Re: [WISPA] [WUG] Short UBNT PTP link

2013-03-21 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Nanobridge25's, 30mhz channel, DFS, moves high 90's.

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Andy Trimmell
atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote:
 For shear cost effectiveness I'd agree with Josh. You're going to be falling
 a bit short of 50Mbps full duplex if you go with Rocket gear.



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 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:14 PM
 To: us...@wug.cc
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WUG] Short UBNT PTP link



 Ubnt at 20 MHz will get you at most 80 megs aggregate.  If you need 50 fdx
 you're falling short.



 If you're using 3.65 I'm not sure what your other options would be, Redline
 is more carrier grade but I'm not sure of the bandwidth.  Depending on the
 price of carrier grade stuff it might just be easier to do AirFiber.


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 On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

 Hi Gang,



 I am looking at installing a short (100m) PTP backhaul across a campground
 for a wifi system we are putting in.  I'm looking at using a pair of UBNT
 NSM365 units to accomplish this.  I need about 50Mbps full duplex.  I'd like
 to use the 3.65Ghz spectrum for this PTP so that i keep all my other part15
 spectrum clean.



 Is this the best option or do you have another recommendation.



 I'm a bit new to UBNT and not completely familiar with the product line.



 Thanks for your help.



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[WISPA] Fiber Transport in Washington State

2013-03-12 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I am looking for some transport from Seattle (Westin) to Walla Walla.
Anyone know who might be able to provide this?

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Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???

2012-11-03 Thread Jeromie Reeves
No that would be shooting myself in the foot. Yes I have lost much due
to the cable, others have lost more. Id like to RMA my devices but
some are old. IMO they only died cause of the water reaching the PoE
and shorting it. I have gone back to Belden. It does not fit into the
gear quite right but it works and ive not had issues with it.


On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote:
 Hi all

 any feedback (positive or negative) regarding the new TOUGHCable CARRIER ?

 Just for curiosity: Anybody thinking of a class action ?

 It's not only the value of the cable or smoked devices itself, it's also
 the service interruption

 Thank you

 I just saw our first failure a couple weeks ago, it was consistent
 with photos I've seen of other ubnt toughcable failures. The jacket
 has turned from the original grey color to a translucent green, and
 hairline cracks then develop across the diameter of the cable. Almost
 like the plastic has shrunk, imagine alligator skin. In this failure,
 the POE was soaked and the radio had a blown eth port. Complete new
 install for the customer, except the roof tripod.

 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote:
 Steve do you know specifically what failed yet? Did random holes just appear
 in the sheath? Is yours the black or green? I'm worried because we've been
 recommending this shielded cable to all our customers esp. in lighting-prone
 areas like OK.

 Tom S.

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 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
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 Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???


 I had my fist 3 cable failures this week.  Blown radios and POE's.  I know
 that I don't get any credit for labor but I also don't want any new cable
 that will fail in a year.  I think I will just have them replace the radios
 and go one with Life.  Not sure how I would ever get rid of 10 boxes of new
 UBNT cable.  I would put it out.

 Steve Barnes
 General Manager
 PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi


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 Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
 Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:40 PM
 To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???

 Yes. As stated the green stuff is crap. Ive got boxes of radios with dead
 ethernet ports. Forget new cable, I want my radios fixed! We used the
 cable in short runs 15ft, and are finding more and more places it was
 used as those sites fail.

 On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Paolo Di Francesco
 paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote:
 Hi All,

 it seems that lately the Ubiquiti cables that we installed some time
 ago, are filling with water and burning the ethernet interface.

 It happened with one cable on one site, then another cable on the same
 site, now I have another cable failing on a second site...

 Any comment?

 Thank you

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Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???

2012-11-02 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Yes. As stated the green stuff is crap. Ive got boxes of radios with
dead ethernet ports. Forget new cable, I want my radios fixed! We used
the cable in short runs 15ft, and are finding more and more places it
was used as those sites fail.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Paolo Di Francesco
paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote:
 Hi All,

 it seems that lately the Ubiquiti cables that we installed some time
 ago, are filling with water and burning the ethernet interface.

 It happened with one cable on one site, then another cable on the same
 site, now I have another cable failing on a second site...

 Any comment?

 Thank you

 --


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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

2012-10-28 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:
 At 10/27/2012 10:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
IPv6-only networks aren't far out in ARIN land. Well, unless you
like paying out of the nose for third party blocks. I'd say less
than 5 years before you cannot obtain an IPv4 address in North
America. Complete European and Asian access will require IPv6 soon
as they're out of IPv4 already.


 I don't want to get into a flame war here, but suffice to say that
 there is an opposing opinion.  IPv6 is five years away from mass
 adoption, but this statement is always true.

 IPv4 addresses will be used more efficiently.  They will be
 resold.  There will be more NAT (which only breaks broken
 applications).  So they will always be available.  What has ended is
 the homestead act era of IPv4.  Homesteads were free land given to
 farmers.  When they ran out, farming didn't stop; the land could be
 resold.  Same with IPv4.  When it was a free resource, people squandered it.

 I'm still looking to see how to totally turn off IPv6 in RouterOS, as
 its being on by default scares me.  It's essentially a giant back
 door used primarily by hackers.


If you do not add any v6 address under 'IPv6' then you only have the
local link address. If you remove the IPv6 package
then you lose that also.

Why does IPv6 scare you?

It is hardly a backdoor and it is hardly primarily used by hackers.
That is plain FUD.





-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:18:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?


I'm fairly sure you can change the binding order to adjust this
operation to suite your preference. (which one the computer tried first)

I don't see IPv6 utilized in my real world until 5-10 years from
now. We do provide some customers v6 routed address space and our
entire network is routed and supports it, but thats because people
like to play with it because its something new in the networking
world they want to understand, not because anyone actually requires
it. It does provide a small marketing bonus, for those that don't
understand it - sounds good any way lol

I see it as somewhat as a liability to my network, since there are
sure to be bugs in its implementation and dual stack functionality.
Just a fear I have, been there done that with different routing
protocols in the past and the programmers have not yet achieved
perfection yet :)

But, I flex, have to let people have their v6 fun (employees and
customers alike...)


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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That depends on wire size. That distance is not going to be ethernet
so I will assume #12 AWG, 400ft, copper wire, etc. You should be
seeing a 5.6% drop under a 1amp load or about 25v under load.


On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:
 27 volts at the base.  DC has very little loss over 400-500 foot
 distances.  We are seeing about .1 volt loss on a 400 foot run.

 -Original Message-
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 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:16 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:03PM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote:
  Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not
 saying it's ideal but it works.

27v at the ethernet port or 27v at the base of the tower?

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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
The resistance of the length of wire.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 A voltage difference with no load? What's causing the drop?


 On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:

 We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with
 no load.
  Obviously load will have an impact on this.

 Justin

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

 That depends on wire size. That distance is not going to be ethernet
 so I will assume #12 AWG, 400ft, copper wire, etc. You should be
 seeing a 5.6% drop under a 1amp load or about 25v under load.
 
 
 On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:
  27 volts at the base.  DC has very little loss over 400-500
  foot
  distances.  We are seeing about .1 volt loss on a 400 foot run.
 
  -Original Message-
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  Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:16 AM
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
 
 On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:03PM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote:
   Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not
  saying it's ideal but it works.
 
 27v at the ethernet port or 27v at the base of the tower?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That is a great way to explain it. This also causes a lot of other
issues with the cell/bank. As the one battery dies and takes less
voltage the rest start taking a higher voltage and over charge and out
gas leading to dry cells.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:
 Because you are pulling more energy from a given cell. Current typically
 flows in one direction at a time. If you are pulling current off of the
 whole system all the time, AND pulling more from part of the system, then
 there is never a chance for the system to come back to equilibrium. Think of
 it like having four tanks of water each connected with siphon hoses. If you
 have two hoses pulling water from one of the tanks, it will drain faster
 than the other three tanks with only one hose. Your charger doesn't realize
 that one cell is being drained faster as it is only looking at total voltage
 across the system.

 Cameron


 On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Tim Kerns t...@cv-access.com wrote:

 I just put up 2 new solar panels yesterday to replace 2 that were now to
 small of wattage to cover the expanded load at the tower.

 Panels with no load were putting out 35 vdc, at the batteries with load I
 was seeing 28 vdc.

 I use the tycon voltage regulator to maintain 24 vdc to the radios. Added
 cost, yes, but this is a remote site with important backhaul and I don’t
 need to burn a radio out.

 I was also taking 12 vdc from one of the batteries, but found it would
 drain it in about 2 weeks... the batteries do not charge evenly, maybe one
 of our EE members can explain this.

 4 12 vdc batteries, 2 in series, then the 2 sets in parallel., most
 equipment is taken from the 24 vdc, one switch takes power from the 12 vdc.
 Why does this not keep all batteries charged equally, when using the solar
 at +27 volts.

 Tim Kerns
 CV-Access, Inc.


 From: Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List ; fai...@snappydsl.net
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question


 Because batteries are 27v.

 On Oct 18, 2012 10:45 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

 Call me Stupid... but what is the point of this discussion ?

 Operating the Radios @ 27V is exceeding the Mfg. Specs. .
  Will they work ?  maybe...
  Will they fail ?  maybe
  If you burn them up. you are on your own.. ? or at least at
 UBNT's discretion, since you are voiding the warranty, by operating our
 of Specs.
  Will it shorten the life of the Radio  ?   maybe...
  Will is just work fine ?   maybe.

 This reminds me of the discussions on the CPU Over-Clockers Forum..
 If you want to play, sure nothing wrong with that.. but you are on
 your own ..
 If you expect it to preform well for a long time, then it is best to
 stay within the Mfg. Specs ...

 I have often said this to folks In our industry, when you exceed
 Specs things don't just 'break' but they do start doing 'funky
 stuff'

 Of Course YMMV

 :)

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom

 On 10/18/2012 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with
  no load.
Obviously load will have an impact on this.
 
Justin
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
  Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
 
  That depends on wire size. That distance is not going to be ethernet
  so I will assume #12 AWG, 400ft, copper wire, etc. You should be
  seeing a 5.6% drop under a 1amp load or about 25v under load.
 
 
  On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:
   27 volts at the base.  DC has very little loss over 400-500
  foot
  distances.  We are seeing about .1 volt loss on a 400 foot run.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org
  Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:16 AM
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
 
  On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:03PM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote:
Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not
  saying it's ideal but it works.
  27v at the ethernet port or 27v at the base of the tower?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-17 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That is odd.  I have no idea why it would get so hot unless the
current passing it was significant. This was a schottky or a power
diode right, not a zener? Most zeners will not take the current.

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Between the regulator and load.

 On Oct 15, 2012 5:01 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

 Where did you put that diode? I have done this and at the low power
 that is needed they do not get noticeably warm at all.

 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  I tried that method.  Diode got hotter than hell.  Burnt right through
  the
  insulation I covered it with (and since it was bent the jacket came
  right
  off).
 
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  On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
  wrote:
 
  Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
  the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
  the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix
 
  On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
   I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the
   parallel
   segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
   installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this
   will
   work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the
   battery
   cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop
   from
   12v will be negligible
  
   So this is how it would be:
   24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v
   batteries
   connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the
   parallel
   segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest
   of
   the
   load connected to the charge controller at 24v
  
   What do you think?
  
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   On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
   kh...@fire2wire.com
   wrote:
  
   Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up
   then
   there was probably a short somewhere.
  
   -Kristian
  
  
   On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
  
   Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
   I will check though they swear that they did
  
  
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   M: +234-809-8610040
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   On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
   j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  
   What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v
   but
   without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin
   discharging.
   If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected
   wrong,
   not
   that the voltage was too high.
  
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   On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo
   adal...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
   What's your typical config for the NSM5?
   Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
   charger connected just battery) and it fried good
  
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   On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
   kh...@fire2wire.com
   wrote:
  
   We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at
   27.6V.
   The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that
   won't
   power
   on with 27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into
   overvoltage
   protection until 28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
  
   -Kristian
  
  
   On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  
   Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need
   charged,
   it's usually 27v.
  
   I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you
   could
   reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
  
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   On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo
   adal...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
   Aha, thanks
   That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
   I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v
   regulated power
  
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   M: +234-809-8610040
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   On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman
   j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  
   Yes you will.  The batteries will probably be around 27v which
   Ubnt
   won't like.  You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the
   batteries
   to 24v.
  
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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-15 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote:
 It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
 I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the parallel
 segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
 installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will
 work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery
 cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop from
 12v will be negligible

 So this is how it would be:
 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v batteries
 connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the parallel
 segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of the
 load connected to the charge controller at 24v

 What do you think?

 - - -
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 M: +234-803-5610040
 M: +234-809-8610040
 f...@adalemo.com




 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
 wrote:

 Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up then
 there was probably a short somewhere.

 -Kristian


 On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:

 Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
 I will check though they swear that they did


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 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v but
 without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin discharging.
 If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected wrong, not
 that the voltage was too high.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What's your typical config for the NSM5?
 Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
 charger connected just battery) and it fried good

 - - -
 Olufemi Adalemo
 M: +234-803-5610040
 M: +234-809-8610040
 f...@adalemo.com




 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
 wrote:

 We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at 27.6V.
 The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't power
 on with 27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage
 protection until 28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.

 -Kristian


 On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged,
 it's usually 27v.

 I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could
 reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Aha, thanks
 That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
 I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v
 regulated power

 - - -
 Olufemi Adalemo
 M: +234-803-5610040
 M: +234-809-8610040
 f...@adalemo.com




 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Yes you will.  The batteries will probably be around 27v which Ubnt
 won't like.  You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the batteries to 24v.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Need help,
 I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply.
 Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that it
 requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v, do I 
 need a
 DC to DC converter?

 Best regards,
 - - -
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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-15 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Where did you put that diode? I have done this and at the low power
that is needed they do not get noticeably warm at all.

