Re: [WISPA] Service in Finger Lakes?

[Joe Buck]

Rob,

We have a network up and active in Geneva on the north end of Keuka Lake.
Please feel free to reach out to us anytime.



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From: joe@cbn.network [mailto:joe@cbn.network] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 6:31 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Service in Finger Lakes?

Rob,

We have a network up and active in Geneva on the north end of Keuka Lake.
Please feel free to reach out to us anytime



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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Guzzo
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service in Finger Lakes?

Rob,

FirstLight purchased the assets of FingerLake Technologies and had Fiber
Optic facilities in the area for Middle Mile.  Frontier was awarded funding
in the New NY Broadband Grant in that general area along with Hughes
(satellite). The closet WISP that I know of is Clarity Fiber Solutions in
Ithaca, NY or NYSYS in Rochester, NY. 

Jason Guzzo - General Manager
Hudson Valley Wireless
34 Russell Rd. | Albany, NY 12205
E-mail: jason.gu...@hvwisp.com
Web: http://www.hvwisp.com | http://www.hvcomm.com
Main: 518.458.7006    Direct: 518.379.9470  Direct Fax:
518.379.9469  
Connect with us:  

Scheduling Page:
https://hudsonvalley.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?calendarID=1118971
GoToMeeting: https://www.gotomeet.me/JasonGuzzo 

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf Of
Robert Doty
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 9:39 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Service in Finger Lakes?

Hello WISPA community,

Does anyone offer service in the Finger Lakes area of New York; specifically
the stretch between Keuka and Seneca lakes?

Thanks,
Rob

--
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[WISPA] SIC codes

[Joe Lenig]

Anyone know the SIC for a WISP?   I see "Internet Service - 7374021" and I
see Satellite Service has its own #, but nothing for WISP.

 

-Joe Lenig

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Last day to file CBRS Comments is today. Please file ifyou have not already done so.

[Joe Lenig]

I have to agree with you Jay Fuller – but I’m trying to keep my paranoia 
optimistic.  

 

I read Comcast’s comments…. Very interesting with good, compelling suggestions 
to keep it at the County level, 7 year licenses, bid credits for incumbents.  
And they showed several examples of where PEA licensing failed to encourage 
innovation and expansion. 

 

Comcast clearly has a vested interest in this outcome.  Is it to be a player? 
Or to make sure they are not overrun by the cell carriers using a clean and 
powerful frequency.  

 

Time will tell… 

 

Best regards,

Joe Lenig

Head of Impact

Virginia Broadband, LLC  “VABB”

540-727-2863 (direct)

 <mailto:joele...@vabb.com> joele...@vabb.com

 <http://www.vabb.com> www.vabb.com 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jan-OOLLC
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 4:01 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Last day to file CBRS Comments is today. Please file ifyou 
have not already done so.

 

An opinion from this peanut gallery is that o-jit-pie is not interested in 
serving the American public or the governments interests, he is only interested 
in serving himself with all the money he can garner from his large corporate 
donors.  Folks the mafia has taken over the government.  We can cry all we 
want, the tone-deaf aren't listening.

J

 

On 12/28/2017 08:27 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

 

I look forward to reading everyone's comments - especially after I stole some 
very useful paragraphs from a few of you. :)

 

- Original Message - 

From: Ken Garnett <mailto:kgarn...@cal.net>  

To: 'WISPA General List' <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  ; memb...@wispa.org 
<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>  ; 'Principal WISPA Member List' 
<mailto:w...@wispa.org>  

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 10:17 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Last day to file CBRS Comments is today. Please file ifyou 
have not already done so.

 

Done.

 

Proceeding:17-258

Confirmation #:201712293080913313

Submitted:Dec 28, 2017 8:07:52 PM

Status:RECEIVED

Name(s) of Filer(s)Cal.net, Inc.

 

 

- Ken Garnett
  Chief Technology Officer
  Cal.Net
  530-672-1078, x103

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 4:58 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org <mailto:memb...@wispa.org> ; Principal WISPA Member List 
<w...@wispa.org <mailto:w...@wispa.org> >; wireless@wispa.org 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: [WISPA] Last day to file CBRS Comments is today. Please file if you 
have not already done so.

 

WISPA Members,

We are in the middle of one of the most important fights in the history of our 
industry.  We need every member (operators, vendors, service providers) to 
submit comments to the FCC.  More background and an outline to help you cover 
all the bases are in Steve Coran’s email below.   

Please take 30 minutes today and put together a letter to the FCC on CBRS.  If 
you need assistance, or want help reviewing a draft, contact me, Mark 
Radabaugh, or Steve Coran off list and we’ll help you.  

We have also developed a website that will enable you to see the difference 
between census tracts (the current proposal for allocating PALs) and PEAS.  
Instructions for accessing that website are below.  

If you would prefer to have a KMZ file showing PEA's that you can use, you can 
download it here: 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5b1zf1mtm5b0v2/FCC_PEAs_website.kmz?dl=0

 

THIS IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT 

 

 

Citizens Broadband Radio Service

GN Docket No. 17-258

 

Suggestions for Filing Comments regarding Notice of Proposed Rulemaking

Deadline: Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 11:59 pm Eastern Time

 

Background

 

On October 24, 2017, the FCC released a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) 
that would fundamentally change the Citizens Broadband Radio Service (CBRS), 
which includes the 3550-3650 MHz band and the existing 3650-3700 MHz band.  
WISPA will be filing extensive Comments opposing many of the proposed rule 
changes, and we believe it is very important for individual members – WISPs, 
manufacturers, vendors, etc. – to also file Comments.

 

Summary of Current Rules That Will Be Changed If WISPs Do Not Comment

 

The FCC adopted rules in April 2015 to establish the CBRS band.  The band 
employs a three-tier spectrum access model.  Incumbent Access (earth stations 
and military) that must always be protected from interference; Priority Access, 
which will be auctioned by the FCC according to census tracts and must protect 
incumbents; and General Authorized Access (GAA), a “license by rule” service 
that must protect Incumbent and Priority Access use.  The FCC allocated up to 
70 megahertz for Priority Access Licenses (PALs) and the remaining 80 megahertz 
for GAA use.  The FCC also will allow GAA use opportunistically when and

[WISPA] WISP and Electric Co-op partnerships

[Joe Miller]

Are there are any known successful operations of joint ventures between. a
wireless operator and an electric co-op? if so, who are they? What made the
co-op successful?

 

Just doing some research.

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

www.facebook.com/dslbyair

228-831-8881

 

"We believe that everyone has a right to high speed Internet. It should not
matter where you work or live. We do this one customer at a time".

 

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Re: [WISPA] question of the day

[Joe Miller]

Mark,

 

AT and others like them are getting into the LTE space which does have an 
impact on our customer base. 

 

I guess my question should have been…. “What did it take you to establish a 
profitable Fixed Wireless system and how have you been able to compete with 
AT’s  of the world?”

 

Joe

 

From: Mark Radabaugh [mailto:m...@amplex.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 11:23 AM
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] question of the day

 

Kind of an open ended question - do you have any more specifics of what they 
are looking for?

 

I think you already know most of this - access to capital, spectrum, competent 
employees and management, vertical assets, and bandwidth, all at reasonable 
rates are the keys to a profitable fixed wireless service.   Everything after 
that is just standard business.   

 

You compete and win against AT by avoiding many of the fixed costs that AT 
has, and by doing things that generally don’t work well in large corporations - 
having local knowledge and decision making, ability to use non-standardized 
sites, localized marketing and sales.  You also use inexpensive spectrum that 
you do not have to pay billions of dollars for in upfront costs.  You can use 
unlicensed spectrum because you have local installers who are able to optimize 
the signal to customer locations, something that AT is not prepared or 
particularly interested in doing.

 

The challenge isn’t competing with AT for a small to midsize WISP.   The real 
challenge is competing with small to midsize WISP’s when you get to be the size 
of AT

 

Turn the question around on them.   How can a company the size of AT, with 
little interest in serving rural areas, compete with the people who live here 
and have a real interest in making this business succeed?   If AT makes a 
hash of it they still get a paycheck next Friday.   If you screw it up it’s a 
different story.

 

Mark

 

 

 

On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Joe Miller <joe.mil...@dslbyair.com> wrote:

 

I am trying to make forward progress in the state government in MS and this 
question was raised:

 

“What does it take to establish a profitable Fixed Wireless system and how this 
can compete with AT?”





I could use some input on the different ways you have done this.

 

Regards,

 

Joe Miller

 <http://www.dslbyair.com/> www.dslbyair.com

 <http://www.facebook.com/dslbyair> www.facebook.com/dslbyair

228-831-8881

 

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[WISPA] question of the day

[Joe Miller]

I am trying to make forward progress in the state government in MS and this
question was raised:

 

"What does it take to establish a profitable Fixed Wireless system and how
this can compete with AT?"

 


I could use some input on the different ways you have done this.

 

Regards,

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

www.facebook.com/dslbyair

228-831-8881

 

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matter where you work or live. We do this one customer at a time".

 

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[WISPA] Air-fiber to Hotels

[Joe Lenig]

Hello, 

 

Is anyone serving a hotel wirelessly?  Or by fiber?  Need some rough numbers
on bandwidth budgeting.  

 

Hit me off-list

Joe Lenig

540-727-2863

joele...@vabb.com

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[WISPA] Service in Charles Town WV??

[Joe Lenig]

We received a plea for service 

 

John Rissler Road

Charles Town WV 25414

 

If anyone serves the area, hit me off-list and I'll provide their contact
info.

 

joele...@vabb.com  

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] FCC tower lighting question

[Joe Lenig]

GEEZE... can a guy get a break?  

 

Joe Lenig

VABB

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Williamson
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 12:05 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] FCC tower lighting question

 

Can someone comment on whether this new ruling is going to pass or not:

 

New FAA Marking Requirements May Impact Rural Towers Under 200 Feet 

 

A recently passed law, the FAA Extension, Safety, and Security Act of 2016
(Act), will affect certain towers that are between fifty (50) and two
hundred (200) feet in height by requiring that many of these towers in rural
areas be marked and lit. The law, passed to protect agricultural aviators
(crop dusters), will make rural towers previously not subject to Federal
Aviation Administration (FAA) requirements more visible with painted
markings and other visibility attachments.  The Act also requires these
towers to be documented in an FAA database.  The FAA must issue regulations
by July 15, 2017. As compliance with these rules may prove costly to
wireless carriers, particularly where they are unnecessary, we are working
with the Competitive Carriers Association (CCA) to create an exemption for
communication towers.  Your feedback on specific towers in your service
areas is requested.

 

Summary of the FAA Extension, Safety, and Security Act

 

The term "covered tower" is defined in Section 2110(d) of the Act as a
structure that: is self-standing or supported by guy wires; is 10 feet or
less in diameter; is between 50 - 200 feet AGL; has accessory facilities on
which equipment is mounted; and is located outside an incorporated city or
town, or on undeveloped or agricultural land. The term does not include a
structure that is:  adjacent to a house, barn, electric utility station, or
other building; within the curtilage of a farmstead; a utility transmission
pole; a wind turbine with a rotor blade radius over 6 feet; or a street
lighted maintained by a Federal, State, local or tribal entity.

