Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Fwd: Re: Puerto Rico assistance

2017-09-29 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. 
  
The Internet is "critical infrastructure". 

  
Is there anything that WISPA can do in
Washington D.C. to "remind" the FCC, FEMA and DHS of these facts
and light a fire under their butts? 
  
jack


On 9/27/2017 7:20 PM, Gino A. Villarini
  wrote:


  
  We are in touch with FEMA and DHS… but no help… 
  
  
  

  From: <members-boun...@wispa.org> on
  behalf of Michael Meluskey <m...@broadband.vi>
  Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org"
  <memb...@wispa.org>
  Date: Wednesday,
  September 27, 2017 at 3:41 PM
  To: "memb...@wispa.org"
  <memb...@wispa.org>
  Subject: Re: [WISPA
  Members] Fwd: Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance




  
Hi Guys,
Broadband VI is in a similar predicament as
  Gino.  We had double the pleasure, Irma for St. Thomas and
  St. John, Maria for St. Croix.
We are taking advantage of private relief
  aircraft for our critical material.


Since Aeronet is critical infrastructure, FEMA
  and DHS have people dedicated to helping Telcos.  Gino
  needs to find these people and have them ship down the
  gear he needs.


Mike Meluskey
Broadband VI

  

  

  

  

   
  Gino A. Villarini

  
  
President
  
  
Metro
Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo,
Puerto Rico 00968
  

  

    
On Sep 27, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com>
wrote:
  
  

  
   Forwarded Message 
  

  
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico
  assistance
  
  
Date:
Tue, 26 Sep 2017 23:03:07 -0400
  
  
From:
Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
  
  
Reply-To:
WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
  
  
To:
'WISPA General List' <wireless@wispa.org>
  

  
  
  
  

  Daniel,

      I am heading
up the WECAT response for this. Please send
me an email to bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com.
Gino Villarini is a large WISP on the island
who has requested help. The problem is
logistics right now. His replacement
equipment is still stateside and we are
working on ways to get it to him. He has
asked that I coordinate the manpower
resources and response. There are no
scheduled commercial flights to the island
yet. Until he gets the equipment there,.
Having people show up is not prudent. He is
working on a detailed manpower list for me
once that equipment hits the island.

   

  Thank You,

  Brian Webster

  www.wireless

Re: [WISPA] SpaceX founder files with government to provide Internet service from space

2017-05-17 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Oh my goodness gracious. Please forgive me
Mr. Grand Avenue. 
  
So here's an article from May 4, 2017

And then there's Apple. Here's an article
from April 21, 2017. 
  

Several other companies are in the race too
but, you know; you're probably right. There's nothing to see
here. Move along...
  

  



On 5/17/2017 5:58 PM, Grand Avenue
  Broadband wrote:


  
  Dude!  2015?
  

  
On May 17, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com> wrote:


  
  
"Elon
  Musk’s space company has asked the federal
  government for permission to begin testing on an
  ambitious project to beam Internet service from
  space, a significant step forward for an
  initiative that could create another major
  competitor to Comcast, AT and other telecom
  companies.
The plan calls for
  launching a constellation of 4,000 small and cheap
  satellites that would beam high-speed Internet
  signals to all parts of the globe, including its
  most remote regions. Musk has said the effort
  “would be like rebuilding the Internet in space.”

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[WISPA] SpaceX founder files with government to provide Internet service from space

2017-05-17 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
"Elon Musk’s space company has
  asked the federal government for permission to begin testing
  on an ambitious project to beam Internet service from space, a
  significant step forward for an initiative that could create
  another major competitor to Comcast, AT and other
  telecom companies.
The plan calls
  for launching a constellation of 4,000 small and cheap
  satellites that would beam high-speed Internet signals to all
  parts of the globe, including its most remote regions. Musk
  has said the effort “would be like rebuilding the Internet in
  space.”

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Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
To double the communications distance
  (everything else holding steady) requires an additional 6 dB.
  Knowing this, you can do the math with the various antenna gains
  and power levels to determine performance. 
  
  Regards, 
  
  Jack Unger
  WISPA FCC Technical Consultant
  
  

On 11/13/2014 10:15 AM, Colton Conor
  wrote:


  We are comparing multiple SOHO routers and modems
that have the same Broadcom chipsets. All of them have 802.11N
2x2 configuration. The only differences between them are if they
have internal or external antennas and the gain of the antennas
(either 2, 3, or 5dbi ratings). In addition, some sell a high
powered wifi radio (400mw) while others have the basic (100mw).


How much a difference does each of these hardware features
  make in overall wifi performance?
  
  
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Going from 20 dB to 26 dB will allow the AP to
  be heard (with the same reliability) at double the distance away.
  
  
  Yes. If the client power (actually the client EIRP which includes
  the antenna gain) stays the same then the "uplink" distance from
  client to AP will still be the same. 
  
  Yes, increasing the number of APs is one possible solution.
  Another is to use a higher-gain (more directional) antenna on the
  AP recognizing that when you increase the AP antenna gain in one
  direction, you are reducing the gain (and the coverage) in all
  other directions. 
  
  jack
  

On 11/13/2014 11:10 AM, Colton Conor
  wrote:


  So going from a regular powered 100mw (20db) to a
high powered 400mw (26db) is a 6db increase in output power. So
you are saying going from regular to high powered is a double in
coverage size?
Doesn't increasing the power output at the AP only increase
  how loud the AP can "shout" which in term dictates how far the
  receiver can hear from? If the client can't shout back does
  this do any good?


Most client devices today like iPads, Smartphones, and some
  laptops can't be modified to increase their antenna gain or
  power output. So the only option is to increase the numbers of
  APs, or the transmit power/antennas at the AP right?
  
  
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Jack
  Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
  wrote:
  
 To
double the communications distance (everything else
holding steady) requires an additional 6 dB. Knowing
this, you can do the math with the various antenna gains
and power levels to determine performance. 

Regards, 
    
    Jack Unger
WISPA FCC Technical Consultant


  
On 11/13/2014 10:15 AM, Colton Conor wrote:

  
  
  We are comparing multiple SOHO routers
and modems that have the same Broadcom chipsets. All
of them have 802.11N 2x2 configuration. The only
differences between them are if they have internal
or external antennas and the gain of the antennas
(either 2, 3, or 5dbi ratings). In addition, some
sell a high powered wifi radio (400mw) while others
have the basic (100mw).


How much a difference does each of these
  hardware features make in overall wifi
  performance?
  
  
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz

2014-06-12 Thread Jack Unger
? Local AF guy makes a request whether
  reasonable or not, and thats the way it is? I understand
  moving off the 5765Mhz and having guard space on either side
  maybe 20Mhz, but they want the whole band to stop being used
  whether its even in the radar LOS or not, which is an
  unreasonable request, IMO. This meeting of the minds will
  apparently happen this coming Wednesday here locally. Anyone
  have anything to add, other than good luck?

Scott Carullo
  Technical Operations
  855-FLSPEED x102
  
  


From: "Jack Unger"
jun...@ask-wi.com
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 12:49 PM
To: sc...@flhsi.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you
want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz
  
  Yes. Thanks !
  
  On 6/2/2014 9:24 AM, Scott
Carullo wrote:
  
Does this work:


  Scott Connolley, GS-13, DAF
DoD Eastern Area Frequency
Coordination Office
45 Space Communications Squadron
Patrick Air Force Base Florida
COMM: (321) 494-5838 DSN 854
  scott.connol...@us.af.mil



Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102




From:
  "Jack Unger" jun...@ask-wi.com
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 12:20 PM
  To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this
  is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz 
  
   Guys,
  
  I'm working on getting some clarification on this
  issue. Let's try to hold off on the public speculation
  for a little while on this very public email list
  while I try to get more information.
  
  If anyone has additional concrete information, please
  email it to me. Specifically, does anyone have a link
  to DoD Eastern Area Frequency Coordination Office?
  
  Thanks,
   jack
 
  On
  6/2/2014 9:13 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
   
  
   

  I'd
be shocked if the military could claim
unilateral authority for restricting 170 MHz of
long-established ISM spectrum (nor 120 MHz of
UNII). I hope we read an authoritative opinion
via from Steve Coran.
  
  

  

  Patrick
  Leary
  M 727.501.3735 
  

  
  

  

  

  

  

  

  
  
  
  
From:
  wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On Behalf Of Scott Carullo
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:52 AM
  To: sc...@brevardwireless.com;
  WISPA General List; wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read
  this is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz
  
  
  
I
  am following up in hopes that some of you
  smart fellas can offer suggestions.
  
  

  
  
Recap:
  
  
USAF
  Calls / emails asking to please identify all
  5Ghz emitters operating on or near 5765Mhz and
  either turn them off or change RF settings to
  not fall under that category so that RFI to
  their tracking radar can be reduced.
  
  

  

Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz

2014-06-02 Thread Jack Unger
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Re: [WISPA] Paging S. Coran

2014-05-15 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Gino, 
  
  Steve may not subscribe to this list. I'd suggest trying the
  "memb...@wispa.org" list where most of the traffic exists. 
  
  jacque
  

On 5/15/2014 12:32 PM, Gino Villarini
  wrote:


  
  

  Steve, are you getting my off list emails?
  






Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com 
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Re: [WISPA] 3650 Omni

2014-04-08 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
OMNI = Open (to) Monstrous Noise (and)
  Interference 
  

On 4/8/2014 7:55 AM, wi...@mncomm.com
  wrote:


  

  Just curious if others have deployed a 3650 Omni and to
know if it was effective? We have a few sites that we use
3650 PTP and one with a 120 degree panel that cranks out
some decent power. Of course we are always looking for areas
that we can break up APs and get some RF separation. I ran
into a competitor on the extreme north side of one of our
competitors that has a customer using a M365 power bridge.
From their registration on FCC the closest sites they have
registered are over 20 miles away. Can this be done PtMP on
3650? I have a BH link doing 24 miles on Rockets but havent
tried anything this distance PtMP. I assume they have a
closer site thats not fully registered on the FCC site as
of yet.
  
  Anyways, just curious if omni was real effective. Just
more or less looking for areas to throw on 15 to 20 subs to
break down some overloaded M2  M5 AP. And if so, are
you using UBNT antennas or KP or other
  
  thanks
  heith
  
  

  
  
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] DC FCC TV White Space

2014-03-16 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Cameron, 
  
  I'd suggest you email/call Steve Coran who is WISPA's
  Communications Attorney in D.C. I'm copying him in. 
  
  WISPA has been working at the FCC for more than 7 years now on
  WISPA's unlicensed TVWS needs. 
  
  I'd respectfully request that you consider syncing-up or at least
  familiarize yourself with the points that we are making before you
  go in. 
  
  Personally, I think the most important point is for the FCC to
  leave enough white space for unlicensed when they decide what
  spectrum to auction off for mobile broadband. It's more complex
  than that however so that's why I suggest you talk with Steve. His
  office number is 202-416-6744. 
  
  Thanks, 
    jack
  

On 3/14/2014 11:58 AM, Cameron Camp
  wrote:


  Through a strange series of events, I’m headed to DC next week to meet with FCC staff regarding TVWS issues. I’m tag teaming with CompTIA who arranged the meetings (along with another rural broadband provider from Kentucky) with:

Renee Gregory (Chairman Wheeler)

David Goldman (Commissioner Rosenworcel)

Erin McGrath (Commissioner O'Reilly)

Matthew Berry and Brendan Carr (Commissioner Pai)

I have put together some bullet points, but wanted to get an unprompted sense from the folks on this list what I should be mentioning while I’m there. How far can we get, what questions should we asking and what is a practical expecation for what can be accomplished still before FCC makes the decision?

Best,
Cameron Camp
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[WISPA] Fwd: Re: [WISPA Members] E-rate Modernization Rulemaking Proceeding -- Supplemental Comments

2014-03-13 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Does anyone over on this list have an
  suggestions regarding E-rate?

  
   Original Message 
  

  
Subject:

Re: [WISPA Members] E-rate Modernization Rulemaking
  Proceeding -- Supplemental Comments
  
  
Date: 
Thu, 13 Mar 2014 00:58:51 -0700
  
  
From: 
Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
  
  
Reply-To:

memb...@wispa.org
  
  
To: 
memb...@wispa.org
  

  
  
  
  
  Guys ( Gals) - We've only heard from one
or two of you regarding this proceeding. If WISPA is going to
file good FCC Comments, we need to hear from more of you please.

 jack

  
  On 3/8/2014 6:54 AM, Coran, Steve
wrote:
  
  



  Late Thursday, the FCCs Wireline
Competition Bureau released a Public Notice seeking
supplemental comment on certain aspects of the FCCs ongoing
E-rate modernization proceeding. Earlier, Chairman Tom
Wheeler indicated that the FCC would make an additional $2
billion available for E-rate over the next two years, And
many of the questions posed in the Public Notice seek
comment on how these funds can best be spent for the benefit
of schools and libraries. Comments are due April 7 and Reply
Comments are due April 21. WISPAs FCC Committee will be
discussing whether and to what extent WISPA may wish to file
Comments or Reply Comments, but some of the members on this
list may be interested in reading this to help inform the
Committee and/or provide you with background on changes and
opportunities in the E-rate program. Among other things,
the Bureau seeks comment on the following issues:
  - Whether
to change priority two funding to eliminate support for
legacy services and allocating a set amount of funds for
LANs and Wi-Fi networks
  - The
services and software that should qualify for support inside
schools and libraries
  - How
to enable more widespread access to funding for internal
connections
  - Changes
in the discount rate
  - Funding
for up-front costs vs. recurring support
  - Reducing
or eliminating support for voice services in some or all
areas (phasing out by 2015?)
  - Demonstration
projects
  - 
  Here is a link to the Public Notice:
  http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2014/db0306/DA-14-308A1.pdf
  
  Following the Bureaus release of the
Public Notice, Commissioner Ajit Pai released a statement
that was sharply critical of both the substance of the
Public Notice and the Commissions processes. On substance,
Commissioner Pai said that the Public Notice bodes poorly
for real reform, stating that the Bureau should have
proposed eliminating the priority system altogether and did
not alleviate the funding disparity between well-funded
districts and small, rural schools and libraries. He also
noted that the proposals would increase the paperwork load
on teachers and librarians. On process, Commissioner Pai
wanted the Public Notice to come from the full Commission as
a Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, not as a Public
Notice from the Bureau, which has no authority to propose
rules. Here is a link to Commissioner Pais statement:
  http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2014/db0307/DOC-325937A1.pdf
  
  This is the second time that Commissioner
Pai has criticized the Commission when a Bureau has released
a Public Notice seeking public comment  the other time was
a few months ago in the TV white space/incentive auction
proceeding.
  
