Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?
In RouterOS you can disable IPv6 by uninstalling the IPv6 package. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 10/27/2012 10:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: IPv6-only networks aren't far out in ARIN land. Well, unless you like paying out of the nose for third party blocks. I'd say less than 5 years before you cannot obtain an IPv4 address in North America. Complete European and Asian access will require IPv6 soon as they're out of IPv4 already. I don't want to get into a flame war here, but suffice to say that there is an opposing opinion. IPv6 is five years away from mass adoption, but this statement is always true. IPv4 addresses will be used more efficiently. They will be resold. There will be more NAT (which only breaks broken applications). So they will always be available. What has ended is the homestead act era of IPv4. Homesteads were free land given to farmers. When they ran out, farming didn't stop; the land could be resold. Same with IPv4. When it was a free resource, people squandered it. I'm still looking to see how to totally turn off IPv6 in RouterOS, as its being on by default scares me. It's essentially a giant back door used primarily by hackers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:18:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready? I'm fairly sure you can change the binding order to adjust this operation to suite your preference. (which one the computer tried first) I don't see IPv6 utilized in my real world until 5-10 years from now. We do provide some customers v6 routed address space and our entire network is routed and supports it, but thats because people like to play with it because its something new in the networking world they want to understand, not because anyone actually requires it. It does provide a small marketing bonus, for those that don't understand it - sounds good any way lol I see it as somewhat as a liability to my network, since there are sure to be bugs in its implementation and dual stack functionality. Just a fear I have, been there done that with different routing protocols in the past and the programmers have not yet achieved perfection yet :) But, I flex, have to let people have their v6 fun (employees and customers alike...) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
A voltage difference with no load? What's causing the drop? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with no load. Obviously load will have an impact on this. Justin -Original Message- From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question That depends on wire size. That distance is not going to be ethernet so I will assume #12 AWG, 400ft, copper wire, etc. You should be seeing a 5.6% drop under a 1amp load or about 25v under load. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: 27 volts at the base. DC has very little loss over 400-500 foot distances. We are seeing about .1 volt loss on a 400 foot run. -Original Message- From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:16 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:03PM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not saying it's ideal but it works. 27v at the ethernet port or 27v at the base of the tower? -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
That's what I thought... but... he said: We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with no load On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: No current = no voltage drop. Ohms Law. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: The resistance of the length of wire. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: A voltage difference with no load? What's causing the drop? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with no load. Obviously load will have an impact on this. Justin -Original Message- From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question That depends on wire size. That distance is not going to be ethernet so I will assume #12 AWG, 400ft, copper wire, etc. You should be seeing a 5.6% drop under a 1amp load or about 25v under load. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: 27 volts at the base. DC has very little loss over 400-500 foot distances. We are seeing about .1 volt loss on a 400 foot run. -Original Message- From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:16 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:03PM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not saying it's ideal but it works. 27v at the ethernet port or 27v at the base of the tower? -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
Megaohms though, probably 30 MOhms or more. It's negligible. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote: The volt meter is a load, though. On 10/18/2012 2:57 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: No current = no voltage drop. Ohms Law. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: The resistance of the length of wire. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: A voltage difference with no load? What's causing the drop? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with no load. Obviously load will have an impact on this. Justin -Original Message- From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question That depends on wire size. That distance is not going to be ethernet so I will assume #12 AWG, 400ft, copper wire, etc. You should be seeing a 5.6% drop under a 1amp load or about 25v under load. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: 27 volts at the base. DC has very little loss over 400-500 foot distances. We are seeing about .1 volt loss on a 400 foot run. -Original Message- From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:16 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:03PM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not saying it's ideal but it works. 27v at the ethernet port or 27v at the base of the tower? -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v? Greg On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote: Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side, the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the parallel segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop from 12v will be negligible So this is how it would be: 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v batteries connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the parallel segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of the load connected to the charge controller at 24v What do you think? - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8. If it blew up then there was probably a short somewhere. -Kristian On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote: Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right I will check though they swear that they did - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What voltage were the batteries spitting out? They charge at 27v but without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin discharging. If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected wrong, not that the voltage was too high. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: What's your typical config for the NSM5? Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no charger connected just battery) and it fried good - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at 27.6V. The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't power on with 27V. Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage protection until 28V, but we've come across a few odd balls. -Kristian On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged, it's usually 27v. I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: Aha, thanks That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v regulated power - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Yes you will. The batteries will probably be around 27v which Ubnt won't like. You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the batteries to 24v. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: Need help, I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply. Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that it requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v, do I need a DC to DC converter? Best regards, - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
OK, I asked about the PS2 years back and I believe I was told 30v for that. Greg On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: II was told NO!! 27VDC ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question ** ** Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v? ** ** Greg On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side, the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the parallel segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop from 12v will be negligible So this is how it would be: 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v batteries connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the parallel segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of the load connected to the charge controller at 24v What do you think? - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8. If it blew up then there was probably a short somewhere. -Kristian On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote: Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right I will check though they swear that they did - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What voltage were the batteries spitting out? They charge at 27v but without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin discharging. If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected wrong, not that the voltage was too high. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: What's your typical config for the NSM5? Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no charger connected just battery) and it fried good - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at 27.6V. The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't power on with 27V. Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage protection until 28V, but we've come across a few odd balls. -Kristian On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged, it's usually 27v. I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: Aha, thanks That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v regulated power - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Yes you will. The batteries will probably be around 27v which Ubnt won't like. You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the batteries to 24v. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: Need help, I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply. Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that it requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v, do I need a DC to DC converter? Best regards, - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com
Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
The problem isn't that you'll completely discharge the part of the bank you're pulling 12v off of, but rather if you discharge the bank unevenly and charge the entire bank in series then you're either overcharging the part you're not pulling 12v off of in order to properly charge the part you are pulling 12v off of -or- you're going to undercharge the part where you are pulling off 12v if you properly charge the part of the bank where you are aren't pulling 12v off. There's just no way around that. Swapping which part of the bank you're using to pull off the 12v will help but you'll want to swap much more frequently thank bi-anullay. You'll want to swap at least once a month. If you only need 8W of power, then if you use a 24v to 12v regulator that's 90% efficient or better the losses will be negligible. Greg On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Greg, I can see how putting load on just one part of the battery bank could cause issues but this load is quite small compared to the total battery capacity. I will be putting only 8w on two 150Ah 12v batteries (3600Wh total capacity). It would take 400 hours to deplete the battery bank with this load only, do you still think this will be a problem? If this will be a problem I could have the load moved from one bank to the other at a scheduled maintenance visit say twice a year. I really appreciate the advice. Regards, - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: My two cents: If you discharge part of your battery bank unevenly (pull off just half of your 24v bank to get 12v for some loads) you will have trouble with part of the bank getting over charged and part of the bank not getting charged enough. If you were charging the bank with an AC charger that charges each battery individually according to it's needs that wouldn't be a problem. But if you're charging the entire bank with a single device that charges the entire string in series like a 24v solar charger that is not a good way to go. You'd be better off with a 24v to 12v regulator. Greg On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.comwrote: It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the parallel segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop from 12v will be negligible So this is how it would be: 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v batteries connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the parallel segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of the load connected to the charge controller at 24v What do you think? - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
My two cents: If you discharge part of your battery bank unevenly (pull off just half of your 24v bank to get 12v for some loads) you will have trouble with part of the bank getting over charged and part of the bank not getting charged enough. If you were charging the bank with an AC charger that charges each battery individually according to it's needs that wouldn't be a problem. But if you're charging the entire bank with a single device that charges the entire string in series like a 24v solar charger that is not a good way to go. You'd be better off with a 24v to 12v regulator. Greg On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the parallel segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop from 12v will be negligible So this is how it would be: 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v batteries connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the parallel segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of the load connected to the charge controller at 24v What do you think? - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote: Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8. If it blew up then there was probably a short somewhere. -Kristian On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote: Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right I will check though they swear that they did - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What voltage were the batteries spitting out? They charge at 27v but without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin discharging. If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected wrong, not that the voltage was too high. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.comwrote: What's your typical config for the NSM5? Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no charger connected just battery) and it fried good - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at 27.6V. The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't power on with 27V. Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage protection until 28V, but we've come across a few odd balls. -Kristian On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged, it's usually 27v. I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.comwrote: Aha, thanks That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v regulated power - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Yes you will. The batteries will probably be around 27v which Ubnt won't like. You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the batteries to 24v. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: Need help, I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply. Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that it requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v, do I need a DC to DC converter? Best regards, - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
I have a PS2 wired to the 12 starting battery of a generator which starts and stops a few times a day with no issues. The PS2 doesn't even reset when the gen starts and the battery pulls down to around 8~9 volts while the starter is cranking. When the gen runs the batt voltage goes to ~14.6. Greg On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: ~12v should be OK by specs, but I've never heard of anyone doing such a low voltage to a Ubnt device. Not sure if no ones tried it or it just ended quickly in failure. Just be aware that 24v and 12v batteries have a higher voltage for charging. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.comwrote: It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the parallel segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop from 12v will be negligible So this is how it would be: 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v batteries connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the parallel segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of the load connected to the charge controller at 24v What do you think? - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote: Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8. If it blew up then there was probably a short somewhere. -Kristian On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote: Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right I will check though they swear that they did - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What voltage were the batteries spitting out? They charge at 27v but without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin discharging. If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected wrong, not that the voltage was too high. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.comwrote: What's your typical config for the NSM5? Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no charger connected just battery) and it fried good - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at 27.6V. The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't power on with 27V. Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage protection until 28V, but we've come across a few odd balls. -Kristian On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged, it's usually 27v. I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.comwrote: Aha, thanks That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v regulated power - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Yes you will. The batteries will probably be around 27v which Ubnt won't like. You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the batteries to 24v. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: Need help, I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply. Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that it requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v, do I need a DC to DC converter? Best regards, - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Can they really do this?
Regarding what you wrote below (I'm assuming you're not copying and pasting another person's question since you didn't indicate it's a quote) if the tenant who deploys rogue countermeasures against other tenant's APs, I'm not sure it's *RF* interference. It's not interfering with the RF signal of the other tenant's APs or clients, it's merely telling the clients to disassociate from the other tenants AP. It's spoofing the other tenant's AP's MAC address, but I'm not sure that qualifies as false identification because it's not spoofing a call sign. It's clearly interfering with the other tenants *COMMUNICATION*. I guess the question would be how the FCC would interpret that. Would it fall under malicious interference? Greg You are aware that the APs that have rogue countermeasures give very granular control, and would allow the tenant deploying rogue countermeasures to whitelist the other tenants' APs. On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: Did any of you read the original posters question? I understand that the technology is out there to squash *ROUGE AP's. * Let me make this a little simpler. Lets' say we have an office building with 6 floors and each floor is leased to a different tenant. Lets say that the tenant on the fourth floor decides he is sick of competing for airwaves for his wireless system and deploys the Cisco or Motorola system and squashes all the other tenants APs. All the other tenants APs now do not work because of the system which has been put in place by the tenant on the fourth floor. Would this be a violation of Part-15 if all the other tenants were to file a formal complaint with the FCC? ** *---Original Message---* *From:* Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com *Date:* 9/22/2012 5:34:47 AM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* [WISPA] Can they really do this? There's a current debate raging right now on the NANOG list about the ins and outs of setting up large temporary networks for things like conventions. This one post caught my attention. Has anyone heard of a WiFi AP that will spoof neighboring networks to intentionally interfere with them, not by occupying/jamming the spectrum in a brute force way, but rather by impersonating the other network and rejecting new associations? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Can they really do this?
I believe the rogue countermeasures *could* be configured to disassociate the other tenant's clients from the other tenant's AP. Greg On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote: That's not how the system works. The other Tenants would still be using their OWN wireless network, only the floor that deployed Cisco WLC would be 'squashing' the rouge AP's from their OWN network. Z On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: Did any of you read the original posters question? I understand that the technology is out there to squash *ROUGE AP's. * Let me make this a little simpler. Lets' say we have an office building with 6 floors and each floor is leased to a different tenant. Lets say that the tenant on the fourth floor decides he is sick of competing for airwaves for his wireless system and deploys the Cisco or Motorola system and squashes all the other tenants APs. All the other tenants APs now do not work because of the system which has been put in place by the tenant on the fourth floor. Would this be a violation of Part-15 if all the other tenants were to file a formal complaint with the FCC? ** *---Original Message---* *From:* Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com *Date:* 9/22/2012 5:34:47 AM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* [WISPA] Can they really do this? There's a current debate raging right now on the NANOG list about the ins and outs of setting up large temporary networks for things like conventions. This one post caught my attention. Has anyone heard of a WiFi AP that will spoof neighboring networks to intentionally interfere with them, not by occupying/jamming the spectrum in a brute force way, but rather by impersonating the other network and rejecting new associations? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Can they really do this?
