Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
 space.
   I hate the idea of handing out NAT'ed IP space though.  Too hard to
 tell who did what.  My opinion is there should be a very hard push to
 IPv6.
 
 Whats bad is 99% percent of consumer wifi routers do not support IPv6.
   That is going to be a HUGE issue.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
yup

It is kinda like this

A storm is coming - and all the quikymarts go to the local Acme, Kroger and 
Walmarts and purchase all the milk and bread. 

Now you have to go to the local quikymart if you want more IP's (well its 
almost that way but not just yet)

 
On Feb 9, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

  when ARIN's Pool is depleted, there will likely be much 
 controversy on whats legal to re-assign IPs. A constant ongoing effort has 
 occured to try to elect members of the board from diverse stakeholders, so 
 ARIN is not only controlled by the Large Carriers owning the largest IP 
 Blocks.  And just like there was a war to own domain names, there will be an 
 attempt to capitalize on IPv4 space in demand. People will exploit the 
 opportunity if they can. The Blackmarket for IP space is a real possibilty. 
 I can see it now BAckroom deals and auctions  to encourage a transfer of 
 IP space from one to the other. UNless ARIN makes rules to prevent it. 
 Whether that is the case may be determined by how quickly ISPs and 
 MAnufacturers fully embrace IPv6. Obviously if no one ends up needing IPv4 
 anymore, than it wont be a problem. We'll see.

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Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for VoIP Termination services.

2011-02-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
Josh - who do you use for your actual phone service? 

On Jan 9, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 We use Intrado for e911
 
 We have an individual account with Gafachi for testing and such.  Pretty 
 slick and great if you're just starting out.  The price is a bit higher so if 
 you're doing heavy volume you'll want to switch.
 
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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 E911 is typically done with the originating provider, but there are other 
 E911 companies.
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 On 1/9/2011 12:20 PM, Christopher Hair wrote:
 Any recommendations for providers that  offer VoIP Termination   E911. 
 Shopping around!
 
  
 Thanks in Advance
 
  
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Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn

2011-02-01 Thread Glenn Kelley
Victoria 

I personally blame Al Gore. 

WHY DID HE NOT INVENT A CHILD PORN TRACKER SYSTEM?  when he invented the 
Internet?

LOL

On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:22 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:

 Same thing here from CNET: 
 http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG
 
 Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years!  All browsing data 
 and email.
 
 Nice if you’re a big ILEC and have endless funds …
 
 The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs 
 will exist in the next few years.
 
 
 
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 www.StLouisBroadband.com
 
 www.FarmingtonForum.com
 
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 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
 Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child 
 porn
 
 Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that
 
 way was designed for tacking IP space to people.
 
 On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
 
  The following information is offered for your personal use only. It 
  contains no
 
  added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any 
  machinery
 
  that also processes eggs or nuts.
 
 
 
  *
 
 
 
  House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would 
  force
 
  companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child
 
  pornography.
 
 
 
  Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be
 
  forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to 
  help
 
  combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill 
  requiring
 
  they do so for two years...
 
 
 
  LINK:
 
  http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies-must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

2011-01-14 Thread Glenn Kelley
I pushed UBNT on this directly - as they have not given a direct date. 
http://ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26668

ARIN had been giving IPV6 out for FREE - so it is not just a dream 
With vendors (like Time Warner) trying to charge $1 per IP (that is where they 
start the negotiating) - that new market will still be an expensive one for 
IPv6 

Yes there is a waste of IPv4 ... but IPv6 is more than a pipe dream... It is a 
reality and one that we need to embrace sooner than later 
HE.Net has an excellent tutorial online - gives you a Free certification (yay - 
something to put on the fridge next to your kids school stuff ) and They 
provide a FREE tunnel for you to push IPV6 to IPV4 traffic - even over BGP

My vote is - we embrace it - as it will only help us. 


On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Have you actually tested that?  I ask because I expect it to work, too, but 
 haven't actually done it myself.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
 Sure Ubnt in bridge mode works fine. We still need native v6 support.
 
 On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Charles N Wyble
 char...@knownelement.com wrote:
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  On 01/13/2011 07:00 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
  I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's, 
  NSLM5's, NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to fair 
  if/when our upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to hear someone 
  else is already doing it.
 
 
  Interesting question. I'm hoping to provide ipv6 on my network very
  soon. Currently only handing out ipv4.
 
  I have my ubnt ns2 working as a hotspot on my roof. It bridges to my
  wired network (cisco l2 switch and pfsense box). On it's own VLAN of
  course.
 
  So do I care about ubnt supporting ipv6? Will it not work in bridge
  mode? I need to turn on v6 on the pfsense side, via an he.net tunnel
  with prefix delegation and find out.
 
  Anyone done this? On whatever l3 termination of choice
  (pfsense/cisco/linux/mikrotik).
 
 
  Our upstream apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South America. I'm 
  not sure if their system/our modem is IPv6 capable/ready. That may keep us 
  on IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6 for some time.
 
  Greg
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] IPv6 Real or Bust?

2011-01-14 Thread Glenn Kelley
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

2011-01-14 Thread Glenn Kelley
Is Bob a member?

I could be wrong - but I thought this was just on the public list ... 

that being said - since Anyone can post - and Anyone can join the public list - 
Perhaps it might be good for WISPA to have a disclaimer @ the Bottom of all 
emails - stating 

This is a public forum provided to the Internet Community at large.   The 
comments and or opinions expressed are not endorsed by WISPA and are the sole 
responsibility of the person making the posting.

:-)


Just my 2 cents. 



On Jan 15, 2011, at 12:43 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 WISPA is represented by its members.
 
 Would you appreciate your installer doing such acts against a competitor?
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:40 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ya know, I've never met Bob but everyone on this list knows that he is a 
 comedian at heart and and his post was done in satire. It's too bad people 
 cant lighten up and enjoy life without taking offense to such things. Or was 
 it that his post so close to the truth it hurt? Why do we eat our own on 
 behalf of the enemy?
 As far as making WISPA look bad, are we really judged by the actions of one 
 person? If so, WISPA needs to review the membership list and do a better 
 scrutinizing who is allowed to join.
 Just my .02.
 
 On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
 wrote:
 The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes WISPA look.
 
 We have our opinions.  We are people.  But we, as adults and businesses or 
 representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
 
 On Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ping

2011-01-11 Thread Glenn Kelley
funny - thanks Jack ;-)   
gotta love those late night typo's 

its ok I got my edumakation 

 
On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:36 AM, Jack Unger wrote:

 Yes but it's hard-are than it looks. 
 
 
 On 1/10/2011 9:56 PM, Blair Davis wrote:
 
 Naw... You can fix anything with software...
 
 On 1/10/2011 11:34 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
 
 Bob - I miss your humor being next door :-) 
 
 
 How many programers dose it take to change a light bulb?
 
 None – It’s a hardare problem 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2011, at 10:59 PM, Robert West wrote:
 
 Nope.  Didn’t get it.  Adjust your tri-speck angular SSL packet filter and 
 try it again.
  
  
  
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 Subject: [WISPA] Ping
  
 I'm getting bounces on my posts.  Test.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] IP Space WHOIS Data Update

2011-01-10 Thread Glenn Kelley
Make sure to address this in the notes when you ask for additional IP Space.   
Simply put - let them know that you have requested on (list the dates) for the 
IP Space to be swipped back to the original provider and they have failed to 
complete the task.
Also note that you are worried about this causing issues w/ your new request.   
In short - it always helps to give them a heads up. 

Blessings, 


On Jan 10, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote:

 We had space registered with Qwest for years even though we gave it
 back.  As long as you let ARIN know that the space is in your name but
 that you are not using it, it will be fine.  ARIN is usually pretty good
 to work with.
 
    
 Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
 http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
 
 On 1/10/2011 5:24 PM, Matt wrote:
 We still have IP space in our name that we haven't even had that carrier
 for 5+ years...
 
 Does it affect your ability to get additional space from ARIN?  That's
 my concern.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] he.net

2011-01-03 Thread Glenn Kelley
I have found HE.net to be one of the better organizations out there.
Take a peek @ their peering map -   they also run one of the better IPv6 
tunnels out there. 

Why do you say they have peering issues? 

One of the reasons I like them is because they have an open peering policy:  
http://he.net/peering.html 

to see their network from a slightly different view lets peek here:  
http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=6939peerParticipantsPublics_mOrder=Sorter_local_asnpeerParticipantsPublics_mDir=ASC

According to www.isitup.org - they are online :-) 

They have one of the better looking glasses on the web - so lets use that real 
quick:

Peering View for HE.net http://bgp.he.net/AS6939

Peering View for Cogent http://bgp.he.net/AS174 

Peering view for ATT  http://bgp.he.net/AS7018

There are a number of folks who, at the end of the year, are dropping peering 
relationships that have expired - so it could be simply that your providers' 
providers provider may have had their peering change. 
Not that uncommon. 

You will see a drop on all of them - and then they will build back up. 

A great website however to see what is happening is www.TRACEROUTE.org  - from 
here you can use looking glasses and routers world wide to check the status of 
your network, bgp paths etc... 


Hoping everyone has a great year:

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On Jan 3, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:

He.net routinely has peering issues and other problems.  They are the 
 bargain basement for a reason. You can get Inet for $1-2 a meg pretty easily. 
 I hesitate to compare them to Cogent. Cogent sells dirt cheap bandwidth, but 
 they have the benefit of being a public company.  
 -- 
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 Aol  Yahoo IM: j2sw
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 http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter
 Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Layer 3 routing

2011-01-03 Thread Glenn Kelley
Netgear's layer3 is good but not that good. 
Are you able to throw a router in the mix for them ?
might actually make things easier - 

check out pfsense on an alix board - cost will be under $300 for a simple 
system that you can brand w/ your own logo.
There is also microtik as well 

Personally I have found the layer3 w/ netgear to be okay - but it is not Top 
notch - and to get their help heck it will cost you more than another solution 
for the phone call. 
I can take a peek however if you hit me off list

On Dec 30, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Mark McElvy wrote:

 I have setup a wireless network and setup up on a separate subnet per 
 customer request. The only device the customer had to do routing is a Netgear 
 GSM7324 Layer 3 switch. The routing is working for TCP and UDp packets but 
 one application they use uses Multicasting. The multicast packets are not 
 passing across the Layer 3 switch. Best I can tell I have multicasting setup 
 on the switch but documentation is scarce. Anyone try this before? Good or 
 Bad? 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

2011-01-01 Thread Glenn Kelley
Bottom line in all this is very simple.

When your the first on a grainleg - make a contract that is rock solid.
Get the right of first refusal on any frequency and get it on paper.

While handshakes are nice - paper wins hands down. 


On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Even if they're wrong, you won't win!
 -
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 On 12/31/2010 4:04 PM, Robert West wrote:
 
 Update on the competitor situation.
  
 Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of the 
 grain legs that new boy is on.
  
 Again, old boy is related in a roundabout way to the grain legs owners but 
 they decided not to have him do this project for them. 
  
 Everyone showed up for the meeting but tower owner boys had a surprise 
 visitor with them.  They brought in OLD HAM RADIO GUY!
  
 Old Ham Radio Guy, or just “Ham” was there to be the knowledgeable neutral 
 party. 
  
 Ham looked over the equipment and the network structure, the RF being used 
 and the interference that old boy was claiming.  In the end, Old Ham was 
 impressed with New Boys knowledge, professionalism and quality of equipment. 
  Old boy…..  He wasn’t impressed with his setup of much else and pointed out 
 immediately the inherent weakness in his Omni antennas.   However, Ham wrote 
 up a plan for old boy and new boy to follow and the only real requirement is 
 that old boy replace those Omnis with sectors and to agree on trying to 
 separate their coverage area as best they can.   Word is Old Boy has already 
 obtained a few sectors so we shall see.
  
 Thanks for ideas on both sides of this.  I just have to laugh at Old Ham 
 Dude coming in as the wild card.  You can’t argue with an old ham no matter 
 how much you try.
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

2010-12-22 Thread Glenn Kelley
Depending on your location - AND if you can backhaul you might think about 
instead grabbing a licensed backhaul and pulling in a different way .

For example -  While Washington Court House is 40+ miles from Columbus I have 
found a way to purchase bandwidth @ $5.00/meg 
And yes - even thought he license costs $3K  and the radios $10K  in the end - 
I can push a Gig for much lower than i could ever get from TW 
we are exploring this now in fact



On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 40 megs for $2100 here
 
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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 Really? Guess I shouldn’t complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600
 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to
 about $2300 for it.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
 
 
 
 They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for
 20/20Negotiable but not much.  All the statics you need included.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
 
 
 
 Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet
 access here in Ohio?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

2010-12-22 Thread Glenn Kelley
Correct. 