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Re: [WISPA] HAM colo costs

2014-01-13 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Ryan,
  
  As others have implied, hams are often amenable to an agreement
  where you don't charge them anything but it's not unusual for you
  to get some non-monetary service in exchange, such as 
  
  1. Free technical advice, or 
  
  2. Use of a spectrum analyzer, when needed, or 
  
  3. A no-charge permanent use of a transceiver that works on their
  repeater (once you have your ham license), or 
  
  4. You-name-it. What type of help can you use?
  
  jack
  

On 1/13/2014 8:28 AM, D. Ryan Spott
  wrote:


  For those of you that own towers or just know... What do HAM operators 
usually get charged for colocation?



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Re: [WISPA] Market data on growth of WISPs in the US ???

2013-04-22 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Careful. Bunk IN = Bunk OUT. 
  

On 4/22/2013 1:45 PM, Brough Turner
  wrote:


  
  OK, in addition to useful responses
from Brian Webster, Matt Larsen and Fred Goldstein, I just
stumbled on this from Inside Digital Media (Phil Leigh): http://insidedigitalmedia.com/the-wireless-isp-industry-cellular-wi-fi-offloading/

Yes, I know forecasts from market research firms are usually
complete bunk, but I need something for an audience that
apparently doesn't realize how useless such forecasts are. :)

And of course I haven't spent money to purchase the report
since, as usual, the summary contains enough for my limited
purposes.


  Among the major conclusions are:
   Fixed-station Wireless Internet subscribers
will increase from about two million in 2010 to over five
million by 2015.
 Revenues for fixed-station WISPs will grow even more
quickly owing to a business mix-shift toward commercial
accounts, among other factors.
  


  
  
  
  
  
  
  Thanks,
  Brough
  
  Brough Turner
  netBlazr Inc.  Free your Broadband!
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Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

2013-04-16 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
+1 for FiWi (for fixed wireless - the "broadband"
  is almost a given)
  
  Pronounced "fy why"
  
  
  

On 4/16/2013 5:17 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  FiWi IMO
  Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
  On Apr 16, 2013 8:15 PM, "Jorge Santiago"
jscnetwo...@gmail.com
wrote:

  Gino, honestly that soundsweird! LOL
  

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM,
  Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
  wrote:
  

  
So I was thinking that us as
  Wisp need a service acronym to market like WiFi,
  4G, LTE and DSL. And it hit me

Fixed Wireless Broadband

FiWi-B 

Promunced feewee bee?

No?

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Re: [WISPA] Law Enforcement Contact Verification?

2013-04-16 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
I'll keep this post politically neutral.
  
  1. I know little about Mosaik Solutions. Their website advises
  that one thing they do is cellular coverage mapping. See
  http://www.mosaik.com/about-us/history/. They apparently
  provide many other services as well. See
  http://www.mosaik.com/
  
  2. Just because Homeland Security is supposedly "requiring" law
  enforcement info FROM Mosaik does not mean that YOU are "required"
  to give YOUR law enforcement contact information to Mosaik.
  
  3. Our government now encourages public and private companies to
  enter the "homeland security" business and to begin collecting
  information on fellow American citizens. In some cases, the
  government uses private companies to gather and report information
  about American citizens that the government itself is not
  authorized to gather directly. Many companies apparently believe
  it's good business to get paid by the government to spy on their
  fellow American citizens. "Homeland security" is now a huge,
  ever-growing business. See https://www.google.com/search?q=%22homeland+security%22+businessie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a
  
  4. It is ILLEGAL for you as an individual to lie to the government
  and/or to law enforcement but it is PERFECTLY LEGAL for government
  and/or law enforcement (or private companies working as an arm of
  the government) to lie to you. 
  
  jack
  
   

On 4/10/2013 3:14 PM, Adam Greene
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Anyone else receive a Law Enforcement
  Contact Verification email from Mosaik Solutions (formerly
  American Roamer) requesting our companys organizational
  contacts responsible for interacting with Homeland Security
  and other law enforcement agencies, as is required of us by
  the US Department of Homeland Security?

Seems strange to me that a private company
  would contact me out of the blue, implying that they are an
  official intermediary of the US Government.

Im not liking it  almost sounds like a
  phishing scheme.
  
  
  
  
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[WISPA] Mexican Cartels Enslave Engineers to Build Radio Network

2012-11-02 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Heads up! Be careful out there!
  
***
  
  The Mexican military is trying to dismantle an extensive network
  of radio antennas built and operated by the notorious Zeta drug
  cartel. But the authorities havent had much luck shutting Radio
  Zeta down. Not only is much of the equipment super-easy to
  replace. But the cartel has also apparently found some unwilling 
  and alarming  assistance by kidnapping and enslaving technicians
  to help build it.
  
  At least 36 engineers and technicians have been kidnapped in the
  past four years, according to a report from Mexican news site
  Animal Politico, with an English translation published by
  organized-crime monitoring group InSight. Worse, none of the
  engineers have been held for ransom  theyve just disappeared.
  Among them include at least one IBM employee and several
  communications technicians from a firm owned by Mexicos largest
  construction company. The fact that skilled workers have been
  disappearing in these areas is no accident, Felipe Gonzalez, head
  of Mexicos Senate Security Committee, told the website...
  
  http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/zeta-radio/
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] WISPA's recent

2012-10-03 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Thank you very, very much
Scriv. It feels great to be appreciated and complimented however
WISPA's work on behalf of our industry would not be possible
without 

a) The work, the understanding and the support of the WISPA
Board and of WISPA President Elizabeth Bowles. 

b) The suggestions from and the work of the Members of WISPA's
FCC Committee. 

c) The outstanding legal mind and work of Steve Coran of Rini
Coran. 

d) The financial and the moral support that we receive from
WISPA Members that makes our work possible. 

Together, we will continue to grow our industry and the services
that we deliver to our friends, our neighbors and other members
of the public who need and rely on us. 

jack


  
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  wrote:

VERY NICE   BRAVO ! If a carpenter could
  drive a hammer squarely against the head of a nail with the same
  strength and precision as the points made below to the FCC then
  there would be no need forpneumaticnail guns and every nail
  would be deeply set with one swing! You do good work, Jack Unger!
  Thank you!
  
Scriv
  

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Matt
  Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
  wrote:
  
 *applause*
  
  On 09/23/2012 11:22 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
  
   Section 706 of the Telecommunications
Act of 1996, as amended (1996 Act), requires the FCC
to determine and report annually on whether
advanced telecommunications capability is being
deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely
fashion.

As part of their reporting obligation, the FCC
issued a Notice of Inquiry (NOI) to gather
information in this proceeding and WISPA's FCC
Committee decided to use this NOI to restate for
the public record some of the significant points
that WISPA has made recently in other filings. Our
filing emphasized the following points. 

1. WISPs provide fixed wireless broadband service to
more that 3 million people in the U.S. 

2. In large sections of some states (we used Texas
and Illinois as examples) WISPs are the only
terrestrial broadband providers.

3. In other areas where WISPs do have terrestrial
broadband competition, WISP networks are largely
unsubsidized and built with private funding.

4. In many areas, WISPs provide broadband service
that is comparable in speed, latency and data
capacity to wired broadband service. 

5. The FCC should act to make more unlicensed
spectrum available including in the TV White Spaces,
3.55 GHz, 4.9 GHz and 5 GHz bands. 

6. When setting Connect America Fund (CAF) rules,
the FCC should make sure that subsidies do not go to
providers who would use those subsidies to compete
with WISPs. 

7. WISPs (who are unsubsidized) should not have to
contribute to CAF funding. 

8. WISPs should have access to funding from the
Remote Areas Fund (RAF). 

9. Carriers who receive CAF support should be
required to provide access to their backhaul
networks to WISPs who want to supply broadband to
nearby unserved areas. 

10. The National Broadband Map should be the sole
source of information about broadband availability.
The FCC should encourage all states to use common
data collection and verification techniques so that
data in the National Broadband Map is consistently
shown from state to state. 

A copy of WISPA's filing is attached. 

Respectfully Submitted, 

Jack Unger
Consultant to WISPA's FCC Committee
760-678-5033

Re: [WISPA] WISPA's recent

2012-09-24 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
That subject line should say
"WISPA's Recent FCC Filing" 

  
On 9/23/2012 11:22 PM, Jack Unger wrote:

  
  Section 706 of the
  Telecommunications Act of 1996, as amended (1996 Act),
  requires the FCC to determine and report annually on whether
  advanced telecommunications capability is being deployed to
  all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion.
  
  As part of their reporting obligation, the FCC issued a Notice
  of Inquiry (NOI) to gather information in this proceeding and
  WISPA's FCC Committee decided to use this NOI to restate for
  the public record some of the significant points that WISPA
  has made recently in other filings. Our filing emphasized the
  following points. 
  
  1. WISPs provide fixed wireless broadband service to more that
  3 million people in the U.S. 
  
  2. In large sections of some states (we used Texas and
  Illinois as examples) WISPs are the only terrestrial broadband
  providers.
  
  3. In other areas where WISPs do have terrestrial broadband
  competition, WISP networks are largely unsubsidized and built
  with private funding.
  
  4. In many areas, WISPs provide broadband service that is
  comparable in speed, latency and data capacity to wired
  broadband service. 
  
  5. The FCC should act to make more unlicensed spectrum
  available including in the TV White Spaces, 3.55 GHz, 4.9 GHz
  and 5 GHz bands. 
  
  6. When setting Connect America Fund (CAF) rules, the FCC
  should make sure that subsidies do not go to providers who
  would use those subsidies to compete with WISPs. 
  
  7. WISPs (who are unsubsidized) should not have to contribute
  to CAF funding. 
  
  8. WISPs should have access to funding from the Remote Areas
  Fund (RAF). 
  
  9. Carriers who receive CAF support should be required to
  provide access to their backhaul networks to WISPs who want to
  supply broadband to nearby unserved areas. 
  
  10. The National Broadband Map should be the sole source of
  information about broadband availability. The FCC should
  encourage all states to use common data collection and
  verification techniques so that data in the National Broadband
  Map is consistently shown from state to state. 
  
  A copy of WISPA's filing is attached. 
  
  Respectfully Submitted, 
  
  Jack Unger
  Consultant to WISPA's FCC Committee
  760-678-5033
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

2012-08-29 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
I see sending any kind of WISPA
"release" as just election-year political gamesmanship that is
likely to hurt us more than help us. 

This so-called "tax" is just being shifted from voice to
broadband. The FCC's job (as mandated by Congress) is to extend
broadband to everyone. 

Further, I don't agree that the FCC is trying to put us out of
business. The USF tables have been heavily tilted against us
because in the past (like 5 years ago) WISPs were not a "player"
at the government level. We were not organized enough then to
show up and make our voice heard. Now we are organized, our
voice is being heard and we're making pretty decent headway. I'd
say we stick to our business of advocating effectively to
advance our industry and leave the "tax and spend" gamesmanship
to the professional politicians. 

jack


  
On 8/29/2012 11:24 AM, Forbes Mercy
  wrote:


  
  I wonder if it would benefit us to send a "New Tax Coming to a
  Constituent Near You" release where in this era of taxes being
  waged to pay off debt, a new tax is being proposed by the FCC to
  the broadband industry which will only serve to subsidize the
  telephone industry with broadband deriving zero benefit? Instead
  of defensive it's a pro-active move where politicians running
  under a no new taxes platform will have to roll it in.
  
  I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've felt all
  along the USF to CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the Telco
  industry to do a hostile takeover of our broadband industry with
  government aid and we shouldn't be afraid to say it.
  
      Forbes
  
  On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
  

Throw out that word "tax"
and everyone gets all excited but this is really old news
and not really any news at all. Just the transition of the
USF program (subsidies to extend phone service to rural
areas) into the CAF program where the subsidies will now go
to extend broadband service to the boonies. WISPA has made a
ton of FCC filings on this already. Most of them are
defensive in nature (preventing WISPs from being overbuilt)
but a few are offensive - trying to open up the
possibilities for WISPs that want subsidies (most don't) to
get them. 

jack


  
On 8/28/2012 1:20 PM, Jim Patient
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/

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Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

2012-08-29 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
I also think it's a tax too. 

I just don't think we should lose our cool and do destructive
things that could hurt our industry just because it's a tax. 


  
On 8/29/2012 1:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick -
  Lists wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I agree with your
  conclusions Jack, but it
  is absolutely a tax.


  Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
+1 574-935-8484 (Int'l)
  


  

  
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Jack Unger
Sent:
Wednesday, August 29, 2012
3:52 PM
To: WISPA
General List; WISPA's
FCC Committee
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take
from the poor and give to the rich!


I see sending
  any kind of WISPA "release" as just election-year
  political
  gamesmanship that is likely to hurt us more than help us.
  
  
  This so-called "tax" is just being shifted from voice to
  broadband.
  The FCC's job (as mandated by Congress) is to extend
  broadband to everyone. 
  
  Further, I don't agree that the FCC is trying to put us
  out of business. The
  USF tables have been heavily tilted against us because in
  the past (like
  5 years ago) WISPs were not a "player" at the government
  level. We
  were not organized enough then to show up and make our
  voice heard. Now we are
  organized, our voice is being heard and we're making
  pretty decent headway. I'd
  say we stick to our business of advocating effectively to
  advance our industry
  and leave the "tax and spend" gamesmanship to the
  professional
  politicians. 
  
  jack
  


  On 8/29/2012 11:24
AM, Forbes Mercy wrote:


  I wonder if it
would benefit us to send a "New
Tax Coming to a Constituent Near You" release where in
this era of taxes
being waged to pay off debt, a new tax is being proposed
by the FCC to the
broadband industry which will only serve to subsidize
the telephone industry
with broadband deriving zero benefit? Instead of
defensive it's a
pro-active move where politicians running under a no new
taxes platform will
have to roll it in.

I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've
felt all along the USF to
CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the Telco
industry to do a hostile
takeover of our broadband industry with government aid
and we shouldn't be
afraid to say it.

