Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

2010-06-19 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Possible but don't quit believe so since 900MHz GSM uses 890-914Mhz for
uplink (cell to base station), and 921-960Mhz for download (basestation to
cell). That strong signal wouldn't come from cells and the basestation would
just ruin the top part of the frequency. Maritime cell systems I seen don't
offer 3G type services and GSM gprs/edge channel size is 200khz. 4G will
have 4 to 20MHz dynamic channel size. 

Would really need to verify that the signal for sure is coming from the ship
and not somewhere else. 
If that is the case maybe look at getting hold of someone from the ship to
check with them what it might be. Don’t forget to shut down your own AP
while you run the SA at the AP location to avoid false readings and make
sure it's not actually something newly installed at that location. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 1:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

Plug the damn hole! - lol! Sorry, I couldnt help it :)
Since it's a UK ship, I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
http://www.eubusiness.com/topics/telecoms/mobile-ships.01/

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 8:14 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
 We've got a 700' drilling ship moored about a mile off our coast for a
 few days for repairs.

 http://www.stena-drilling.com/sub.asp?m=drillingp=stenaforth

 Since it came in, 900mhz within a couple miles of it has stopped
 working. We went out with the spectrum analyser after the Alvarion
 software spectrum analyzer went off the charts. The HP spectrum analyzer
 with a 9dbi yagi was picking up big fat gaussian shaped signals at -20
 to -25dbm about 10-15mhz wide in the middle. I sent my guys to a second
 location with the spectrum analyzer just to make sure they weren't
 seeing local interfernce and they saw the same thing. A legal amount of
 power output would cause it to come in at about -50.

 Anyone else seen such strange stuff coming from this type of ship? I've
 never seen any trouble from any ship ever, though this is the first
 drilling ship to visit our area.


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Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-15 Thread Eje Gustafsson
The metal cap adds a whooping 1.2dB really not worth bothering with IMO.
Only reason they provide it is because people where used to the Andrew dish
that basically requires it the Andrew dishs suffers greatly without the
metal cap. 

For some time now the bigger Pac (Laird) grids all are shipping with a much
more heavy duty L bracket then the old ones. 
I had a FCC certification lab test out one of the 24dB's about 2 years back
and according to them the unit did measure in very close to 24dB.

The linked feedhorn and grid is a Pac 5GHz grid so if used on 2.4GHz I'm
amazed that you get the gain out of the solution consider the feed is NOT
designed for 2.4GHz.  

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..

Oh I do not do ANY 2.4 ghz links other then APs for houses or small
groups of houses (IE Picos now). (ok I have 3 users left on 2.4) The
Pacs with the cheap metal clip on tip are CRAP. I can not express the
horribleness of those enough. The ones like I linked, are great, and
are on par with 2ft solid dish's (obviously not the same gain, but
they do not bounce in the wind or act funny or lose the tip and really
start going wonky) and the links stay with in 2db as the wind blows.
The others drop 10db or more in mild wind. I have been replacing the
feeds with the ones from that link and it makes all the difference.
The mount from the old one is the standard Pac mount that they use on
pretty much everything. This one, is the same but made of thicker
metal. Both work well, and the units are better with the new feeds.
Add a bullet and its a very nice link that works great. I have about a
dozen of the old ones left that will be replaced with NanoBridges as I
move everything over to AirMax.  Yup wasted time/money on the cheap
grid, now buying the better one.


On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
 Those are 5 gig.  I decided NOT to go the cheap route on any 5 gig systems
 out here.

 I'm looking for 2.4 gig grids that are of good/great quality.

 I've been paying around $100 for a 24dB grid and it doesn't bother me a
 bit.

 Here's a tip for you guys that go dirt cheap on everything and then
complain
 about the time you spend.

 My network is now bigger than the entire state of Connecticut.  We have
over
 600 wireless subs and a couple of hundred other customers.  I take care of
 it all with the equivalent of 2.5 people!

 Don't go too cheap.  It'll cost you time and reputation in the end.

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..


 http://shop.wirelessguys.com/s.nl/it.A/id.4188/.f?sc=13category=3529

 Those have a very heavy mount and the expected gain. The ones with the
 cheap metal clip on can go right up the designers back side. Seriously
 poor design on those. I have replaced most of the feeds with the same
 feeds as the linked one.

 On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 wrote:
 I've always hated the Pac grids.

 They are heavy and have flimsy mounts. And they seem to have 2 to 3 dB
 LESS
 rssi than others I've used.

 I've always spent the money to buy the Andrew (or whatever they are this
 week) units. Those aren't made anymore though. Anyone know of a
comparable
 product?

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..


 Then get a grid and slap it on. I have two parts for small or big
 links. I use the Pac grids.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote:
 Not as big an antenna though, CPQ-15's you should compare with PS2's if
 anything, they work about the same in the field on receive.

 Regards
 Michael Baird
 An NS2 is $80 list.

 I think most will agree it is superior, too.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 wrote:

 $100

 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that
 gain
 (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even
 less.
 Why buy old/used Wifi?
 Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used.

 Good luck with liquidating, but 

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Eje Gustafsson
All, instead of just bitching here why not go to Googles product ideas and
submit a idea to remove the background or at least give an option to remove
it. Or vote on some of the hundreds of ideas that suggested the very same.
http://productideas.appspot.com/#e=127061

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:25 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

I do the same thing here as well.  Add Google as the search and delete Bing
from the list.  Started out as a Just Because We Hate Microsoft but now
that the Bing reviews are out, looks like the best choice anyhow.

Bob-

How's come Bing Crosby hasn't come back from the dead to sue Microsoft for
use of his name?  Hey, if Spike Lee can sue the Spike cable channel, Bing
can sue Bing  It's not just a search engine, it's a search
engine trying to profit from the good name a reputation of an early to mid
20th century crooner.

 



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:18 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 09:07, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote:
 Probably talking about the built in one with FF.

Exactly.

Or, in Google Chrome, the address bar doubles as a search box - which
is one less thing for customers to mess up.

Heck, Internet Explorer 7 and 8 come with one built-in, and the first
thing I always do when working on a customer's computer is switch it
from Live/Bing to Google, unless they specifically ask otherwise.

(I've been tempted to point those search boxes to our in-house Google
referral link, so we get a percentage of any ad revenue, but that's
kinda shady and probably against Google's TOS anyway.)

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread Eje Gustafsson
S corp here as well. Why. Well because our CPA and our financial advisor
deemed due to our nature and size of our business it was considerably more
beneficial for us to be a S corp then being an LLC or C corp. It was a hard
draw between S corp or C corp but due to some of the paperwork etc for C
corp the CPA recommended S corp and the financial advisor was ok with C but
would have preferred to see C corp status. Both agreed that for us and in
the state of Kansas it was in our best interest to be a Corporation (S or C
really didn't matter they both had their advantages and disadvantages)
instead of LLC or partnership. 

Neither me nor anyone else on this list can tell what you should be so as
Travis say you really need to check with your accountant. Lot is going to
depend on many different things, state regulations, state taxations,
structure, business type, revenue, profit and ownership structure. The more
your accountant/CPA/financial advisor knows about your business the better
they will be able to recommend for you and what perks/disadvantages there is
to each option. 

When selecting a accountant/CPA/financial advisor it's important you select
someone that knows the regulations and registration requirements for YOUR
state. Each CPA/financial advisor is generally only allowed to provide
service in a specific set of states for which they have passed testing
requirements (very much like a lawyer, just because you're a lawyer doesn't
mean you're allowed to practice in any and all states)

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It 
provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also 
allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a 
sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.).

Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only 
ones that can give you exact information.

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote:
 Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but
 I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm
 curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as
 a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering
 switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem
 worth all the hassle.
 Thanks!

 On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
wrote:
   
 I'm with Travis on this one.  Sometimes we take the entire hit at once,
 other times we spread it out.  It kind of depends on what we need for
 deductions and what the equipment is.

 Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is
really
 good.  The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good
one.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes


 
 Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to
 what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look
 at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now
 than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong.

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
   
 This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of
our
 equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax
 breaks you need now vs. later.

 Travis
 Microserv


 RickG wrote:
 
 Everyone's favorite subject :)

 I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to
 know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you
 expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP 
 CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc.
 With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much
 sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any
 WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason?

 Thanks in advance! -RickG





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Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave tools for LMR 400...

2010-05-17 Thread Eje Gustafsson
They are nice sure, but consider how expensive the connectors are I go with
regular connector. Even if that means I have to do two crimps and have to
mess with the center pin. Not crimped a cable in the field for years thanks
to PoE occasionally need a jumper and mostly just use premade jumpers and in
the rare instances build a custom length. Don't even have connectors or coax
spools in the install van any longer. But have a variety of different length
of coax cables. 

The stripper tool is great. Crimper you can use just about any crimpers and
the deburring tool I got one don't use it, don't need it for center pins you
crimp. Or just use a $5 file. 

Tessco got all the brand parts. We got the crimp handles and dies if you
want to save some. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Times Microwave tools for LMR 400...

I am looking for the following:
EZ-400-NMH-D Connector
CCT-01 Tool (cutter)
ST-400EZ tool (cable Prep tool)
DBT-U (deburr tool)
HX4 Tool (crimp tool)

Separately or in a kit...

Does anyone have a favorite Vendor? I saw one vendor selling a kit for
LMR400/600 with all of the above parts. They wanted over $1000 for it!

The 'EZ-Crimp connectors look like the way to go, but other advice is
appreciated.

ryan




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[WISPA] Small ISP Wins US $2.6Million in Spam Case

2010-05-12 Thread Eje Gustafsson
--Small ISP Wins US $2.6 Million in Spam Case (May 6  7, 2010) A US
District Court in California has awarded Asis Internet Services nearly US
$2.6 million for spam messages sent over the Internet service provider's
(ISP) network between November 2006 and May 2008.  The ISP has approximately
1,500 customers; the spam caused Asis to lose business and incur costs
associated with fixing the problem.  The judge awarded Asis US $865,000, but
tripled the damages because of aggravated circumstances.  The defendants,
the principals of a business called Find a Quote, were found to have
violated 2003's CAN-SPAM Act.

http://www.scmagazineus.com/california-isp-wins-26m-judgment-against-spammer
s/article/169696/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/06/spam_judgment/

 




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Re: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar products

2010-04-20 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Unless your set on a Linux platform smartermail is a excellent platform,
fairly affordable and very good functionalities and features as close to
enterprise type software without being considered enterprise. 
If you're looking for Linux only solution then qmail-toaster is an excellent
Opensource platform with excellent functions and capabilities, easy to
install and maintain. Qmail-toaster is what we tend to install on our Linux
virtual servers for our clients. 

/ Eje
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:10 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar products

Hi All,

I am giving a look to some email server in-house applications. One is
atmail (atmail.com) which is a rebranded-zimbra (or it looks to be
similar).

They have an ISP license, so I was thinking that maybe you can tell me
your success/horror stories with in-house products.

At the moment I am not thinking of hosted services, so the in-house
looks the only solution.

Suggestions are very welcome ;)


-- 


Ing. Paolo Di Francesco

Teleinform s.r.l.
Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo)
Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
Fax: +39-091-6406200

http://www.wikitel.it
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Funnies

2010-04-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtPvv4IS7HY

Some people have too much time on their hands. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steven Barnes
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Friday Funnies

Guys and Gals it's been a long week and I need a good laugh.

Anyone got a Friday funny worth its weight?

Steve




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Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
We taken the other route. My son got his own domain, he got his own e-mail
for his domain. Allowed him a Facebook account he have to have us as friends
and we know the password. I get a copy (unknown by him) of any e-mails going
to his e-mail account. We had the talk about proper online behavior such as
never to share contact information such as address and phone number. 
He got his own netbook and itouch used to be limited what he could do by a
software but it had so much flaws we disabled it (windows account is a
limited account so can't install software). The router (mikrotik) logs the
addresses he is visiting thanks to webproxy setup. On the itouch he do not
have setup so he can install programs himself but he will ask and so far
only been one app we wouldn't install (comic reader that could access as
adult type comics and explained to him why wouldn't allow that one but found
another software that would allow comic access but without adult content). 

So far so good. Daughter also got her own netbook but still using the
software on it and it works best for her for now because it simplifies
things on it for her. 

We tried the other way around with the older kids and it didn't work to
great to be honest and was why the webproxy got setup in the first place and
wish that XP been the OS back then so we could have given them limited
access to windows but that was back in the days of 98. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com
Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

Hi All,

Here's the scenario.  My kids are expressly forbidden from having email 
addresses outside my domain.  They are forbidden from having myspace, 
facebook etc. sites.

If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on.

If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can 
delete things from.

I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might 
bite them in the butt later.  The days of people eventually forgetting the 
stupidity of youth or passion are long gone.

Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account.  He used a hotmail email 
address to get it.  He had permission to use neither of them.  I finally 
found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been 
saying.  His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got

the password out of him and when I had time to check on it.  (I didn't know 
that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and

work on his page, talk to his friends etc.  deep sigh)

So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted

information.  I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had 
no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden 
from me.  I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address.

They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue.  However 
they flatly refused to provide me with any information!  They had NO 
proof of age etc. on the account.  Nothing to verify that the child was over

18 etc.  And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account 
information!  go get it from your teen is basically what I was told.

WTF is this???  Absolutly amazing.

So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these 
days?

thanks
marlon





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Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

2010-04-02 Thread Eje Gustafsson
PCI compliance only applies to section of the network where YOU process and
possibly store credit card information. If you have no over the net
processing and don't store credit cards then it's easy. You fill out the
form for terminal processing and just need to make sure the terminal itself
is in a secured supervised location, acknowledge that credit cards are not
saved or stored. If you save and store credit cards you need to certify that
you are not store the whole magnetic strip info or security codes for the
cards. 
If things are done on computer you have a more complex questioner to fill
out. Are credit card info stored, if they are stored electronically the
server needs to be protected by some form of firewall and only people with a
need to know should be able to access the credit card details, part of the
card number should be blanked out on display, no security codes are allowed
to be stored. I assume your workstations and servers are on a separate
segment on your network and should be protected with a firewall against any
outside access (in the ISP case that also includes access from your
customers and not only from the internet itself). If you have a wireless
access point on that network segment it needs to be secured and only allow
specific access from allowed devices and some form of encryption on any
communication that reads/write credit card details. Database (or wherever
your credit cards are stored) needs to be secured. 
If processing credit cards over the net you should have a end to end secure
connection from your customers computer to the credit card gateway
processor. So basically web page customer key in info needs to be secured by
either ssl or some other method that sends the data in encrypted secured
format. From your server to the processor the data also need to be secured
(no processor I am aware of even accepts a unsecure submission of credit
card details so this shouldn't be a problem on that basis). 

You also need to make sure that physical access to terminal and servers that
process and store credit cards is secured.

Also in the questioner it's asked if you have policies in place how to
handle and treat credit cards, whom have access to them and what to do if
any kind of breach would happen. 

The PCI compliance is pretty open and doesn't have for most part specific
requirements when it comes to firewalls, how or what. If you store data and
process data on a computer that computer needs to be protected both
physically and virtually. Virtually can be a software firewall on the
machine itself or it can be a hardware based firewall in front of the
machine. 

Basically PCI compliance is all about common sense, ensure your servers are
safe from any type of intrusion or theft, not to write down credit cards on
scrap paper that is thrown in the trash, only allow access to credit card
info to the people that have to have access to it. 

There are different levels and types of PCI compliance depends on how you
process credit cards. Worst case scenario is if you have a regular credit
card terminal or process credit cards across the network on a e-commerce
type software (be it home written or professionally developed) and even
worse if you store credit card details. 
Once you start filling out the questioner things will more than likely
become a bit more clearer for you. 
If you store and process credit cards on computer than you need to as well
have a company that is doing a PCI scan of your server to ensure hacker
proof status. It will look for port vulnerabilities and web application
security issues. 

https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/saq/index.shtml

For most people a self assessment is enough (except for server scanning
where an approved company needs to be used). If your company process a LOT
of credit cards per year no external auditor needs to be hired (not even my
company reaches the level where an external auditor is required but we have
to file twice annually because of our volume while most WISPs I would dare
to say would only be a level 4 which is the lowest level and would only need
to file once a year). 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 1:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

Email from my brother:

Just got a letter from our credit card processor and we need to become
pci compliant. I noticed these routers I'm using from Qwest dont have
a firewall. Do I go software,hardware or both? Here is the link for
our routers.
http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/motorola-3347/modemDetail_3347insta
llation.html

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Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

2010-04-02 Thread Eje Gustafsson
True on this but still since I assume it still uses your merchant account
you still fall under the PCI regulations BUT the trusted merchant would
provide all PCI compliance documentation for you in this case and only thing
you have to worry about is whom is provided remote login access to this
merchant and what information they have access to and ensure firewall and
antivirus protection on the machines that are used to login to said
merchants website (if you have access to anything credit card related there)
to avoid keyloggers that might steal login information and then use this
information to login and steal credit card details or create fraudulent
charges or reversals. 

No matter how it's done if you business have a merchant account PCI
compliance comes back to you to ensure end to end and any and all
interactions where access to credit cards processing or credit card numbers
can be done. 
Of course lot easier when nothing is on any of your own systems like in your
case and if all you can access through the hosted service web pages is
statements and reports even less you need to worry about but still might
have to file (unless they file for you).

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Frank Muto
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 3:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance


All the better to have a completely hosted service with a trusted merchant.
We have no CCRD information or even a card 
reader. We take no CCRD payments over the phone, by email, postal mail or
store CCRD information for recurring invoices. All 
of our invoices are sent via email with an online payment URL to make CCRD
payments or direct payments from their bank 
account or mailed in checks. Nonetheless, PCI worries are not on our watch.


Frank Muto



- Original Message - 
From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance


 PCI compliance only applies to section of the network where YOU process
and
 possibly store credit card information. If you have no over the net
 processing and don't store credit cards then it's easy. You fill out the
 form for terminal processing and just need to make sure the terminal
itself
 is in a secured supervised location, acknowledge that credit cards are
not
 saved or stored. If you save and store credit cards you need to certify
that
 you are not store the whole magnetic strip info or security codes for the
 cards.
 If things are done on computer you have a more complex questioner to fill
 out. Are credit card info stored, if they are stored electronically the
 server needs to be protected by some form of firewall and only people with
a
 need to know should be able to access the credit card details, part of the
 card number should be blanked out on display, no security codes are
allowed
 to be stored. I assume your workstations and servers are on a separate
 segment on your network and should be protected with a firewall against
any
 outside access (in the ISP case that also includes access from your
 customers and not only from the internet itself). If you have a wireless
 access point on that network segment it needs to be secured and only allow
 specific access from allowed devices and some form of encryption on any
 communication that reads/write credit card details. Database (or wherever
 your credit cards are stored) needs to be secured.
 If processing credit cards over the net you should have a end to end
secure
 connection from your customers computer to the credit card gateway
 processor. So basically web page customer key in info needs to be secured
by
 either ssl or some other method that sends the data in encrypted secured
 format. From your server to the processor the data also need to be secured
 (no processor I am aware of even accepts a unsecure submission of credit
 card details so this shouldn't be a problem on that basis).