Obviously the intended/proper use isn't to interfere with other people's legit networks. The intended use is to prevent rogue networks within your own area where you want to maintain network security. So in the case you mention, the proper configuration is to whitelist the other tenants' networks/APs and *not* interfere with their network. A legit use might be to disassociate clients from a rogue AP that is on the channel you're using, which is also using your SSID and is an obvious attempt to lure people to use the rogue network probably for nefarious reasons. Does this not make sense to you or are you trolling? Greg On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote: So in turn, becoming exactly what it's trying to prevent??? A Rogue AP from the viewpoint of the other tenants who are simply trying to do business on a different floor. On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the rogue countermeasures *could* be configured to disassociate the other tenant's clients from the other tenant's AP. Greg On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote: That's not how the system works. The other Tenants would still be using their OWN wireless network, only the floor that deployed Cisco WLC would be 'squashing' the rouge AP's from their OWN network. Z On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: Did any of you read the original posters question? I understand that the technology is out there to squash *ROUGE AP's. * Let me make this a little simpler. Lets' say we have an office building with 6 floors and each floor is leased to a different tenant. Lets say that the tenant on the fourth floor decides he is sick of competing for airwaves for his wireless system and deploys the Cisco or Motorola system and squashes all the other tenants APs. All the other tenants APs now do not work because of the system which has been put in place by the tenant on the fourth floor. Would this be a violation of Part-15 if all the other tenants were to file a formal complaint with the FCC? ** *---Original Message---* *From:* Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com *Date:* 9/22/2012 5:34:47 AM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* [WISPA] Can they really do this? There's a current debate raging right now on the NANOG list about the ins and outs of setting up large temporary networks for things like conventions. This one post caught my attention. Has anyone heard of a WiFi AP that will spoof neighboring networks to intentionally interfere with them, not by occupying/jamming the spectrum in a brute force way, but rather by impersonating the other network and rejecting new associations? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Can they really do this?
Thanks to everyone who replied to this topic! Greg On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Chris Stradtman cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com wrote: This is a common feature available under almost all of the enterprise market APs / wireless switch systems. I would hazard a guess that there are probably several hundred thousand APs in the world that already have this turned on and running. Although I would also guess that in many cases the person operating the wireless devices has no real idea of what it's doing. It's just a knob that turned on because it was there ;-) Chris On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: There's a current debate raging right now on the NANOG list about the ins and outs of setting up large temporary networks for things like conventions. This one post caught my attention. Has anyone heard of a WiFi AP that will spoof neighboring networks to intentionally interfere with them, not by occupying/jamming the spectrum in a brute force way, but rather by impersonating the other network and rejecting new associations? The quote: One of which I forgot to mention. Many of the hotels (I believe all Hilton properties at this time) have sold the facilities space for their wifi network to another company. They CAN'T negotiate it with you, because they don't own it any more. And most of these wifi networks have stealth killers enabled, so that they spoof any other wifi zone they see and send back reject messages to the clients. So you can't run them side by side. Greg ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Zero-Variable Wireless Infrastructure Deployment
I think they mean no variables pertaining to pigtail cables, loose miniPCI cards and other things which can go wrong in the build-it-yourself CPE (antenna, enclosure, cpu, radio card, pigtail, etc.) which can't go wrong with the one piece CPEs because they don't have those components (internal pigtails, cards that could be loose in their sockets etc.). Greg On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** What does *Zero-Variable Wireless Infrastructure Deployment mean* NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: flag.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product.... another router?
Are people going to be able to tolerate the bleeding-edge cycle of bugs/firmware updates that has been the history with their wireless gear? Once again they're breaking new ground, this time with low cost/high pps throughput. Will they be able to make it powerful (rich feature set) *and*easy? It's going to have to be really good to make people switch. Maybe they're going for a niche market of people who want only features relevant to the WISP market (bandwidth management, bandwidth accounting etc, vlans) and not people who want a do-all box like MT which has a lot of features most WISPs probably don't use (BGP and the forwarding protocols come to mind). Greg On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi all I see that Ubiquiti is launching a new product, a router. Well, personally, I do not think that it's a good idea, hard market and I really do not see a real reason why I should buy the Ubiquiti router instead of other well knows products From my perspective the value or a core/edge router is not only in the number of packets, it's more into the number of bugs and instabilities. A new product has less or more bugs/instabilities than others working since years in my network? I am not sure that I want to restart thinking new workarounds for a new brand. Comments? -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Upload and download Shaping in MikroTik radios
The MT wiki has some good info and examples to get you going. There's also MT consultants who hang out on this list who can set it all up for you for a fee. Greg On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net wrote: ** Hi,** Does someone know how to control the upload and download traffic in the MT? I need to shape the traffic to our customers accordingly to the kind of account they are paying for. Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Upload and download Shaping in MikroTik radios
I heard that simple queues are a trickle down list like mangle, and that can lead to folks higher up on the list having an advantage over those further down, and that the tree queue is a more fair system. Maybe that's only a consideration if you have a whole lot of simple queues. Greg On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Matt Brendle mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: ** One way is to set a simple queue. In Winbox go to QueuesSimple Queues and add new simple queue. For name put customer name, for target address put customer’s IP address, then set their upload/download directly below that (Max Limit:) Click Apply and it is set. Of course this is if you are giving all customers a static IP. ** ** -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Eduardo *Sent:* Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:06 AM *To:* **WISPA General List** *Subject:* [WISPA] Upload and download Shaping in MikroTik radios ** ** Hi, Does someone know how to control the upload and download traffic in the MT? I need to shape the traffic to our customers accordingly to the kind of account they are paying for. Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: image001.jpg___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower
The tower is the AM antenna correct? If you ground your gear to the tower, aren't you connecting your gear directly to the antenna? It seems like if to try and avoid RF you connect to the thing that is energized with RF it's a step in the wrong direction. Is the tower a grounded-base or insulated-base (the tower stands on a big insulator). If it's an insulated-base antenna you're definitely not grounding your gear by connecting to the tower since the tower isn't grounded. Greg On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: You'll want to isolate the power with an isocoupler. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Gray brian.g...@joinkllc.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:43:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far as mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for us or the AM tower? How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas? How do I ground my gear? My initial thoughts are: Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower. Run 1 metallic liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200', continue run from enclosure with 1 MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum enclosure run 2 3/4 MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT NB25 to start with) run 3 3/4 MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas (probably UBNT Rocket M2) drill small weep holes in 3/4 runs as they will not be weather tight to radios run shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight. Put 2-3 ferrite cores on the ends of all of the cables. install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and just before router. wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from enclosure to circuit panel No clue on grounding this thing. Thank you in advance! Brian Gray Joink LLC Network Manager 812-231-7087 direct 812-870-3332 mobile Joink Customer Support 1-888-31-JOINK ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower
They do lightning protection with very expensive commercial protectors, and the new solid state transmitters can sense the condition and momentarily shut down while the protector is doing it's thing which is basically becoming a short-circuit to pass the energy to ground, otherwise the transmitter would provide enough power to keep the protector in the fired state, and the transmitter wouldn't be too happy looking into a short-circuit. Greg On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: AFAIK, you bond all metal objects with the tower itself. You aren't going to avoid the RF, so you make peace with it. I am kind of curious, though, how they handle lightning and ESD on a hot tower. They surely have a method because those transmitters aren't throw-away items. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower The tower is the AM antenna correct? If you ground your gear to the tower, aren't you connecting your gear directly to the antenna? It seems like if to try and avoid RF you connect to the thing that is energized with RF it's a step in the wrong direction. Is the tower a grounded-base or insulated-base (the tower stands on a big insulator). If it's an insulated-base antenna you're definitely not grounding your gear by connecting to the tower since the tower isn't grounded. Greg On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: You'll want to isolate the power with an isocoupler. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Gray brian.g...@joinkllc.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:43:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far as mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for us or the AM tower? How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas? How do I ground my gear? My initial thoughts are: Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower. Run 1 metallic liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200', continue run from enclosure with 1 MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum enclosure run 2 3/4 MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT NB25 to start with) run 3 3/4 MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas (probably UBNT Rocket M2) drill small weep holes in 3/4 runs as they will not be weather tight to radios run shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight. Put 2-3 ferrite cores on the ends of all of the cables. install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and just before router. wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from enclosure to circuit panel No clue on grounding this thing. Thank you in advance! Brian Gray Joink LLC Network Manager 812-231-7087 direct 812-870-3332 mobile Joink Customer Support 1-888-31-JOINK ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower
That was my first thought too, the possible pattern change. The antenna might have to be resurveyed after the install. Greg On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:27 AM, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: The station engineer should be the lead information contact. If he is clueless most AM stations have engineering firms on retainer. Adding equipment to certain stations can change the antenna radiation pattern. Obviously the FCC doesn't lie this. ;-) -B- - Reply message - From: Brian Gray brian.g...@joinkllc.com To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:43 pm Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far as mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for us or the AM tower? How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas? How do I ground my gear? My initial thoughts are: Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower. Run 1 metallic liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200', continue run from enclosure with 1 MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum enclosure run 2 3/4 MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT NB25 to start with) run 3 3/4 MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas (probably UBNT Rocket M2) drill small weep holes in 3/4 runs as they will not be weather tight to radios run shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight. Put 2-3 ferrite cores on the ends of all of the cables. install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and just before router. wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from enclosure to circuit panel No clue on grounding this thing. Thank you in advance! Brian Gray Joink LLC Network Manager 812-231-7087 direct 812-870-3332 mobile Joink Customer Support 1-888-31-JOINK ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower
They do lightning protection with very expensive commercial protectors, and the new solid state transmitters can sense the condition and momentarily shut down while the protector is doing it's thing which is basically becoming a short-circuit to pass the energy to ground, otherwise the transmitter would provide enough power to keep the protector in the fired state, and the transmitter wouldn't be too happy looking into a short-circuit. Greg On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: AFAIK, you bond all metal objects with the tower itself. You aren't going to avoid the RF, so you make peace with it. I am kind of curious, though, how they handle lightning and ESD on a hot tower. They surely have a method because those transmitters aren't throw-away items. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower The tower is the AM antenna correct? If you ground your gear to the tower, aren't you connecting your gear directly to the antenna? It seems like if to try and avoid RF you connect to the thing that is energized with RF it's a step in the wrong direction. Is the tower a grounded-base or insulated-base (the tower stands on a big insulator). If it's an insulated-base antenna you're definitely not grounding your gear by connecting to the tower since the tower isn't grounded. Greg On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: You'll want to isolate the power with an isocoupler. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Gray brian.g...@joinkllc.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:43:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far as mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for us or the AM tower? How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas? How do I ground my gear? My initial thoughts are: Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower. Run 1 metallic liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200', continue run from enclosure with 1 MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum enclosure run 2 3/4 MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT NB25 to start with) run 3 3/4 MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas (probably UBNT Rocket M2) drill small weep holes in 3/4 runs as they will not be weather tight to radios run shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight. Put 2-3 ferrite cores on the ends of all of the cables. install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and just before router. wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from enclosure to circuit panel No clue on grounding this thing. Thank you in advance! Brian Gray Joink LLC Network Manager 812-231-7087 direct 812-870-3332 mobile Joink Customer Support 1-888-31-JOINK ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...
I think UBNT approach is very smart - sell the best product they can make as inexpensively as they can. But because it's built in China and UBNT doesn't have the strength of say an Apple Computer to control shenanigans there's a chance they're basically just handing their inner most secrets and details over to the competition, not meaning existing competitors in the market but rather a more nebulous competition, some individual or company which will see an opportunity to start selling a similar product or even worse, selling a counterfeit version of the exact same product. All companies are in a race to the bottom for price. UBNT is well positioned to do well in that race. What I fear most will happen is that UBNT will over-diversify and spread themselves too thin. But since everything they've came out with so far is pretty kick-ass I think they'll do well. Though the handwriting will be on the wall when we start seeing UBNT gear with As Seen on TV! on the package. Greg On Aug 10, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: It's interesting that the stock tanked after they basically met or exceeded street expectations. Hi Greg in some cases, not saying this is the case, it can happen that the more success has a product the faster the company will be out of the market. This can happen in situations where the company has a product that is destroying the market for everybody, itself too. So if a market killer (i.e. a product/service that kills the market) has an unexpected success it can also mean the end of the company. I will do an example: let's say that for the nature of the market, the number of sold items will be 1 million. All companies are selling at 100$ then one company steps in and sells at 10$. The market goes from 100millions to 10 millions so basically if your company can survive with only 10 millions this year that will mean it's nice, but what about next year? If the product is very good and there is no new cool feature next year in the next product, nobody will buy it and next year the market will be around zero. No margin to survive next year in this market Well I hope that is not the case for UBNT let's wait and see :) just my 2 Euro cents Paolo -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...