Forbes
    
On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote: 
  Throw out
that
word "tax" and everyone gets all excited but this is
really old news
and not really any news at all. Just the transition of
the USF program
(subsidies to extend phone service to rural areas) into
the CAF program where
the subsidies will now go to extend broadband service to
the boonies. WISPA has
made a ton of FCC filings on this already. Most of them
are defensive in nature
(preventing WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few are
offensive - trying to
open up the possibilities for WISPs that want subsidies
(most don't) to get
them. 

jack

  
  
On 8/28/2012
  1:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
  
  
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/

Jim Patient
Link
  Technologies, Inc.
314-735-0270
  x102
http://wlan1.com
  
h

Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

2012-08-28 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Throw out that word "tax" and
everyone gets all excited but this is really old news and not
really any news at all. Just the transition of the USF program
(subsidies to extend phone service to rural areas) into the CAF
program where the subsidies will now go to extend broadband
service to the boonies. WISPA has made a ton of FCC filings on
this already. Most of them are defensive in nature (preventing
WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few are offensive - trying to
open up the possibilities for WISPs that want subsidies (most
don't) to get them. 

jack


  
On 8/28/2012 1:20 PM, Jim Patient
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/

Jim Patient
Link Technologies, Inc.
314-735-0270 x102
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http://towercoverage.com
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Re: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report

2012-08-23 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
1. WISPs need to submit their
information. 

2. WISPs need to be diligent about working with their State
mapping agency to correct wrong information. 

No one else is going to do it for us. 



  
On 8/23/2012 2:59 PM, Ryan Ghering
  wrote:


  wow, they have my area as covered as NON-Rural DSL and Cable no
wireless links at all..

I think someone "fixed" the books on this info. As its completely BS..

1. everything out here in our area is Rural..
2. No wireless listed at ALL ( there are 2 providers ourselves and the
telco to the south of us)
3. The local cable company has only a handful of customers
4. says that over 3500 folks in my county have NO internet.. Complete
and total BS.. This is farm country and I'd PAY to find more than 50
homes that don't have internet.

Again.. the books have been cooked, thanks to either bad info or competition.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

  
if you hover over a county a popup chart on the right shows up and
displays the demographics for that county and % of broadband that is
Fiber, Cable, DSL, or fixed wireless.  both the counties we serve show
0% fixed wireless.

-sean


On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:


  Our coverage area is not displayed on that map.
Is it only including wireline providers?

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

  
Hi all,

Sorry for all the cross posts on multiple lists but this seems
troubling to me.  We submitted our coverage data to the state of
Colorado and they submitted our data for the national map.  However,
this FCC broadband deployment report includes this map which doesn't
show our coverage.

Report: http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report
Map: http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map

What gives???  WISPA???

Is anyone else noticing their coverage area is not included?

Best regards,


Sean Heskett
ZIRKEL Wireless
High-speed Internet

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Re: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report

2012-08-23 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Great! Keep working with the
mapping agency until they get it right.

  
On 8/23/2012 3:17 PM, Ryan Ghering
  wrote:


  We did submit, and have worked with the mapping agency in colorado a
number of times.. :(

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:

  
1. WISPs need to submit their information.

2. WISPs need to be diligent about working with their State mapping agency
to correct wrong information.

No one else is going to do it for us.



On 8/23/2012 2:59 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote:

wow, they have my area as covered as NON-Rural DSL and Cable no
wireless links at all..

I think someone "fixed" the books on this info. As its completely BS..

1. everything out here in our area is Rural..
2. No wireless listed at ALL ( there are 2 providers ourselves and the
telco to the south of us)
3. The local cable company has only a handful of customers
4. says that over 3500 folks in my county have NO internet.. Complete
and total BS.. This is farm country and I'd PAY to find more than 50
homes that don't have internet.

Again.. the books have been cooked, thanks to either bad info or
competition.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

if you hover over a county a popup chart on the right shows up and
displays the demographics for that county and % of broadband that is
Fiber, Cable, DSL, or fixed wireless.  both the counties we serve show
0% fixed wireless.

-sean


On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

Our coverage area is not displayed on that map.
Is it only including wireline providers?

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

Hi all,

Sorry for all the cross posts on multiple lists but this seems
troubling to me.  We submitted our coverage data to the state of
Colorado and they submitted our data for the national map.  However,
this FCC broadband deployment report includes this map which doesn't
show our coverage.

Report: http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report
Map: http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map

What gives???  WISPA???

Is anyone else noticing their coverage area is not included?

Best regards,


Sean Heskett
ZIRKEL Wireless
High-speed Internet

www.zirkelwireless.com
970-871-8500
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Re: [WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless?

2012-08-21 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Two points - 

1. Customer education. I think it's the job of each WISP to
educate their customers that the Internet is a huge network with
multiple hops needed to get anywhere. Yes; I know it seems
stupid to us to have to do this but much of the public is just
not aware so we need to help them understand.

2. Local and "Beyond Local" Testing - As part of our customer
education, we need to set up a local (at our NOC) speed test and
a "beyond our NOC" speed test link. That way, we can train the
customer to a) check approx. throughput to our NOC, and b) check
approx. throughput beyond our NOC. 

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On 8/21/2012 12:22 PM, Bret Clark
  wrote:


  
  We mostly deal with business customer and
guarantee bandwidth to customers. We validate the bandwidth
using IPERF from a Linux server off of our BGP edge routers down
to the customer and IPERF always shows the customer getting the
bandwidth they signed up for. We use QoS to control bandwidth
and make sure to not oversubscribe any one linksmall ratios
of 3:1. 

Of course eventually at some point the customer runs one of
those stupid bandwidth test on the Internet and the results are
woefully inaccurate (not in our favor)...but of course
customers take the results as gospel. AAA!

It's not our internet connections, we have three 100Mbps BGP
links and none of them run at more then 50% during peak loads.

  Has anyone else found those Internet speed
test to be woefully inaccurate? Or is something else going on
that I'm missing? 
  
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Re: [WISPA] List Traffic

2012-07-11 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
I agree. The real hot action
happens over on the Member's list. In comparison, traffic on the
open-to-everyone (wireless@wispa.org) list is just a small
fraction of all the good stuff over on the Member's list. 

On 6/29/2012 8:32 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
I believe list traffic on the general list which is
  publicly available to anyone (members or not) has been dropping
  significantly over time as more and more of the traffic has moved
  to the "members only" list servers within WISPA.
  Scriv
  
  
  On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Eric
Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com
wrote:

  

  Is this list dead? I havent
received an email since 6/18. 
  
  

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[WISPA] Need Help from San Francisco-San Jose WISP(s)

2012-06-19 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
The WISPA FCC Committee is
working on a project to determine what the impact would be if
the FCC allows a licensed (yes, there are licensed users in the
902-928 MHz band) location and monitoring service (LMS) company
to deploy 900 MHz networks across the country. The LMS company
has a test network deployed in the San Francisco- San Jose area.
If you are a WISP with a 900 MHz deployed in that area (the Bay
Area generally) please contact me on-list of off-list as soon as
possible. 

WISPA may need your assistance to test to see if the LMS network
interferes with your network. 

Thank you in advance. 

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Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF

2012-05-29 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
In fact, WISPA has already gone
on record AGAINST the current rule that a single company has to
provide both voice and data. WISPA asked the FCC to change the
rule so that CAF subsidies would be denied in "an area subject
to unsubsidized competition". What this means is that if an area
is already served with both voice and broadband data, even if
these services are provided by two separate companies, then no
one else should be able to receive subsidies to serve that area.


(Crack! "Base hit!! It's a double to center field!!")

jack

  
On 5/29/2012 9:40 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:

  Right.

And that's why we still have to fight they current rules as proposed.

We've made the statement that if any company offers un subsidized service 
then no one should get a tax payer funded leg up in the market.

Under the current rules a SINGLE company has to provide both *facilities 
based *voice and broadband without subsidies before the faucet is shut off 
to the USF/CAF recipient.

We're in the bottom of the 9th inning and we're down by a couple of runs, 2 
out full count and Casey is at bat.

Are we going to swing at the ball or just stand there and watch it fly by?

marlon


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At 5/25/2012 01:03 PM, Matt wrote:


  Perhaps anyone accepting money from these funds should be required to
wholesale there services at a discount such as dry loop dsl?  They
should also not be allowed to price under cut wholesalers for that to
work?



In fact, that *was* the rule.  Or at least they had to wholesale the
DSL, even if it was bundled with cheap POTS.  When the FCC detariffed
DSL in 2005, it was permissive, so the Bells could detariff while the
subsidized rural ILECs stayed on tariff in order to maximize their USF.

The new Connect America Fund rules make one major change -- they
allow the ILEC to detariff DSL, offer it only as a retail information
service, and still get subsidized.  That's how they want to "improve"
broadband availability.  Gee, do you think any telco lobbyists were
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[WISPA] http://spaceweather.com/

2012-03-09 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Apparently the sun is
continuing to throw off solar flares strong enough to possibly
effect the electrical power grid. Here's a site with the latest
information. 

http://spaceweather.com/

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Re: [WISPA] Providing Data to rescue/rebuilding teams during recovery/disaster sites

2012-02-22 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Correct. WISPA is already
forming an organization to formalize and coordinate WISPA's disaster
response capabilities. 

I think some kind of a tie-in between WISPA's disaster response
activities and Team Rubicon is certainly worthy of developing.
I'd suggest contacting Victoria Proffer (WISPA Board) to discuss
this further. 

jack

  
On 2/22/2012 2:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

  
  
  
  
  WISPA just started a national disaster
  response division to handle this type of thing.
  
  
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  22, 2012 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA]
  Providing Data to rescue/rebuilding teams during
  recovery/disaster sites


That's a good point Josh. I will get in touch with the
leadership at this company. 


Check them out if you'd like. ReturningVeterans started
  it, great idea.


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Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Couldn't
  they just reach the WISPA members list?
  
  http://www.wispa.org/member-directory
  
  Josh Luthman
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  On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   Hello All,
  
   Being that this list covers all 50 states, I
  wanted to throw out the idea of
   getting folks on-board and assembled to help a
  company that has a sole focus
   of providing relief/disaster response. These
  WISP's/Individuals would
   basically be on stand-by and would be able to
  assist if needed.
  
   If atornado event like Joplin took place, this
  company could call on the
   nearest WISP on the list to help bring up
  communications asap.
  
   Is this possible?
  
  
   Zach Mann
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[WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-01-26 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
In a sure sign that the
cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi, telecom
networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its
high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio,
sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the
mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have always favored
their own specialized and expensive cellular technologies to
meet growing mobile data demand rather than more generic but
much cheaper Wi-Fi tech...

http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-buy/

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Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale

2012-01-20 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Sheeesh. Now you tell me...

On 1/19/2012 9:05 PM, Adam Kennedy wrote:

  

  It helps when the convertible is larger than 1:10 scale.
  
  
  

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   It looks like they are calling fixed
wireless broadband "4G". See this http://www.keyon.com/investor-news/keyon-selects-alvarion-as-4g-wireless-last-mile-equipment-vendor-for-10-2-million-stimulus-award/.

I think that a lot of advertising these days is made up
of lies but it seems to me that KeyOn didn't help
themselves when they mis-used (to put it charitably) a
mobile broadband term to describe fixed wireless
broadband service. When you torture the truth long
enough, the blowback can hurt. 

By the way, can anyone tell me why that hot new red
convertible that I bought doesn't seem to be helping me
get any chicks? 

jack


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Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale

2012-01-18 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
It looks like they are calling
fixed wireless broadband "4G". See this http://www.keyon.com/investor-news/keyon-selects-alvarion-as-4g-wireless-last-mile-equipment-vendor-for-10-2-million-stimulus-award/.
I think that a lot of advertising these days is made up of lies
but it seems to me that KeyOn didn't help themselves when they
mis-used (to put it charitably) a mobile broadband term to
describe fixed wireless broadband service. When you torture the
truth long enough, the blowback can hurt. 

By the way, can anyone tell me why that hot new red convertible
that I bought doesn't seem to be helping me get any chicks? 

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Re: [WISPA] Chicago TDWR down for maintenance

2011-12-15 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Given that the contractor we
hired did not find the interference, it doesn't seem appropriate
to publicize his name at this time. If he had been successful,
he likely would want some favorable publicity. We will respect
his request to not give his name out. 

jack

  
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  All I wanted to know is who WISPA hired to find the 
interference, I didn't mean anything conspiracy theory about 
asking. I apologize if anything other than the simple who did 
the sweeping conjured up anything other than.

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The interference in Vegas went away and we never found where it 

  
  came from.

  
Scriv


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j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


  As far as I can see on wunderground.com it looks to be 


  
  cleared up.

  

  Didn't hear any word from WISPA.

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  rube...@gmail.com wrote:

  

  
Is the Las Vegas radar still suffering interference ?


Rubens


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  http://tinyurl.com/7lzyts8

Interesting.

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Re: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS

2011-11-28 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Bob,

Yes.

jack

  
On 11/28/2011 9:46 AM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

  
  Rick
  
  Are they still looking for this signal?
  
  Bob
  
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From: "Rick Harnish" rharn...@wispa.org
To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS
VEGAS
Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 11:03 am

  
  
  
Chris,

Would you be
willing to share any knowledge of other operators
in the Las Vegas area that may be using this spectrum?
Please contact me
offlist.

Respectfully,

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  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of C.J.
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  Subject: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR
  INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS

  
  
  Just FYI, here at LV.Net(lasvegas.net) I have just
completed a audit of every radio
i use and there a bunch of TLink-45s using frequencies close
to there but none
within 40mhz of that frequency and the max they can use is
6dbm.
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  


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Re: [WISPA] EHS Guy wire pricing

2011-10-02 Thread Jack Unger

  
  
Why so large? If I recall
correctly, we used to use 3/16 EHS on towers up to 100 ft or so.
Unless you're putting up a 1000-ft tower, 7/16 or 1/2 seems like
overkill, not to mention it will be more difficult to work with.


jack
  
On 10/2/2011 6:34 AM, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
Do the following seem like reasonable prices per foot
  for EHS guy wire?
  I will probably need around 3500 feet or so.


7/16" $0.71/ft
1/2"  $0.95/ft


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Re: [WISPA] Arkansas Heatwave

2011-06-06 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Carl,

As Moto suggests, try installation white "sun shield" over the
APs. That should drop the temperatures. 

jack
  
On 6/6/2011 8:38 AM, Carl Shivers wrote:

  
  
  
  
We are having a serious heat wave here in
  Little Rock. Our APs are running in the red in relation to
  specs; not failing yet, but close. We think one of our tower
  sites is having problems. It is now 10:30a and the APs are
  running at 150 degrees.