 

The Act requires that all covered towers constructed on or after the date on
which the regulations take effect must be marked in a manner consistent with
guidance under the FAA Advisory Circular issued on December 4, 2015 (AC
70/7460-1L) or other guidance as determined by the Administrator. Existing
covered towers, constructed before the regulations take effect, will have an
additional year to comply with the new regulations. 

 

AC 70/7460-IL recommends that towers under 200 feet be painted with
alternate bands of aviation orange and white paint. The band width should be
equivalent to 1/7 of the tower height and the paint must be reapplied if it
begins to fade. The Advisory Circular also recommends that high-visibility
sleeves and aviation orange spherical market balls be installed on any outer
guy wires. 

 

The new law also creates an FAA database of all towers covered under this
provision. The database will contain location and height information of each
Covered Tower. The FAA administrator will ensure that any proprietary
information in the database is protected from disclosure in accordance with
the law. 

 

Exemption Proposal and Input Request

 

As mentioned above, we are working with CCA to create an exemption or carve
out for communication towers. Based on meetings with Senate Commerce
Committee staff, CCA is working to include in the exemption any tower
possessing clear, visual cues such as bases, attachments, antennas, or any
equipment critical to service. Other suggestions for exemption include
temporary towers or CoWs, towers that comply with local zoning ordinances
and/or National Historic Preservation Act, towers with an antenna array over
five feet (5') in diameter, guy wired towers, and towers with antennas that
have reflective material. With regard to the FAA database, an alternative
proposal is to make a database of communication towers available to aviators
for reference and not require those tower owners to mark their towers.  

 

 

Regards,

 



David Williamson

Owner

Custom Computers

Winchester Wireless

2979 Valley Avenue

Winchester, VA 22601-2631

 

www.customcomputersva.com <http://www.customcomputersva.com/> 

www.winchesterwireless.com <http://www.winchesterwireless.com/>  

da...@customcomputersva.com <mailto:da...@customcomputersva.com> 

540-722-9688 ext. 223 Office

877-765-3700 Fax



 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Someone has to be in the market for good quality 5ghz dual pol sectors

[Joe Buck]

Scott,,

 

Thanks for taking my call. We talked about the KB sectors. Let me know when
you have a chance to determine what you want for them and we can get
together soon.

 

Thanks,

 

Joe

 

 





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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:01 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Someone has to be in the market for good quality 5ghz dual
pol sectors

 

I have pallets of them lol - I was supposed to be able to use some and sell
some.  Plan not working so well 

 

KP Performance 5Ghz Dual Polarity Sectors PN: KPPA-5GHZDP 120S  (5GHz 120
degree 16.3 dBi Dual Pol Sector GEN III)

 

Any reasonable offer...  and maybe even an unreasonable one gets you some
antennas.  Help a brother out !!!

 

Hit me off list

  

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Technical Operations

Florida High Speed Internet

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Re: [WISPA] Vicksburg, MS

[Joe Miller]

I forwarded the email to the Mississippi list

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Paul Vingiello
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 3:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Vicksburg, MS

 

I would appreciate it if someone that services Vicksburg MS, or probably closer 
to Rolling Rock, MS would contact me.  I have a group of customers just a tad 
North of there that is looking for service, and I can't quite reach them.


 

-- 

Thanks,
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318-884-0022

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Re: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?

[Joe Miller]

I have had some not so good experiences with their bonded T-1’s in the past. 
Maybe things have gotten better now.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tim Way
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?

 

Does anyone have experience working with CenturyLink in regards to getting a 
proper circuit from that will legally allow you to resell bandwidth on it? In 
particular I know of a remote area that can get residential DSL but for miles 
and miles after that there is nothing. My hope is CenturyLink would convert 
that a business service would allow me to resell it. I'd be willing to extend 
from there outwards into areas that are completely without non satellite or 
cellular service.

 

Some quick Google work shows up only 1 relevant result and it would seem I 
would need to be a CLEC to make that work.

 

Being the peach they are usually to work with just looking for what others have 
experienced before I try to work through some phone trees at CenturyLink.

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams

[Joe Miller]

Call these people, I just got off the phone with them myself,
http://www.netzeye.com/catalog/onvif-cameras-c-61.html I bought a couple of
the IP cameras to test out. Also, a better price point an UBNT.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan McKenzie
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams

 

Chris, 

Wow that is good info.  I had no idea they had removed the RTSP.  And I was
just about to spec UBNT cams in a project using RTSP.  

Have you found a good alternative?  

Someone else in this thread mentioned Arecont cams.  Are they cheap and
provide RTSP?  

Thanks,
Ryan McKenzie
385-215-WIFI

On 9/25/14, 10:34 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:

The newer UVC cams apparently don't have it at all. And the aircam beta is
currently set to remove it for good. So your good if you never update. But
what do you do if you need another or RMA? SOL I guess...

I started a thread in the beta forums and called on UBNT to answer for there
crime and got crickets.

sent from my phone!

On Sep 25, 2014 8:18 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

Do you know what firmware version lost RSTP?

Can the newer cams be rolled back to the old firmware or do I need to return
them to my supplier?

If I can't do RSTP directly from the cam, they are mostly useless to me.

--



On 9/25/2014 5:57 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:

Be careful with UBNT cameras now. They are/have disabled RSTP completly. So
what you have to do now is backhaul your feed to a Unifi Video server then
get your RTSP stream from there. It changed the game in how we are going to
be doing cameras now as we were taking RTSP streams selectively and directly
from the camera when we wanted the info so we didn't have to waste 5Mbps per
stream at all times to our head ends. Plus they will only work with Unifi
Video which is lame as well.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of LTI - Dennis Burgess
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams

 

We use UBNT cameras and MT backhauls, SXTs are cheap: )  

 

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:54 PM, TJ Trout t...@pcguys.us wrote:

I use geovision IP cameras, they work great but no wifi options.

 

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

Got a project that requires 10-12 outdoor cams, prefer wifi units so we can
backhaul them in 5 ghz

 

Any ideas? 

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

[Joe Miller]

Of all the distributors listed on their web site…. No one is carrying them yet. 
anyone know a cost on these?

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

 

The connectorized version was less than the AF5, though you would obviously 
need to add antennas. I'd recommend the Jirous ones.



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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:59:03 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded 
secret? :)

 

On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

[Joe Fiero]

I don’t comment all that often here, but very much pay attention to the voices 
of experience.  On Net Neutrality, I have plenty to say.  As with most of my 
FCC comments, what I filed 2 weeks ago with them went against the grain.  I am 
a purist who has been in telecom since I repaired my first CB radio for a 
neighbor at the age of 14.  I helped launch Metromedia’s cellular system in NY, 
 a company I was a part owner in was the first acquisition of Fleetcall in NY 
City.  Anyone as old as me would remember that Fleetcall became NexTel, and for 
the real youngsters, they were acquired by Sprint for what turned out to be a 
total write-off of $35 billion in December of 2004.  I have been using 
unlicensed radio to link communications sites since long before it went 
digital.  

 

One thing my experience and observations have taught me is that nothing 
promotes innovation like free market.  We need not look beyond our own industry 
to prove that.  When no one would service 40% of America, we collectively built 
an industry that matured into a recognized and respected market sector.   I was 
involved in the previous formation of an industry that is both parallel and 
intertwined with WISPS, that of home satellite television. 

 

Back in the mid 1970’s a band of tenacious, adventurous experimenters took 
handfuls of surplus junk and built home earth stations.  In short order we went 
from being pirates and thieves to an established medium to reach rural America. 
 It wasn’t long before the big money found us and pushed us out of the way.  We 
went from a place where we could make a respectable income to being lackeys for 
DirecTV and DISH who generously paid us a few dollars to do the job and then 
gave us a big residual of 50 cents to about two dollars, on subscribers that 
ARPU of $100 or more.

 

WISPs have been struggling to keep up with the Netflix demand since they went 
to Internet delivery in 2009.  Systems big and small quickly found their choke 
points.  And like in highway design, if you upgrade one intersection, the 
traffic jam just moves to the next unimproved intersection.  The problem is, 
unlike the highway department, we don’t run on tax revenue.  We have to charge 
subscribers for a service that is both fair and responsive to their needs.

 

The SPRINT concept in the article is the most fair and responsible way to 
assure that our infrastructure can meet the demand, and that those creating the 
demand are the ones paying for it.  The FCC needs to stop cow-towing to the 
illiterate public who are still touting that they need to “protect the FREE 
Internet”.  Who gets this for free?  If you are in a coffee shop, the 
proprietor is paying for it.  Public Wi-Fi is advertising or tax subsidized.  
Do we get power, water, heating for free?  

 

Ten years ago we projected a mass movement from the PSTN to VoIP.  Even the 
industry experts never predicted a loss of 48% of copper lines in 10 years.  
What was built up over a century dissipated in the blink of an eye.  We are 
again on the cusp of a shift in the paradigm that will see cable and satellite 
users shift to Internet based delivery on any device they desire.  The same 
dramatic reduction witnessed in copper phone lines awaits the traditional 
Multichannel marketplace.  And along with the big guns, we are on the front 
line.  We will be expected to deliver copious amounts of data to subscribers as 
they stream HD video and music to multiple devices in their homes and offices.  

 

We, the WISP industry, need to step up our game if we are going to remain part 
of this.  We are going to have to emulate the cellular industry with frequency 
reuse like we never imagined.  We are going to have to replace our older radios 
with ones that can deliver the required bandwidth, and our backhauls are going 
to need enough capacity to handle all this.  

 

But how do we justify the cost, who do we charge, and how do we do it?  The 
early agreement with Verizon and Netflix that received the FCC’s blessing was 
never going to benefit everyone.  How long would it take for you and I to get 
Netflix to pay for our “fast lane”?  My guess was never.  

 

Netflix, Hulu, and the like have created a business model where they have no 
cost to deliver a product to their users.  They are using the infrastructure 
built and paid for by others, then stirring up the ignorant masses to complain 
to the FCC about the free Internet.   I have learned the hard way that no 
matter what is done to increase bandwidth, the increase is negated in short 
order, often weeks if not days, by savvy users that realize they can pull 
another stream and waste no time setting it up.

 

The simple answer is, let the market decide.  If you want Netflix, each stream 
will cost you a monthly fee.  Likewise for other streaming services.  This way 
the user pays, not everyone.

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh 

Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

[Joe Fiero]

George went with Vitelity

I went with VOIPo

 

I looked at Vitelity, but there were more moving parts and right now I had
to get people back up.  VOIPo is as plain vanilla as can be, and if it isn't
meeting my needs I can always migrateat my convenience --- to another
provider.

 

As a FYI for those similarly situated, I was able to port all my numbers
out.  I had some issues with CSR mismatches.  The customer record may have
an incorrect zip code or town, which will stop the port.  I even had a
number of lines that were still under VoX, not the subscriber.   

 

VoX can no longer access the CSRs for the numbers, but if anyone needs to
verify the CSR on L3, I have a way to do that.  Hit me off list and I will
share.

 

Joe

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 12:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Who is everyone else using/going to?

 

Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Joe Fiero mailto:joe1...@optonline.net  

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Thanks Ralph,

 

I know Lauri for years.  At this point migration is my focus.  The
disruption to business for us and many of our clients, especially business
and professionals, is beyond description.  I don't know if there is anything
left to talk about with them, last I saw their stock was at $0.0007 per
share.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 5:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Joe-

Dunno if it will help you but I have this contact info from when we were
trying to get our deposit back for months:

 

 

Lauri J. Vertrees
Director of Operations
Pervasip Corp
75 South Broadway, Suite 400
White Plains, NY 10601
Ofc:  914-750-6626
Fax:  866-214-2532
lvertr...@pervasip.com
lvertr...@voxcorp.net
www.pervasip.com
www.voxcorp.net

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 11:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

No warning, no discussion, note went out at 7pm

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 9:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

What a casual sounding message they sent!