In the article http://www.thestreet.com/story/11659630/1/ubiquiti-disappoints-nvidia-delights-tech-roundup.html?puc=TSMKTWATCHcm_ven=TSMKTWATCH UBNT management mentions the negative effects of counterfeit UBNT gear on their bottom line. Yikes! Imagine how that's going to effect us! I guess that's what happens when you do business in China. It's interesting that the stock tanked after they basically met or exceeded street expectations. Greg On Aug 9, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: OUCH ! Anyone following this stuff... http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/ubnt -- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...
The market never closes now On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Exactly my thoughts! I sold in May. (Sell in May and go away) and I'm just waiting for the right time to buy a load. Someone explain to me how after hours price drops happen? Isn't the market closed? What drives that? I've never fully understood that part of the market. On Aug 9, 2012, at 18:57, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: If you still have faith in the company, now is a good time to buy down your cost basis. On 08/09/2012 05:44 PM, Doug Clark wrote: Have you ever had 100,000 barrels of oil that you purchased at 110.00 per barrel that you are sitting on and then overnight the price per barrel drops to 75.00 per barrel? ON SALE HUH?? ATT1 *---Original Message---* *From:* Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com *Date:* 8/9/2012 4:45:42 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ... Sweet! It's on sale... On Aug 9, 2012 5:40 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: I just suddenly got very illATT2 *---Original Message---* *From:* Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net *Date:* 8/9/2012 4:31:54 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ... OUCH ! Anyone following this stuff... http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/ubnt -- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...
If there hadn't just been a downward revision of the outlook by the UBNT management I'd be looking for conspiracy theories. Did anybody take a look at the volume was involved in the drop? My guess is the drop is the response of investors who follow the fundamentals and outlook from management. Greg On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: There have been rumors of a stock broker in ?NY? I think possibly manipulating the stock. On Aug 9, 2012, at 19:25, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Could be multiple reasons for such a sharp, instant and unnatural drop. 1. The reason the trade press gives often is not the real reason but a cover story intended for the masses. 2. Manipulating the price of anything these days (stocks, gold, etc.) can and is done by any entity through leveraged, computer-programmed buying and selling. A drop as steep and as sudden as UBNT says that either a) A huge number of holders of the stock all decided to unload it at the very same exact instant (the chances of this are little to none), or b) The price was manipulated downward intentionally. I have no idea who would want to do this, right? UBNT (and the WISP industry) have absolutely no enemies, right? jack On 8/9/2012 4:04 PM, Doug Clark wrote: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-plunges-as-counterfeits-hurt-outlook-2012-08-09 *---Original Message---* *From:* Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com *Date:* 8/9/2012 5:02:32 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ... What news or report caused the sell off ? On Aug 9, 2012 5:57 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: If you still have faith in the company, now is a good time to buy down your cost basis. On 08/09/2012 05:44 PM, Doug Clark wrote: Have you ever had 100,000 barrels of oil that you purchased at 110.00 per barrel that you are sitting on and then overnight the price per barrel drops to 75.00 per barrel? ON SALE HUH?? ATT1 *---Original Message---* *From:* Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com *Date:* 8/9/2012 4:45:42 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ... Sweet! It's on sale... On Aug 9, 2012 5:40 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: I just suddenly got very illATT2 *---Original Message---* *From:* Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net *Date:* 8/9/2012 4:31:54 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ... OUCH ! Anyone following this stuff... http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/ubnt -- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: Suppsupp...@snappydsl.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Picostation 2HP Question
Is airmax on or off? On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: OK Quick question Have a unit new out of the box will not connect to any subs. Set up as an AP, 20 Mhz channel, 2.4 Ghz channel 1. What am I missing??? Any input is appreciated. -B- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Picostation 2HP Question
On the first tab on the left. They should have put it with the other wireless settings. Greg On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: How do I turn off Airmax. I don't see a setting for it - Reply message - From: timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Picostation 2HP Question Date: Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:23 pm Turn AirMax off set to AP WDS On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Is it running Airmax and the old one was a Pico (not M)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: What was the previous ap? --- On *Tue, 8/7/12, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net* wrote: From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Picostation 2HP Question To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 6:58 PM OK Quick question Have a unit new out of the box will not connect to any subs. Set up as an AP, 20 Mhz channel, 2.4 Ghz channel 1. What am I missing??? Any input is appreciated. -B- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 900 AP's and 2.4 AP's
Upconverted? On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Canopy? Next to none. Ubiquiti? Watch out - 900 is downconvertered 2.4 =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:00 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: ** Is there any problem having 900 AP's and 2.4 AP's on the same tower? They will be about 3 foot apart. Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: flag.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] trigger DFS for all your friends
I couldn't see it either. I just get taken to a page with 1 album and 0
pics, and a spinning wheel.
I'm assuming it's a pic of some marginally legal device some ham had for
sale, probably something pulled from scrap or military surplus.
Greg
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Eric Williams {WISP}
w...@williamsteldata.com wrote:
Ralph the link you sent is to a add ? What is the DFS widget ?
Eric Williams {W7EMW}
Williams Tel Data / SDWISP
The man with a secure wireless plan!
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Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:49:56 -0400
From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
Subject: [WISPA] Real World example 5.4GHz RADAR- and YOU can own it
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You come across the weirdest things at a Hamfest!
Now you can trigger DFS for all your friends.
I posted the info about it (minus the owner's info) at
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Re: [WISPA] Power over Ethernet Ubiquiti Radios
A good thing to know about the UBNT gear is if for some reason supplying PoE via the main port stops working, you can supply PoE via the secondary port whether or not the PoE passthrough option is enabled. Greg On May 29, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: Is this on the advanced tab? Also, I was reading where people enabled this and then their radio was bricked?? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of timothy steele Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power over Ethernet Ubiquiti Radios you have to enable POE Pass through in the GUI of the NSM On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net wrote: Our vendor told us that if we purchase the higher watt power adapter that we can use the same power adapter for both our Nanostation and our Pico. Is there a setting in the Nano we need to turn on for the second POE for the Pico? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PicoStation M
That and AirMax got me more than once. I think it would be more intuitive if the AirMax selection box was on the Wireless tab. Greg On May 26, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Carl Shivers wrote: Thanks. The 20 MHz change did the trick. Good thing to remember. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joey Craig Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PicoStation M By default, they come set at 40 MHz. You will need to set it to 20 MHz for your laptop and other equipment to associate to it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Carl Shivers Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PicoStation M On the advice of my vendor, I got a set of UBNT PicoStation Ms. For testing, I turned off AirMax, put the radio in Access Point mode and bridge network. When trying to connect various laptops to the radio, I get immediate failures. It doesn’t matter if I give myself an address on my Wireless adapter or plug the radio into my network, which has a DHCP server, connections still fail. I have no security set for the test. Any suggestions? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor
I use a ControlByWeb X301(two inputs, two outputs) for remote control and monitoring. It can do SNMP as well as email alerts (not via SSL). They have other products that are just monitoring as well but they have multiple inputs. It may be more than you're looking for. However their support is great and their product is solid. http://www.controlbyweb.com/ I am not affiliated or associated with them in any way. I'm just a satisfied customer. Greg On Mar 27, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Troy Settle wrote: We’ve recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet found an affordable solution for monitoring them. Does anyone know of a simple product that will enable me to monitor these things? Everything I’ve found is super expensive. All I really need, is a simple device that can be wired into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch. I’m not (yet) concerned about monitoring other metrics. Thanks, -- Troy Settle, Network Administrator The Wired Road Authority 1117 E. Stuart Dr. Galax, VA 24333 (276) 238-0049 (office) (276) 237-3890 (cell) tset...@thewiredroad.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
Just replace it. It's probably failing. They're a pain when they start failing but when you get a good one they're fine. Greg On Mar 16, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Troy Settle wrote: Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers. One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse). Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without violating code? Thanks, -- Troy Settle, Network Administrator The Wired Road Authority 1117 E. Stuart Dr. Galax, VA 24333 (276) 238-0049 (office) (276) 237-3890 (cell) tset...@thewiredroad.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT
2¢ from the peanut gallery: Build for speed and future growth. Put the best you can up now, save a tower climb later. Greg On Mar 5, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe wrote: Thanks. At what point does it start to affect performance? Ie would there be a difference on a 2mile 20MB back haul with high traffic? Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe AS Technologies Ltd Tel. 234(0)8023258027 -- This e-mail and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain legally privileged, proprietary and/or confidential information. Any use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachments for any purposes that have not been specifically authorized by the sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and permanently delete all copies and attachments. The entire content of this e-mail is for information purposes only and should not be relied upon by the recipient in any way unless otherwise confirmed in writing by way of letter or facsimile -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:30:04 To: aajayi...@as-technologies.comaajayi...@as-technologies.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Hehe. ... The same difference, as the weight difference in weight of 1kg of water vs. 1kg of ice.. :) On a serious note the only difference between the two units , for a short link will be the amount of pps (packet per seconds) the radios can pass... The nano bridge have less memory and a slower CPU (I am going by memory )..Powerbriges have same CPU and memory as the rockets... Faisal On Mar 5, 2012, at 3:33 AM, Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe aajayi...@as-technologies.com wrote: My error. Airmax Nanobridge. --Original Message-- From: Matt Hoppes To: aajayi...@as-technologies.com To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Sent: Mar 5, 2012 9:04 AM What's an airbridge? On Mar 5, 2012, at 1:31, Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe aajayi...@as-technologies.com wrote: What's the difference in performance between a powerbridge and and airbridge on a 2mile 20MB link. Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe AS Technologies Ltd Tel. 234(0)8023258027 -- This e-mail and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain legally privileged, proprietary and/or confidential information. Any use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachments for any purposes that have not been specifically authorized by the sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and permanently delete all copies and attachments. The entire content of this e-mail is for information purposes only and should not be relied upon by the recipient in any way unless otherwise confirmed in writing by way of letter or facsimile ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe AS Technologies Ltd Tel. 234(0)8023258027 -- This e-mail and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain legally privileged, proprietary and/or confidential information. Any use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachments for any purposes that have not been specifically authorized by the sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and permanently delete all copies and attachments. The entire content of this e-mail is for information purposes only and should not be relied upon by the recipient in any way unless otherwise confirmed in writing by way of letter or facsimile ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters
Something I've heard talked about in ham/engineering circles is don't have cable runs that are near a half wavelength or multiple half wavelengths of the frequency that's giving you trouble. It's a last ditch effort but it might be worth thinking about. Ferrites are great. When you put them along the cable again avoid half wave length intervals. You want to do everything to discourage the cable from resonating at the interfering frequency. Greg On Feb 29, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote: This problem is a bitch. We're on a station that's only 20k watts and Ethernet issues are severe. We finally had pretty good luck by moving the radios down and running high grade coax to the antennas. We also run metal shielded cat5 with the proper ends. Finally I installed ferrite beads on both ends of all cat 5 runs. Things are running pretty well now. Turns out that cat5 and fm radio are basically in the same frequency area. My best advice? Go find a different tower to use :-). But it can be done. All electronics in a metal enclosure also. Jumper cat5 also needs to be shielded cable with grounded connectors. Sometimes I put ferrite beads on them as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Tim Warnock tim...@timoid.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters Hi All, I have a question as to how other operators are handling POE radio links and high power FM transmitters. We often see things like a radio will run errors or drop to 10mbps instead of 100mbps until we find a good position on the tower that its happy with. Once its happy we never have an issue again. We've tried earthing, not earthing, STP, UTP. Nothing seems to definitively solve the issue. Does anyone have any advice they'd like to share? It would be muchly appreciated. Thanks Tim ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Excede (viasat-1) Satalitte Internet
I'm not familiar with them but that service has got to have bandwidth caps like DirecWay. Also it's hard to believe that Skype and Vonage would work well because they must be over-sold (high contention ratio) at that price. Greg On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:58 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: Anyone run into Excede (viasat-1) Satalitte Internet? They claim download speeds of 12 Megs and can use Skype and Vonage for $60.00 per month and a $149.95 setup fee. Any Comments? NGL flag.gifIf you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Looking for service in Milwaukie Or.