 You also need to make sure that physical access to terminal and servers
that
 process and store credit cards is secured.

 Also in the questioner it's asked if you have policies in place how to
 handle and treat credit cards, whom have access to them and what to do if
 any kind of breach would happen.

 The PCI compliance is pretty open and doesn't have for most part specific
 requirements when it comes to firewalls, how or what. If you store data
and
 process data on a computer that computer needs to be protected both
 physically and virtually. Virtually can be a software firewall on the
 machine itself or it can be a hardware based firewall in front of the
 machine.

 Basically PCI compliance is all about common sense, ensure your servers
are
 safe from any type of intrusion or theft, not to write down credit cards
on
 scrap paper that is thrown in the trash, only allow access to credit card
 info to the people that have to have access

Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

2010-04-02 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Any firewall configuration that locks down all unnecessary ports and service
especially those that is a major threat and any ports that are open has to
have secure software with no remote exploits known. Web applications are
extensively tested to ensure that no sql injection, cross site scripting and
other remote exploits can be done as well prohibits/limit data enclosure of
any type. Say if you are running with a sql database any error messages
should NEVER disclose anything database releated not even so much as
possibly hinting what type of database or sql query that might been
executed. Things that does not prohibit PCI compliance but are flagged as
possible PCI compliance issues are silly things like robots.txt files
(could provide information disclosure on where administration pages etc are
located). If a web page that looks like it handles logins can be access
without SSL cert it will be flagged and could possible give you a PCI
compliance failure. 

Most of the things to become PCI compliant involves securing servers, access
to servers and whom can access the data on the servers. Ensure servers and
web apps are patched and secure, that minimal data information can be
retrieved from server or web application. That you have written policies
stating whom is allowed to do what, not using manufacture default passwords,
each user has their own username/password and finally written policy what to
do in case of a breach. Most of this is all obvious security measures
anyone should do but you have to answer a ton of questions and sign that you
answered them truthfully and an external audit of the servers been done and
passed. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 9:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

That would satisfy the firewall.  Though I have to wonder what
firewall config satsifies for compliance.

On 4/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Correct, no storage. I'm thinking an RB750?

 On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 No experience just thoughts.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Card_Industry_Data_Security_Standard

 Would make sense to use a MT, put a nice firewall template (hence the
 first requirement) and then the other generic things everyone should
 do.  I would have to guess BK doesn't store card information.
 Processing security relies on the card processor, would it not?

 On 4/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Email from my brother:

 Just got a letter from our credit card processor and we need to become
 pci compliant. I noticed these routers I'm using from Qwest dont have
 a firewall. Do I go software,hardware or both? Here is the link for
 our routers.

http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/motorola-3347/modemDetail_3347insta
llation.html

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone gotten a 3.65 license lately?

2010-03-09 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Been a while since I applied for ours but then it took almost 2 months
before I got the paper license, never so a e-mail notice about the approval
but I had by chance seen the issuance of the license about 3 weeks after I
applied when I logged into the FCC website and saw it been approved about a
week before. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone gotten a 3.65 license lately?

They took the payment immediately!  Not so sure about the license...

Marco

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:53 AM, ralphlists ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:
 How long is the FCC taking these days for a new license?


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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet transmit errors

2010-03-09 Thread Eje Gustafsson
More than likely this is a connector or cabling issue. Since your running up
a tower I assume the cable run is of considerable length. When you start
running 150-200 ft of cabling a single crimp that is not the best can result
in TX drops it could be that only one of the two (usually only 2) teeth on
connector don't have connection with the cable. But it could also be that
your taking RF interference on the cat5 cable itself. 
If you are not using shielded cable and there is a lot of other strong RF
source on the tower this could be a problem as well. Shield Cat5 and proper
grounding on the shield as well ferrit beads on the cat5 cable in and out of
the injector can make a world of difference.

Also noticed that on some switches a slightly bad cable can cause a lot of
trouble or just little trouble. 
Once case we ran across ourselves where we had problem getting a trouble
free connection on a 220ft run with one switch and some of the equipment up
to (had a RB532 there which didn't have problem per say but did experience
TX and RX errors). Ran a new cable still problems with one of the units. The
old switch had gotten Ethernet ports blown by a hit on the tower that killed
almost every electronic on the tower not just for me but for the two others
that had equipment on it, the new switch didn't work well changed to another
switch of similar kind still problems, finally changed to a RB450G and is
now actually running problem free. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:44 AM
To: WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions
Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet transmit errors

I have a tower running 3x120 sectors, MT AP's RB532's. Ethernet down
tower to a switch. I noticed that on one of the RB532's I have 861 TX
errors and 861 TX drops in 5 days of uptime. I replaced this AP 5 days
ago and the previous board showed the same errors. I have moved the
Ethernet cable to a different port on the switch. Is it possible I have
a bad Ethernet cable?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

2010-03-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't
matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a
CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP. 

/ Eje
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Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do
not say for sure.

TIA,
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

2010-03-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Ahh no Powerbridges yet. Got no ETA really yet on those even. Not even
gotten a Datasheet for it and don't look like Ubiquiti even released the
datasheet for it eiter. 
The new stuff the announced earlier this week supposed to be available in
China towards the end of this month so don't expect any of these new
products to be available in anything but extremely low quantities until
earliest end of April. 

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

Eje,
Got an ETA on Powerbridges?

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Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:13 PM
To: sarn...@info-ed.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't
matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a
CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP. 

/ Eje
WISP-Router, Inc.
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Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do
not say for sure.

TIA,
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

2010-03-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Not sure if I should take offense to this or not. I assume you are aware
what conjecture is and that the statement about unproven proposition is not
directly related to my e-mail? 
Because if it is then you need to withdraw this statement. As you might be
aware WISP-Router whom I represent is one of Ubiquiti's US distributors (one
out of 4). When I say something about Ubiquiti I tend to know what I'm
talking about because I had word from the horses mouth. Find anything that I
said in my message that is unproven based on anything that been posted on
the Ubiquiti forum. You will not be able to find anything. Same info I just
gave is on the forum from either Ben or Mike. 
Also I had a very long working relationship with Ubiquiti (we started out
selling their SR2 and SR5 cards when that was their only product and was
recipients of cards from the first mass production run). 
Ubiquiti say product supposed to be available by end of month that means
most of the time product is available for pickup in China at the beginning
of the following month then you have 1-2 weeks before you have product if
they are shipped airfreight, economically not feasible for most of their
products. PowerBridgeM5 will probably weight wise be around same weight as a
PowerStation so airfreight cost would be about $10-$12 per unit at least. 
So products will be sea freight which means 4-6 weeks after they are ready
from MFG until they are in Distributors hands. First mass production run
have always been very limited qty. Order 1k unit and get maybe 200 to 500.
Order 2k and you might get 500.

Now on the other hand if you just threw out a big word without truly
understand it's meaning well so be it. 

/ Eje Gustafsson
WISP-Router, Inc.  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

If you really want to know first hand information on Ubiquiti you should 
join a forum at ubnt.com, most things on here are conjecture.

On 3/4/2010 1:03 PM, Eje Gustafsson wrote:
 Ahh no Powerbridges yet. Got no ETA really yet on those even. Not even
 gotten a Datasheet for it and don't look like Ubiquiti even released the
 datasheet for it eiter.
 The new stuff the announced earlier this week supposed to be available in
 China towards the end of this month so don't expect any of these new
 products to be available in anything but extremely low quantities until
 earliest end of April.

 / Eje
 Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

 Eje,
 Got an ETA on Powerbridges?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:13 PM
 To: sarn...@info-ed.com; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

 Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't
 matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a
 CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP.

 / Eje
 WISP-Router, Inc.
 Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

 Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do
 not say for sure.

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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

2010-03-03 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Got about 400 of the 30dB in just today (haven't yet been received into
inventory because we are still checking over to ensure we got everything we
were supposed to - three 40ft containers full of Ubnt gear).

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

The 30db RocketDish5 has been out for a few months, it's in stock most 
everywhere.

Regards
Michael Baird
 How do you have the M5 dish it's not out till later this month?  Unless 
 you mean the big parabolic, I'm talking about the nanostation dishes due 
 out mid-month.  We've deployed the air grids and other than a irritating 
 design flaw in the assembly their great!

 On 3/3/2010 8:48 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote:
   
 Ya we just put up a M5 yesterday and lovin' it. Just wanted a chance to
 use 2.4 in some areas where 5ghz was overused.

 I got some screenshots of 80Mbps at 9 miles using the Ubnt M5 dish, if
 anyone is interested.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:32 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

 Andy,

 They aren't available yet, they haven't even released specs on this that

 I'm aware of, just the 5 ghz versions.

 Regards
 Michael Baird

 
 Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number
  
   
 is

 
 in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any
  
   
 information

 
 would help.



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Re: [WISPA] DS-CHINA.ORG

2010-02-24 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Those asian registration things are scams nothing else. Over the last 3-4
years I probably received well over a 100 such messages. 
Majority of those in regards to WISP-Router but also on some other domains
that I'm listed as contact for. 
I have yet to see a single one of these claims of registration come through.

For a long time now I just binned those e-mails the first one of course I
responded to but also started investigate and came to the conclusion it was
just a sales scam trying to get me to pay for the domains and registrations
in question (my guess if I had nothing would gotten registered). 
So far so good no wisp-router.ca registered or any other of the domains that
someone supposedly trying to register. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DS-CHINA.ORG

I replied about three months ago to this and stated that we held the 
trademark for our company name.  I sent the same email to Qwest who put 
Washington Broadband in their listings as a name, never heard from the 
China group or Qwest again, go figure.

Forbes

On 2/24/2010 8:35 AM, Jack Unger wrote:
 A musician friend of mine had the same thing happen regarding his domain
 about 4 months ago. An email from China said that someone wanted to
 register his domain .cn. I looked into it and then advised him not to
 reply. At that time it looked like some kind of a registration scam from
 the email sender themselves. I'd like to hear what others think.

 jack


 David Hulsebus wrote:

 I got an e-mail from them asking about our domain registration, and
 someone in China wanting to register the portative.com.cn, .net.cn,
 etc.. domains.  They said they will not approve if I reply and didn't
 authorize it.

 Question. This is the first time I've heard of this, is it legit?

 Thanks, Dave Hulsebus





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Re: [WISPA] Quick Survey for WSIPS

2010-02-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
I have not answered. #4 neither option applies. Didn't file because didn't
have the time to get the data required and been slacking on it since.
Intention been there to do it but time been short. Many times my filing been
late in the past and then I just had to do a export of my customer data and
tally up the ZIP codes. Consider my subscriber base not a major changer but
I should file just as soon as I start there always seems something more
urgent pooping up delaying it yet again. 

My personal opinion is that if they are to get data of this kind they need
to provide some form of tool/website to get the data. Many of my addresses
does not resolve correctly because they are rural routes and I have to
manually try to map their location to get the right area. 
But we are talking about the government that don't believe in making
anything easy and put the cost entirely on the citizens or businesses so I'm
not surprised. 

/ Eje

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Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:33 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Quick Survey for WSIPS

Yesterday I created a quick 4 question survey about government form 477 that
all WISPs are supposed to file with subscriber counts.  50 people have
filled it out so far.  If you haven't yet, it takes 60 seconds or less.
please go to 
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3RZTC9F

The questions are

-Is your customer base increasing/decreasing
-how many subs do you have
-did you file form 477
-would you like help if you didn't

quick results so far are
Customer base  = 46 increasing, 4 decreasing
total customers =65,074 from 49 WISPs = 1,328 subs per WISP
File form 477 = 21 yes, 10 late, 18 no
want help filing = 13 yes, 3 no


Will do more in-depth look tonight


A Quick note.  of the 4 with decreasing customer bases.  3 of them have
under 500 subs.  If it doesn't already exist, I think it would be a great
idea to have a (guide) for 0 - 500 subs. Things like
Bandwidth - general prices, pros/cons. T1, Cable, DSL, etc
Marketing ideas, assistance, etc
what people use to run the business.
Forms, procedures.

I am not on the board for WISPA, but I think this would be a good value to
be provided to members.  Of course, some of the recommendations will change
for larger WISPs.

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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-15 Thread Eje Gustafsson
And do you believe the same goes for Open source applications? There are
more open source being distributed this way then where large for profit
companies use it for distribution. 

/ Eje

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

I think you said it best here:

Some
 of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and
distribute
 of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will
 have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours.
 Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and
 download
 a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds.

So as an ISP we should get clobbered with connections and network issues on
our wireless network to take care of the budgets of all these legal places?
Most of these make 10X the profit I do in a year, let them figure out a
better way. Afterall, the customer is wanting their content.

I limit the crap out of torrents. It is a poorly implemented application for
most networks...for wireless networks for sure. I don't care if the
government wants to distribute welfare checks across torrents on my network.
It will work, although slowly. If the government want's to tell me how I can
control my network and makes it law, I will do something else. I am not
trading the big corp software support problem for my own at 10X the less
profit. Hell, I was squirrel hunting when I started my ISP and I still got a
pocket full of shells.

Scottie

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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and
distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically you
start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is
available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts once it
is done. 

ISO distro downloads. Instead of hunting for a mirror site that have fast
speeds and testing out multiple of them before finding on that give you good
speed. All I do is select one torrent file and start a torrent download. ISO
downloaded in no time. Faster easier and less issues. Especially when you
deal with a big distro version that is DVD format and newly released. 

Other adoptions 
BitTorrent Inc has a number of licenses from Hollywood for distributing
popular content with their torrent system
Sub Pop Records reelases tracks and videos to distribute its 1000+ albums. 
The band Ween as an example uses the website Browntracker.net to distribute
hundreds of video recordings of live shows.
Babyshambles, The Libertines has extensively used torrents to distribute
hundreds of demos and live videos. 
Nine Inch Nails frequently distribute albums via BitTorrent
Many new PodCasting software start to integrate BitTorrent to help
broadcasters deal with download demands of their MP3 radio programs. For
example Juice and Miro support automatic processing of .torrent files from
RSS feeds. The same thing with uTurrent. 
Then you have Mininova tracker which is a Content Distributor only platform
to allow copyright holders especially smaller groups to distribute their
music, videos etc. 
In addition DGM Live! Purchass are provided via BitTorrent

CBC was the first public broadcaster in NA to make a full show available for
download using BitTorrent
NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation) has since March 08 experimented
with bittorrent distribution for selected material which NRK owns all
royalties (they use Miro) (http://nrkbeta.no/bittorrent/)
VPRO (Dutch broadcaster) released some documentaries under the Creative
Commons license using Mininova. 

Amazon S3 (Simple Storage Service) is equipped with a built-in BitTorrent
support
Bog Torrent has a bittorent track to enable bloggers to host a tracker on
their site to allow visitors to download a stub loader so they can access
picture, blog, music, videos posted by the blogger. 

As mentioned Blizzard Entertainment (especially Wow) uses built in
BitTorrent in their software for updates, patches, maps etc downloads. Some
of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and distribute
of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will
have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours.
Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and download
a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds. 

Many open source and free software projects encourage BitTorrent basically
to increase availability and to reduce load on their own servers mostly when
a new software release just been released. When you have hundreds or
thousands people that want to download latest dist. Personally I don't mind
to help seed a Fedora torrent because it helps me out when a new version is
available as well. 

So enough legal usages and samples for you now to still think it's ok to
totally block or throttle BitTorrent to nothingness? Your customers pay you
to get access to data what they access is after all really not your
responsibility. Yours is to provide them with access and ensure that they
have good access and get what they pay for which means control and maintain
network stability and speed by managing your traffic to a level that is good
for everyone. The more people that blatantly block things and especially
when there is no other highspeed options will cause the FCC/government to
step in and enforce how things need to be ran and what you are allowed or
especially not allowed to do. But of course if your clean about it and very
upfront about it then it might be a different matter. But if your hide it in
a AUP or TOS in the fine print especially if you don't make the user sign it
but states usage of internet means acceptance of the terms you are in deep
waters. 
I personally allow any fileshare application on my network. I do throttle it
and only allow a max of 60% of my available bandwidth for fileshare apps
shared over all my customers and on top of it any interactive data transfers
is prioritized (dns, mail, http, messengers to mention a few) above
fileshare. The advantage to this is that my customer can still download
things over fileshare and it will not kill their other usage nor my
available bandwidth either. Works nice for them and for me and everyone is
happy. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents


Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So no
need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are
insignificant because nobody uses Torrents. 
It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you
name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the link
torrent file download and download client is launched. 

You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do it the
hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I downloaded
been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast
mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter how
new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source
community by seeding the distro. 
I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and well
honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror. 

And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents
providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters themselves.
You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I gave
it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you
prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then are
we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or connection
limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use. 
Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and with
every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will continue
to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option IMHO.
Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If
someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then downloaded
the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't going
to be happy. 

Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data storage
service and your blocking it and it takes this person/company hours to
figure out that you're the blame I'm sure this business is not going to be
happy. 

Nine Inch Nails have their official torrent provided through The Pirate Bay.
So anyone using LimeWire as you say will access the official way of
downloading the 2 last NIN albums (first one was a 4 cd album). 

And if you have installed Limewire/Kazza or whatever the gamer/mp3r is ready
to download torrents with a single click of a webpage just as easy as you
download a normal file through a http page but the advantage most of the
times faster downloads.
 
/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

I never said it was good to block it.  I think blocking it is bad.  Not sure
where you got that impression.  My stance is if you can support it, charge
them for it.  If it costs you too much and you lose money on it, drop it
with speed limiting, blocking or the customer entirely.

Once again...

I have played Wow.  I played it last week for the free trial.  Instead of
waiting all night for the torrent I went to one of the mirrors I posted and
got the patch in minutes instead of hours.  Blizzard's other games -
Starcraft, Warcraft 2 and 3, Diablo 1 and 2 - are all HTTP only.  The only
Blizzard files obtained via torrent are the Wow patches and hi def
trailers/movies - 
http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_UStag=patches

Every *nix distro I've obtained (Ubuntu, Fedora, Centos, DSL, Knoppix,
Gentoo, maybe more) I've done HTTP.

Who cares if Nine Inch Nails distributes their music via torrent?  No one
uses it anyways - they all use Napster/Kazaa/Limewire.

So why choose torrent over HTTP?  I just don't see Grandma Bonnie Emailer or
Little Timmy MP3er or Greasy Gary Gamer (except that one half Wow example)
using torrents.  I just don't see the average user installing utorrent to
get their blog videos, mp3s or latest content, it's easier to click one link
in the browser, save it and use it.

I also want to mention that 300GB/mo transfer at home is not high at all.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
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that counts.
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On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and
 distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically
 you
 start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is
 available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts once
 it
 is done.