If you can come off a large building out of any of the cities here in Ohio that 
have carrier hotels - you can just backhaul your network right out of the city.
Cogent for example on their website today is offering $4/meg (for gige commit I 
bet) 

if TW wants to charge $2100 for 40 Meg ($52.50/meg) you really have to start 
thinking about why not setup some backhauls to give yourself a better rate. 

Coming from Columbus for example - and getting even $10/meg or Dayton or Cincy 
for us @ $10/meg allows us to make up the other $42+/- per meg in backhaul 
costs. 

Lets say for giggles and grins that Time Warner requires a 4 year contract at a 
rate of $2100 or at a total cost of $100,800
In turn an agreement from a carrier hotel for Blended bandwidth or even let's 
say from Cogent at a cost lets say for 40 Meg of $10/meg = $400/mo or $19.200 
for the same agreement ( 4 years) 
You really need to debate what the additional $81,600 could mean to your bottom 
line.

Even setting up multiple links from a carrier hotel - EVEN if it cost you $50K 
for the links would still place $30K +/-  in your bottom line. 

I could see where some of us that but up against each other could actually 
build our own Network to assist each other even :-)   but that is a different 
story

Many will argue that Cogent stinks -   Funny but I feel just the opposite.  It 
is a great product for a good price.
AND I find they still kick the heck out of Time Warner - but thats just my 
opinion.






On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

 Is this not from time Warner? Is it from someone else at 5/Meg
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
 
 Depending on your location - AND if you can backhaul you might think about 
 instead grabbing a licensed backhaul and pulling in a different way .
 
 For example -  While Washington Court House is 40+ miles from Columbus I 
 have found a way to purchase bandwidth @ $5.00/meg 
 And yes - even thought he license costs $3K  and the radios $10K  in the end 
 - I can push a Gig for much lower than i could ever get from TW 
 we are exploring this now in fact
 
 
 
 On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 40 megs for $2100 here
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 Really? Guess I shouldn’t complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600
 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to
 about $2300 for it.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
 
 
 
 They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 
 for
 20/20Negotiable but not much.  All the statics you need included.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
 
 
 
 Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet
 access here in Ohio?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

2010-12-22 Thread Glenn Kelley
In the Philly market yes
in Ohio - not so much 
:-( 

It depends upon what they have i guess (or the sales rep)

$300/mo for 100mbps is not 2 shabby :-)


On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:

 $4/meg from cogent is actually a bit high.
 I've seen deals for 3/meg on 100mb/s commit, And under 1.8/meg for GigE 
 commit.
 
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 Network Operations
 (855) FLSPEED  x106
 
 
 
 
 From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com
 Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 12:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
 
 Correct. 
 
 If you can come off a large building out of any of the cities here in Ohio 
 that have carrier hotels - you can just backhaul your network right out of 
 the city.
 Cogent for example on their website today is offering $4/meg (for gige commit 
 I bet) 
 
 if TW wants to charge $2100 for 40 Meg ($52.50/meg) you really have to start 
 thinking about why not setup some backhauls to give yourself a better rate. 
 
 Coming from Columbus for example - and getting even $10/meg or Dayton or 
 Cincy for us @ $10/meg allows us to make up the other $42+/- per meg in 
 backhaul costs. 
 
 Lets say for giggles and grins that Time Warner requires a 4 year contract at 
 a rate of $2100 or at a total cost of $100,800
 In turn an agreement from a carrier hotel for Blended bandwidth or even let's 
 say from Cogent at a cost lets say for 40 Meg of $10/meg = $400/mo or $19.200 
 for the same agreement ( 4 years) 
 You really need to debate what the additional $81,600 could mean to your 
 bottom line.
 
 Even setting up multiple links from a carrier hotel - EVEN if it cost you 
 $50K for the links would still place $30K +/-  in your bottom line. 
 
 I could see where some of us that but up against each other could actually 
 build our own Network to assist each other even :-)   but that is a different 
 story
 
 Many will argue that Cogent stinks -   Funny but I feel just the opposite.  
 It is a great product for a good price.
 AND I find they still kick the heck out of Time Warner - but thats just my 
 opinion.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 
 Is this not from time Warner? Is it from someone else at 5/Meg
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
 
 Depending on your location - AND if you can backhaul you might think about 
 instead grabbing a licensed backhaul and pulling in a different way .
 
 For example -  While Washington Court House is 40+ miles from Columbus I 
 have found a way to purchase bandwidth @ $5.00/meg 
 And yes - even thought he license costs $3K  and the radios $10K  in the 
 end - I can push a Gig for much lower than i could ever get from TW 
 we are exploring this now in fact
 
 
 
 On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 40 megs for $2100 here
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com 
 wrote:
 Really? Guess I shouldn’t complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600
 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down 
 to
 about $2300 for it.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
 
 
 
 They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 
 for
 20/20Negotiable but not much.  All the statics you need included.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
 
 
 
 Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet
 access here in Ohio?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Flaky connection

2010-12-18 Thread Glenn Kelley
Josh hit the nail on the head... 

See what else in going on @ the CPE. 
Also - 

have you folks started using MTR instead of ping?

MTR is like a traceroute on steroids 

In short - it combines the functionality of the traceroute tool and ping 
application together :-)

It shows you packet loss across the path in real time 

very simple to use - but a command line tool 

mtr ip

ie  mtr 192.168.134.2 


http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/




On Dec 18, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Ping across, see if it works all the time.
 
 See where the issue is first.
 
 On Dec 18, 2010 6:28 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
  I have a new customer that is giving us fits.
  AP and CPE are both RouterOS with SR9.
  11 Clients on the AP, this is the only one with problems.
  I checked it several times today and it was running signal strength -65 
  both ways and CCQ was always above 90, often saw 100. Customer said the 
  performance was great.
  I called at dusk to say it quit working. It did not work over night 
  last night, either. It will now connect with signals in the mid-60s and 
  CCQ in the 70s. Never stays linked more than 15 seconds. Takes about 2 
  seconds for it to come back.
  The rest of the client radios are staying connected just fine. Signals 
  from -56 to -72. CCQs are all 75+ when there is traffic on the link.
  Any suggestions?
  
  -- 
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Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

2010-12-15 Thread Glenn Kelley
I have found vmware to be a nightmare in many instances.
In others I absolutely love it. 

Check out the opensource project called ProxMox. 

It allows you to run containers as well as KVM instances - and has tons and 
tons of template machines (including the ability to use any VMWare one. 
http://proxmox.org/products/proxmox-ve

We have tons of templates from Cacti, WHMCS, cPanel, Zimbra, PRoxMox AntiSpam 
and others - well worth the testing 



On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote:

 Great thing about ESXi is that its footprint is so small. It uses like 300k 
 of memory and you can run it from a USB thumbdrive and all the storage is 
 simply virtual machines.
  
 EUREKA!
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
  
 That's for premier.  You want partner, like an ISP.  Someone said like a 
 dollar forty?
 
 On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:
  On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year
  (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me.
  People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at
  less than $1/month/sub.
  
  Cameron
  
  On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell
   support has been fantastic too.
 
  I think Redhat uses KVM?
 
  http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/
 
  Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to
  VMware?
 
 
 
  
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Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

2010-12-15 Thread Glenn Kelley
It is important to note KVM is actually part of the linux kernel. 
KVM stands for Kernel Virtual Machine
Since it is part of the kernel - it makes running it much more simple. 

Unlike Xen and others - (i like xen btw) - you do not need to worry about the 
kernel on an upgrade killing your ability to do virtulization as much as you 
would elsewhere

On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Jon Auer wrote:

 RHEL/CentOS/Fedora switched from Xen to KVM
 
 On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net 
 wrote:
 Historically, RHEL\CentOS have used Xen.  I'm not sure if any other
 methods are working their way into current releases.
 
 OpenVZ (managed through ProxMox) is a great way to host many
 resource-lite containers.  There's only 2 - 3% overhead and they can
 really add up low use servers.  If you're not using OpenVZ, I'd probably
 go to VMWare.  They have a free version and you can migrate that to the
 paid version when you're ready.  The paid version has all the fancy HA
 and load balancing features.
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 12/15/2010 12:07 PM, Matt wrote:
 Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support.  Dell
 support has been fantastic too.
 I think Redhat uses KVM?
 
 http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/
 
 Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon.  How does it compare to 
 VMware?
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

2010-12-15 Thread Glenn Kelley
I have a zimbra setup and it runs just fine... 
not sure what you are seeing - but interesting to know... 

and yes - that short rope I think you are right.

On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 The problem is that ProxMox has nowhere near the enterprise class feature set 
 of VMWare.
 
 Also, both KVM and OpenVZ have incompatibilities with certain Java 
 applications.  Zimbra, for instance, on OpenVZ it has a memory bug and on KVM 
 it has a CPU usage bug.
 
 Personally, anyone who codes an email server in Java needs to meet the short 
 end of a long rope.
 -
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 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 On 12/15/2010 2:08 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
 
 I have found vmware to be a nightmare in many instances.
 In others I absolutely love it. 
 
 Check out the opensource project called ProxMox. 
 
 It allows you to run containers as well as KVM instances - and has tons and 
 tons of template machines (including the ability to use any VMWare one. 
 http://proxmox.org/products/proxmox-ve
 
 We have tons of templates from Cacti, WHMCS, cPanel, Zimbra, PRoxMox 
 AntiSpam and others - well worth the testing 
 
 
 
 On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote:
 
 Great thing about ESXi is that its footprint is so small. It uses like 300k 
 of memory and you can run it from a USB thumbdrive and all the storage is 
 simply virtual machines.
  
 EUREKA!
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
  
 That's for premier.  You want partner, like an ISP.  Someone said like a 
 dollar forty?
 
 On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:
  On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per 
  year
  (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to 
  me.
  People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff 
  at
  less than $1/month/sub.
  
  Cameron
  
  On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. 
   Dell
   support has been fantastic too.
 
  I think Redhat uses KVM?
 
  http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/
 
  Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to
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Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

2010-12-15 Thread Glenn Kelley
gotcha using kvm here - but interesting.

Heck - i have opennms running in openvz and see none of those - so must be a 
zimbra deal. 

I am fighting some vmware issues now sadly - ready to pull the few hairs i have 
left out.
Wishing this was proxmox  ... 

resource issues - and resource pools not being followed ... 
fun 


On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Java sees the memory of the entire host vs. just the container.  There is a 
 myriad of config file changes to make it work, but I don't want to run a 
 severely molested config.  It's just that much harder to troubleshoot when 
 things are wrong.  It is a known issue between Java and OpenVZ, just no one 
 seems able and willing to fix it.
 -
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 On 12/15/2010 2:26 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
 
 I have a zimbra setup and it runs just fine... 
 not sure what you are seeing - but interesting to know... 
 
 and yes - that short rope I think you are right.
 
 On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 
 The problem is that ProxMox has nowhere near the enterprise class feature 
 set of VMWare.
 
 Also, both KVM and OpenVZ have incompatibilities with certain Java 
 applications.  Zimbra, for instance, on OpenVZ it has a memory bug and on 
 KVM it has a CPU usage bug.
 
 Personally, anyone who codes an email server in Java needs to meet the 
 short end of a long rope.
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 On 12/15/2010 2:08 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
 
 I have found vmware to be a nightmare in many instances.
 In others I absolutely love it. 
 
 Check out the opensource project called ProxMox. 
 
 It allows you to run containers as well as KVM instances - and has tons 
 and tons of template machines (including the ability to use any VMWare 
 one. 
 http://proxmox.org/products/proxmox-ve
 
 We have tons of templates from Cacti, WHMCS, cPanel, Zimbra, PRoxMox 
 AntiSpam and others - well worth the testing 
 
 
 
 On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote:
 
 Great thing about ESXi is that its footprint is so small. It uses like 
 300k of memory and you can run it from a USB thumbdrive and all the 
 storage is simply virtual machines.
  
 EUREKA!
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
  
 That's for premier.  You want partner, like an ISP.  Someone said like a 
 dollar forty?
 
 On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:
  On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per 
  year
  (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to 
  me.
  People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of 
  stuff at
  less than $1/month/sub.
  
  Cameron
  
  On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. 
   Dell
   support has been fantastic too.
 