Dude, That sounds really bad. Maybe you should word that differently? Greg On Feb 22, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote: Hi All, Can anyone service my sister? I'd hate to send her to the cable co or telco. thanks! marlon - Original Message - From: damee...@odessaoffice.com To: o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:58 PM 14332 se cedar ave Milwaukie or 97267. Thanks for your help Sent via BlackBerry by ATT ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers
+1 on getting something that does spectral analysis. Any new neighbors on the tower you're sharing? Any new gear they might have turned up? Greg On Jan 30, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: To me, that really sounds like interference. Don't look at the noise floor. Get a UBNT in spectrum analyzer mode, and let it run for a little bit. I bet you find something bleeding over the frequency. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers Update after more work today. Replaced all the electronics at one end early this morning. No real change. Replace the cable and antenna at that end this afternoon. When we got there the link was running with RSSI of around 67/70 and CCQ in the 50's both ways. Aligned the antenna and I watch the stats for a while while the climber we getting the old antenna off of the tower. Signal strength went to around 57/65 and quality was running in the high 80s to mid 90s. Thought it was fixed. Climber finished attaching new cable to tower as he came down. When He got to the bottom I checked things again. Signals are 67/70 and CCQ is all over the place. I have seen the CCQ jump from 90 to 14 at least once this evening. It didn't drop the link at 14, rather it climbed back up to nearly 80 and then dropped. I am at a complete loss as to what is going on. Oh, the last time I looked, noise floor was around -100 so SNR is running 30 to 40. On 1/29/2012 10:16 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Planned for tomorrow. On 1/29/2012 10:04 PM, Daniel White wrote: Maybe your replacement hardware is bad too. Have you tried another set? Daniel White (303) 746-3590 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers One end is just us and the 4 other links there are fine. The other is is us and at least 2 other WISPS, an FM repeater station, some public service repeaters, some commercial 2-way repeaters and ... Just looking at the tower, I don't think there is anything new, but I will ask the tower owner tomorrow. We changed everything at one end and all but the cable at the other. Other 5GHz links we have for either tower do not show symptoms of interference, but that does not mean that isn't our problem. On 1/28/2012 8:31 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: If you replaced all gear and even tried a different coax in place of the 60' of LMR then it would have to be some kind of noise, coming in via the power lines or radiated. Who else is on the tower? Did you only replace/try different gear on one tower or did you try both ends? Have you done any spectral analysis? Greg On Jan 28, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I have a link that went bonkers last Saturday or Sunday and it has me stumped. RB433AH with XR5 at each end. Signals running around -69/-71. CCQ is the goofy one. Most of the time one direction is in the 50% range, but varies quite a bit. The other direction ranges from 16% to 100%. Generally if I see it getting close to 100% I know the link is going to drop. It comes right back up, usually at about 50%. I have tried 20MHz channels, 10MHz channels, 5MHz channels with about the same results from all. I have tried 5.2-5.3 frequencies and 5.7-5.8 frequencies. The higher frequencies work better, but still not well. All of the hardware except one 60' piece of LMR as been replaced. Ask me some questions and offer some suggestions as this one has me totally stumped. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4772 - Release Date: 01
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers
If you replaced all gear and even tried a different coax in place of the 60' of LMR then it would have to be some kind of noise, coming in via the power lines or radiated. Who else is on the tower? Did you only replace/try different gear on one tower or did you try both ends? Have you done any spectral analysis? Greg On Jan 28, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I have a link that went bonkers last Saturday or Sunday and it has me stumped. RB433AH with XR5 at each end. Signals running around -69/-71. CCQ is the goofy one. Most of the time one direction is in the 50% range, but varies quite a bit. The other direction ranges from 16% to 100%. Generally if I see it getting close to 100% I know the link is going to drop. It comes right back up, usually at about 50%. I have tried 20MHz channels, 10MHz channels, 5MHz channels with about the same results from all. I have tried 5.2-5.3 frequencies and 5.7-5.8 frequencies. The higher frequencies work better, but still not well. All of the hardware except one 60' piece of LMR as been replaced. Ask me some questions and offer some suggestions as this one has me totally stumped. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cordless Phone Ring Interference
Something about the ringing signal sent by the base to the handsets is different. My dad had wireless headphones that received a horrible pop when the cordless phone rang, but there was no interference when talking on the phone. That same phone used to interfere with 2.4 wifi. We switched to dect6 and never had any more problems. Greg On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:03 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Only thing is... he is reporting that the use of the phone does not disconnect service, just the ringer ringing disconnects it. I'm not sure that the Ringer has anything to do with the 2.4Ghz spectrum block. Or I should say, it would not use anymore spectrum ringing than Talking. I'd guess talking would use more, with a constant stream going. Buying a new phone could replicate the ringer problem. I'd first confirm that it is in fact for sure just the ringer causing the problem. Make sure its not a power related thing or something like a radio power supply in same port as phone power supply, causing something to reboot, etc. If your CPE has logs, check them to verify if association was actually lost. Most 2.4G phones that dont have selectable channels usually have sutomatic selecting channels that select channel at a specific step. For example, powering on the unit when the handset is in place, or hitting the find receiver button, when handset is in place, or what ever mechanism it uses. What you want to do is generate wifi noise on your Internet CPE radio or LAN WIFI channels (persistent pings), so that when the phone searches for a channel, it can hear noise on your channels, and can select something different. My advise is to get the model number of phone before going on site, and using Internet to download the manual to review before initiating the tech support insodent with the consumer. Use phone support, to walk the end user through the proceedure of resetting the phone channel. The advantage of attempting a basic fix with the customer involved is that it gives you an opportunity to educate the customer, to possibly avoid future unnecessary tech support calls. Although I would agree that buying the end user a new phone would be more cost effective than timely tech support on the WISP's dollar, I'd argue that WISP offering to pay for the phone would be a mistake, as it sets the presidence that you are willing to pay for things that aren't your problem. The next thing you know you are buying customers new free routers and wifi cards everytime there are unexplained issues with service. What I'd recommend is recommending to the client that they buy a new phone, because phone are cheap, and maybe recommend a better brand. (Once you determine what a better brand is, such as Dect6 ones recommended.). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cordless Phone Ring Interference Definitely DECT phone. Version doesn't matter - it's all in the 1.9 band. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net wrote: I would concur with this too Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: With the price of cordless phones now days and the cost of your customer support time, I would just buy them a new phone. If you get a DECT 6.0 version you are certain not to have problems. Those are used exclusively in the guard bands around the 1800 MHz PCS frequencies and are set aside specifically for cordless phones only. It's also fairly cheap to get a multi extension set. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cordless Phone Ring Interference I have a customer that has determined that every time the phone rings, the Internet goes down. Once the phone is answered, the Internet works. We are using 2.4GHz to the house, with an integrated Arc panel on the roof. The customer has checked and the phone does not have a channel selection button. Anyone have suggestions as to how to get the phone to not kill the wireless link? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...
He joined a mission or a missionary? He got a missionary position? Greg On Nov 29, 2011, at 9:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I heard you left to join a missionary. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 11/29/2011 12:52 PM, Rick Kunze wrote: Or as I like to phrase it: You won't get rich in the WISP business, but it beats working for a living. shrug Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
It might be better to use an even less frequently used block of RFC1918/IANA reserved address space. I'd avoid the ones that most home routers use out-of-the-box which is usually in the 192.168.x.x range. The 10.x.x.x and 172.16.x.x are more virgin territory. Greg On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:28 AM, David Williamson wrote: Yes, it is most likely the LAN subnet on the radio that is causing the problem. Microsoft made 169.254.x.x subnets non-routable beginning with Windows Vista operating system. We had this problem about almost two years ago and once we finally figured it out, we just changed all of our radio LAN subnets from 169.254.1.x to 192.168.10.x subnet and it 100% solved this problem. This problem only exists with firmware 9.5 or higher if memory serves me correctly, because I remember we initially rolled back firmware and it solved the issue “temporarily”, but the long-term fix was to change all the LAN subnets on the NAT’d radios. I hope this helps. Regards, David Williamson Owner Custom Computers Winchester Wireless 2979 Valley Avenue Winchester, VA 22601 http://www.customcomputersva.com http://www.winchesterwireless.com Work 1: 540.722.9688 x223 Work 2: 540-665-0800 x223 Toll Free Fax: 877-765-3700 da...@customcomputersva.com da...@winchesterwireless.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors. At first we thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case. However, not all MS7 users. The setup of all CPE AP devices is the same. We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no affect on the ability to access the net. Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet) rwall...@tigernet.us Phone:517-547-8410 Cel:517-740-0941 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rocket GPS 5.7ghz PtP
For clarity I think your statement needs to be expanded on just to make sure the strong points of GPS isn't lost. For a single AP/PtP/PtMP link that's not geographically close to another AP which could cause mutual interference, performance with GPS on will be less than without GPS. For a situation with multiple APs/PtP/PtMP links geographically close enough to each other so that they would cause mutual interference then performance with GPS on will be better than without GPS. GPS helps in a very specific situation for which it is intended. Does anyone know if enabling GPS on with a solitary MOTO link causes a degradation? It seems like if it's designed and implemented right it wouldn't cause a degradation. Greg On Nov 9, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Below attached email is the closest detailed description of someone running Rocket M with GPS, was posted on WISPA_UBNT list. Folks @ Ubiquity have stated this before... The GPS option is not to get more Performance on a single link... but is to allow radios (AP's) to exist on the same tower or roof top to use overlapping frequencies when pointing in different directions.. and provide stable performance under these circumstances... i.e. performance with GPS on will be less than without GPS. and FWIW.. check the firmware you are using.. 5.4.3 is more stable, but 5.5beta4 is also getting close to a full release.. = On 6/24/2011 3:45 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I wanted to touch base as this is our first case of actually using GPS/AirSync. We have 2 dishes shooting about 15-20 degrees off of each other, same height, about 7' of separation. One link is 14 miles, the other 32 miles. Channel 5805 and 5825 and 20mhz Channels. Airsync off, both transferring data: 8x1Mbps each (best case, some tests wouldn't even work) pings all over the place Airsync on, both transferring data: 30x23Mbps on 32 miles 40x30Mbps on 14 miles pings stable Airsync off, only one passing traffic: 70Mbps transmit one way 30Mbps receive one way Very happy to see Airsync do it's job, but would be nice to have more bandwidth. The signals are -57 on each link with a noise floor of -91. We do have a larger dish on the 32 mile link. Regards, Chuck Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/9/2011 7:28 PM, Matt wrote: They aren't really designed to work at 5 feet. There has to be a ton of multipath. That MIGHT be true. But I have power turned all way down and aligned carefully at 40+ foot. Without GPS turned on throughput is as expected. So I assume it is not a multipath issue. Either GPS sync does not like that close range due to some timing issue or GPS sync just works poorly. From looking at Ubiquiti forums I am guessing the latter. Am using Mikrotik to test and not the built in test. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?
They both have separate feeds. The folks doing OSCAR feed the two antennas with splitters and phasing lines to feed the same signal to both antennas. To achieve the phase shift some use the antennas in the same plane and feed them out of phase with phasing lines. Another approach is to feed them in phase but shift one antenna forward or back. Either way produces circular polarization. But the key part of the OSCAR operation is the same signal goes to both antennas. Obviously with the MIMO stuff it's independent signals to each antenna. Greg On Nov 4, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: No. The OSCAR circular-polarized antennas had a feed split between the V and H antennas, which each had a driven element. The MIMO ones have independent feeds. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Boost Your WiFi Signal Using Only a Beer Can
I did the cardboard cut-out covered in aluminum foil parabola on Linksys rubber duckies back in the dark ages. Greg On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote: http://dsc.discovery.com/gear-gadgets/boost-your-wifi-signal-using-only-a-beer-can.html#mkcpgn=otbn1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out
Is that enough to keep a bad CPE from taking down the AP? Greg On Oct 7, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: On 10/06/2011 05:52 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Two reasons for the post: 1) Clients can cause the whole AP to misbehave. 2) Anyone have any trouble shooting tips on how to know whether to check AP or clients first? In the worst conditions, a MT CPE with default configuration will retransmit the same frame 200-300 times per second at the lowest rate, consuming all available bandwidth. I've observed this in the field and on the bench. Getting stats from the AP/CPE to easily show when this is happening has proven quite difficult. I had to use a third station to do a TZSP sniff and analyze the data in wireshark in order to observe it. Setting frame-lifetime=1 (1 centi-second/10milliseconds), will drop that number to 20-30 frames per second. It sets a hard limit to how long the AP or CPE will spend retransmitting the same frame. So to answer your second question, you can try setting frame-lifetime=1 on all the CPEs. It shouldn't make a difference on good CPEs, but it will likely make the bad CPEs worse, bringing them to light. HTH, -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out
Do you apply it only in special cases or would you do it as standard procedure on CPEs? It seems like something that when you need it it's too late to put it in. Greg On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: On 10/07/2011 12:59 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Is that enough to keep a bad CPE from taking down the AP? In general, I'd say yes. I would look it as a tool to keep things calm long enough to fix the real problem rather than a permanent fix. -Kristian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Open Range Closes: Broadband's Solyndra @$240M???