How can they act like that isn't serious!?!?

So glad we fired them in 2012!

 

Good luck, Joe! Hope you can get those numbers ported.   Did they even tell
you what upstream carrier has them?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 7:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Anyone else using VoX for VoIP service?

 

We lost inbound calling today.  I just received this from VoX:

 

Dear Customer,

At approximately 1:00PM EDT today one of our main suppliers of inbound phone
numbers disconnected us.
We apologize for this. We know it  will cause problems for some customers.
VoX did everything it could to keep all services running smoothly.
Unfortunately, this was unavoidable.
This problem should not affect outbound calls and we urge you to email
customerc...@voxcorp.net should you have issues calling out from your VoX
service.

Due to recent problems the company has had raising funds for continued
operations, we have had to make some very tough decisions with the resources
and carriers that are currently available to us.

If your service was affected because of this issue, you have two options.

1. We can offer you a replacement phone number in your rate center at no
cost to you.
2. You can switch your service to another phone company.


If you want a replacement phone number, please send an email to
customerc...@voxcorp.net. Please be sure to include your account number, or,
current VoX phone number.


Thank You,
VoX Support Team

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Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

[Joe Fiero]

Also, anyone that needs to migrate the locked VoX ATAs to a new provider, it
can be done over the network.  It requires the subscriber making a single
IVR change, and you having the username and password from VoX.  As I
mentioned earlier, you should request a complete list of credentials from
their billing department ( while you can ).  Be sure to ask for all active
devices, as well as anything you have in inventory ( you will need to
provide a list of MACs).

 

Once the customer makes the change on the IVR, the web server is enabled on
the WAN side, so if you can see the device, you can access the device and
reconfigure it.

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 1:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

George went with Vitelity

I went with VOIPo

 

I looked at Vitelity, but there were more moving parts and right now I had
to get people back up.  VOIPo is as plain vanilla as can be, and if it isn't
meeting my needs I can always migrateat my convenience --- to another
provider.

 

As a FYI for those similarly situated, I was able to port all my numbers
out.  I had some issues with CSR mismatches.  The customer record may have
an incorrect zip code or town, which will stop the port.  I even had a
number of lines that were still under VoX, not the subscriber.   

 

VoX can no longer access the CSRs for the numbers, but if anyone needs to
verify the CSR on L3, I have a way to do that.  Hit me off list and I will
share.

 

Joe

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 12:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Who is everyone else using/going to?

 

Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Joe Fiero mailto:joe1...@optonline.net  

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Thanks Ralph,

 

I know Lauri for years.  At this point migration is my focus.  The
disruption to business for us and many of our clients, especially business
and professionals, is beyond description.  I don't know if there is anything
left to talk about with them, last I saw their stock was at $0.0007 per
share.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 5:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Joe-

Dunno if it will help you but I have this contact info from when we were
trying to get our deposit back for months:

 

 

Lauri J. Vertrees
Director of Operations
Pervasip Corp
75 South Broadway, Suite 400
White Plains, NY 10601
Ofc:  914-750-6626
Fax:  866-214-2532
lvertr...@pervasip.com
lvertr...@voxcorp.net
www.pervasip.com
www.voxcorp.net

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 11:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

No warning, no discussion, note went out at 7pm

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 9:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

What a casual sounding message they sent!

How can they act like that isn't serious!?!?

So glad we fired them in 2012!

 

Good luck, Joe! Hope you can get those numbers ported.   Did they even tell
you what upstream carrier has them?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 7:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Anyone else using VoX for VoIP service?

 

We lost inbound calling today.  I just received this from VoX:

 

Dear Customer,

At approximately 1:00PM EDT today one of our main suppliers of inbound phone
numbers disconnected us.
We apologize for this. We know it  will cause problems for some customers.
VoX did everything it could to keep all services running smoothly.
Unfortunately, this was unavoidable.
This problem should not affect outbound calls and we urge you to email
customerc...@voxcorp.net should you have issues calling out from your VoX
service.

Due to recent problems the company has had raising funds for continued
operations, we have had to make some very tough decisions with the resources
and carriers that are currently available to us.

If your service was affected because of this issue, you have two options.

1. We can offer you a replacement phone number in your rate center at no
cost to you.
2. You can switch your service to another phone company.


If you want a replacement phone number, please send an email to
customerc...@voxcorp.net. Please be sure

Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

[Joe Fiero]

Thanks Ralph,

 

I know Lauri for years.  At this point migration is my focus.  The
disruption to business for us and many of our clients, especially business
and professionals, is beyond description.  I don't know if there is anything
left to talk about with them, last I saw their stock was at $0.0007 per
share.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 5:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Joe-

Dunno if it will help you but I have this contact info from when we were
trying to get our deposit back for months:

 

 

Lauri J. Vertrees
Director of Operations
Pervasip Corp
75 South Broadway, Suite 400
White Plains, NY 10601
Ofc:  914-750-6626
Fax:  866-214-2532
lvertr...@pervasip.com
lvertr...@voxcorp.net
www.pervasip.com
www.voxcorp.net

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 11:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

No warning, no discussion, note went out at 7pm

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 9:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

What a casual sounding message they sent!

How can they act like that isn't serious!?!?

So glad we fired them in 2012!

 

Good luck, Joe! Hope you can get those numbers ported.   Did they even tell
you what upstream carrier has them?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 7:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Anyone else using VoX for VoIP service?

 

We lost inbound calling today.  I just received this from VoX:

 

Dear Customer,

At approximately 1:00PM EDT today one of our main suppliers of inbound phone
numbers disconnected us.
We apologize for this. We know it  will cause problems for some customers.
VoX did everything it could to keep all services running smoothly.
Unfortunately, this was unavoidable.
This problem should not affect outbound calls and we urge you to email
customerc...@voxcorp.net should you have issues calling out from your VoX
service.

Due to recent problems the company has had raising funds for continued
operations, we have had to make some very tough decisions with the resources
and carriers that are currently available to us.

If your service was affected because of this issue, you have two options.

1. We can offer you a replacement phone number in your rate center at no
cost to you.
2. You can switch your service to another phone company.


If you want a replacement phone number, please send an email to
customerc...@voxcorp.net. Please be sure to include your account number, or,
current VoX phone number.


Thank You,
VoX Support Team

Comments?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

[Joe Fiero]

Anyone else using VoX for VoIP service?

 

We lost inbound calling today.  I just received this from VoX:

 

Dear Customer,

At approximately 1:00PM EDT today one of our main suppliers of inbound phone
numbers disconnected us.
We apologize for this. We know it  will cause problems for some customers.
VoX did everything it could to keep all services running smoothly.
Unfortunately, this was unavoidable.
This problem should not affect outbound calls and we urge you to email
customerc...@voxcorp.net should you have issues calling out from your VoX
service.

Due to recent problems the company has had raising funds for continued
operations, we have had to make some very tough decisions with the resources
and carriers that are currently available to us.

If your service was affected because of this issue, you have two options.

1. We can offer you a replacement phone number in your rate center at no
cost to you.
2. You can switch your service to another phone company.


If you want a replacement phone number, please send an email to
customerc...@voxcorp.net. Please be sure to include your account number, or,
current VoX phone number.


Thank You,
VoX Support Team



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Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

[Joe Fiero]

No warning, no discussion, note went out at 7pm

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 9:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

What a casual sounding message they sent!

How can they act like that isn't serious!?!?

So glad we fired them in 2012!

 

Good luck, Joe! Hope you can get those numbers ported.   Did they even tell
you what upstream carrier has them?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 7:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Anyone else using VoX for VoIP service?

 

We lost inbound calling today.  I just received this from VoX:

 

Dear Customer,

At approximately 1:00PM EDT today one of our main suppliers of inbound phone
numbers disconnected us.
We apologize for this. We know it  will cause problems for some customers.
VoX did everything it could to keep all services running smoothly.
Unfortunately, this was unavoidable.
This problem should not affect outbound calls and we urge you to email
customerc...@voxcorp.net should you have issues calling out from your VoX
service.

Due to recent problems the company has had raising funds for continued
operations, we have had to make some very tough decisions with the resources
and carriers that are currently available to us.

If your service was affected because of this issue, you have two options.

1. We can offer you a replacement phone number in your rate center at no
cost to you.
2. You can switch your service to another phone company.


If you want a replacement phone number, please send an email to
customerc...@voxcorp.net. Please be sure to include your account number, or,
current VoX phone number.


Thank You,
VoX Support Team

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Re: [WISPA] Small NEMA Enclosures

[Joe Miller]

Sam,

Try
http://www.enclosurehub.com/productcart/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=925

Joe

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:06 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Small NEMA Enclosures

What do you guy use for small NEMA waterproof enclosures? These would be the
size to hold three UBNT PoE and a small (four-port) switch and corresponding
AC adapter, and an electrical block with four receptacles for plugging in
the aforementioned items.

Thanks,
Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

[Joe Fiero]

 

+1

 

One clamp, about a buck can save many service calls. 

 

Just because they put them in the box, it doesn’t mean you have to use them.  
Save them for the wiring and you get money back toward the hose clamp!

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of ~NGL~
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 6:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

 

Why not use stainless hose clamps.

NGL

From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  

Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 3:14 PM

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Favorite replacement for UBNT zip ties?

 

Those have never seemed like a good idea so I never tried them.

I have a local source for cheap ties - wintronic aka WinElectric.  For good 
tower ties I love the TB.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 28, 2014 5:51 PM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net wrote:

Apologies for the mundane question.  Anyone have a preferred brand / source for 
replacements for the ~12 plastic zip ties that UBNT packages with their AirMax 
gear?

Zip ties of similar thickness from the usual suspects (e.g. Home Depot or 
Lowes) seem to only be 36 or longer, and their thinner ties embrittle too 
easily in sunlight.



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Re: [WISPA] Relay agreement

[Joe Fiero]

 

Good morning all,

 

We developed a series of documents in house when we readied launch.  This
one (attached)  is a no cost barter for broadband service.  We have others
that include phone service as well as a more advances contract allowing for
the placement of a tower when needed.

 

Have at it...

 

I hope some of you find it useful.

 

Joe

 

Joe Fiero

CEO

 

NuTel Broadband Corporation

1802 North Carson Street  Suite 108

Carson City, Nevada  89706

 

Direct-732-364-4161

 

joe.fi...@nutelbroadband.com

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ~NGL~
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Relay agreement

 

How do I contact him?

NGL

From: Carl Shivers mailto:cshiv...@aristotle.net  

Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:29 AM

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Relay agreement

 

Nathan Stooke did a presentation on Mini Pops at WispAmerica. He briefly
discussed agreements. You might want to check with him.

 

Carl Shivers

Chief Information Officer | ARISTOTLE
cshiv...@aristotle.net

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(P)  tel:501.374.4638 501.374.4638  (TF)  tel:800.995.2747 800.995.2747
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Behalf Of ~NGL~
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Relay agreement

 

I need an agreement that covers my using a clients roof to relay wifi to
other clients.

Anyone have one they would share?