  I think Redhat uses KVM?
 
  http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/
 
  Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to
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Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

2010-12-15 Thread Glenn Kelley
gotcha
have a few setup for a client - never saw that stuff @ all.

Might want to peek @ the kernel your using - 1.7 has a few updates that should 
help a ton.

Like anything - its always the little stuff :-)


On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 oh, I had CPU usage issues.  Basic Zimbra LDAP server with nothing else 
 attached would use 100% CPU.  It was some timing incompatibility.

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Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.

2010-12-06 Thread Glenn Kelley
I could not agree more.
Knowing that OSI model and following it - would really save many folks a ton of 
time. 


On Dec 5, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:

It’s across a wide variety of clients.  My guys always check layer1 before 
 they do much of anything.  We fixed two just yesterday which were bad patch 
 cables.
 
 We always reference the following article when we bring a new guy on:
 
 http://www.iphelp.ru/faq/24/ch16lev1sec1.html
 
 I have seen guys spend hours troubleshooting configurations that have not 
 changed in 6 months, do memory tests, and all sorts of things.  Then a jumper 
 is replaced and all is good.  My only point is start at the bottom of the OSI 
 model and work up if nothing has changed.
 
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 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 22:23:10 -0500
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.
 
 I don't think 1% accounts for those in my experience.  Wonder what you're 
 doing differently.
 
 On Dec 5, 2010 9:52 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:
  In my experience the first thing we always check is layer1.  80+% of our
  logged tickets can be traced down to bad cat-5, bad crimps, poor patch
  cables, etc.
  
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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.
  
  We recently upgraded a link and started having some packet loss.  Looking 
  at
  the manged switch, it was obvious the CMM on that tower was getting 
  ethernet
  errors.  Auto negotiation on GigE switches is flaky as hell.  This is the
  second time in a month I've had to hard code both ends.  This has occurred
  on both Cisco and HP Procurve hardware.
  
  GigE auto-neg not working is a hint pointing to bad cable,
  interference and/or defective hardware. Unlike Fast-Eth, Gig-E autoneg
  works and you lose link quality monitoring by disabling it.
  
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Squid for Video - videocache

2010-11-19 Thread Glenn Kelley
This works pretty well. 
We use it in place with PFSense - and it is amazing how much it actually saves 
:-)

http://cachevideos.com/install-videocache-pfsense

PFSense is really nice as well as it is a decent router - but even more - an 
excellent firewall - especially for free. 


On Nov 19, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:

 Website is up today.
 
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 On Nov 18, 2010, at 9:26, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote:
 
 Matt,
 
 Yes I used to run this back in version 1.9.2 when it was open source. It 
 worked well, but constantly required updating as the content providers were 
 always making changes to the way they served videos and breaking the 
 program. I was fixing these things myself and submitting patches back 
 upstream (in addition to adding support for new sites) but it seemed like an 
 uphill battle so I eventually gave up.
 
 From what I've heard there have been several major changes made in recent 
 versions. I haven't bothered to purchase the program and compare it against 
 the open source version.
 
 --
 Blake Covarrubias
 
 On Nov 18, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 
 Has anyone here tried this out?
 
 http://cachevideos.com/
 
 I this sounds like a great idea in theory.Interested to see if it 
 works as well in practice.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Office Phones

2010-11-17 Thread Glenn Kelley
A few solutions that should help - while technically asterisk - very easy to 
work with

1.  Trixbox CE (the free one) 
2.  PBXInAFlash 

google both- very easy to setup :-)

then you can use virtually any ip phone - including your iphone, android, and 
others 


On Nov 17, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:

 Learning Asterisk dialplans (extensions.con, AEL, etc) is different from 
 using a Asterisk powered by FreePBX (GUI).
 
 http://www.freepbx.org/
 
 I would also recommend Polycom desk phones. Not sure who makes good cordless 
 phones. I'm currently looking at a cordless from Yealink.
 
 You should look into the PIKA WARP appliance as a PBX.
 
 http://www.pikatechnologies.com/english/View.asp?x=652
 
 Even with a GUI Asterisk still has a learning curve, but nowhere near the 
 time required if you were manually writing dialplans. SIP Station has an 
 auto-configure module for FreePBX which will setup their SIP trunks with a 
 few clicks.
 
 http://www.sipstation.com/
 
 I have experience with all of the above. Feel free to hit me up off list for 
 more info and/or configuration support.
 
 --
 Blake Covarrubias
 
 On Nov 17, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
 
 I'd recommend Polycom deskphones, and Pap2t ata's for the cordless phones. 
 As for the system, I'd say asterisk, But you said that wasn't an option... 
 Maybe something like trixbox that is asterisk with a nice easy to use GUI?
 
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 Network Operations
 (855) FLSPEED  x106
 
 
 
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:36 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Office Phones
 
 If you want local and remote extensions with Vox you will have to get a sip 
 trunk from them and go with an ip pbx. If you don't want to spend much money 
 you can use an spa9000 but I'm not a big fan of it. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone4
 
 On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 
 I had a direct Lightening hit to our office 2 weeks ago and My ATT phone 
 system is now acting up and loses calls all the time.
 
 
 
 I am planning to go to VOX and get away from my pots lines for the most 
 part. 
 
 
 
 I would like others recommendation for a in office phone system for 5 users 
 only but I need a good voice mail and ability to have cordless phones.  I 
 would also like the ability to do remote transfer to a cell or a offsite 
 VoIP extension.
 
 
 
 Last part I truthfully do not have time to spend 40 hours learning 
 Asterisk. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[WISPA] Cord Cutting

2010-11-17 Thread Glenn Kelley
The number of people subscribing to US cable television services has suffered 
its biggest decline in 30 years as younger, tech-savvy viewers lead an exodus 
to web-based operations, such as Hulu and Netflix.

The total number of subscribers to TV services provided by cable, satellite and 
telco operators fell by 119,000 in the third quarter, compared with a gain of 
346,000 in the third quarter of 2009, according to SNL Kagan, a research 
company.   


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Re: [WISPA] service in Grove City, OH

2010-11-15 Thread Glenn Kelley
Contact Country Connections - they might be able to help.
www.CountryConnections.net 




On Nov 15, 2010, at 9:52 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] Service contracts

2010-11-11 Thread Glenn Kelley
Contracts are never for the client.
They are always to protect you - the seller.

Without a contract - if a business comes and states that you are responsible 
for a loss of business - you might think twice. 
Verbal contracts are only as good as the paper they are written on. 

Just ask Judge Joe Brown ;-) 

Funny part is - Most business clients want a contract. 
Even for our hosting customers its the same. 

Go figure


On Nov 12, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Robert West wrote:

 Been there.  Found that customers were increasingly “aggravated” with 
 contracts.  Turned it all upside down and now I only have them sign a combo 
 TOS and the equipment is ours and we can come and go to service it at will.  
 I give a spiel of how “contracts are BS because if someone wants you to sign 
 a contract, they must know something that you don’t……….  We’re family and you 
 are now part of it.  If you don’t like the service, call me……  yada, yada, 
 yada.  We all bond and it’s all good.
  
 Works for us and we become the rebels against the contract pushers.  (It’s 
 all marketing)
  
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Jeremy Rodgers
 Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:39 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Service contracts
  
 For years now we have required new residential customers to sign a 2 year 
 term agreement.  For competitive reasons we are evaluating this.  One barrier 
 for us has been the length of time it takes from contract creation to 
 customer returning it.  With our current situation striking while the iron 
 is hot is not possible as it could take a couple of weeks for the agreement 
 to be returned.  It is also intimidating at 6 pages long.
 
 So...a couple questions
 
 -How long is your customer contract (# of pages and term)
 -What does your process look like
 -Do your installers get the paperwork signed
 -What advantages are there to a term agreement
 
 Our thought is to possibly reduce it down to one page and reference the Terms 
 of Service on our website.  When the new customer calls we can schedule them 
 right on the spot and send the paperwork with the installer.  Anything you 
 see as a disadvantage with this?
 
 Any input is appreciated!
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 O: 800.363.0989 
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Re: [WISPA] TTY Spam/Stolen Credit Card Scam against ISPs

2010-10-29 Thread Glenn Kelley
Matt 

A great service is MaxMind - a few others as well - runs prior to the credit 
auth. 
as of the blacklists- do you not limit how many emails an account can send per 
hour?

Shoot to me off list - i can set you up a few tools that may help here. 
:-)   good stuff - especially if you know linux well. 

I have some good mod_sec rules that work having mail as a reverse proxy - from 
a recent hosting client that had an issue we patched. 

Happy to help you win the fight. 

Glenn

On Oct 28, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

 ng impaired people (or a forgery of it) to order
 up a dialup account and several email addresses.Then the account is
 paid for with a credit card.Within a couple of hours, spam starts
 flowing from the email addresses.   We tracked this down when one of the
 people with the stolen credit cards called us to find out why we were
 charging them, and it was readily apparent that this was not a
 legitimate account.
 
 Heads up.Now we get to go through the stupid fight to get ourselves
 removed from the yahoo and aol blacklists.   Dammit!

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Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!

2010-10-28 Thread Glenn Kelley
Bob - I have seen some of your setups ;-)
interesting ... 
they work rock solid from the looks of it however

blessings, 

On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:15 AM, RickG wrote:

 now its a double joke :)
 
 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com 
 wrote:
 Was a joke.  J
 
  
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
 Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:35 AM
 
 
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!
 
  
 Those that are on grain elevators to start.. 
 
  
 Coming from a Fire and EMS background - if i can get NEMA i will 
 
  
 seen to many reason why it is worth it.
 
  
 On Oct 28, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Robert West wrote:
 
 
 
 NEMA is over rated..  Who cares about safety and intrinsically sealed, 
 anyhow.?
 
  
  
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:57 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!
 
  
 Wish it was nema!
 
 On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Liam Cummings 
 lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com wrote:
 
 Ooo….. this looks way cooler and has battery backup included. Cheaper too
 
  
  
 http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtModelID=3640
 
  
  
  
 Peace out!
 
  
 Lawanda
 
  
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:46 PM
 
 
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!
 
  
 Excellent, Rickesha! 
 
  
 All doing good, sounds like.  Too bad the cable and electric companies are 
 having such issues.
 
  
  
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:29 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!
 
  
 We had a bunch of high winds and a tornado southwest of here but not a glitch 
 with the network - sent those your way Bob :)
 
 On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hope you fellow Midwesterners are faring well with this major pain in the 
 butt wall of WIND making its way across the states.We had winds clocked 
 at 85mph and a so-so, mini-tornado/micro-burst about a mile from one of my 
 gateways.  Tore up lots of “stuff” but thankfully the only thing I lost was 
 power.  The handy thing was, this is a gateway that I moved and upgraded from 
 solar to grid power (But STILL hadn’t put in a battery backup……..  figures)  
 but I left the old solar install in place in case I ever needed it (!) and 
 just moved my box from the new to the old and all was good.  Could have been 
 worse from the looks of the damage it’s been causing all over Ohio, Indiana, 
 etc.  I was just shocked as heck to find nothing damaged.  I guess over 
 engineering pays off sometimes!
 
  
 Passing any of my luck to the rest of ya!
 
  
 Bob-
 
  
 (Sometimes even a LOSER wins!!!  It’s String Theory, happens.  I’m just sad 
 cause I was looking for a reason to get drunk.)
 
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!

2010-10-27 Thread Glenn Kelley
Those that are on grain elevators to start.. 

Coming from a Fire and EMS background - if i can get NEMA i will 

seen to many reason why it is worth it.

On Oct 28, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Robert West wrote:

 NEMA is over rated..  Who cares about safety and intrinsically sealed, 
 anyhow.?
  
  
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:57 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!
  
 Wish it was nema!
 
 On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Liam Cummings 
 lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com wrote:
 Ooo….. this looks way cooler and has battery backup included. Cheaper too
  
  
 http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtModelID=3640
  
  
  
 Peace out!
  
 Lawanda
  
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:46 PM
 
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!
  
 Excellent, Rickesha! 
  
 All doing good, sounds like.  Too bad the cable and electric companies are 
 having such issues.
  
  
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:29 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!
  