It could have been a total scam from the start, but if it was on the up and up then they were probably betting that with enough money and time they would perfect the technology or manufacturing or what ever it would take to work the kinks out and become profitable. The allure of solar is the impressive amount of energy that falls on a square meter. If solar-electric panel manufacturers could get the efficiency well over 50% it would be a game changer. What a shame all that money went down the toilet. If there were no viable solar companies that could have made real innovations with that money then it should have gone elsewhere. Greg On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: I'm not familiar with the details on the Open Range deal, however it would be unsurprising if the government (taxpayer) ends up being the sucker. That's the order of the day (and the last 10 years). The Solyndra deal for example not only rings of crony capitalism but a lack of the most basic technical due diligence. Even the named inventor on their patents stated that the design was unbuildable at reasonable cost. Would you buy a solar power system that came with an oil leak disposal kit as a standard accessory? Tom S. On 10/5/2011 3:01 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 10/5/2011 05:46 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: Caution - this may make your ears bleed - strong language :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRmZ9zH-mYM Yeah, but under the rapper profanity, he displays a profound ignorance of macroeconomics and monetary policy. There's a reason that economics is called the dismal science. It is not intuitively obvious, and is thus prone to demagoguery. Open Range, on the other hand, appears to be a simple case of JP Morgan's influence peddling to get a big loan for a risky venture from the Bush administration. I wonder if they will end up losing their bet, or if there is some trick in there to get JP Morgan Chase paid back. Note how Iridium was Motorola's idea, and lost several billion, but Motorola came out ahead (and Chase, being the marks that time, lost). On 10/5/2011 2:21 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 10/5/2011 04:20 PM, Rafman® wrote: Open Range Closes: http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/10/05/open-range-closes/ Broadband's Solyndra with $240M Federal Funds..? Interesting, but not surprising given the whole story. The RUS (part of the USDA) usually just funds incumbent LECs, not WISPs. In 2008, Open Range got $100M from JP Morgan Chase and then a bigger RUS loan. The plan was to use Globalstar's ATC frequencies. Globalstar was a low Earth orbit satellite (LEOsat) constallation launched in the late 1990s. I think Qualcomm was originally behind it; the idea was to be a simple bent-pipe repeater for CDMA satphones. They were competing with the uber-baroque Iridium network, which of course bombed miserably (I had a bit of an inside seat watching that failure; it was kind of funny). GlobalStar's original satellites kind of went haywire in 2007 and some of the replacements have been flaky too, which is not doing them a lot of good. Satellites were granted ancillary terrestrial component (ATC) rights as a way to fill in gaps in satellite coverage; later this was expanded to permit terrestrial-only users. That's what LightSquared is trying to do. Open Range made a deal to use GlobalStar's ATC, but something went wrong and the FCC revoked it in 2010. So Open Range has some license problems. All that money and no place to go. They were also trying to make a deal with LightSquared, but I think that was for MVNO use of the network, not frequency leases. I think the key difference between Open Range and your basic WISP is that Open Range wanted to play Wall Street's game: Take a lot of money, spend big and fast, and hope for a return. A WISPA member can't afford to waste money that way. I wonder if Open Range has much cash left. I don't see how they could have spent it without access to enough spectrum. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.914 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3939 - Release Date: 10/04/11 23:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Do you need 120vac? I have a fair amount of experience with inverters, which basically is a UPS that doesn't come with a battery. I find them to be much better quality than a UPS. I would definitely use an inverter before I'd use a UPS. I realize the UPS have monitoring and remote control features that you might not get with inverters but I'd add something to give me that functionality. One feature you'll get with the better inverters is the ability to tailor your charge cycle and depth of discharge before the LVD kicks in to your battery bank. If you have the capacity to justify an Outback brand inverter they are great. We use them in the Amazon where we get some wicked lightning and they do really good. Some Engineers that used to be with Trace left and started Outback. If you don't need 120vac and could use just 12 and 24vdc I'd use separate battery banks for both voltages with a good battery charger that charges each 12 volt cell individually even though they're in series. I know of a good charger (I can't think of the brand right now) that does multiple cells. It's basically a bank of chargers in once case. It maintains each battery perfectly according to it's own needs. Though that charger is not adjustable, it's strictly for normal lead acid deep cycle batteries. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Wow, that's scraping the bottom of the barrel. At that price you might be able to get something from Tripplite that includes charger if you find a really good deal. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
It sounds to me like Pat's issue is the power is bad enough there that the UPS is going to invert often and it's killing his batteries because the UPS charges a lot more slowly than it discharges the batteries when it's inverting. There's a ratio of invert to charge time that if you exceed it can't keep up. I suspect if he just added a battery charger to what he's presently got he would find his batteries would last as they should. That would explain the battery issue, but why are the UPS going bad? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200 with an AP9617. Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC from utility to your radios. I think 80 watts gets you an hour of uptime? I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new batteries. Running three of them for a couple of years now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net
Re: [WISPA] Android Survey App
It's good to be cautious. Android has had some issues with renegade apps. Their app environment is not the walled garden the Apple App Store is. Greg On Aug 22, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Matt wrote: Which permissions don't you like? We can remove some, but obviously some are required. Your messages Your personal information Phone calls Why would it need any of that? Storage seems a bit questionable as well. Why does it need to read messages? Why phone book? Why call history? Found this on Android market: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.wispmon.finder WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency
I've got a short backhaul (.1 mile) PtMP and it definitely works better with AirMax on. I forget if I'm using the no-ack feature. Greg On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Ok, so WDS fixed the latency. At 20mhz channel and 100%ccq what should our actual throughput be. We are only seeing 20mbps max. Airmax should be used on P2P only for high-distance (~50km or more) links. Keep WDS on but turn Airmax off. Throughput depends on distance, but for a 5km link with 20 MHz channel you should get 50 Mbps using large packets. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency
You are correct, I have it off. I just checked. Greg On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Better not be. It makes the link perform like crap. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a short backhaul (.1 mile) PtMP and it definitely works better with AirMax on. I forget if I'm using the no-ack feature. Greg On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Ok, so WDS fixed the latency. At 20mhz channel and 100%ccq what should our actual throughput be. We are only seeing 20mbps max. Airmax should be used on P2P only for high-distance (~50km or more) links. Keep WDS on but turn Airmax off. Throughput depends on distance, but for a 5km link with 20 MHz channel you should get 50 Mbps using large packets. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5 Dish high latency
Isn't -53 a little too hot? Are you using WDS? I don't know if AirMax has changed this but I know one used to need to run with WDS on for a purely transparent bridge. Greg On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: We are working on deploying a pair of M5 dishes on our network bridging point a and point b. When we plug in the network to the dishes, the ping times climb to 1200+ms on side b of the bridge, and equipment local to the side b of the bridge, and time out after two or more hops, essentially bringing the whole network down. We can ping point to point with no traffic at 2ms. We are replacing a pair of existing bridges from another manuf. and not seeing this issue over these. Signal is -53dbm on both sides. -85 noise floor. Any ideas? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire
Faisal, If I understand history correctly, there was a time when the country was best served by a monopoly. In it's infancy fierce competition wouldn't have led to a strong nationwide phone system. But then times changed and the country was best served by the divestiture (breakup) of Ma Bell. I believe a parallel is developing countries where they're best served by private industry coming in and investing large sums of money to get an industry started, then over time the country decides it's best served by buying out the investors and nationalizing the company. Sometimes this leads to mismanagement and financial troubles for the industry so the national government sells the industry or parts of it back to the private sector. Sometimes that cycle continues with the national government buying or seizing the industry back when it's profitable and laying golden eggs, and sells it after they've picked it bare. The point being that what was in the best interest of the country or industry in the past has gone through many stages over periods of time and what was needed at the time varied. There may or may not be parallels and lessons to be learned from history which are applicable to where we are today. The founding fathers had the wisdom to see that the best balance was the least amount of government regulation and intervention possible with the most freedom. The hard part is deciding what's the least amount of government intervention possible. I believe the founding fathers realized that the government would be incapable of making that decision because of it's vested interest. It's amazing to me that the founding fathers were selfless enough to form a government in which they didn't place themselves in the center to be ensconced in power for life. Greg On Jul 16, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Well...again you have to go further back in history...before telecom regulation ..it was a Ma Bell monopoly ..and without regulation...there is a very good chance that it will again become a Ma Bell monopoly or maybe a duopoly... Let's not forget that... Faisal On Jul 16, 2011, at 9:03 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: it is Regulation (1996 Telecom Act) that allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing internet access and other communication services With all due respect, it's exactly the mindset that government allows us to be in business that IS the problem. Telecom Act or no, regulation or no, there should be no question that we are allowed to make a living the way we want to regardless. On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I am going to address your points backwards:- You wrote --- And lastly, about the FCC, the last administration's appointees were advocates for free markets and for competition and deregulation. Not particularly effective ones, but at least they were not our enemy. The current administration's people at the FCC are IN NO WAY our friend, for any way, manner, or purpose, and everything they want is bad for us and the country. STop talking political party talking points, and get some reality. - We have been wireline ISP's first, since 2000, if you really believe what you wrote (above) then you are truly mis-informed... The simple facts are ... it is Regulation (1996 Telecom Act) that allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing internet access and other communication services . and it is THE DEREGULATION over the past 5 years, that has been KILLING the ISP's off. You forget, that if you don't have the ability to connect to other networks in a fair and equitable manner, you are not going to be able to continue in this business. Get a grip of reality and the full picture.. you are playing with a DUAL EDGE sword here... ---You wrote- You seem to think that the answer is to find the right pol to influence and the right committee members to lobby and the right allies to obstruct X or advance Y, but those are expediency, not principle. They should be TACTICS to a principled purpose, one that will attract others, on the basis of its soundness and validity. Not sure where you are coming up with this from ...however each and every one has his own right to interpret the events . You wrote - Additionally, I said absolutely NOTHING partisan. Not even ideological. It's simple straightforward business principles. Principle Numero Uno is have the freedom to be in business, and there is nothing convoluted or difficult about that. hehe.. when you start off a paragraph with this administration or do a follow up with the previous administration.. that is as
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
+1 on point number 1. I've heard the phrase many times nobody every got fired for buying Cisco. Greg On Jul 7, 2011, at 3:02 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: To clarify. 1) Linux routers are plenty good for Enterprise. My point was that its a harder sell to sell them a product they dont know, when there could be many third party trusted advisors chiming in with an opinion that contradicts yours. But no doubt Linux routers can be very power and very stable. 2) I dont like to get into the Imagestream vs Mikrotik war, as they are both very nice products. One difference is the Mikrotik is a closed platform, and Imagestream is an open platform with manufacturer support. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PC Air Link Wireless?
Does anyone have anything good to say about PC Air Link Wireless? I'm not just trying to bash them on this forum, I'm just trying to find out if I should cross them off my list of suppliers. I sent a friend there and it was only for an RB-750 and a Picostation M2-HP, not a thousand dollar order, but the order was taken, after more than a week no confirmation of shipping or cancellation was received, and after many calls (in which they promised to get right back to me) and email I've not received one word about the order. I called the phone number on the web site and got a fellow who no longer works for the company but was helping them set up their e-commerce site and said he had seen the order and that maybe there was a problem due to the ship to and bill to addresses being different. Still the bottom line is after many calls and emails and promises that they'd get right back to me I've heard nothing. Does anyone have any experience with these guys? Do they deserve a second chance? Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PC Air Link Wireless?
That's good advice. Thanks to everyone who wrote. I'll do that. Greg On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Cancel order, call credit card co. to get payment stopped or reversed and buy from A WISPA Vendor Member. Life too short for those kind of hassles. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] PC Air Link Wireless? Does anyone have anything good to say about PC Air Link Wireless? I'm not just trying to bash them on this forum, I'm just trying to find out if I should cross them off my list of suppliers. I sent a friend there and it was only for an RB-750 and a Picostation M2-HP, not a thousand dollar order, but the order was taken, after more than a week no confirmation of shipping or cancellation was received, and after many calls (in which they promised to get right back to me) and email I've not received one word about the order. I called the phone number on the web site and got a fellow who no longer works for the company but was helping them set up their e-commerce site and said he had seen the order and that maybe there was a problem due to the ship to and bill to addresses being different. Still the bottom line is after many calls and emails and promises that they'd get right back to me I've heard nothing. Does anyone have any experience with these guys? Do they deserve a second chance? Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 2.4GHz 802.11n hardware that will do 40MHz and 20MHz channels simultaneously?