Thanx

NGL




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Re: [WISPA] Relay agreement

[Joe Fiero]

It's on the follow up post.  Didn't make it on the first one.  

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ~NGL~
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Relay agreement

 

Thanx, But I don't see the attachment

NGL

 

 

rom: Joe Fiero mailto:joe1...@optonline.net  

Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 9:24 AM

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Relay agreement

 

 

Good morning all,

 

We developed a series of documents in house when we readied launch.  This
one (attached)  is a no cost barter for broadband service.  We have others
that include phone service as well as a more advances contract allowing for
the placement of a tower when needed.

 

Have at it...

 

I hope some of you find it useful.

 

Joe

 

Joe Fiero

CEO

 

NuTel Broadband Corporation

1802 North Carson Street  Suite 108

Carson City, Nevada  89706

 

Direct-732-364-4161

 

joe.fi...@nutelbroadband.com

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ~NGL~
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Relay agreement

 

How do I contact him?

NGL

From: Carl Shivers mailto:cshiv...@aristotle.net  

Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:29 AM

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Relay agreement

 

Nathan Stooke did a presentation on Mini Pops at WispAmerica. He briefly
discussed agreements. You might want to check with him.

 

Carl Shivers

Chief Information Officer | ARISTOTLE
cshiv...@aristotle.net

 http://www.aristotle.net/ Description: Description:
aristotle_email_signature_logo
401 West Capitol Avenue - Suite 700 . Little Rock, Arkansas 72201
(P)  tel:501.374.4638 501.374.4638  (TF)  tel:800.995.2747 800.995.2747
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http://www.aristotlebuzz.com/ Aristotle Buzz Blog

 

 

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Behalf Of ~NGL~
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Relay agreement

 

I need an agreement that covers my using a clients roof to relay wifi to
other clients.

Anyone have one they would share?

Thanx

NGL




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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Joe Miller]

Sweet!!!

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

Ok,  Ya'll win.  The programmers are working on this as we speak.  Finding
the needed height for the desired signal is going to be automatic.  The site
is going to look at the desired signal.  If it is below what it should be
the it is going to start raising the antenna until the desired signal is
reached and return the estimated height needed for the link.  You won't need
to click to move it up.  This will be dynamic.

 

Still needs more testing before it goes live.

 

Jim

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

From 1:33 PM Eastern today.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote:

Including the .9472 days since you asked the question?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

I'll give you 1.47 days.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
wrote:

BTW, give us a day or two!   Think we have a idea on this that will help!  J


 

Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second
Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm 

 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services

 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
http://www.linktechs.net/  - Skype: linktechs

 -- Create Wireless Coverage's with  http://www.towercoverage.com/
www.towercoverage.com - 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all the
same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.  There's
no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a
whole lot of sense for either of us.



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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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Re: [WISPA] 8x8 antenna for ubnt?? pic attached

[Joe Falaschi]

I'd be interested in a combo 3.65GHz and 5.xGHz antenna.  We do not use 2.4 
much ourselves.  60 to 90 degrees would be optimal for us.  We're running into 
loading issues on some sites if we're looking to convert from Canopy FSK form 
factor to 8 - 12 17 db sectors at a single site.  The cost concerns about 
commercial sites has already been brought up but some grain legs do not have 
the capacity to easily install that many antennas much less some of our water 
tower locations that also have cell carriers on them.

Joe Falaschi
e-vergent


On Mar 17, 2014, at 3:44 PM, RanchBoss wrote:

 That would be enough for me to consider using some - lower tower lease fees.  
 I would like to see one that is 2.4 dual slant, 3.65 dual slant, and 5 
 standard dual polarity H/V. All with a 90 or 120 degree sector pattern. 14 to 
 18 dbi gain range.  I would definitely try that one out!
 
 Allen Pooley
 Ranch Wireless
 
 Sent from my Ranch Phone
 
 On Mar 17, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Pedro Ramirez wi...@itelite.net wrote:
 
 Like somebody mentioned in a previous email on this topic it reduces 
 tower lease fees.
 
 I would like to know if it has any other advantage.
 
 Pedro
 Itelite Antennas, Inc
 
 On 17-Mar-14 1:26 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 Interesting thought...
 
 Question, What would be the advantage of using a configuration as such ?
 
 
 Regards.
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 
 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Pedro Ramirez wi...@itelite.net
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Cc: radek filip tyc r...@itelite.net, Adrian Metelica 
 adrian.metel...@itelite.net
 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:56:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 8x8 antenna for ubnt?? pic attached
 
 We can make a Sector antenna for 4 Rockets similar to the one in your
 pictures.
 
 It can be with 4 external N-Female connectors or with a metal shielded
 enclosure with internal SMA connectors to put the rockets inside.
 
 What frequencies are needed?
 
 And who would like to test this new design for us?
 
 Pedro Ramirez
 Itelite Antennas, Inc
 
 On 16-Mar-14 7:37 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 Could it be something like this?
 
 http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/5-GHz-80211a-Triband//PRO-SECTOR-XL-245dual-band2xdual-HV.html
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Mar 16, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 
 I think one of the many local wisps popping here are getting very
 creative
 
 Anyone can ID this sector? Im thinking its a Mobile Carrier antenna that
 they are reusing… but what band?
 
 
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr
 
 
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[WISPA] Letters of recommendation needed by the WISPA group

[Joe Miller]

Ladies and gentlemen,

 

Finally after over 8 long years since hurricane Katrina, we are really close
to deploying wireless Internet service into the Waveland, Bay St Louis, and
Perlington areas of Hancock Co MS. Ground 0 of Hurricane Katrina Aug 29,
2005. I have spent years working on this project since WISPA / Part15 / T1
International left the area. The current infrastructure of the phone and
cable companies are still sub par due to the salt water intrusion of the
flood waters that destroyed most of the county and with the small population
left, they are not willing to spend the millions required to replace it. I
feel that this is a great opportunity to let the powers that be in Hancock
Co know that we, the WISPA group have not forgotten about these people. I
believe that bringing this technology back into the area will help with the
economical re-growth of Hancock County, MS.

 

Although the FCC map does not show this as a high cost area for Broadband, I
assure you that it is. I have a tech who lives in Waveland that has to use a
MiFi card because she cannot get high speed Internet at her house. With this
she is subject to overages from the carrier. This problem is wide spread
throughout the area.

 

I am today asking for letters of support from this group on your company
letter head that I can take with me when I meet with the new Mayor of Bay St
Louis tomorrow at 3pm 2/24/14, and with the Hancock County officials on
2/26/14 at 9am. I know that this doesn't give anyone a lot of time to write
a letter, but I was informed of these meetings this weekend. Any help with
this will be appreciated.

 

I would like to see this as a WISPA project and not just a DSLbyAir project.
Every talent in making a wisp is encouraged to participate. Many hands make
for small work. I believe that this is a good opportunity for the group to
show the country that this IS what WISPA is all about. This will give us as
a group more credibility moving forward. 

 

It is time to help these people where they have been forgotten over the last
8 years. The weather channel refers to the MS Gulf Coast as the land mass
between New Orleans, LA and Mobile, AL. we are Landmassians.
www.facebook.com/Landmassians 

 

Although the rubble of the hurricane has long been discarded over the years,
some progress has been made to get the area back to a pre-Katrina state but
it has a ways to go yet. 

 

As Rick Harnish describesWe are the IP TransitionWe are WISPA. 

 

This I believe will be a challenge to the rest of the country. I also think
that D.C. should look at this and say, this is how it should be done by
private enterprise.

 

If anyone wants to help with this project, feel free to contact me off list.

 

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

228-831-8881

 

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Letters of recommendation needed by the WISPA group

[Joe Miller]

Thanks Rick

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 2:41 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org
Cc: 'Principal WISPA Member List'; 'Wes Griffith'; 'Ubiquiti Users Group';
mississi...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Letters of recommendation needed by the
WISPA group

 

Joe,

 

Good Luck on your project.

 

Join us at WISPAmerica 2014 in Little Rock, March 21
http://www.wispamerica.net/ st-28th

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org

adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)

 

 

 

From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Joe Miller
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:33 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org
Cc: 'Ubiquiti Users Group'; 'Principal WISPA Member List'; 'Wes Griffith';
'WISPA General List'; mississi...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA Members] Letters of recommendation needed by the WISPA group

 

Ladies and gentlemen,

 

Finally after over 8 long years since hurricane Katrina, we are really close
to deploying wireless Internet service into the Waveland, Bay St Louis, and
Perlington areas of Hancock Co MS. Ground 0 of Hurricane Katrina Aug 29,
2005. I have spent years working on this project since WISPA / Part15 / T1
International left the area. The current infrastructure of the phone and
cable companies are still sub par due to the salt water intrusion of the
flood waters that destroyed most of the county and with the small population
left, they are not willing to spend the millions required to replace it. I
feel that this is a great opportunity to let the powers that be in Hancock
Co know that we, the WISPA group have not forgotten about these people. I
believe that bringing this technology back into the area will help with the
economical re-growth of Hancock County, MS.

 

Although the FCC map does not show this as a high cost area for Broadband, I
assure you that it is. I have a tech who lives in Waveland that has to use a
MiFi card because she cannot get high speed Internet at her house. With this
she is subject to overages from the carrier. This problem is wide spread
throughout the area.

 

I am today asking for letters of support from this group on your company
letter head that I can take with me when I meet with the new Mayor of Bay St
Louis tomorrow at 3pm 2/24/14, and with the Hancock County officials on
2/26/14 at 9am. I know that this doesn't give anyone a lot of time to write
a letter, but I was informed of these meetings this weekend. Any help with
this will be appreciated.

 

I would like to see this as a WISPA project and not just a DSLbyAir project.
Every talent in making a wisp is encouraged to participate. Many hands make
for small work. I believe that this is a good opportunity for the group to
show the country that this IS what WISPA is all about. This will give us as
a group more credibility moving forward. 

 

It is time to help these people where they have been forgotten over the last
8 years. The weather channel refers to the MS Gulf Coast as the land mass
between New Orleans, LA and Mobile, AL. we are Landmassians.
www.facebook.com/Landmassians 

 

Although the rubble of the hurricane has long been discarded over the years,
some progress has been made to get the area back to a pre-Katrina state but
it has a ways to go yet. 

 

As Rick Harnish describesWe are the IP TransitionWe are WISPA. 

 

This I believe will be a challenge to the rest of the country. I also think
that D.C. should look at this and say, this is how it should be done by
private enterprise.

 

If anyone wants to help with this project, feel free to contact me off list.

 

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

228-831-8881

 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

[Joe Falaschi]

Look into hotel management companies.  We have a small handful of motel 
accounts and they have all come from the managment companies that own a bunch 
of properties of a variety of chains.  We do not have any Hilton or Marriott 
accounts.

Joe


On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Are you trying to get your services into hotels? I am as well and would 
 appreciate any help I can get.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:10:13 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?
 
 Guys,
  
 Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like 
 Regional IT Directors?
  
 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
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[WISPA] be on the look out for this

[Joe Miller]

We had a network outage yesterday afternoon, and thanks to Mike Francis at
JMF Solutions the problem went away. So, anyone who needs network help.I
would strongly recommend Mike Francis at JMF Solutions.

 

Kudos to Mike Francis.