I dont think there is a solution, but I
  thought I would ask. Motorola said that about the only thing
  we might try is to build some sort of covering above the AP to
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Re: [WISPA] Arkansas Heatwave

2011-06-06 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Carl,

Yes; try installing white "sun shields" to shade the APs,
assuming you are using external antennas and that there is
clearance above the APs for the sun shields. 

jack

  
On 6/6/2011 8:38 AM, Carl Shivers wrote:

  
  
  
  
We are having a serious heat wave here in
  Little Rock. Our APs are running in the red in relation to
  specs; not failing yet, but close. We think one of our tower
  sites is having problems. It is now 10:30a and the APs are
  running at 150 degrees.


I dont think there is a solution, but I
  thought I would ask. Motorola said that about the only thing
  we might try is to build some sort of covering above the AP to
  create shade.
  
  




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Re: [WISPA] Jack's long lost relative?

2011-05-26 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Hmmm, you could be right. Seems
we both have an overabundance of humor genes...

On 5/25/2011 11:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] (no subject)

2011-05-24 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
It depends on the quality of
the receivers. Most receivers in use today will not have
sufficient selectivity to be able to receive the desired signal
if two 100KW stations are spaced as closely as you describe.
87.5 and 87.7 are right next to each other so many receivers
will hear them both at the same time. The frequencies need to be
spread apart more. A small town or village should 1) use lower
power transmitters - 100 KW is way too much power, and 2) spread
the frequencies out more. In a small town, there should be
plenty of available frequency space to spread the transmit
frequencies out. 

jack

  
On 5/25/2011 12:42 PM, Itaaka Tebaka wrote:

  
  
  
  
Hello all 

Can anybody on the list assist or point out
  links to find out more on FM radio (87.5  108MHz) band plan
  and regulations regarding the FM radio stations and it
  transmitters. 

My question is In practical what is the
  minimum distance (FM zone) between FM stations and the
  transmitter power output can be used without causing any
  interference between the 2 stations, say station A operating
  on 87.5MHz and station B operating on 87.7MHz within the same
  small town/village. What is the minimum spacing (KHz) can be
  used if the 2 stations operate in the same town each operating
  on 100KW

Thank you in advance 


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[WISPA] Fwd: [WISPA Members] FCC USF Panel today

2011-04-27 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
I thought it important that all
WISPs read Matt's report about his FCC testimony today so (after
asking Matt's permission) I'm forwarding his email and hoping
that all have a chance to read it. 

jack

  
 Original Message 

  

  Subject: 
  [WISPA Members] FCC USF Panel today


  Date: 
  Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:01:23 -0600


  From: 
  mlar...@inventivemedia.net


  Reply-To:
  
  memb...@wispa.org


  To: 
  memb...@wispa.org

  



Hi all,

I thought I would drop in a few comments about the FCC’s USF workshop
that is going on today.   

Today’s workshop is focusing on the technical aspects of delivering
broadband.The morning panel that I participated in included
representatives from Adtran (telco), CableLabs (cable), Juniper (mobile
wireless), ViaSat (satellite) and an economist from CostQuest.

I had an opportunity to have a brief visit with Zach Katz, who is one of
Chairman Genachowski’s assistants,  and then had a couple of minutes with
the Chairman to talk about WISPs deploying broadband without any subsidies.
 

One of the big victories in my mind, was that during the introduction to
the panel and throughout the discussion, fixed wireless was mentioned
repeatedly.   We are having some success getting the message out that fixed
wireless is different than mobile wireless.   Commissioner McDowell made
some comments about USF disappearing, which I think most WISPA members
would like to see.I was surprised to hear that from a commissioner.

I was originally slated to go second to last, but the cards were shuffled
and I ended up leading off.   My opening comments are published on my
Wireless Cowboys blog here:  http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=173I had
to tone down my usual disdain for toy broadband mobile wireless and
satellite and hatred of USF, but  I thought that I made solid points about
the performance and cost advantages of fixed wireless.The rest of the
panelists were engineers and did not provide any real solid numbers about
cost of deployment.   I felt like my comments set a good tone for the rest
of the discussion and made a strong case for fixed wireless as being the
most cost effective and easiest to implement solution for delivering
broadband to unserved and underserved areas.

At no point during the discussion did I say that fixed wireless providers
needed to be getting subsidies.   My opening comments asked for fixed
wireless to get consideration during the development of the CAF.   
Consideration includes NOT subsidizing less capable (mobile
wireless/satellite) or more expensive (fiber/telco) technologies.   Zach
Katz mentioned that we need to do a better job of reporting our coverage
areas so that USF/CAF program doesn’t subsidize projects that will
overlap us.   This echoes previous feedback from the FCC that we need to do
a better job of reporting to the government and advertising to the public.

We were asked about what was the biggest problem we are facing right now. 
Online video was at the top of the list.   There was good discussion about
that, and I also brought up the need for more access to middle mile in
order to meet increasing consumer demands.   I mentioned that most WISPs
would rather put up their own middle mile than “deal with the devil”
and buy access from the telcos.

There is a comment that I made about fixed wireless being an excellent
transitional bridge toward the end goal of fiber to every home.   I have
seen a couple of negative responses to that comment.The point I am
making is that it makes more sense to put in fixed wireless now to deal
with getting broadband to the people that don’t have it, so that they
have SOMETHING instead of waiting the years or decades it will take for
fiber to be installed at their homes.

Everything was pretty civil, but I did toss a “grenade” at the end
where I doubted that mobile wireless and satellite were going to be able to
meet the 4/1 standard.   

I have a few meetings lined up with people here tonight and tomorrow
morning and will continue to push the WISPA / fixed wireless agendas.

It was a big honor to represent WISPs at this event today.   I am so proud
of what WISPs have done and are doing and it felt great to get in the ring
and throw a few punches.   

Thank you to all of you who support WISPA.I can’t even tell you how
much it means to me.

Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] Always climb with a buddy......

2011-03-16 Thread Jack Unger


  
  

On 3/16/2011 10:07 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

  From the sounds of it, a "buddy" may have wacked him and stashed the
body up there!
But then again, I'm sure many of you climb alone in your underwear in
the dead of winter.


... rugged individualists that you are...

  


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Re: [WISPA] band pass filters

2011-03-14 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
A single-channel bandpass
filter will help most poor-to-middling receivers by protecting
it from overloading from the off-channel signals that the cheap
receiver front-end would otherwise let come barging in,
desensitizing the receiver and reducing the signal-to-noise
ratio. 

  
On 3/14/2011 5:53 AM, Rogelio wrote:

  For what it's worth, I had a super noisy Wi-Fi noise environment
(hundreds of clients, dozens of APs, little to no channel
coordination, etc) and got a handle on the situation by putting these
band pass filters

http://www.rflinx.com/products/filters/2400/bpf/

I got several of each, but I ended up using channel 1 mostly.  When I
put that puppy in, I got like 40 dB less noise on the channels I
didn't want, and I also could not even hear other APs when I moved the
radio to channels 2-11 (there is that much isolation in the filter).

Now throughput is much smoother and higher.  Before I put these in,
bandwidth would be slow and come in spurts (as evidenced by various
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Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] HAM Operators

2011-03-13 Thread Jack Unger
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Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] HAM Operators

2011-03-13 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Licensed amateur radio
operators are encouraged to join the WISPA Amateur Radio Group
(WARG). 

Email your call sign and WISPA Member-company name (the group is
for WISPA Members only) to w...@wispa.org

jack
  
On 3/12/2011 3:00 PM, Leon Zetekoff wrote:

  On 3/12/2011 5:03 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:

  
Jack is working on a WISPA HAM Op group ;-)
I think ...

Jack?

~V~

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Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] HAM Operators

+1
Sent from my BlackBerryR

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Re: [WISPA] 5 GHz FCC Webinar for WISP Community

2011-02-28 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Excellent point - Thanks.
  
  jack
  

On 2/28/2011 7:35 AM, David E. Smith wrote:

  
  
  On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 20:43, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
wrote:

   We're talking with the FCC about having them do a 5 GHz
webinar for the WISP community to address issues like:

  



Please make sure this addresses the whole of 5GHz, not just
  that little mystery space in 5.4-5.6. To this day, I'm still
  not completely certain what all the rules are for 5.2/5.3 and
  5.8. Power limits, PtP versus PtMP, the whole routine.


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[WISPA] 5 GHz FCC Webinar for WISP Community

2011-02-24 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
We're talking with the FCC about having them do
  a 5 GHz webinar for the WISP community to address issues like:
  
  1. TDWR Update
  
  2. TDWR Interference-Avoidance Techniques
  
  3. Software Configuration (what's allowed; what's not in 5 GHz)
  
  4. Antenna Replacement (what's allowed; what's not in 5 GHz)
  
  This webinar would come directly from the FCC Lab personnel so
  questions about equipment certification, what's legal to build up
  (Mikrotik, Star OS, UBNT, etc.) are good.
  
  What other topics would everyone like to hear about?
  
  jack
  

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Re: [WISPA] White space deployments.

2011-02-23 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Suggest you contact SpectrumBridge http://www.spectrumbridge.com/Home.aspx




On 2/23/2011 11:08 AM, William Phipps wrote:

  Folks,

I wondered if anyone has any experience of deploying a white space
(mobile wireless) network?

I am looking into deploying a test locally and am trying to figure out
what components are required, assuming I can get the necessary
licensing permission from Ofcom (UK equivalent to FCC) to access the
unlicensed spectrum. I noticed a test network was set up in
Wilmington, North Carolina; I would be looking into how I may
establish a similar test of white space technology and am keen to get
in contact with anyone that can help.

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[WISPA] Puerto Rico - $25,000 FCC TDWR Enforcement Action

2011-02-18 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
An FCC announcement today reported that FCC
  enforcement action led it to a 
  company in San Juan Puerto Rico that was interfering with the TDWR
  system that serves the San Juan International Airport.
  
  The company was fined $25,000 for
  
  1. Using equipment on an frequency that the equipment was not
  certified to 
  operate on.
  
  2. Operating without DFS.
  
  3. Repeatedly and willfully violating the Communications Act and
  Part 15 rules.
  
  
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-11-306A1.doc
  
  
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[WISPA] $25,0000 FCC TDWR Enforcement Action

2011-02-11 Thread Jack Unger

An FCC announcement today reported that FCC enforcement action led to a Utah 
company that was interfering with the TDWR system that serves the Salt Lake 
City 
International Airport.

The company was fined $25,000 for

1. Using equipment on an frequency that the equipment was not certified to 
operate on.

2. Running excessive power.

3. Disabling DFS.

4. Repeatedly and willfully violating the Communications Act and Part 15 rules.


http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-11-273A1.pdf

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-11-273A1.doc

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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-10 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Marco, 

Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way
that may cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken
seriously. If you would like me to re-write a future letter for you
so that it makes it's points in a more considerate way, I'll be
happy to help you with that. 

I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go
to make elected officials aware that "all wireless isn't mobile".
They seem unaware that WISPs supply FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND and
that mobile broadband is (like Matt Larsen says) "toy broadband". 

Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together
and get our message about the benefits of FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND
out to Congress?

jack


On 2/10/2011 2:27 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:

  Here's some more:
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama
  
  
  my response:
  
  Dear Mr. President,
  
  I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP)
  company. I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and
  tears for over 13 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of
  previously unsupported areas. So far your broadband stimulus
  moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause interference
  from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up. 
  
  Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years,
  but it's still adds more work for those who have to live through
  it. We may even do pretty well buying up all that equipment that
  was purchased with the peoples monies and squandered.
  
  Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money,
  it came with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio
  spectrum, also an asset of the people, you should designate more
  of it for the unlicensed bands that us WISPs use.
  
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-09 Thread Jack Unger
. A third possibility is that all new equipment
 might
 have to automatically log into a geo-location database (similar to the TV
 White
 Space database) and receive a list of allowable frequencies. Nearby TDWR
 frequencies and a guard band around the TDWR frequency range would be
 prohibited.

 The FCC OET has agreed to meet with us to listen to and discuss our
 suggestions
 about ways to address the problem and what new rules should be proposed in
 the
 NPRM. I’ve prepared a short online survey for WISPA Members to see what new
 rules they prefer and what suggestions they have. Please take a few minutes
 today to review this survey and give me your feedback before I publish this
 survey to our Members. I expect that there will be a variety of opinions and
 possibly additional solutions. WISPA’s policy will be guided by whatever the
 majority of WISPA Members say they want.

 Here’s the link to the survey  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HPCC7BL

 Most of us do not want new rules and regulations however the bottom line is
 that
 we need to save this spectrum. 110 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum is too valuable to
 just
 give up. We have to fight too hard to acquire spectrum; it wouldn’t be right
 for
 all of us to lose 110 MHz of spectrum because of the actions of a few
 noncompliant operators.

 As always, thank-you for your help.

 Jack Unger
 Chair - WISPA FCC Committee
 818-227-4220


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[WISPA] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Jack Unger

In spite of the noteworthy efforts on the part of many WISP operators and in 
spite of a temporary decrease in the levels of TDWR interference reported to us 
by the FCC, the TDWR interference situation has unfortunately deteriorated. The 
FCC now reports that some locations (New York, Chicago, Denver and Dallas) that 
were recently “cleared” of interference are once again experiencing significant 
interference problems. The TDWR interference in San Juan Puerto Rico is so bad 
that the TDWR system had to be shut off by the FAA. This is not good news 
because the FAA is pushing the FCC to solve these interference problems once 
and 
for all.

Voluntary database registration has unfortunately not proven to be effective 
enough. There are still some operators who apparently have not heard about the 
TDWR interference problem and some who have simply failed to bring and keep 
their systems in compliance. On the supply-chain side, there are several 
manufacturers and distributors who did take positive, affirmative and 
responsible action to help address the problem however they were they in the 
minority. Most manufacturers and distributors did not “step up to the plate” 
with customer education or software upgrades. Because airline safety is a very 
important issue, it only takes a few “bad actors” to cause significant problems 
for everyone else.