I asked this on the UBNT forum but received no answer. The 802.11n specification states that when an AP is set to 40MHz channels it should allow older gear that's only capable of 20MHz channels to connect in that mode as well. With 2.4GHz UBNT gear I'm finding that if the AP is set to 40MHz then that's all it will allow clients to connect at - clients that are not capable of 40MHz channels just don't connect. Apple gear and some others won't do 40MHz in the 2.4GHz band. Does anyone know if there's any cards that could be used the MT routerboards that could do both 40MHz and 20MHz channels simultaneously? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pf / ALTQ for controlling torrent deluge
On May 8, 2011, at 4:13 AM, Rogelio wrote: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: MikroTik RouterOS will give you quite a bit of QoS control. However if the traffic is on prot 80, it's a little trickier as you need to manage traffic based on patterns rather than any specific port. For what it's worth, I finally found this Netgate M1n1wall that has pfSense integrated in quite nicely (well known for better than average P2P throttling). Not the best for production, but certainly good enough for home use. http://store.netgate.com/-P218.aspx Add an extra compact flash card, and you will have more memory to install more things. And if you want faster VPN, you can add the crypto accelerator. http://store.netgate.com/-P319C26.aspx Did you see the price on that? Wow that's expensive for what you're getting. I'd stay with Mikrotik. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] connection for cheap splitters? BACK ON LIST
Roger, I'm taking this back on list because there's guys with way more experience than me. I'd feel better if you get their input too. I hope taking a conversation off list and then back on isn't a forum no-no. If it is I'm sorry. I'm not sure what your friend is thinking but it sounds like a recipe for disaster. What's much better is this: Interior side of wall Exterior side of wall 2.4GHz AP---Ethernet cable/cement wall/---Ethernet cable---5.8GHz link to the rest of the network if you can't do that do this: 2.4GHz AP on channel 1Ethernet cable---/cement wall/--2.4GHz AP on channel 6 or 11 with WDS to other APs I run a small network that originally started with cheap 3Com, Linksys, DLink etc APs on different channels, located in pairs wired back to back. It worked really poorly. I'm not sure I'd want to even say it worked. Next was Buffalo APs using WDS. That was OK but still cruddy. It worked but not much more than that. Email connections often timed out, Skype worked poorly, etc. Next came UBNT gear using WDS. That was better yet but still not adequate in my opinion. Finally UBNT APs fed by a 5.8GHz UBNT backhaul. Now it works as a network should. I would call this the bare minimum that I'd want to put my name on and call it a network. UBNT gear is cheap and if you don't cut corners you'll have a network that people won't constantly be complaining about. You'll have a network that you won't quickly outgrow. I think the complaining part is the worst. That's priceless. Greg On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Roger E. Rustad, Jr. wrote: Well, in his case, one antenna will be on one side of a wall and the other antenna will be on the other. The walls will be WiFi unfriendly concrete. :/ Yeah, I'm guessing that he will likely have impedance mismatch here, and not sure what he can really get on a budget Rog On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Well the 3db loss really isn't. 3db is half. Since you're splitting it, it's halved, but you get both halves. If you cut your sandwich in half and keep both halves you haven't lost anything. But, unless he's getting fancy with feed line lengths and impedances he'll have a mismatch (swr) and that will cause loss and possibly other problems. There are devices that will give you the T and maintain your 50Ohm impedance. Those devices do have some inherent loss, but they're usually the better way to go. Greg On Apr 29, 2011, at 6:04 AM, Roger E. Rustad, Jr. wrote: In this case, a friend has some cheap radios (Meraki, Ubiquiti, etc) that he wants to split and attach two different antennas to. He's trying to get some with strong gains, given the fact that he'll lose 3dBi with each split. On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Do you mean a simple T connector or do you mean a hybrid/combiner that handles impedance matching? What are you going to connect? Greg On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:00 AM, Rogelio wrote: I am looking for an extremely inexpensive n connector splitter to use on several wireless projects here in Africa. Does anyone have any good suggestions? Since this is a rural area, price point is key here. -- Also on LinkedIn? Feel free to connect if you too are an open networker: scubac...@gmail.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 802.11n 2.4GHz AP card that will fall back to 20MHz channels for some clients?
I'm presently using UBNT M gear as 2.4GHz APs. I've found that all client devices can connect on 20MHz channels and only some clients can connect on 40MHz channels. I also found that when the UBNT gear is in 40MHz channel mode it doesn't fall back to 20MHz for the clients that can't do 40MHz channels as some other brand APs do. Is there an RF card that can be used with an MT board that does 40MHz channels and will fall back to 20MHz channels for the clients that can't do 40MHz? I'd rather stay all UBNT for RF but it doesn't appear they have something that can do this. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] SonicWall Proxy-ARP
My experience was only with their bottom of the line content filter, but would you believe it didn't filter web proxies, the first think a kiddie is going to go to to get past the SonicWall. I contacted the company a number of times and their only response was upgrade your filtering package to one that includes proxies. Even their basic box and package isn't cheap, spending more seemed ridiculous. I thought it was unreasonable for them to sell something they call a content filter which was so easily bypassed, but they wouldn't budge. So I started a thread on their forum asking if other users agreed and wanted to join a class action lawsuit. New firmware that would filter proxies at the basic package level was announced within days. Greg On Apr 14, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Brad Belton wrote: I could not agree MORE! Some of these SonicWall resellers are cult like in their defense of the product so, beware. If there is any trouble with anything at all it absolutely cannot be the SonicWall's fault... Lol Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SonicWall Proxy-ARP Friends don't let friends use sonicwalls. On 4/13/11, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Anyone know how to turn this off? We can't find the setting. Had an issue where the SonicWall answered ARP requests from our edge router for about 150 IP's apparently I'm not the first. Jerry -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Can 900MHz do this?
I've been asked by the powers that be in a nearby small municipality to remote control their generators as I have done on our own, so they can quickly shut it down when lightning approaches. They just lost one of their 500KVA generators to lightning. I'd be volunteering my time and expertise in return for brownie points. What I did where I live is use UBNT 2.4GHz gear because the distance is short and it's line of site. Where I've been asked to do this job the layout is the generator is up on a small hill on the far side of the peak from the town (not line of site). The link distance would be about a mile. The hilltop has a smooth rounded transition, not a jagged peak. I'm wondering if 900MHz would be choice here since it's nlos. If I did this in 2.4GHz I think I'd need an intermediate hop. There is a convenient place to put an intermediate hop which might consist of a Picostation plus car battery, charge controller and solar panel. The problem with this is the complexity, cost and theft issues. There's no good data for the area to do something like Radio Mobile. I'm just curious what people's experience has been with 900MHz and hills. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can 900MHz do this?
Thanks for the info about 900MHz. It sounds like it would work. The only thing I can find in country is 2.4GHz and 5.8GHz gear. So I'll have to import the 900MHz if I want it or just go with 2.4GHz. I might try the 2.4GHz NanoBridges since I can buy them locally. With the 18dbi antennas it might be enough. There's a water tower that both ends could see. I'm thinking of pointing the NanoBridges at the water tower and hope I get enough scatter. For the controller I'm going to use this: http://www.controlbyweb.com/x301/ It's really cool. It's got two inputs you can watch, two outputs, plus you can watch the temp and input voltage. We use the timers here to start and stop the generator, one input shows the gen's run/not running condition and the other input is for alarms. On alarms I have it email me and others notifications. Greg On Apr 13, 2011, at 4:47 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: We use Tranzeo TR-902's in hills all the time, and have good luck. I use this unit to reboot my Ap's on the towers, it is controlled with a pager. http://www.wesellpagers.com/wireless_switch.htm Bob Rothstein Prime Access (877) 333-1003 Works flawless NGL -- From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Can 900MHz do this? I've been asked by the powers that be in a nearby small municipality to remote control their generators as I have done on our own, so they can quickly shut it down when lightning approaches. They just lost one of their 500KVA generators to lightning. I'd be volunteering my time and expertise in return for brownie points. What I did where I live is use UBNT 2.4GHz gear because the distance is short and it's line of site. Where I've been asked to do this job the layout is the generator is up on a small hill on the far side of the peak from the town (not line of site). The link distance would be about a mile. The hilltop has a smooth rounded transition, not a jagged peak. I'm wondering if 900MHz would be choice here since it's nlos. If I did this in 2.4GHz I think I'd need an intermediate hop. There is a convenient place to put an intermediate hop which might consist of a Picostation plus car battery, charge controller and solar panel. The problem with this is the complexity, cost and theft issues. There's no good data for the area to do something like Radio Mobile. I'm just curious what people's experience has been with 900MHz and hills. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cable for FM Tower Install
In space (vacuum). Cables have a velocity factor. On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: And speed of light (c) = 300,000,000 m/s -- Patrick Shoemaker From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 21:10 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cable for FM Tower Install Wavelength (m) = speed of light (m/s) / frequency (Hz) Avoid ¼ wavelength multiples. -- Patrick Shoemaker From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 14:54 To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cable for FM Tower Install Get with someone who can tell you exactly how long to make the cables. You don't want them any whole fraction of the FM wavelength freq or it will compound your problem. Make them as de-tuned length as possible. I've had a coax in my hand not hooked to anything in the vacinity of a high-power FM station and it was a resonant length and it got so hot I had to drop it. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:39 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cable for FM Tower Install We are mounting close to a 50kW FM antenna and want to use heavy, double shielded cable for the runs to the APs since we've seen issues in the past. Fiber up the tower but will need 3-4 ft jumpers to the APs. Any recommendations? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cable for FM Tower Install
If the dielectric of coax cables causes them to have a velocity factor of .6, why would the jacket insulation be different? Greg On Apr 13, 2011, at 9:28 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Except in this case, assuming the shield is intact and good quality, we are dealing with undesired currents flowing on the surface of the cable shield only. At 100 MHz and assuming an aluminum foil shield in the cat5, the shield metal is thicker than a few skin depths (about 8 um skin depth). So we essentially have a solid conductor in open air, and if the insulation’s relative permittivity is close enough to 1 to neglect (should be), the velocity factor is close to 1. -- Patrick Shoemaker From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 21:32 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cable for FM Tower Install In space (vacuum). Cables have a velocity factor. On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: And speed of light (c) = 300,000,000 m/s -- Patrick Shoemaker From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 21:10 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cable for FM Tower Install Wavelength (m) = speed of light (m/s) / frequency (Hz) Avoid ¼ wavelength multiples. -- Patrick Shoemaker From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 14:54 To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cable for FM Tower Install Get with someone who can tell you exactly how long to make the cables. You don't want them any whole fraction of the FM wavelength freq or it will compound your problem. Make them as de-tuned length as possible. I've had a coax in my hand not hooked to anything in the vacinity of a high-power FM station and it was a resonant length and it got so hot I had to drop it. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:39 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cable for FM Tower Install We are mounting close to a 50kW FM antenna and want to use heavy, double shielded cable for the runs to the APs since we've seen issues in the past. Fiber up the tower but will need 3-4 ft jumpers to the APs. Any recommendations? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RED queues out, PCQ queues in - anyone else doing this?
Rubens, Thanks! Yes, I prioritized small ack, syn and fin packets. I think I'm seeing an improvement. Our modem already does caching and I can't control it. It even caches DNS which breaks things like OpenDNS. Happily they fixed the http/s caching so we're not still seeing week old DrudgeReport pages. Greg On Apr 11, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Rubens, Thanks for the reply! I'm using a 5GHz AirMax back haul (PtMP) to two 2.4GHz APs (All UBNT gear). The 5GHz back haul has never broken a sweat. Our upstream is a 1M/256K high latency connection so there just isn't that much data to move. Satellite, huh ? You will probably gain a lot by forcing users to a transparent proxy. You can do lots of TCP tuning on a server that would be either impossible on some Microsoft TCP/IP stacks or too expensive in support hours to do on the end users machines. Caching also comes to mind. You got me thinking about the ack packets. Besides possibly a queue type, what do you think about prioritizing them high? High priority for ACK packets usually turns into better performance perception on any network. I would try it for sure, but consider the proxy option above for your specific scenario (not the usual WISP one). Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RED queues out, PCQ queues in - anyone else doing this?