 

http://threatpost.com/us-cert-warns-of-ntp-amplification-attacks/103573 

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

228-831-8881

 

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[WISPA] FW: [SPAM] registration of dslbyair, your company's brand

[Joe Miller]

I found this rather interesting last night…

 

From: Cameron Wu [mailto:not...@da-sol.cn] 
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:22 AM
To: joe.mil
Subject: [SPAM] registration of dslbyair, your company's brand
Importance: High

 

(Letter to Head of Brand Business or CEO, thanks)

Dear Sir or Madam,

This is a formal email. We are the department of Asian Domain Registration
Service in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally
received an application on December 2, 2013 that a company claimed Jeper 
BZ LTD were applying to register dslbyair as their Brand Name and some
dslbyair Asian countries top-level domain names through our firm.

Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we
found the name were similar to your company's, so we need to check with you
whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If
you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did
not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle
this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the
registration for Jeper  BZ LTD. Looking forward to your prompt reply.

Best Regards, 

 

Cameron Wu

 

Tel:+86-551-6349 5334
Fax:+86-551-6349 5344
Address:HuiZhou Ave. 856, Hefei, Anhui, CN



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Re: [WISPA] DDOS attack

[Joe Miller]

It looks like it is incomimg.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Clay Stewart
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:23 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DDOS attack

 

Joe, if it is overwhelming your router, run the sniffer (may take a few minutes 
to start and then stop) and then you will have to disconnect (turn off WAN) in 
order to copy file out to computer.

 

I have been through a bunch of these over last couple months, including a 
couple this last weekend. 

 

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

We'll need to know what kind of attack it is to help you. From outside 
directing at your IPs, DNS amplification, incoming SPAM, outgoing SPAM, etc.?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

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From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:06:29 AM
Subject: [WISPA] DDOS attack

 

I’m getting slammed with emails from my provider regarding a possible DDOS 
attacks to several of my IP’s.

 

I’m using Mikrotik and just trying to figure out how to stop this.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

228-831-8881

 

 

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[WISPA] DDOS attack

[Joe Miller]

I'm getting slammed with emails from my provider regarding a possible DDOS
attacks to several of my IP's.

 

I'm using Mikrotik and just trying to figure out how to stop this.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

228-831-8881

 

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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider

[Joe Miller]

I have come across this, www.gotwifi.com and it seems to be similar to wireless 
orbit. They are located somewhere near Birmingham, Alabama. I do not know a lot 
about this company. It looks like their parent company is www.gk2inc.com 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of John Scrivner
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider

 

Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you 
have contact information for them?

John Scrivner

 

 

 

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:

We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for
years.
Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks.

Who is using something they can recommend?

Requirements:

Work with Mikrotik hotspot.
Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings,
login pages, etc.
Handles various payment plans and time limits.
Supports Authorize.net
Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do.

Nice to haves:
Can support auto login by MAC
Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account.
Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If
limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use
all 6 Mbps simultaneously.)

MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals
Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take
custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking.

Thanks

Ralph


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Re: [WISPA] WISP Request

[Joe Miller]

Bryan,

I'm in the Biloxi / Gulfport MS area. Can I help you with anything?

Joe Miller
www.dslbyair.com
228-831-8881

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Brooks
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:01 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] WISP Request

Hello-

 We are an almost new member with our membership currently in process.  We
are excited to be joining the group.

Apologies for the newbie question but is this the right list for WISP
information requests?

I.E. Im looking for a WISP in Baton Rouge area.


Regards,
Bryan

Bryan Brooks
Pavlov Media
217-530-1946
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Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza 2013 Presentations

[Joe Miller]

I agree with Mike,

 

As an older WISP, the general discussions are getting to be less of a value 
every year. 

 

Thanks Mike for pointing that out.

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

228-831-8881 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza 2013 Presentations

 

I spoke with a few people and we were talking about small sessions that would 
maybe fit in those rooms at the end of the hall with more detailed 
conversation, whatever the topic. The more experienced WISP will find less and 
less value in the generic sessions, but maybe one that goes into detail on BGP, 
some facet of marketing or accounting, LTE, etc. What topics I don't know off 
hand. These types of sessions could go on for 2 or 3 hours. Perhaps more 
interactive.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

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From: Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:58:52 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Wispapalooza 2013 Presentations

Hello,

 

If you were not able to make it to Wispapalooza this year you 
missed a great show.  If you did thank you for making it a great show.  We will 
be sending out a survey soon looking for your feedback.  All feedback is 
welcome.  Even though the show has been better and better each year we need to 
make sure we are catering to your needs.  One bit of great feedback from Marlon 
was to have expert sessions.  We would find experts on the topic and they would 
dive deep into it.

 

Below is the schedule of the show with links to the presentations.  
I am still missing a few, but as soon as I get them I will send an update out.

 

I am also still working on my sample contracts and evaluations for 
the mergers and acquisitions presentation.  I have to scrub out the names of 
the companies we bought so it takes some time to get it done.  As soon as I 
have that done I will send it out as well.

 

Thanks

 

 

 
https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/6e24ab85467c4a6a88fccc9460e503a3.pdf
 Sessions good for a new WISP.

 

Saturday 12th


https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/69ed429350d3475b87935bbc3b4c1151.pdf
 PON Fiber Ecosystem Overview


https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/46231303d97d46a78d20f3c7ad7e9042.pdf
 Vault and Fiber Management


https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/09eb1b55fc4b42bdb966d95e3e8b6f13.pdf
 Fiber Optic Cable Handling and Specifics


https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/46231303d97d46a78d20f3c7ad7e9042.pdf
 What is Engineering   
https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/632e584942fc4d629cddb68937a5d8a0.xlsx
 Excel Worksheet


https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/07f877916f7a496795fc25d79833fde5.pdf
 ONT, OLT and Software Management

 

Sunday 13th


https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/bd9fe2cfdead4d1cbdf27d627db990cf.pdf
 IPTV– Foundation and Generations

 

Monday 14th

   No Presentations

 

Tuesday 15th


https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/8d6dd6e1246147feb9572190bde4d33f.pdf
 Vendor Introductions

 

2:30


https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/369b19576667470984c8c782bf0071dc.pdf
 Spectrum Hurtz so good


https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/7d3ee03bebdb49478c642d0790abe14d.pdf
 Customer Service

   WISP 101   
https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/d5e0cad1567a4e7eb6a80e37ae644d2d.pdf
 Key Spectrum   
https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/ab3c637248fe4b589a9daffb3b6c6e1b.pdf
 FCC Regulatory Checklist   
https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/2b266acd300744b08f430cdcdbdb9250.pdf
 Mapping and Billing  
https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/f65252ab578e4714b3e3b18db4d48ad2.pdf
 Expect A Profit

 

3:45 

 
https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/8799ad6e7da1431bb1955ea360303ee8.pdf
 How to hire the right people for installer and support ( 
https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/77ee6102f3774f29acecbe8faf70497d.pdf
 Wisper Hiring Process)

   Fiber Economics in Small Towns

   As we grow – Learn how to  protect yourself against legal issues

 

Wednesday 16th

9:00


https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/d6050f643ce34132877a65d16fbf20b4.pdf
 Getting Address Space from ARIN


https://custom.cvent.com/400DF70C75B149AEB88713E091C71C51/files/b133894e44e6418f844499f950a7a8dd.pdf
 New Business Opportunities: Small

Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

[Joe Fiero]

 to be just 8 that consumed 50%.  And yes, bandwidth consumption has
increased accordingly.  This change from 8 to 13 subscribers being in the
top 50% indicates my high usage subscribers have increased by 120% in
roughly the past 6 months.  Post holiday season I expect to see at least a
300% increase in my high usage subscribers, which without changes to my
network, will bring data flow to a standstill.

 

So build and meter.  Don’t ignore the elephant in the room referenced
earlier in this discussion.  Just look at copper phone lines that peaked at
186 million in 2004 which today number about 84 million.  In just 9 years,
pureplay VoIP, cable VoIP and cellular technologies  caused a 55% shift in a
once-thought untouchable market.  

 

Joe

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 5:55 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

 

On 9/25/2013 1:00 PM, heith petersen wrote:

I just got off the phone with a customer. I made some adjustments to his SM
the other day to make netflix work. He called back today to tell me it works
good but his direct tv showtime package is OK but not great. I kind of
wanted to ask him what the hell gives dish net the right to sell you a
service that rides on my back bone where I do not make anymore money for
your additional use of my service. Anyways I got that off my chest.

 

So our situation has been for years residential customers pay a flat rate,
we have no speed or usage based packages. When the customer calls about
netflix I make throttle adjustments in the SM to make them happy. Well
eventually I have an overloaded AP, then I have to either sectorize or add a
different frequency, add higher capacity BHs out of my pocket, just to keep
my customers happy at the same price we have been charging for 10 years. (We
recently, since going to new billing service, added a $2 paper fee for non
emailed invoices and I get crucified by the same customers every month).
Ideally I want to get away from mechanical throttles.

 

We are in the middle running our authentication thru our new billing system,
and converting bridged to fully routed. You know, the things we should have
been doing from day one. Anyways, once we get things squared away, what’s a
common practice on doing packages? If you have basic customers out there
that do not stream or use tons of bandwidth would you keep them at the
current rate, or drop the rate and throttle them tight? I would assume that
we would want to offer an increased package to known streamers, maybe
throttle them down to a basic level and wait to hear from them when they are
willing to upgrade their package? I would then anticipate that making the
expenditures to provide them with the service would be worth the venture.

 

Anyways just looking for some suggestions. There is always time to do it
right the second time around

http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 


This is a really big problem for WISPs.  Streaming high-quality video has
been the potential elephant in the room of the ISP business for a long time.
It is finally starting to show up in the room, thanks to Netflix, Hulu, and
others like them.

Poisoning the well is the public's paranoia about cable companies, who
usually have ample Internet capacity (fiber to a major peering point; high
capacity HFC networks).  So if they do anything to limit streaming, it's
seen as an anti-competitive trick, to get people to buy more channels.  This
may or may not be true, but that's the public perception, which was a major
driver of the network neutrality kerfuffle now in court.

Of course most WISPs are nothing like cable!  But the public doesn't see the
difference, and if the FCC gains authority over WISPs (which they shouldn't
have, by law, but what's the law when the public wants their circuses, I
mean teevee?), then if WISPs do anything that selectively blocks video, or
even UDP, it might be seen as a violation.  So your legal authority to act
is in question.  And who is leading the appeal against the law?  Verizon,
who is actually behind it (since it hurts Comcast more than them).  Hence
their arguments are on the lame side.  The only things going for us in the
DC Circuit are that the DC Circuit dislikes the FCC in general, and the FCC
did a really bad job in claiming the authority.

Thus the neutral answer is to move towards bandwidth caps.  This to me
makes more sense, to a WISP, than a rate-based price tier.  Somebody can
burst at 10 Mbps once in a while and put little load on the network, but
somebody watching TV at 3 Mbps all day will clobber you.  Gigabytes/month
represents a monthly average load.  If you do this, you can raise everyone's
base rate to the max.  Cellular does this.

But there are two very different approaches taken even by cellcos when the
cap is reached.  If you are on VZ, ATT or Sprint, you are charged extra when
you exceed the cap.  A lot

Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

[Joe Miller]

Joe,

 

I do agree that usage based billing is the way to go. However, when our
system was originally built 10 years ago, it was done so on the “unlimited”
platform. The customers that we have I believe will respond in a negative
way to the change. So how can we migrate a unlimited system to a UBB system
without for a better word, piss off the existing customer base. I have
thought about this for quite some time and the billing system I have in
place can handle running both at the same time. What would be a good price
point per gig of bandwidth? From looking at the current customer usage I
think using $1.00 per gig would be a good starting point for discussion.
Some customers will see a reduction in monthly cost while most will see an
increase in their monthly service. I can see how we can re coup the cost of
bandwidth a lot easier.