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 I tried that method.  Diode got hotter than hell.  Burnt right through the
 insulation I covered it with (and since it was bent the jacket came right
 off).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
 wrote:

 Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
 the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
 the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix

 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
  I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the
  parallel
  segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
  installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will
  work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery
  cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop
  from
  12v will be negligible
 
  So this is how it would be:
  24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v
  batteries
  connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the
  parallel
  segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of
  the
  load connected to the charge controller at 24v
 
  What do you think?
 
  - - -
  Olufemi Adalemo
  M: +234-803-5610040
  M: +234-809-8610040
  f...@adalemo.com
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
  wrote:
 
  Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up
  then
  there was probably a short somewhere.
 
  -Kristian
 
 
  On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
 
  Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
  I will check though they swear that they did
 
 
  - - -
  Olufemi Adalemo
  M: +234-803-5610040
  M: +234-809-8610040
  f...@adalemo.com
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 
  What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v but
  without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin
  discharging.
  If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected wrong,
  not
  that the voltage was too high.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  What's your typical config for the NSM5?
  Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
  charger connected just battery) and it fried good
 
  - - -
  Olufemi Adalemo
  M: +234-803-5610040
  M: +234-809-8610040
  f...@adalemo.com
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
  kh...@fire2wire.com
  wrote:
 
  We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at
  27.6V.
  The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't
  power
  on with 27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage
  protection until 28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
 
  -Kristian
 
 
  On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
  Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged,
  it's usually 27v.
 
  I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could
  reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo
  adal...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Aha, thanks
  That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
  I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v
  regulated power
 
  - - -
  Olufemi Adalemo
  M: +234-803-5610040
  M: +234-809-8610040
  f...@adalemo.com
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 
  Yes you will.  The batteries will probably be around 27v which
  Ubnt
  won't like.  You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the batteries
  to 24v.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo
  adal...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Need help,
  I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply.
  Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that
  it
  requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v,
  do I need a
  DC to DC converter?
 
  Best regards,
  - - -
  Olufemi Adalemo
  M: +234-803-5610040
  M: +234-809-8610040
  f...@adalemo.com
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Can they really do this?

2012-09-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
IANAL but, I am fairly sure P15 only applies to RF, not to the OSI layers.
If the FCC does have control of the OSI layers from a P15 device then
people doing WEP cracking and such are in violation of P15 and that really
is a stretch.

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote:

 If there is an AP that does that and it is operating in Part15, it
 would be directly in violation of the very rules that gave the device its
 right to exist!
 The major substance of Part-15 reads: This device complies with Part 15 of
 the FCC Rules. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1)
 this device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device must
 accept any interference received, including interference that may cause
 undesired operation.

 If the poster has actually seen an AP that does what he says it does then
 it would be in violation of Part 15 itself and thus an entity could lodge a
 formal complaint against the
 person or entity that was operating said AP and possibly end up with a
 $25,000.00 ticket.  YMMV




  *---Original Message---*

  *From:* Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com
 *Date:* 9/22/2012 5:34:47 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Can they really do this?

 There's a current debate raging right now on the NANOG list about the ins
 and outs of setting up large temporary networks for things like
 conventions.

 This one post caught my attention. Has anyone heard of a WiFi AP that will
 spoof neighboring networks to intentionally interfere with them, not by
 occupying/jamming the spectrum in a brute force way, but rather by
 impersonating the other network and rejecting new associations?

 The quote:

  One of which I forgot to mention. Many of the hotels (I believe all
  Hilton properties at this time) have sold the facilities space for their
  wifi network to another company. They CAN'T negotiate it with you,
  because they don't own it any more. And most of these wifi networks have
  stealth killers enabled, so that they spoof any other wifi zone they see
  and send back reject messages to the clients. So you can't run them side
  by side.

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Re: [WISPA] Can they really do this?

2012-09-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
The FCC is in general, and should be, only interested in disruptive RF,
like jamming (high powered RF signal thats only there to desense the
receiver). RF talk to RF and causing a denial of service should not be in
their purview. Remember back when linksys APs with just the right firmware
on them would start sucking all the associations? That is not a FCC thing.
Now, if those same APs were, from the factory, running over legal limits,
that would be a FCC thing. IANAL IMO etc


On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote:

 Corrected grammar

 If not with RF, how do you suppose that an AP would interfere with another
 AP? That is what the poster is asking about.

 I am curious on how you would crack a WEP key without using RF signal.
 What you are talking about is criminal and you're right, breaking into
 secure APs are not under the rules of Part-15.




  *---Original Message---*

  *From:* Doug Clark d...@txox.com
 *Date:* 9/23/2012 9:29:49 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Can they really do this?




  *---Original Message---*

  *From:* Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
 *Date:* 9/23/2012 5:53:20 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Can they really do this?

 IANAL but, I am fairly sure P15 only applies to RF, not to the OSI layers.
 If the FCC does have control of the OSI layers from a P15 device then
 people doing WEP cracking and such are in violation of P15 and that really
 is a stretch.

 On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote:
 If there is an AP that does that and it is operating in Part15, it
 would be directly in violation of the very rules that gave the device its
 right to exist!
 The major substance of Part-15 reads: This device complies with Part 15 of
 the FCC Rules. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1)
 this device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device must
 accept any interference received, including interference that may cause
 undesired operation.

 If the poster has actually seen an AP that does what he says it does then
 it would be in violation of Part 15 itself and thus an entity could lodge a
 formal complaint against the
 person or entity that was operating said AP and possibly end up with a
 $25,000.00 ticket.  YMMV




  *---Original Message---*

  *From:* Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com
 *Date:* 9/22/2012 5:34:47 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Can they really do this?

 There's a current debate raging right now on the NANOG list about the ins
 and outs of setting up large temporary networks for things like
 conventions.

 This one post caught my attention. Has anyone heard of a WiFi AP that will
 spoof neighboring networks to intentionally interfere with them, not by
 occupying/jamming the spectrum in a brute force way, but rather by
 impersonating the other network and rejecting new associations?

 The quote:

  One of which I forgot to mention. Many of the hotels (I believe all
  Hilton properties at this time) have sold the facilities space for their
  wifi network to another company. They CAN'T negotiate it with you,
  because they don't own it any more. And most of these wifi networks have
  stealth killers enabled, so that they spoof any other wifi zone they see
  and send back reject messages to the clients. So you can't run them side
  by side.

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Re: [WISPA] Charter Business Contact?

2012-09-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Thanks. Hoping to find someone who can engineer a slightly out of box product.

Jeromie

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Tim Harris timhar...@dwisp.net wrote:
 Should've given you his email as well.

 jason.gr...@chartercom.com


 Tim



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[WISPA] Charter Business Contact?

2012-09-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Anyone have a Charter business contact they can share?

Jeromie Reeves
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[WISPA] Solar Panel stock around Eastern Oregon?

2012-09-02 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Anyone know of a dealer around the Walla Walla to Boise area with a
local warehouse or someone that has around 200w of panel they can part
with? I can drive farther if need be. I just lost another wind
generator due to gusting wind. Those little cheap units were only good
for 40mph according to the manufacturer. The panels I bought for the
site were over at the test site and apparently they were urgently
needed by someone else a while back and I just had not replaced them
yet.

Jeromie
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[WISPA] Wholesale dialup

2012-08-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Anyone offer wholesale dialup or know a good place that does?

Jeormie
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Re: [WISPA] Wholesale dialup

2012-08-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Thank you all for the information. Hopefully the very small number of
people who want it will be happy.

Jeromie
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[WISPA] Its Friday, Feels like Monday.

2012-07-27 Thread Jeromie Reeves
http://i.imgur.com/hiGWy.jpg

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Re: [WISPA] Hybrid cable - fiber and copper

2012-06-05 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I could use some fiber (4 or 6 strand) with coax and 2 pair of #14 or
#16 wire for power, but i only want around 50 miles of it

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Looking at this with Corning.  They're looking for a general idea of
 what YOU are looking for.  They know what I want.  They are looking to
 be somewhat modular/expandable based on what the needs are.

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Re: [WISPA] Site Survey Method

2012-05-17 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Many android tablets have ethernet ports.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Google-Android-2-3-PC-Netbook-Tablet-4GB-Superpad-GPS-HDMI-Camera-Bundle-/261026229869?pt=US_Tabletshash=item3cc6602e6d

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com wrote:
 At 11:05 AM 5/16/2012, you wrote:
Trying to figure out a good way to do site surveys and monitor
signal strength while on the customer's roof

 To this day, I'm still using the same iPad PDA I used 12 years ago
 when I bought it.  I've not seen anything come along that would replace it.

 It's a PDA with the accessory pack thing attached, so that I can
 run an Orinoco PCMCIA card in it.  Someone back then whipped up
 driver for WinCE so that the Orinico card worked.  (Lonnie)  With
 that and a hand held small tubular yagi, it works like a charm.  It
 reads 802.11b only of course.  Shows other AP's, signal strength,
 noise floor, etc.  I use a 15db yagi and pigtail to the
 Orinoco.  Climb onto the roof, sweep for signal, read the level, and
 you can easily calculate margin for various alternative antennas.

 What I'd really like to find is a hand held device like that with an
 Etnernet port.  It seems nobody puts Ethernet ports in anything
 smaller than a laptop and even that's getting replaced more and more
 with wireless.

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Re: [WISPA] More spectrum?

2012-04-02 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Right. This is the next part of the puzzle. John Scrivner wrong to the
list a email titled [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is
buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi.

This auction sums up my post in that thread. The cellco's are getting
smarter about what the users want and about how to
deliver it to them. Look at the partnerships that cellco's are making
with cable co's. The cable companies already have large
high speed footprints. Its trivial to throw a cable modem with a AP in
it onto a pole. Suddenly you have a very large roamable
footprint, if only that wifi chipset had a little more cellular sauce
in it. Atheros chips very well could do it with some good
firmware, look at Ubnt. They are pretty close with their GPS, for a
small in house project. Look at what Ubnt did with just a
highly experienced RF team? AirFiber. Now do the same with more money
and in a cellular project aimed at very small and
very fast cells. Sky is not falling, yet.

Jeromie

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:54 AM,  wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 I see that going to the cellular guys.



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Re: [WISPA] More spectrum?

2012-04-02 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Are you a cell co? I do not see anyone with out deep pockets getting
the RF. Not unless the FCC does this auction in very small
chunks.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote:

 That is exactly what I was thinking. We sure could use it!

 --- On Mon, 4/2/12, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:


 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] More spectrum?
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 9:22 AM


 Right. This is the next part of the puzzle. John Scrivner wrong to the
 list a email titled [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is
 buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi.

 This auction sums up my post in that thread. The cellco's are getting
 smarter about what the users want and about how to
 deliver it to them. Look at the partnerships that cellco's are making
 with cable co's. The cable companies already have large
 high speed footprints. Its trivial to throw a cable modem with a AP in
 it onto a pole. Suddenly you have a very large roamable
 footprint, if only that wifi chipset had a little more cellular sauce
 in it. Atheros chips very well could do it with some good
 firmware, look at Ubnt. They are pretty close with their GPS, for a
 small in house project. Look at what Ubnt did with just a
 highly experienced RF team? AirFiber. Now do the same with more money
 and in a cellular project aimed at very small and
 very fast cells. Sky is not falling, yet.

 Jeromie

 On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:54 AM,  wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
  I see that going to the cellular guys.
 
 
 
  -
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
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Re: [WISPA] More spectrum?

2012-04-02 Thread Jeromie Reeves
ah! Yes I agree we could use the spectrum. I bet Ubnt could retool the M2
line for it in a hurry. What would it take to get this licensed in very
small chunks, or even licensed lite? Ill go wake up in a few min.

Jeromie Reeves

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote:

 No,I'm not. I was just saying we sure could use it!!!


 --- On *Mon, 4/2/12, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net* wrote:


 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] More spectrum?
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 9:32 AM


 Are you a cell co? I do not see anyone with out deep pockets getting
 the RF. Not unless the FCC does this auction in very small
 chunks.

 On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Jason Bailey 
 j284...@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=j284...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  That is exactly what I was thinking. We sure could use it!
 
  --- On Mon, 4/2/12, Jeromie Reeves 
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 wrote:
 
 
  From: Jeromie Reeves 
  jree...@18-30chat.nethttp://mc/compose?to=jree...@18-30chat.net
 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] More spectrum?
  To: WISPA General List 
  wireless@wispa.orghttp://mc/compose?to=wireless@wispa.org
 
  Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 9:22 AM
 
 
  Right. This is the next part of the puzzle. John Scrivner wrong to the
  list a email titled [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is
  buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi.
 
  This auction sums up my post in that thread. The cellco's are getting
  smarter about what the users want and about how to
  deliver it to them. Look at the partnerships that cellco's are making
  with cable co's. The cable companies already have large
  high speed footprints. Its trivial to throw a cable modem with a AP in
  it onto a pole. Suddenly you have a very large roamable
  footprint, if only that wifi chipset had a little more cellular sauce
  in it. Atheros chips very well could do it with some good
  firmware, look at Ubnt. They are pretty close with their GPS, for a
  small in house project. Look at what Ubnt did with just a
  highly experienced RF team? AirFiber. Now do the same with more money
  and in a cellular project aimed at very small and
  very fast cells. Sky is not falling, yet.
 
  Jeromie
 
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   I see that going to the cellular guys.
  
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] More spectrum?

2012-04-02 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:
 At 4/2/2012 09:22 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
Right. This is the next part of the puzzle. John Scrivner wrong to the
list a email titled [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is
buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi.

This auction sums up my post in that thread. The cellco's are getting
smarter about what the users want and about how to
deliver it to them. Look at the partnerships that cellco's are making
with cable co's. The cable companies already have large
high speed footprints. Its trivial to throw a cable modem with a AP in
it onto a pole. Suddenly you have a very large roamable
footprint, if only that wifi chipset had a little more cellular sauce
in it.

 Just to clarify, AP generally means WiFi.  Most smartphones already
 have WiFi, so it's just a matter of getting them to use it.  But the
 cellcos could also choose to adopt picocells or DAS, where they mount
 a cell on every block or so, possibly hanging from the cable.  That
 latter case uses the cellco's licensed frequencies.  It puts more
 pressure on their spectrum, but lets them bill for the usage.