 We had a bunch of high winds and a tornado southwest of here but not a glitch 
 with the network - sent those your way Bob :)
 
 On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com 
 wrote:
 Hope you fellow Midwesterners are faring well with this major pain in the 
 butt wall of WIND making its way across the states.We had winds clocked 
 at 85mph and a so-so, mini-tornado/micro-burst about a mile from one of my 
 gateways.  Tore up lots of “stuff” but thankfully the only thing I lost was 
 power.  The handy thing was, this is a gateway that I moved and upgraded from 
 solar to grid power (But STILL hadn’t put in a battery backup……..  figures)  
 but I left the old solar install in place in case I ever needed it (!) and 
 just moved my box from the new to the old and all was good.  Could have been 
 worse from the looks of the damage it’s been causing all over Ohio, Indiana, 
 etc.  I was just shocked as heck to find nothing damaged.  I guess over 
 engineering pays off sometimes!
  
 Passing any of my luck to the rest of ya!
  
 Bob-
  
 (Sometimes even a LOSER wins!!!  It’s String Theory, happens.  I’m just sad 
 cause I was looking for a reason to get drunk.)
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attacks

2010-10-25 Thread Glenn Kelley
Bret - 

If I poked @ your network right - you are using Cogento. 
They should be able to allow you to place something in their DC prior to it 
reaching your network.
(cost may be $100/mo or so) 

A simple transparent gateway/firewall would do wonders. 


On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Bret Clark wrote:

 If we got rid of the spammers and attackers we'd have more then enough IP 
 addresses and everyone would be able to get by on dial up! Seriously though I 
 estimate that 5% of my upstream bandwidth is used by people to spam and 
 attempt hack attacks on me. I use numerous apps to stop them such as 
 denyhost, but it only stops them at my door, they still use up my bandwidth! 
 
 Bret
 
 On 10/25/2010 12:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 
 I'm brute force attacked every day all over hell.
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
   
 
 On 10/24/2010 9:20 PM, Robert West wrote:
 
 Is it just me or is everyone having their gateway servers attacked by those 
 Chinese so-and so’s?  (WISPA REGS)
 
   
 My logs show attacks all weekend on all of my MT gateways.  Sad 
 
   
 Never had that before.  Even the Routerboard I use at the house.  
 RELENTLESS! 
 
   
 Just sharing  They get swatted off so it’s all good but it’s 
 interesting to watch their attack
 
   
 Moving on.
 
   
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[WISPA] Cookie Security Alert

2010-10-25 Thread Glenn Kelley
http://codebutler.com/firesheep

When logging into a website you usually start by submitting your username and 
password. The server then checks to see if an account matching this information 
exists and if so, replies back to you with a cookie which is used by your 
browser for all subsequent requests.
It's extremely common for websites to protect your password by encrypting the 
initial login, but surprisingly uncommon for websites to encrypt everything 
else. This leaves the cookie (and the user) vulnerable. HTTP session hijacking 
(sometimes called sidejacking) is when an attacker gets a hold of a user's 
cookie, allowing them to do anything the user can do on a particular website. 
On an open wireless network, cookies are basically shouted through the air, 
making these attacks extremely easy.

This is a widely known problem that has been talked about to death, yet very 
popular websites continue to fail at protecting their users. The only effective 
fix for this problem is full end-to-end encryption, known on the web as HTTPS 
or SSL. Facebook is constantly rolling out new privacy features in an endless 
attempt to quell the screams of unhappy users, but what's the point when 
someone can just take over an account entirely? Twitter forced all third party 
developers to use OAuth then immediately released (and promoted) a new version 
of their insecure website. When it comes to user privacy, SSL is the elephant 
in the room.


FireSheep basically just makes it possible to grab a users FaceBook account ... 

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Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attacks

2010-10-25 Thread Glenn Kelley
i hear ya there
There are a few alternatives -  depending on the relationship you have w/ your 
upstream
but I hear ya - 


On Oct 25, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Bret Clark wrote:

 Cogent is one of our providers and that would be an idea, but we have several 
 upstream providers that we peer with via BGP.  The usages isn't an issue for 
 as we have enough Internet bandwidth, but it is amazing the amount of illegal 
 traffic that comes into our network in terms of hackers, spammers, phishing, 
 etc. A problem for everyone I would suppose. 
 
 Bret
 
 On 10/25/2010 10:45 AM, Glenn Kelley rote:
 
 Bret - 
 
 If I poked @ your network right - you are using Cogento. 
 They should be able to allow you to place something in their DC prior to it 
 reaching your network.
 (cost may be $100/mo or so) 
 
 A simple transparent gateway/firewall would do wonders. 
 
 
 On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
 
 If we got rid of the spammers and attackers we'd have more then enough IP 
 addresses and everyone would be able to get by on dial up! Seriously though 
 I estimate that 5% of my upstream bandwidth is used by people to spam and 
 attempt hack attacks on me. I use numerous apps to stop them such as 
 denyhost, but it only stops them at my door, they still use up my 
 bandwidth! 
 
 Bret
 
 On 10/25/2010 12:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 
 I'm brute force attacked every day all over hell.
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
   
 
 On 10/24/2010 9:20 PM, Robert West wrote:
 
 Is it just me or is everyone having their gateway servers attacked by 
 those Chinese so-and so’s?  (WISPA REGS)
 
   
 My logs show attacks all weekend on all of my MT gateways.  Sad 
 
   
 Never had that before.  Even the Routerboard I use at the house.  
 RELENTLESS! 
 
   
 Just sharing  They get swatted off so it’s all good but it’s 
 interesting to watch their attack
 
   
 Moving on.
 
   
 Steve-
 
   
   
   
   
   
   
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Can't get my 100MB

2010-10-25 Thread Glenn Kelley
Use IPERF 

IPERF will let you do this - w/o much of a system in fact. 

:-)

you do need something else on the other end however

On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

 Forbes,
 Besides the usual things to  look for, please keep in mind that most of 
 the SpeedTest Servers out their are 'capped' and not really designed to 
 test for 100meg x 100meg connections.
 The best way to test it is to use 'Bandwidth Tester' tool  (Mikrotik's 
 have one built in), and there are others you can find / download on the 
 net. (Jperf ?)
 
 Keep in mind, you need beefy systems to be able to generate, sustained 
 amount of 100meg bandwidth, for testing.
 
 Regards
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 On 10/25/2010 4:37 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
 I just took delivery on a 100MB Fiber connection from Charter, we're
 perplexed at the variable speed tests we are getting.  Charter's varies
 from 25 to 50MB down, speedtest.net goes to about 20-25MB down and 30
 up, speakeasy doesn't go above 20MB.  Charter says the cap is off on our
 100MB so it should be showing that.
 
 The anatomy of our network is fiber to our head-end, goes to a Charter
 switch then to our Cisco 2811, then to a gig netgear switch.  We're
 doing our speed tests on a standard browser (Firefox) in a Windows 2003
 box that has a 10/100 ethernet (about 8 feet) to the gig switch.  I'm
 debating if the 2811 is hefty enough to handle the 100MB, any ideas?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE

2010-10-22 Thread Glenn Kelley
If a client gets a $700 bill one time - they generally do not think twice about 
paying the $300 etf 


On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

 
 Because of the 2GByte or 5GByte limit.
 
 One of my new users got a $700 bill from verzion!  another got $1100 from att.
 
 Our limit is 40GByte.
 
 Help them learn.  Teach them how to get att or verzion to dump their contract.

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Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone

2010-10-20 Thread Glenn Kelley
thanks rick for the laugh.
last sentence had me giggling 


On Oct 20, 2010, at 8:43 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 Inspection of tower equipment
 Preview the area for marketing demographics before signing a contract
 Locating tower site without climbing roof for line of site issues
 Watching a high school football game in your car when it is raining :)
 Tons of uses, not all of them will be good!
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of John Thomas
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:22 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone
 
 I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like
 it might save a tower climb somewhere.
 
 http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone-
 quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p
 
 
 You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Glenn Kelley
I cannot imagine how someone can charge what this guy does for a basic front 
end to pf in bsd. 

You could hire someone to write something for much less ... 

amazing 

vyatta does bandwidth shaping in their paid product - but in my humble opinion 
- it is lacking big time. 

pfsense does it - as well - much nicer 


On Oct 15, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Dan Ferguson wrote:

  We had an ETINC box as well, I second what Travis says. Except it was 
 actually worse than Travis describes.
 
 Avoid at all costs.
 
 - Dan
 
 
 
 
 On 10/15/2010 8:47 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
   Run... run far far away...
 
 We ran an ETINC box for many years, until we couldn't take his support
 and attitude any longer... or his nazi licensing system.
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 
 On 10/15/2010 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 Dennis has been around for a very long time.
 http://www.etinc.com/
 
 marlon
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:15 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
 
 
   In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new
 bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or
 bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week).  I'm
 looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Water tower contracts

2010-10-09 Thread Glenn Kelley
I believe they are in the members only section

On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:57 PM, Chris Hudson wrote:

 Is there somewhere on the WISPA site the has some sample contracts? I'm not 
 having much luck. OR does anyone have one I could adapt.
  
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Re: [WISPA] Water tower contracts

2010-10-09 Thread Glenn Kelley
that at least is an easier fight than the guy who thinks your units will turn 
their water green ;-)


On Oct 9, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Chris Hudson wrote:

 I have a water guy for the town that's concerned about maintenance issues?? I 
 plan to attach pipe to the railing around the fat part of the tower, so there 
 shouldn't be anything major.
  
 Chris
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 Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water tower contracts
 
 And I guess I kept overlooking the wiki
  
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water tower contracts
 
 I believe they are in the members only section
 
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 Is there somewhere on the WISPA site the has some sample contracts? I'm not 
 having much luck. OR does anyone have one I could adapt.
  
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Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
IP Spoofing can really hit you hard.
Running a datacenter I have received reports from a number of other DC's

then when doing the actual investigation I have to tell an engineer @ the other 
DC that they are wrong.

Retaliation is never a good thing - chances are you are hitting the wrong 
person.

Just my 2 cents 


On Oct 2, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:

 How about the Backtrack toolset.
 
 In the early days of the internet (for me) I would see people trying to 
 attack me so I'd use some script kiddie tools to throw attacks back at them. 
 If they weren't patched they'd go down. Often they'd go down.
 
 Then again that was a colossal waste of time. It's better to just block them, 
 and once in a while look at your address list and see who's gotten put in the 
 sand box.
 
 Greg
 
 On Oct 2, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Robert West wrote:
 
 Or..!  A rule that will route them back to themselves!  Now THAT would 
 be hilarious!!!
  
 Bob-
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway
  
 But thinking back on  it, imagine the “Damn it!” looks on their faces if 
 they DID get in only to find a nothing Mikrotik routerboard!
  
 LOL, it would be funny to have something connected that did nothing. Better 
 yet, just reroute them to fbi.gov!
 
 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com 
 wrote:
 I’ve been migrating everything to a central location.  Not done yet but boy, 
 have had a mess the past 3 weeks with the reconfiguring and moving of 
 “stuff”.  As well as one major gateway out of the “solar” status to real 
 grid power.  Finally!
  
 Was interesting to watch the log, though.  I blocked every IP as it popped 
 up then they switched from FTP to SSH.  Once SSH was blocked, they went the 
 hell away.
  
 But thinking back on  it, imagine the “Damn it!” looks on their faces if 
 they DID get in only to find a nothing Mikrotik routerboard!  HA!
  
  
  
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway
  
 Bob, 
  
 If memory serves me correct - you do not have a central network - is that 
 right?
 instead your just using multiple pops via cable modems? 
  
 If that is the case - it might be a bit more difficult - on the other hand - 
 if you have switched to a central network (or have this in some places) 
 than I can give you an easy transparent bridge solution @ no cost (just need 
 one of your old pc's and 2 nics :-)  ) 
  
  
 Let me know
  
  
 On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:48 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
  
 
  
 why not just block china (and other countries) from access unless it is 
 something opened first from inside the network ?
  
 Would make a big difference 
  
 :-)
  
  
  
 On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:28 PM, RickG wrote:
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Glenn Kelley

why not just block china (and other countries) from access unless it is 
something opened first from inside the network ?

Would make a big difference 

:-)



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Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Glenn Kelley
Bob, 

If memory serves me correct - you do not have a central network - is that right?
instead your just using multiple pops via cable modems? 

If that is the case - it might be a bit more difficult - on the other hand - if 
you have switched to a central network (or have this in some places) 
than I can give you an easy transparent bridge solution @ no cost (just need 
one of your old pc's and 2 nics :-)  ) 


Let me know


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 why not just block china (and other countries) from access unless it is 
 something opened first from inside the network ?
 
