. As you can see with 
no updates on this document one can easily come to conclusions on what 
actually happened to this document. Either this list be kept up to date 
on progress with no input or not at all and they see the final document 
and that is it. No where in the post did the document say it was a work 
in progress.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



George Rogato wrote:

membership has it's privileges!

:) :) :)


George Rogato wrote:

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Scriv,

The only document I saw was the word doc named wispa calea fbi q 
and a which was posted to the public list on March 31. If there has 
been work done on it since then the public list did not get a chance 
to see it.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Thats right Dawn, the public list is the one with the least of the 
privileges.


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Re: [WISPA] CALEA info

2007-04-06 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

Below are just a few typos I found on this very informative WISPA CALEA FAQ.

Last paragraph section 1;
There are 2 periods at the end of the first sentence.

Section 9;
Should it be hash or Hash?

Question 2 Section 18;
Asymmetric is spelled wrong.

Last paragraph Section 18;
Can anyone tell me what is wrong with the following sentence?
This may indeed mean that you have to get a USB drive and hang it on 
the collection server They will work with us.


You are right that this document was worked on since it was posted on 
the WISPA public list and it is a bummer you missed these last few typos.


I would like to thank everyone that took time out of their already busy 
lives to get answers for the complicated questions regarding CALEA 
compliance.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

Alex has posted a lot of new CALEA info on www.isp-planet.com today.

Pay particular attention to the WISPA CALEA FAQ.  We sent a team to 
Quantico

to get answers to the common questions we saw people ask.

Hope this helps,

Marlon
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Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA

2007-04-05 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

Ok, maybe I have not seen the latest iteration of the document you 
posted to the list. The one I saw had misspellings and punctuation 
errors. So if that is not the same document I apologize. To say it was a 
bummer if you missed something is not the right attitude to take either. 
This day and age there is no reason why any document should have 
misspellings though. I have no doubts the committee worked hard on this 
issue.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Dawn,

That doc was approved for dispersal by the FBI.  There's not much in 
the way of edits that we can make without spoiling it's FBI approved 
status.


And we did proof it.  Many times.  If we missed something that's a 
bummer. But it certainly doesn't take anything away from the content 
or it's accuracy.  The team worked very hard to get this info together 
and they deserve lot of attaboys not nit picking.


marlon

- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Marlon,

I am not on the WISPA FCC Committee and this should have been done 
before it got posted to the list to begin with. Either this committee 
has the time to do the job right or not at all. If something is done 
half assed then it will show in the finished product.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Grin.  As well as we can with the time available.

If you see things that need to be fixed, please let us know.

thanks,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator 
since 1999!

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- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Marlon,

I do hope it was proofread and edited before it was posted to the 
website.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I've asked that it be posted to the FCC committee part of the 
wispa site. When I get a link I'll pass it along.


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Adam Greene 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Marlon,

All I can say is, this is great. Thanks so much to you guys (and 
gal) for
doing this work. For me, this CALEA safe harbor work you are 
doing alone
makes me feel justified in paying to be a member of WISPA. I 
probably would
not even have become conscious in a serious way of CALEA without 
the help of
WISPA. I expect our dues don't even cover your expenses for this 
work, so

all I can say is thanks.

Question: have you considered posting this document on the WISPA 
website so
that we can publish links to it? For example, I'd like to share 
this info
with opencalea.org mailing list; I think it would benefit them 
and the

larger community.

Also thanks to Clint for his recent posts, in particular the 
contact info of

the fellow at the FBI who we can work with to test our compliance.

Best regards,
Adam


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- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Hi All,

As many of you know, WISPA sent a team to Quantico to talk to 
the FBI's
CALEA team first hand.  We went down with a compilation of most 
of the

questions that people had asked on all of the lists we could find.

Here are the main questions and answers as worked out between 
WISPs and

the
FBI's CALEA team.