Right I should say PicoCell instead of AP. It really does not put more pressure
on the spectrum as it will be gps synced. Smaller, tighter cells
releases pressure
from the RF by offloading.


 Since Americans prefer flat-rate plans, the cellcos seem to be moving
 away from charging by the bit and more towards monthly plans.  This
 changes their incentive from wanting more bits to wanting
 fewer.  Think about how the LD business moved away from advertising
 usage (the next best thing to being there) to discouraging usage
 (railing against access stimulation).  So it looks like they'd
 really rather your smartphone move to WiFi when home and not tie up
 their network.

Right but this is where I think the cellco's got smart. They know that
is not going to fly
for long or very well. Also bits is not the main issue. RF congestion
is and this kind
of picocell setup would solve a lot of that. The main reason people do
not use their
wifi is the convenience of not having to switch radios. A cellco
powered wifi would go
a long way to making people happy in that regard. Also, look at all
the special use they
can bill for.


Atheros chips very well could do it with some good
firmware, look at Ubnt. They are pretty close with their GPS, for a
small in house project. Look at what Ubnt did with just a
highly experienced RF team? AirFiber. Now do the same with more money
and in a cellular project aimed at very small and
very fast cells. Sky is not falling, yet.

 Atheros is now part of Qualcomm, which of course makes cell phone
 chipsets too.  There are already cheap femtocells (home-based) that
 do the RF side of the cellular system (NodeB) while parasitically
 feeding the customer's Internet connection, giving the cellco, in
 effect, free backhaul.  (Why should Vonage have all the fun?)  An
 outdoor picocell is a bit more complex but practical in an
 aerial-wire area.  Of course it doesn't do much good in an
 underground-wire area.  Femtocells haven't caught on that much here
 because WiFi is picking up the load.  They are mostly useful when you
 are just out of range of a base station and need to use the cellphone
 at home; WiFi offload doesn't work for receiving phone calls.

Right. And they do work in a underground wire area. They just need to run
wire up a pole some place. Even in 100% underground areas there are light
poles and I have seen wifi on them, cellco's can do it too.


 But going back to the original thread, there's some irony here in how
 the cellcos almost screwed themselves when trying to screw us.  They
 had inserted wording into a budget bill that would have banned the
 FCC from providing any more unlicensed spectrum.  Their minions on
 the Hill thought that they wanted it.  But while the lobbyists were
 pushing that message, the folks on the ground were trying to move
 traffic to WiFi, and thus their own cost-saving plans would have been
 hurt.  They got word back to the Hill on time and thus concurred with
 WISPA and almost everyone else that banning unlicensed would be a bad move.

Gotta love politics.


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Re: [WISPA] UNBT PowerBridge 10

2012-03-28 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Has anyone figured out why its not available in fcc land? The 10ghz
bands have some ptp microwave designation but I
am not familiar with what modulation/antenna/etc are required in the bands

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 It is available where you can legally operate it.

 10Ghz can't be used with the FCC.  Looks like you're in Michigan
 so...no soup for you =(

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 On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Jay DeBoer
 jdeboer-li...@summitdigital.us wrote:
 A) is the PowerBridge M10 actually out on the street or is this an
 available soon product.
 B) if it is out is anyone using it?


  I'm looking at some new ptp links and am leaning heavily toward licensed

 thanks for the input

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics

2012-03-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
How long till they ship? Then how long to real availability? And does
anyone have test units? That 13km is a bit far for 24ghz. The PDF does not
say if it can automatically rate shift or not. I am already working out
links that this could replace (about 12 of them)
but they are all 5mi+/-

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote:

 Yes sir!  And the price is actually 2995.00 per link!!  Taking
 pre-orders as we speak.




  *---Original Message---*

  *From:* Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
 *Date:* 3/23/2012 8:32:25 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics

 I read that it was for a pair, is that incorrect?

 On 3/23/2012 10:14 AM, Doug Clark wrote:
2999.00 per link!




  *---Original Message---*

  *From:* Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com
 *Date:* 3/23/2012 11:13:51 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics


 Price range ?  :)
 On Mar 23, 2012 12:06 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

 700 mbps fdx, 1.4 Gig Agg



 24Ghz



 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Zach Mann
 *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2012 1:04 PM
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 Nice.  Gig speeds ?

 On Mar 23, 2012 12:01 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:





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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics

2012-03-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That is what I figured from experience too. I would love to be wrong and
they have some kinda magic sauce
that makes it work.

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote:

 Honestly I do not see these links being solid at 5 miles.  That's
 just my opinion and experience with 23 and 24ghz freq.  It does have ACM so
 it will demodulate.




  *---Original Message---*

  *From:* Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
 *Date:* 3/23/2012 9:22:59 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics

 How long till they ship? Then how long to real availability? And does
 anyone have test units? That 13km is a bit far for 24ghz. The PDF does not
 say if it can automatically rate shift or not. I am already working out
 links that this could replace (about 12 of them)
 but they are all 5mi+/-

 On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote:
 Yes sir!  And the price is actually 2995.00 per link!!  Taking
 pre-orders as we speak.




  *---Original Message---*

  *From:* Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
 *Date:* 3/23/2012 8:32:25 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics

 I read that it was for a pair, is that incorrect?

 On 3/23/2012 10:14 AM, Doug Clark wrote:
2999.00 per link!




  *---Original Message---*

  *From:* Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com
 *Date:* 3/23/2012 11:13:51 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics


 Price range ?  :)
 On Mar 23, 2012 12:06 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

 700 mbps fdx, 1.4 Gig Agg



 24Ghz



 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
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 *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2012 1:04 PM
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 *Cc:* a...@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics



 Nice.  Gig speeds ?

 On Mar 23, 2012 12:01 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:





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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Jeromie Reeves
We put in a enclosure and that let us say it was 'indoors' and drop
the gfci requirement.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Troy Settle tset...@thewiredroad.net wrote:
 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One
 of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just
 to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).



 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without
 violating code?



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Re: [WISPA] DFS2 gear

2012-02-28 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Yup, Its been 10 years since I used it in my wisp. When the next line
came out it did no better then Atheros based radios in my environment
and cost 5x as much to deploy. I do not have a business rich
environment, and even if I did, they do not like $500 installs and
$100/mo. This makes my primary target residential users. Ubnt delivers
now, just not in 5.4-5.7 and I have pressure
to expand as well as have room to move around a competitor who has 5.4
links now but wants to replace them with 5.8. There is no (or very
little) 5.8 room due to how and where both of our towers sit.

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 Yikes, seem ages you haven't looked at Canopy, Classic Aps do 14 Mbps, new 
 ones 45 Mbps, next one (Q2 2012) 90 Mbps

 Gino A. Villarini
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 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
 Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 9:40 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DFS2 gear

 A contact at the FCC told me years ago that it meant you can not do /new/ 
 installs of the old DFS gear. Anyone have a FCC rep saying something 
 different?

 Why not Canopy? $2000 AP's, $400 CPE and 3~4mbit. I am sure that has came 
 down since my first Canopy pack back in the pre-nehalm(sp) days.

 Looking at Axxcelera. Might be in the same vein and Canopy. Anyone with 
 experience that wants to share? I do not want to just buy a stop gap product 
 that will work till Ubnt get their stuff ready.
 This is going to be direction we head in once we find gear.

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[WISPA] DFS2 gear

2012-02-27 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Is there anything out there that is DFS2 certified for PtMP ? I know
of Canopy and (someday) Ubnt. Everything else
I know if is hi-cap PtP but all my links are to long for those.

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Re: [WISPA] DFS2 gear

2012-02-27 Thread Jeromie Reeves
The Trango site says For export only. Not for U.S.A. on the 5.3
gear. This would indicate it has DFS but not DFS2. Am I looking at the
wrong product?

http://www.trangobroadband.com/wireless-products/multipoint-broadband-access/Access5830-System.aspx


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j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Trango 5830

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 wrote:
 Is there anything out there that is DFS2 certified for PtMP ? I know
 of Canopy and (someday) Ubnt. Everything else
 I know if is hi-cap PtP but all my links are to long for those.

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Re: [WISPA] DFS2 gear

2012-02-27 Thread Jeromie Reeves
A contact at the FCC told me years ago that it meant you can not do
/new/ installs of the old DFS gear. Anyone have a FCC rep saying
something different?

Why not Canopy? $2000 AP's, $400 CPE and 3~4mbit. I am sure that has
came down since my first Canopy pack back in the pre-nehalm(sp) days.

Looking at Axxcelera. Might be in the same vein and Canopy. Anyone
with experience that wants to share? I do not want to just
buy a stop gap product that will work till Ubnt get their stuff ready.
This is going to be direction we head in once we find gear.

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Re: [WISPA] DFS2 gear

2012-02-27 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Yea but the FCC does not agree and I have no desire to find out what
the fines might be. If I felt like skirting the rules I would
lightup some Ubnt on 5.4 with DFS2. At least that has the radar
scanning the FCC wants. They say they are just waiting on certs for
the other M gear. I am feeling pressure from users and competitors and
5.4 will be the best way to relieve it.


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 The way I see it, technically, is if the AP is in the air what does it
 matter if you did another customer?

 I only have 1 AP that is using it, there were 2 customers.  Never touched
 them myself (2007 forward).  They are moving to Ubnt 2.4 now.  Didn't spend
 any time researching rules.

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 On Feb 27, 2012 8:40 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

 A contact at the FCC told me years ago that it meant you can not do
 /new/ installs of the old DFS gear. Anyone have a FCC rep saying
 something different?

 Why not Canopy? $2000 AP's, $400 CPE and 3~4mbit. I am sure that has
 came down since my first Canopy pack back in the pre-nehalm(sp) days.

 Looking at Axxcelera. Might be in the same vein and Canopy. Anyone
 with experience that wants to share? I do not want to just
 buy a stop gap product that will work till Ubnt get their stuff ready.
 This is going to be direction we head in once we find gear.

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Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buyingBelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-02-10 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Very nice post. You are wrong. Very well thought out about what is
'wifi' today. By the time 2017 (or even closer dates)
get here the network will not be called 'wifi' and it wont be. I think
what the cellco's are looking for, and might find, is a wireless
protocol that lets the have even smaller cells (like wifi) but gives
this the stability of 'cellular' as it exists now. Think of it as a
hybrid. Cellcos would love to increase capacity if the AP's did not
cost millions to toss in. Hell $10,000 AP's and they would deploy
them every place, including out by farmer Johns barn and Maid Marians
Dairy. This is not about WiFi as it exists but about
what it will become. Ubnt has shown that Atheros chips can do
interesting things when the right brain is put to work on it.
Imagine Ubnt reworked by people with a budget 100x theirs is, with
decades more experience then them. Toss those devices
onto a full fiber back-haul (most NFL cities have decent fiber rings)
and most small towns are so small its trivial to fiber them if
they do not already have at least a passing fiber. The people out in
BFE will have more classic (LTE) cellular available to them and it
will 'be enough'. Im not scared of the cell go killing my wisp
business any time soon. I am scared I will not be able to deploy fiber
myself. Once the cellco has a good fiber ring in some city, why not
add wire-line services to it, or lease it to someone else to do it
with.



On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:
 I'm not saying I disagree. John's prediction may very well be the outcome.
 I'm just saying, I heard the same arguement in 2005 about 2010 predictions,
 and we aren't dead yet.
 I've never questioned the service provider's interest in going after that
 market. I just question the consumer's interest in accepting it. Right now
 Mobile wifi is fun and cool, because it is new, just like any other Fad.
 Last year it was mobile Facebook or twitter. This year its mobile scrabble
 (with Internet opponents), something for parent to do while waiting for
 junior's guitar lesson to be over. But evenually, the fun will wear its
 welcome thin, because it wont be fun anymore. People dont like AD-HTTP-SPAM.
 People want privacy. People dont want to be found.

 My prediction for 2017  is that 90% of all Americans will have thrown their
 Android in the nearest lake atleast once, yelling victoriously , I have had
 enough, I am done with the mobile Wifi, I want my life back, I am Free!.
 And then they will probably go back and buy another one, because they
 realize they should have a phone in case of Emergency or if their car breaks
 down, becaue they feel helpless and empty without the ability to make an
 outbound call from anywhere when ever they want. Or miss the security that
 their kid can call them any time. There is a real need for that type of
 communication.  But the mobile wifi?

 In 2017, Wifi will be Passe. People will say, why am I doing this, Does this
 realy help me? Do I really need to check my home fridgerator's temporature
 remotely? Some people will look down on other people that use their mobile
 Wifi in public, as if they are a rude persons that ignores those around them
 just to stare at a small screen, or someone that has lost their ability to
 socialize in a real way with real people around them.  To much of a good
 thing becomes a bad thing. Wifi will officilay be listed as a disease, and
 a new branch will be opened at Betty Ford Clinic, for Wifi addicts.
 Our children, the new generation which would have been raised on wifi by
 then,  will be tough to wean off Wifi back to society. Sorta like daress
 syndrum (not sure spelling), people will walk around  having these
 uncontrollable urges and involuntary twitches every few minutes, where their
 neck will slap to the side, as if they were checking their invisible Android
 for the next Email alert. Cases of sleeping pill overdose would have
 skyrocketed, for all those People that never got an ounch of sleep at night
 because their cell phone beeps every 2 miuntes through out the night, and
 their obsession forces them to actually check the alerts instead of turn off
 their phone. Their treatment will be to get rid of the Android. AA will
 expand to offer Wifi addict groups, which will be a successful program
 because of the LIVE human social aspect of the group, something the
 attendees secretly longed for as a Wifi android. Unemployment will be the
 highest ever, and the number one cause for firing will be that the employee
 couldn't focus on work or wasn't productive, because they were always on
 their personal mobile wifi phone, instead of working..
 Then Wifi Providers will start to think, why are we doing this? How can we
 make any money if all our customers are in rehab and talk groups and out of
 money, instead of in the stores shopping?