The FCC is under strong pressure to take steps to solve the interference 
problem 
for good. The FCC Office of Engineering and Technology has started drafting a 
Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM). We don’t know yet what new rules the FCC 
will propose. They could require that the 5570 to 5680 frequency range be 
“notched out” for all new equipment. This would mean that we would lose the use 
of 110 MHz of spectrum. Another possibility is that TDWR database registration 
will be required of all WISPs instead the current voluntary registration for 
WISPs located near TDWRs. A third possibility is that all new equipment might 
have to automatically log into a geo-location database (similar to the TV White 
Space database) and receive a list of allowable frequencies. Nearby TDWR 
frequencies and a guard band around the TDWR frequency range would be 
prohibited.

The FCC OET has agreed to meet with us to listen to and discuss our suggestions 
about ways to address the problem and what new rules should be proposed in the 
NPRM. I’ve prepared a short online survey for WISPA Members to see what new 
rules they prefer and what suggestions they have. Please take a few minutes 
today to review this survey and give me your feedback before I publish this 
survey to our Members. I expect that there will be a variety of opinions and 
possibly additional solutions. WISPA’s policy will be guided by whatever the 
majority of WISPA Members say they want.

Here’s the link to the survey  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HPCC7BL

Most of us do not want new rules and regulations however the bottom line is 
that 
we need to save this spectrum. 110 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum is too valuable to 
just 
give up. We have to fight too hard to acquire spectrum; it wouldn’t be right 
for 
all of us to lose 110 MHz of spectrum because of the actions of a few 
noncompliant operators.

As always, thank-you for your help.

Jack Unger
Chair - WISPA FCC Committee
818-227-4220

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Jack Unger
Comments inline.

jack


On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote:
 Copied to both lists to stimulate comments on this...

 done.

 Some serious enforcement is in order.  Major fines for repeated
 offense...  $100K or more for 2nd offense...
Last month we recommended to the FCC OET that they publicize actions against 
offenders who they locate. This would help get the message out that this is a 
serious problem and that enforcement is in fact taking place.
 I'd rather see the TDWR band notched out than any kind of required GPS
 and database...
Notching may be the ultimate outcome for all new equipment. The disadvantage is 
that notching deprives everyone from using the spectrum, even the 90% of 
operators who are nowhere near a TDWR system.
 Maybe then we can get the rest of the band back to non-DFS rules.  And
 they can stop lumping 5180-5320 into these rules as well.
It's unlikely DFS will ever go away because there are military radars 
throughout 
the 5250 - 5600 range and DFS will always be needed to avoid interfering with 
them.
 And since we are talking about new rules...

 What is going on with the 3.65 stuff?  I still think we need some kind
 of license enforcement there...
WISPA recently had it's first 3650 Steering Committee meeting and it was agreed 
that major work (education, best practices, possible rules changes, etc.) is 
needed because the interference situation is getting way out of hand. There are 
also more and more illegal (unlicensed) bootleggers using the band. One 
solution (among many) is to use a regional email list to coordinate between 
different operators. This is in use now in Phoenix.

jack

 On 2/8/2011 4:47 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
 In spite of the noteworthy efforts on the part of many WISP operators and in
 spite of a temporary decrease in the levels of TDWR interference reported to 
 us
 by the FCC, the TDWR interference situation has unfortunately deteriorated. 
 The
 FCC now reports that some locations (New York, Chicago, Denver and Dallas) 
 that
 were recently “cleared” of interference are once again experiencing 
 significant
 interference problems. The TDWR interference in San Juan Puerto Rico is so 
 bad
 that the TDWR system had to be shut off by the FAA. This is not good news
 because the FAA is pushing the FCC to solve these interference problems once 
 and
 for all.

 Voluntary database registration has unfortunately not proven to be effective
 enough. There are still some operators who apparently have not heard about 
 the
 TDWR interference problem and some who have simply failed to bring and keep
 their systems in compliance. On the supply-chain side, there are several
 manufacturers and distributors who did take positive, affirmative and
 responsible action to help address the problem however they were they in the
 minority. Most manufacturers and distributors did not “step up to the plate”
 with customer education or software upgrades. Because airline safety is a 
 very
 important issue, it only takes a few “bad actors” to cause significant 
 problems
 for everyone else.

 The FCC is under strong pressure to take steps to solve the interference 
 problem
 for good. The FCC Office of Engineering and Technology has started drafting a
 Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM). We don’t know yet what new rules the 
 FCC
 will propose. They could require that the 5570 to 5680 frequency range be
 “notched out” for all new equipment. This would mean that we would lose the 
 use
 of 110 MHz of spectrum. Another possibility is that TDWR database 
 registration
 will be required of all WISPs instead the current voluntary registration for
 WISPs located near TDWRs. A third possibility is that all new equipment might
 have to automatically log into a geo-location database (similar to the TV 
 White
 Space database) and receive a list of allowable frequencies. Nearby TDWR
 frequencies and a guard band around the TDWR frequency range would be 
 prohibited.

 The FCC OET has agreed to meet with us to listen to and discuss our 
 suggestions
 about ways to address the problem and what new rules should be proposed in 
 the
 NPRM. I’ve prepared a short online survey for WISPA Members to see what new
 rules they prefer and what suggestions they have. Please take a few minutes
 today to review this survey and give me your feedback before I publish this
 survey to our Members. I expect that there will be a variety of opinions and
 possibly additional solutions. WISPA’s policy will be guided by whatever the
 majority of WISPA Members say they want.

 Here’s the link to the survey   http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HPCC7BL

 Most of us do not want new rules and regulations however the bottom line is 
 that
 we need to save this spectrum. 110 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum is too valuable to 
 just
 give up. We have to fight too hard to acquire spectrum; it wouldn’t be right 
 for
 all of us to lose 110 MHz of spectrum because of the actions of a few
 noncompliant operators.

 As always, thank-you

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Jack Unger
Charles,

My new comments are preceded by jau.

jack


On 2/8/2011 7:14 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
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 On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
 Comments inline.

 jack


 On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote:
 Some serious enforcement is in order.  Major fines for repeated
 offense...  $100K or more for 2nd offense...
 Last month we recommended to the FCC OET that they publicize actions against
 offenders who they locate. This would help get the message out that this is a
 serious problem and that enforcement is in fact taking place.
 Is that covered at http://fcc.gov/eb/Orders/Welcome.html or
 http://fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/ ?
jau I don't know how or if the FCC has acted on our recommendations but I'll 
ask them for more information when we meet with them this Friday.
 I'd rather see the TDWR band notched out than any kind of required GPS
 and database...
 Notching may be the ultimate outcome for all new equipment. The disadvantage 
 is
 that notching deprives everyone from using the spectrum, even the 90% of
 operators who are nowhere near a TDWR system.
 Very true.

 What is going on with the 3.65 stuff?  I still think we need some kind
 of license enforcement there...
 Why?
jau That was not my comment - best to ask Blair about that.
 WISPA recently had it's first 3650 Steering Committee meeting and it was 
 agreed
 that major work (education, best practices, possible rules changes, etc.) is
 needed because the interference situation is getting way out of hand.
 Hmmm. Interesting. That's news to me.
jau Well, that's what one very large and responsible operator reported.
 Where does one see info about the
 violations?
jau As I stated above, I don't know where the current info is published but I 
will ask the FCC.
 Is it happening on private lists or something?
jau Some is on the private Phoenix email list. I think I've also seen 
interference posts on WISPA's lists but I don't recall the details. You can 
always just ask if anyone is experiencing 365 interference and see what 
responses people give.
 I don't
 recall any complaints on the WISPA general list about it.

   There are
 also more and more illegal (unlicensed) bootleggers using the band. One
 solution (among many) is to use a regional email list to coordinate between
 different operators. This is in use now in Phoenix.
 H. Well illegal/unlicensed use is a clear enforcement action and
 should be referred to the FCC EB.
jau We can't expect much enforcement action from the FCC on 3.65. 1) They 
have 
a very limited enforcement budget that is reserved for interference that is 
caused to (fully) licensed services, 2) They expect us to police ourselves, not 
turn to them.
 Coordination among entities... as I
 recall that was very vague in the RO.
jau Yes it is vague although we supported a filing by the Fixed Wireless 
Communications Coalition last year to make it less vague. Because it is vague, 
it's really up to us, not the FCC. If we don't demonstrate that we can make 
3.65 
litely-licensed spectrum work then we should not hold out of getting any more 
in 
the future.

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Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Jack Unger
Bret,

Sure sounds like radar to me.

jack


On 2/7/2011 5:18 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
 It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which
 is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air.  I don't
 think this is a consumer device causing the problem.

 On 02/07/2011 03:10 AM, RickG wrote:
 There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;(

 On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-30chat.net   
 wrote:
 5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case
 it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the
 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck).

 On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clarkbcl...@spectraaccess.com   
 wrote:
 I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would
 anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the 5GHz
 range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times
 throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like
 a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The
 frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can
 go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the weekends
 or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of
 the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our
 hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other
 operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even
 contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but
 they say they are not doing anything.

 Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe!

 Bret

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 25 Lowell Street
 Manchester, NH 03101
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Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Jack Unger
It could be mobile military radars or during National Guard exercises, etc. 
What 
freqs are you using in the band? Does your mountain installation overlook any 
military training areas?

On 2/7/2011 9:11 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
 That's what I'm thinking but you'd think it would be happening
 continuously. Yet we'll go several months without so much as a peep and
 then boom...we are in interference hell. Had the problem again this
 weekend, started Friday night, on and off all weekend, then Sunday night
 everything is find again. I'm running out of hair to pull out of my head
 at this point!

 Bret

 On 02/07/2011 12:05 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
 Bret,

 Sure sounds like radar to me.

 jack


 On 2/7/2011 5:18 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
 It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which
 is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air.  I don't
 think this is a consumer device causing the problem.

 On 02/07/2011 03:10 AM, RickG wrote:
 There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;(

 On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-30chat.net 
 wrote:
 5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case
 it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the
 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck).

 On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clarkbcl...@spectraaccess.com 
 wrote:
 I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would
 anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the 5GHz
 range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times
 throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like
 a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The
 frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can
 go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the weekends
 or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of
 the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our
 hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other
 operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even
 contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but
 they say they are not doing anything.

 Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe!

 Bret

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 Spectra Access
 25 Lowell Street
 Manchester, NH 03101
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Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Jack Unger
Yes; their radars would be high-powered (perhaps megawatts). From your 
mountaintop location, you could have line-of-sight for 100 miles or more. If 
their radar was airborne, you could have LOS for 200 miles. Please keep us 
posted on what you turn up.

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On 2/7/2011 11:17 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
 Hh...that just set off a light bulb...none in the immediate
 area, but I'm sure their stuff would be high powered enough to reach
 some distance. Something we are going to look into further.


 On 02/07/2011 02:04 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
 It could be mobile military radars or during National Guard exercises, etc. 
 What
 freqs are you using in the band? Does your mountain installation overlook any
 military training areas?

 On 2/7/2011 9:11 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
 That's what I'm thinking but you'd think it would be happening
 continuously. Yet we'll go several months without so much as a peep and
 then boom...we are in interference hell. Had the problem again this
 weekend, started Friday night, on and off all weekend, then Sunday night
 everything is find again. I'm running out of hair to pull out of my head
 at this point!

 Bret

 On 02/07/2011 12:05 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
 Bret,

 Sure sounds like radar to me.

 jack


 On 2/7/2011 5:18 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
 It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which
 is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air.  I don't
 think this is a consumer device causing the problem.

 On 02/07/2011 03:10 AM, RickG wrote:
 There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;(

 On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-30chat.net
wrote:
 5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case
 it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the
 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck).

 On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clarkbcl...@spectraaccess.com
wrote:
 I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would
 anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the 
 5GHz
 range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times
 throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like
 a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The
 frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can
 go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the 
 weekends
 or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of
 the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our
 hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other
 operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even
 contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but
 they say they are not doing anything.

 Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe!

 Bret

 Bret Clark
 Spectra Access
 25 Lowell Street
 Manchester, NH 03101
 www.spectraaccess.net


 
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Re: [WISPA] New location

2011-01-31 Thread Jack Unger
5150 - 5250 Indoor only
5250 - 5350 Indoor or outdoor

On 1/31/2011 9:04 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 Have a new potential site that has sine wireless equipment that shows up on 
 the spectrum analyzer from 5215-5255. Is that legal?

 Sent from my iPhone4


 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

2011-01-28 Thread Jack Unger
I don't know but this link might yield more information. 
http://twitter.com/#search?q=egypt

jack


On 1/28/2011 1:06 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 Does anyone know if the PSTN is still operating in Egypt?

 I'm trying to get ahold of my sister who was attending school there. I 
 received one email a few days ago just as the riots were starting, but 
 haven't heard anything since.

 The landline and cell numbers I had for her are either no good, or out due to 
 phone infrastructure failure. I haven't called them in a while. Usually we 
 just email or Skype.

 --
 Blake Covarrubias

 On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

 At 1/28/2011 08:13 AM, BobM wrote:

 BTW. Great article this month in 2843$ '!=!83 !+975 ! _856 8 Romania 
 that has more Western Union offices than New York has Starbucks all due to 
 Internet scams
 Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
 Yes, 2843$ '!=!83 !+975 ! _856 8 is one of my favorite newspapers too.
 ;-)

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

2011-01-28 Thread Jack Unger
Here's more http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/


On 1/28/2011 1:50 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
 I don't know but this link might yield more information.
 http://twitter.com/#search?q=egypt

 jack


 On 1/28/2011 1:06 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 Does anyone know if the PSTN is still operating in Egypt?

 I'm trying to get ahold of my sister who was attending school there. I 
 received one email a few days ago just as the riots were starting, but 
 haven't heard anything since.

 The landline and cell numbers I had for her are either no good, or out due 
 to phone infrastructure failure. I haven't called them in a while. Usually 
 we just email or Skype.

 --
 Blake Covarrubias

 On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

 At 1/28/2011 08:13 AM, BobM wrote:

 BTW. Great article this month in 2843$ '!=!83 !+975 ! _856 8 Romania 
 that has more Western Union offices than New York has Starbucks all due to 
 Internet scams
 Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
 Yes, 2843$ '!=!83 !+975 ! _856 8 is one of my favorite newspapers too.
 ;-)

 (Hmmm, the Droid doesn't have a numeric row on its hard keyboard; it uses 
 something reminiscent of the LTRS/FIGS shift on the 3-row Baudot keyboards 
 of the past.)
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[WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

2011-01-27 Thread Jack Unger
Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.