As you can see, there is NO reason to panic.  There is NO data 
storage
requirement other than what's needed to deal with the specific 
warrant.
There is no requirement to use an expensive TTP solution etc.  
Heck, they

won't even toss you in jail for that free open hotspot you have!

I hope people sleep better after having read this.  Special 
thanks to

Mike,
Eric, Martha, Brent and Marty for all of the hours and hours and 
hours

that
they have put into this doc.  Not to mention the money and time 
they put
into the trip to Virginia!  Great job guys (and gal), many many 
thanks.


The deadline to be compliant is coming up in May.  There are a 
couple of
mechanisms that look like they'll allow you guys to be compliant 
very
quickly and without going broke in the process.  Image Stream 
has been
deeply involved with this and a couple of other efforts that 
WISPA is
working on in regards to CALEA.  As is Butch Evens.  Both have

Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA

2007-04-05 Thread Dawn DiPietro

George,

I was kidding. Marlon is a great guy, we may not agree on everything but 
that does not mean I think any less of him. I have no intention of 
signing up for the WISPA FCC Committee so I can vent. If anyone here 
feels I would do a thing like that then maybe this is the wrong list for 
me to be on.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



George Rogato wrote:

Marlon is a good guy.
Does a nice job with the fcc stuff with the limited help he can get.

I think his only concerns with the fcc committee is probably making 
sure the members actually have knowledge that they can contribute, 
rather than a venting list.


Anyone who has interest, just get with Marlon and he'll talk to you 
about it.




Dawn DiPietro wrote:


Oh great...now you tell me. ;-)


George Rogato wrote:

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

George,

Sign me up and I will help where I can.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Anyone who has interest in the fcc committee has to go through 
Marlon who chairs that committee.



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Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA

2007-04-05 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Scriv,

The only document I saw was the word doc named wispa calea fbi q and a 
which was posted to the public list on March 31. If there has been work 
done on it since then the public list did not get a chance to see it.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


John Scrivner wrote:

Dawn,
Let's get constructive about this please. I saw this document edited, 
debated, discussed and refined continuously several times by several 
people over at the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. This document was not a 
flippant attempt at resolving the issues. It was the culmination of a 
great deal of work by many people here and I applaud the effort. Dawn, 
please send us a post with the document you saw the errors in and 
comment where changes are needed and we will make them.

Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


Marlon,

Ok, maybe I have not seen the latest iteration of the document you 
posted to the list. The one I saw had misspellings and punctuation 
errors. So if that is not the same document I apologize. To say it 
was a bummer if you missed something is not the right attitude to 
take either. This day and age there is no reason why any document 
should have misspellings though. I have no doubts the committee 
worked hard on this issue.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Marlon K. Schafer wrote:


Dawn,

That doc was approved for dispersal by the FBI.  There's not much in 
the way of edits that we can make without spoiling it's FBI approved 
status.


And we did proof it.  Many times.  If we missed something that's a 
bummer. But it certainly doesn't take anything away from the content 
or it's accuracy.  The team worked very hard to get this info 
together and they deserve lot of attaboys not nit picking.


marlon

- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Marlon,

I am not on the WISPA FCC Committee and this should have been done 
before it got posted to the list to begin with. Either this 
committee has the time to do the job right or not at all. If 
something is done half assed then it will show in the finished 
product.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Grin.  As well as we can with the time available.

If you see things that need to be fixed, please let us know.

thanks,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator 
since 1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Marlon,

I do hope it was proofread and edited before it was posted to the 
website.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

I've asked that it be posted to the FCC committee part of the 
wispa site. When I get a link I'll pass it along.


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Adam Greene 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Marlon,

All I can say is, this is great. Thanks so much to you guys 
(and gal) for
doing this work. For me, this CALEA safe harbor work you are 
doing alone
makes me feel justified in paying to be a member of WISPA. I 
probably would
not even have become conscious in a serious way of CALEA 
without the help of
WISPA. I expect our dues don't even cover your expenses for 
this work, so

all I can say is thanks.