  The death toll from people getting hit crossing the street will skyrocket,
 and the mobile Wifi will be the 

Re: [WISPA] Yuma, TX

2012-02-09 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Doh. Yes Yuma AZ. Was on the phone talking about wISPs in TX when I
sent the email. My apologies.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote:
 I can't find Yuma, TX on a map.

 Do you mean Yuma, AZ? Yuma is in my coverage area. We have a large influx of 
 snowbird customer's whom we service on a month-to-month basis.

 www.beamspeed.com

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 On Feb 8, 2012, at 19:33, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

 Anyone know of a service in Yuma TX. Client is a snowbird. Will be
 there another two months and is generally on site for 3 to 5 months
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[WISPA] Yuma, TX

2012-02-08 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Anyone know of a service in Yuma TX. Client is a snowbird. Will be
there another two months and is generally on site for 3 to 5 months
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Re: [WISPA] Engenius hardware from Microcenter (don't do it!)

2012-01-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I had looked at them but they cost more so did not see a reason to try
them as Ubnt works for me. I have heard of some serious issues with
Ubnt gear from August/October time. I bought gear to last with all the
shortages. Its time to order more and might
give the Engenius gear a closer look.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net wrote:
 Unrelated, I would be curious if anyone has had acceptable experience with
 Engenius' Nanostation M clone, the ENH200 and ENH500.

 Googling the OpenWRT and DD-WRT forums doesn't suggest anyone has been
 playing around with them.


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Re: [WISPA] vps and bgp

2012-01-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I will pass that along, thank you.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Hit up k...@steadfast.net

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 Does anyone know of a VPS hosting service that will pass BGP on to the
 client? Client has ASN.

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[WISPA] vps and bgp

2012-01-10 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Does anyone know of a VPS hosting service that will pass BGP on to the
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Re: [WISPA] Kazaa / Skype Founder wants to offer free FreedomPop 4G mobile broadband

2011-12-11 Thread Jeromie Reeves
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-09/falcone-s-lightsquared-said-to-disrupt-75-of-gps-in-tests.html

They have to fix this tiny issue of interference before moving to far.
Sprint should (and looks to be thinking the same thing)
have done this with Clear.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lots of fluff, but if they pull this off, this could be to mobile
 broadband what Skype was to telephony and Kazaa was to music business.
 http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/press-releases/lightsquared-and-skype-co-founders-freedompop-partner-offer-free-broadband-
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

2011-11-07 Thread Jeromie Reeves
90* and 60*

I need to shut out interference and increase per sector capacity. I am
lucky in that I can design my sites to be highly isolated at the ap.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Shane MacDonald wi...@kpperformance.cawrote:


 We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in
 December.
 Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December release
 date and want your feedback.
 The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion
 between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require.

 Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response
 will weigh heavily on our decision.

 Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Boost Your WiFi Signal Using Only a Beer Can

2011-10-24 Thread Jeromie Reeves
cough 25 gl drums make good ubnt shields couch

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote:
 50 gallon drum works better!

 \On 10/24/2011 08:55 AM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] America's Broadband Heroes: Fixed Wireless Broadband Providers

2011-10-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
There is no http service running on the server.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists
li...@manageisp.com wrote:
 Here is the link my white paper about fixed wireless broadband providers.



 http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252preview=true





 We will be adding more maps and tables of statistics for the WISP only areas

 later.   This was very well received at the WISPAPALOOZA show today.



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Re: [WISPA] WISPA FCC Filing on Poles, Rights of Way, etc.

2011-07-21 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Very interesting. WISPs can have it for the same franchise agreement
that others use to get into the ROWs. My issue is that
most poles here are to short for another player, namely, its setup for
Power at the top, 3ft down to the LV stuff, 2ft down to phone,
6in to cable, and blamo no more room to add a cable run and stay above
the road clearance. This means going underground and
that adds a lot of expense, but mostly its the time that doing so
takes. The place that I have a true hurdle is rail roads. 12K min
PER crossing.

Yes I read the document and I do see how the wording could put WISPs
at a disadvantage. I would like to hear from WISPs that
have been denied ROW access because they were not cable/telco/etc.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
 This week WISPA filed FCC Comments highlighting the deployment hurdles that
 WISPs face that cable companies and telecommunications companies do not
 face. Cable and telco companies enjoy pole attachment and other facilities
 and siting privileges that WISPs do not have. WISPA urged the FCC to act to
 extend these siting and facilities privileges to WISPs.

 Our complete filling is attached.

 As always, questions are welcomed.

 Respectfully Submitted,

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 Chair - WISPA FCC Committee
 818-227-4220

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Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

2011-07-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
WEP is crackable in as little as 5 min. Average is around 15.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Wilson Hernandez
wil...@optimumwireless.com wrote:
 I'm doing straight MAC auth with MT and nothing else. Today I noticed an
 intruder who cloned a client's NS2 MAC address and it looks like it did a
 ipscan to get a customer's ip address and access the internet... That's the
 only tower I have without WEP key... I have all towers with mac auth and wep
 key. That happens for being lazy.



 On 7/13/2011 5:37 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

 What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through radius
 on the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server is going
 to provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What are you
 using as a billing/provisioning platform?
 Cameron

 Cameron

 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher jbows...@midwaynet.net
 wrote:

 I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my
 wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from
 it. I use mikrotik AP’s and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot
 mac auth and it worked and still works in some of my AP’s but some of the
 more crowded locations fell on their face. I am looking for either a way to
 improve that method or I need a centralized box that would control
 authentication and let my billing server and radius server still provision
 speeds and determine that a customer has paid their bill. Currently I am
 open to suggestions of what authentication options are available with my
 mikrotik equipment and I am willing to pay consultation fees if necessary
 when I get an Idea that will work like I want it to. Also, I hand out both
 private IP’s and public IP’s only when the customer requests them, and
 currently if a customer requests a public static I create a custom profile
 in radius and they get the only IP in a custom pool setup for that profile.
 Thank you in advance for any and all advice and ideas.



 Regards,



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 Midwaynet.net

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT files $200M IPO

2011-06-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That was a very interesting read.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2011/06/20/ubiquiti-networks-files-200m-ipo.html

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT hotspot controller

2011-06-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Well its June, So who has stock?

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote:
 The POE stuff is not available yet, but was announced.  The model they
 announced earlier this year is the RB-750UP

 http://www.3dbwireless.com/boyd/?p=479

 -   Same form factor as regular RB750
 +  USB port
 +  24V Power Output on four ports
 * Controllable PoE out
 * SNMP support
 * Voltage and current monitors
 +  Can power PoE capable devices
 +  Less cables and PoE injectors
 -   Available in May June


 On 6/14/2011 11:24 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

 Check their site. I think they just came out with some PoE stuff.



 Otherwise the RB750 is enough to handle many many sessions.



 There are plenty of How To's on VPN server/client.



 - Jerry



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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT hotspot controller



 That could work. I like that idea. I’m a Mikrotik novice, what sort of
 hardware should I be using? Anything with PoE injector built in to power the
 UniFi APs?



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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:46
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT hotspot controller



 Why not use MT Routers to PPTP tunnel the remote networks back to your NOC
 with one one server managing/monitoring all the networks?



 Less costly and you get the benefit of a single server to view all the
 networks and a MT on site for diagnostics and bandwidth management.



 - Jerry



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 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:21 AM
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 Is anyone using Ubiquiti’s UniFi APs and running the controller software on
 a device other than a normal PC server?



 I’d like to deploy these things at some remote locations (free public WiFi
 hotspots) and am looking for a single board computer or something like a
 SheevaPlug that will run the controller software and is small, inexpensive,
 and doesn’t consume much power.



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Re: [WISPA] Android App

2011-06-06 Thread Jeromie Reeves
My research says its a limitation on the chipset, however it was not
100% exhaustive so there might be one out there. 2.4 noise is why we
no longer use
it for any thing except the most rural of PtP shots, often with much
dirt blocking any expected noise sources. Maybe Ubnt will make a BT
Wifi SA ?

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I have a few WiFi analyzers on my Droid and they are very useful when setting 
 up a clients router to make sure they aren't on my Channel.  None have 40Mhz, 
 10Mhz or 5 Mhz width ability.  Is there one out there or is this a limitation 
 of the WiFi chipset in the phone.

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Re: [WISPA] Android App

2011-06-06 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I have not found any atheros chipset phones so far. I would love to be
wrong but I suspect there are none. Phones are made with the cheapest
stuff possible, even
the $600 ones.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Philip Dorr
wirel...@judgementgaming.com wrote:
 It is likely the chipset is a Broadcom with both WiFi and Bluetooth on
 the same chip.

 Both my N1 and G2 use the bcm4329 Linux module.  Of course both are made by 
 HTC.

 On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Android is Linux.  The chipset is probably Atheros.  I'm sure it can be
 done, but how difficult it will be is another situation.

 I expect you'll need to root the phone and replace the driver and then write
 your own application that understands 5/10/40 channels.

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 My research says its a limitation on the chipset, however it was not
 100% exhaustive so there might be one out there. 2.4 noise is why we
 no longer use
 it for any thing except the most rural of PtP shots, often with much
 dirt blocking any expected noise sources. Maybe Ubnt will make a BT
 Wifi SA ?

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  I have a few WiFi analyzers on my Droid and they are very useful when
  setting up a clients router to make sure they aren't on my Channel.  None
  have 40Mhz, 10Mhz or 5 Mhz width ability.  Is there one out there or is 
  this
  a limitation of the WiFi chipset in the phone.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR5A Tx power

2011-05-21 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Probes, which can be thought of as beacons from a AP. The STA has 2
ways to find APs. Passive and Active. Passive, it just starts
at channel 1 and waits X time for a beacon, then moves to the next
channel (this can be in any order based on manufacture, seams like
it would be faster to passively wait on the odd even channels since
most radios will receive a packet that is off by 1 channel). Active
the send out a probe request asking for AP ESSIS/BSSID X/Y and follows
the same pattern as passive, but waiting only as long as its
probe response timeout allows for.  This is what makes some STA's
re-associate really fast, and others slowly.

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 That seems like a waste, what does it tx?

 On May 21, 2011 1:10 AM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
 Yup they do.

 On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:51 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:


 On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 13:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Why would the radio ever be transmitting if it's in station mode?  I
 thought it only listened this way (and should replicate across Tranzeo,
 other 802.11 product, etc).

 I honestly thought that even unconnected stations periodically
 transmitted
 beacon frames, but it's been rather a long time since I read that
 O'Reilly
 book on the 802.11 standards.

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Re: [WISPA] 2.4GHz 802.11n hardware that will do 40MHz and 20MHz channels simultaneously?

2011-05-21 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That is when running a mixed 11A/11N or 11B/GN modes only. When
running only 11N mode, it does not have to. I know UBNT does not let
us change the mixed mode on the M gear
so it is what ever they designed support for.

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 I asked this on the UBNT forum but received no answer.

 The 802.11n specification states that when an AP is set to 40MHz channels it 
 should allow older gear that's only capable of 20MHz channels to connect in 
 that mode as well.

 With 2.4GHz UBNT gear I'm finding that if the AP is set to 40MHz then that's 
 all it will allow clients to connect at - clients that are not capable of 
 40MHz channels just don't connect. Apple gear and some others won't do 40MHz 
 in the 2.4GHz band.

 Does anyone know if there's any cards that could be used the MT routerboards 
 that could do both 40MHz and 20MHz channels simultaneously?

 Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed vs Unlicensed / Carrier-class vs not

2011-05-20 Thread Jeromie Reeves
No interference from cordless phones

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Troy Settle tset...@thewiredroad.net wrote:


 Other than making some guy in a suit feel good and being safer from
 interference, what advantages are there to running a so-called carrier class
 system using a licensed frequency?





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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR5A Tx power

2011-05-20 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Yup they do.

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:51 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:


 On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 13:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Why would the radio ever be transmitting if it's in station mode?  I
 thought it only listened this way (and should replicate across Tranzeo,
 other 802.11 product, etc).

 I honestly thought that even unconnected stations periodically transmitted
 beacon frames, but it's been rather a long time since I read that O'Reilly
 book on the 802.11 standards.

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Re: [WISPA] Utility Pole repeaters

2011-05-03 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I looked into that, and it was to much of a pain with the power
co/city. I just go to home owners and free net gets it done. N5M/NB5M
and a Pico. Waiting on rocket omnis
to see if I will like those.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote:
 Has anybody mounted wireless gear utility poles that are being used by
 power/phone etc with success?

 I'm towing with possibilities of doing this with ubnt M gear Power
 bridge backhaul and Rocket Omni for instant area immediate small area
 coverage
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Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

2011-04-05 Thread Jeromie Reeves
DNSPark

Pretty inexpensive and I have never had a issue with them.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
 I know this is a bit OT, but…



 I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we have two
 datacenters in two different cities.  We need to have some redundancy for
 our publicly accessible servers.  We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS,  and
 auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time –
 we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes
 down.  I’m looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server,
 or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility.
 Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas
 metroplex.   We want something totally independent of our two current data
 centers.



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Re: [WISPA] MT SXT's

2011-03-30 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Do they have a FCC Cert?

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:
 We have had them up for quite some time, no issues yet.  Great performance.
 J



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 Sent: March 30, 2011 3:56 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] MT SXT's



 We just received our first shipment of the SXT’s.  While they are certainly
 very interesting, I am concerned about the ability to weatherproof the
 little door on the bottom.



 Have I missed a previous discussion about these units and the
 weatherproofing of them?



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Re: [WISPA] Electric Fence - Ethernet interference

2011-03-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Ive had that. We ended up moving the gear as far from the controller
as possible and used a different brand of UPS. I forget
both brands ATM, but they were cheapos with replaced batteries. AC
filtering was the key for us.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote:
 We have hopes for a new rooftop repeater just installed. However, after
 installation we were seeing a lot of packet loss at the router of this
 new install. There was no packet loss over the wireless link between
 tower and new rooftop repeater.

 We are using shielded Cat5e. As soon as I unplug the electric fence,
 works perfectly. Our patch cables are not shielded so we are going to
 try that today as well as other suggestions.