 

I would like to come up with an email  for my customers to ask them what
they think in regards to having virtually as much bandwidth as they can use
in exchange for billing for that usage. Basically, caped speed with flat
rate vs uncapped speed with metered rate.

 

I’m looking at expanding into a new area and using the UBB platform will be
a lot easier to start out with, but changing out the current customer base
to UBB will be a bigger pill to swallow. 

 

I think that this is a good discussion for a session in Vegas.

 

We have hundreds of companies that are members of WISPA, and I think with
enough minds on this that we can come up with a good solution for everyone.

 

Regards,

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

www.facebook.com/dslbyair

228-831-8881

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:17 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

 

I believe Fred to be correct.  Packages based on speed are not the answer.
We call our connection a “pipe”, so let’s use a related analogy;

 

You can have two homes with water service.  One is an older home that has a
½ inch water main, the other is new construction and has a 1 inch service
main.  

 

House number 1 has the original fixtures, so the toilet uses 6 gallons per
flush, the shower flow is 7 gallons per minute and the clothes washer uses
40-55 gallons per load.

 

House number two, being built under new codes that promote conservation has
a low flow toilet that will use 1.6 – 2 gallons per flush, a low flow shower
head that restricts flow to 2.5 gallons per minute and a new clothes washer
that uses 20 gallons per load.

 

With a family of 5 in each house, it’s easy to see that , despite the
smaller service pipe, that house number 1 will have many times the water
usage as house number 2.  A smaller pipe did nothing to control the flow
because the flow limit of the pipe was not reached.  

 

Those two pipes are exactly like a 3 meg and 5 meg Internet connection.
Within reason, the size of the pipe will do little to limit heavy bandwidth
usage.  It only serves to spread it out, creating a longer period of time
that it puts a demand on our networks.

 

Like most,  we saw our network performance begin to deteriorate as Netflix
switched from a physical to a digital delivery system.  The others since
then have continued to slow our once speedy connections.  Now we, as an
industry, are faced with a continued rebuild to meet a voracious demand for
bandwidth to deliver content that we never intended, or anticipated.  Worse
yet, we are being positioned to provide these improvements to support the
business model of companies that barely acknowledge our existence.

 

And they are getting smarter in their use of our pipes.  There was a time
when if you didn’t have a good 4.5 meg flow, Netflix would not stream.  They
have gone to much more advanced encoding that will adjust to feeds of less
than 2 megs, rendering a 3 meg rate limit useless in defending against them.

 

The issue of Net Neutrality somehow became synonymous with no caps.  It
appears we are the only service that is viewed by consumers and governments
that should be given away.  Services like water, natural gas and electricity
are each brought to a home and metered for actual usage, because it is the
only fair way for those that use these services to pay their fair share.  In
most locals, the billing is specifically broken down into two parts.  The
first addresses the base cost of the connection to the property, and the
second reflects the cost of the metered usage.  

 

How is Internet different?  We are a service that delivers a commodity to be
used and never recovered.  The bits of data we move for our subscribers are
no different than the kilowatt, gallon or therm moved by the others.  Could
you imagine if consumers demanded there be no metering on these services?

 

We are being restricted by network limits from delivering the full pipe to
subscribers.  This limitation is a function of cost.  Under our current
structures we cannot

Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

[Joe Fiero]

 

Since you mentioned “all you can eat”…

 

I have been asked twice to stop eating at all you can eat Chinese buffets……..

 

They did it with style.  Rather than confront me, they suggested that it was 
time for me to try their dessert selections.

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of heith petersen
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

 

Fred,

 

thanks for the in-depth answer. Fortunately for me I have 5 different markets 
or areas I serve. Once we get a better handle on what people are doing on our 
network, I might start with my smallest market and look at usage based billing. 
I remember a WISPAlooza speaker asking why would anyone offer all you can eat 
service for a fixed price. Soon, hopefully, I will have the tools to implement 
these options. I have to do something, I don’t have much hair to pull anymore 

 

From: Fred Goldstein mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com  

Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: wireless@wispa.org 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

 

On 9/25/2013 1:00 PM, heith petersen wrote:

I just got off the phone with a customer. I made some adjustments to his SM the 
other day to make netflix work. He called back today to tell me it works good 
but his direct tv showtime package is OK but not great. I kind of wanted to ask 
him what the hell gives dish net the right to sell you a service that rides on 
my back bone where I do not make anymore money for your additional use of my 
service. Anyways I got that off my chest.

 

So our situation has been for years residential customers pay a flat rate, we 
have no speed or usage based packages. When the customer calls about netflix I 
make throttle adjustments in the SM to make them happy. Well eventually I have 
an overloaded AP, then I have to either sectorize or add a different frequency, 
add higher capacity BHs out of my pocket, just to keep my customers happy at 
the same price we have been charging for 10 years. (We recently, since going to 
new billing service, added a $2 paper fee for non emailed invoices and I get 
crucified by the same customers every month). Ideally I want to get away from 
mechanical throttles.

 

We are in the middle running our authentication thru our new billing system, 
and converting bridged to fully routed. You know, the things we should have 
been doing from day one. Anyways, once we get things squared away, what’s a 
common practice on doing packages? If you have basic customers out there that 
do not stream or use tons of bandwidth would you keep them at the current rate, 
or drop the rate and throttle them tight? I would assume that we would want to 
offer an increased package to known streamers, maybe throttle them down to a 
basic level and wait to hear from them when they are willing to upgrade their 
package? I would then anticipate that making the expenditures to provide them 
with the service would be worth the venture.

 

Anyways just looking for some suggestions. There is always time to do it right 
the second time around

http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 


This is a really big problem for WISPs.  Streaming high-quality video has been 
the potential elephant in the room of the ISP business for a long time.  It is 
finally starting to show up in the room, thanks to Netflix, Hulu, and others 
like them.

Poisoning the well is the public's paranoia about cable companies, who usually 
have ample Internet capacity (fiber to a major peering point; high capacity HFC 
networks).  So if they do anything to limit streaming, it's seen as an 
anti-competitive trick, to get people to buy more channels.  This may or may 
not be true, but that's the public perception, which was a major driver of the 
network neutrality kerfuffle now in court.

Of course most WISPs are nothing like cable!  But the public doesn't see the 
difference, and if the FCC gains authority over WISPs (which they shouldn't 
have, by law, but what's the law when the public wants their circuses, I mean 
teevee?), then if WISPs do anything that selectively blocks video, or even UDP, 
it might be seen as a violation.  So your legal authority to act is in 
question.  And who is leading the appeal against the law?  Verizon, who is 
actually behind it (since it hurts Comcast more than them).  Hence their 
arguments are on the lame side.  The only things going for us in the DC Circuit 
are that the DC Circuit dislikes the FCC in general, and the FCC did a really 
bad job in claiming the authority.

Thus the neutral answer is to move towards bandwidth caps.  This to me makes 
more sense, to a WISP, than a rate-based price tier.  Somebody can burst at 10 
Mbps once in a while and put little load on the network, but somebody watching 
TV at 3 Mbps all day will clobber you.  Gigabytes/month represents a monthly 
average load.  If you do this, you can raise everyone's base 

Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

[Joe Fiero]

Joe, 

 

I too built up on an open usage platform and yes, when the subscribers
logged into their PowerCode portals and viewed usage charts I got plenty of
calls.  We have not yet implemented metered billing because the pipe is
still not capable of delivery, but soon.

 

What I told the concerned callers was pretty much what I explained
previously, that a small percentage of subscribers are utilizing the
majority of the system’s resources and that it was effecting  everyone.  I
went on to explain how the goal was to charge those that use more services
for their usage, and assure resources remain available for low volume users.
I also add that based on FCC regulations I can not restrict any specific
type of traffic, so this is the only fair way to assure everyone gets what
they want.  

 

I tell them that our pricing model will not change cost to about 80% of our
subscribers, and the other 20% will see increases based on actual usage.
Many are fearful because they see the abusive rates charged by cellular
carriers for small packages and immediately thing we are going to start
hammering them for $150 per month.  Like much of what I have read here, I
too am looking at about 30-50 GB of transfer as a base with a small per GB
cost.  

 

The real value to the upgrade for me will be once we demonstrate we can
deliver a solid stream that people that are trying to pull multiple streams
will have the option to doing so by upgrading to a higher bandwidth package.
And that is the point I was making before, that the amount of transfer has
little to do with the pipe size, but that size does impact the subscriber’s
ability to have concurrent streams.

 

So we are really focusing on three things; first, we are separating the
basic and power subscribers, then we are offering those power subscribers
the option to get whatever they want, providing they are paying for it.
Sure a few will be pissed because they have this entitlement to unlimited
service.  Tell them you will start the day the power and gas company remove
their meters.

 

In the long run, the decisions made will provide maximum benefit to all
subscribers.  Perhaps we will see a few that refuse to pay and leave, but we
will increase significantly as word gets out about our new capabilities.
Remember, all those smart televisions need a pipe to connect to these
streaming services.  And that is the simplest answer, your changes in
billing are to accommodate a market that did not exist when you deployed.
When you and I put our systems in place Netflix was not streaming.  So we
absolutely must accommodate these new high demand users, while acknowledging
the long time basic users.  Just remember that many of them will move to the
other side over the next few years and be very glad you were able to
accommodate their new requirements.

 

Joe

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Miller
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:18 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

 

Joe,

 

I do agree that usage based billing is the way to go. However, when our
system was originally built 10 years ago, it was done so on the “unlimited”
platform. The customers that we have I believe will respond in a negative
way to the change. So how can we migrate a unlimited system to a UBB system
without for a better word, piss off the existing customer base. I have
thought about this for quite some time and the billing system I have in
place can handle running both at the same time. What would be a good price
point per gig of bandwidth? From looking at the current customer usage I
think using $1.00 per gig would be a good starting point for discussion.
Some customers will see a reduction in monthly cost while most will see an
increase in their monthly service. I can see how we can re coup the cost of
bandwidth a lot easier.

 

I would like to come up with an email  for my customers to ask them what
they think in regards to having virtually as much bandwidth as they can use
in exchange for billing for that usage. Basically, caped speed with flat
rate vs uncapped speed with metered rate.

 

I’m looking at expanding into a new area and using the UBB platform will be
a lot easier to start out with, but changing out the current customer base
to UBB will be a bigger pill to swallow. 

 

I think that this is a good discussion for a session in Vegas.

 

We have hundreds of companies that are members of WISPA, and I think with
enough minds on this that we can come up with a good solution for everyone.