Question: have you considered posting this document on the 
WISPA website so
that we can publish links to it? For example, I'd like to share 
this info
with opencalea.org mailing list; I think it would benefit them 
and the

larger community.

Also thanks to Clint for his recent posts, in particular the 
contact info of

the fellow at the FBI who we can work with to test our compliance.

Best regards,
Adam


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http://www.webjogger.net
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- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Hi All,

As many of you know, WISPA sent a team to Quantico to talk to 
the FBI's
CALEA team first hand.  We went down with a compilation of 
most of the
questions that people had asked on all of the lists we could 
find.


Here are the main questions and answers as worked out between 
WISPs and

the
FBI's CALEA team.

As you can see, there is NO reason to panic.  There is NO data 
storage
requirement other than what's needed to deal with the specific 
warrant

Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows)

2007-04-04 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Mac,

Ken is speaking at ISPCON and we are both going to be there.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Mac Dearman wrote:

Dawn,

Are you and Ken going to ISPCON?


Mac Dearman

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows)

All,

I have been working on that very issue for the last few weeks and will 
keep you all posted.
There are a ton of choices of restaurants north of the conference hotel 
about 2 miles on
International Drive but I have no prior experience with the area so some 
input from Peter

would definitely be in order. A few places have complimentary shuttles. ;-)

Suggestions from those who might be attending would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Sam Tetherow wrote:
  
Now I really wish I could make it in May with Peter planning the extra 
curricular.
Honestly, I would avoid the poker as it really does kill the 
conversation for the most part.
An organized dinner as well as finding a decent bar that is within 
walking distance of most of the hotels, both announced prior to the 
conference would probably help to get more people together after hours.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Peter R. wrote:

I'll tell you what...  I'll actually put a social schedule together 
for the event.

A dinner, some poker, a peer to peer.
And if anyone wants it, hit me up in May.
(Don't forget to send in why you should get a free pass).

Also, if you are bringing the family and want help with where to 
stay, what to do, etc. Hit me up off-list.

Condos and homes (3BR/2BA) are available for rent in Orlando reasonably.

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.

Jeff Broadwick wrote:

  

That might not be all bad!  :-)
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows)

The poker game would have been a lot better if someone would have 
had actual

chips. ;)

It may be that I knew fewer people at that last 2 ISPCONs but it 
seemed to
me that the WISPCON folks do a lot more socializing than the ISPCON 
crowd

does.

   Sam Tetherow
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Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA

2007-04-04 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

I do hope it was proofread and edited before it was posted to the website.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I've asked that it be posted to the FCC committee part of the wispa 
site. When I get a link I'll pass it along.


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Marlon,

All I can say is, this is great. Thanks so much to you guys (and gal) 
for

doing this work. For me, this CALEA safe harbor work you are doing alone
makes me feel justified in paying to be a member of WISPA. I probably 
would
not even have become conscious in a serious way of CALEA without the 
help of
WISPA. I expect our dues don't even cover your expenses for this 
work, so

all I can say is thanks.

Question: have you considered posting this document on the WISPA 
website so
that we can publish links to it? For example, I'd like to share this 
info

with opencalea.org mailing list; I think it would benefit them and the
larger community.

Also thanks to Clint for his recent posts, in particular the contact 
info of

the fellow at the FBI who we can work with to test our compliance.

Best regards,
Adam


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http://www.webjogger.net
(845) 757-4000 x134





- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Hi All,

As many of you know, WISPA sent a team to Quantico to talk to the FBI's
CALEA team first hand.  We went down with a compilation of most of the
questions that people had asked on all of the lists we could find.

Here are the main questions and answers as worked out between WISPs and
the
FBI's CALEA team.

As you can see, there is NO reason to panic.  There is NO data storage
requirement other than what's needed to deal with the specific warrant.
There is no requirement to use an expensive TTP solution etc.  Heck, 
they

won't even toss you in jail for that free open hotspot you have!