 The equipment is all plugged into the same circuit in a barn and there
 is no option for a separate circuit.

 What are your suggestions and experience with this sort of problem.

 Brand of Electric Fence Controller probably 20 years old:

 AGWAY - Electric Fence Controller - Model 66B 15 Mile range


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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on telephone pole

2011-03-04 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I have used the large J arms for a HD sat dish, the one with the 2
extra arms. put the arms to each side of the pole with the J in the
lower middle. Works well.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
 I have a customer location where we have mounted the antenna on a
 satellite arm at the top of a 30' telephone pole.  We need some
 additional height to clear some nearby trees.  What is the best way to
 attach a 10' mast to the pole?  We will need to be able to rotate the
 mast to align the antenna.

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Re: [WISPA] Solar

2011-03-01 Thread Jeromie Reeves
How much space do you have for batteries? Just drop in enough battery
storage for your expected days of grid loss. I have a site with 2x 12v
RV batteries. 180AH each with a plain auto float/bulk charger on them.
The charger runs the equipment and keeps the batteries topped. When AC
is lost the DC is feed from the batteries. Nothing very fancy.

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm thinking secondary. There is power there now but when the ice storms
 come I have seen it be days without power.

 Sent from my iPhone
 On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Wait is solar your primary source or secondary?

 On Feb 28, 2011 10:10 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looking for a solar solution as backup power for two rocket M5's and a
 small switch. This is a remote location with the possibility of a power
 outage that could last a couple days.

 Sent from my iPhone



 
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Re: [WISPA] Solar

2011-03-01 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Les Schwab. They are the size of 3 or 4 car batteries and weight a ^%$#@ ton.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 This has input from the DC power supply and solar.  The batteries came as a
 kit, they are 12v 9ah.

 Where did you find your big batteries, Jeremie?

 On Mar 1, 2011 3:38 AM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
 How much space do you have for batteries? Just drop in enough battery
 storage for your expected days of grid loss. I have a site with 2x 12v
 RV batteries. 180AH each with a plain auto float/bulk charger on them.
 The charger runs the equipment and keeps the batteries topped. When AC
 is lost the DC is feed from the batteries. Nothing very fancy.

 On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm thinking secondary. There is power there now but when the ice storms
 come I have seen it be days without power.

 Sent from my iPhone
 On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Wait is solar your primary source or secondary?

 On Feb 28, 2011 10:10 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looking for a solar solution as backup power for two rocket M5's and a
 small switch. This is a remote location with the possibility of a power
 outage that could last a couple days.

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Re: [WISPA] Solar

2011-03-01 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Well you did not hear it, you read it!!  =)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 After swapping the truck battery I don't want to hear that!

 On Mar 2, 2011 12:01 AM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
 Les Schwab. They are the size of 3 or 4 car batteries and weight a ^%$#@
 ton.

 On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 This has input from the DC power supply and solar.  The batteries came as
 a
 kit, they are 12v 9ah.

 Where did you find your big batteries, Jeremie?

 On Mar 1, 2011 3:38 AM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
 How much space do you have for batteries? Just drop in enough battery
 storage for your expected days of grid loss. I have a site with 2x 12v
 RV batteries. 180AH each with a plain auto float/bulk charger on them.
 The charger runs the equipment and keeps the batteries topped. When AC
 is lost the DC is feed from the batteries. Nothing very fancy.

 On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I'm thinking secondary. There is power there now but when the ice
 storms
 come I have seen it be days without power.

 Sent from my iPhone
 On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Wait is solar your primary source or secondary?

 On Feb 28, 2011 10:10 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looking for a solar solution as backup power for two rocket M5's and a
 small switch. This is a remote location with the possibility of a
 power
 outage that could last a couple days.

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Re: [WISPA] VPN

2011-02-26 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Plenty. What are your needs?

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 4:29 AM, William Phipps wphipp...@gmail.com wrote:
 Folks,

 Has anyone on the list got any experience of setting up a VPN? Or
 perhaps put me onto someone that does.

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Re: [WISPA] Working! WiFi AAA with free ad supported and paid access on one device

2011-02-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
So wireless orbit will handle the CC side, or do you still need your
own cc processor?


On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:

 After many late nights and tweaking I got this working and it works great. 
 Been running for about 45 days.



 These are a few of the pages the users see:

 Login: http://gyazo.com/ac60d8a2928288ceb894dc2220892d98.png

 Free: http://gyazo.com/9e12831a7c019ed1d751bb5fc9be51bb.png

 Paid: http://gyazo.com/607ca06f376ffcdb36cf221217176847.png



 How it works:

 MT router running HotSpot with Free Trial enabled

 Wireless Orbit handling paid access and CC transaction

 Free Hosted OpenX Ad server account delivering ads



 Delivered 233,625 ad views over 30 days. 
 http://www.aircloud.com/services/free-wifi/wifi-advertising



 The next piece is to implement ad-injection while browsing. Waiting on 
 SilverLining for that.



 I'll be putting together a how-to over the next week or two.








 
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Re: [WISPA] Working! WiFi AAA with free ad supported and paid access on one device

2011-02-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That is what I thought and was looking to clarify  Wireless Orbit
handling paid access and CC transaction

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 WO does Paypal, it is not a processor itself.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
 wrote:

 So wireless orbit will handle the CC side, or do you still need your
 own cc processor?


 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Jerry Richardson
 jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 
  After many late nights and tweaking I got this working and it works
  great. Been running for about 45 days.
 
 
 
  These are a few of the pages the users see:
 
  Login: http://gyazo.com/ac60d8a2928288ceb894dc2220892d98.png
 
  Free: http://gyazo.com/9e12831a7c019ed1d751bb5fc9be51bb.png
 
  Paid: http://gyazo.com/607ca06f376ffcdb36cf221217176847.png
 
 
 
  How it works:
 
  MT router running HotSpot with Free Trial enabled
 
  Wireless Orbit handling paid access and CC transaction
 
  Free Hosted OpenX Ad server account delivering ads
 
 
 
  Delivered 233,625 ad views over 30 days.
  http://www.aircloud.com/services/free-wifi/wifi-advertising
 
 
 
  The next piece is to implement ad-injection while browsing. Waiting on
  SilverLining for that.
 
 
 
  I'll be putting together a how-to over the next week or two.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
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Re: [WISPA] Working! WiFi AAA with free ad supported and paid access on one device

2011-02-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Ah. I want to avoid the whole CC deal this time but really does not
look to be possible. If people abuse it this time too, I will jsut
forgo CCs again I guess.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 We have a Authorize.net merchant account. WO ties into that.



 - Jerry



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 So wireless orbit will handle the CC side, or do you still need your
 own cc processor?


 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Jerry Richardson
 jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:

 After many late nights and tweaking I got this working and it works great.
 Been running for about 45 days.



 These are a few of the pages the users see:

 Login: http://gyazo.com/ac60d8a2928288ceb894dc2220892d98.png

 Free: http://gyazo.com/9e12831a7c019ed1d751bb5fc9be51bb.png

 Paid: http://gyazo.com/607ca06f376ffcdb36cf221217176847.png



 How it works:

 MT router running HotSpot with Free Trial enabled

 Wireless Orbit handling paid access and CC transaction

 Free Hosted OpenX Ad server account delivering ads



 Delivered 233,625 ad views over 30 days.
 http://www.aircloud.com/services/free-wifi/wifi-advertising



 The next piece is to implement ad-injection while browsing. Waiting on
 SilverLining for that.



 I'll be putting together a how-to over the next week or two.









 
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Re: [WISPA] users...

2011-02-19 Thread Jeromie Reeves
How much bandwidth is that exactly? I have found that if I have it,
they will use it.

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 a fun little note...

 three weeks ago, I doubled my networks available bandwidth...

 tonight, at 10:05PM EDT, those $#%@ users managed to saturate it again!


 Grrr


 
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-11 Thread Jeromie Reeves
We need to have the USF turned into a voucher credit system that the
end user can apply to what ever supplier they chose. Maybe its not
the best idea, but I do not feel I have heard of a better one. Better
for /the users/ not better for the I/CLECs and other
very vested interests.


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 At 2/11/2011 01:06 AM, JohnS wrote:
  The FCC is looking for comments, so we all need to make
  it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and all
  broadband providers!
 
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213
 
  Bret
 


We should comment. The comment should be that we do not support any
form of broadband subsidies and that USF should be eliminated. It is a
New Internet Tax. We should all call it that and get people riled up
about it.

 The FCC can't eliminate USF entirely.  It is statutory:  The Telecom
 Act of 1996 established USF and called for it to keep rural telephone
 rates comparable to urban rates.  Because rural states get two
 senators just like big states, they have undue influence on subsidy
 legislation.  Ted Stevens of Alaska was a leader here; he later
 wanted the FCC to outlaw VoIP, since it threatened the costly toll
 minutes that paid into USF.

 The new proposal makes matters worse, though, since it keeps existing
 USF intact and adds yet another fund to allow one provider per place
 to provide subsidized Internet access.  I expect that it will usually
 be the ILEC, getting more money to compete with WISPs.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-08 Thread Jeromie Reeves
inline

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:
 USF for broadband is scary...

 The big problems...

 1) There will be a push to use funds for fiber networks, (since so many are
 pushing for higher speeds for consumers, and with USF mentality its not a
 competition to spend cost effectively.).

 2) There will be a push to give money to pre-existing USF recipients.
 (Government doesn't want to compete with itself. And easier to work with
 companies already proven to have experience in USF)

 3) WISPs may not qualify if they dont reclass themselves as a LEC or Common
 Carrier.

 4) Even though many WISPs consider themselves rural, most WISP's subscriber
 are still in areas that would be payees into the fund, not recipients of the
 fund. So most WISPs could get hit with a 6% USF fee, taking away a strategic
 selling advantage over LECs.

 5) USF creates small monopolies, kills fair competition, and kills
 start-ups.  (I believe USF can only go to one entity in an area, I think)

 6) One risk is that federal policy will tend to favor those that invest in
 fiber, and disadvantage those that use old technology to encourage
 investment in new technology.
    I could see them, exempting FIOS from paying into the fund, because it
 is broadband not regulated telecom, but RBOCs being recipients.

 7) double edge sword Narrowing qualification for USF area, will prevent
 fewer LEC competitiors to WISP pre-existing operations and expansion
 markets.
 However having narrower qualification could prevent more WISPs from being
 eligible.

 Many believe USF should be killed. But others believe that even though it
 should be killed, if one votes for killing it, they will just be throwing
 away their vote, becaues there will likely be some level of USF reform, and
 WISPs would be better off influencing the rules, than fighting for something
 that wont occur.

This is exactly how I feel.


 My opinion... We should be suggesting to FCC alternatives

 1) Allow any and all to qualify for funds that step up to deploy, at the
 same subsidee rate within an area. Meaning qualification is areas not
 entities.
    (Many will argue that subsidized areas cant sustain competition, and
 better chance of success with less duplication). Sure, no two subsidees to
 the same house, but first one to the house gets to claim the subsidee for
 it. Make it a race where all get paid for their progress and diversity.

A per house subsidized payment is a great idea on the surface. This
should be explored for icebergs.

If the USF was turned into a XX/per house installed that qualifies.
How would wisps handle the case
where someone moves out (transfer the equipment? leave it?) and then
someone else moves in and
wants service? If the service stayed at the house, then no new fund
for the install. If the service moved
with the user, then how does one subsidize the new person?



 2) Make sure ALL competitively advantaged companies pay into the fund. WISPs

What would define a 'competitively advantaged company' ? Do you mean
companies that want
to pull funds from the USF ? Or companies that offer broadband?

 should not have to pay into the funds for two reasons... 1) THeir upstream
 already pays, and WISP is just an extension of the upstream. Fixed Wireless
 is a disadvantaged technology for advanced broadband, and targets
 underserved users in all areas of America. It would be counter productive to
 start taxing WISPs with USF funds. Thus WISPs should be exempt.  Broadband
 provider below a certain size should be exempt from USF contribution.

Calling wireless disadvantaged could be a double edged sword when
asking for more RF.

Us: We need more RF
FCC: Why? You can not use it effectively or advantageously.
Us: Give us it and we will
FCC: 


 3) Pre-existing recipients should NOT have preferencial treatment.
 Actually, maybe the Dept of Justice should be asked to step in (responsible
 for anti-trust and such) to prevent the unfair competitive advantage that
 pre-existing USF recipients would have to gain USF Broadband subsidees.

The DoJ should be looking at all the RUS crap very closely. I wish
that corps that are found guilty
of fraud with USF/RUS/etc gov money, would be instantly frozen, broken
and sold. Or maybe I just
need some counseling for anger at pork barreling.



 4) Suggest replace the USF with customer Voucher system, (explained well by
 MAtt LArson not to long ago).  Where recipient choses their provider, and
 can apply their voucher.

I think I missed this. Was it on list?

    With Voucher system it takes away the false positive, because all can
 qualify regardless of if a provider is already in an area. It levels the
 playing field.

So this works by the client handing the provider a credit slip. How
does the provider redeem them? Tax credits
or cash? For me, I would do free installs for a one time $200 cash
credit. (plus my MRC for the end user is the
lowest in the county)


 5) argue 

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Charles N Wyble
char...@knownelement.com wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
 Comments inline.

 jack


 On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

 Some serious enforcement is in order.  Major fines for repeated
 offense...  $100K or more for 2nd offense...

Serious fines and maybe total revocation of $Individual/$corp to
transmit RF at all.
I am all for the steel boot after the first warning. Sometimes
slipups happen.
Repeated slipups is clear intent.


 Last month we recommended to the FCC OET that they publicize actions against
 offenders who they locate. This would help get the message out that this is a
 serious problem and that enforcement is in fact taking place.

That would be nice to see for many reasons.


 Is that covered at http://fcc.gov/eb/Orders/Welcome.html or
 http://fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/ ?

 I'd rather see the TDWR band notched out than any kind of required GPS
 and database...