 ISO distro downloads. Instead of hunting for a mirror site that have fast
 speeds and testing out multiple of them before finding on that give you
 good
 speed. All I do

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Not sure about that. Depending on whoms statistics you believe it can be
anywhere from about 5% to about 30%. Do we count the people used it in the
last x days. How many computers that have the software installed on them. 
According to stats 2008 17% of US computers had Limewire installed on them. 
uTorrent only 2.1%. But just because application is installed don't mean
it's used or frequently used. 
Over 35% of internet traffic is fileshare application vs only 32% that is
web traffic. If we believe RIAA then the base and usage is way higher. I
wouldn't put much behind that 8% figure without knowing how they came to
that conclusion. 
So fileshare usage in US is somewhere between 5% and 25% of all
computers/household more bandwidth is being used by fileshare traffic then
regular web traffic. 

Good QoS, traffic shaping and prioritizing means issue becoming less of an
issue or even a non issue same goes even without file sharing. Just because
it's a problem for the ISP we cannot just block it and pretend it don't
exists. It would be like a city claiming that we do not have a traffic
congestion system people just need to not drive as much or share a ride. We
don't need more traffic lanes or better traffic control. 
Provide enough bandwidth on the AP, backhaul and upstream feed. Shape the
traffic for maximum user experience and everyone is happy. 

/ Eje


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

8% of Swedes do peer to peer.  I would expect the American population to
have a smaller figure.  Regardless, can we not agree it's a small figure?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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that counts.
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On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Philip Dorr
wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote:

 May not be mainstream, but is a decent percentage.

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7978853.stm

 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  I didn't say it wasn't an issue.  I said there are solutions to the
 problem.
 
  I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many
  of them do not offer regular downloads?  If you were to be one of
  these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why?
 
  I am stating torrent isn't mainstream.  I am stating you can't treat
  torrents like HTTP.  You are trying to make it sound as if the
  majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web
  which, arguably so, is simply not the case.  Not in the world I live
  in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this
  list.
 
  On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
  So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say.
 So no
  need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are
  insignificant because nobody uses Torrents.
  It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire
you
  name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the
 link
  torrent file download and download client is launched.
 
  You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do
it
 the
  hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I
 downloaded
  been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast
  mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter
 how
  new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source
  community by seeding the distro.
  I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and
 well
  honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror.
 
  And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents
  providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters
 themselves.
  You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I
 gave
  it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you
  prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then
 are
  we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or
 connection
  limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use.
  Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and
 with
  every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will
 continue
  to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option
 IMHO.
  Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If
  someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then
 downloaded
  the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't
 going
  to be happy.
 
  Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data
 storage
  service

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Appropriate bandwidth bandwidth shaping with QoS and prioritization and more
than likely you don't to tell anyone (well still very possible) but at least
you will not get complains from other users on the network that it's slow.
The good thing with fileshare it's not a interactive system that require a
certain minimum bandwidth such as streaming audio or video. File share
bandwidth usage is easy to handle. 
Streaming audio/video can only be fixed by providing the user with more
dedicated bandwidth so less overselling. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

Fortunately, its not common on my network ether. Just one or two a
month have to be told.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 I didn't say it wasn't an issue.  I said there are solutions to the
problem.

 I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many
 of them do not offer regular downloads?  If you were to be one of
 these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why?

 I am stating torrent isn't mainstream.  I am stating you can't treat
 torrents like HTTP.  You are trying to make it sound as if the
 majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web
 which, arguably so, is simply not the case.  Not in the world I live
 in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this
 list.

 On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So
no
 need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are
 insignificant because nobody uses Torrents.
 It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you
 name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the
link
 torrent file download and download client is launched.

 You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do it
the
 hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I
downloaded
 been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast
 mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter
how
 new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source
 community by seeding the distro.
 I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and
well
 honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror.

 And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents
 providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters themselves.
 You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I
gave
 it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you
 prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then
are
 we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or
connection
 limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use.
 Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and
with
 every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will
continue
 to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option IMHO.
 Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If
 someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then
downloaded
 the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't
going
 to be happy.

 Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data
storage
 service and your blocking it and it takes this person/company hours to
 figure out that you're the blame I'm sure this business is not going to
be
 happy.

 Nine Inch Nails have their official torrent provided through The Pirate
Bay.
 So anyone using LimeWire as you say will access the official way of
 downloading the 2 last NIN albums (first one was a 4 cd album).

 And if you have installed Limewire/Kazza or whatever the gamer/mp3r is
ready
 to download torrents with a single click of a webpage just as easy as you
 download a normal file through a http page but the advantage most of the
 times faster downloads.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:09 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

 I never said it was good to block it.  I think blocking it is bad.  Not
sure
 where you got that impression.  My stance is if you can support it,
charge
 them for it.  If it costs you too much and you lose money on it, drop it
 with speed limiting, blocking or the customer entirely.

 Once again...

 I have played Wow.  I played it last week for the free trial.  Instead of
 waiting all night for the torrent I went to one of the mirrors I posted
and
 got the patch in minutes instead of hours

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Absolutely. Why we ourselves don't sell our service as a unlimited service.
Nowhere do we ever say unlimited in our marketing material or other
material, and in the contract the people sign for service it clearly states
over usage is not permitted, server setup is not permitted and include file
sharing out to the internet. There is even on the last page a table where
all important information such as bandwidth allotment, # of e-mail accounts,
monthly cap limits as well charge per GB over usage is denoted by hand
depending on service level purchased. 
We say we will charge you $5/GB over your monthly 10GB limit. But we have
never charged this at this point. We have people going way over 10GB but
they have not created any issues on our network. 

No don't believe in unlimited internet and will not be like the mobile
broadband providers calling their service unlimited but in small print you
can read it's not unlimited and that they can charge or cancel your service
for over usage. But reason they call it unlimited is because they have their
limited plans that offer say 500MB or 5GB then their unlimited (which really
isn't unlimited) I am still amazed that FTC have not slapped them on their
hands for this IMO false advertisement. But I guess it comes down to it
affects so very few people that for most people it really seems unlimited.

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

Eje,

I always respect your opinons but let me play devils advocate. I
agree file-sharing is being forced down ISP's throats, so we have to
deal with it. Many compare ISPs to utilities. I come from a background
working for and with electric companies. If you overload their network
you will be cut off and fined.

-RickG

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Not sure about that. Depending on whoms statistics you believe it can be
 anywhere from about 5% to about 30%. Do we count the people used it in the
 last x days. How many computers that have the software installed on them.
 According to stats 2008 17% of US computers had Limewire installed on
them.
 uTorrent only 2.1%. But just because application is installed don't mean
 it's used or frequently used.
 Over 35% of internet traffic is fileshare application vs only 32% that is
 web traffic. If we believe RIAA then the base and usage is way higher. I
 wouldn't put much behind that 8% figure without knowing how they came to
 that conclusion.
 So fileshare usage in US is somewhere between 5% and 25% of all
 computers/household more bandwidth is being used by fileshare traffic then
 regular web traffic.

 Good QoS, traffic shaping and prioritizing means issue becoming less of an
 issue or even a non issue same goes even without file sharing. Just
because
 it's a problem for the ISP we cannot just block it and pretend it don't
 exists. It would be like a city claiming that we do not have a traffic
 congestion system people just need to not drive as much or share a ride.
We
 don't need more traffic lanes or better traffic control.
 Provide enough bandwidth on the AP, backhaul and upstream feed. Shape the
 traffic for maximum user experience and everyone is happy.

 / Eje


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:54 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

 8% of Swedes do peer to peer.  I would expect the American population to
 have a smaller figure.  Regardless, can we not agree it's a small figure?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
 that counts.
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Philip Dorr
 wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote:

 May not be mainstream, but is a decent percentage.

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7978853.stm

 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  I didn't say it wasn't an issue.  I said there are solutions to the
 problem.
 
  I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many
  of them do not offer regular downloads?  If you were to be one of
  these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why?
 
  I am stating torrent isn't mainstream.  I am stating you can't treat
  torrents like HTTP.  You are trying to make it sound as if the
  majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web
  which, arguably so, is simply not the case.  Not in the world I live
  in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this
  list.
 
  On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
  So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yes you can if you want to. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

I have a MT firewall. Can you run Butch's QOS on MT APs  CPE?

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Not sure of the capabilities of StarOS but Ubnt and Tranzeo can't help you
 limit connections.  You may need to invest in some Routerboards or
something
 more expensive.

 You said you had Butch's QOS application - do you already have some
Mikrotik
 stuff in place?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
 that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree but you cant fix a large network overnight. Especially in this
 weather!

 Thanks for your input!

 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
 wrote:
  Appropriate bandwidth bandwidth shaping with QoS and prioritization and
 more
  than likely you don't to tell anyone (well still very possible) but at
 least
  you will not get complains from other users on the network that it's
 slow.
  The good thing with fileshare it's not a interactive system that
 require a
  certain minimum bandwidth such as streaming audio or video. File share
  bandwidth usage is easy to handle.
  Streaming audio/video can only be fixed by providing the user with
more
  dedicated bandwidth so less overselling.
 
  / Eje
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of RickG
  Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:44 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
 
  Fortunately, its not common on my network ether. Just one or two a
  month have to be told.
 
  On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  I didn't say it wasn't an issue.  I said there are solutions to the
  problem.
 
  I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many
  of them do not offer regular downloads?  If you were to be one of
  these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why?
 
  I am stating torrent isn't mainstream.  I am stating you can't treat
  torrents like HTTP.  You are trying to make it sound as if the
  majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web
  which, arguably so, is simply not the case.  Not in the world I live
  in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this
  list.
 
  On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
  So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you
say.
 So
  no
  need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are
  insignificant because nobody uses Torrents.
  It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire
 you
  name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the
  link
  torrent file download and download client is launched.
 
  You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do
 it
  the
  hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I
  downloaded
  been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one
fast
  mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no
matter
  how
  new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source
  community by seeding the distro.
  I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations
and
  well
  honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror.
 
  And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents
  providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters
 themselves.
  You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I
  gave
  it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and
you
  prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why
then
  are
  we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or
  connection
  limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use.
  Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and
  with
  every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will
  continue
  to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option
 IMHO.
  Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not.
If
  someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then
  downloaded
  the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy
ain't
  going
  to be happy.
 
  Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data
  storage
  service and your blocking it and it takes this person/company hours
to
  figure out that you're

Re: [WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!

2010-02-12 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Tooo funny.. Sent it to Ben at Ubnt after all he is one mentioned by name in
there.. lol

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143



From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino
Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:50 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!

 

I hope you enjoy

 

Some Pre Friday Humor (kinda PG-13)

 

Hitler on Canopy OFDM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwLEwfitGkM

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

 





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Re: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package

2010-02-08 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Just what I was going to suggest. Good tool especially for people not very
Linux skilled and even for those that are. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Alan Long
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:12 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package

Webmin should do it..


Aerowire
Alan Long
Director of Network Operations
alan.l...@aerowire.net
687 North Dean Road
Auburn, AL 36830
tel: 3342759998
mobile: 336092


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package

We have two Ubuntu servers running Bind9  I am looking for a web based
control panel to

manage both at the same time
setup dns management for other domains.  Kind of like reselling web hosting



Any recommendations that people are willing to share


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Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yeah I got a kick out of that article and to see the discussion re FCC and
net-neutrality and FCC probes in anticompetive behavior and application
prohibitations for the Iphone et all. Then to find out that this rebellion
was planned but FCC worked to stopped it. 

Stay safe. Don't get out of bed. It's dangerous to drive, dangerous to walk
on the streets, dangerous to operate your electronics and irresponsible to
talk on the cellphone someone that might need to make an important phone
call to might not be able to.. So just stay in bed, don't touch that
cellphone, landline phone OR your laptop... Ohh there might be dangerous
lights emitting from your TV so do not turn it on either. 

Now where did I put my foil hat. Darn weather radars and satellite signals
are getting to me today Might need more foil

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:55 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality

I love it that they had the FCC step in to stop the consumer protest and
declare...

to purposely try to disrupt or negatively impact a network with ill-intent
is irresponsible and presents a significant public safety concern.

Such BS.  Isn't any large protest a potential safety concern?  

I'm now off to cover myself in bubble wrap.  One can't be too safe, ya know.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:00 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality

LOL makes me recall article I read earlier tonight. 
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/at-t-s-iphone-deal-swamps-networ
k-sparking-consumer-rebellion.html

/ Eje

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:37 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality

And me and my pack of highly trained Wispa Ninja warriors will be waiting
for them to thwart their plans of conquest!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality

 

So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance
companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to
do it.

BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh 


Frank Crawford wrote: 

YES
 
Jack Unger wrote:
  

I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you 
support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown 
it in a bathtub?
 
Glenn Kelley wrote:
  


Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates
telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to
oversee broadband.  FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he
gave to the Free State Foundation asked:  (see First Do No Harm: A broadband
plan for Amercia)
Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory
Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application? . With
this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another
type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and
application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the
government be able to keep up?
 
 
Much more on the blog:   www.HostMedic.com -- 

_
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Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Eje Gustafsson
On issue here is Carters dream in the 70's that every American should have
a house or right to have a house of their own. This was for much laying
dormant but Bush era brought this back. 

To own a house is not a right. It's a privilege, not everyone should or are
suitable to own a house the idea a house for every American is seriously
flawed. This was what started the housing boom in the 70's out in California
that quickly spread across the nation. Creating over time hyper inflated
prices but was a slow progress but was once again flared up during Bush era
and the push was one once again raising house prices even yet higher and in
a push for this idiotic loans was designed to make this happen. Balloon
loans that was design to get you in a house, sell that house after 10 years
to get you into a bigger house since you now was supposed to have a better
job, bigger family and your current house would be worth lot more. There are
two fundamental flaws with this thinking. 1) the new house you buy will
obviously be much more expensive as well and this Balloon loan was design to
pay minimal principal on your current home until 10 years ahead. 2) it
assumes your salary does not only keep up with inflation but advancing a
head of it not taking into consideration of cyclic economic down turns,
layoffs and failures. Loans created with a rose tinted glasses on never
looking at worse case scenarios or even any bad scenarios. 
Then you have the other kind of loans like Lending Tree and Quickbooks
started offer among others. Lower your monthly payment plans, in the fine
print you discover that your only paying interest and NO principal. That
sure helps people get out of debt. Even worse yet was some loans that
Countrywide extended where the payment people made on their loans didn't
even cover the full interest so the loan only grow. Bank of America ended up
paying a steep fine over these loans (BoA bought Countrywide in 08). 

The current and past credit rating system in general is at fault at large.
To get credit you have to have credit and the more credit you have the more
credit you can get. Of course this is slightly better than it once was when
a collage kid could get $10k credit card credit with no steady income. 
What makes sense to me on a credit system is. You have a steady income, no
credit then your credit is good. The more you earn and the less credit you
have the better your credit rating is. Once you start getting open credit
your rating goes down. 

Ohh well. Just me being sensible I guess ;) 

Dang it. Stop talking politics guys back to wireless now lol

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:39 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role
inregulationofnet-neutrality

I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you
on-list Matt.  The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie
and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen.  There are certainly other
factors, but those are the two biggest.  I will agree with you that there
were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the
trough. 


Regards,

Jeff


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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role
inregulationofnet-neutrality


On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote:

 The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules 
 on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally
qualified.
 
No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction
of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would
have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is
reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA
mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital.

There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a
waste of time.

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Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Eje Gustafsson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

I think the paragraph Housing Advocacy groups and Predatory lending
speaks pretty much for itself. 
CRA failed miserably in those areas because of the simple fact that after
all CRA was all about to provide equal financing opportunities to low to
mid-income and minority groups. So the pressure was on to provide financing
to these groups and this back fired because the low in-come group had hard
time paying the loans for a house they really couldn't afford. When you make
less then 30k in the household can you really afford a 50k house and all
expenses associated with said house? Figure just principal, 15 year loan
you're looking at $277/mo. The Department of health and human services
figure a 3 person household requires in the lower 48 $18k per year to scrap
by. By my book that $277/mo + interest + insurance + maintenance is t much
for this family to afford on a regular loan. 

In a 2002 study exploring the relationship between the CRA and lending
looked at as predatory, Kathleen C. Engel and Patricia A. McCoy noted that
banks could receive CRA credit by lending or brokering loans in lower-income
areas that would be considered a risk for ordinary lending practices.

Look where we are at today billions of dollar spent on TARP to save the
banks that did these loans to low and middle income families. 
Fannie Mae and Freddie MAC brought back from the brink of complete meltdown
by even more billions of dollars. 

A house is not a RIGHT it's a PRIVILEGE and not everyone can nor will be
privileged enough to be able to afford a house. A house is not just a loan
payment to have and up keep. It's also insurance and maintenance. Anyone
owning a house knows that there is never an end to maintenance required once
one thing is fixed another will appear some might not require immediate
attention but some if immediate or soon attention is given will result in
expensive fixes and repairs. The older house the more issues and a lot of
the low to medium income families that is all they can afford the older
houses in most areas. On top of this unfortunately a lot of the low income
people are employees that are expendable in many companies so when things
start to go hard they are often the first ones to get laid off. The high
income guy is probably the person that makes the decisions and he relies on
other high income people and mid level income people to make things happen.
It's always the poor guy that get the shaft I'm afraid. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The
FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality

I've seen plenty of research Matt.  You ask for proof from me and you've
provided none yourself.  If you want to provide the basis for your
statements and have an argument, let's have it.  We'll probably have to do
it off-list, since I'm sure everyone is getting tired of this, as am I.  


Regards,

Jeff


Jeff Broadwick
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can)
+1 574-935-8484 x106  (Int'l)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The
FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality

What does your quip have to do with your earlier assertions regarding CRA?
Is your response to facts that challenge your position to simply change the
subject? I worry you formed your position without proper research.

-Matt
 
On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:

 Talk to a mortgage lender...they have all become agents for Fannie and 
 Freddie.  Few of them do their own underwriting anymore.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Jeff
 
 
 Jeff Broadwick
 ImageStream
 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can)
 +1 574-935-8484 x106  (Int'l)
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Matt Liotta
 Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:53 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's 
 roleinregulationofnet-neutrality
 
 You keep make unsubstantiated claims. Where is your data? If you are 
 so sure of CRA's effect where is the data? I mean every bank must 
 disclose there numbers of CRA mortgages, so it is not hard to see what 
 percentage of the overall market they are. Further, banks also publish 
 what percentage of bad mortgages they have on the books. The numbers 
 are there and CRA is a fraction. Look it up.
 
 Remember, we are talking about subprime mortgages. in 2006, of the top 
 25 subprime lenders only 1 was subject to CRA. In fact, Fannie and 
 Freddie went from a high of 48 percentage of subprime loans in 2004 to 
 24 percent in 2006 because of the enormous private market for subprime.
 
 -Matt
 
 On Feb 5, 2010, at 

[WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement

2010-02-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Thought this might be found interesting by some

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8498100.stm

Granted not US based but sets a bit of a precedence I think.

 

/ Eje 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

2010-02-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
*shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my
families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference.
There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close
enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no
available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited
probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even
find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. 
Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. 
Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan
on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car
alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass
suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour.
Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on
a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block
parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to
sleep. 

The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a
room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No
available rooms for 50 miles. 

I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and
abandon the thing!  LOL

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my
normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show.  Never.

Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed

as
it was 10 years ago too.

4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first
place I stopped at, a Drury.

Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show


 Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in 
 the
 area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the 
 convention.
 There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your
 idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the
 locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of
 competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay 
 higher
 airfare.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show


 Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells..

 I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the
 large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio.  Only so 
 much
 I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across
 town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort 
 of
 towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators.  No way would we
 get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion.  The
 bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more 
 people
 without any more effort.  I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that
 would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety.  A lot of us 
 WISP
 operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow.  Unless, of
 course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use.
 :)


 Anyway, just an idea.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions.

 I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of
 putting on a show and evaluating our options.   Before I started on that
 process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own
 show.   I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some
 potential as a fund raiser.

 What was 

Re: [WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement

2010-02-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Agreed. I know this might not necessary have a direct precedence for the US
market but I know in the past on some things like this the US courts,
judges, attorneys and the like has looked at what other countries have done
and taken a serious look on the reasoning why they went a specific direction
so this case even if it's in Australia cannot be anything but a good thing
for us in the US. Now if it been a different country like say China or India
then well I would almost dare to say the US court system might do the
opposite just cause. But consider the historical information both court
system wise as well country origin and laws I believe this is a good thing
and should be to the US ISP's favor. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:25 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement

Very good!

I've always had the thought that if I, as a provider of access to the
internet am responsible for how the users behave..  I would like to
stretch that out and hold everyone responsible for other things such as if a
burglar uses the highway to come to your house to rob me, they should
compensate me, the telco that he used to plan the crime should compensate
me, the cell phone provider he used for his buddy outside to call to warn
him if someone was coming into the house should compensate me.

The problem is, they are just looking for everyone else to blame for their
issues and want us all to police and be responsible for their property. 

It's this sort of thing that has to be held off or else we become the Big
Brother society that many want us to be.  I know, I know.  We are almost
already there.  It's been Frog Soup (look it up) but we're seeing more of it
happening more openly and I applaud this court for actually having the
testicular fortitude to say NO.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:28 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement

Thought this might be found interesting by some

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8498100.stm

Granted not US based but sets a bit of a precedence I think.

 

/ Eje 

 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
LOL makes me recall article I read earlier tonight. 
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/at-t-s-iphone-deal-swamps-networ
k-sparking-consumer-rebellion.html

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:37 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality

And me and my pack of highly trained Wispa Ninja warriors will be waiting
for them to thwart their plans of conquest!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality

 

So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance
companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to
do it.

BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh 


Frank Crawford wrote: 

YES
 
Jack Unger wrote:
  

I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you 
support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown 
it in a bathtub?
 
Glenn Kelley wrote:
  


Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates
telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to
oversee broadband.  FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he
gave to the Free State Foundation asked:  (see First Do No Harm: A broadband
plan for Amercia)
Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory
Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application? . With
this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another
type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and
application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the
government be able to keep up?
 
 
Much more on the blog:   www.HostMedic.com -- 

_
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  Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-03 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Need to upgrade from your 2 by 4 to a 4 by 4? ;) 

One thing I forgot to say in my rant is consider anyone over the above of 18
is registered to vote in Sweden the percentage SHOULD be lower than in a
country where you have to actually register your intent to vote to be
allowed to vote and yet around 85% vote there vs 65% here. ;P 

At times I wonder how many knows how and what they need to do to register to
vote (I would hope everyone that are allowed to register to vote knows). 
But even further how many actually knows right now (no matter registered to
vote or not) where they should go to vote? 
In Sweden once your 18 and upon the next election you get your voting card
sent to you by mail which shows when and where you are expected to vote. 
I still get the vote card even after living 10 years here in the US (ashamed
to say that I have not voted the last 2 elections but then I have very
minimal clue what going on political back in Sweden).. FYI for anyone not
knowing yes I'm still Swedish citizen and not a US citizen so am not allowed
to vote in the US elections (I'm a legal alien ;) so anyone that meet me can
claim they meet an alien... lol )

Alright back to my corner.. Drats said my last post was my 1 a year off
topic now I consumed 2 years worth of non topic posts... 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 00:06 -0600, Eje Gustafsson wrote: 
 I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of
 themselves. 

I agree.  It is absolutely shameful to see the turnouts.  It is MORE
shameful that this is pointed out by you (don't be offended, it's not
intended that way).  It is, however, reality that too many Americans are
unwilling to participate in politics in any way other than complaining.
FWIW, I have NEVER missed the opportunity to vote in ANY election (all
the way down to the local ones).  The fact that sometimes a higher
percentage of active voters differ in their opinion does not mean my
vote doesn't count.  It just means that I should work harder to teach
people how to think.  :-)

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Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

2010-02-03 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Count me in if you guys end up KC... =) I'll do the 2.5 hour drive for the
fun of meeting up with you guys. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:36 PM
To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

I feel as if I could have written that same post.  I'm much
saddened.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

I like Ham  Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City.

Pulled pork is my favorite!

:-)

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

I would love for it to be during HAM.

Right around the corner from me.

On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells..

 I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the
 large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio.  Only so
much
 I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across
 town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort
of
 towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators.  No way would we
 get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion.  The
 bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more
people
 without any more effort.  I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that
 would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety.  A lot of us
WISP
 operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow.  Unless, of
 course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use.
 :)


 Anyway, just an idea.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions.

 I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of
 putting on a show and evaluating our options.   Before I started on that
 process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own
 show.   I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some
 potential as a fund raiser.

 What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to
 put a show on properly.   IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and
 then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale
 up to the potential of the show.   The market is quite different right
 now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the
 day.

 Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus.   They are willing
 to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so
 that both sides will benefit.   They don't know much about the WISP
 business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show
 that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on
 a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread
 WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong
 positives.

 Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to
 the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We
 will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't
 really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go
 far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person.   These guys have a
 staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done
 more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing
 on our own.

 All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so
 that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to
 happen.   For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to
 get a show put on.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 forwarding to the list.

 Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather
 than to the sender?  Thanks,

 Matt, understood.  I'd disagree with that plan of action though.  We need
 our own show.  It should be a fund raiser for WISPA.

 Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show.  I
 believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event.  Lower cost, more
 intimate
 etc.

 I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year.
 It
 shouldn't take more than 

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Every vote counts. For every guy that thinks not there is two other that
don't vote. If people came over this mentality your vote would matter
because no matter what people think they are not alone in their believes. 

Look at the 2008 President election
StateMargin
Missouri 0.14% 
NC   0.32% 
Indiana  1.04%
NE 2nd cong dist 1.19% 
MT   2.25%
Florida  2.82% 
Ohio 4.59% (your state)
These states represented 88 electoral votes

States/districts with margin more than 5% but less than 10 represented
another 64 electoral votes.

Missouri there was a total of 3903 votes difference. Never say a vote do NOT
count. 

I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of
themselves. You bitch you moan about government and politics but only 63% of
those that bothered to register to vote did vote in the last election for
president. The SADEST part about it is that was a 10million voter increase
over previous election.
There is some 210million people registered to vote 132million bothered. 

Take this in comparison with say Sweden (which I know a lot of since I'm
original from there)
In Sweden you do NOT have to registered to vote. Once your 18 you are not
only eligible to vote but your expected to vote. Consider there is no
obligation and everyone 18 and older is considered a registered voter. In
the last 30 years (vote for Parliament, no we don't have a president or king
with powers) the LOWEST voting record was 80.1% and highest 91.8% turn out
to vote. 

So end of 2012 anyone here I do not want to hear that they didn't vote. Go
vote and while you are at it bring a friend or three to vote as well. Your
voice can be heard. I'm sure there are at least 4000 people in Missouri that
are today glad they voted to show the color of their state.
North Carolina there is probably 14000 people today that wished they had
voted.

Alright of my soap box.

Back to wireless talk for me doing my once a year of topic outburst ;) 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

I have not voted to this day, to be honest.

It is the masses and the public that votes and they well out number me.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.
--- Winston Churchill


On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:

 Josh

 How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly
 matters?

 I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.

 Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!


 On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
 
  Now he's really pissing me off.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
  continue
  that counts.
  --- Winston Churchill
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
  (USA) give
  things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
  case of the
  net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
  used to
  attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
  everyone
  connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack
  or
  attempt to hack into our networks.
  -RickG
 
  On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-
  access.com
  wrote:
 
  From NewsMax:
 
  Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
 
  Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
  By: Bradley A. Blakeman
 
  Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
  investment of
  U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
  today.
 
  Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of
  the
  Web
  from the United States to foreign powers.
 
  Some background: The Internet came into being because of the
  genius work
  of
  Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
  working
  for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
  Projects
  Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented
  the idea
  of
  open-architecture networking.
 
  This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of
  the
  Internet.
 
  These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
  worldwide
  computer Internet communications network that forever changed the
  world
  and
  how we communicate in it.
 
  They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
  (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a
  network of
  servers would allow users to 

Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread Eje Gustafsson
What is faster morse code or cell phone texting... 

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoID=2025791
097

Yeah... Kids today got things to learn 

;) 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] test

Maybe not strange, but happy:
http://www.happychild.org.uk/ifs/3mrs.htm

This wouldve been nice as a child:
http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/morse.shtml

This is kinda funny:
http://www.zianet.com/sparks/coder.html

-RickG

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 That would be SOS in morse.  So there!

 That's one I actually knew  I had a strange childhood.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] test

 ha ha


 heres a test

 ... _ _ _ ...

 wonder how many folks are long time users and know that one real
 fast ;-)



 On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Robert West wrote:

  Okay, I know it's a test but I'm not very good with tests.  I didn't
  even
  know there was going to be a test..  This sucks.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On
  Behalf Of Gino Villarini
  Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:31 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] test
 
 
 
 
 
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  g...@aeronetpr.com
 
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 
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Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread Eje Gustafsson
In the speed texting championships you are not allowed any spellaids or
predictive text program. 
The fastest texters all recorded their speed texting on 12 key phones. 
I could see allowing a competition between a qwerty keyboard and morse. But
spellaids and predictive text programs wouldn't be fair. I still believe
morse would win because keys are smaller and harder to find on a qwerty then
double/triple tapping a one out of 12 keys. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] test

Rigged.  There is no Blackberry keyboard - just that awful 12-key
thing (not t9 autofill, but a total of 12 keys).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill



On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 What is faster morse code or cell phone texting...


http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoID=2025791
 097

 Yeah... Kids today got things to learn

 ;)

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] test

 Maybe not strange, but happy:
 http://www.happychild.org.uk/ifs/3mrs.htm

 This wouldve been nice as a child:
 http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/morse.shtml

 This is kinda funny:
 http://www.zianet.com/sparks/coder.html

 -RickG

 On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 That would be SOS in morse.  So there!

 That's one I actually knew  I had a strange childhood.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] test

 ha ha


 heres a test

 ... _ _ _ ...

 wonder how many folks are long time users and know that one real
 fast ;-)



 On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Robert West wrote:

  Okay, I know it's a test but I'm not very good with tests.  I didn't
  even
  know there was going to be a test..  This sucks.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On
  Behalf Of Gino Villarini
  Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:31 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] test
 
 
 
 
 
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  g...@aeronetpr.com
 
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Syslog

2010-01-27 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Syslog is udp by default. This is what MikroTik expects it to be. 

/ Eje
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Syslog

Does anyone know if MT sends out syslog information on TCP or UDP?  I know 
it's port 514.  I've figured out how to have rsyslog listen to UDP 514, but 
not TCP.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:05 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Syslog

 I'm looking to setup a syslog server.  Like most things open source, 
 there's a whole bunch of projects that sound great, but have been 
 abandoned for years.

 I'm looking for a setup that's hopefully backed by MySQL.  I'd like a GUI 
 of some sort as I really detest the CLI for most things.

 It looks like syslog-ng is the way to go, but the GUI part is difficult to

 figure out.

 oh, and Linux based.  Looking to run this in an OpenVZ container.


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Re: [WISPA] omni upside down

2010-01-27 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip
antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems)
My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that.
Antenna diversion or increased base station density. 
Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3 up
and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my
guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access
road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to
the tower leg joints. 

/ Eje

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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down

While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside
down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this?
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Re: [WISPA] omni upside down

2010-01-27 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Not much, probably if you need multiple omnis you would install sectors. But
if you need antenna diversity and use omnis this is one of the easier way to
do it since you just need one standoff bracket. However when doing need to
be wary of downtilt antennas especially for the omni tilted down and ensure
you have no weep holes or similar that now end up at the top of the antenna.

But with directional antennas on the client it seems base station diversity
is not any greater advantage. It's good for roaming mobile users (laptops,
pda, cellphones) that might not have direct LOS to the base station. On
Direct LOS there is no reason to use diversity unless you are doing a mimo
setup using a 2 chain radio. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] omni upside down

Thanks!
Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this?
-RickG

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip
 antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range
 systems)
 My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like
 that.
 Antenna diversion or increased base station density.
 Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3
 up
 and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my
 guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the
access
 road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to
 the tower leg joints.

 / Eje

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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down

 While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted
upside
 down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in
this?
 -RickG





 
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Re: [WISPA] Public IP behind Transparent Bridge

2010-01-20 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yes you can do route the publics over a internal private ip network but of
course you do not want/need to nat. 
Drawback (advantage) is that people on the outside can not traceroute
through your internal network because you use private ips but that don't
prohibit them from reaching the public ips on your inside internal network. 

This is sent from a machine with a public of 12.x.x.158 in between the
location I'm at and my core router (connected to my upstream) I have 2
routers with ONLY private ips. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public IP behind Transparent Bridge

I hear ya.  If not by bridging, what other option could be used to move the
public IP?  I NAT everything, public IP's big mega mucho $$ for me, hate it.
Can you route the public through a network that is all NAT?  Just for future
knowledge

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public IP behind Transparent Bridge

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 15:45, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Before I start tearing into things and make a mess for myself, can one
have
 a public IP behind a transparent bridge?


Yup. I can vouch for Josh Luthman's instructions. Heck, I have the whole
turn a pair of Mikrotik radios into transparent bridges instructions down
to a one-pager, suitable for the field techs to use. While many on this list
preach that bridging is bad (and they're often right), the ability to turn a
pair of boards into an easy drop-in replacement/upgrade for older
bridging-only gear (Trango 5800, I'm looking at you) is a powerful one.

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[WISPA] Skype To FCC Request Net Neutrality

2010-01-15 Thread Eje Gustafsson
http://gigaom.com/2010/01/14/skype-to-fcc-keep-internet-open-neutral/

 

If this already been posted my apologies but can't recall seeing anything
about this today. 

 

/ Eje




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Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?

2010-01-12 Thread Eje Gustafsson
We among many others carry this one. 
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ8eq=Tp=

Since this is an indoor model and should be placed as close as possible to
the poe powered device to provide maximum protection to the unit for any
power surge induced over you cat5 run I have personally never tested it with
Canopy. But it should work well with as far as I know it does not
distinguish between positive or negative requirements on the power cablings.
Keep in mind that that unit clamps at 60V which is far more than Standard
Canopy units can handle. 

Better selection might be the SP-POE-MJ24 which is designed to protect 24V
units and have a clamping level of 30V on the power side and 7.5V on the
data wires. 
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ24eq=Tp=

We use them all the time with MikroTik and Ubiquiti radios as well sell them
for that usage. I could if you want test to make sure they work with Canopy
but I do not see a reason why not from my knowledge of the units design.

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor
withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?

Will these work with Canopy? Where can you get them? Price? They look like
really nice units and they way they separate the data and power protection
seems a better idea than competing products.

Thanks,
Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:56:40 -0600

I guess I hit enter before I was thru typing.

I also use the Citel in-line suppressors (60v) in every AP that I build.
http://www.citel.us/data_sheets/dataline/MJ850524D3A6012B-DataSheet.pdf

Knock on wood, I have never lost an ethernet port on a unit that has 
this surge suppressor installed.
I had an AP go dead a couple of months ago.  When I opened the enclosure 
there was water in the bottom of the enclosure and the surge suppressor 
was actually melted from the connector shorting out, but the MT board 
was fine.

LaRoy  McCann
Data Technology

Josh Luthman wrote:
 I know it isn't said very often but the voltages for the devices we
commonly
 use are

 Canopy 12-24v
 Nano/Locostations 12-25v
 MT 4xx 10-28v

 Cordless drill battery 18-22v

 Having a mobile POE priceless

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote:

   
 Good point about the voltage.
 I use them mostly for UBNT CPE.  What MT units I used them with were 18
 or 24V.



 Tom DeReggi wrote:
 
 The 600SSB still clamps at 35V like the 300SS, right?

 If so, make sure you are using Less than 35V Mikrotiks units and not
48V
 configurations.

 As an alternative Citel also makes a nice outdoor mountable unit
 specifically for wifi pin-outs, about the same cost ($25ish).
 They have both 60Vand 35V models.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com
 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List 
   
 wireless@wispa.org
 
 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor
   
 with
 
 UBNT radios or Mikrotik?



   
 Yes you can.  You have to move the ground jumper.  Just loosen the
nuts
 and move the jumper to the hole with no copper.
 The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground.

 LaRoy McCann
 Data Technology


 Scott Carullo wrote:

 
 Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped...

 Thanks

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102



   



 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for this
very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD. 

It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools
;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new Ryobi
One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a
similar for their batteries ;) 

/ Eje

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

Josh,

Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the

indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery 
fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power 
supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction 
box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep 
track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for  
20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and 
then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to 
find out, but taht is not always the case.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 Tom,

 Problem solved:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg

 That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
 Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi 
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet
 port.

 There is good reason for that.
 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving
 residential.

 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
 Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
 second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, 
 and
 no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and
 functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly
 with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
 distracted by customer.

   c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
 cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut 
 right
 under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
 opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass 
 thru
 jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

 I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
 enough
 margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.

 But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
 pleasing,
 and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
 footprint, and dual ether.

 I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second
 Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
 likely occur.
 But its nice to dream. :-)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
  clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
  You can get them with SR/XR9.
 
  Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.
 
  Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
  I'll order one to try out.
 
  thanks,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
 
 
 
  How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save 
  $50+.
 
  http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=
 
  I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the 
  office
  build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
  builds/hr).
 
  Some of them they did build as I made a mistake 

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it... 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

Look at the picture better.  It says patent pending.

Zoomed in:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for
 this
 very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD.

 It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools
 ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new
 Ryobi
 One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a
 similar for their batteries ;)

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Josh,

 Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE
 the

 indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery
 fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

 Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power
 supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction
 box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep
 track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 
 20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and
 then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to
 find out, but taht is not always the case.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


  Tom,
 
  Problem solved:
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg
 
  That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
  Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi
  wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:
 
  What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second
Ethernet
  port.
 
  There is good reason for that.
  1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
  2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if
serving
  residential.
 
  3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
 a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
  Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
 Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
  second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
  and
  no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up
and
  functioning.
 b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
easilly
  with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
  distracted by customer.
 
c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
  cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
  right
  under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
  opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass
  thru
  jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.
 
  I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
  enough
  margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.
 
  But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
  pleasing,
  and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
  footprint, and dual ether.
 