I hope people sleep better after having read this.  Special thanks to
Mike,
Eric, Martha, Brent and Marty for all of the hours and hours and hours
that
they have put into this doc.  Not to mention the money and time they 
put

into the trip to Virginia!  Great job guys (and gal), many many thanks.

The deadline to be compliant is coming up in May.  There are a 
couple of

mechanisms that look like they'll allow you guys to be compliant very
quickly and without going broke in the process.  Image Stream has been
deeply involved with this and a couple of other efforts that WISPA is
working on in regards to CALEA.  As is Butch Evens.  Both have 
solutions
that should work for folks if you get a warrant issued before the 
rest of

the things we're working on are finished up.

I'll release more info on what we're doing at the association level as
soon
as I can.  Please know though, we have some very bright people deeply
involved in things related to CALEA and it's impact on our businesses.
The
next phases will take several months though.

Sincerely,
Marlon K. Schafer
FCC Committee Chairman
www.wispa.org




 





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Re: [WISPA] Orlando

2007-04-04 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

Below is a link to the first review I came across on Maggiano’s Little 
Italy. To summarize, the restaurant critic mentions that the pasta was 
waterlogged and the desserts were ok but not great. Maybe he was just 
having a bad night. ;-) There are a couple of other Italian restaurants 
in the area but they are pricey.


http://orlandocitybeat.metromix.com/restaurants/orlent-restaurants-dinner-maggiano-s,0,7310723.story?coll=orlnatent-rest-headlines

Peter do you have any thoughts on this? Have you had a different 
experience with this restaurant?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Peter R. wrote:

I'll take Sam's advice and pre-plan.

Couple of notes:

The ISPCON is at the Rosen Centre Hotel @ 9840 International Drive, 
Orlando, Florida 32819, not to be confused with the Rosen Plaza Hotel 
@ 9700 International Drive. Use Kayak.com to find your best room rate 
near here.


There are two entertainment spots within 2 miles on International 
Drive: Pointe Orlando (http://www.pointeorlando.com/) and the Mercado. 
(There's a trolley available on International Drive, but traffic is so 
deep, walking can be faster).


How about dinner on May 23 at Maggiano’s Little Italy? After dinner 
there are many bars available in the Pointe Orlando complex. (On May 
24 is ISP-CEO).


Why attend the show? The exhibits and the education. Lots of case 
studies are being lined up for this one.


Hope to see you there. RSVP for the dinner so I can save a private room.

Regards,

Peter


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


All,

I have been working on that very issue for the last few weeks and 
will keep you all posted.
There are a ton of choices of restaurants north of the conference 
hotel about 2 miles on
International Drive but I have no prior experience with the area so 
some input from Peter
would definitely be in order. A few places have complimentary 
shuttles. ;-)


Suggestions from those who might be attending would be greatly 
appreciated.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Sam Tetherow wrote:

Now I really wish I could make it in May with Peter planning the 
extra curricular.
Honestly, I would avoid the poker as it really does kill the 
conversation for the most part.
An organized dinner as well as finding a decent bar that is within 
walking distance of most of the hotels, both announced prior to the 
conference would probably help to get more people together after hours.


Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless




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Re: [WISPA] Orlando

2007-04-04 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Charles,

Thank you for your sharing your experience with the list.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Charles Wu wrote:

Maggiono's is a fun place to go to
Bring a minimum of 4 people so you can qualify for the family dinner --
and then make sure you bring your appetite =)

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orlando

All,

Below is a link to the first review I came across on Maggiano's Little
Italy. To summarize, the restaurant critic mentions that the pasta was
waterlogged and the desserts were ok but not great. Maybe he was just
having a bad night. ;-) There are a couple of other Italian restaurants
in the area but they are pricey.

http://orlandocitybeat.metromix.com/restaurants/orlent-restaurants-dinne
r-maggiano-s,0,7310723.story?coll=orlnatent-rest-headlines

Peter do you have any thoughts on this? Have you had a different
experience with this restaurant?

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Peter R. wrote:
  

I'll take Sam's advice and pre-plan.