Why? I think we operators need to work out a policing deal with the
FCC. If there was a easy way for the FAA/FCC
to let us know that interference is happening at site ABC. Maybe a
simple email list that we sign up to. This would
be more akin to hams self policing. I do /not/ want to lose the band.
Maybe we need a database that we can report
links that we see and their locations/suspected locations. I know I
have seen many illegal links and reports to the
FCC fall on deaf ears so long ago I stopped trying to report it.

 Notching may be the ultimate outcome for all new equipment. The disadvantage 
 is
 that notching deprives everyone from using the spectrum, even the 90% of
 operators who are nowhere near a TDWR system.

Maybe the FCC needs to 'notch' the TDWR areas, like the 3.650
exclusion zones. I would hate for such large areas
to lose access but /I/ do not want to lose access because others are
being /%$#@/


 Very true.

 What is going on with the 3.65 stuff?  I still think we need some kind
 of license enforcement there...

 Why?

 WISPA recently had it's first 3650 Steering Committee meeting and it was 
 agreed
 that major work (education, best practices, possible rules changes, etc.) is
 needed because the interference situation is getting way out of hand.

 Hmmm. Interesting. That's news to me. Where does one see info about the
 violations? Is it happening on private lists or something? I don't
 recall any complaints on the WISPA general list about it.

  There are
 also more and more illegal (unlicensed) bootleggers using the band. One
 solution (among many) is to use a regional email list to coordinate between
 different operators. This is in use now in Phoenix.

 H. Well illegal/unlicensed use is a clear enforcement action and
 should be referred to the FCC EB. Coordination among entities... as I
 recall that was very vague in the RO.

Is the FCC feeling pressure to do the enforcement side of its job and
not wanting to, or is it unable, or ?
I am all for helping them clean things up. How can we as wisps do this
and how can wispa help us and
the FCC?

A) WISPS need a open place to report things we see
B) The FCC needs a place to report to us when it see's/receives a
report of interference.

Thoughts?



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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 Inline reply's

 On 2/8/2011 11:31 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Charles N Wyble
 char...@knownelement.com wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack Unger wrote:

 Comments inline.

 jack


 On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

 Some serious enforcement is in order.  Major fines for repeated
 offense...  $100K or more for 2nd offense...

 Serious fines and maybe total revocation of $Individual/$corp to
 transmit RF at all.
 I am all for the steel boot after the first warning. Sometimes
 slipups happen.
 Repeated slipups is clear intent.

 I agree with this totally.

 Last month we recommended to the FCC OET that they publicize actions against
 offenders who they locate. This would help get the message out that this is
 a
 serious problem and that enforcement is in fact taking place.

 That would be nice to see for many reasons.

 Is that covered at http://fcc.gov/eb/Orders/Welcome.html or
 http://fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/ ?

 I'd rather see the TDWR band notched out than any kind of required GPS
 and database...

 Why? I think we operators need to work out a policing deal with the
 FCC. If there was a easy way for the FAA/FCC
 to let us know that interference is happening at site ABC. Maybe a
 simple email list that we sign up to. This would
 be more akin to hams self policing. I do /not/ want to lose the band.
 Maybe we need a database that we can report
 links that we see and their locations/suspected locations. I know I
 have seen many illegal links and reports to the
 FCC fall on deaf ears so long ago I stopped trying to report it.

 Why?  Because it will likely raise the cost of the equipment quite a bit to
 include the GPS hardware and the database access system...

I am hoping for a system that forestalls the GPS needs. Namely,
Disallow use in any radar areas if people
can not pull their heads out of .. what ever dark places it is at. Or,
at the very least a place WISPs can
report what we see, and a place that the FCC can report what they see.

If the band is totally not allowed, then the added cost of GPS would
not matter would it?


 Notching may be the ultimate outcome for all new equipment. The disadvantage
 is
 that notching deprives everyone from using the spectrum, even the 90% of
 operators who are nowhere near a TDWR system.

 Maybe the FCC needs to 'notch' the TDWR areas, like the 3.650
 exclusion zones. I would hate for such large areas
 to lose access but /I/ do not want to lose access because others are
 being /%$#@/

 I could go for a 'licensed lite' system for the 5.4 band... but, if there is
 no better enforcement on 5.4 than there is on 3.65, what is the point?

 Very true.

 What is going on with the 3.65 stuff?  I still think we need some kind
 of license enforcement there...

 Why?

 WISPA recently had it's first 3650 Steering Committee meeting and it was
 agreed
 that major work (education, best practices, possible rules changes, etc.) is
 needed because the interference situation is getting way out of hand.

 Hmmm. Interesting. That's news to me. Where does one see info about the
 violations? Is it happening on private lists or something? I don't
 recall any complaints on the WISPA general list about it.

  There are

 also more and more illegal (unlicensed) bootleggers using the band. One
 solution (among many) is to use a regional email list to coordinate between
 different operators. This is in use now in Phoenix.

 H. Well illegal/unlicensed use is a clear enforcement action and
 should be referred to the FCC EB. Coordination among entities... as I
 recall that was very vague in the RO.

 Is the FCC feeling pressure to do the enforcement side of its job and
 not wanting to, or is it unable, or ?
 I am all for helping them clean things up. How can we as wisps do this
 and how can wispa help us and
 the FCC?

 A) WISPS need a open place to report things we see
 B) The FCC needs a place to report to us when it see's/receives a
 report of interference.

 Thoughts?

 I mentioned this a month or two back...

 In an area with NO other registered 3.65 locations, I have already found
 3.65 gear in use.

That is not good. We need a way to shut them down. How many man hours
does it take to do this? I wonder if there
is a boiler plate cease and desist that could be worked up. If a
(qualified, certified, licensed, approved, etc) wisp could
report information to the FCC, and then have a letter delivered to the
/site owner/ about /hardware X is generating
interference Y/ and hold the site owner to the coals, would that be a
acceptable solution?


 Especially, UBNT NSM365 gear used as PtP to link up house to barn and so
 on...

 I have proposed that equipment sellers be required to check for an FCC
 license before selling 3.65 gear.

That should be required. It should be trivial to email a supplier the
link to your license.


 I also KNOW

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-08 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That would be great. What options do you see? DFS2 looks to have not
got the job done. No one knows how the GPS+DB stuff will really look,
or the costs it will add. The simplest way to do GPS would be to make
a serial receive port. The DB part would be a pretty simple script.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:
 I do not see why we must suggest or FCC mandate a static one shoe fits all
 approach.

 The fact is, there are multiple ways to address the problem, each of which
 could be equally effective. As long as any one of those several options are
 chosen by an operator or manuacturer, problem solved. Why not support and
 enable choice?


 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 12:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes
 needed


 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 Inline reply's

 On 2/8/2011 11:31 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Charles N Wyble
 char...@knownelement.com wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack Unger wrote:

 Comments inline.

 jack


 On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

 Some serious enforcement is in order. Major fines for repeated
 offense... $100K or more for 2nd offense...

 Serious fines and maybe total revocation of $Individual/$corp to
 transmit RF at all.
 I am all for the steel boot after the first warning. Sometimes
 slipups happen.
 Repeated slipups is clear intent.

 I agree with this totally.

 Last month we recommended to the FCC OET that they publicize actions
 against
 offenders who they locate. This would help get the message out that this
 is
 a
 serious problem and that enforcement is in fact taking place.

 That would be nice to see for many reasons.

 Is that covered at http://fcc.gov/eb/Orders/Welcome.html or
 http://fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/ ?

 I'd rather see the TDWR band notched out than any kind of required GPS
 and database...

 Why? I think we operators need to work out a policing deal with the
 FCC. If there was a easy way for the FAA/FCC
 to let us know that interference is happening at site ABC. Maybe a
 simple email list that we sign up to. This would
 be more akin to hams self policing. I do /not/ want to lose the band.
 Maybe we need a database that we can report
 links that we see and their locations/suspected locations. I know I
 have seen many illegal links and reports to the
 FCC fall on deaf ears so long ago I stopped trying to report it.

 Why? Because it will likely raise the cost of the equipment quite a bit to
 include the GPS hardware and the database access system...

 I am hoping for a system that forestalls the GPS needs. Namely,
 Disallow use in any radar areas if people
 can not pull their heads out of .. what ever dark places it is at. Or,
 at the very least a place WISPs can
 report what we see, and a place that the FCC can report what they see.

 If the band is totally not allowed, then the added cost of GPS would
 not matter would it?


 Notching may be the ultimate outcome for all new equipment. The
 disadvantage
 is
 that notching deprives everyone from using the spectrum, even the 90% of
 operators who are nowhere near a TDWR system.

 Maybe the FCC needs to 'notch' the TDWR areas, like the 3.650
 exclusion zones. I would hate for such large areas
 to lose access but /I/ do not want to lose access because others are
 being /%$#@/

 I could go for a 'licensed lite' system for the 5.4 band... but, if there
 is
 no better enforcement on 5.4 than there is on 3.65, what is the point?

 Very true.

 What is going on with the 3.65 stuff? I still think we need some kind
 of license enforcement there...

 Why?

 WISPA recently had it's first 3650 Steering Committee meeting and it was
 agreed
 that major work (education, best practices, possible rules changes, etc.)
 is
 needed because the interference situation is getting way out of hand.

 Hmmm. Interesting. That's news to me. Where does one see info about the
 violations? Is it happening on private lists or something? I don't
 recall any complaints on the WISPA general list about it.

 There are

 also more and more illegal (unlicensed) bootleggers using the band. One
 solution (among many) is to use a regional email list to coordinate
 between
 different operators. This is in use now in Phoenix.

 H. Well illegal/unlicensed use is a clear enforcement action and
 should be referred to the FCC EB. Coordination among entities... as I
 recall that was very vague in the RO.

 Is the FCC feeling pressure to do the enforcement side of its job and
 not wanting to, or is it unable, or ?
 I am all for helping them clean things up. How can we as wisps do this
 and how can wispa help us and
 the FCC?

 A) WISPS need

Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Jeromie Reeves
5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case
it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the
2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck).

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote:
 I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would
 anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the 5GHz
 range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times
 throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like
 a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The
 frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can
 go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the weekends
 or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of
 the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our
 hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other
 operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even
 contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but
 they say they are not doing anything.

 Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe!

 Bret

 Bret Clark
 Spectra Access
 25 Lowell Street
 Manchester, NH 03101
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-07 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I would rather see the fund /not/ be available. I can not afford to
compete against the money nor can I afford to take the money and keep
my business mine.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote:
 Ugh...not good. Last thing I need is to compete with the ILEC who is
 getting money from the Universal Slush Fund to provide government
 subsidized broadband in rural areas. And I can see every ILEC in America
 lobbing to ensure that the distribution of USF continues as is if the
 shift is made to broadband instead of telephone...basically filling the
 ILEC's coffers!  The FCC is looking for comments, so we all need to make
 it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and all
 broadband providers!

 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213

 Bret

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 25 Lowell Street
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Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.

2011-01-29 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Maybe the MVNO it self is contractually obligated to sell last years
phones, but we dealers can do what ever we want =)
I sell brand new phones of what ever make/model the client will pay
for. I even cross sell networks (U*CC phones in the V*W network, etc).
I agree the data plans are weak, but there are companies out there
that sell decent plans. Ive got one that sells 'unlimited' (50GB soft
limit) but its on the Sp***t network and they do not have local
coverage here or I would go back to using them with a voip client and
no voice. There is a GSM provider that should have coverage here once
A*T builds their new tower.
They claim unlimited and afaik no one has found a limit as yet. I
would love to become part of a group who had access to better plans,
mostly data. At 4c/min or $45/mo unlimited voice, I have not found
anyone who beats P+.

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:05 AM, David Weddell da...@omnicity.net wrote:
 Lightyear is not a MVNO even though the market themselves that way. The MVNO
 is associated with the NRTC and you have to become a member of NRTC to even
 get involved. The deal is not that great and you don’t have access to the
 latest phones. You can only sell last year’s models and the data rate plans
 are weak. My 2 cents.



 Dave W



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
 Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:51 AM
 To: WISPA General List

 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.



 I know of a company local to me that is a MVNO, it is Lightyear.
  www.lightyear.net

 They are either a MVNO for Sprint or Verizon.

 Regards,

 Chuck

 On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
 wrote:

 Thanks Chuck, I had to Google that one. Has anyone ever done this? What is
 required to become a MVNO? Is there a difference in just offering data? Do
 you have to be a CLEC? Ah, so many questions...



 I could get some customers with this. I have turned prospective customers to
 these companies before that I could not service and they could not get DSL.



 Scottie

 - Original Message -

 From: Chuck Hogg

 To: WISPA General List

 Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:03 AM

 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.



 MVNO relationships or talk to an MVNO.
 Regards,

 Chuck

 On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote:

  I found out the company that resells Verizon access from my post last night
 repeated below. It is http://www.millenicom.com/ .



 I have in close proximity to my area a http://www.broadband wireless.com/
 and another provider I have forgot the name of...They both provide wireless
 data internet through cell phone data plans on 3G and 4G. They both
 advertise it as unlimited, but if you read into it, it is not unlimited.



 My question is, how or how can us WISP get access to sell a 3G or 4G plan
 on Sprint or Verizon as these plan's have been sold to other companies? I
 will get the Verizon company with unlimited access as soon as I can return
 back to the office.


 
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Re: [WISPA] Platypus Pricing Change / Free version

2011-01-29 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Are you using this? Whats the price for 101 to 249 users? For a
monthly bill, are they billing your customers directly? How, or do,
they support hotspots and random users? Do they host the user database
or do you? Is it plain radius or something else?

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

 For those who may find this info useful.

 http://www.ispbilling.com/products/pricing.php

 Regards.

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Re: [WISPA] Platypus Pricing Change / Free version

2011-01-29 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:
 We are using this, yes.

 Price for software  as per url enclosed.

There is a gap between 100 and 250. I read it to say 249 or less is
free. Other can read it to mean 101 and up is $99.

 You would run the software on your machine(s).. just pay for software on
 monthly basis

That is why I asked about why it does/they do.