  I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a
 second
  Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
  likely occur.
  But its nice to dream. :-)
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
 
 
  I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
   clients.  One less connector to fail due

Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Only if you get caught? ;) 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

Isn't that fraud?

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Gives me an idea  old lightning zapped cpe's  find a house
 fire.  Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever
 number
 messed up units one may have, after the fact of course...

 Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco
 router...

 Bob-


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

 So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to
 turn it into their insurance. -RickG

 On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

  Lost our first CPE from a house fire.  Guy was so down on the phone, I
  couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE.  What
  have you done?
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
  Chuck Hogg
 
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com
 
  http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



 
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[WISPA] FUD spreading again - WAS RE: Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Sigh.. Ignorance is bliss I guess. But never mind. Since you never
investigated nor understand the rules I'm not going to let you know that
there are plenty of MikroTik units out there that passed FCC cert lab
testing and have FCC approval and modular systems that passed FCC
enforcement inspection. 

Ohh and with your belief every single laptop with a modular WiFi card is
then not certified. I hope all your laptops your company and you personally
use then uses USB sticks and that the card is not a mpci with the original
mpci FCC cert code stickered on the laptop. But my guess that is the case.
Do me this go to FCC's grant code database and search for your WiFi cards
certificate and read over the documents and see how the card was tested and
let me know if it was tested WITH YOUR particular laptop model and brand. 
If not I guess per your own words Ralph you are not using FCC certified
products. Life stinks. 

So tired of self proclaimed experts. Once you been involved in FCC certify
equipment and gotten products certified let's talk. 

/ Eje

On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ralph wrote:

 Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own
 gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products.

 On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 You can use MikroTik and be legal.

 Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or
 checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD.

 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

 We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as  
 injection
 radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems.  Of
 course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end
 performance.

 Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal.

 On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote:

 I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs.
 Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to
 me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks
 good on paper and hoping that it will actually work

 Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will
 give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 --
 but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a
 profitable business?

 Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have
 had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact
 that these systems don't scale

 The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several
 thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air
 Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million
 building out

 It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP
 debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free
 while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of
 tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of
 customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on
 Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming
 team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was
 joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot
 easier to just buy a Broadsoft)

 I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =)

 -Charles



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Re: [WISPA] UBNT M5 series nanostation

2009-12-18 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yes a NSM5 can talk with a MikroTik 11n unit. Currently they have some
issues with the M5's talking with Legacy (802.11a) equipment a new firmware
should be forth coming shortly. The latest solved a lot of the problems but
not completely. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Data Technology
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT M5 series nanostation

I have not used any UBNT M series units yet so I have a couple of questions.

Is an NS M5 compatible with Mikrotik 802.11N or does it have to be used 
with the Rocket M basestation?
Can it be used with Mikrotik 802.11A?

LaRoy McCann
Data Technology




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Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-17 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Talk about hand warmers. I saw at the dollar tree they had hand warmers
(reusable). I had those reusable before ad they are GREAT. There is a small
metal button inside you pop and it starts to get warm. After a while
they start to cool down ad start to get hard. To make it usable again just
boil it and it gets soft again and once it gets cool it's ready to use just
pop the button again. 

You could find them before in wild life stores but they seemed to be
numerous dollars there but been a while since I looked for them so might be
lot cheaper today..

/Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

I picked up whole box of them tonight at Advance Auto while getting some
transmission fluid.  20 in a box, 89 cents each.  Says will last 7 hours.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

I like the hand warmer idea.  I see em for less than a buck per 
regularly.  Thanks for the tip.

mg

At 02:01 PM 12/17/2009, you wrote:
Yeah, you are an id10t!  Yikes.

It's only internet guys!  NO ONE IS GONNA DIE if it doesn't work.  Oh, they
act like they will, but they wont.

Safety first, and last.  If you aren't safe out there, it'll be the last
thing you do in this business or any other.  We get in enough jams just
doing what we have to do.  Lets not compound the problem.

OK, having said that.  I keep a box full (yes a box full) of those chemical
hand and foot warmers in the car this time of year.  EVERY car.  When I
have
to work outside for any amount of time (I tend to not wear gloves at all,
can't work with them) I tape one to the inside of my wrist.  Right where
you'd check your pulse.  That does an amazing job of warming the blood
going
into your hands.  Try it some time, you'll be amazed at how warm your hands
stay.

You can also put one or two of them in your front pants pocket and that'll
help keep your feet warm.  I found out that riding a dirt bike stirs up too
much air and they get really hot!  I ended up with blistered skin on my
legs
from a couple of them.  If they start to feel too hot, they are.  I'd have
never guessed that that could have happened!

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot


  Mine seem to freeze at approximately... oh  28 degrees while
  holding
  onto a steel ladder in a 17mph wind, at least that's my best estimation.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:33 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
 
  Really glad you're OK!  I have never been able to keep my fingers
  decent - they freeze at 50!
 
  On 12/16/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
  I'm an idiot.
 
 
 
  Had to climb to the top of a tower this afternoon.  300 foot tower.
  Drive
  to the tower, put on the harness and all the other crap, grab the hat,
  all
  good.  No gloves.  Figures.  Where are the gloves?  The NEW gloves?
  Home.
  All I had was a thin pair of leather work gloves.  Did I go up?
  Certainly,
  because I'm an idiot.
 
 
 
   I can now almost feel my fingers.
 
 
 
  Was a balmy 28 degrees out with winds to 17 mph.
 
 
 
  Just had to share my utter stupidity.  Never again.
 
 
 
  Robert West
 
  Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
 
  740-335-7020
 
 
 
 
 
 
  


  
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

2009-12-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Last weeks shipment is all gone of the NSM5's but another container is
following closely behind hopefully should have it in next week. 

/ Eje
WISP-Router, Inc. 
Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:57 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

You can check with CTI, I talked to them Monday and they had a few but had
to buy 4 or 5 to get them.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

Anyone have the Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 in stock?

Matt




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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Don't forget the towel.. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

The universal answer to all questions.

I had all but forgotten it...  Thanks!

now, if I could just remember

--
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:42 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

 roflol

 Now THAT's funny!

 So long and thanks for all the fish!
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice


 42 is the answer.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:01 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

 Thats right!  And the government will provide us with REAL salaries too!
 Actually, all I'm seeing is a REAL shaft coming.
 Oh, one correction though, thinking on this list. should be by some
 thinking on this list. :)
 Not all here think the government is the answer.
 -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

 That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government.

 Just like REAL health care.
 Just like REAL education.
 Just like REAL science.

 Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise
 thinking on this list.I have learned.

 All that private enterprise stuff... that's just profitmongering at the
 expense of the people.Get the government to buy it for you, and 
 spend
 7
 times as much for it and it's virtue, caring, love, and sainthood, all 
 in
 one package.



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 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

   http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx
   
 
  The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President
  Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband
  access, according to a new study from Insight Research.
 
  Scottie
 
  Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as
  $30.00/mth.
  Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.
 
 
 



 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

2009-12-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yepp that is the shipment with the antennas. I thought the antennas was on
the shipment we were to receive last week but it's on the shipment that is
still on its way hopefully should be in no later than next week because we
want to ship as many out we can before we close for inventory between
Christmas and new years. Hopefully we will just be closed for no more than 2
days there but could be longer depending how the count will go. 

/ Eje
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Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:51 PM
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Any idea if you have antennas on that shipment, the 16-120s in particular


Scott Piehn
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From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5


 Last weeks shipment is all gone of the NSM5's but another container is
 following closely behind hopefully should have it in next week.

 / Eje
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 Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter

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 Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:57 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

 You can check with CTI, I talked to them Monday and they had a few but had
 to buy 4 or 5 to get them.



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 Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:48 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

 Anyone have the Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 in stock?

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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Eje Gustafsson
And whom is providing the government with the monies to do this? The tax
payers and isn't a tax payer allowed to comment/argue what the monies are
being used for? 

Can just look at for example Kansas where the government done a poor job in
managing the monies. 8 years ago toll free numbers was removed. This year
education gotten almost $500 in reduction, might not have monies to pay
government payroll. Was talks last year that they might not be able to
payout tax refunds (monies where the tax payers paid too MUCH). 

Anyone paying taxes have the right to bitch, whine and gripe about the
government on anything they do that cost monies. Now if I or others might
want to hear it here or in another place that is a different matter. 

/ Eje 

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Behalf Of Tim Sylvester
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on
this list by people who ...

- sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to
them by the FCC for free or low cost.
- sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed by
DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation.
- drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the
government.
- sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions in
government subsidies per year.
- connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the Rural
Electric Administration.
- use VA health services.
- will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire.
- call the police and fire department when they need help.
- send their kids to public schools.

Amazing.

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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna

2009-11-18 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Or change the clients channel first before you change the AP... Also in WDS
slave mode the client will automatically follow the AP

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Data Technology
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna

I just got my 1 and only wds client off of wds.
He had a neighbor at the bottom of a hill that wanted service so I came 
up with the idea of using wds to get them service.
It worked but if you have to change channels on the access point the wds 
client will not change automatically.  You have to go out and manually 
change the client's channel.  A real pain.

LaRoy McCann

Robert West wrote:
 I was curious, how many of you folks use the External Antenna connection
on
 the Nanostation and how are you using them?  I have never utilized it but
 last night a customer asked about a wireless router to add a laptop to
their
 service and thought about installing an external antenna to the NS2 and
 putting it in Station WDS to see what that would do for me.  Was concerned
 though about creating headaches.  I have enough already.

 Any thoughts?

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[WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln

2009-11-11 Thread Eje Gustafsson
http://www.reuters.com/article/CMPTRS/idUSN1138008420091112

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln

2009-11-11 Thread Eje Gustafsson
This article very nicely outlines possibilities behind the move. 

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2009/tc2009_678209.htm

/ Eje

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln

This was brought up in an IRC channel earlier today no one could
answer this question:

What does 3com have that prospective buyers want?

On 11/11/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Don't know about doing it with vlans but the RB450G's (the gigaethernet
model) and Rb493AH (high cpu powered unit) can easily handle 50+mbps without
breaking much of a sweet. Have a RB450G that is pushing an average of 6Mbps
and cpu load don't go over 5% but this unit don't have any vlans active on
it and setup as a l3 switch.  

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Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:42 PM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ?

Also, how do they handle 50+ mbps of traffic and doing port based vlans?

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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client

2009-11-05 Thread Eje Gustafsson
The correct list price is $74 for the ECB-3220 set by EnGenius. 
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=ECB-3220eq=Tp=

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:27 PM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client

Engenius.

The ECB3220 (you can set them for bridge/router mode and have them ready to
go for the customer!) is pretty good and they're $81 list:
http://www.tessco.com/products/displayHierarchySkus.do?groupId=591subgroupI
d=48showFilterItems=trueeventGroup=4eventPage=1

USB adapter is ok - not a fan of needing drivers on windows.

The end of September (or around there) they were $65 for two (so we paid
around $30 for each device).  Make a Tessco account, make friends with your
account rep, make sure he knows you use these and they will contact you when
the sale shows up.

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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote:

 So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right
on
 the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but
we
 don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens.
 We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less
 then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up
 then most laptops with built in wireless.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106






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Re: [WISPA] Will a MT Crossroads do WDS Station with a UBNT Powerstation2 (also in WDS station)?

2009-10-31 Thread Eje Gustafsson
 Yes MT have no problem doing WDS with any of the Ubnt products. One need to
be master two wds stations can not talk one need to be master the other
slave/station.  But otherwise yes no problems. 

http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=MikroPilot-crdeq=Tp=

Complete unit. 16dBi panel, poe injector and powersupply. Is a FCC certified
unit with sticker but I'm sure you can peel those off if you need to ;) 
Vertical polarity only is only drawback. 

/ Eje

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Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Will a MT Crossroads do WDS Station with a UBNT
Powerstation2 (also in WDS station)?

Does anyone know if the MT Crossroads will do WDS station with a UBNT 
Powerstation2 also in WDS station?

Does anyone know where I can get a MT Crossroads as a complete unit with 
panel antenna enclosure and PoE, ready to hang? FCC cert/sticker not an 
issue, this is for the jungle of Venezuela. Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

2009-10-28 Thread Eje Gustafsson
That would mean increased cost on the units. People is more interested in
price and MT products not capable of 48VDC and the sale of them caused such
a dip in the 48V MT products that the 48VDC product line became too
expensive to produce due to lack of quantity so choice was either increase
price or drop the line. So the product was dropped because increase in price
would mean even more people felt the advantage wasn't enough to justify
paying that much more which would lead to even lower sale which would
increased the cost and there is a level when producing a product does not
become economical because the quantity is not enough. 

 

On MOST of their products we can do a special order MOQ 100 pcs last I
checked at a slightly higher price than previous list price. Got need enough
for 100 pcs RB532 or 100 pcs RB100 series boards. We still have RB230's
left. 

 

Or of course you could buy RB600 which handles 10-56V on power jack or 38 to
56V on POE port.  So you actually do have one option still available that
gives you a powerful unit that is still manufactured and sold. So I guess
comes down to how much is it worth to you the option is STILL there but I
would assume you want the 48V option on the lower cost routers and that will
not happen because that is ONE of the reason the products are cheaper. That
said the choice is up to you actually since the product is available. 

 

/ Eje

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

 

I want MikroTik to go back to 48VDC!

Randy Cosby wrote: 

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3t=36191start=0
t=36191start=0
 
I'm pulling my hair out and wasting all kinds of money on voltage 
regulators to make sure my solar and dc-powered sites don't cause 
mikrotik routerboards to go into over-voltage protection when the 
batteries get charged over 28v.
 
I'm begging (and asking for you to join me) Mikrotik to:
 
1. Upgrade the over-voltage protection to 30v or higher on 24 volt products.
2. Never EVER make another routerboard that runs has over-voltage 
protection at 28v
3. Change the over-voltage behavior to cause the device to reboot when 
the voltage drops to acceptable levels, instead of requiring a 
power-cycle to bring it back to life.
 
Will you join me on this and let Mikrotik, your distributor, etc. know 
your thoughts on this? This is not a new problem, it has been discussed 
repeatedly on the lists and forums.
 
Thanks!
 
 
  

 




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Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

2009-10-28 Thread Eje Gustafsson
NAT is unfortunately not very scalable but also never told is the amount of
subs that are being natted and through how many ips. NAT _IS_ an issue. But
comes down to business model. Do you spend the time for tech support and
issues handling this on an ongoing basis or do you spend the money and buy
your own space. Either way will cost you money or do you just borrow space
from upstream and go through renumber every time you move to a new provider.
If you renumber then it will to cost monies but at least only the few times
you change providers which I would think is not very frequently since you
probably locked into a one or multi year contract. Also the time (cost) to
renumber depends how your delivering ips to your clients (one reason I
personally recommend dhcp even if you give your client a static ip because
if you need to renumber you just change that one ip on your dhcp server and
wait a few days. Most of the time the reason your moving from one provider
to another is for cheaper bandwidth. But with that in mind you have to look
at is it WORTH saving X amount of $ to move and renumber or what not. Say if
I got 50Mbit for the same price I was paying for 15Mbit and my 15 was
starting to fill up then yes a reasonable amount of renumbering would be
well worth it. 

There is NOTHING you can do to fix a problem doing a large network NAT to
single IP when a website say sorry to much traffic because all your
clients shows as sending traffic from that single ip. Maybe you could do an
agreement with that one website host but that is just an interim solution. 

If your set on staying with NAT because you think it is the most economical
even if that means more tech support time and issues that you have to pay
tech support time then well one need to minimize the amount of subs that
uses a single IP. With any linux router you can do a src-nat and specify
that this group/subnet of IPs should be NAT'd to this public and this
group/subnet is NAT'd to this public. I would ASSUME (you know what they say
about that) that if you getting the sorry to much traffic message that
your NATing an entire network behind a single IP on a core router instead of
NATing at each individual tower site so that each AP or tower itself is
NATted to it's own unique public IP. 
Later is my own personal preference if NATing needs to be done because if
you get a court/RIA or just abuse complaint you at least know which tower is
causing the problem so instead of trying to figure out from 2k customers (I
think that is what Matt said the other day he had) you now just need to
figure out from maybe 50 customer whom is the guilty party. 

My personal preference is to give public ips combination PPPoE and Hotspot
(dhcp server) this way if need renumber all need to do is add a new pool of
IP's and change the server which pool to use once client automatically
changed over to use the new ips then it's time to retired the old ones and
if you end up taking to long you simply start NATing the old ip space behind
the new until it can be swapped over. 

Last time we renumbered it took me 5 hours of work and planning to renumber
3 /24's majority of this time was spent on changing all our servers IP's
from old IP to new IP (got almost an entire /24 just for server ip space).
Way before this was done I had updated our DNS to a 5min cache setting (TTL)
for all our domains (regex sed job that took 15 min to whip up since I also
had to make sure the serial was updated). I did this a few weeks before we
were ready. I created NAT rule to forward the NEW server ips to my old
server IPs on my router once we did took the new link live. Then Started the
task to change the server ips. Once a server ip was changed the nat rule was
disabled. 
New pools and networks was created on all our access routers and pppoe
concentrators (took longer to break up blocks and figure out what needed to
go where then what it took to do the configuration). 
I could have but didn't changed the DHCP lease times to say 5min to make the
swap faster and could have disconnected all PPPoE users to force them to
take a new ip. But I rather waited and let it swap normally. 

Larger network with twice amount of towers and clients I would say might add
another couple of hours to my renumbering time. A 2k network assuming my
approach and setup would probably take around 10 hours (depending on how
many servers needed ip changes and updates) without the servers renumber
would take probably no more then 5-6 hours. At $150/hr (being generous) at
10 hours it's $1500. I think you are looking at about $3k a year for your
own IP space. I'm still a head even if I changed provider yearly. But if I
did I would have it down to an art and time frame would probably be lot less
in the future. 

With NATing on a Core I would expect to have almost an single tech guy that
would spend most of his time handling those issues and dealing with
customers problems from natting and assigning publics. Even if I'm generous
and 

Re: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right to bar telecommunicationstowers

2009-10-26 Thread Eje Gustafsson
You can find a lot of fake palm trees in Las Vegas for similar reasons that
if they didn't hide the towers then they couldn't put up any more. Drive
north towards Nellis airforce base on I-15 on the left side along the rail
road tracks one of the palms is not a real palm. There are plenty others
around that I seen on different smaller roads. 

Cities wants cell phones and good coverage but many starts to be sticklers
about letting the towers go up to give this coverage. T-mobile and ATT had
a very long outdrawn fight to be able to install the towers they needed in
Pittsburg to get the coverage required. They ended up having to share tower
but even then it was not easy for then. Sister town Frontenac expedited
their request on the other hand. The differences between cities politics and
building approvals can be very different (one reason we are now located in
Frontenac instead of Pittsburg because Frontenac bent over backwards to make
us happy and get us going while with both Pittsburg as well the county
everything we wanted threw up red flags). 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right to bar
telecommunicationstowers

The town of Saddle River NJ fought the phone company and they reached an
agreement - the phone company decorated the tower with fake evergreen
branches. The tower looks like a big pine tree. If you're ever driving on
Rt. 17 look at the big pine tree right next to the highway at the Saddle
River exit.