Couple of notes:

The ISPCON is at the Rosen Centre Hotel @ 9840 International Drive, 
Orlando, Florida 32819, not to be confused with the Rosen Plaza Hotel 
@ 9700 International Drive. Use Kayak.com to find your best room rate 
near here.


There are two entertainment spots within 2 miles on International
Drive: Pointe Orlando (http://www.pointeorlando.com/) and the Mercado.



  

(There's a trolley available on International Drive, but traffic is so



  

deep, walking can be faster).

How about dinner on May 23 at Maggiano's Little Italy? After dinner 
there are many bars available in the Pointe Orlando complex. (On May

24 is ISP-CEO).

Why attend the show? The exhibits and the education. Lots of case 
studies are being lined up for this one.


Hope to see you there. RSVP for the dinner so I can save a private


room.
  

Regards,

Peter


Dawn DiPietro wrote:



All,

I have been working on that very issue for the last few weeks and 
will keep you all posted.
There are a ton of choices of restaurants north of the conference 
hotel about 2 miles on International Drive but I have no prior 
experience with the area so some input from Peter would definitely be
  


  

in order. A few places have complimentary shuttles. ;-)

Suggestions from those who might be attending would be greatly 
appreciated.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Sam Tetherow wrote:

  
Now I really wish I could make it in May with Peter planning the 
extra curricular.
Honestly, I would avoid the poker as it really does kill the 
conversation for the most part.
An organized dinner as well as finding a decent bar that is within 
walking distance of most of the hotels, both announced prior to the 
conference would probably help to get more people together after


hours.
  

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Sandhills Wireless



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Re: [WISPA] Orlando

2007-04-04 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Peter,

You are so right about critics and that is why I asked what your 
thoughts were. Thank you! As far as I know we plan to attend.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Peter R. wrote:
Maggiano's isn't the best Italian restaurant, but we have eaten at the 
Tampa one a number of times.
It works best for groups, since you can get the family style - and 
bottomless dishes.


Remember this about reviews: People are more likely to complain than 
compliment.


I suggested Maggiano's because it was close, relatively inexpensive, 
and everyone leaves full.


Peter

Dawn DiPietro wrote:


All,

Below is a link to the first review I came across on Maggiano’s 
Little Italy. To summarize, the restaurant critic mentions that the 
pasta was waterlogged and the desserts were ok but not great. Maybe 
he was just having a bad night. ;-) There are a couple of other 
Italian restaurants in the area but they are pricey.


http://orlandocitybeat.metromix.com/restaurants/orlent-restaurants-dinner-maggiano-s,0,7310723.story?coll=orlnatent-rest-headlines 



Peter do you have any thoughts on this? Have you had a different 
experience with this restaurant?


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Peter R. wrote:


I'll take Sam's advice and pre-plan.

Couple of notes:

The ISPCON is at the Rosen Centre Hotel @ 9840 International Drive, 
Orlando, Florida 32819, not to be confused with the Rosen Plaza 
Hotel @ 9700 International Drive. Use Kayak.com to find your best 
room rate near here.


There are two entertainment spots within 2 miles on International 
Drive: Pointe Orlando (http://www.pointeorlando.com/) and the 
Mercado. (There's a trolley available on International Drive, but 
traffic is so deep, walking can be faster).


How about dinner on May 23 at Maggiano’s Little Italy? After dinner 
there are many bars available in the Pointe Orlando complex. (On May 
24 is ISP-CEO).


Why attend the show? The exhibits and the education. Lots of case 
studies are being lined up for this one.


Hope to see you there. RSVP for the dinner so I can save a private 
room.


Regards,

Peter




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Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA

2007-04-04 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Marlon,

I am not on the WISPA FCC Committee and this should have been done 
before it got posted to the list to begin with. Either this committee 
has the time to do the job right or not at all. If something is done 
half assed then it will show in the finished product.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Grin.  As well as we can with the time available.