 It uses MSSql for it's database,

Never mind, not even a option for me then. I have no Microsoft servers
at all. Till a few weeks ago I did not even
have a pc with Windows as the primary OS. As it is I only have Win7
for gaming. I have my 10 year old XP in a
virtual machine for the few times I need IE.

and can be integrated with external
 thirdparty radius servers.

That is good as I keep everything in radius. I do need to upgrade to
something a little more 'all in one' but looks like I will roll it
myself.
 (radius is not included with the software).

 For HotSpot Support you would have to ask others who are doing something
 similar. We are using this for regular subscribers.

My entire network is a hotspot. Daily to Monthly plans.


 Regards.

Thank you for your answers.


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


 On 1/29/2011 5:58 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Are you using this? Whats the price for 101 to 249 users? For a
 monthly bill, are they billing your customers directly? How, or do,
 they support hotspots and random users? Do they host the user database
 or do you? Is it plain radius or something else?

 On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net  wrote:
 For those who may find this info useful.

 http://www.ispbilling.com/products/pricing.php

 Regards.

 --
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 Snappy Internet    Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net




 
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Re: [WISPA] Platypus Pricing Change / Free version

2011-01-29 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Ah 'upto' must be assumed, or asked, since its not explicit.  As said
using it for a hotspot is not the best idea, nor can I see using it
since it does not (look) to have a flexible back end, and for the
monthly fee, I would expect more. Ive found many hotspot managers that
do everything i see this do (im sure i am missing) for less.

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 Up to 100 Free.
 Up to 250 $99
 Regards,

 Chuck


 On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
 wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 wrote:
  We are using this, yes.
 
  Price for software  as per url enclosed.

 There is a gap between 100 and 250. I read it to say 249 or less is
 free. Other can read it to mean 101 and up is $99.

  You would run the software on your machine(s).. just pay for software on
  monthly basis

 That is why I asked about why it does/they do.

  It uses MSSql for it's database,

 Never mind, not even a option for me then. I have no Microsoft servers
 at all. Till a few weeks ago I did not even
 have a pc with Windows as the primary OS. As it is I only have Win7
 for gaming. I have my 10 year old XP in a
 virtual machine for the few times I need IE.

 and can be integrated with external
  thirdparty radius servers.

 That is good as I keep everything in radius. I do need to upgrade to
 something a little more 'all in one' but looks like I will roll it
 myself.
  (radius is not included with the software).
 
  For HotSpot Support you would have to ask others who are doing something
  similar. We are using this for regular subscribers.

 My entire network is a hotspot. Daily to Monthly plans.

 
  Regards.

 Thank you for your answers.

 
  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet  Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, Fl 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
  Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
 
 
  On 1/29/2011 5:58 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
  Are you using this? Whats the price for 101 to 249 users? For a
  monthly bill, are they billing your customers directly? How, or do,
  they support hotspots and random users? Do they host the user database
  or do you? Is it plain radius or something else?
 
  On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net
   wrote:
  For those who may find this info useful.
 
  http://www.ispbilling.com/products/pricing.php
 
  Regards.
 
  --
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  Snappy Internet    Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, Fl 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
  Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
 
 
 
 
 
  
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Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn

2011-01-26 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having
the ip/user information (but really, isps should have at least that)
and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a
conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some
politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband
li...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 Yep, I hear you Stuart.

 So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid …

 Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

 www.ShowMeBroadband.com

 www.StLouisBroadband.com

 www.FarmingtonForum.com

 314-974-5600

 -Original Message-
 From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM
 To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild
 porn

 Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players
 there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just
 one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of
 the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are
 disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ).

 -- Original Message --

 From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com

 Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 Date:  Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600

Same thing here from CNET:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html



Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years!  All browsing data

and email.



Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds .



The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if

WISPs will exist in the next few years.





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-Original Message-

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM

To: WISPA General List

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat
 child

porn



Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that

way was designed for tacking IP space to people.



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 The following information is offered for your personal use only. It

contains no

 added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any

machinery

 that also processes eggs or nuts.









*



 House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would

force

 companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat

child

 pornography.



 Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should

be

 forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to

help

 combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill

requiring

 they do so for two years...



 LINK:



http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies-

must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn











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Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn

2011-01-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that
way was designed for tacking IP space to people.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
 The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains 
 no
 added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any 
 machinery
 that also processes eggs or nuts.

 *

 House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force
 companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child
 pornography.

 Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be
 forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help
 combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring
 they do so for two years...

 LINK:
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Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops

2011-01-20 Thread Jeromie Reeves
unii low 5.15-5.25 GHz. 50mw, integrated antenna and indoor use only
unii mid 5.25-5.35 ghz. 250mw, DFS required, 'Professional installer'

take the FCC ID for the cards and go look at the FCC database. They
only have certs for existing legacy installs. all new installs must
pass the new rules.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 Can you direct me to the CM9 and xr5 certification for the 5.2 band?



 I would really like to be able to use this band for a few sites where subs
 are 2-3 miles max





 - Jerry



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Blair Davis
 Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:02 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops



 The cm9 and xr5 cards are certified for use in the 5.2GHz band
 (5.18-5.32GHz) and in the 5.8GHz band (5.745-5.825GHz).

 I don't use anything in the 5.4GHz band because that requires DFS

 I really don't want to rehash the modular certification argument again.

 On 1/20/2011 4:55 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

 FCC certified?



 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Blair Davis
 Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:48 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops



 Use 5.2GHz, mikrotik with cm9 or xr5 cards.  I do a PtP link 3200ft on
 5.3GHz.  Carries 50Mbit on a 40MHz channel with ease...

 On 1/20/2011 4:39 PM, Matt wrote:

 Looking for some gear to do 4 short hops under a mile and not interfer

 with existing 2.4 or 5.7 gear.  Was thinking of the 5.2 or 5.4 band

 gear.  Whats out there that wont break the bank and is FCC compliant

 in that band?  Leaning towards canopy but would like more bandwidth

 and a lower price.





 

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Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix

2011-01-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have
designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not
handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that
ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can
say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how.
At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality
bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much
more out here, for the gamers and surfing.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote:
 has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster

 say something like

 if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95

 but then partner with the local blockbuster

 then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster

 $5 would go to blockbuster

 a extra $5 would go to the WISP

 blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix

 seems like a win win

 Please give your input

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Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix

2011-01-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Bingo. Im keeping my cells small so I can keep the link rates high. I
am working on getting fiber (or at least copper) between most relays.
In a few places I am still looking at what it would take to be a cable
provider but i really dislike all the regulation that comes with that.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Fiber and UBNT.  Problem solved.

 -
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 http://www.ics-il.com


 On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

 Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting
 NetFlix?



 - Jerry



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
 Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix



 I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have
 designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not
 handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that
 ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can
 say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how.
 At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality
 bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much
 more out here, for the gamers and surfing.

 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote:
 has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster

 say something like

 if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95

 but then partner with the local blockbuster

 then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster

 $5 would go to blockbuster

 a extra $5 would go to the WISP

 blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix

 seems like a win win

 Please give your input

 Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix

2011-01-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
And I am banking (latterly) that the GPS sync will help double my
capacity. It should, but we will see.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 Interesting.



 I don’t see the backhaul being the problem, fiber or high cap BH's will do
 the job. The issue really lies in the last hop to the sub. The idea of small
 cells is a good one and with UBNT's pricing it's doable.



 - Jerry



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
 Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix



 Bingo. Im keeping my cells small so I can keep the link rates high. I
 am working on getting fiber (or at least copper) between most relays.
 In a few places I am still looking at what it would take to be a cable
 provider but i really dislike all the regulation that comes with that.

 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 wrote:
 Fiber and UBNT.  Problem solved.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

 Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting
 NetFlix?



 - Jerry



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
 Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix



 I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have
 designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not
 handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that
 ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can
 say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how.
 At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality
 bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much
 more out here, for the gamers and surfing.

 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote:
 has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster

 say something like

 if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95

 but then partner with the local blockbuster

 then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster

 $5 would go to blockbuster

 a extra $5 would go to the WISP

 blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix

 seems like a win win

 Please give your input

 Thanks

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 supp...@nitline.com

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Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix

2011-01-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
The video will happen no matter what. Some of my areas I can do bit
billing, some I can not (yet) and might not ever be able to (dsl at
acceptable speeds). Packaging netflix  (or any other in demand video
product) will let me raise the price of that product. This would give
me a foot for some other projects I am working on where I need a video
product. If there were a cable co I could partner with that could
allow me to stream just the OTA channels + 1 or 2 paid cable channels,
I would be all over them. (Assuming it did not need a $50K up front
fee, $400 STBs, etc). Netflix is on pretty much everything, 360s,
PS3s, and now most new TV's even have it built in.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:
 Without strict NetNeutrality laws,  WISPs would have the flexibilty and
 leverage to make those kind of deals, for mutual benefit of both parties.

 However, not sure its cost effective to encourage increased Video usage for
 just $5 per month.

 I remember a tradeshow Session with CWLAbs on VOIP like 6 years ago or so,
 where one of the messages was sure VOIP could be done over wireless 802.11b
 reliably, but the trade off was that to keep latency where it needed to be,
 a WISP would only being able to serve 5x less customers per sector. So...
 sell broadband with 50cust per sector, or 10 custoemrs per sector with VOIP.
 Sure sectors were 3mb back then and not 30mb, but the point still applies. A
 40k stream compared to 1.5mb video stream.

 If a WISP had a market with only 30 homes within range of a sector, and the
 sectors were LOS with 30mbps +, sure maybe encouraging video Might be OK.
 But I'd argue that most markets are larger than that, and most markets dont
 have all LOS customers. At the end of the day, ability to scale is reduced.
 Trading $5 block buster revenue for a loss of several a $40/mon sub, when
 doing the math on capacity usage.

 The only way I'd justify a BlockBuster type partner ship would be if it was
 charging pr mb of transfer, where maybe each video rental was $5, and each
 party got $2.50 per movie rental. Over the month, the revenue would then be
 more attractive.

 But then, why even bother to partner? Why not do the math to deterine how
 much bandwdith a single movie download takes, and then jsut automatically
 charge your customer that fee, and sell plans with per mb billing.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: support supp...@nitline.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:01 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix


 has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster

 say something like

 if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95

 but then partner with the local blockbuster

 then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster

 $5 would go to blockbuster

 a extra $5 would go to the WISP

 blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix

 seems like a win win

 Please give your input

 Thanks

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 supp...@nitline.com

 NITLine Support

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

2011-01-16 Thread Jeromie Reeves
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1999-09-10/

I think I missed Friday.

While I agree v6 is a crap pile, it also is going to be implemented
and far sooner then some people think. Not that my source is all
authoritative
on the subject, it was a conversation with a cellular tech support.
His claim is that $employer will be moving to a v6 network asap. They
already run deep NAT on everything have hundreds of complaints about
broken VPNs daily (the same subject of my call). The crazy part of
their network is that it was not even consistent NAting. One tower
hands out 192.168.0.0/16's that then NAT to a 10.x then the public
proxy, while down the road you skip the 192 and get a 10.x directly.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote:
 On 01/16/2011 01:07 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 1/15/2011 11:56 PM, ButchE wrote:
 On 01/13/2011 09:19 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
  Personal opinion: IPv6 is worth less than the paper its RFC is
  printed on. Ignore it and it will go away.  Really.

 Perhaps personal opinion, but bad advice.

 Obviously we have different opinions.

 Opinion isn't the key to this.  It is FACT that IPv6 is here and WILL
 need to be implemented.  There is, in the very near future, going to be
 some content that WILL be reachable via IPv6 only.  It may not be this
 year or next, but ignore it and it will go away is bad advice.  It
 isn't a matter of opinion.  THAT was my point.


 You make my point.  IPv6 is needless complexity that doesn't solve the
 real problems while focusing on a non-problem that it doesn't solve
 anyway.

 The point is that WHEN content is reachable only via IPv6, whether via
 some transition mechanism or native implementation, customers WILL want
 it.  Complexity isn't the problem.  Your statement to let the customers
 worry with it is what I was addressing.  Which non-problem are you
 referring to?  Lack of currently allocatable space?  The fact that there
 is still lots of unused (yet allocated) space really is an issue,
 whether you like it (or admit it) or not.  And if that IS the issue you
 are referring to, IPv6 DOES address and fix that issue.

 The only folks who would put up an IPv6-only site are a) Chinese (and
 we don't really care), or b) zealots who think they are on a mission
 from some diety to follow the advice of the IETF.  Anyone wanting to
 put up a site for the public will make it available on v4, and that is
 how the transition is planned to work.

 So the average Joe who calls up and asks about how to configure
 Windows Mail or what-have-you will have no need for v6.  They won't
 know the difference, and won't need to connect to zealot sites.

 So you are basing your opinions on the fact that since the content is
 unimportant to you, it is assumed to be unimportant to your customers?

 It reminds me of the beer commercial, in reverse:  Tastes worse, more
 filling. Yes, it works, but not as well as v4.  Billions of dollars
 of transition cost will result in negligible improvement.  Collossal
 waste, especially considering how they went out of their way to *not*
 fix things that were really broken.  In 1991, the public Internet
 didn't exist yet, so it was all a little club with little concern
 about massive cybercrime.  But it will result in a lot of new box
 sales for Cisco.

 Well, high horse aside, your advice to ignore it and it will go away
 seems to be nulled by this opinion that it will result in a lot of new
 box sales for Cisco.  Perhaps you don't really believe that it will go
 away?  If that is the case, why would you provide that as your advised
 approach?  As a consultant, it seems to me that our advice should be
 published with the best interest of our customers in mind and not our
 personal beefs, which yours seems to be on this subject.

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

2011-01-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I agree. v4 space IS running out. Cellular co's are looking to move to
a v6 space and drop the nat that most of them run. I already
run dual stack on my MT's. I am waiting for Ubnt to add v6 so I can
hand directly to end users as well. There are like 7 /8's left and
IIRC
China gobbled 2 in 2010 and is expected to take another in February or
March. AfriNIC is expected to take one as well, that will then trigger
the last 5 to be handed out. Then we are looking at the end of v4
space. ARIN will have its total allocations and once they hand out
what they have, there is no more to be hand unless someone gives up
space. Can I have your v4 IPs? v6 will be a must by the end of this
year, middle of 2012 at the latest. Hmm, maybe them Myans really did
know something, its 1999 all over again!!