***
Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action unprecedented in 
Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered service 
providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet. Critical 
European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected for 
now. 
But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe, website, 
school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four Egyptian 
ISPs 
for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world. Link 
Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their customers and 
partners are, for the moment, off the air.

At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually simultaneous 
withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in the Internet's global routing 
table. Approximately 3,500 individual BGP routes were withdrawn, leaving no 
valid paths by which the rest of the world could continue to exchange Internet 
traffic with Egypt's service providers. Virtually all of Egypt's Internet 
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[WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected

2011-01-26 Thread Jack Unger
The FCC today announced the selection of nine TV White Space database 
administrators. This brings us one step closer to being able to deploy TVWS 
networks (once the databases are online and equipment is available).

Here's a link to the announcement:

http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0126/DA-11-131A1.pdf

More details later after reading the announcement in full.

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Re: [WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected

2011-01-26 Thread Jack Unger
Yes

On 1/26/2011 2:03 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote:
 So 9 parties applied and 9 were selected?

 Dylan

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 Subject: [WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected

 The FCC today announced the selection of nine TV White Space database
 administrators. This brings us one step closer to being able to deploy
 TVWS
 networks (once the databases are online and equipment is available).

 Here's a link to the announcement:

 http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0126/DA-11-131A
 1.pdf

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[WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn

2011-01-25 Thread Jack Unger
The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains no 
added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any machinery 
that also processes eggs or nuts.

*

House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force 
companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child 
pornography.

Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be 
forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help 
combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring 
they do so for two years...

LINK: 
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies-must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn


***


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Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation

2011-01-18 Thread Jack Unger

On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies.
Yes
 I know it typically has a high noise floor.
Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal.
 I've never used it outdoor for real world experience.

 I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more
 than 300 people or so (some much smaller).  They are old, so they have
 adult trees.  Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these
 homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower?
ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the 
trees or else...


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Re: [WISPA] Clarification for TDWR registration

2011-01-13 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Josh,

The band is 5470 to 5725. This includes the 5600-5650 part that the
TDWRs use. 

If you are within 30 km of a TDWR, you should stay at least 30 MHz
away from it (below and above). For example, if the TDWR is at 5610
then you should exclude 5580 to 5640. If you are further away but
within line-of-sight of the TDWR (like on a high mountain) you
should also stay 30 MHz away. 

Did I say that clearly?

jack


On 1/13/2011 6:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
In regards to this voluntary database:
  
  http://spectrumbridge.com/udrs/home.aspx
  
  Are you looking for anything operating in the 5.4 band or anything
  in the 5.x (5.2 to 5.7) band?
  
  I personally have nothing close (RF wise) to TDWR. Closest being
  5715 (75 Mhz away).
  
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  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Clarification for TDWR registration

2011-01-13 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Josh,

There is clear value to the WISP industry if you register your base
station locations because - 

1. There is a serious interference problem to TDWRs. The FAA
desperately wants to end this problem. 

2. The FAA is pressuring the FCC to take action to end the problem.


3. The current "solution" is to ask WISPs to register their (base)
station locations in the database. Doing so gives the FCC a visible
sign to point to and to show the FAA that the problem is being
resolved because, in theory, having base stations (or both ends of a
point-to-point link) registered allows the FAA/FCC direction-finding
enforcement teams to quickly rule out registered WISPs as the source
of a problem, thus making their job of finding the actual
interference source that much quicker. 

So even if you are staying clear of a TDWR frequency, registering
still helps to show the FAA and FCC that the WISP industry is
cooperating in the effort to end the TDWR interference problem.

jack


On 1/13/2011 7:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Jack,
  
  That is clear and I am practicing that. My concern was the
  database.
  
  Would it help to know I have nothing near those frequencies? Is
  it only for people operating 30-100 Mhz within a TDWR? I guess I
  just miss the point of the website. If operators stay away from
  the "bad" frequencies what's the point of the website?
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  
  
  On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Jack
Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
wrote:

   Josh,

The band is 5470 to 5725. This includes the 5600-5650 part
that the TDWRs use. 

If you are within 30 km of a TDWR, you should stay at least
30 MHz away from it (below and above). For example, if the
TDWR is at 5610 then you should exclude 5580 to 5640. If you
are further away but within line-of-sight of the TDWR (like
on a high mountain) you should also stay 30 MHz away. 

Did I say that clearly?

jack

  


On 1/13/2011 6:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: 


  
In regards to this voluntary database:
  
  http://spectrumbridge.com/udrs/home.aspx
  
  Are you looking for anything operating in the 5.4 band
  or anything in the 5.x (5.2 to 5.7) band?
  
  I personally have nothing close (RF wise) to TDWR.
  Closest being 5715 (75 Mhz away).
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  
  



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Re: [WISPA] Clarification for TDWR registration

2011-01-13 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Don't register gear operating in 5725-5850. Only register gear
operating in 5470-5725. 

On 1/13/2011 10:43 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
So regarding 3 - register everything in the 5Ghz band?
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  
  
  On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Jack
Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
wrote:

   Josh,

There is clear value to the WISP industry if you register
your base station locations because - 

1. There is a serious interference problem to TDWRs. The FAA
desperately wants to end this problem. 

2. The FAA is pressuring the FCC to take action to end the
problem. 

3. The current "solution" is to ask WISPs to register their
(base) station locations in the database. Doing so gives the
FCC a visible sign to point to and to show the FAA that the
problem is being resolved because, in theory, having base
stations (or both ends of a point-to-point link) registered
allows the FAA/FCC direction-finding enforcement teams to
quickly rule out registered WISPs as the source of a
problem, thus making their job of finding the actual
interference source that much quicker. 

So even if you are staying clear of a TDWR frequency,
registering still helps to show the FAA and FCC that the
WISP industry is cooperating in the effort to end the TDWR
interference problem.
 
  jack

  


On 1/13/2011 7:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Jack,
  
  That is clear and I am practicing that. My concern
  was the database.
  
  Would it help to know I have nothing near those
  frequencies? Is it only for people operating 30-100
  Mhz within a TDWR? I guess I just miss the point of
  the website. If operators stay away from the "bad"
  frequencies what's the point of the website?
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  
  
  On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:15
    AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
wrote:

   Josh,

The band is 5470 to 5725. This includes the
5600-5650 part that the TDWRs use. 

If you are within 30 km of a TDWR, you should
stay at least 30 MHz away from it (below and
above). For example, if the TDWR is at 5610 then
you should exclude 5580 to 5640. If you are
further away but within line-of-sight of the
TDWR (like on a high mountain) you should also
stay 30 MHz away. 

Did I say that clearly?

jack

  


On 1/13/2011 6:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: 


  
In regards to this voluntary database:
  
  http://spectrumbridge.com/udrs/home.aspx
  
  Are you looking for anything operating in
  the 5.4 band or anything in the 5.x (5.2
  to 5.7) band?
  
  I personally have nothing close (RF wise)
  to TDWR. Closest being 5715 (75 Mhz
  away).
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  
  



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Re: [WISPA] Ping

2011-01-10 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Yes but it's hard-are than it looks. 


On 1/10/2011 9:56 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

  
  Naw... You can fix anything with software...
  
  On 1/10/2011 11:34 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
  Bob - I miss your humor
being next door :-)




How many programers dose it take to change a light bulb?
  

None  Its a hardare problem












  

  On Jan 10, 2011, at 10:59 PM, Robert West wrote:
  
  

  
Nope.

Didnt get it. Adjust your tri-speck angular
SSL packet filter and try it again.



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[WISPA] FCC Commish: No need for net neutrality; we have white spaces!

2011-01-03 Thread Jack Unger
Speechless, I am...


Critics of US broadband want one of two things: open access rules that would 
create greater ISP competition of the kind that actually existed in the early 
2000s or, barring that, net neutrality rules to keep ISPs from abusing their 
market power. But according to FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell, we don't need 
either policy—white space devices make both approaches unnecessary... 

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/09/fcc-commish-no-need-for-net-neutrality-we-have-white-spaces.ars


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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

2010-12-29 Thread Jack Unger
 is in love with
  Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs. For CPEs
  he goes for large grids and Bullets, I believe. He
  also pushes it as far as he can go, 5 miles or more on
  those OMNI APs. New operator is using 5.8 for Back
  Haul, 2.4 for CPE. Old WISP calls new WISP almost
  immediately. Interference taking down his network.
  New wisp changes channels to those suggested by old
  wisp. Calls again, interference. New wisp changes
  channels again. Another phone call, he changes yet
  again. Then drops down to 10MHz channels to give more
  room. Still the phone calls. For a time it was every
  evening he would have to deal with old wisp and still
  he wouldnt be happy. Old wisp then starts calling
  the owners of the grain legs raising hell and bad
  mouthing new wisp. Leg owner calls new wisp, Whats
  Up? Old wisp then wants to sell his network to new
  wisp for fantasy cash. I tell new wisp, Chill, dont
  even think of buying that idiot and his duct tape
  network. New wisp then buys a 3.65 license but we
  all know how long that sucker takes and the
  limitations it has with number of channels and the $$
  premium per unit. New wisp has been very nice to all
  parties and has done, from what I see, about all he
  can do. Hes within all power regulations and has
  bent over backwards to every request put to him by
  this guy. (One of the last comments from old WISP was
  that he would get a sector and, in so many words,
  blast him and take down his network)

Now the latest. Old wisp
  has contacted the leg owners and has put together a
  meeting between old wisp, all of new wisps grain leg
  owners, new wisp and two outside parties, one of which
  is related to old wisp boy.

New Wisp is at a loss to
  what more can be accomplished other than old wisp
  upgrade his OMNIs to sectors in order to isolate the
  RF away from a competing channel.

Anyone have any solid
  resolutions that he can throw out to old wisp boy ?
  Surely someone here has been there before.

Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

2010-12-20 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
What gear are you running?

On 12/20/2010 1:30 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:

Ok, I've dealt with up to about 20KW on FM transmitter 20 feet
away and dealt with it decently. 

Now I'm told one of our installs of gear on a tower is about to
get a 100KW 20ft above my gear and a TV antenna 20ft below it at
700KW channel 39 I think.

Anyone have gear running close to this kind of high-power
antennas? Am I screwed or will I be able to have my equipment
work int his RF environment? Assume I did everything right
(grounded metal box, shielded cable soldered drain wires,
ferrite cores on the cables etc...).

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

2010-12-20 Thread Jack Unger
There is QUITE a difference between a separation distance of 20 ft and a 
separation distance of 100 yards. Remember the inverse-square law - RF 
intensity 
decreases as the SQUARE of the separation distance. 100 yards is 300 feet and 
20 
feet goes into 300 feet 15 times so the RF intensity at 100 yards is the 
inverse 
of 15 squared (15X15) or the inverse of 225. Inverting 225 means that the 
intensity at 100 yards is only 1/225th as much as at 20 feet. Scott's equipment 
is going to be exposed to 225 times greater RF energy than yours so his 
equipment is likely to be overloaded with receiver de-sensitization while your 
equipment may be OK.

The solution is to do everything right as Scott says. The 11 GHz equipment is 
likely so far away from the FM and TV frequencies that it is probably OK. The 
solution for 2.4 and 5 GHz is use proper bandpass filters between the antennas 
and the equipment then test to see if the receivers seem to have full 
sensitivity or not.

jack


On 12/20/2010 2:34 PM, Bret Clark wrote:
 On 12/20/2010 1:30 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
 Ok, I've dealt with up to about 20KW on FM transmitter 20 feet away
 and dealt with it decently.

 Now I'm told one of our installs of gear on a tower is about to get a
 100KW 20ft above my gear and a TV antenna 20ft below it at 700KW
 channel 39 I think.

 Anyone have gear running close to this kind of high-power antennas?
 Am I screwed or will I be able to have my equipment work int his RF
 environment?  Assume I did everything right (grounded metal box,
 shielded cable soldered drain wires, ferrite cores on the cables etc...).

 Thanks

 Scott Carullo
 Technical Operations
 855-FLSPEED x102

 We are running 5.8 and 3.65 stuff on towers with 100KW TV systems on the
 tower located about a 100 yards from us on another tower...no problems.
 Probably not much difference between 100KW 20 feet or 100 yards apart.



 
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[WISPA] Verizon, ATT split on approach to FCC

2010-11-30 Thread Jack Unger
(My thanks to Dewayne Hendricks for forwarding the following link)

The two telco giants appear to diverge on their positions on net neutrality 
rules or rather, on who should make net neutrality rules.


http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/131063-verizon-atat-split-on-approach-to-fcc-dealmaking


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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

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Re: [WISPA] WISP Cited for illegal Ubiquiti RocketM5 5GHz use back in June...

2010-10-30 Thread Jack Unger
  Comments inline.

On 10/30/2010 1:24 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 10/30/2010 02:53 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 Anyone else catch this?

 http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2010/db0720/DOC-300297A1.pdf
 I seem to recall its coming up in a thread around then, but can't
 find it offhand.  However, it is tied to the TDWR issue, and in
 August, WISPA and SpectrumBridge set up a TDWR database to help get
 this fixed.  So just this month, the FCC has started processing new
 approvals for the 5475-5725 band.  Good work on WISPA's part.  Maybe
 the UBNT radios will get the DFS needed to pass.

 I don't really see why DFS is needed if you stay away from the
 5600-5650 TDWR band, but that's the FCC for you... maybe there are
 some other radars on the other frequencies though.
The military uses radar systems in the lower part of the 5470-5725 MHz band. 
That's why DFS is needed for the entire band.
 That band is
 legal in most other countries, so it's in the products.  And of
 course we Part 97 licensees can play (I do mean that literally, not
 commercial use) with radios on all sorts of frequencies, like 5850-5875. ;-)

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[WISPA] Got a Dallas room reservation you don't need?

2010-10-22 Thread Jack Unger
  Has anybody reserved a room at the Broadband Expo hotel (Gaylord Texan) for 
November 2 that they don't need?

When I reserved a few weeks ago, they had no rooms available for that night and 
they wait-listed me. They say there still are no rooms available for the 2nd.

If you have a room reservation for that night that you aren't going to need, 
maybe we could get them to change it over to my name.

Just asking

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Re: [WISPA] Got a Dallas room reservation you don't need?

2010-10-22 Thread Jack Unger
  That's handy. Do you know if they've got rooms and at what rate?