If you see things that need to be fixed, please let us know.

thanks,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Marlon,

I do hope it was proofread and edited before it was posted to the 
website.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I've asked that it be posted to the FCC committee part of the wispa 
site. When I get a link I'll pass it along.


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Adam Greene 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Marlon,

All I can say is, this is great. Thanks so much to you guys (and 
gal) for
doing this work. For me, this CALEA safe harbor work you are doing 
alone
makes me feel justified in paying to be a member of WISPA. I 
probably would
not even have become conscious in a serious way of CALEA without 
the help of
WISPA. I expect our dues don't even cover your expenses for this 
work, so

all I can say is thanks.

Question: have you considered posting this document on the WISPA 
website so
that we can publish links to it? For example, I'd like to share 
this info

with opencalea.org mailing list; I think it would benefit them and the
larger community.

Also thanks to Clint for his recent posts, in particular the 
contact info of

the fellow at the FBI who we can work with to test our compliance.

Best regards,
Adam


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Webjogger Internet Services
http://www.webjogger.net
(845) 757-4000 x134





- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Hi All,

As many of you know, WISPA sent a team to Quantico to talk to the 
FBI's
CALEA team first hand.  We went down with a compilation of most of 
the

questions that people had asked on all of the lists we could find.

Here are the main questions and answers as worked out between 
WISPs and

the
FBI's CALEA team.

As you can see, there is NO reason to panic.  There is NO data 
storage
requirement other than what's needed to deal with the specific 
warrant.
There is no requirement to use an expensive TTP solution etc.  
Heck, they

won't even toss you in jail for that free open hotspot you have!

I hope people sleep better after having read this.  Special thanks to
Mike,
Eric, Martha, Brent and Marty for all of the hours and hours and 
hours

that
they have put into this doc.  Not to mention the money and time 
they put
into the trip to Virginia!  Great job guys (and gal), many many 
thanks.


The deadline to be compliant is coming up in May.  There are a 
couple of

mechanisms that look like they'll allow you guys to be compliant very
quickly and without going broke in the process.  Image Stream has 
been

deeply involved with this and a couple of other efforts that WISPA is
working on in regards to CALEA.  As is Butch Evens.  Both have 
solutions
that should work for folks if you get a warrant issued before the 
rest of

the things we're working on are finished up.

I'll release more info on what we're doing at the association 
level as

soon
as I can.  Please know though, we have some very bright people deeply
involved in things related to CALEA and it's impact on our 
businesses.

The
next phases will take several months though.

Sincerely,
Marlon K. Schafer
FCC Committee Chairman
www.wispa.org




 






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Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA

2007-04-04 Thread Dawn DiPietro

George,

Sign me up and I will help where I can.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


George Rogato wrote:

We need more help on the fcc committee.

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Marlon,

I am not on the WISPA FCC Committee and this should have been done 
before it got posted to the list to begin with. Either this committee 
has the time to do the job right or not at all. If something is done 
half assed then it will show in the finished product.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Grin.  As well as we can with the time available.

If you see things that need to be fixed, please let us know.

thanks,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator 
since 1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Marlon,

I do hope it was proofread and edited before it was posted to the 
website.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I've asked that it be posted to the FCC committee part of the 
wispa site. When I get a link I'll pass it along.


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Adam Greene 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Marlon,

All I can say is, this is great. Thanks so much to you guys (and 
gal) for
doing this work. For me, this CALEA safe harbor work you are 
doing alone
makes me feel justified in paying to be a member of WISPA. I 
probably would
not even have become conscious in a serious way of CALEA without 
the help of
WISPA. I expect our dues don't even cover your expenses for this 
work, so

all I can say is thanks.

Question: have you considered posting this document on the WISPA 
website so
that we can publish links to it? For example, I'd like to share 
this info
with opencalea.org mailing list; I think it would benefit them 
and the

larger community.

Also thanks to Clint for his recent posts, in particular the 
contact info of

the fellow at the FBI who we can work with to test our compliance.