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
 Direct answer to the queston is, you will not know when it is turned on.
 IPv6 is a new protocol that uses different header information in the
 packets.  If you don't turn on support on your devices, they will ignore
 the packets.

 I disagree with Fred's opinions.  Not everything is going to run v4
 until v6 is prevalent.  There will soon be content that is only
 available via v6.  We are going to need to be able to get our customers
 access to v6 sometime in the not too distant future.

 Since IPv6 has been standardized by the IETF, I don't think it is any
 longer a Cisco dream.  It is going to become a prevalent part of the
 internet.

 On 1/13/2011 10:19 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 1/13/2011 10:00 AM, GregI wrote:
 I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's,
 NSLM5's, NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to
 fair if/when our upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to
 hear someone else is already doing it.

 Our upstream apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South
 America. I'm not sure if their system/our modem is IPv6
 capable/ready. That may keep us on IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6
 for some time.
 Personal opinion:  IPv6 is worth less than the paper its RFC is
 printed on. Ignore it and it will go away.  Really.

 If one of your subscribers really needs to reach something only
 accessible via IPv6, they can tunnel out.  But since there is no
 compatibility, the transition plan requires dual stack.  So
 everything runs v4 until everybody is on v6.  But since there's
 always more on v4 (everybody) than on v6 (those who have added the
 dual stack), there's no incentive for users to move to v4.  The only
 benefit is to some ISPs, not to users.  So users have little reason
 to move.  (Sometimes users are smarter than some ISPs.)  Plus v6 is
 an abomination, a misdesign of immense proportions, so you shouldn't
 buy into Cisco's fantasies.

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

2011-01-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Sure Ubnt in bridge mode works fine. We still need native v6 support.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Charles N Wyble
char...@knownelement.com wrote:
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 On 01/13/2011 07:00 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
 I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's, NSLM5's, 
 NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to fair if/when our 
 upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to hear someone else is already 
 doing it.


 Interesting question. I'm hoping to provide ipv6 on my network very
 soon. Currently only handing out ipv4.

 I have my ubnt ns2 working as a hotspot on my roof. It bridges to my
 wired network (cisco l2 switch and pfsense box). On it's own VLAN of
 course.

 So do I care about ubnt supporting ipv6? Will it not work in bridge
 mode? I need to turn on v6 on the pfsense side, via an he.net tunnel
 with prefix delegation and find out.

 Anyone done this? On whatever l3 termination of choice
 (pfsense/cisco/linux/mikrotik).


 Our upstream apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South America. I'm 
 not sure if their system/our modem is IPv6 capable/ready. That may keep us 
 on IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6 for some time.

 Greg



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Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

2011-01-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Yes I have. All my AP's are AP-WDS and all clients are WDS with a
router behind it. v6 works fine.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Have you actually tested that?  I ask because I expect it to work, too, but
 haven't actually done it myself.

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 On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
 wrote:

 Sure Ubnt in bridge mode works fine. We still need native v6 support.

 On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Charles N Wyble
 char...@knownelement.com wrote:
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  On 01/13/2011 07:00 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
  I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's,
  NSLM5's, NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to fair
  if/when our upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to hear someone
  else is already doing it.
 
 
  Interesting question. I'm hoping to provide ipv6 on my network very
  soon. Currently only handing out ipv4.
 
  I have my ubnt ns2 working as a hotspot on my roof. It bridges to my
  wired network (cisco l2 switch and pfsense box). On it's own VLAN of
  course.
 
  So do I care about ubnt supporting ipv6? Will it not work in bridge
  mode? I need to turn on v6 on the pfsense side, via an he.net tunnel
  with prefix delegation and find out.
 
  Anyone done this? On whatever l3 termination of choice
  (pfsense/cisco/linux/mikrotik).
 
 
  Our upstream apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South America.
  I'm not sure if their system/our modem is IPv6 capable/ready. That may 
  keep
  us on IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6 for some time.
 
  Greg
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

2011-01-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Yea, all the core routers are MT 3.30 and up.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Any Mikrotik routers in the mix?

 Greg

 On Jan 13, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

 Yes I have. All my AP's are AP-WDS and all clients are WDS with a
 router behind it. v6 works fine.



 
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Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question

2011-01-10 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose
bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust
settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different
bandwidth profiles with Canopy.

I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you
only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y.

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:

 For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a
 tower site to see what it was all about.  All of our gear in the past did
 not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or
 reduce interference between local devices.

 In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between
 them.  Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I
 noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half.  Is this typical
 of all synced units?  I guess there would be no more reduction in speed
 after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all
 fire at the same time any way.  Did I loose bandwidth because they were in
 MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of
 the timing reduction to keep things clean?

 Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently
 experience when their new sync capable gear comes out?

 Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing
 devices affects their performance.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

2011-01-07 Thread Jeromie Reeves
No need, the world ends 2011 Dec 31 11:59:59


Is it Friday yet?

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Look forward to trying them out in 2012 when they get here.

 Sent from my iPhone4

 On Jan 7, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 wrote:

 SWEET!





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 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios



 I just had it confirmed that it is dual band concurrently.

 On 01/06/2011 08:53 PM, Robert West wrote:

 But will they be Dual Band concurrently or will they run only either or?







 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org 
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 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios



 The pro version will be.



 Word from UBNT is end of Q1



 - Jerry



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 What makes you think they are dual band radios?

 Scott Carullo
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 855-FLSPEED x102


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 Any sign these are at least on the boat?






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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

2011-01-05 Thread Jeromie Reeves
and a laptop

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
 Have you run Windows on a 433?  I have some software that has to have
 the radios in the Windows machine.

 On 1/4/2011 7:30 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 I use a laptop and a pair of radios, since windows can not see my APs.
 Would a RB433 and a laptop work for you?

 On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net  wrote:
 I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
 (vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI
 slot or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to permanently mount it in my truck to
 do site surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

2011-01-05 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I can do those things (Kismet + GPS) in a $40 router with OpenWRT on
it but anything running Windows is going to be used or not in that
price range.


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:20 AM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
 OK, after reading a bunch of responses, let's try again.

 I am looking for a low-cost, like sub $200 computer that will run off
 12VDC directly and will run Windows.  It needs a PCI slot or at least 3
 mPCI slots. I have a PCI to mPCI adapter so I can put radio cards in a
 machine with just PCI slots. I also need 1 USB port.

 I want to  some other that has to have the radios in a Windows machine.
 One of those is inSSIDer which along with a GPS receiver will plot
 signal strength to location as I drive down the road.

 On 1/4/2011 7:48 PM, Robert West wrote:
 What the heck you using a PCI slot for on a survey?  I thought I was the
 weird one!

 I use a simple piece of crap netbook that cost me zilch and plug the radios
 into the RJ45 jack.  I would think anything permanently mounted in a truck
 isn't going to show you the viability of an install 20 feet up on the roof.
 Unless, of course..  Never mind, secret.

 By the way, I think I killed a bunch more birds with my broadband mind
 control experiments.  These 12 bit Quad antennas are just a mess.  Need to
 adjust something, just don't know what yet.

 Moving on

 Jim-



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 Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:28 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
 (vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI slot
 or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to permanently mount it in my truck to do site
 surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

2011-01-05 Thread Jeromie Reeves
ultimate? No WEP/WPA cracking, no mitm ap spoofing, no cookie
sniffing, etc etc

What Scott seams to really want is a 20/40mhz survey rig with a graph.
That can be done from kismet drones ran on any supported hardware (RBs
are supported)

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Sounds like the ultimate war driving vehicle!  Cool on so many
 levels



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 Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:21 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 OK, after reading a bunch of responses, let's try again.

 I am looking for a low-cost, like sub $200 computer that will run off
 12VDC directly and will run Windows.  It needs a PCI slot or at least 3
 mPCI slots. I have a PCI to mPCI adapter so I can put radio cards in a
 machine with just PCI slots. I also need 1 USB port.

 I want to  some other that has to have the radios in a Windows machine.
 One of those is inSSIDer which along with a GPS receiver will plot
 signal strength to location as I drive down the road.

 On 1/4/2011 7:48 PM, Robert West wrote:
 What the heck you using a PCI slot for on a survey?  I thought I was the
 weird one!

 I use a simple piece of crap netbook that cost me zilch and plug the
 radios
 into the RJ45 jack.  I would think anything permanently mounted in a truck
 isn't going to show you the viability of an install 20 feet up on the
 roof.
 Unless, of course..  Never mind, secret.

 By the way, I think I killed a bunch more birds with my broadband mind
 control experiments.  These 12 bit Quad antennas are just a mess.  Need to
 adjust something, just don't know what yet.

 Moving on

 Jim-



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 Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:28 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
 (vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI
 slot
 or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to permanently mount it in my truck to do site
 surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?

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 Owner
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

2011-01-04 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I use a laptop and a pair of radios, since windows can not see my APs.
Would a RB433 and a laptop work for you?

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
 I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
 (vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI
 slot or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to permanently mount it in my truck to
 do site surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?

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Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin

2010-12-30 Thread Jeromie Reeves
What he said, Plus what I told you a few weeks ago. Decent pricing on
that 100mbit port, transport sucks but can use who can be found. Did
you find someone? Gimmie a call.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote:
 spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet)
 http://www.seattleix.net/ - get on this! :)
 http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm


 ryan

 On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin..  Anyone
 have names / etc?

 Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-29 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I NAT at the border just fine. It is 1:1 and not 100:1 however. I
provide the first public free, the next (for 2+ consoles) is extra. I
wish IPv6 was moving faster.

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Another reason why you don't NAT at the border.

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 On 12/28/2010 6:57 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

 Well now I don't think I can do that to the one customer since the NAT is at
 the border.  Then all the other customers would call because their game
 doesn't work.
 And that customer has a least 2 units.

 On 12/28/2010 7:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Then you will need to port forward 3074 to the xbox.  Obviously limited to 1
 that way.

 On Dec 28, 2010 7:16 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
 Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port
 combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on
 the inside.

 On 12/28/2010 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip
 seen by the world, would it hit the xbox?

 On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net
 mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
  Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in
  anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would
  customers not have open NAT?
 
  On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote:
  Not the best description, but
  http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043
 
  I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it
 either.
 
  On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
  I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of
 Microsoft's
  definition of restrict NAT, etc.
  I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Jeromie Reeves
The only way to make it Open is to 1:1 NAT or make it the default for
all packets on their NAT IP. I nat at the border and just assign
another IP and do subnet:1 NAt and then make the console the default.
Do you have more then 1 customer per NAT IP??

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
 Thank you, Blake.  That is the one.  After the memory refresh, I still
 have one question.  The router doing the NAT is a Mikrotik running
 3.30.  Is there a way to make it do Open NAT?

 On 12/28/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

 I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's
 definition of restrict NAT, etc.
 I can not find that link.  Would someone please remind me where to look.
 http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live

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Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
If I said 'they' did not own it, I am sorry, that is not what I
intended at all. What I DO intend is that $.Telco OWE the public. 100
years of bullshit
is not a correct payment of public debt. Forcing us into the position
we are in now, is not a correct payment. I think the only places we
really
disagree Mark, is in how, or even if, the current companies owe for
the public monies they have received.


On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 If you're trying to align it (analogy) with ILEC's, I agree, the monopoly
 should never have been created.

 However, if we just focus on the present, and ignore history - and history
 is ignored because it's mostly irrelevant - this is the situation and how it
 will be viewed.   Unlike Jeromie's characterization,  someone really DOES
 own it and it's not the taxpayer, it's a private entity.    How they got
 it, no longer matters to the entity, it's how it affects them in the present
 and future that matters.   Unbundling amounts to being required to maintain
 and innovate at your expense, for the benefit of your competitors.

 The business concept doesn't make sense, and it never will, ergo, it is not
 sustainable.




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 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:05 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

 To align it more closely with the telecom world, consider the
 following.  The city gave you an exclusive license to operate a grocery
 for 100 years, but you refused to accept credit cards, had manual doors,
 and rang up all prices by looking them up in a book.

 Since you were protected from new grocery stores, they forced you to
 allow a competitive store in your building, which accepted credit cards,
 had automatic doors, and had an electronic back end.

 Same thing other than the cost to lay new cables is almost
 insurmountable as opposed to just putting up another building.

 The key here is that you were protected from competition for 100 years.
 You shouldn't be allowed to build your empire under protection, then
 take advantage of said situation.  You should have never had that
 protection.

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 On 12/21/2010 4:30 PM, MDK wrote:
 Jeromie, my socialist (or was that anarchist, I can't ever remember)
 friend,
 how are ya?   I was thinking about making a run to a wrecking yard up
 that
 way and stopping by to see how things were going.

 Anyway, each time I read this solution it reminds me why it won't work.

 Let's say I move to Cove.   Buy the biggest building in town, and put in
 a
 grocery store.   Along come the grocery neutrality advocates and require
 that I set aside space in my store for all the people who want to compete
 in
 the grocery market.    If I knew that was going to happen, why would I be
 so
 brain dead stupid as to invest all my money in the first place?    And if
 it
 happened after the fact, why would I continue to maintain the building
 and
 keep it open, for the benefit of others?

 YOU see this as an opportunity to capitalize on monopoly created
 investment,
 and getting your share of it.

 I look at it and notice that the business model it creates is insanity,
 and
 no effort will EVER be taken to be market oriented and innovative.

 YOu're just trading one set of problems for a future set of intractables,
 with EVERYONE invested into a system that's broken beyond hope.

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 Right there you prove what many want. The last mile should not be held
 by someone with stakes in what drives OVER that road.
 Lets make the last mile open to all ISPs who want to build out to the
 CO. I would drop in VDSL in my town TODAY if I COULD
 get access to the CO but the FCC took that away from us.





 
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