On 10/22/2010 2:19 PM, Leroy wrote:
 The springhill suites is offering free shuttle service every 30 mins to the
 conference center.

 Leroy


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 Same boat you're in.

 Forbes

 On 10/22/2010 1:33 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
 Has anybody reserved a room at the Broadband Expo hotel (Gaylord Texan)
 for
 November 2 that they don't need?

 When I reserved a few weeks ago, they had no rooms available for that
 night and
 they wait-listed me. They say there still are no rooms available for the
 2nd.
 If you have a room reservation for that night that you aren't going to
 need,
 maybe we could get them to change it over to my name.

 Just asking

 jack



 
 
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[WISPA] Every email and website to be stored

2010-10-21 Thread Jack Unger
  Every email, phone call and website visit is to be recorded and stored after 
the Coalition Government revived controversial Big Brother snooping plans. It 
will allow security services and the police to spy on the activities of every 
Briton who uses a phone or the internet. Moves to make every communications 
provider store details for at least a year will be unveiled later this year 
sparking fresh fears over a return of the surveillance state,,,

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Re: [WISPA] Not this again

2010-10-14 Thread Jack Unger
  Greg,

I hate to use the word hate because that's an emotion best saved for people 
who engage in really, really, really bad practices so let me just say that 
companies that lie about what they are sell (telling people that it's legal 
when 
it's not) are about the worst of the worst kind of people.

I've looked at L-Com's webpage in the past and my impression was that they were 
lying with their words by implying that sales and use of their products was 
legal when it appeared to not be legal.

Looking at the page (and similar higher-power amp pages) that you pointed out, 
it sure looks like IF they are not lying outright they are at least trying to 
use a sneaky (lying) method of getting around the FCC rules. Selling an 
amplifier as part of a kit with a USB wireless card that only works on Channel 
6 
and including a rubber duck antenna that fits on the USB card makes no logical 
sense therefore leading me to the conclusion that inclusion of the USB card is 
just a dodge to create a kit that really allows them to sell amplifiers.

They call their amps certified but nowhere that I can see do they say the 
amplifier is FCC certified. To cut to the chase, just call them and ask them 
for the FCC ID number of the kit that you want to purchase. All the other 
mumbo-jumbo on their webpage (no FCC forms needed, etc.) is just bullshit 
calculated to confuse potential buyers into thinking that the amplifier 
purchase 
and use is legal.

Last but not least, for what purpose do you plan to use the amplifier? 9 times 
out of 10 there is a better and more effective way to get the results that you 
need.

jack
818-227-4220


On 10/14/2010 11:33 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
 I'm sure some people will be saying oh not this discussion again but I've 
 just got to ask. L-Com is selling FCC certified systems and they go into 
 detail to explain that their system are available without license or special 
 requirement because it's not just an amplifier but rather a complete system. 
 Clicking on a link in their email brings you here 
 http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=25975CMP=101410. I assumed this was an AP 
 with amplifier and antenna which the FCC could determine it's eirp and 
 overall compliance and certify. But it's a wireless NIC for a computer with 
 an antenna, and a bare amplifier. There's no way the FCC could take cable 
 loss and antenna gain into account. The amps go from 100mW to 1W. How can 
 this possibly be certified if the amp isn't paired with an antenna? What 1W 
 amp and antenna combination could possibly yield a legal eirp? The antenna 
 would have to be a leaky dummy load. It surprises me that this could be 
 viewed as a system by the FCC and wo
 ul
   d receive certification to be put in the hands of the general public. It 
 seems to be that the sale of these systems would be a bane to the WISP 
 community.

 Are these truly FCC certified?

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Re: [WISPA] Not this again

2010-10-14 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Faisal,

Thank you for taking the time to search and locate the prefix for
the FCC ID. That prefix does indicate that the amplifier is
certified as part of a kit using the WLAN-LCUSB-03 wireless adapter.
So if Greg wants to extend the range of his computer using this
particular adapter on Channel 6 then this complete kit (or similar)
will be legal for him to use. 

From L-Com's website

"The USB 802.11g adapter included with this kit is a L-com
WLAN-LCUSB-03. This adapter features a reverse polarity SMA
antenna port for use with the included rubber duck antenna. For
proper operation, the drivers and wireless utility included on
the CD in the kit must be installed. Note: The USB wireless
  adapter included with this kit is factory set to operate on
  channel 6 only."

Greg hasn't advised whether this is the use that he wants to put
this kit to so I await further information from him regarding his
intended use. 

By the way, it seems rather unfortunate (or perhaps very deliberate)
that L-Com also includes on the same webpage the following:

Similar Products In Stock
100 mW 2.4 GHz 802.11g Indoor WiFi Amplifier, RP-TNC Connectors
 100 mW 2.4 GHz 802.11g Indoor WiFi Amplifier, RP-TNC
Connectors
Your Price:   $129.90
Availability:   In Stock

So here they are advertising the same line of amplifiers NOT as part
of a certified kit but all alone. Yet it is illegal to sell
amplifiers that are not part of a certified kit, right? No, it is
legal to sell them if they are "replacement" amplifiers intended to
replace a amplifier that IS part of a certified kit but in which the
original amplifier has failed and needs replacement. 

Is L-Com truly being ethical here and following the law or are they
deliberately making it possible to buy amplifiers which are legal
only under very limited, not-really-very- useful for legitimate WISP
conditions? 

You decide. 

And then there are their 25-watt 2.4 GHz amplifiers that are sold
NOT as a part of any certified kit. Is that ethical? Well, they
include the language "These amplifier products are
available only for export, military, licensed amateur radio and
OEM component sales and are not offered for general sale within
the USA.". I guess that make it OK, right? 


jack



On 10/14/2010 12:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

  
 From L-Com's website Product Description:-
Note:
This Hyperlink bi-directional amplifier is designed for burst 
half-duplex operation. It is not intended for constant transmit or CW 
operation. Operation of the amplifier in CW mode will damage the 
amplifier and void the warranty.

FCC PART 15 NOTICE:
This amplifier can be used only in a system which it has obtained 
authorization. The authorized systems by FCC Identifier are as follows: MYF




 From FCC's Website.
---
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=ExhibitsRequestTimeout=500calledFromFrame=Napplication_id=97587fcc_id='MYF-WL2401'
--

. So what exactly are we discussing ?


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom


On 10/14/2010 3:01 PM, Jack Unger wrote:

  
   Greg,

I hate to use the word "hate" because that's an emotion best saved for people
who engage in really, really, really bad practices so let me just say that
companies that lie about what they are sell (telling people that it's legal when
it's not) are about the worst of the worst kind of people.

I've looked at L-Com's webpage in the past and my impression was that they were
lying with their words by implying that sales and use of their products was
legal when it appeared to not be legal.

Looking at the page (and similar higher-power amp pages) that you pointed out,
it sure looks like IF they are not lying outright they are at least trying to
use a sneaky (lying) method of getting around the FCC rules. Selling an
amplifier as part of a kit with a USB wireless card that only works on Channel 6
and including a rubber duck antenna that fits on the USB card makes no logical
sense therefore leading me to the conclusion that inclusion of the USB card is
just a dodge to create a "kit" that really allows them to sell amplifiers.

They call their amps "certified" but nowhere that I can see do they say the
amplifier is "FCC certified". To cut to the chase, just call them and ask them
for the FCC ID number of the "kit" that you want to purchase. All the other
mumbo-jumbo on their webpage ("no FCC forms needed", etc.) is just bullshit
calculated to confuse potential buyers into thinking that the amp

Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday

2010-10-14 Thread Jack Unger
  Fred,

Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations that transmit.

jack


On 10/14/2010 3:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote:

 Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum
 Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office
 yesterday in regard to certain limiting factors in the TVWS
 Memorandum Report  Order language.  Below is the Ex parte Filing
 that was made today.
 Rick, when you guys said to remove the HAAT restriction for
 receive-only sites, did you really mean receive-only, or did you
 mean the PtP subscriber (slave) station that talks to the tower?

 I am glad to see action this soon on the 76-meter issue, since it not
 only impacts tower locations, but subscriber sites.

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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday

2010-10-14 Thread Jack Unger
  Fred,

If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple.

Thank-you for your opinion and have a good day.

jack


On 10/14/2010 5:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 10/14/2010 06:35 PM, you wrote:
Fred,

 Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations
 that transmit.
 Yes, which is worth precisely zero to a WISP, since we need two-way
 transceivers.  The only receive-only equipment is what goes with
 wireless mics; the mics themselves are transmit only.

 jack


 On 10/14/2010 3:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote:

 Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum
 Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office
 yesterday in regard to certain limiting factors in the TVWS
 Memorandum Report   Order language.  Below is the Ex parte Filing
 that was made today.
 Rick, when you guys said to remove the HAAT restriction for
 receive-only sites, did you really mean receive-only, or did you
 mean the PtP subscriber (slave) station that talks to the tower?

 I am glad to see action this soon on the 76-meter issue, since it not
 only impacts tower locations, but subscriber sites.

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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday

2010-10-14 Thread Jack Unger
  Hello Fred,

Regarding snarky insults - a simple review of this email thread reveals that 
the only snarky insults are the ones that contributed.

Please review WISPA's mailing list policies at 
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=9.

Regarding your strong RF and regulatory background I offer the following for 
your consideration.

1. Join WISPA. A quick review of WISPA's billing server did not return either 
your name or your domain name. Of course, if you are (or once you become) a 
WISPA Member then go to step 2 (below).

2. Join WISPA's FCC Committee and apply your expertise by working with WISPA's 
dedicated, FCC Committee Members who volunteer hundreds of hours of work to 
keep 
abreast of wireless technology and who discuss, draft and file WISPA's FCC 
comments.

Again, have a great day.

jack



On 10/14/2010 5:28 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 10/14/2010 08:16 PM, you wrote:
Fred,

 If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple.
 Making snarky insults doesn't answer the question.  Quite frankly I
 have a pretty strong RF and regulatory background so it is not a good
 idea to treat me like a dunce.  So I'll ask the question
 differently.  Do I need to create a new petition or did you address
 the up-the-hill WISP subscriber issue?

 I am looking at potential subscriber locations above 75m HAAT.  So I
 want WISPs to be able to put a radio there.  I'm really confused at
 what you're trying to do.  Do you really call subscriber units (I'm
 imagining the TVWS version of a NanoStation) receive only (I
 don't), or do you really only want receivers?  Which of course don't
 fall under those rules anyway.

 Thank-you for your opinion and have a good day.

 jack


 On 10/14/2010 5:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 10/14/2010 06:35 PM, you wrote:
 Fred,

 Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations
 that transmit.
 Yes, which is worth precisely zero to a WISP, since we need two-way
 transceivers.  The only receive-only equipment is what goes with
 wireless mics; the mics themselves are transmit only.

 jack


 On 10/14/2010 3:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote:

 Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum
 Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office
 yesterday in regard to certain limiting factors in the TVWS
 Memorandum ReportOrder language.  Below is the Ex parte Filing
 that was made today.
 Rick, when you guys said to remove the HAAT restriction for
 receive-only sites, did you really mean receive-only, or did you
 mean the PtP subscriber (slave) station that talks to the tower?

 I am glad to see action this soon on the 76-meter issue, since it not
 only impacts tower locations, but subscriber sites.
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday

2010-10-14 Thread Jack Unger
  Oops, typo corrected in 2nd line below (added the word you).


On 10/14/2010 5:44 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
Hello Fred,

 Regarding snarky insults - a simple review of this email thread reveals that
 the only snarky insults are the ones that you contributed.

 Please review WISPA's mailing list policies 
 athttp://www.wispa.org/?page_id=9.

 Regarding your strong RF and regulatory background I offer the following for
 your consideration.

 1. Join WISPA. A quick review of WISPA's billing server did not return either
 your name or your domain name. Of course, if you are (or once you become) a
 WISPA Member then go to step 2 (below).

 2. Join WISPA's FCC Committee and apply your expertise by working with WISPA's
 dedicated, FCC Committee Members who volunteer hundreds of hours of work to 
 keep
 abreast of wireless technology and who discuss, draft and file WISPA's FCC
 comments.

 Again, have a great day.

 jack



 On 10/14/2010 5:28 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 10/14/2010 08:16 PM, you wrote:
 Fred,

 If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple.
 Making snarky insults doesn't answer the question.  Quite frankly I
 have a pretty strong RF and regulatory background so it is not a good
 idea to treat me like a dunce.  So I'll ask the question
 differently.  Do I need to create a new petition or did you address
 the up-the-hill WISP subscriber issue?

 I am looking at potential subscriber locations above 75m HAAT.  So I
 want WISPs to be able to put a radio there.  I'm really confused at
 what you're trying to do.  Do you really call subscriber units (I'm
 imagining the TVWS version of a NanoStation) receive only (I
 don't), or do you really only want receivers?  Which of course don't
 fall under those rules anyway.

 Thank-you for your opinion and have a good day.

 jack


 On 10/14/2010 5:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 10/14/2010 06:35 PM, you wrote:
  Fred,

 Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations
 that transmit.
 Yes, which is worth precisely zero to a WISP, since we need two-way
 transceivers.  The only receive-only equipment is what goes with
 wireless mics; the mics themselves are transmit only.

 jack


 On 10/14/2010 3:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote:

 Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum
 Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office
 yesterday in regard to certain limiting factors in the TVWS
 Memorandum Report Order language.  Below is the Ex parte Filing
 that was made today.
 Rick, when you guys said to remove the HAAT restriction for
 receive-only sites, did you really mean receive-only, or did you
 mean the PtP subscriber (slave) station that talks to the tower?

 I am glad to see action this soon on the 76-meter issue, since it not
 only impacts tower locations, but subscriber sites.
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Re: [WISPA] Workers Trapped in Hollywood Water Tower Tank

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Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-09-30 Thread Jack Unger
n querying
the database because the available channels for fixed
devices cannot be
determined without this information.131 We are therefore
modifying
Sections 15.711(b)(3) and 15.713(f)(3) to indicate that
fixed devices
must submit their antenna height above ground to the
database. 
  
  
  
  68. We continue to decline to establish height limits for
personal/portable devices. As the Commission stated in the
Second
Report and Order, there is no practical way to enforce such
limits, and such limits are not necessary due to the
different technical
and operational characteristics of personal/portable
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Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-09-30 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Excellent explanation. Thanks.