Rubens, Thanks for the reply! I'm using a 5GHz AirMax back haul (PtMP) to two 2.4GHz APs (All UBNT gear). The 5GHz back haul has never broken a sweat. Our upstream is a 1M/256K high latency connection so there just isn't that much data to move. You got me thinking about the ack packets. Besides possibly a queue type, what do you think about prioritizing them high? Thanks! Greg On Apr 7, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: I was running Butch's script with PCQ queues but I started wondering about buffer bloat (yeah, I follow NANOG too) on the router. I thought about trying RED on the outbound queue since if packets are dropped and resent on our wireless network it's no biggie. Our wireless network is way overkill as far as our bandwidth needs. But I didn't want dropped packets on our inbound side because I didn't want to waste any of our precious satellite bandwidth. So I kept PCQ queues there. Before jumping into the conclusion that your network is overkill for your usage, you should first graph it in RX+TX pps if it's Wi-Fi, or RX pps and TX pps otherwise. Ideally you should also graph airtime % as well, but that's not a MIB-II standard item... AirControl might do it with UBNT gear. It seems like it made things work better but I never know for sure because our satellite bandwidth is oversold and what we get at any given moment is effected by what the other users who are on this same bandwidth are doing. Does anyone else mix queue types like that? Is this a dumb idea? I think it's not dumb, but the cause/effect relations on TCP make choosing which queue type to use in each direction a more complex decision than that. Trying more combinations might be good. One thing I would consider doing is using different queue types on each direction depending on packet size. TCP packets going outbound but have low size are just ACKs of incoming TCP data, and the other way around. non-TCP packets would also have a different QoS strategy as it's usually non-responsive to packet loss or delay variations. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RED queues out, PCQ queues in - anyone else doing this?
On Apr 7, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On 04/07/2011 06:23 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: My little network is a wireless network with about 20 user devices (computers, iPads, iPods, Wiis, Blackberries etc). Our upstream is a 1Mbps/256KBps. I was running Butch's script with PCQ queues but I started wondering about buffer bloat (yeah, I follow NANOG too) on the router. I thought about trying RED on the outbound queue since if packets are dropped and resent on our wireless network it's no biggie. Our wireless network is way overkill as far as our bandwidth needs. But I didn't want dropped packets on our inbound side because I didn't want to waste any of our precious satellite bandwidth. So I kept PCQ queues there. It seems like it made things work better but I never know for sure because our satellite bandwidth is oversold and what we get at any given moment is effected by what the other users who are on this same bandwidth are doing. Does anyone else mix queue types like that? Is this a dumb idea? FWIW, the NEWEST version of this script uses RED queues. (just so you know). As for splitting the queues per direction like this, I'm not sure I've ever tried this, but it should perform reasonably well. Butch, Thanks for the reply and for your script! It makes our little internet connection here work so well. It truly makes a night and day difference on a poor connection with a lot of users. Greg -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * *NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RED queues out, PCQ queues in - anyone else doing this?
Rubes, Thank you very much! That's great info and ideas. Greg On Apr 7, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: I was running Butch's script with PCQ queues but I started wondering about buffer bloat (yeah, I follow NANOG too) on the router. I thought about trying RED on the outbound queue since if packets are dropped and resent on our wireless network it's no biggie. Our wireless network is way overkill as far as our bandwidth needs. But I didn't want dropped packets on our inbound side because I didn't want to waste any of our precious satellite bandwidth. So I kept PCQ queues there. Before jumping into the conclusion that your network is overkill for your usage, you should first graph it in RX+TX pps if it's Wi-Fi, or RX pps and TX pps otherwise. Ideally you should also graph airtime % as well, but that's not a MIB-II standard item... AirControl might do it with UBNT gear. It seems like it made things work better but I never know for sure because our satellite bandwidth is oversold and what we get at any given moment is effected by what the other users who are on this same bandwidth are doing. Does anyone else mix queue types like that? Is this a dumb idea? I think it's not dumb, but the cause/effect relations on TCP make choosing which queue type to use in each direction a more complex decision than that. Trying more combinations might be good. One thing I would consider doing is using different queue types on each direction depending on packet size. TCP packets going outbound but have low size are just ACKs of incoming TCP data, and the other way around. non-TCP packets would also have a different QoS strategy as it's usually non-responsive to packet loss or delay variations. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RED queues out, PCQ queues in - anyone else doing this?
My little network is a wireless network with about 20 user devices (computers, iPads, iPods, Wiis, Blackberries etc). Our upstream is a 1Mbps/256KBps. I was running Butch's script with PCQ queues but I started wondering about buffer bloat (yeah, I follow NANOG too) on the router. I thought about trying RED on the outbound queue since if packets are dropped and resent on our wireless network it's no biggie. Our wireless network is way overkill as far as our bandwidth needs. But I didn't want dropped packets on our inbound side because I didn't want to waste any of our precious satellite bandwidth. So I kept PCQ queues there. It seems like it made things work better but I never know for sure because our satellite bandwidth is oversold and what we get at any given moment is effected by what the other users who are on this same bandwidth are doing. Does anyone else mix queue types like that? Is this a dumb idea? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems swapping an RB750 and RB-750G
Which firmware are you running? I had both boxes running 5.0, and I exported specific sections of the configuration instead of everything in one shot. Still I found that if I imported the files into the target box and ran import from the command line it fail with an error but if I opened the file with a text editor, copied the config and pasted it at the command line it worked fine. The problem with doing the entire config in one shot is things like the /interface section has the source box's MAC addresses which will get cloned to the target box if you don't delete that out. Also there is a section in /system where it talks about CPU frequency which could be an issue. I think it's best to just get the key sections. I did /ip firewall, /queue, /system script, /system scheduler, /ip address, /ip pool. I think in the future I'd do just the bare minimum to get the box accessible via WinBox and then while having access to both boxes via WinBox do the rest section by section. I didn't have any issues with the port names being associated with the wrong ports. Greg On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I was in the process of swapping a 433ah for a 450g and am experiencing some of the same trouble. I copied the config from the 433 to the 450g and it doesn't work. The port I have as ether1 showed up red in winbox. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 05:25:33PM -0430, Greg Ihnen wrote: I posted this on the MT forum but I wanted to throw it out here too. Thanks. First I exported in imported the RB-750's config into the RB-750G but the RB-750G didn't seem to be getting a DHCP address from the Motorola Surfboard cable modem on it's Ether1-Gateway port. I had a link light but no connectivity, the RB-750G wouldn't even respond to a ping from the internet. Then I tried the RB-750G with the default config (after \system reset) and it still wouldn't work. Again I had a link light but no connectivity in or out. Next I disabled the RB-750G's DHCP client on the Ether1-Gateway port and manually configured it for the public IP address that the Surfboard has been giving out via DCHP for years. It's a dynamic IP address but it never changes even after widespread system wide outages experienced by the cable company. That seems to be our address. Anyway, Even with the IP address manually configured I still couldn't get any connectivity. When I migrated a config from a 750G to a 450G, I found that the names of the ethernet ports were applied to the wrong physical port. When I plugged a cable into physical port 1 on the 450G, the RouterOS showed a link on the interface named 4_tower_lan. 4_tower_lan was physical port 4 on the 750G. I had to figure out which port showed a link with a cable plugged in and rename the interfaces so that the configuration of IP address and DHCP clients would be on the correct physical ports. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Problems swapping an RB750 and RB-750G
I posted this on the MT forum but I wanted to throw it out here too. Thanks. I've got an RB-750 that I want to replace with an RB-750G and I can't get any connectivity between the RB-750G and the Motorola Surfboard cable modem. First I exported in imported the RB-750's config into the RB-750G but the RB-750G didn't seem to be getting a DHCP address from the Motorola Surfboard cable modem on it's Ether1-Gateway port. I had a link light but no connectivity, the RB-750G wouldn't even respond to a ping from the internet. Then I tried the RB-750G with the default config (after \system reset) and it still wouldn't work. Again I had a link light but no connectivity in or out. Next I disabled the RB-750G's DHCP client on the Ether1-Gateway port and manually configured it for the public IP address that the Surfboard has been giving out via DCHP for years. It's a dynamic IP address but it never changes even after widespread system wide outages experienced by the cable company. That seems to be our address. Anyway, Even with the IP address manually configured I still couldn't get any connectivity. I'm located in South America and the modem/RB-750G in question are in NY. I'm managing all this remotely. When I was testing connectivity I was trying to ping the router from the internet, connect to the router via WinBox from the internet, and by having the local users attempt to access the internet. All of those failed. Now my guess is the RB-750G and modem are not successfully auto-negotiating the Ethernet port parameters. So I had the user pick up a cross over cable which I'm going to try next with the RB-750G set to 100Mbps and full duplex. Any ideas about what the problem could be would be greatly appreciated. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems swapping an RB750 and RB-750G
I thought of that and tried rebooting the modem and it didn't seem to help. I'll try it again. If the modem was latched to the MAC of the downstream box, would that just effect DHCP or would it effect connectivity in general? So nobody thinks it's possibly a GigE auto-negotiation? I'm going to try forcing the port speed to 100Mbps and use the cross over cable just to see. Thanks! Greg On Apr 2, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Chris Hudson wrote: Some cable provides latch onto the Mac address of the device being plugged into it. And you have to reset the cable modem. Chris Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I posted this on the MT forum but I wanted to throw it out here too. Thanks. I've got an RB-750 that I want to replace with an RB-750G and I can't get any connectivity between the RB-750G and the Motorola Surfboard cable modem. First I exported in imported the RB-750's config into the RB-750G but the RB-750G didn't seem to be getting a DHCP address from the Motorola Surfboard cable modem on it's Ether1-Gateway port. I had a link light but no connectivity, the RB-750G wouldn't even respond to a ping from the internet. Then I tried the RB-750G with the default config (after \system reset) and it still wouldn't work. Again I had a link light but no connectivity in or out. Next I disabled the RB-750G's DHCP client on the Ether1-Gateway port and manually configured it for the public IP address that the Surfboard has been giving out via DCHP for years. It's a dynamic IP address but it never changes even after widespread system wide outages experienced by the cable company. That seems to be our address. Anyway, Even with the IP address manually configured I still couldn't get any connectivity. I'm located in South America and the modem/RB-750G in question are in NY. I'm managing all this remotely. When I was testing connectivity I was trying to ping the router from the internet, connect to the router via WinBox from the internet, and by having the local users attempt to access the internet. All of those failed. Now my guess is the RB-750G and modem are not successfully auto-negotiating the Ethernet port parameters. So I had the user pick up a cross over cable which I'm going to try next with the RB-750G set to 100Mbps and full duplex. Any ideas about what the problem could be would be greatly appreciated. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems swapping an RB750 and RB-750G
It was an issue of needing to reboot the modem, but also that the RB-750 was getting a different IP address via DHCP from the modem than the RB-750G was getting from the modem. I guess the IP address that's handed out is based on the MAC address of the client. What threw me off was each time I'd switch back to the original RB-750 it would get the same public IP address it's been getting for more than a year for it's Ether1-Gateway port. That made me think it was the only IP address the modem was giving out via DHCP so I was expecting the RB-750G to have the same address. But the RB-750G was getting random IPs each time I would have it put online. Once I figured that out everything worked out. Thanks for the comments. Greg On Apr 2, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Dedhi Sujatmiko wrote: On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:25:33 -0430 Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I posted this on the MT forum but I wanted to throw it out here too. Thanks. I've got an RB-750 that I want to replace with an RB-750G and I can't get any connectivity between the RB-750G and the Motorola Surfboard cable modem. I have the same config as you did, RB-750 and Surfboard. Then replace it with RB-750G. Basically the problem is that the MAC Address of the RB-750 ether-1 is recorded by the Cable provider. Reboot or reset the Surfboard has nothing to do with it. I just need to call my cable provider to release the MAC Address for my subscription. On a cheap SOHO router, there is always a way to clone the MAC Address. But I never did that on Mikrotik. You may check this : http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=2t=18305 -- Dedhi Sujatmiko sujatmiko.de...@gmail.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT 5.0 broke cli
I think I just documented a bug in the GUI http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=2t=50471p=256637#p256637 Greg On Mar 31, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: Has anyone else noticed that running commands from the CLI on the 5.0 full release does not work? I've tried this on 2 routers and nada. I can change directories, put doing a pr or trying to run a command shows nothing. Anyone else seeing this? Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members Demographics