 

Regards,

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

www.facebook.com/dslbyair

228-831-8881

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:17 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

 

I believe Fred to be correct.  Packages based on speed are not the answer.
We call our connection a “pipe”, so

Re: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single Nanostation + 5ft mast

[Joe Miller]

How about using a 5 gallon bucket and concrete a 5 ft pole into it. Lowes
bucket = $5.00, bag of concrete = $3.73, and a 1 ½ EMT conduit = $12.00. All
parts for less than $25.00

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joshua Zukerman
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single
Nanostation + 5ft mast

 

Hello list,

I am setting up a PtP link between two gas stations for a client. I am going
to be using two Nanostation M5 units going about 1/2mi diagonally across a
highway. I'd like to mount them to a 5ft mast then to a non-penetrating roof
mount, as the only place with clear line-of-sight is on the roof of both gas
stations. Flat roof without much of a lip to mount an antenna to. All of my
Google searches come up with much larger non-penetrating roof mounts, 3' or
wider, which are designed for much larger and taller masts. Also very
pricey, $150 or more each.

Does anyone make a small non-penetrating roof mount, say 2ft square out of
metal with an attachment to hold a 5ft mast or including a 5ft mast? Maybe a
single cinder/cement block to weigh it down would be all that is needed.
Won't ever need to go higher.

Or do you have another suggestion for mounting?

Thanks in advance,

Josh

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[WISPA] High gain antennas discovery tool

[Joe Miller]

Since this company is no longer in existence, does anyone still have the
discovery tool for their radios? I believe it is for the 8186 radios.

 

Regards,

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

228-831-8881

 

See us on facebook, www.facebook.com/dslbyair

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials

[Joe Miller]

I have both books: RouterOS by example, and Learn RouterOS

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials

On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 15:46 -0500, Blair Davis wrote:
 Learn RouterOS.

 By Dennis out at Link Technologies

A better book, IMO, is this one: 
http://www.amazon.com/RouterOS-by-Example-ebook/dp/B006U3MP7W for kindle and
http://www.learnmikrotik.com/index.php/get-the-book.html for the paper.

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* http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering *
* http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks  *
* http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!*
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials

[Joe Miller]

The first book I have found works really well for someone who doesn't know
Mikrotik at all. That is why I bought the book. Now that I have learned a
lot from the first book, I stumbed across the Learn RouterOS at the MUM in
New Orleans. I also talked with the author of the book Dennis Burgess. He
and Jim Patient are both on this list. They are a good group of guys.
Anyway, After having some knowledge with the first book, the second one got
me farther into the weeds on how things work.

 

Both books are good reads. Buy them both. You cannot go wrong.

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

www.facebook.com/dslbyair

228-831-8881

 

From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:17 PM
To: WISPA General List; Joe Miller
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials

 

What do you think about the latter?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 29, 2012 12:13 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote:

I have both books: RouterOS by example, and Learn RouterOS

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials

On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 15:46 -0500, Blair Davis wrote:
 Learn RouterOS.

 By Dennis out at Link Technologies

A better book, IMO, is this one:
http://www.amazon.com/RouterOS-by-Example-ebook/dp/B006U3MP7W for kindle and
http://www.learnmikrotik.com/index.php/get-the-book.html for the paper.

--

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* http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering *
* http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks  *
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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

[Joe Miller]

Charles,

 

Can you post it on the thread here? I’ve been waiting well over a week for a 
response from them.

 

Joe

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Spann, Chip
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

 

I have their entire US inventory KML just in case anyone needs a specific state 
but doesn't get an immediate response from their rep

Charles Spann

(270) 779-0448

{Sent from my iPhone}


On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

I just heard back from my rep.  Got the towers in Ohio in kml and Excel.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 9, 2012 7:52 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

I think they've had that for about a year now.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 7:41:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal




AT boasts a 4WISP program. Not sure what sparked it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 8, 2012 8:38 PM, Mike Lyon  mike.l...@gmail.com  wrote:




Did WISPA score a deal with them or something?


-mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 17:36, Joe Miller  joemiller...@cableone.net  wrote:







I called them last week…. Still waiting on a call back from them… L






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:31 PM
To: a...@afmug.com
Cc: WISPA General List ( wireless@wispa.org )
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal



I have my name in. Waiting on info from my rep.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Nov 8, 2012 8:27 PM, Gino Villarini  g...@aeronetpr.com  wrote:



Anyone has the details on this?



Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143


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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

[Joe Miller]

Rick,

 

I find it pretty odd that a company that was at the convention, which they paid 
money to be there would return calls from possible new clients. I’ve been 
waiting for a return call from a rep for about two weeks now. With the downturn 
on radio repeaters that are going away due to the new technologies that are out 
there, I would think that American Towers would consider us as a new “honey 
hole” for their lost revenue. They cannot be that busy to not call people back 
in a timely manner.

 

Just not getting the warn fuzzes here.

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

228-831-8881

 

From: Rick Harnish [mailto:rharn...@wispa.org] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:07 PM
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

 

I added Beth Powers to this list and the members list today.  We also scheduled 
a Webinar on December 12th.  It is found on the WISPA homepage calendar.  I 
doubt she will answer this until next week as she is running a marathon 
tomorrow in Florida.  Go Beth!

 

 http://my.wispa.org/event/view/profile/id/17217 American Tower 4WISP Program 
Webinar

12/12/2012 2:00 pm EST -
12/12/2012 3:00 pm EST
GoToWebinar

 

 

 http://www.wispa.org/where-there-is-a-wisp-there-is-a-way Where there is a 
Wisp, there is a way!

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org

adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Joe Miller
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:46 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

 

Charles,

 

Can you post it on the thread here? I’ve been waiting well over a week for a 
response from them.

 

Joe

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Spann, Chip
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

 

I have their entire US inventory KML just in case anyone needs a specific state 
but doesn't get an immediate response from their rep

Charles Spann

(270) 779-0448

{Sent from my iPhone}


On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

I just heard back from my rep.  Got the towers in Ohio in kml and Excel.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 9, 2012 7:52 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

I think they've had that for about a year now.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 7:41:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal




AT boasts a 4WISP program. Not sure what sparked it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 8, 2012 8:38 PM, Mike Lyon  mike.l...@gmail.com  wrote:




Did WISPA score a deal with them or something?


-mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 17:36, Joe Miller  joemiller...@cableone.net  wrote:







I called them last week…. Still waiting on a call back from them… L






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:31 PM
To: a...@afmug.com
Cc: WISPA General List ( wireless@wispa.org )
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal



I have my name in. Waiting on info from my rep.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Nov 8, 2012 8:27 PM, Gino Villarini  g...@aeronetpr.com  wrote:



Anyone has the details on this?



Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143


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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

[Joe Miller]

I called them last week.. Still waiting on a call back from them.L

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:31 PM
To: a...@afmug.com
Cc: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

 

I have my name in.  Waiting on info from my rep.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 8, 2012 8:27 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

Anyone has the details on this?

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

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Re: [WISPA] UC Berkeley study on WISPs

[Joe Cracchiolo]

I don't know what you looking for as far as statistical outcome with regards to 
the outage metrics, but with larger scale networks, there is always something 
down.  If you count downtime in minutes, then I would think you need to count 
uptime in minutes multiplied by the number of devices, passive and active.  
How do you expect to handle that in your report?

Joe

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Shaddi Hasan
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UC Berkeley study on WISPs


Thanks for the feedback Marlon; I'll try to clarify.

By outage, I mean any downtime anywhere in your network. So if a hypothetical 
power failure knocked out one customer for ten minutes, that would count as ten 
minutes of outage in my usage; likewise, if such an outage affected the whole 
network, it would still be ten minutes of outage. I am admittedly ignoring 
scale of outage, which I think is where the confusion stems from.

Secondly, on oversubscription, what I'm basically looking for is how much 
capacity have you sold to your customers versus how much you buy from upstream. 
So if you sell 100 10Mbps plans, your commit to your customers would be 1Gbps, 
regardless of what the service level objective on that service is (e.g., best 
effort, etc.)

Of course it is impossible to capture all the variety of operational realities 
that WISPs face in a single survey, hence the follow up interviews, which 
should help capture what the survey missed.

Thanks for bringing up these two very good points! I'd be very appreciative if 
others who felt the survey didn't accurately capture their experience would 
also get in touch.

Shaddi

sent from a phone
On Jun 1, 2012 9:52 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
I took the survey and a couple of things didn't quite fit for us.

On the outages.  We have a lot of tower sites and 4 different upstream
connections.  There is always some kind of trouble somewhere on the network.
But the whole network has almost never gone down and never for very long.

Power outages are rare and usually shorter than our batteries will hold us
online for.  Every few years a longer one hits us but we usually are able to
get generator power in place.

You also asked a question about how much internet we've sold to our
consumers.  I assume you are looking for over subscription numbers.

I wasn't sure how to answer that.  We sell a best effort service.  Our
customers aren't promised anything in excess of what our incoming capacity
is.  But often my network will deliver more capacity than we even have
coming into a community.  So the overall customer capacity is every high
above what our incoming capacity is.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
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To: r...@ashtonbrooke.commailto:r...@ashtonbrooke.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UC Berkeley study on WISPs


I'd be happy to do so; after I've compiled all the results I'll put
together a report to send out to WISPA.

Thanks!
Shaddi

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Brough Turner 
broughtur...@gmail.commailto:broughtur...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Hi Shaddi,

 As an additional inducement, you might offer to send copies of whatever
 paper or report comes out of your research. I know I'd be interested in
 reading such a report

 Thanks,

 Brough



 Brough Turner

 netBlazr Inc. - Free your Broadband!

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 On 5/30/12 12:15 PM, Shaddi Hasan wrote:

 tl;dr: Please take my survey about WISPs! It's quick and anonymous;
 you'll help science, and you might win a $100 Amazon gift card! SURVEY
 LINK --- http://tier.cs.berkeley.edu/drupal/wisp-study

 Hello!

 My name is Shaddi, and I'm a graduate student at UC Berkeley in the
 TIER research group (http://tier.cs.berkeley.edu).

 We're conducting a research study on the network management practices
 and challenges faced by WISPs. Our study's goal is to develop an
 understanding of the network management practices and challenges of
 WISPs in order to guide research towards making WISPs simpler to
 manage.

 Our study has two parts. The first is a survey (which should take
 about 5-10 minutes). Every question in our survey is optional, and
 best estimates are fine. After completing the survey, you may
 volunteer to participate in a completely optional follow-up phone
 interview, which should take 30-45 minutes.

 After completing the survey, you may provide your email address to be
 entered into a drawing for one of three $100 Amazon.com gift cards.
 Those who complete a follow-up interview will be entered into a
 separate drawing for one of two additional $100 Amazon.com gift cards.

 Here's what I promise:
 1) This survey is completely

Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit??

[Joe Miller]

I use themit works pretty well

Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
228-831-8881
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- Original Message - 
From: Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:52 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit??


I ran across a link to a company called Wireless Orbit. 
www.wirelessorbit.com

 I like the service features and all, but the site looks like it's
 been rather idle for a few years.  No action on the discussion
 groups, last posts a few years ago, very few posts, stuff like
 that.  Not to mention the site itself seems only partially complete.

 Is anyone familiar with these guys?

 Thanks.

 Rk

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Re: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters

[Joe Fiero]

Tim,

I have had 100% success by using a good quality shielded cable and following
a strict bonding regiment.  Bonding the antenna, radio, mast and cable to
the tower at the top is imperative, as is the same process at the bottom.
It's also important that the tower be bonded and that the bond is common
with that in the equipment room. Make sure the inside end of the cable is
bonded as well. In other words, there should be no difference in potential
between the ground in the equipment room, the tower or your equipment on the
tower.  You must carry that bonding through to the rack and equipment you
place in the room as well.  Also, be sure to use grounded cable on jumpers.
And the real trick is putting ferrite beads on both ends of the POE cable.