Fred and
  Jack
  
  Antenna Height - Height is restricted to 30 meters above HAAT
  (height above average terrain) of 76 meters this can be calculated
  here.
  
  www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/bickel/haattor.html
  
  Where it asks this question
  
  (Enter the height (in meters) of the antenna radiation center
  above mean sea level (RCAMSL))
  
  Enter your site elevation NOT the antenna radiation center because
  you get to go 30 meters above ground level at that point.
  
  ref: Second Memorandum Opinion and Order (paragraph - 66)
  
  Frank
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Frank
  
  On 9/30/2010 7:37 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
  

Fred, 

I'm sorry to seem dense but I don't understand your explanation
below. I'd appreciate it if you would re-explain. The FCC said:

"transmit antenna used with fixed devices may not be more than
30 meters above the ground. In addition, fixed devices may not
be located at sites where the height above average terrain
(HAAT) atground level is more than 76 meters". 

I'm trying to reconcile that with your statements. Could you
please re-explain more clearly or by using better actual numbers
(both HAAT at ground level and antenna height above ground)? 

Thanks in advance, 
 jack


On 9/23/2010 4:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

   
  
  
  The rules allow antenna heights up to 30 meters, around 100
  feet. One problem with the maximum HAAT limit is that it
  applies to the ground height, based on having a 30 meter high
  antenna. In other words, the ruling assumed a maximum antenna
  HAAT, and then set the ground HAAT to be 30m below that. If
  somebody's house is 10m below the limit, then a 10m
  antenna should be legal. (The minimum antenna height went
  away, since sensing is no longer required. That frankly seems
  to be the only major improvement in the rules.)
  
  
  Brian

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  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom


DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

Yeah, that really sucks. Many areas needing served have
thick forest/trees easilly 70ft tall.
A 90ft height, just wouldn't allow enough of the signal to
have open air, and the signal would be going through trees
most of the full path.
In 900Mhz, the difference between having the tower side over
the tree line and below the tree line can be the difference
between a quarter mile coverage and a 7 mile coverage in our
market.
All be it, 700Mhz does have better NLOS propogation
characteristics than 900 does.

I would have liked to see that height doubled.

However, admittedly, it will allow much better spectrum
re-use in areas that have a limited number of channels
available.
Spectrum reuse is one of the best ways to serve more people.



Tom DeReggi
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  - Original Message - 
  
  From: Fred Goldstein

  
  To: WISPA General List

  
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:36 PM
  
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height
  
  
  
  This item alone may be the show-stopper, the poison
pill that makes it useless to WISPs in much of the
country.

  
  In places where the routine variation in elevation is
more than 75 meters, there will be houses (subscribers)
that are more than 76 meters AAT. I notice this in the
areas I'm studying, both in the east and in the upper
midwest. 

  
  In a place like Kansas, nobody is 75m AAT. But in
the woody Berkshires of Western Massachusetts, the UHF
space is needed to get through the trees, and a
significant share of houses are 75m AAT. Also, if
you want to cover a dec

Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

2010-09-27 Thread Jack Unger
  I agree completely with Rick. WISPA Members deserve special access to TV 
White 
Space information. WISPA Members have paid their dues (literally) to enable 
WISPA to lobby (advocate with the FCC) to help create the best TV White Space 
rules possible given the huge opposition by the TV broadcasters and the mobile 
broadband companies. Non-Members who wish access to the best of this 
information 
still have an opportunity to join WISPA. We will publish specialized TVWS 
information on a Members-only Wiki.

jack


On 9/27/2010 7:18 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:
 Charles,

 WISPA has a wiki open to members only.  We felt we needed a secure place for
 secure content which is privy to members only. It would seem to me that
 having a TV Whitespaces FAQ open to the public would make it easy for new
 competition to enter the marketplace.  Are you sure you want to make it
 public?  Our members dues have paid for the lobbying costs involved in
 making an impact on the TV Whitespaces decision.  I doubt if the members who
 invest $250 annually for dues would appreciate giving away the knowledge
 base involved in TV Whitespaces to every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides
 they can start a WISP on TV Whitespaces because they have read a FAQ.

 I may be wrong in my assumptions here, but I do hope you consider the
 possible ramifications to your business and other WISPs who have invested
 much of their own money and hard work to build their businesses to where
 they are today.

 The idea is grand, but to me, it makes more sense for all WISPs to join
 WISPA and keep some of this information out of the public eye.  It seems
 like a very small investment to make for the insurance of knowing that our
 hard work isn't subsidizing competition.

 Respectfully,

 Rick Harnish
 Executive Director
 WISPA
 260-307-4000 cell
 866-317-2851 WISPA Office
 Skype: rick.harnish.
 rharn...@wispa.org


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 Behalf Of Charles n wyble
 Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

 Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to
 host one.

 I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads
 over and over. :)

 Who wants to work on a faq with me?
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Jack Unger
  Jeromie,

A quick check of WISPA's billing survey did not turn up your name as a WISPA 
Member. If that is wrong and you are a Member then I warmly invite you to join 
the FCC Committee so you can provide your input and ideas regarding spectrum 
homesteading. If you are not a WISPA Member then I'm sorry but it would be 
improper to divulge FCC Committee Member discussions or documents to you. Feel 
free to give me a call or drop me an email offlist to discuss your options 
further.

Best Regards,

Jack Unger
Chair - WISPA FCC Committee


On 9/27/2010 9:20 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 What do you envision as a fair homesteading rule(s)? How do those
 rules deal with squatters, or people who do 'just enough' to keep
 others out? I am not completely against 'homesteading' but i am
 against 'squatting' and 'marginal acceptableness'. Do you have a
 document or such of your ideas on this?

 On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Rick Harnishrharn...@wispa.org  wrote:
 John,

 I personally support your work on Spectrum Homesteading and we hope to
 develop it further.  Unfortunately, the FCC committee was split and thus, it
 was the advice of the FCC Chairman that we could not support it at this time
 until the proposal matures further or the education of the FCC Committee
 changes the balance of ayes and nays.  I definitely don't think it is a dead
 issue.  We need to discuss it more and help it mature, it is definitely
 worthwhile to pursue.

 Thanks,
 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of John Scrivner
 Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:40 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

 There is no staking your claim. I pushed for that as part of a
 spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly.
 We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we
 did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building
 broadband service should entitle you to an exclusive license for your
 channel space in your coverage area. Opportunity lost...
 Scriv



 On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Forbes Mercy
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com  wrote:
   OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28
 available.  I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to
 I
 stake the claim and start working toward deployment?  I know it's
 oversimplified but that's where I have to start.

 Forbes

 On 9/25/2010 8:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.
 Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my
 time.
 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.

 -
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
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 On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 8 Channels around here for me...

 http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-
 services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-
 30chat.net wrote:
 That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a
 10mhz
 channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
 people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear
 it
 just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.

 Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels.
 One
 has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
 contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible.
 Even
 just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.

 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-
 il.net wrote:
 That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable
 throughput
 you're going to have to find several channels together.

 With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might
 double that.
 -
 Mike Hammett
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 On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a
 row) like
 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard
 channels?
 or will you need to pick 3 or 4?

 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davisthe...@wmwisp.net
  wrote:
 It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.



 Josh Luthman wrote:

 I go to it and it seems there are no available channels
 anywhere I
 search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing
 something
 wrong?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
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 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-
 30chat.net
 wrote:


 Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info
 snipped).
 Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE

Re: [WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010

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Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

2010-09-22 Thread Jack Unger
  Yes; he's smoking something strange or someone is feeding him a line of BS.

On 9/22/2010 9:57 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
 I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nanostation based tower
 within 2 miles of one of my Canopy 2.4 towers.  What kind of
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 Listening to this guy, their radios are magic and can shoot through
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Re: [WISPA] FIbertower et al Ex Parte met with Commissioner Bakers legal advisor

2010-09-14 Thread Jack Unger
 FiberTower (and the mobile broadband industry) has been and still is fighting 
hard to LICENSE 36-MHz wide chunks of TV White Space. WISPA has been and is 
continuing to fight back hard against the FiberTower Group proposal. If 
FiberTower is successful, will be able to blow big holes through the TVWS 
spectrum that would have been available for WISPs to use. This is a fight to 
the death for TVWS. We are continuing waging to wage this fight as we speak and 
we will continue fighting right up to (and if need be, beyond) the 9/23 FCC Open 
Meeting.


We need your help. It is very important for WISPs to e-file a letter with the 
FCC TODAY (absolutely no later than 5 PM on Thursday which is the deadline) 
supporting WISPA's position, especially to OPPOSE the FiberTower Groups licensed 
TVWS point-to-point proposal. We emailed a template letter for WISPs to use last 
week and I'm re-attaching it to this email.


Please help WISPA help you.

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template

2010-09-11 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Correction (Wednesday is not the 16th - oops). 

Your comments must be filed before 5 PM ET on Thursday, Sept. 16. 

Please file soon. 

Thank-you, 
 jack


On 9/11/2010 11:00 AM, Jack Unger wrote:

  
  Comments must be on file by the end of the day Wednesday, Sept.
  16. 
  
  On 9/11/2010 9:22 AM, Victoria Proffer wrote:
  




  This

  is great, thanks WISPA!
  
  What

  is the due date on this?
  
  
Victoria

  Proffer - President/CEO
www.ShowMeBroadband.com
www.StLouisBroadband.com
314-974-5600
  
  
  

  From: members-boun...@wispa.org
  [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org]
  On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
  Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 9:55 AM
  To: memb...@wispa.org;
  'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com
  Subject: [WISPA Members] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL:
  HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template
  Importance: High

  
  
  All WISPs,
  
  This week, WISPA filed comments on the TV
Whitespaces once again. The FCC is set to make decisions on
this crucial topic very soon. It is imperative for all
operators to take a few minutes and file individual comments
to the FCC about Unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces
spectrum this week. Please dont procrastinate as the
timeline is fairly short.
  
  I have attached a template support letter
that Jack Unger has written to make your support and comment
filing easier. Jack, Steve Coran and the FCC committee has
worked hard for several years and especially in our recent
filing. We need to support their hard work efforts and
produce a mass support campaign to give the WISPA filing
even more credibility. WISPs need more spectrum and we need
spectrum that will penetrate foliage and other obstacles.
This is our opportunity and essentially our obligation to
stand up for our needs before this crucial decision is
made. The WISPA filing can be read at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020911589.


  
  Please customize the
attached template letter with your company information
and if you want to add additional local flavor, it is
accepted. The FCC staff will read each letter and
register the support for the WISPA filing to assist them
in making this tough decision. We have received
excellent comments back from the FCC, other trade
associations and manufacturers about this filing and now
our membership and industry participants need to stand
up and be counted as well.
  
  Once you have customized
the letter, please make a .pdf copy or a .doc file and
upload it at the following website. http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc.
If

you choose not to use the WISPA template letter but want to
write your own comments, you can either follow the previous
procedure or use the Express filing method at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=nc5cd.
The

proceeding number is 04-186.
  
  I cannot stress how important this is for
each WISP company to do. I hope to search the filings
Monday morning and find 1000 or more new comments supporting
the WISPA filing. Take a the time this weekend and git r
dun before your busy work schedule begins again Monday
morning.
  
  Respectfully,
  
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Re: [WISPA] TDWR database doing some good already!

2010-08-30 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Ralph, 

Thank you very much for helping to get the word out about the need
to stay clear of TDWR frequencies. Eliminating TDWR interference
certainly benefits everyone. 

Your help is really appreciated. 

jack


On 8/29/2010 9:33 AM, Ralph Fowler wrote:

  
  
  
  
I appreciate Jack Ungers sending out the
  TDWR
  announcement on the announcement list, a portion of which I
  have copied below.
We run a Muni mesh for a city that actually
  includes part of
  Atlanta airport property. It has a TDWR.
As part of their network, the City
  installed some 5.4
  links. We dont maintain or own those links, instead they are
  operated by
  their Cisco VAR.

I sent the VAR the What You Can Do
  section
  below and they are changing frequency on one of the links as a
  result.
  Im not sure where they actually sit- frequency wise but they
  are
  changing.
I expect that they will also register the
  stations.
  They are also checking all their other 5.4 links in other
  areas.
Additionally, our backhaul partner has also
  registered the
  link that brings us part of our bandwidth.

Although Atlanta was not one of the problem
  areas, Im
  sure any interference would have been very severe.

I hope everyone else also gets proactive on
  this. It
  might even become the thing that spurs on a volunteer
  coordination effort on a
  larger scale.

Ralph
N4NEQ


=
What You
  Can Do
  
  If you have base stations operating near a major metropolitan
  area and especially
  if you are located in one of the problem areas, it is
  important that you go to
  the WISPA/Spectrum Bridge database lookup page http://spectrumbridge.com/udia/search.aspx,
  type in the location of your base station(s) and determine if
  you are within 35
  km (or line-of-sight distance) of a TDWR site. If so, please
  make a note of the
  TDWR frequency and exclude that frequency from use by your
  base stations.
  Further, consider registering your base stations in the TDWR
  database.
  Registration benefits you because when FCC enforcement teams
  visit your area to
  track down interference sources, they will see that you are
  operating lawfully,
  clear of the TDWR frequency. They will have no need to pay you
  a visit. 
  
  




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Re: [WISPA] Drunk IT worker shoots $100k server

2010-08-26 Thread Jack Unger
Title: Drunk IT worker shoots $100k server


  
  
Momma always said, "Son - don't take your guns to town". But I never
listened to nothin' that Momma said...

On 8/26/2010 7:49 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:

  
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  .45-caliber automatic, and then told police someone had stolen
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

2010-08-26 Thread Jack Unger
  Remember, no commercial WISP traffic allowed on 4.9.

On 8/26/2010 6:29 PM, Steven McGehee wrote:
Hey guys,

 We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
 would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
 know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
 soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
 this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
 Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
 tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
 maybe legal advice, etc.

 I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus money creating jobs in MO

2010-08-16 Thread Jack Unger




You're off topic good buddy.

RickG wrote:
I'll tell you what "free"governmentmoney does create
-corruption:http://www.newnetworks.com/broadbandscandals.htm
  
  On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Jim Patient
  sa...@jeffcosoho.com
wrote:
  

Big River to add 70 jobs with $24M stimulus


http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2010/08/02/daily47.html

$24,400,00/70=$348,571.42/job created.  
At this rate it would be over 5 trillion to put the 14.9 million
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Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

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