Greg

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Jeff Broadwick
jeffl...@comcast.netwrote:

 After all, travel is often as much about the journey as it is about the
 destination.

 WOW?!?!

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:48 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right to bar
 telecommunicationstowers

 http://www.benton.org/outgoingframe/29127


 -
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Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

2009-10-21 Thread Eje Gustafsson
It's the feed that determine the frequency. If there is no markings on it
the only reasonable way is to use something like a Bird Site Analyzer to
figure out your VSWR on the feed and see where the VSWR and return loss is
the best. 
The dish itself only focus the energy in one particular spot then it's up to
the feed to pick out the frequency you are interested in. If it's a grid
dish certain spacing between the members are good for certain ranges of
frequency but a solid does not have this issue.

Polarity comes down to the feed again how it's installed in the dish. By
rotating the feed 90deg in the mount will change your polarity. 

/ Eje

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Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:43 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

I have 4 two ft dishes that where pulled down when the previous wisp
went out of business. There are no markings on them and I need to
determine frequency and polarity.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

2009-10-21 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Diameter is irrelevant and will not tell you frequency. The feed is
determine the frequency. 

If these are Pacific Wireless dishes then they are 5GHz assuming these are
solid dishes since Pac never produced a 2.4GHz feedhorn for their solid
dishes at least during the 6+ years we been one of their distributors. 

Only question would be if they are narrow frequency 5GHz or wideband 5GHz
feeds. They been selling the wideband feeds for about 2 years now during
this time the narrow frequency feeds have not been very popular. 
But even if they where narrow frequency 5GHz and you used it on the wrong
5Ghz frequency then they would still work except your gain would be down
3-4dB from what they could do. 

I cannot on top of my head recall how to determine the installed polarity of
the feed but will go back to the warehouse to take a quick look to see how
the feed needs to be installed for vertical and horizontal since it's
impossible to tell by looking at the head of the feed on these dishes.  

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz dishes?
Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:

 I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only
 equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went out of
 business.

 Mark McElvy
 AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
 573.729.9200 - Office
 573.729.9203 - Fax
 573.247.9980 - Mobile
 http://www.accubak.com/
 http://www.accubak.net/
 Nationwide Internet Access
 Accurate backups for your critical data!


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of ccrum
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

 Got a spectrum analyzer and a frequency generator? Or a good network
 analyzer will do, but most people don't have one laying around. The
 feeds could literally be anything. You might be better off just calling
 the MFG of the dish and buying new feeds in the range you want unless
 you you have a few hours of extra time on your hands.

 Cameron

 Mark McElvy wrote:
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  went out of business. There are no markings on them and I need to
  determine frequency and polarity.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

2009-10-21 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Only reason why the feed arm is longer on a higher gain dish or grid is
because the grid or dish is larger and the focal point is further away from
the dish so the arm has to be longer but that is independent of frequency
because the focal point will always be at the same place on the same dish no
matter frequency. 

Think of a dish as a magnifying glass. Depending on the size and shape of
the glass you have to hold it so far away to get best magnification.
Remember when you where kid and toasted ants with a magnifying glass you had
to hold it so far away from the ant to get that really strong white pinpoint
on the ant. If you took a different size glass you had to change the
distance but the distance was always the same for the one particular glass
no matter what kind of light source (sun, light bulb, fluorescent, candle). 
The same is true with a dish / grid. The size and shape of it determine
where all the light (in our case RF) is being strongest bunched up and the
frequency is just different light sources. 

Replace the feed that is designed for a different frequency on the dish/grid
and that grid now work on that frequency. 

But with a grid the higher frequency your wanting to use the closer the
spacing between the grid members has to be to be the most efficient. 1
works good for 900 and 2.4 but 0.5 is recommended for 5Ghz or higher. 
On a solid dish you have no such issues or concerns since it's a perfect
mirror. 

/ Eje 

Dear animal protection activists. No ants where harmed in this telling... ;)


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

The feedhorn specifically.  Maybe the length will help you too.  I know with
higher gain the 5GHz grids are noticeably longer.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:

 Hmmm, pretty sure a 2' dish is a 2' dish regardless of frequency...or are
 you speaking of the diameter of the feed?

 Best,


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

 Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz dishes?
 Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:

  I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only
  equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went out of
  business.
 
  Mark McElvy
  AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
  573.729.9200 - Office
  573.729.9203 - Fax
  573.247.9980 - Mobile
  http://www.accubak.com/
  http://www.accubak.net/
  Nationwide Internet Access
  Accurate backups for your critical data!
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of ccrum
  Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:29 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
 
  Got a spectrum analyzer and a frequency generator? Or a good network
  analyzer will do, but most people don't have one laying around. The
  feeds could literally be anything. You might be better off just calling
  the MFG of the dish and buying new feeds in the range you want unless
  you you have a few hours of extra time on your hands.
 
  Cameron
 
  Mark McElvy wrote:
   I have 4 two ft dishes that where pulled down when the previous wisp
   went out of business. There are no markings on them and I need to
   determine frequency and polarity.
  
  
  
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   AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

2009-10-21 Thread Eje Gustafsson
The feeds used on the Pac/Laird 2 dishes is 8.5 long from flange to the
bottom of the feed. 
The new wide band feeds are a flat looking disk 5.75 in diameter. 

http://store.wisp-router.com/customkititems.asp?kc=DA5W%2D29eq=#
Shows a picture of the old narrow band feed it's about 2 in diameter. 

You can see a picture of the wide band feed at
http://store.wisp-router.com/customkititems.asp?kc=DA5W%2D32eq=

It looks just the same on the 2ft dish even if I linked to the 3ft. 

If you need a wide band 5Ghz feed for the 2ft dish then this
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=DA5W%2D29%2DFEEDeq=Tp=
Should work assuming the length of the arm is correct. 
(not that the picture is the old style narrow band but the item we have in
stock is actually the wideband, guess I need to make sure we get the picture
updated for this item). 

On the wideband if the N-female connector is up/down then you are set for
vertical and if the connector is to either side your set for horizontal. 
On the old style feed the connector is straight back and there should be
markings on the base if this marking is up/down your in vertical, side
either side it's horizontal. I want to recall it's just a notch or circular
depression (do not have any of those feed left so can not verify). 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

I suppose the may not be pacwireless as I have determined they are 2.4
by hooking the up to a CM9 and when ap is in 5.8 I see nothing and when
in 2.4 I can see. Now I just need to find 5.8 feedhorns to fit this
dish.

Mark 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:10 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

Assuming they're Pac (not sure how that was determined)

You know they are 2.4 or 5Ghz

Eje just said: If these are Pacific Wireless dishes then they are 5GHz
assuming these are
solid dishes since Pac never produced a 2.4GHz feedhorn for their solid
dishes at least during the 6+ years we been one of their distributors.

Obviously it's 5GHz!

Polarity is normally done with an arrow sticker on the base of the
feedhorn.  Of course if it's been out in the weather it's long gone.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:

 BTW Mark, if you determine they are PacWireless antennas I'd just punt
them
 on EBay and replace them with RadioWaves or Gabriel 2' antennas.  In
the
 long run you'll be a lot happier.  Just my opinion...

 Best,


 Brad




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Brad Belton
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:01 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

 Ok, just checking.  Good cover...grin

 Best,


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

 The feedhorn specifically.  Maybe the length will help you too.  I
know
 with
 higher gain the 5GHz grids are noticeably longer.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
wrote:

  Hmmm, pretty sure a 2' dish is a 2' dish regardless of
frequency...or are
  you speaking of the diameter of the feed?
 
  Best,
 
 
  Brad
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
 
  Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz
dishes?
  Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 wrote:
 
   I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only
   equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went
out
 of
   

Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

2009-10-21 Thread Eje Gustafsson
They are not. Without markings or other things to reference by all you can
do is measure current focal length and find a feed that matches that focal
length or adjust the new feed to the same focal length because the parabolic
curve determines where the focus point is on the dish/grid and different
manufactures can have slightly different parabolic curve on theirs but one
good thing is that a lot of grids and dishes sold on the market today are
sourced from a few true manufactures so brand X dish might be the same as
Brand Z the only difference between them is the feed itself where brand X
makes their own and Brand Z uses the Chines developed/copied design. 

Most mfgs have some kind of marking or labeling on them but weather will
kill the labeling over time and you have to rely on the markings but to
understand the markings one have to know the make which might be as easy to
figure out as trying to read the weather beaten label. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:33 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

Are all parabolic grids the same visually?  I would expect the mounting
hardware to be most distingushable.

Do you mean you can NOT depend on a lot of things, Scott?

From what I've picked up on this thread is there is no real way to identify
a dish nor feedhorn for polarity/frequency.  Stickers are a must.  Hear that
manufacturers?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Scott Reed
scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote:

 Feed length is based on dish size; where does the parabola focus.
 Nothing to do with frequency, everything reflects the same.
 Size of the feed horn isn't always an indicator either.  Can depend on a
 lot of things.

 Josh Luthman wrote:
  The feedhorn specifically.  Maybe the length will help you too.  I know
 with
  higher gain the 5GHz grids are noticeably longer.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:
 
 
  Hmmm, pretty sure a 2' dish is a 2' dish regardless of frequency...or
 are
  you speaking of the diameter of the feed?
 
  Best,
 
 
  Brad
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
 
  Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz
dishes?
  Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 wrote:
 
 
  I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only
  equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went out
 of
  business.
 
  Mark McElvy
  AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
  573.729.9200 - Office
  573.729.9203 - Fax
  573.247.9980 - Mobile
  http://www.accubak.com/
  http://www.accubak.net/
  Nationwide Internet Access
  Accurate backups for your critical data!
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of ccrum
  Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:29 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
 
  Got a spectrum analyzer and a frequency generator? Or a good network
  analyzer will do, but most people don't have one laying around. The
  feeds could literally be anything. You might be better off just
calling
  the MFG of the dish and buying new feeds in the range you want unless
  you you have a few hours of extra time on your hands.
 
  Cameron
 
  Mark McElvy wrote:
 
  I have 4 two ft dishes that where pulled down when the previous wisp
  went out of business. There are no markings on them and I need to
  determine frequency and polarity.
 
 
 
  Mark McElvy
  AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

2009-10-21 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Actually they did produce some 2.4GHz feeds but as far as I know they
decided not to market them but Pac sourced their solid dishes from China and
I know others that sold the same dish but the feeds many times where
different and they brought out their own feed for the dish. So it might be
same dish but branded different and sold with a 2.4GHz feed as I know there
at least used to be others selling 2ft solid dishes with 2.4GHz feeds. But I
know few that was interested in paying that much for a solid dish to use as
a 2.4GHz backhaul or use a solid dish at a CPE. Most people if they used
2.4GHz for backhauling they where/are to cheap to use a solid dish or 5GHz
radios so they all seem to go with cheap grid dishes or panels.

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:10 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

Assuming they're Pac (not sure how that was determined)

You know they are 2.4 or 5Ghz

Eje just said: If these are Pacific Wireless dishes then they are 5GHz
assuming these are
solid dishes since Pac never produced a 2.4GHz feedhorn for their solid
dishes at least during the 6+ years we been one of their distributors.

Obviously it's 5GHz!

Polarity is normally done with an arrow sticker on the base of the
feedhorn.  Of course if it's been out in the weather it's long gone.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:

 BTW Mark, if you determine they are PacWireless antennas I'd just punt
them
 on EBay and replace them with RadioWaves or Gabriel 2' antennas.  In the
 long run you'll be a lot happier.  Just my opinion...

 Best,


 Brad




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Brad Belton
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:01 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

 Ok, just checking.  Good cover...grin

 Best,


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency

 The feedhorn specifically.  Maybe the length will help you too.  I know
 with
 higher gain the 5GHz grids are noticeably longer.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:

  Hmmm, pretty sure a 2' dish is a 2' dish regardless of frequency...or
are
  you speaking of the diameter of the feed?
 
  Best,
 
 
  Brad
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
 
  Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz dishes?
  Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 wrote:
 
   I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only
   equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went out
 of
   business.
  
   Mark McElvy
   AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
   573.729.9200 - Office
   573.729.9203 - Fax
   573.247.9980 - Mobile
   http://www.accubak.com/
   http://www.accubak.net/
   Nationwide Internet Access
   Accurate backups for your critical data!
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
   Behalf Of ccrum
   Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:29 AM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
  
   Got a spectrum analyzer and a frequency generator? Or a good network
   analyzer will do, but most people don't have one laying around. The
   feeds could literally be anything. You might be better off just
calling
   the MFG of the dish and buying new feeds in the range you want unless
   you you have a few hours of extra time on your hands.
  
   Cameron
  
   Mark McElvy wrote:
I have 4 two ft dishes that where pulled down when the previous wisp
went out of business. There are 

Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have

2009-10-19 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Time to start using the drycleaner ;) I always get one or more nice new
multi-tool when I pick the drycleaning ;) 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:44 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have

Ah...  But go try and buy a metal coat hanger these days.  Our old
standby multi-tool is becoming extinct.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gary Garrett
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have

Its called a Coat Hanger.

Mark McElvy wrote:
 Where do you get or call those 1ft long wires?
 
 Mark McElvy
  
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
 
 Travis,
 
 If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at
 least $500 in labor. 
 
 It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER
 wrong.  These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best
 tools I've ever purchased.
 
 Those and a 1' long wire that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that
 it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the
 insulation etc.
 
 Laters,
 marlon
 
   - Original Message - 
   From: Travis Johnson 
   To: WISPA General List 
   Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
 
 
   These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my
 installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would
 cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :(
 
   Travis
   Microserv
 
   Mike wrote: 
 They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050
   Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com
 
 
 At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote:
   Yeah, those are awesome.  I wish they had shielded connectors as well.
 
 marlon
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have
 
 
 I have learned a lot from this list.  I think there is some real
 talent lurking here.  We all have discovered certain things which
 just make life as a WISP easier.  I think it would be beneficial to
 list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a
 description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware,
 software etc ... you would like to share with the group.
 
 I'll start:
 
 what: EZRJ-45 connector system
 where: www.ezrj45.com
 why:  As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I
 find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a
 CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end.  This is a quite
 ingenious system.  The plugs have holes all the way through.  You can
 verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the
 tags.  It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that
 cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place.  Maybe not a time
 saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver.  I've not miswired an
 Ethernet plug since I started using this system.
 
 Mike
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360

2009-10-05 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Doom.. =) 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360

I'm ashamed to admit I don't know the name, but it looks VERY 
familiar to the old Wolfenstein with updated backgrounds.  I can find 
out what the game is.  It's pretty gory shoot 'em up commando stuff.

At 10:54 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
I hate IPX.  I really do.

 From what I know Left 4 Dead on the Xbox is using central hosting servers
now.  I believe the games with larger volume players such as Bad Company do
this as well.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:

  2009/10/5 David E. Smith d...@mvn.net:
   Mike Hammett wrote:
   I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted.
  
   These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from
   central (text-based MUDs, games on the old AOL and CompuServe) to
   distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS
games)
   to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine,
   though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now,
   where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like
   World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games).
 
  Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer.
  None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it
  too good!
 
 
 
  



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Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue

2009-09-26 Thread Eje Gustafsson
If I had a CMM. The odd thing is when I generate sync all customers
associate but when I receive sync from the SyncPipe only a few associate. I
found after lot of playing one channel that allowed 4 clients to associate
to the AP when getting sync from timing port. But a SA test show this was
actually the worst frequency with interference... (??) 
I didn't test every single frequency but out of the 8 or so I tested with
generate sync all clients associate even on the frequency where only 1 or 2
clients would only associate when getting sync signal from timing port. 

Very perplexed. If it was that bad interference I would think that when
generate sync I would have similar bad results as when I use the syncpipe.
But when generate sync they associate but have occasionally drops and
re-regs. When syncing only 1-4 out of all clients associate.. I would think
if I was out of sync with other canopy AP's they would all associate but
would have the re-reg problems. 
I verified the GPS coordinates and height and with the two different GPS
units I used both showed same value as the GPS status page showed. 

Last night I tried set to sync from timing port and completely powercycled
the AP and syncpipe but same result. 

I'm lost on things to try besides trying a different syncpipe and different
serial cable. Except don't have another syncpipe nor CMM on hand right now
(the syncpipe was our spare)

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 1:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue

When you are generating sync you are completely out of sync with the
other canopy radios.  If you are just slightly out of sync, then you
can get some very strange results.  And they should be repeatable.

As for why it's different for the different freqs, that is probably
caused by your competitors having different freqs near the different
customers.

As a quick test you could just plug them into a cmm.

mc

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
wrote:
 But why wouldn't more than 2 clients associate to the AP? And it's always
 the same 2 depending on the frequency.

 For example on 2415 I have two clients one at a -57 signal if I change
 frequency this -57 client will not associate and I never see more then 2.
My
 understanding with GPS sync is it's all the same just provide the beat to
 the canopy and it will then do it's transmissions based on distance,
control
 slot and %.

 But even if it was sync issue where I'm not in sync with other canopies
 around me WHY would ALL clients associate to the AP when I use Generate
Sync
 on the AP?? That is what I don't get. I would think that if it was a
 different phasing the clients would associate but have jitter issues and
 frequent re-reg. But the case is only 2 clients associate to the AP when
 getting sync from timing port and all will associate when the AP itself
 generate sync. If there was problem receiving sync signal from the
SyncPipe
 I would think NO clients would associate and you wouldn't see that status
 info on the GPS status tab?

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marco Coelho
 Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:10 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue

 If you are not using a CMM, the sync source you are using may be
 providing sync at a different phase (timing) than the standard cmm.

 Marco

 On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
wrote:
 As some of you know we replaced a Canopy AP. The old one was GPS synced
by
 a
 CMM but what I didn't know when we replaced the CMM sync port was gone
(we
 share tower with another Canopy operator that gave us sync since we only
 had
 one unit up there and he didn't need the port).



 So instead of getting with the other WISP to find out how and when we
 could
 get sync again we installed a syncpipe parasitic (we didn't have any at
 the
 point ourselves when the other WISP told we could plug in to his CMM).



 Canopy unit gets GPS sync nicely and we see 10 out of 12 sats,
coordinates
 looks right etc.



 But when we turn on the AP to use gps sync from timing port only 2 subs
 associate. If we change frequency a different 2 subs associate. If we
 change
 to another frequency yet another different set of 2 subs associate. Plus
 they take a good 20-30 before they associate.

 But no matter what I do only 2 will associate as long gps sync from
timing
 port is set. If we set it to generate sync plop all subs come back almost
 immediately once the AP rebooted.



 We are running v9.4, on this 2.4Ghz non-advantage (all subs are also 9.4)
 AP
 (wish Moto would hurry up get us our upgrade).



 We are running same distance, control slots and % as the other 2 canopy
 operators in the area. .



 Any ideas to find

Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue

2009-09-25 Thread Eje Gustafsson
But why wouldn't more than 2 clients associate to the AP? And it's always
the same 2 depending on the frequency. 