sarcasm insert your sarcasm here /sarcasm Greg On Mar 1, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm still waiting for someone to invent sarcasm font. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:54 AM, John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com wrote: Sorry Cliff. There is no way to read tone in email. A smiley face :-)at the end usually helps let folks know when something is tongue in cheek like that. If you read your note as sarcasm it is funny. I thought you were being serious. Hence my backlash. All is well! All the best, Scriv On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Cliff Leboeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.com wrote: John, My apology to you and anyone else that may have taken offense to my JOKE. Believe me that is all it was meant to be. However, this society has become so politically correct, and litigious, it dose sometimes make me sick. Hence my JOKE of needing so many attorneys on the committee to make sure we don't offend ANYONE. I would consider helping if I can and you think adding me would be helpful. Let me know the role, responsibility and commitment needed. Based on what you desire, I would only agree if I could commit to be a asset. I'd never agree to be on a committee and not participate. - Cliff LeBoeuf Computer Sales Services, Inc. 985-879-3219 Www.cssla.com From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:28:01 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members Demographics On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Cliff Leboeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.com wrote: It's really disappointing that THREE attorneys are needed to make sure things stay Kosher. Cliff, did you just offer to help us with this effort? I am married to an attorney. Many of my friends are attorneys. I have been able to legally run my business and create several organizations with the help of attorneys. When I saw we had 3 attorneys offering to help us make sure we have done things in a legal and proper way I was very glad to see that. I appreciate their legal experience and expertise being shared within this committee. I do not think that anyone in our committee was even considering that we would not do things in a Kosher way and frankly I find this post somewhat offensive. I have committed literally years of free support to WISPA in matters such as this and I do not expect much but not getting intellectually kicked around for my efforts would be a nice start. John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fwd: [Ticket#2011021966000201] Reference Forum post: DHCP problem after upgrade 5.0rc9-5.0rc10
Everyone, I had a problem with a remote RB-750 (I'm in the Amazon, the RB-750 is in NY). Every time I'd upgrade to ROS v5.0rc10 from rc9 DHCP would stop working. I upgraded and out of necessity downgraded three times and finally sent supout.rifs to MT and opened a ticket. The reply is below. The bottom line is under rc10 if you don't have something plugged into Ether2 then DHCP stops working. FYI. Now I've got to talk my 70yo mom or 80yo dad through moving one of the ethernet cables. I can't GoToAssist that one unfortunately. I hate doing tech support for family, it's hard to not get ugly (did I get all the tech common sense in the family?). Or I can wait for RC11. Greg Begin forwarded message: Hello, Yes. Ether2 is master port for the switch by default configuration. Cable should be plugged in to Ether2 at 5.0rc10, the particular problem will be fixed in the next RouterOS version. Regards, Sergejs WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: [Ticket#2011021966000201] Reference Forum post: DHCP problem after upgrade 5.0rc9-5.0rc10
On Feb 21, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:23:03AM -0430, Greg Ihnen wrote: Begin forwarded message: Hello, Yes. Ether2 is master port for the switch by default configuration. Cable should be plugged in to Ether2 at 5.0rc10, the particular problem will be fixed in the next RouterOS version. Regards, Sergejs snip Now I've got to talk my 70yo mom or 80yo dad through moving one of the ethernet cables. I can't GoToAssist that one unfortunately. I hate doing tech support for family, it's hard to not get ugly (did I get all the tech common sense in the family?). Or I can wait for RC11. Or, you can set the port which has the ethernet connected as the master and let port ether2 slave off it. I don't believe it matters which port is master or slave. Then reconfigure your DHCP server to listen on the new master port. That would be much easier than doing tech support for family. But, for my parents' router from 10,000 miles away, I'd probably just run a stable version of RouterOS, something like 4.13 or 4.16. Upgradeitis causes pain. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enrls=enq=upgradeitis -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org Scott, Thanks that's a great idea. I did do the long distance tech support with mom. She did good. I sent a picture of the RB750 first and we discussed it before I had her move the cable. It went well. I totally agree about the upgrade thing, but what I've been doing is running the beta here locally and if it works good I put it on my parent's RB750. But yes, I am living dangerously. For the longest time I stayed with the latest stable version of ROS v4. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
Butch, No, I'm not on the IPv6 mailing list. I'll check it out. Thanks! Greg On Jan 16, 2011, at 12:35 AM, Butch Evans wrote: On 01/13/2011 05:54 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: No, I'm not offended at all. I appreciate your comments and the privilege of being in the forum. When I read what you wrote about how the HE tunnel is IPv4 as far as the MT router is concerned (that had escaped me). But I still would be interested to know if others are doing true IPv6 through the MT RB750/RB450. Greg, are you on the IPv6 mailing list? I posted a complete configuration there (very simple config) for MT with an HE tunnel. I believe that most of that post was put up on the member's wiki, though I can't be certain. It will work with any MT device (including 750). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
On Jan 18, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Que? Not sure what you mean. - Jerry I just signed my parents up for Netflix. They have 22,000 titles. Amazon has over 70,000. Netflix is $9 a month unlimited, Amazon is $3.99 and up per title. Amazon does have the newer stuff that Netflix doesn't but that's even more than $3.99 per title. Overall Netflix is the best buy. My parents are loving it. They can always grab an individual title from Amazon when they want to. Amazon doesn't appear to have a package deal other than some bundled crappie titles. No all you can eat from Amazon. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] NS5 issues?
On Jan 18, 2011, at 6:38 PM, Ryan Spott wrote: Be aware that the xmas firmware was not compatible (at least for me) with radios running 5.3f7782! They let the programmers have too much eggnog. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's, NSLM5's, NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to fair if/when our upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to hear someone else is already doing it. Our upstream apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South America. I'm not sure if their system/our modem is IPv6 capable/ready. That may keep us on IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6 for some time. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
Does that tunnel add overhead (cut down throughput)? I'm guessing it would have to. Greg On Jan 13, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Jon Auer wrote: I'm currently using a RB-750 with a IPv6 tunnel/delegation from he.net at home. Works fine. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's, NSLM5's, NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to fair if/when our upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to hear someone else is already doing it. Our upstream apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South America. I'm not sure if their system/our modem is IPv6 capable/ready. That may keep us on IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6 for some time. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
Any Mikrotik routers in the mix? Greg On Jan 13, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Yes I have. All my AP's are AP-WDS and all clients are WDS with a router behind it. v6 works fine. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
Yeah, I'm running RC7, but in an IPv4 network. I'd like to hear how it's doing with IPv6. Greg On Jan 13, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: The RC for v5 just added a lot of IPv6 stuff. No more then a few weeks old. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
Yeah, I could but this is a production network, and we're in the Amazon, and the network is our only comms, and it's a satellite 512k/128k connection, and we try to do Skype, and with the lack of bandwidth and high latency and jitter it's already iffy. I'm afraid to add the HE tunnel into the mix (though I have already set up an account some time ago). Maybe I'll try it when nobody is looking. And if things go wrong I can always blame the ISP. : - ) Greg On Jan 13, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Sounds like you're already beta testing with RC7. Can't you just tack on an he.net tunnel? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
Just testing you. No, really. Thanks Greg On Jan 13, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: IPv6 on top of v4 won't change the way v4 runs. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
No, I'm not offended at all. I appreciate your comments and the privilege of being in the forum. When I read what you wrote about how the HE tunnel is IPv4 as far as the MT router is concerned (that had escaped me). But I still would be interested to know if others are doing true IPv6 through the MT RB750/RB450. Greg On Jan 13, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: My point is that you're a step away from accomplishing what you're asking others for at no consequence. I apologize if I offended you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
Steering APs from UBNT? Greg On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It's all about how you engineer it. I'm not judging your installs because I don't know them, but I hear a lot of people using NanoStations at 5 miles. You won't have quality connections doing that. NanoBridge 22s and 25s are about all I'm looking to use for CPE. By the time I'm ready to start building out this year, the beam steering APs should be available. In suburban areas where there's more noise, there's also more towers, more customers, so your ranges are less. I'm expecting 5 - 7 miles. In the country, 10 - 15 miles. In my suburban areas, the noise can be up to -70. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
I remember using one only about 10 years ago. On Dec 16, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone remember the webramp?dial-up router? --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 9:33 PM Youngster. I don't know that I have it, but my first high-speed modem was 9600. What a boost from 1200 which I used to do my first online class. On 12/16/2010 9:24 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have my first 28.8 modem from the beginning of dial-up. On 12/16/2010 4:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnishrharn...@wispa.org wrote: Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] Anyone else using ROS on an RB-750 and seeing ethernet port states flapping?
I'm seeing this on two different RB-750s in two different locations. http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=1t=47415 Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone else using ROS on an RB-750 and seeing ethernet port states flapping?
Totally different equipment. In fact I'm not even sure there's anything plugged into those ports. I have to check. The ports that are flapping are down 99% of the time according to the log and I'm not having any outages. I think it's falsely saying there's a link when there isn't anything at all connected. Greg On Dec 12, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: The post mentions hardware. Is it the same manufacturer plugged into the 750 or totally different equipment? -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:37:49 -0430 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Anyone else using ROS on an RB-750 and seeing ethernet port states flapping? I'm seeing this on two different RB-750s in two different locations. http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=1t=47415 Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone else using ROS on an RB-750 and seeing ethernet port states flapping?
Yeah, the bursting (something new to play with) got me to put a beta on. I actually don't mind being on the bleeding edge and discovering a few bugs and hopefully be able to contribute to the stuff we all use by reporting the bugs to the manufacturer. I do look at my logs once in a while so I think if this was going on under ROS4 I would have seen it. Greg On Dec 12, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: I have heard others having issues with the 750, not necessarily this issue. Have one client which no longer uses the 750’s. I would recommend putting in a 493 or 450 on one and seeing if that fixes the issue. Of course the latest 4.x ROS for the 750 can’t hurt, but you already knew that. :-) Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:45:29 -0430 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone else using ROS on an RB-750 and seeing ethernet port states flapping? Totally different equipment. In fact I'm not even sure there's anything plugged into those ports. I have to check. The ports that are flapping are down 99% of the time according to the log and I'm not having any outages. I think it's falsely saying there's a link when there isn't anything at all connected. Greg On Dec 12, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: The post mentions hardware. Is it the same manufacturer plugged into the 750 or totally different equipment? -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net x-msg://33/j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com x-msg://33/os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org x-msg://33/wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:37:49 -0430 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org x-msg://33/wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Anyone else using ROS on an RB-750 and seeing ethernet port states flapping? I'm seeing this on two different RB-750s in two different locations. http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=1t=47415 Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org x-msg://33/wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Anyone else playing with MT's new PCQ Bursting?
Is anyone else playing with MT's PCQ bursting? I'm curious what numbers people are using as far as burst time, and the burst threshold (with respect to the queue's max limit). I have some queues which I'm setting the burst threshold nearly equal to or equal to the queue's max limit, so if the average isn't very near or at the queue's max limit it will burst over. It seems like the bursting would allow critical services to run better (as bandwidth is stolen away from non-critical services) and give the network the appearance of having more bandwidth than it would without bursting. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone else playing with MT's new PCQ Bursting?
It sounds like you have your PCQ queues classified by destination IP address or by source or destination port, and that's allowing a client to open multiple queues of the same type. I'm classifying by source IP address on the outbound queues and by destination IP address on the inbound. For example I have Skype and DNS classified so it goes to a PCQ queue with priority of 1, based on the users's IP address. So both their Skype traffic and DNS traffic all goes into one queue for that user, no matter how many connections that user is making to the DNS server or to other Skype clients out there. It's neat to turn on the column showing PCQ queue count and then change the queue classification to something other than the user's IP address and see the number of queues grow. But to keep things fair on the network I keep the classification set to the user's IP address so each user gets one queue in each queue category (priority). Greg On Dec 7, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Yes. Works just fine for me. I had a PCQ of 5 megs and every time Netflix kicked on it hit no more then 5 megs. HTTP speed tests, too. Keep in mind PCQ is a queue type, this one specifically to limit each connection. If you have a torrent client, it opens dozens of connections and can each do 2 mbps. The queue (simple or as part of a tree) will limit the overall traffic. IE: simple queue for 10 megs and PCQ for 2 megs, the customer can do 2 megs in a speed test but do 5 of them at a time and reach 10. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone else playing with MT's PCQ bursting? I'm curious what numbers people are using as far as burst time, and the burst threshold (with respect to the queue's max limit). I have some queues which I'm setting the burst threshold nearly equal to or equal to the queue's max limit, so if the average isn't very near or at the queue's max limit it will burst over. It seems like the bursting would allow critical services to run better (as bandwidth is stolen away from non-critical services) and give the network the appearance of having more bandwidth than it would without bursting. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