 Would make a big difference 
 
 :-)
 
 
 
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[WISPA] Solar panel calculation

2010-09-28 Thread Glenn Kelley
I found a nice little tool to help w/ solar panel calculations 

http://www.virtualsecrets.com/solar-panel-battery-calculators.html


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[WISPA] COICA

2010-09-28 Thread Glenn Kelley
https://www.eff.org/coica

Not looking to get into the politics side - but passing this along as a link 
for those that wish to know about it. 

You can find out more details on the bill here: https://eff.org/coica

---

Open letter from Internet engineers to members of the Senate Judiciary 
Committee:

We, the undersigned, have played various parts in building a network called
the Internet. We wrote and debugged the software; we defined the standards and
protocols that talk over that network. Many of us invented parts of it. We're
just a little proud of the social and economic benefits that our project, the
Internet, has brought with it.

We are writing to oppose the Committee's proposed new Internet censorship and
copyright bill. If enacted, this legislation will risk fragmenting the
Internet's global domain name system (DNS), create an environment of
tremendous fear and uncertainty for technological innovation, and seriously
harm the credibility of the United States in its role as a steward of key
Internet infrastructure. In exchange for this, the bill will introduce
censorship that will simultaneously be circumvented by deliberate infringers
while hampering innocent parties' ability to communicate.

All censorship schemes impact speech beyond the category they were intended to
restrict, but this bill will be particularly egregious in that regard because
it causes entire domains to vanish from the Web, not just infringing pages or
files. Worse, an incredible range of useful, law-abiding sites can be
blacklisted under this bill. These problems will be enough to ensure that
alternative name-lookup infrastructures will come into widespread use, outside
the control of US service providers but easily used by American citizens.
Errors and divergences will appear between these new services and the current
global DNS, and contradictory addresses will confuse browsers and frustrate
the people using them. These problems will be widespread and will affect sites
other than those blacklisted by the American government.

The US government has regularly claimed that it supports a free and open
Internet, both domestically and abroad. We can't have a free and open Internet
without a global domain name system that sits above the political concerns and
objectives of any one government or industry. To date, the leading role the US
has played in this infrastructure has been fairly uncontroversial because
America is seen as a trustworthy arbiter and a neutral bastion of free
expression. If the US suddenly begins to use its central position in the DNS
for censorship that advances its political and economic agenda, the
consequences will be far-reaching and destructive.

Senators, we believe the Internet is too important and too valuable to be
endangered in this way, and implore you to put this bill aside.

-- 
Peter Eckersleyp...@eff.org
Senior Staff Technologist Tel  +1 415 436 9333 x131
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Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

2010-09-28 Thread Glenn Kelley
http://ubnt.com/8023af

that should help 


On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

 But even if they enabled Gig Ethernet then it would not link at
 1000Mb.  Gig Ethernet requires all eight pairs to transmit the data,
 but only the four required to transmit Fast Ethernet are available.
 To be able to use Gig Ethernet they would have to switch the PoE to
 802.3af.
 
 On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 I wanted to follow up on this.
 I swapped a 750 out for a RB/600 the other day, and now my packet loss
 problems have gone away.  Must be a problem with incompatibility to a
 MikroTik.
 
 RB-600 has GigE interfaces, while RB-750 has FastE. Seems like a
 negotiation issue, a strange one as Ubiquiti is also Fast-E. Or maybe
 UBNT changed this ? The chipset they use on the M family is Gig-E
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

2010-09-27 Thread Glenn Kelley
multi-ssid on a nano ? 

On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

 Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

2010-09-27 Thread Glenn Kelley
Absolutely Awesome !
On Sep 27, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

 Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up.
 wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
 ifconfig ath1 up
 iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid
 
 add encryption and ect with iwconifg
 
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 multi-ssid on a nano ?
 On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 
 Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is?
 
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 jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 
 Anyone have this working? If so, is it stable or glitchy?
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT Nano5M Secondary RJ45 Port PoE Burnout!

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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

2010-09-21 Thread Glenn Kelley
Bob 

Just imagine when a customer sends out an email asking for someone to renew 
their credit card or something else - and uses your domain... and sends it to 
your customer(s)

I know a few this has happened with.  

It is always best to use something different.

just my 2 cents. 



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 Email?  I stopped with the email long ago however, we have some that INSIST
 on it so we just add them to our email account on our host.  We pay a whole
 100 bucks for a shared hosting account at IX Hosting.  If they want email,
 we just add it to our unlimited' accounts for a 5 buck a month charge.
 
 
 
 
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 Subject: [WISPA] Email hosting
 
 Hello,
 
 We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
 about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with their
 service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit of a shot
 in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can stick with for
 a long time.
 
 What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
 range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
 reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
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Re: [WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public frequency

2010-09-21 Thread Glenn Kelley
we sent a number of UBNT radios down and both 2.4 and 5.8 were a mess... 
Airmax helped - but your right - stuff was just left running -  who knows 
where. 

Our team did a bunch for the United Methodist Church - and have some backhauls 
hopping all the way to the DR vs purchasing local. 

5.1 seemed to be very open however 


Hit me off list - and I will see what I can do to get some folks hooked up w/ 
you depending on location 


On Sep 21, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:

 I'm in South America but way way out in the jungle. It's the wild wild west 
 out here so compliance is easy. Regulations? We don't need no stinking 
 regulations! This place is quieter than an anechoic chamber.
 
 But I know a guy who's running a wisp in town. His problem is it's the wild 
 wild west there too. 2.4GHz is a mess. He just went to 5.8GHz for back hauls 
 which is still reasonably pristine but I'm sure that will change. I think all 
 the things that apply in your neck of the woods will apply in Haiti - use 
 sectors on the APs to help deal with interference, use the narrowest possible 
 beam width on back hauls and 5.8GHz is probably the smart way to go, use as 
 little power as possible, starting with Airmax now will probably prevent 
 future problems with interference. Though in Haiti I imagine equipment theft 
 at remote sites could be a problem. Never been to Haiti but I used to sail to 
 the relatively richer half of the island (Dominican Republic) and it was the 
 wild wild west there too.
 
 One time the captain wanted to test the calibration of the RDF so we tuned in 
 the radio beacon. The Dominican Republic's callsign block is HI. The beacon 
 transmits it's callsign in morse code. The beacon's callsign was HIV.
 
 Greg
 
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[WISPA] Kernel Patching

2010-09-20 Thread Glenn Kelley
Just a heads up. 

Those of you who are running Debian, CentOS, RedHat and other systems similar.
There is a pretty big security flaw on the 64 bit side of these systems now 
labeled as 
CVE-2010-3081


In short 

The flaw identified by CVE-2010-3081 (Red Hat Bugzilla bug 634457) describes an 
issue in the 32/64-bit compatibility layer implementation in the Linux kernel, 
versions 2.6.26-rc1 to 2.6.36-rc4. The compat_alloc_user_space() function is 
missing a sanity check on the length argument, and also a check to make sure 
the pointer to the block of memory in user-space that the process is attempting 
to write to is valid. This flaw was addressed via the upstream git commit 
c41d68a5 for the 2.6 Linux kernel.

This function could be abused in other areas of the Linux kernel if the length 
argument can be controlled from user-space. A known example of this is the 
compat_mc_getsockopt() function for MCAST_MSFILTER that was introduced in 
upstream git commit 42908c69 (v2.6.26-rc1).

You can easily fix this by implementing the patch located here:   
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c41d68a513c71e35a14f66d71782d27a79a81ea6.

As always - if you are stuck -please do not hesitate to contact me offlist - 
while the patch is from 9/19/10 - many wispa's have not patched their systems 
simply because they don't know they needed to. 

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Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching

2010-09-20 Thread Glenn Kelley
lol 

Red Hat has not actually pushed anything out yet - even though others have... 
makes me wonder what they are thinking 



On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:

 Thanks for the update.  Thank goodness I run only 2 bit code!
 
 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
 Just a heads up.
 Those of you who are running Debian, CentOS, RedHat and other systems
 similar.
 There is a pretty big security flaw on the 64 bit side of these systems now
 labeled as
 
 CVE-2010-3081
 
 In short
 The flaw identified by CVE-2010-3081 (Red Hat Bugzilla bug 634457) describes
 an issue in the 32/64-bit compatibility layer implementation in the Linux
 kernel, versions 2.6.26-rc1 to 2.6.36-rc4. The compat_alloc_user_space()
 function is missing a sanity check on the length argument, and also a check
 to make sure the pointer to the block of memory in user-space that the
 process is attempting to write to is valid. This flaw was addressed via the
 upstream git commit c41d68a5 for the 2.6 Linux kernel.
 This function could be abused in other areas of the Linux kernel if the
 length argument can be controlled from user-space. A known example of this
 is the compat_mc_getsockopt() function for MCAST_MSFILTER that was
 introduced in upstream git commit 42908c69 (v2.6.26-rc1).
 You can easily fix this by implementing the patch located here:
   
 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c41d68a513c71e35a14f66d71782d27a79a81ea6.
 As always - if you are stuck -please do not hesitate to contact me offlist -
 while the patch is from 9/19/10 - many wispa's have not patched their
 systems simply because they don't know they needed to.
 As always - when in doubt check the security lists out :-)
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching

2010-09-20 Thread Glenn Kelley
I believe that is called shoe and leather - yes ?


On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:

 Thanks for the update.  Thank goodness I run only 2 bit code!
 
 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
 Just a heads up.
 Those of you who are running Debian, CentOS, RedHat and other systems
 similar.
 There is a pretty big security flaw on the 64 bit side of these systems now
 labeled as
 
 CVE-2010-3081
 
 In short
 The flaw identified by CVE-2010-3081 (Red Hat Bugzilla bug 634457) describes
 an issue in the 32/64-bit compatibility layer implementation in the Linux
 kernel, versions 2.6.26-rc1 to 2.6.36-rc4. The compat_alloc_user_space()
 function is missing a sanity check on the length argument, and also a check
 to make sure the pointer to the block of memory in user-space that the
 process is attempting to write to is valid. This flaw was addressed via the
 upstream git commit c41d68a5 for the 2.6 Linux kernel.
 This function could be abused in other areas of the Linux kernel if the
 length argument can be controlled from user-space. A known example of this
 is the compat_mc_getsockopt() function for MCAST_MSFILTER that was
 introduced in upstream git commit 42908c69 (v2.6.26-rc1).
 You can easily fix this by implementing the patch located here:
   
 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c41d68a513c71e35a14f66d71782d27a79a81ea6.
 As always - if you are stuck -please do not hesitate to contact me offlist -
 while the patch is from 9/19/10 - many wispa's have not patched their
 systems simply because they don't know they needed to.
 As always - when in doubt check the security lists out :-)
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

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Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted!

2010-09-14 Thread Glenn Kelley
hoverboard I suppose...  - truth is I am wondering the same thing - as I can 
see some of those being able to be used on some huge trees we have in locations 
- ie... my yard for example.

On Sep 14, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I have no idea how people use standoffs.  How do you access the gear on the 
 standoff?
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 On 9/13/2010 9:36 PM, Robert West wrote:
 
 I know you got ‘em.
  
 I’m looking for some nice pics of the various ways of mounting sector 
 antennas.  I have a tower with 5 to 10 and even 20” structural tube to mount 
 to, three sided classic 1980’s tower.  300 footer.  I’m the king at ripping 
 off designs and welding up my own (sorry, my bad)  and am looking for some 
 good ideas for this thing.
  
 I’d say pretty please but I’m not that pretty and I never please.  Well, so 
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Re: [WISPA] speed test

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
Bob - your using time warners bandwidth - 
simply use theirs - your ip ranges are theirs anyhow - 

best results - as I have found :-)

On Sep 12, 2010, at 11:03 PM, Robert West wrote:

 I use Speedtest.Net for my own tests to verify my CPE settings.  Yeah, 
 sometimes it sucks but I have to change to a better server normally and I 
 tell the customer the same thing.  Right now we are defaulted to some B.S. 
 speed test server with a 73ms ping time!  WTF!73MS???!!!
  
 Flippin’ stupid!
  
 Bob-
  
  
  
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 Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:29 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] speed test
  
 OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to 
 speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've 
 never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the 
 load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get 
 these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :(
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Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
experience here shows sub 50 as a max  - for the price point - it cannot be 
beat however 


On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:

Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine.  The polling 
 is different than the MIMO technology.  Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 
 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such 
 purposes.  I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 
 clients at 3meg burstable speeds.  I am interested to see how many clients an 
 airmax AP can handle.
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 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
 
 Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual 
 pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 
 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part 
 of it, it wont connect.  Or are you saying that all your clients need to be 
 new with Airmax ability?
  