For example on 2415 I have two clients one at a -57 signal if I change
frequency this -57 client will not associate and I never see more then 2. My
understanding with GPS sync is it's all the same just provide the beat to
the canopy and it will then do it's transmissions based on distance, control
slot and %. 

But even if it was sync issue where I'm not in sync with other canopies
around me WHY would ALL clients associate to the AP when I use Generate Sync
on the AP?? That is what I don't get. I would think that if it was a
different phasing the clients would associate but have jitter issues and
frequent re-reg. But the case is only 2 clients associate to the AP when
getting sync from timing port and all will associate when the AP itself
generate sync. If there was problem receiving sync signal from the SyncPipe
I would think NO clients would associate and you wouldn't see that status
info on the GPS status tab?

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:10 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue

If you are not using a CMM, the sync source you are using may be
providing sync at a different phase (timing) than the standard cmm.

Marco

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 As some of you know we replaced a Canopy AP. The old one was GPS synced by
a
 CMM but what I didn't know when we replaced the CMM sync port was gone (we
 share tower with another Canopy operator that gave us sync since we only
had
 one unit up there and he didn't need the port).



 So instead of getting with the other WISP to find out how and when we
could
 get sync again we installed a syncpipe parasitic (we didn't have any at
the
 point ourselves when the other WISP told we could plug in to his CMM).



 Canopy unit gets GPS sync nicely and we see 10 out of 12 sats, coordinates
 looks right etc.



 But when we turn on the AP to use gps sync from timing port only 2 subs
 associate. If we change frequency a different 2 subs associate. If we
change
 to another frequency yet another different set of 2 subs associate. Plus
 they take a good 20-30 before they associate.

 But no matter what I do only 2 will associate as long gps sync from timing
 port is set. If we set it to generate sync plop all subs come back almost
 immediately once the AP rebooted.



 We are running v9.4, on this 2.4Ghz non-advantage (all subs are also 9.4)
AP
 (wish Moto would hurry up get us our upgrade).



 We are running same distance, control slots and % as the other 2 canopy
 operators in the area. .



 Any ideas to find a solution that means I do not have to climb 180ft a
third
 day in a row appreciated..  And no do not have a second sync pipe on hand
it
 was our spare unit we installed. The other unit we got at the same time
 works very nicely on a 900Mhz AP on a different tower.



 / Eje






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[WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue

2009-09-24 Thread Eje Gustafsson
As some of you know we replaced a Canopy AP. The old one was GPS synced by a
CMM but what I didn't know when we replaced the CMM sync port was gone (we
share tower with another Canopy operator that gave us sync since we only had
one unit up there and he didn't need the port). 

 

So instead of getting with the other WISP to find out how and when we could
get sync again we installed a syncpipe parasitic (we didn't have any at the
point ourselves when the other WISP told we could plug in to his CMM). 

 

Canopy unit gets GPS sync nicely and we see 10 out of 12 sats, coordinates
looks right etc. 

 

But when we turn on the AP to use gps sync from timing port only 2 subs
associate. If we change frequency a different 2 subs associate. If we change
to another frequency yet another different set of 2 subs associate. Plus
they take a good 20-30 before they associate.

But no matter what I do only 2 will associate as long gps sync from timing
port is set. If we set it to generate sync plop all subs come back almost
immediately once the AP rebooted. 

 

We are running v9.4, on this 2.4Ghz non-advantage (all subs are also 9.4) AP
(wish Moto would hurry up get us our upgrade).  

 

We are running same distance, control slots and % as the other 2 canopy
operators in the area. . 

 

Any ideas to find a solution that means I do not have to climb 180ft a third
day in a row appreciated..  And no do not have a second sync pipe on hand it
was our spare unit we installed. The other unit we got at the same time
works very nicely on a 900Mhz AP on a different tower. 

 

/ Eje




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Re: [WISPA] Organite defense

2009-09-23 Thread Eje Gustafsson
My wife says Yes with that sound and look a woman only can do when you ask
a stupid question. 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense

 

If a man says something in the woods and no woman is there to hear him, is
he still wrong?  :-)



Thank You,
Brian Webster





Robert West wrote: 

Josh, you are wise beyond your years.
 
Me, I'm just a masochist.  I can't go a day without being slapped down.  
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
 
If I were married I'm pretty sure I wouldn't make it to 30 before a series
of heart attacks, strokes, aneurysms and many other serious internal health
problems.
 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
 
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Robert West
 mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
  

Being married is all politics.
 
It's not cheating. Yes, I paid them 10 bucks.  I just don't say how many
times I pay the 10 bucks.
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
 
If you don't cheat you can't get caught...
 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
 
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Robert West
 mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 


I totally thought about doing just that!  Pay them 50 bucks and tell the
wife I paid them 10.  That's the only way, my man.
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
 
Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50.
 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
 
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert West
 mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
  

You got it!  I'll be taking a few anyhow.
 
It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah..
 
She has a death wish on me, is all.
 
I can take one down with one other person.  Totally doable.  But the
requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller


than


5'
2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back


hurts


6
  

days out of 7.
 
Dead?  Yep.  I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on


purpose.
  

As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you..


 It's


having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower.
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


On


Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
 
I'd like to see a picture.
 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
 
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West
 mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 


I hear ya, brother.  I have one to take all the way down weekend
  

after


next,
35 years old though.
 
The wife wants to help me.
 
Do I need illustrate my pain any further?
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  

On
  

Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
 
Shh!  Don't say that!  I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in
  

a
  

couple
days.  Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top
  

section.
  

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West
 mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
  

Then they need to pony up some more cash.  Those NSA SOB's are


tighter
  

than
  

a 

[WISPA] Firmware needed...

2009-09-22 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Could someone please send me Motorola Canopy v7.3.6 DES firmware? 

I got a site down only thing I got around is a older P9 non-advantage AP but
it is running 7.2.9 so can not set in the web interface to hardware
scheduling so I can upgrade to v8-  since it requires 7.3.6. 

 

/ Eje




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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
The new RB411R do have a onboard wireless interface. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI.  A crossroads 
does, however.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

 Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the
 wireless card.
 It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just 
 like
 your PC.

 So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the
 things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for 
 the
 user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified.  If
 some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had 
 these
 computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc 
 builders
 were showing their wares.  A popular PC case was a convenient flip top
 affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws.
 The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the
 builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did
 not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are 
 doing
 with the Mikrotik stuff.

 As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC
 Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval.
 They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board
 wireless.

 I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your
 routerboards are required to be certified.
 If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices
 certified.

 ===
 Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a 
 computing
 device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and
 uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles)
 per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment
 that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and 
 uses
 radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing
 functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations,
 recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio
 frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement 
 in
 any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of
 this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards 
 for
 digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable
 operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not
 control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and
 peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital
 devices.


 Class A digital device: A Class A digital device is a digital device 
 that
 is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment.

 Class B digital device: A Class B digital device is a digital device 
 that
 is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices
 include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and
 similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general 
 public.
 Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the
 likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits
 than the Class A devices.
 ===








 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

 The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and
 radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type
 of antenna.  You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the
 outside that MT offers to only its distributors.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

 That's been the ongoing argument.

 I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC
 certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

 Excuse my 

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
The Routerboards without built in radio cards are Part B certified devices
(which is a self certification process with no filing with the FCC
required). The manufacturer just need to have the documentation to provide
in case of a FCC inquiry. If memory serves me right MikroTik used to have
their test reports on their routerboard.com website before they changed the
design a while back. A part B device that passes the line out mission
testing is allowed to bear the FCC symbol on them. But that does not
necessary mean that a part B device that does not bear the symbol does not
pass but of course could mean that it has not been tested at all. A device
that do have the symbol on it and has not been tested or does not pass is in
violation and fines can be issued (additional fines that is for using the
symbol on a non passing device, a device sold that does not pass means
violation and fines as well). 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify?  (see 
http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf)

Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B 
certified?

Randy

Mike Hammett wrote:
 An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI.  A crossroads

 does, however.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

   
 Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the
 wireless card.
 It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just 
 like
 your PC.

 So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of
the
 things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for 
 the
 user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified.  If
 some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had 
 these
 computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc 
 builders
 were showing their wares.  A popular PC case was a convenient flip top
 affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws.
 The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the
 builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they
did
 not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are 
 doing
 with the Mikrotik stuff.

 As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC
 Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval.
 They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on
board
 wireless.

 I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your
 routerboards are required to be certified.
 If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices
 certified.

 ===
 Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a 
 computing
 device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and
 uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses
(cycles)
 per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment
 that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and 
 uses
 radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing
 functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations,
 recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio
 frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement

 in
 any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C
of
 this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards 
 for
 digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable
 operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not
 control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals
and
 peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital
 devices.


 Class A digital device: A Class A digital device is a digital device 
 that
 is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment.

 Class B digital device: A Class B digital device is a digital device 
 that
 is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such
devices
 include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and
 similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general 
 public.
 Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where
the
 likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits
 than the Class A devices.
 ===








 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
And the part 15 type B certification is a self certification process with no
filing needed with the FCC and there for no FCC id number provided. Majority
of the testing is line noise testing ie what possible signals the device
might be outputting into the electrical grid. That is where the most
stringent requirements are on a type B device. 

Your mixing up the type class B certification with full Part 15
certification testing. Yes the crossroads and the rb411r have full
certification because they have transceivers that needs certified built on
to the unit. 
But a regular class B device does not. Just take a look at any regular
computer part with exception of a radio card or modem. You will find NO FCC
id's on any of those devices but more than likely you will find a FCC logo
on them to indicate that the testing been done and that the device passes
and the manufacturer have the testing documentation in their own company
files. 

Class A restrictions are lower than Class B restrictions because they are
expected to be used/installed by professionals while a Class B device is
installed by the less technical knowledged. Take a regular computer for
example the parts and pieces are Class B certified yet you can use a
computer in a business/commercial environment because a Class B device
exceeds the Class A requirements. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the
wireless card.
It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just like
your PC.

So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the
things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for the
user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified.  If
some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had these
computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc builders
were showing their wares.  A popular PC case was a convenient flip top
affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws.
The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the
builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did
not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are doing
with the Mikrotik stuff.

As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC
Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval.
They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board
wireless.

I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your
routerboards are required to be certified.
If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices
certified.

===
Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a computing
device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and
uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles)
per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment
that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and uses
radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing
functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations,
recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio
frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement in
any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of
this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards for
digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable
operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not
control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and
peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital
devices. 


Class A digital device: A Class A digital device is a digital device that
is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. 

Class B digital device: A Class B digital device is a digital device that
is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices
include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and
similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general public.
Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the
likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits
than the Class A devices. 
===








-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and
radio matters, as its 

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
You found the RB411R unit which do have a onboard radio. The regular RB411
does not have a built on radio. The RB411R needs to be certified under part
15 as a transceiver and has been certified. The normal RB411 does not have a
transceiver on them and been self tested as a Class B device and there for
does not show up in the FCC id database because no filing of application is
needed for a Class A or Class B device. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Are you sure?
When I looked at the internal photos of what they had tested, on the FCC
site, it looked like there was a pigtail from an N connector plugged onto
the mother board.
I saw a mini-pci connector too, but it appeared to be empty.
I will look again- maybe my old eyes are playing tricks.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI.  A crossroads 
does, however.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

 Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the
 wireless card.
 It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just 
 like
 your PC.

 So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the
 things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for 
 the
 user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified.  If
 some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had 
 these
 computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc 
 builders
 were showing their wares.  A popular PC case was a convenient flip top
 affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws.
 The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the
 builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did
 not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are 
 doing
 with the Mikrotik stuff.

 As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC
 Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval.
 They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board
 wireless.

 I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your
 routerboards are required to be certified.
 If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices
 certified.

 ===
 Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a 
 computing
 device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and
 uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles)
 per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment
 that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and 
 uses
 radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing
 functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations,
 recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio
 frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement 
 in
 any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of
 this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards 
 for
 digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable
 operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not
 control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and
 peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital
 devices.


 Class A digital device: A Class A digital device is a digital device 
 that
 is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment.

 Class B digital device: A Class B digital device is a digital device 
 that
 is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices
 include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and
 similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general 
 public.
 Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the
 likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits
 than the Class A devices.
 ===








 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

 The way I understand it, the 

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Time to stop this thread since your just spreading FUD.. Read my other
posts. 

All MikroTik products do have the appropriate FCC certification and/or
testing done on them. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to.
I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of
pre-cased RBs
There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any FCC
numbers at all.
There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either.  I did
not remove the board and look underneath.

As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all
the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about the
certification.
You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas of
the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval.

The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. 
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82
9435native_or_pdf=pdf

The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including all
the warnings on page 11
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82
9433native_or_pdf=pdf



Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for the
same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different
configurations.
There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these:

R5H (a radio card only)  photos show it in a routerboard being used as a
test fixture but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be
placed on the outside of the final enclosure.  Actually the same as
WLM54AGP23  but FCC shown so record of this device.

R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is
still responsible
for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates this
module.


So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* responsibility to
the FCC to maintain compliance.  MT appears to be pretty much immune to
citations on this issue.   One could conclude that someone like Dennis
probably operates this way.

It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or
Ligowave) becomes certified too.

I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it yourself
instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just like the
one they had certified, right down to the internal pigtail.

I can't locate my StarOS equipment to see what they did, but something is
telling me that they have the proper stickers too.  I'd have to check, or
maybe Lonnie can address the issue.

It would really be nice to draw together a list of just which equipment was
and was not.  Some folks would care I think. 
Of course from what I have read and seen over the years, many of you do not
care whether or not you are operating legally.

I'm not trying to start anything- just stating the facts as I see 'em.

Ralph



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify?  (see 
http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf)

Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B 
certified?

Randy

Mike Hammett wrote:
 An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI.  A crossroads

 does, however.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

   
 Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the
 wireless card.
 It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just 
 like
 your PC.

 So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of
the
 things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for 
 the
 user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified.  If
 some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had 
 these
 computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc 
 builders
 were showing their wares.  A popular PC case was a convenient flip top
 affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws.
 The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the
 builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they
did
 not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are 
 doing
 with the Mikrotik stuff.

 As far 

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

2009-09-11 Thread Eje Gustafsson
We are a distributor/reseller we started out as a ISP turned WISP and still
run our networks. We deploy what we sell and our techs have firsthand
knowledge with the equipment and work closely with the manufacturers we
represent to improve the products to work the best way. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Valenti
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also  
run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I  
think)
Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I  
could trust them.

Are there other wireless companies that do this?


On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote:

 Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely  
 create
 a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just  
 big
 enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing  
 photos
 of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor
 unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc...





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[WISPA] MUM passes

2009-09-01 Thread Eje Gustafsson
My apologies for this e-mail which might seem like a somewhat advertisement
but I would hope it is more taken as a service offering.

 

If your planning on attending MUM and have not yet registered I do have some
free passes for MUM left over. So if you could use a pass get with me or
call us and ask for a pass (877-947-7787). If you already registered then
sorry you cannot drop your registration and use a free pass to reregister. 

 

 / Eje Gustafsson

CTO

WISP-Router, Inc.




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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Careful with those. You tighten up to hard or you attach to an old chimney
and you might find yourself with a big mason bill and maybe even a carpenter
bill as well. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps.
http://www.ronard.com/4424.html


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

http://www.ronard.com/730731.html

A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...

Probably overkill.

Ronard makes really good stuff.


Robert West wrote:
 [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]

 Another crude rendering.

 The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then it
 goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
back
 into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly
in
 towards the eave and mount to that as well.  

 He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe,
the
 alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a 90
 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple
and
 he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
 but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
 shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

   
 No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
 He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Robert,

 Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

 http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

 Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 
 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for
   
 a
   
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
   
 size
 
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,
   
 EMT
   
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
 Michael Baird




   
 


   
 
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Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First

2009-08-25 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Never climb alone. Even if you do 100% tie off. A slip and fall and you
could hit your head and be hanging upside down. If you use right equipment
you are not going to slip out of your harness BUT Hanging upside down
for any longer period of time is fatal. Always have someone on the ground
even if they cannot climb but at least if something happens they can call
emergency responds services. Also you MIGHT want to check with local
services to see IF they have people trained on altitude/tower rescue and if
they do not push them to get a couple of guys trained there or make sure
when you climb that your ground partner has climbing equipment and
appropriate rescue training (Comtrain comes to mind) to get you level at the
very least. 

As you say this job is not worth your life. Climb safe. Use good safety
equipment and always be 100% tied off...

/ Eje

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First

I have to agree here, I've done more tower climbs alone than I should.
Every time I do I'm filled with the feeling that if I fall no one will
know until someone comes looking at my remote tower site the next day or
so.

We all look at OSHA sometimes and think of them as more revenue officers
than safety officers.  Coming from the Fire Service I think of the
countless lives of Firefighters that were saved once OSHA found us.
Sure they seem overly picky and arbitrary but when I hang from my bucket
truck without a harness or climb a tower alone I can't help but think
they were written after so many people lost their lives.  This job isn't
worth my life.

Forbes

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik

You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. 

Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still 
a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely 
could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety 
guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate 
insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of

our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively.

That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the
configuring/testing.
They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from 
falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your 
phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want

to do.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote:
 Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but,
 I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower,
by 
 the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the 
 adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake.  And after a 
 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something
that 
 you would normally catch in an instance.
 
 I guess there are pros and cons to both ways.
 
 LaRoy
 
 
 Scott Carullo wrote:
  It takes less than one minute to configure an interface?
 
  Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should
assume 
  its the same freq, same power output etc.  I think its actually
better it 
  lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement.  My 2
cents
 
  Scott Carullo
  Brevard Wireless
  321-205-1100 x102
 
   Original Message 

  From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com
  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
 
  As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to
reconfigure 
  
 

  when you change out a card.
  I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS.
 
  I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that
went 
  
 

  out.
  This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years.
  I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were

  passing traffic before I could close the lid.
  This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS.
 
  Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then.
 
  LaRoy McCann
  Data Technology
  www.dtisp.com
 
 
 
  
 


  

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Re: [WISPA] Engenius EAP-3660

2009-08-25 Thread Eje Gustafsson
The EAP-3660 is not EOL'd at least they have not let us know and we
generally are the first one to know as soon as they make their decision. 

I played and used the EAP-3660 and it's a pretty nifty cool product. Only
run it for a few months so far so good no issues what so ever. The firmware
can be reflashed with open-wrt. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Engenius EAP-3660

If you aren't using them already I can only suggest one thing.

Ruuun!

My experience hasn't been very good (though I will admit not horrible) with
the Engenius data products.  They do not last long at all (weeks/months -
really lucky to get years) outdoors and the indoors do not seem to be
comparable in lifetime to a WAP11.

Pretty good on coverage, but I wouldn't say anything much better/worse then
MT or WAP11.

The thing that really broke the camel's back was the incompatibility between
the Intel 3945 and new one (that does N, 3946 maybe?) and the indoor ones.
The firmware fixed it, however, said firmware was not available then nor was
it the last I checked.  In fact I believe the product is EOL.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote:

 Has anyone used the Engenius EAP-3660 (600mW / 4dbi Smoke Detector style
 AP) in a hotel/motel environment?  Any word on coverage, etc?  Will they
run
 open-mesh?