Best regards,
Adam


---
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VP, Operations
Webjogger Internet Services
http://www.webjogger.net
(845) 757-4000 x134





- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA



Hi All,

As many of you know, WISPA sent a team to Quantico to talk to 
the FBI's
CALEA team first hand.  We went down with a compilation of most 
of the

questions that people had asked on all of the lists we could find.

Here are the main questions and answers as worked out between 
WISPs and

the
FBI's CALEA team.

As you can see, there is NO reason to panic.  There is NO data 
storage
requirement other than what's needed to deal with the specific 
warrant.
There is no requirement to use an expensive TTP solution etc.  
Heck, they

won't even toss you in jail for that free open hotspot you have!

I hope people sleep better after having read this.  Special 
thanks to

Mike,
Eric, Martha, Brent and Marty for all of the hours and hours and 
hours

that
they have put into this doc.  Not to mention the money and time 
they put
into the trip to Virginia!  Great job guys (and gal), many many 
thanks.


The deadline to be compliant is coming up in May.  There are a 
couple of
mechanisms that look like they'll allow you guys to be compliant 
very
quickly and without going broke in the process.  Image Stream 
has been
deeply involved with this and a couple of other efforts that 
WISPA is
working on in regards to CALEA.  As is Butch Evens.  Both have 
solutions
that should work for folks if you get a warrant issued before 
the rest of

the things we're working on are finished up.

I'll release more info on what we're doing at the association 
level as

soon
as I can.  Please know though, we have some very bright people 
deeply
involved in things related to CALEA and it's impact on our 
businesses.

The
next phases will take several months though.

Sincerely,
Marlon K. Schafer
FCC Committee Chairman
www.wispa.org




 






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Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA

2007-04-04 Thread Dawn DiPietro


Oh great...now you tell me. ;-)


George Rogato wrote:

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

George,

Sign me up and I will help where I can.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Anyone who has interest in the fcc committee has to go through Marlon 
who chairs that committee.



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Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows)

2007-04-04 Thread Dawn DiPietro

Frank,

It will be a pleasure to see you again also. I am sure this will be a 
great show.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Frank Muto wrote:

Dawn,
Looking forward to seeing the two of you again as well as everyone 
else. I will be in the LaunchPad Pavilion (J) promoting our Secure 
Email Plus with our partner provider Postini.




Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
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- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Mac,

Ken is speaking at ISPCON and we are both going to be there.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Mac Dearman wrote:

Dawn,

Are you and Ken going to ISPCON?


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Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows)

2007-04-03 Thread Dawn DiPietro

All,

I have been working on that very issue for the last few weeks and will 
keep you all posted.
There are a ton of choices of restaurants north of the conference hotel 
about 2 miles on
International Drive but I have no prior experience with the area so some 
input from Peter

would definitely be in order. A few places have complimentary shuttles. ;-)

Suggestions from those who might be attending would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Sam Tetherow wrote:
Now I really wish I could make it in May with Peter planning the extra 
curricular.
Honestly, I would avoid the poker as it really does kill the 
conversation for the most part.
An organized dinner as well as finding a decent bar that is within 
walking distance of most of the hotels, both announced prior to the 
conference would probably help to get more people together after hours.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Peter R. wrote:
I'll tell you what...  I'll actually put a social schedule together 
for the event.

A dinner, some poker, a peer to peer.
And if anyone wants it, hit me up in May.
(Don't forget to send in why you should get a free pass).

Also, if you are bringing the family and want help with where to 
stay, what to do, etc. Hit me up off-list.

Condos and homes (3BR/2BA) are available for rent in Orlando reasonably.

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.

Jeff Broadwick wrote:


That might not be all bad!  :-)
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows)

The poker game would have been a lot better if someone would have 
had actual

chips. ;)

It may be that I knew fewer people at that last 2 ISPCONs but it 
seemed to
me that the WISPCON folks do a lot more socializing than the ISPCON 
crowd

does.

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