 
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 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ 
  
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
 
 From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you 
 make the switch.  I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went 
 from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. 
  Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like 
 Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in 
 your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's 
 just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik 
 equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity.  Oh and you're 
 right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with 
 non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax 
 running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on 
 that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but 
 worth it.
 
 Forbes Mercy
 Washington Broadband
 
 On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: 
 All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT.   I have a 
 AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns.  
 They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g.  This is a tower that due to 
 contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment.  So I am considering 
 taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket 
 and Airmax 120 sector.  It will take time to physically switch all my clients 
 to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow 
 flies.  
  
 Has anyone down this?  Success?  I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone 
 is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on?
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
If your mixing non airmax with airmax - about 50 is the max 
if not - then seems much better - just run airmax 

:-) 

hope that helps 

On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:

 Glenn,  My concern is I already have 58 clients on a MT AP.  I need Double 
 that.  Your saying you don’t see more than 50 working right.  Please explain. 
  UBNT says 300 Clients per AP no problem.
  
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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
 Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:14 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
  
 experience here shows sub 50 as a max  - for the price point - it cannot be 
 beat however 
  
  
 On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:
 
 
Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine.  The polling 
 is different than the MIMO technology.  Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 
 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such 
 purposes.  I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 
 clients at 3meg burstable speeds.  I am interested to see how many clients an 
 airmax AP can handle.
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 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
 
 Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual 
 pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 
 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part 
 of it, it wont connect.  Or are you saying that all your clients need to be 
 new with Airmax ability?
  
 
 Steve Barnes
 General Manager
 PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ 
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ 
  
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
 
 From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you 
 make the switch.  I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went 
 from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. 
  Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like 
 Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in 
 your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's 
 just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik 
 equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity.  Oh and you're 
 right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with 
 non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax 
 running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on 
 that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but 
 worth it.
 
 Forbes Mercy
 Washington Broadband
 
 On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: 
 All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT.   I have a 
 AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns.  
 They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g.  This is a tower that due to 
 contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment.  So I am considering 
 taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket 
 and Airmax 120 sector.  It will take time to physically switch all my clients 
 to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow 
 flies.  
  
 Has anyone down this?  Success?  I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone 
 is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on?
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Taking Mikrotik down

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
On your ubnt equipment - did you enable stp  ?
using a syslog -?  might show a good amount of info if so 
On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:

 Brett, I'm impressed with your knowledge of Mikrotik programming so I 
 wanted to ask you this.  Last week and further back about four times a 
 week we had a cascading crash of our bridged network whereas the LAN 
 side of the Mikrotik Backhauls would crash presumably from traffic.  
 Wireshark showed some anomalies such as IPv6 traffic, some ICMP sneaking 
 through the filters, a random STP Cisco and some TCP flooding but really 
 nothing that should take down so many radios, a simple reboot fixed the 
 problem and it didn't happen again for a day to several days later.
 
 Friday we changed out three Mikrotik backhauls and AP's with Ubiquity 
 gear and upgraded our Bandwidth manager enhancing its rules as well.  
 Today we're having the same attack as before but now it's not taking 
 down the system, Our bandwidth monitor is pegged on incoming traffic and 
 outgoing traffic at 176% of normal (we normally peak at 99% download 30% 
 up) but no radio's are going down, our system latency at the affected 
 tower is 300ms and we're getting intermittent down alarms.  Its great 
 because we have the first chance to go customer by customer trying to 
 find the source but I guess I'm asking if you have any ideas how to find 
 or filter this problem?  We think the source is comin
 
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Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone 
will correct me if I am wrong. 
If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 

5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however 

My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 
900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt 
you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 

5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. 

setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the 
end - would allow you the most flexibility 


On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote:

 om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles 
 away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will 
 likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg 
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Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
I have not seen mesh done on the cheap however 
but open to some ideas for sure

On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:

 Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The towers feeding the 
 town from both sides, and a mesh through out town?
 
 Greg
 
 On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Nick White wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have 
 two towers, one is North, 10 miles from the town, the other is East, 11 
 miles from the town. This town is heavily covered by trees. Most 
 customers thus far have no LOS to either tower, or are skimming the 
 tops/sides of trees. Fortunately I'm still able to pull off signals in 
 the -62 to -80 RX range, using a NBM2 or NSM2 for CPE and Rocket M2 for 
 AP. My RX signals at the AP are -69 to -84.
 
 I have the possibility to put repeater APs on a radio station tower that 
 is about 2 blocks from the middle of town - approximately 50' off the 
 ground. From this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles 
 away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will 
 likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg 
 sectors.
 
 Noise levels vary, but there is DSL in town, so a lot of people have 
 wireless APs in-house. My worst noise level on a customer is -83, but 
 they're using a NSM2 instead of NBM2. The customers with NBM2 are 
 typically -100 to -104 noise.
 
 Right now I'm just looking for other's input on these kinds of repeater 
 situations? Experience with trees? What signal levels through trees, 
 under 1 mile distance? How about 5.8Ghz or 3.65Ghz? How about CCQ with 
 trees? I would like to ultimately be able to provide 10+Mbps burstable 
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Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
Is there a way to do openmesh without having to give them revenue?


On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

 how about Ubiquti with Openmesh

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Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
I can ask our licensing guy - he had seemed for some reason to think this was 
the rule. 

Thanks for the heads up.. worth asking again @ least. 
I have a location I can use it now - (to get to my own home) - we are looking @ 
290 foot - or want to @ least 


Thanks 


On Sep 13, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

 I am unaware of the 99 limit. I actually have a set at 185 ft. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
 
 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - 
 someone will correct me if I am wrong. 
 If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 
 
 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however 
 
 My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 
 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but 
 doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 
 
 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. 
 
 setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the 
 end - would allow you the most flexibility 
 
 
 On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote:
 
 om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles 
 away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will 
 likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
Another option is a simple router - that does vlans - 
vlan to the switch and go from there :-)


On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

 I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network 
 to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business 
 ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic 
 going across the backhauls and reduce the VLAN management required. But 
 I cant find a router that has more than about 6 1000base-T ports so I 
 was thinking a Layer 3 switch that has 1GB of ram might be easier to 
 find. The switch would also have the backplane to handle the traffic.
 
 On 09/08/2010 02:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
 
 
 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net 
 mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote:
 
I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T
ports
with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
suggestions?
 
For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP
connections
to customers from this ring of backhauls.
 
 
 Seems like an interesting combination of things there. If I may ask, 
 why don't you leave the ring stuff and switching to the switches, and 
 routing stuff like BGP to separate routers? It'll probably make things 
 a lot easier to set up, and you'll be free to get the best switches 
 and the best routers for your needs instead of trying to find 
 something that's only so-so at either task.
 
 (Not intended as criticism, I'm actually kinda curious about this 
 network layout.)
 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
You could simply build a pfsense and/or a vyatta router with an alix board and 
a few nics - 
Let me do a few searches - and will let you know what I find 

On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

 Cisco and Juniper are both failing to have a reasonable product. 
 $60,000+ is a bit too expensive.
 
 On 09/08/2010 03:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
   It also adds points of failure, increases power consumption, etc.
 
 I'm sure Cisco or Juniper could handle it, but I'm not sure whom else.
 Maybe a PowerRouter?
 
 -
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 On 9/8/2010 5:17 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
 
 Yeah that is an option, but increases the management overhead which is
 one of the primary things I am trying to reduce.
 
 On 09/08/2010 03:13 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
 
 Another option is a simple router - that does vlans -
 vlan to the switch and go from there :-)
 
 
 On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
 
 
 I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network
 to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business
 ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic
 going across the backhauls and reduce the VLAN management required. But
 I cant find a router that has more than about 6 1000base-T ports so I
 was thinking a Layer 3 switch that has 1GB of ram might be easier to
 find. The switch would also have the backplane to handle the traffic.
 
 On 09/08/2010 02:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
 
 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins
 m...@smarterbroadband.netmailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net
 mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net   wrote:
 
 I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T
 ports
 with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
 suggestions?
 
 For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
 support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP
 connections
 to customers from this ring of backhauls.
 
 
 Seems like an interesting combination of things there. If I may ask,
 why don't you leave the ring stuff and switching to the switches, and
 routing stuff like BGP to separate routers? It'll probably make things
 a lot easier to set up, and you'll be free to get the best switches
 and the best routers for your needs instead of trying to find
 something that's only so-so at either task.
 
 (Not intended as criticism, I'm actually kinda curious about this
 network layout.)
 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work - 
pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price) 

:-)


On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

 Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
 
 There is nothing on the market place that is affordable  that will do 
 what you are looking for.
 
 Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your 
 favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
 
 For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a 
 G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used 
 market place.
 
 In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on 
 the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
 
 You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
 
 Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power... 
 Everything else is big and consumes power.
 
 Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches 
 in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers 
 located at DataCenters or NOC...
 
 
 If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for, 
 please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am 
 sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
 
 Regards.
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
 Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3 
 switches...
 You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
 RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
 greater you aren't going to find that.
 
 The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
 should be able to get it for $30-50K.
 
 Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
 known to do.
 Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
 the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
 reflector to the customer and vice versa.
 Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
 router/route reflector.
 
 Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
 the most straightforward solution to me.
 
 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt Jenkinsm...@smarterbroadband.net  
 wrote:
 I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
 with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
 suggestions?
 
 For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
 support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
 to customers from this ring of backhauls.
 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
Is this going on a stick on in a building.

We have an opensource Vyatta running circles around the old Vax 7200 stuff 

GigE even is not an issue - but used a Dell R300 with 8GB ram to do it. 
Still much cheaper than most anything else on the planet for the same config 


On Sep 8, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

 e sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of 
 traffic...  100meg no problem.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Charging for business setup

2010-08-30 Thread Glenn Kelley
It really depends upon the service. 

Are they purchasing cable modem / dsl or fiber / t1(+/1) service 

The prices quoted by Robert here are true for cable modem stuff   DSL 

T1 installs can - depending upon location go over 1K 
Fiber can be around $2K from Time Warner depending on location 

ALSO -  keep in mind the length of the contract. 

a 1 year term vs a 5 year term the install fees on Fiber and/or cable modem 
from Time Warner are very different. 

So - best to ask them for right of first refusal on the bid and outbid but dont 
under 


Blessings, 

On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Robert West wrote:

 Time Warner charges for a business install and the amount depends on the
 salesperson but I've seen 200 bucks being the average.
 
 ATT doesn't charge for install here but you have to purchase your modem from
 them and way above the normal cost.  
 
 
 
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  Do Comcast, ATT, etc. charge for setup\install on business lines?  I 
 got MRCs off their web sites, but not NRCs.
 
 I have an MTU project I'm looking at and want to be competitive, but not 
 give away the farm.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Funny Website Error

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Glenn Kelley
they will give it to you with much less than 75mbps 

best just to ask them :-)


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 On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote:
 
 I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they 
 also told me 75mbps was the magic number.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors

2010-08-30 Thread Glenn Kelley
yup   5ghz and trees don't tend to work well together... 

5ghz is a pure LOS in most situations - especially w/ UBNT stuff

On Aug 30, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Robert West wrote:

 Have LOTS of them, both the larger And smaller ones.  Work great at line of
 site but they don't have much penetration of obstacles at all.
 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-08-30 Thread Glenn Kelley
I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps

I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps

So - just ask 

Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would 
not believe. 


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 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+.  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

2010-08-30 Thread Glenn Kelley
ROFL 

thanks for making my night Mike... 

4 inches 

ROFL 


On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  Ubiquiti M won't do 100 megs full duplex at 4 inches.  It just can't 
 go that fast.
 
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 On 8/30/2010 8:40 PM, Robert West wrote:
 Sadly no.  At half that distance, yes.
 
 
 
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 Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:48 PM
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   Ubiquiti M won't do what he's asking, at least not with a single link.
 
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 On 8/30/2010 6:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
 
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 Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would
 you
 use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M
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 I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
 them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
 impedance is not the right one.
 
 Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the
 same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
 impedance the RX card would show to the TX card
 
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[WISPA] solar power setup

2010-08-30 Thread Glenn Kelley
I am looking for a shopping list to build for the following setup:

I need to create a solar power setup for a remote location

The location will be running two Ubiqutiy 5ghz radios - not much. 

I would like to have enough battery power to last say 4 days w/ the system not 
having any sun - but I could live with 48 hours ... 