 Thanks






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Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik

2009-08-24 Thread Eje Gustafsson
This is true with a lot of the RouterBoards that you do not have enough
onboard power source capability to run generally more than two high powered
cards. For example the 400's can only handle about 10watt of external cards
that means the third XR card will kill the system. One thing to keep in mind
that the none AH boards in the 400 series is not ideal for heavy AP usage.
They are more of a CPE board or light duty AP. 
You want heavy duty AP then need to look at AH boards only or the RB600 or
RB333. 

In either way also keep in mind that using ANY high powered card might not
only overload the onboard power system of the RouterBoard but since the card
are so close by and inside the same case you will more than likely run into
self interference issues from the radio chain inside the card even when the
cards are not set to transmit on the same frequency. In our experience using
low powered cards in the same unit generally is not a issue and works fine
but once you try to put more than 2 high powered card on the same board
(even the RB600) self interference quickly becomes an issue. 

Separate the radio cards out between different units. Just because you can
run multiple radios in the same unit doesn't mean that is always a good
idea. 
In some cases we have managed to get self interfering system work fine by
using a alu foil shield between the radios (regular household alu foil put
inside a sheet protector slid in between the cards to create compartments
inside the case have been able to stabilize the system to a point of good
operation. Most of the case of course after this been done it was decided to
separate the cards out to separate units to optimize and not have to worry
about any future service issues. 

So to sum things up. Don't run more than 2 high powered card on the same
board. Use maximum separation between the cards if you decide to use 2 high
powered cards. Avoid using 2 high powered cards in the same frequency band
on the same board. 

It's GOOD in my opinion that you cannot fit more than 2 high powered cards
(at least of most models) in the 433/333 boards because else more people
would do this with BAD results. 

Just because your trailer got a tow hook don't mean your truck is powerful
enough to pull two fully loaded trailer... 

BTW guys. MikroTik is spelled with 2 K's.. No C in there... On the same coin
Ubiquiti is spelled with 3 I's an NO Y. When you use the products you would
think you learned how to spell their names ;) 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:17 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik

This is reality with the XR's.  When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard
for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik
and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if
they were populated with XR cards.  They draw too much power.  I'm using a
48v on that one with 6 cards and I would guess the same type of issue would
be with the 433AH and 411a.  We use 19v on our 411s.  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik

Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a.  I was running 3- 411a boards with
12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients
started all dropping off and back on.  Then it started locking up ever night
I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive
the 15 miles and reboot every day.  After 2 weeks of messing we realized
that the units were struggling for power.  We went to a 24V POE and that
same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days.  The XR series
really tasks the boards.  That is what fixed it for me.  I think those XR
boards really eat the power.

Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik

I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it
working on an AP that won't behave.  It's the third long fix period I've had
to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under
that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful.

SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c.
We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after
disable/enable would come back up.  As 

Re: [WISPA] FCC Launches Formal Probe of Wireless Industry

2009-08-21 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Ran across this article.. Thought it was a bit humorous.. 

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Government-IT/What-Is-Broadband-FCC-Doesnt-Know-241
331/

This should be something where I think WISPA should try to influence and
educate about fixed wireless. 

/ Eje

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:39 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List; WISPA's FCC Committee
Subject: [WISPA] FCC Launches Formal Probe of Wireless Industry

Interesting article.

http://www.wirelessweek.com/article.aspx?id=171860

Perhaps we can use this opportunity to help the FCC and the public 
understand that:

1. Fixed wireless serves a different market than mobile (cellular) wireless.

2. Fixed wireless needs more spectrum (including TV White Space) and 
practical regulations to allow WISPs to provide broadband FIXED wireless 
Internet access effectively and profitably.

jack



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Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?

2009-08-21 Thread Eje Gustafsson
The initial requestor wouldn't be able to use a data logger. He needed to
know the coordinates now but all he needed really to know is coordinates and
height so a simple GPS that display just that would suffice. 

My suggestion would be the Beacon GPS Tracking unit as an example that can
be had for about $85 at SAMs club. 
http://winplususa.com/beacon-gps.html

Or can of course be ordered online from numerous sources. Cheapest brand new
unit seems to be from Y2incusa ($64.99)
http://www.y2incusa.com/beacongpstrackingsystem.aspx
Shipping seems reasonable from them as well (not great, but not gauging you
to death either). 

/ Eje

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?

I love my Garmin Vista HCx. If all you want is data logging, there's  
some very tough and inexpensive data loggers out there which are very  
durable because they're much simpler, no LCD display and few buttons.

Greg

On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Robert West wrote:

 I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit.  It has  
 served me
 well these past 10 years.  I will certainly miss  
 having to
 boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD  
 laptop
 because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that  
 USB to
 serial adapter is more fun that I could handle  Then hope and  
 pray that
 the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to  
 check
 before I go out  But with that said, I need a replacement.

 I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they  
 seem to
 stress geo-caching and hiking.  If I had time for that, it may get my
 attention, but I own a small business that I started because I  
 needed to be
 more flexible with my time.  Working 80 hours+ a week is about as  
 flexible
 as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on  
 life
 sort of living.

 I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged)  
 when I drop
 it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be  
 ruined when
 I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just  
 happens to
 rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two  
 pieces
 of information I really desire.  My location coordinates and  
 how
 high I am.  Someone else can mess with all those other functions,  
 I'd have
 to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just  
 need to
 know where and how high.

 Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit?  (I guess  
 I could
 have just said one line but it's not as fun)

 Thanks in advance.

 Robert West
 Just Micro Digital Services Inc.










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Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings

2009-08-21 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of
NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time when I'm
staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices access
and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the hotel
that charges for internet. 

Only way to fight it in a MTU type environment or even with residential is
educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run open APs
they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does illegal
things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are virus
infected and they this way risk getting infected and have their own
computers compromised and become BOT slaves. 

Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service speeds and
if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no longer have the
speed for themselves and also possible point to the bit cap portion of the
user agreement letting them know that their account could possibly be shut
down prematurely because someone else is using up all their allow bit count.


Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that even share
the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides maybe
limit per connections etc to choke them out. 

What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the landlord is
paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to the
tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web browsing
but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The people that
pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;) 

/Eje

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings

Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT.

Example:

Joe buys a WRT54g.  WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network.  Joe buys
and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g.  Joe plus in an AP behind the
router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet.  People mooch.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo
sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:

 Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
  From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com
  Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
 
  I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched
 on a
  goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants
 started
  firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel
 service.
  How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura
 
 
 
 



 
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Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings

2009-08-21 Thread Eje Gustafsson
No not really because the broadband router they would use only need 1 IP
then it runs dhcp server on the inside and your AP/hotspot controller cannot
see what is on the inside of the customers network you only see the on IP
and it's single MAC address. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of richard sterne
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings

Could you not set the CPE to DHCP and the IP pool to allow only 1 IP
address?

Richard

2009/8/21 Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com

 Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of
 NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time when
I'm
 staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices
access
 and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the hotel
 that charges for internet.

 Only way to fight it in a MTU type environment or even with residential
 is
 educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run open APs
 they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does illegal
 things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are virus
 infected and they this way risk getting infected and have their own
 computers compromised and become BOT slaves.

 Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service speeds
 and
 if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no longer have
the
 speed for themselves and also possible point to the bit cap portion of the
 user agreement letting them know that their account could possibly be shut
 down prematurely because someone else is using up all their allow bit
 count.


 Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that even
 share
 the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides maybe
 limit per connections etc to choke them out.

 What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the landlord is
 paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to the
 tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web
browsing
 but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The people
 that
 pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;)

 /Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM
 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings

 Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind
 NAT.

 Example:

 Joe buys a WRT54g.  WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network.  Joe buys
 and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g.  Joe plus in an AP behind the
 router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet.  People mooch.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo
 sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:

  Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet
 
  Scott Carullo
  Brevard Wireless
  321-205-1100 x102
 
   Original Message 
   From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com
   Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM
   To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
  
   I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I
touched
  on a
   goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants
  started
   firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel
  service.
   How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura
  
  
  
  
 
 



  
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Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School

2009-08-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
I would think OpenDNS could serve different info based on source address. I
never used OpenDNS but understand it's pretty powerful and flexible. With
BIND which I used for many many years you can setup different service rules
based on source address. This way you can for example prevent pollution of
your domain in public with private ip addresses or even allow a private
address to be returned to your internal network and provide a public ip to
the rest of the internet. There is no limit as far as I know to setup other
zones. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter
Suggestion for School

I haven't used untangle.
I think one way to do this is to redirect to the proper server based on 
customer IP, etc.
Thinking Mikrotik, because that is what I use, redirecting all of a 
customer's DNS request to the proper internal server would be an easy 
firewall rule.  The internal server, which could be a really small box 
doing DNS caching only, would have an address that OpenDNS knows and 
therefore OpenDNS would return the proper thing for that customer.
Only problem I see with this right now is the need for one server per 
filtering setup.
It does eliminate the need for all customers to have public addresses.  
Only the internal servers need that.  Makes changing a customers rule 
set as easy as changing the redirect.

Jason Hensley wrote:
 Kinda what I was thinking was that if they wanted to utilize the filtering
 then we would assign them DNS servers specific for OpenDNS, otherwise,
they
 would get normal service.  

 This could easily be done at the CPE / Authentication level with PPPoE.
 Now, the issue would be like Josh mentioned, if they had manual DNS
servers
 configured in their computer.  We would definitely have to intercept that
 traffic and redirect all DNS queries to the OpenDNS servers. 

 Just a thought.  I have, in the past, had clients request this service.
 Been awhile but thought that could be one more value-add that we could
have
 in the box to help bring a little more revenue in. 

 Anyone used Untangle in an app like this?



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:41 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content
Filter
 Suggestion for School

 FYI.. Not every site will want to have the same filter settings.  Since 
 you can define multiple networks in OpenDNS, the IP will have to 
 originate from that network to get a specific set of content-filtering. 
 If the request originates from the local DNS server, then you've just 
 inadvertently applied those settings to everyone who might query that 
 DNS server.

 So you would have to force these 'filtered' networks to only request DNS 
 from OpenDNS servers, and make sure each client has a public IP.

 -IL

 Josh Luthman wrote:
   
 I just thought about how to get around this and I wanted to share my
 thoughts.  If a location needs this filtering and you use opendns you'll
 want to drop all forwarded DNS traffic.  Force everyone to use an
internal
 DNS server which in turn looks up via OpenDNS.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com
 
 wrote:
   
   
 
 On this same subject, anyone offering upgrades for filtered Internet
 service to their clients?  Anyone using OpenDNS to do this?



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of ccrum
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:29 PM
 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School

 OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free.

 Cameron

 Scott Carullo wrote:
 
   
 I need a web content filter for K-12 school.  Paid Subscription ok.

 Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement.
   
 
 Need
 
   
 asap.  Thanks...

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102




   
 


   
 
 
   
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Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School

2009-08-13 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Got to love it another product with no price on the website.. Looks cool
though but I hate having to deal with push sales people just to find a price
and then have them call and spam me day in and day out for years to come. 

So do you know what the product costs? 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:10 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School

I can recommend the 8e6 devices (http://www.marshal8e6.com).   The thing 
I really like about it is the way you can put it in listen mode 
instead of inline and still get great security.  It watches on a 
mirrored port, and will intercept bad requests and hijack the reply 
with a block page redirect.  We've used their solutions for over 10 
years (since they were called XStop), no complaints at all.

http://www.marshal8e6.com/solutions/web_security/8e6-r3000-internet-filter.a
sp

Goes way beyond web blocking as well.



Jason Hensley wrote:
 Sonicwall has some outstanding products as far as an all-in-one appliance
 for firewall, content filtering, spam, virus, etc etc.  I have one in
place
 for a school and our local library.  Make sure you get one with enough
 horse-power.  A small school may work fine with a TZ-200 or TZ-190, but
you
 get very large, and you will quickly end up needing more than that.  

 Be glad to quote you out one if you needed. 


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Carullo
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:35 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School


 I need a web content filter for K-12 school.  Paid Subscription ok.

 Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement.
Need 
 asap.  Thanks...

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102





 
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Re: [WISPA] Badly need 2 Bullet5M's

2009-08-12 Thread Eje Gustafsson
If you didn't find them and still need they are now in stock. 

/ Eje
WISP-Router, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Badly need 2 Bullet5M's

I would have still badly needed them. : - )

Greg

On Aug 8, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 You badly need two radios that aren't even on the market yet? What
 would you have done 30 days ago?

 Travis
 Microserv

 os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 I badly need two Bullet5M's. If anyone has two to sell or knows who
 has them to ship Monday please hit me off list. Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

2009-08-11 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yepp bit expected. Because a web page consists of multiple images most of
the time and if you use every nth you never know if that rule will then hit
a icon, text page or picture file that is retrieved. 

You could setup something that uses the hotspot service and the
advertisement banners. Or I created a solution with Gatespot that when the
user login to the hotspot will redirect them to a messaging system that will
display any messages to the user if there are any and if there isn't then
the user will get their original requested webpage just like normal.  

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

What I am attempting to do is setup a script to put on the client
routerboard when there account becomes 30+ days behind. This script will
occasionally redirect the clients web browser to a notice page that lets
them know there account is past due and offer a payment page. If they
refresh they should be able to continue browsing. This is intended to be
multipurpose, informative to the user in case they forgot to pay, offer a
quick way to get caught up and be a tad annoying until paid.

I tried this experiment on my home connection:

0 X chain=dstnat action=dst-nat to-addresses=1.2.3.4 to-ports=80 
 protocol=tcp src-address=0.0.0.0/0 dst-address=!1.2.3.4 dst-port=80 
 nth=5,1

Really did not work as planned. Occasionally I would get the page at the
1.2.3.4 server but most of the time I would get broken links and partially
displayed pages?

John Buwa
Michiana Wireless




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Re: [WISPA] Badly need 2 Bullet5M's

2009-08-08 Thread Eje Gustafsson
We have 200 each on the way to us. Was supposed to been picked up by our
freight forwarder in Taiwan this week so hopefully we should have them early
next week. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Badly need 2 Bullet5M's

I wanted two of these as well a couple of weeks ago until I found I  
can do the same with mikrotik hardware just released (speed wise)

You could pick that up on Monday.  What is it you are looking for in  
particular?

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102

On Aug 8, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com  
wrote:

 Hey, I just saw that Streakwave announced that they had a Limited  
 Quantity
 of the 2M HP and 5M HPs on August 3rd.  You can bet they are all  
 OUTTA HERE!


 Well, they're out there, look for them on Ebay soon with a really  
 jacked up
 price.

 Wasn't there supposed to be some Ubiquiti announcement this weekend
 concerning the new Bullets?  I was looking on their site, no mention  
 except
 that the AirOS 3.4 SKD for the bullet was released yesterday.   
 Dunno.  But I
 guess I'll be a'waitn' for one for quite a spell, as granddad would  
 say.


 Robert West
 Just Micro Digital Services Inc.



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 On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Badly need 2 Bullet5M's

 You badly need two radios that aren't even on the market yet? What
 would you have done 30 days ago?

 Travis
 Microserv

 os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 I badly need two Bullet5M's. If anyone has two to sell or knows who
 has them to ship Monday please hit me off list. Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

2009-08-06 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Sounds like your ground potential between tower ground and electrical ground
might is not optimal. 
Make sure that the tower ground is also correctly and properly grounded to
the electrical ground. 
Seems your electronic might be shunt between the two grounds so each time
tower get a hit your equipment gets fried. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes

Whats the majority think the equipment damage from lightning comes
from...electric surge or coupling on the Ethernet? Will running on battery
or solar lessen your chances of equipment damage that much more that it is
worth the cost? I am in the same boat as these guys and have one location
hit 5 times in the last two years that caused major damage(talking SMOKED
AP's), more than that if you just include power supplies and switches.

I was thinking of grounding the crap out of this location, but it looks like
David did that and it did not help much.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:09:58 -0400

I looked at a Transtector unit a few weeks ago. It's an isolation 
transformer that sits outdoors between the entrance panel and our 
internal electrical system. It was roughly $1K for the unit. Kind of 
wish I would have bought it now. We are the end of the line on the power 
grid and have 1-3 days of outages multiple times a year, that's the real 
reason for the battery solution; that and we are tired of generators.

Your right though. Most cell and radio towers I visit have just that, an 
isolation transformer at the entrance panel.

Thanks, Dave

cc...@dot11net.com wrote:
 Since it sounds like this came in on the AC, how about a surge protector
 on incoming AC line? We've had sites where the power company's grounding
 is so bad we've lost power supply surge protectors in just about every
 storm that comes through the area...until we put surge protection at the
 breaker box. Now all is good.

 Cameron

   
 Don't feel too left Chuck out we lost a tower site in the same storm.
 Second time in seven years a total loss. Both times we've lost our gear
 it has come via the electrical side. Our tower gets hit by a strike or
 two almost every storm and we never have issues. This time it literaly
 blew the entrance panel off the side of the building and outlets off the
 walls of the building. Cracked one of the APC batterty units, every
 ethernet surge suppressor and every grounded POE injectors were blown
 apart. Interesting that our four coax arrestors were okay, but the gear
 was cooked.  Most of the cat5 ends included.  Had spare gear on the
 tower plugged in at the radios but dangling in the building, we fired it
 up and were in operation within a few minutes.  Took another 16 hours to
 get all of the damage cleaned up.

 We have on that site forty-five 3/4 ground rods in two concentric
 circles around the tower and building none more than eight feet apart;
 all interconnected with #2 bare stranded wire and cad welded. Inside the
 building - a halo ring and 3 1/2 copper strapping, the list goes on and
 on for what we have done to minimize issues. We spent nearly 5K on
 grounding and still lost it all.

 We are moving to total battery power next week. I am looking for
 something I can use to isolate a smart charger from the power company
 when we see storms in the area, I expect we will have enough battery for
 a minimum 3 days runtime. Some type of relay that we can control
 remotely I would guess.

 If it makes you feel any better Verizon Wireless took total loses on
 four towers between Cincinnati and Louisville Tuesday as well.

 Dave Hulsebus
 Portative Technologies, LLC

 Chuck Hogg wrote:
 
 Has anyone been able to withstand a direct lightning strike? We had a
 tower get hit last night, and some of our equipment lost Ethernet ports
 (RB/433AH), and we lost 3 canopy APs, but that is all (considering what
 is all up there only 2/3rds was blown).  Our Trango AP survived and a
 RB/433AH survived.  Even Nextel had their guys out there, but they just
 had to reset alarms it appears as nothing was fried on their end.  I
 wish I had to just reset alarms.



 So tell me, what do you do ? I'm tired of dumping a few grand during
big
 lightning storms.



 I do the basics, Ethernet surge suppression up top and on the bottom,
 Polyphasers, ground out to the ground bars, ground out the cat5 cable,
 and no omni's.



 Regards,

 Chuck Hogg

 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com

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