Does anyone have a good source for inexpensive (but good) solar panels? 

and perhaps a good shopping list for this project. 

my first time getting into the solar stuff... 

I moved about 8 miles out of town and need to setup a point to point w/ a hop 
in between to the house 
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

2010-08-27 Thread Glenn Kelley
Time to choose a new colo center then. 
I have some stuff in various dc's and can get well over 100mbps from them if 
needed. 


On Aug 27, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Matt wrote:

 I was primarily thinking along the lines of how much bandwidth you
 could truly route into then out of such a setup. I had a co-lo's where
 I could push 100mb/s out, but barely 20mb/s in, because they sold most
 of the inbound off to ISPs in the area and they were pretty much at
 saturation.
 
 We have one server in a colocation center.  When I run iperf tests to
 it with one of our DS3's it always maxes out the DS3.  I imagine it
 depends on the quality of your colocation center.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Glenn Kelley
I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29  

a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more friendly 
Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on 
your equipment this may not be possible) 

nat on nat on Nat is really stinky 


On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 They are natting three times at the customer site?!  Get them closer
 to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing
 hell.
 
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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote:
 Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright.
 I had trouble with understanding them.
 
 Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the
 main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
 
 Martha
 
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 On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 
 What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing
 voice, no dial tone.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote:
 
 hi all,
 
 We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
 somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
 Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
 follows:
 
 Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is
 connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the
 Vonage box.
 
 I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has
 a better understanding of this.
 
 Thanks
 
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Glenn Kelley
I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters. 

Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients 

On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 ALL VOIP Adapters  Phones, Do not like Double Natting
 
 Absolutely not true.  I personally have many SPA2100 (same thing as
 spa2102 or pap2t-na in this discussion) that go:
 
 Public ip - IS Rebel, nat 1 - customer radio, nat 2 - customer soho
 router, nat 3 - ATA
 
 It is more dependent on your voice gateway then it is the ATA, in my
 experience.  Asterisk wouldn't work at all.  Genband has been flawless
 since July 2006.  The phone room has a dozen of these little adapters
 and we've never had problems with them, only issue was a customer had
 some cheap phone and needed to replace it.
 
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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
 I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29
 a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more
 friendly
 Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on
 your equipment this may not be possible)
 nat on nat on Nat is really stinky
 
 On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 They are natting three times at the customer site?!  Get them closer
 to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing
 hell.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net
 wrote:
 
 Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright.
 
 I had trouble with understanding them.
 
 Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the
 
 main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
 
 Martha
 
 Martha Huizenga
 
 DC Access, LLC
 
 202-546-5898
 
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 Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter
 
 On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 
 What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing
 
 voice, no dial tone.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote:
 
 hi all,
 
 We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
 
 somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
 
 Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
 
 follows:
 
 Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is
 
 connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the
 
 Vonage box.
 
 I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has
 
 a better understanding of this.
 
 Thanks
 
 Martha
 
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Re: [WISPA] Longview TX

2010-08-17 Thread Glenn Kelley
Blake -  i love it 

are they looking for a wire - or  what 

ha ha -  


you must have seen the many many slams on this list before 

:-) 

funny how little things make my day 

On Aug 17, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:

 Got a call from a business needing service in Longview TX.
 
 I have no idea about how much bandwidth, but I will pass on the
 info to anyone that can help them out.
 
 And before the 2404850834845 questions start, I am posting this to the 
 WIRELESS INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS mailing list.  That would insinuate that 
 they are wanting WIRELESS INTERNET.
 
 I know not where in Longview - all I have is the name and the
 phone number.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - IP addressing question

2010-08-11 Thread Glenn Kelley
Jason - chances are they may be unable to peer w/ BGP depending upon who their 
provider is and what they have contracted for. 
You want someone that can push your own BGP route - and you want the ability to 
control your own destiny. 

BGP is not that difficult - give me a hollar off list - and I can check the 
provider your looking into - give you a hint on how to check their connectivity 
etc 
When a provider tells you - we cannot do BGP - it is a huge red flag. 

I know of a provider that gives fiber to office buildings in the city - limits 
them to say 10mbps on a port
and their head end is 5 docsis cable modems from Comcast

Speed is there - but their provider Comcast did not allow BGP on a cable modem. 

So - it hurts not knowing the other side of the connection sometimes


Glenn 


On Aug 11, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:

 Provider is solid – but just getting into the actual providing of Internet 
 connectivity (to this point they have just done fiber transport).  I have a 
 feeling that by the time we actually switch they will have BGP capability 
 (we’re 6 months out right now) – just trying to figure out if I’m able to 
 advertise my blocks on my own without BGP at all, or, if I need to use BGP to 
 advertise them and it just pass on through my upstream.  I’m by far not the 
 most familiar with how BGP works.  I’ll probably just do a whole lot of 
 reading on BGP over the next month or so and get more familiar with it.  My 
 current provider just walked me through the config so it was pretty easy J.
  
 Thanks!
  
  
  
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The provider does not do BGP?  That doesn’t sound like a provider I would 
 not want to do business with.
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 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Slightly OT - IP addressing question
 
 I've got my own ARIN block and right now I'm peered with my upstream running
 BGP (single-homed).  I'm looking at changing providers but the company I'm
 looking at does not do BGP.  I'm a little in the dark on route
 advertisements, etc, and I don't understand how my block will be accessible
 if I'm not running BGP with another provider.  I have to give ARIN my peers
 ASNs if I remember right, so what happens if I move to someone that possibly
 doesn't even have an ASN? Is there some documentation somewhere on this or
 someone who can help me out a little bit?  
 
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Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP

2010-08-09 Thread Glenn Kelley
Here is a simple solution for UBNT Reboots 

Turn on the SSH Port - 
then simply assign a username/password to the unit (which you technically 
already have of course since you have an admin user) 
Then run a script to go out and poll systems w/ the command reboot 

pretty simple 


reboot -y 

a simple linux box running a shell command on cron can reset tons of radios for 
you :-)


On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:48 AM, Robert West wrote:

 I hear ya, my brother.  Had 2 Bullet M5’s “Stop” this week.  Had to go out to 
 do a simple reboot.  The magic reboot fixed all.  I wish the UBNT firmware 
 had a reboot at “X” day or time function.  I’d certainly use it.
  
 Me-
  
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 We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and 
 other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links.  The issues we are finding is that the dang 
 things just stop.  The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the 
 unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution.   
  
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 You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that 
 is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL!
 
 On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com 
 wrote:
 But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance.  Where is the
 fun in all of that?
 
 I desire a product that demands constant attention.
 
 -Albert
 
 
 
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 Mikrotik :)
 
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Glenn Kelley
/I think when you become a member of Wispa you should be sent a TShirt that 
says 

Friends don't let Friends bridge networks 

;-)
On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:

  Forbes,
 
 I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share the 
 Wireshark you learned from Brett?
 
 Ron Wallace 
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 
 
 Phone: (517)547-8410 
 Mobile: (517)270-2410 
 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
 rwall...@tigernet.bz
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
 
 Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate 
 individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too 
 late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. 
 As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but 
 the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I 
 missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me 
 tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is 
 being in WISPA. Forbes 
 
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Glenn Kelley
That is about the best way to do it. 
Biggest thing is to find which tower its happening on. 

If you have the ability to subnet / segment towers into different ranges - This 
helps a great deal. 

In short - you can have each sector or backhaul to other towers on their own 
segment - so the entire network does not go down but rather 1 leg. 
If your using a good switch - enable STP (Spanning Tree Protocol) and voila - 
the rest of your network is saved. 

NOW ... IMPORTANT ... 

If your equipment (and UBNT Does) all supports STP - turn it on. 

If you have a few legs to the network all under 1 segment - (ie - you use a 
backhaul to a remote location and then tree out from there) one section or 
branch of the tree might shut off - but everyone else would stay live. 
Really handy on a long summer weekend for sure. 

It simply tells you what direction to head

:-)


On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote:

 Ron,
 
 I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or 
 just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I 
 went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.  
 Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred 
 immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the 
 Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem 
 gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those 
 guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right 
 on!
 
 Forbes
 
 On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:
 
  Forbes,
 
 I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share 
 the Wireshark you learned from Brett?
 
 Ron Wallace 
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 
 
 Phone: (517)547-8410 
 Mobile: (517)270-2410 
 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
 rwall...@tigernet.bz
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
 
 Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to 
 isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, 
 it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the 
 system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe 
 not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest 
 priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of 
 you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how 
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Glenn Kelley
We have had some get water in them - interestingly enough it seems like it is 
always from the antenna cable
the Ubiquity unit itself seems rock solid. 

Turn on STP everywhere and no worries :-)   


On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

 Forbes,
  
 Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the 
 list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole 
 network. If this is the case I’ll factor that in when I consider deploying 
 UBNT or not.
  
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
  
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!
  
 Ron,
 
 I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or 
 just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I 
 went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.  
 Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred 
 immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the 
 Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem 
 gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those 
 guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right 
 on!
 
 Forbes
 
 On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:
  Forbes,
 
 I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share the 
 Wireshark you learned from Brett?
 
 Ron Wallace 
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 
 
 Phone: (517)547-8410 
 Mobile: (517)270-2410 
 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
 rwall...@tigernet.bz
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
 
 Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate 
 individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too 
 late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. 
 As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but 
 the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I 
 missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me 
 tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is 
 being in WISPA. Forbes 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Lightning AGAIN

2010-08-06 Thread Glenn Kelley
For the router ... I can suggest a quick solution, 

PFSENSE  - or Vyatta. 

Best part - both are 100% FREE 

Replacing a computer much of the time is much cheaper than a router... 
AND - these do a much better job for sure. 



On Aug 6, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

 For the second week in a row lightning has got me. This time it was my
 main tower taking out my core cisco router, switch, AP. My luck is
 great. Maybe it's time to look at something besides cisco.
 
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

2010-08-03 Thread Glenn Kelley
 than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the
 doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get 
 my bill down
 to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I
 would have had to pay the full $5000 or $1 deductable. So in this case
 it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the
 doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor.
 My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian,
 paying cash, I walked away with about a 50% dicount. As we get older, I'll
 probably consider getting insurance as age typically means more 
 trips to the
 doc. and on average it will become cheaper to pay the insurance bills than
 to fund it in cash. I don't know what age that will be, but I'll keep you
 guys posted...
 
 Cameron
 
 On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 How do you negotiate that? I've tried and they same we pay their
 standard rate. After moving back to health insurance, we always see a
 discount, especially on in network doctors.
 
 On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:
 We are cash pay.   Regular DR visits are half of what the
 quoted rate is.
 
 Hospital is pretty much the same way.
 
 
 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
 
 
 That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such...
 Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance
 company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a
 reasonable bill..
 more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer..
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 
 On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
 I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill
 for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time.
 When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of
 the amount the bill was for.
 
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Re: [WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
Jeremie

there are a few ways to investigate a suspect DOS attack.
First and foremost you want to take a peek at your incoming connections.  

Do you see a large influx of incoming traffic? 
If so - are you able to identify where it is coming from?

Chances are if you know where it is coming from you can simply ask your 
provider to null route the traffic ahead of you.


Commands like netstat -na  can be a great friend in these cases if you have the 
ability to place something in between the connections. 

I personally love PFSense for this reason.   PFSense can operate as a 
transparent firewall (and many other things... )   But for Free - it is an 
excellent tool -  loads on virtually any x86 system with 2 NIC cards. 

Anyhow - Folks that do Dos  or DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) generally 
attack port 80 as well as mail ports. 
Many WISPs will keep port 80 open to the general public so they can reach the 
radio's configuration windows. 

While it is not something I would suggest - for a variety of reasons - chances 
are the port 80 of a customers radio is what is getting wacked. 

Generally dDos come in as udp packets to other ports - simply because of how 
UDP works - it does not cause them as much of an issue as it would you.   

So - a few commands might help here. 

netstat -lpn | grep :80 | awk '{print $5}'|cut -d: -f 1|sort|uniq -c|sort -nk 1


you can change the 80 above to any port you wish such as 25 for smtp, 53 for 
dns/named , etc etc etc... 

This should show you the # of connections from a specific IP. 
If you have a small # of connections from very large numbers of IP addresses - 
then chances are you might be under DDOS. 

If there are a very large # of connections from just a few ip's than it should 
be simple enough to ask the ISP to block or null route those IP addresses. 

One last note - 

You might want to check the IP's against nslookup or use the DNSStuff.com 
toolset. 
I have helped a few through these over the years and when they block the DNS 
servers many folks use like 208.67.222.222 or 8.8.8.8 it really stinks for 
folks... for sure. 

So you want to make sure you are blocking the right thing of course. 

Are you running anything like NTOP ?  There are a few simple things to have in 
place to watch incoming traffic when needed vs hoping that it goes away... 

Kick back to me if your lost - and we can go off list for some help 

Glenn 



On Aug 2, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

 I noticed on Friday that everything I had seemed very slow. I went through 
 checking the usual things and found no problem.  After digging into 
 everything I could put my hands on, I resorted to calling my upstream to see 
 if they noticed any problems.  They of course said no.  At 430 that afternoon 
 I got a call from one of their engineers stating that they had experienced 
 a DOS attack that was affecting certain customers.  They made some changes 
 and it actually seemed to work better than before.  Even my latency times had 
 dropped.  Today the problem seems to be creeping back to the same way it was 
 Friday.  My question is, is there a way to determine in the future that this 
 is happening.  Is there something specific that would lead me to the 
 conclusion that in fact that is what is going on.  
 
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
This could be a huge advantage to you.

Walk with me a second... or two. 

If a client wishes a Dedicated IP address that works for services such as 
Gaming, VPN, etc. 
Then let them pay a little extra for it. 

I see this as a natural money maker myself. 

-- glenn

On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote:

 Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who
 is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network?
 
 On 8/2/10, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you
 about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being
 behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers.
 From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play
 (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing
 masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device?
 Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them
 worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do
 a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that
 not work because of the double-NAT?
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
or do 1 to 1 nat 

On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy wrote:

 I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my 
 own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. 
 For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 1024 
 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone else.
 
 In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you are 
 doing NAT.
 
 --
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 Network Engineer
 Omnicity, Inc.
 
 
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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
 
 Man that sucks.  We turn off upnp on ALL routers.  I've always been told
 that it's a big security hole.
 
 Thoughts on that?
 marlon
 
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 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
 
 
 I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
 
 When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
 it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
 gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp.  Even
 this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict
 (I think it's called open?).
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you
 about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being
 behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other
 servers.
 From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play
 (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing
 masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that
 device?
 Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them
 worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then
 do
 a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does
 that
 not work because of the double-NAT?
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
Time Warner is about $15 

In this neck of the woods there are not that many providers -   you going 
elsewhere would necessitate you either going into business for yourself or 
moving to Sneaker Net ;-)


On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Around here everyone charges 15 for a static.
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2010 7:29 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:
 
 And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would 
 find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.
 
 John
 
 Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 
 Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the 
 customer is Im gonna...
 
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 To: WISPA Gener...
 
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
 
 
 
  Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Generators

2010-07-29 Thread Glenn Kelley
Stick with Kohler. 

There are tons of brands - however...  The Sine wave that is produced buy 
others will absolutely kill your UPS's 
Take it from someone that has learned the hard way. 

Cat has some higher end that work very well - as well.   Kohler does much of 
what the PMG will do for you naturally. 
Also 

OVERSIZE...  

Our needs are 60 - so we went with 130KW. 

Gruber Power will spec everything for you out at no cost.then use that to 
shop around :-)




On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

 Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator.  Looking for probably 30-45kW.  
 I’ve heard people say  I need a PMG Exciter??  Anyone with experience in 
 doing this?   It’s to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS’s 
 and PDU’s, and Cooling.  I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and 
 elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out 
 everything they needed and can share?
  
 Regards,
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Re: [WISPA] Generators

2010-07-29 Thread Glenn Kelley
You could also simply use both. 
there are kits to allow either/or for most genset's 


On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Paul Gerstenberger wrote:

 Ours is a 35kW from Cummins Power Generation. We chose to run ours on propane 
 so as to require little maintenance and full independence from other 
 utilities (Natural Gas). We sized our tank so as to have plenty of runtime 
 and the propane co is just down the road in case we need an emergency fill.
 
 -Paul
 
 On Jul 29, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
 
 Stick with Kohler. 
 
 There are tons of brands - however...  The Sine wave that is produced buy 
 others will absolutely kill your UPS's 
 Take it from someone that has learned the hard way. 
 
 Cat has some higher end that work very well - as well.   Kohler does much of 
 what the PMG will do for you naturally. 
 Also 
 
 OVERSIZE...  
 
 Our needs are 60 - so we went with 130KW. 
 
 Gruber Power will spec everything for you out at no cost.then use that 
 to shop around :-)
 
 
 
 
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 Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator.  Looking for probably 30-45kW.  
 I’ve heard people say  I need a PMG Exciter??  Anyone with experience in 
 doing this?   It’s to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS’s 
 and PDU’s, and Cooling.  I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and 
 elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out 
 everything they needed and can share?
 
 Regards,
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 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread Glenn Kelley
distance? 


On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:

 Gentlemen,
 
 I need opinions...
 
 We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
 event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
 locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.
 
 Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or
 bad?
 
 Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem.
 
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing how much 
more ram you can get on those suckers 



On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:

 Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the Broadcom
 based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've seen, but the newer
 versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.  DD-WRT is cool on Broadcom but
 all the Atheros chips seem to throw it into crazy land.  Love those older
 WRT54G routers with the big as hell flash.  Still going strong.
 
 Bob-
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
 
 Which package were you running? There's a number of different variations
 which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the full blown
 packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn off what ever
 services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you need the just basic
 functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic and solid. The QOS is
 decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt). The versions that have
 everything including the kitchen sink scare me (the chances of problems and
 errors rise exponentially as the code bloats).
 
 Greg
 
 On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:
 
 My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to 
 overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
 anymore.
 
 Bob-
 
 
 
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 On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
 
 got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a 
 consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but 
 sounds like more work than it needs to be.
 
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 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
 
 Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the 
 only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
 
 What's the benefits? 
 What's the down falls?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

2010-07-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
Rick - In the end I agree with you.


On Jul 13, 2010, at 11:52 AM, RickG wrote:

 You beat me to it Mark. In the end, history will show that the free
 government money attitude is what was at the root of our country's
 downfall. Most  WISP's are built on independance. We should fight
 against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful programs. I
 think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as
 well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example?
 
 On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off money
 for nuttin?
 
 ++
 Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
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 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
 
 That was my question.
 
 I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers
 around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them VOIP
 and Internet...
 
 - but then again I guess we all would
 
 Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we should -
 when we can service so many more.
 
 
 On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
 
  WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to broadband?
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Glenn Kelley
i have seen this as well on the linksys hardware - but then again what good is 
linksys hardware?
doorstops maybe. 

Trendnet, Netgear and others seem to have them beat... 

I was hoping when Cisco made the purchase they would get better... 
alas - time to stop holding my breath. 


Bob - SOHO on what ubnt units? 
On Jul 12, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Robert West wrote:

 My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to overheat or
 lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good anymore.
 
 Bob-
 
 
 
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 Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
 
 got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a consumer
 grade hardware and put some other software on them, but sounds like more
 work than it needs to be.  
 
 ---
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 Training - Author of Learn RouterOS
 
 
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 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
 
 Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the
 only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
 
 What's the benefits? 
 What's the down falls?
 
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[WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

2010-07-12 Thread Glenn Kelley
Yeah - Imagine that.$17,763 per line!I wish I had their grant writer on 
staff !

Via:  
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/rural-telco-serves-17-people-rakes-in-300k-of-your-money.ars
 



ATT was insanely profitable in 2009, with $34.4 billion in revenue and $12.5 
billion in net income. The company even returned most of this cash ($9.7 
billion) to investors as dividends. So why did the US government direct $435 
million into the company's coffers?

Thank (or blame) the Universal Service Fund, which last year collected $7.2 
billion dollars from phone companies—charges that are passed on to consumers, 
often as a separate line item on their bills. The money amounts to a 14 percent 
tax on phone service. It pays for four things: telephone service to 
expensive-to-wire places, subsidies for low-income users, computers and 
Internet access for schools, and telecommunications services for rural health 
care providers.

Most of the money goes to install and maintain high-cost phone service, 
usually in rural areas. The House Energy and Commerce Committee is 
investigating the USF, a notorious pit of inefficiency and error—for instance, 
half the high-cost money paid out in 2009, a full $2 billion, went to rate of 
return telcos who are allowed to make an 11.25 percent profit. If they don't, 
the government makes up the difference.

The FCC has now supplied more detailed USF data to Congress. Among the 
revelations: ATT has pulled down more than $1.3 billion in USF money over the 
last three years, while Verizon got $1.2 billion and CenturyTel picked up $930 
million. In return, the companies must provide phone service to anyone in their 
service area who wants it.

Outrageous? Possibly. The program has been a useful one, making telephone 
service in the US truly ubiquitous, but critics have always charged that telcos 
get far too much cash, or got cash for projects they would have done anyway. 
Cecilia Kang at the Washington Post pointed out some of these complaints last 
week.

And the new FCC documents certainly provide fodder for critics.

$17,763 per line

There's the case of Weavtel, a tiny Washington state telco that raked in 
$301,966 in USF money in 2009—all in order to support 17 copper telephone 
lines. That's an average of $17,763 per line.

In 2008, the company was paid $188,382 for the 15 phones lines that it 
serviced, for an average of $12,559 per line.


In 2007, Weavtel supported 14 lines at an average of $16,621 per line.

Ponder these numbers for a moment. The company had already built the local 
exchange infrastructure needed to handle phone calls in 2007, but it still 
received almost $500,000 over the next two years—and it added service to a 
grand total of three lines in that time.

In three years, the $700,000 spent on phone service for these 17 residents 
could have been used instead to simply buy sat phones and satellite 
Internet—and pay for service—for the remote community of Stehekin, a place so 
remote that it is bordered by a national forest and is accessible only by boat.

In 2005, Weavtel tried to begin the project and ran into local opposition from 
Stehekin residents (the Seattle Times ran a nice profile of the town at the 
time, explaining the controversy over the phones). In a letter to residents 
(PDF), Weavtel noted that there is a difference of opinion concerning the 
number of people who want telephone service. It is also clear that some people 
do want service. We have made a business decision that the number of people who 
do want service makes this a viable business opportunity.

Seventeen people paying monthly phone bills isn't much of a business 
opportunity... not unless the government directs a few hundred thousand 
dollars a year toward the project (and lets you run your towers and lines over 
federal parkland, as the company requested). Weavtel, in fact, collected the 
most money per line of any telco in the entire US in 2009.


But still, a case might be made for service to Stehekin, which has never had a 
local exchange. The FCC numbers show, however, that plenty of USF money is also 
being paid out to local telcos in areas that already have plenty of cell phone 
coverage. It's a policy that makes increasingly little sense for a program 
whose basic goal is mere voice connectivity.

Terral Telephone Company serves rural Oklahoma, and in 2009 it took home $1.6 
million in USF money to provide service to 246 lines. That's $6,563 per line, 
per year, one of the highest rates in the country.

Unlike Weavtel, though, Terral's customers have a choice. The FCC points out 
that the company's service area is 100 percent covered by ATT, Sprint, and 
Verizon. T-Mobile has 95 percent coverage. None of these carriers received USF 
high-cost support for this area in 2009.



Reform a-comin'

The FCC hopes to (finally) reform many of the worst elements of the USF system. 
In its National Broadband Plan, the agency argued that rate of return 
carriers 

Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

2010-07-12 Thread Glenn Kelley
That was my question.

I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers around - 
and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them VOIP and 
Internet... 

- but then again I guess we all would 

Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we should - when 
we can service so many more.


On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:

  WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to broadband? 
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Glenn Kelley
interesting ... did not see that yet but peeking now 

On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Robert West wrote:

 The M series firmware has a SOHO router option.
 
 Bob-
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:41 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
 
 i have seen this as well on the linksys hardware - but then again what good
 is linksys hardware?
 doorstops maybe. 
 
 Trendnet, Netgear and others seem to have them beat... 
 
 I was hoping when Cisco made the purchase they would get better... 
 alas - time to stop holding my breath. 
 
 
 Bob - SOHO on what ubnt units? 
 On Jul 12, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Robert West wrote:
 
 My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to 
 overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
 anymore.
 
 Bob-
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
 
 got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a 
 consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but 
 sounds like more work than it needs to be.
 
 ---
 Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- 
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 On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
 
 Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the 
 only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
 
 What's the benefits? 
 What's the down falls?
 
 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
 
 
 
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