I had a site exhibiting between 50 and 70 percent packet loss between the
topside radio and the router in the room when initially installed.  The
installer never noticed there were two FM stations on the tower ( 55Kw and
30Kw ).  We even swapped radio equipment twice because he insisted there
were no transmitters in close proximity.  Once we discovered the FM
stations he did as I described above and we went immediately to 0% packet
loss from the router.

Joe


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Warnock
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:15 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters

Hi All,

I have a question as to how other operators are handling POE radio links and
high power FM transmitters.

We often see things like a radio will run errors or drop to 10mbps instead
of 100mbps until we find a good position on the tower that its happy with.
Once its happy we never have an issue again.

We've tried earthing, not earthing, STP, UTP. Nothing seems to definitively
solve the issue.

Does anyone have any advice they'd like to share? It would be muchly
appreciated.

Thanks
Tim

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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank

[Joe Fiero]

Used the original APC device for years.  I understand these to be identical.


Fast, cheap, easily replaceable and they work.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank

+1

We use these in all our tower sites.

Eric

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:22 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank

I'd install a small cabinet and use these

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=38

I would probably use the DIN rail mounts personally

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=39

Transtector makes one for Canopy only (at least that is what I
remember),
but is a major PITA to install.   

Daniel White


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 8:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank

We are adding a fairly large new tower to our network and it will be a
central hub.  I want to bring a number of STP cat-5 lines up the tower
in
advance.  Will likely be mix of Canopy and Ubiquiti gear on top.
At the base I would like terminate them all at a large surge arrestor
bank
before entering the cabinet or building.  We will initially have a
cabinet
and perhaps later a building.  Does anyone know of an outdoor surge
arrestor
I can put at the base of the tower that accommodates a number of cat-5
runs
neatly?  Something like the standard outdoor canopy surge arrestor
except
would protect 8+ cat-5 lines in a larger outdoor enclosure.  This would
also
serve as a termination point if we move from the cabinet to a building
in
the future.





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Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

[Joe Fiero]

Imagestream has been very good to us as well.  Every bit the Cisco
experience, but at a fraction of the cost.  Reliability has been excellent.
They hum along year after year.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

 

I have used Imagestream routers in what I would consider carrier
situations. Have had Imagestreams in VRRP running multiple BGP full feeds
and Gigs of traffic per second.  Not saying it's a do all solution, but is a
serious contender.  Add on top the fact you don't need $1000's of dollars a
year for smartnet I am happy.  Not saying it's your solution, but definitely
worth looking at.

 

Justin

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From: Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:05:10 -0400
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Cc: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

 

On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: 

I would like to ask for help of wireless community. 

We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know
technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and
7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their
price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core
router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations,
its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and
middle-price options.


It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required.  Can
you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run?

The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go
forward.  Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap.  From a new
device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for
smaller deployments.  a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and
firewall in hardware is hard to beat.  The new MX series can handle
80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco.  Junos is
amazing to work with compared to IOS too.

However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU
7750/7710 should be considered too.

I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier
contender.  As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed
out of an RFP I was forced into running.  It's a neat small office router,
but that's all.  

Again this is all my opinion :)

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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

[Joe Miller]

Can this script be made available for everyone?

Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
228-831-8881
www.dslbyair.com
- Original Message - 
From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should 
too.


 I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and 
 costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for 
 them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback 
 to them on their bandwidth consumption.

 Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a 
 Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client 
 when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of 
 the email to say.

 What did your letter say ?

 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700

I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of
the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these...

1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows
for more  costs more), or
2. change their behavior to not use so much
3. leave

I am implementing this now.  The letter went out on Friday to most
customers...

On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to
 continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet.

 Regards,

 Chuck


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
 wrote:

 Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them?  I suppose
 if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay
 more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to
 capitalize on something.

 Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from
 cable companies, for example.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.

 Regards,

 Chuck



 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com
 mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

  Robert
  up/down/aggregate
  103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB
 
  The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for
 4 megabits down.
 
  I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my
 previous email, but if
  anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps
 you are using I
  would greatly appreciate it.

 What is cost per megabit from your upstream?


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

[Joe Miller]

Thanks Josh...I think that this is what I'm looking for. Now to figure out how 
to get it loaded.
Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
228-831-8881
www.dslbyair.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 12:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.


  Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote:

Can this script be made available for everyone?

Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
228-831-8881
www.dslbyair.com

- Original Message -
From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should
too.



 I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and
 costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for
 them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback
 to them on their bandwidth consumption.

 Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a
 Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client
 when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of
 the email to say.

 What did your letter say ?

 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700

I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of
the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these...

1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows
for more  costs more), or
2. change their behavior to not use so much
3. leave

I am implementing this now.  The letter went out on Friday to most
customers...

On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to
 continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet.

 Regards,

 Chuck


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them?  I suppose
 if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay
 more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to
 capitalize on something.

 Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from
 cable companies, for example.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.

 Regards,

 Chuck



 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com
 mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

  Robert
  up/down/aggregate
  103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB
 
  The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for
 4 megabits down.
 
  I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my
 previous email, but if
  anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps
 you are using I
  would greatly appreciate it.

 What is cost per megabit from your upstream?


 

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Re: [WISPA] Electric Fence - Ethernet interference

[Joe Fiero]

Shielded cable will do wonders.  Be sure to ground only one side and
remember that ferrite beads are your friend.  I would place one on each
side.  

 

Joe

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Electric Fence - Ethernet interference

 

It's likely the fence power supply. Try putting it in a metal enclosure and
ground the enclosure.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:33 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Electric Fence - Ethernet interference

 

We have hopes for a new rooftop repeater just installed. However, after
installation we were seeing a lot of packet loss at the router of this
new install. There was no packet loss over the wireless link between
tower and new rooftop repeater.

We are using shielded Cat5e. As soon as I unplug the electric fence,
works perfectly. Our patch cables are not shielded so we are going to
try that today as well as other suggestions.

The equipment is all plugged into the same circuit in a barn and there
is no option for a separate circuit.

What are your suggestions and experience with this sort of problem.

Brand of Electric Fence Controller probably 20 years old:

AGWAY - Electric Fence Controller - Model 66B 15 Mile range


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Project Manager
Midcoast Internet Solutions
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Re: [WISPA] Remote monitoring/ remote reboot

[Joe Fiero]

To me as well.  Thanks,

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 5:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote monitoring/ remote reboot

 

I'd be interested in this. Please send some more info.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Remote monitoring/ remote reboot

 

Hello,

We've been working on building a remote monitoring/remote reboot board
for awhile now, mostly for internal use. It runs on 9.5-55v, so we are going
to be using it at some of our solar sites to monitor battery voltage and
send alerts if they aren't charging, as well as the capability to remotely
reboot radios. Oh, and it keeps track of temperature and turns a fan on if
it gets too warm/ sends alerts at high enough temps.

Anyway, we've got a couple out there, and we want to make another
fifteen. However, it looks like it'll be WAY cheaper if we order 100... so
we were wondering if anyone else would be interested in buying some. I think
it'll be around $100 in quantity. If anyone is interested, I can send the
data sheet and screencaps of the web interface. 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for VoIP Termination services.

[Joe Fiero]

 

 

 

We have been using VoX for several years.  They are a member.  Perfect dial
tone replacement product that works over our wireless networks.  

 

 

 

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
wrote:

E911 is typically done with the originating provider, but there are other
E911 companies.



-
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http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ 
 


On 1/9/2011 12:20 PM, Christopher Hair wrote: 

Any recommendations for providers that  offer VoIP Termination   E911.
Shopping around! 

 

Thanks in Advance

 

Chris

 

 

 
 
 


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[WISPA] Google buys NYC carrier hotel - 111 8th Ave.

[Joe Fiero]

While we struggle with neutrality issues, Google is buying up the Internet.

 

 

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/12/22/google-confirms-purch
ase-of-111-8th-avenue/

 

 

 




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[WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

[Joe Fiero]

It's good to see all our efforts pay off.

 

 

 

REUTERS  updated 2 minutes ago 2010-12-20T21:45:55 

WASHINGTON - The Federal Communications Commission is expected to adopt
Internet traffic rules on Tuesday that would ban the blocking of lawful
content, but allow high-speed Internet providers to manage their networks,
senior agency officials said Monday. 

Commissioners Michael Copps and Mignon Clyburn had expressed concerns with
the proposal laid out by FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski early this month,
but senior FCC officials said they had come to an agreement and are expected
to vote in favor of the rules. 

Genachowski proposed banning the blocking of lawful traffic but allowing
Internet providers to manage network congestion and charge consumers based
on Internet usage.

The rules would be more flexible for wireless broadband
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40756299/ns/technology_and_science-wireless/ ,
Genachowski said in a previous speech, acknowledging that wireless is at an
earlier stage of development than terrestrial Internet service.

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

[Joe Fiero]

Of course I agree that no regulation would be preferable, but when you see
the train coming and you know you can't stop it, you are glad to find that
you can lie between the tracks and let it pass over you.

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 7:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

 

No, we LOST.   You see, once they have the power, they have the power.It
is not a victory to be partially regulated, or to get partial exemption.  

 

I cannot imagine why industry is rolling over and playing dead for this.   

 

As far as I'm concerned it's come and arrest me, coppers and I will damn
well NOT comply.   

 

And if we all did that.  They'd just give up.   But we're too chicken to
stand up for ourselves, as a country, anymore, apparently.   I don't know
when people forgot that according to the Constitution, we tell the
government what to do and where to get off, not the other way around.   

 

 

 

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From: Joe Fiero mailto:joe1...@optonline.net  

Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 2:12 PM

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Subject: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

 

It's good to see all our efforts pay off.

 

 

 

REUTERS  updated 2 minutes ago 2010-12-20T21:45:55 

WASHINGTON - The Federal Communications Commission is expected to adopt
Internet traffic rules on Tuesday that would ban the blocking of lawful
content, but allow high-speed Internet providers to manage their networks,
senior agency officials said Monday. 

Commissioners Michael Copps and Mignon Clyburn had expressed concerns with
the proposal laid out by FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski early this month,
but senior FCC officials said they had come to an agreement and are expected
to vote in favor of the rules. 

Genachowski proposed banning the blocking of lawful traffic but allowing
Internet providers to manage network congestion and charge consumers based
on Internet usage.

The rules would be more flexible for wireless broadband
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40756299/ns/technology_and_science-wireless/ ,
Genachowski said in a previous speech, acknowledging that wireless is at an
earlier stage of development than terrestrial Internet service.

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Equipment - Tranzeo/Ubiquiti

[Joe Kelley]

Michael

What do you have and pricing?

Thanks

Joe Kelley

East Texas DSL
936-634-4375

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Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Equipment - Tranzeo/Ubiquiti

We've got an assortment of used Tranzeo CPQ's, Tranzeo 5A's, and 
Ubiquiti PS2/Nano2/Nano2 loco we'd like to sell. If anybody is 
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Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies

[Joe Laura]

If you have a good business plan your probably better off dealing with a 
local bank IMO. If you cant convince the bank your business plan is good 
then something might be wrong with your business plan. We do out of pocket 
now but several years ago after showing the bank our business plan they gave 
me whatever I wanted as long as I showed them my MRC. Joe Laura


- Original Message - 
From: David ad...@speedyquick.net
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies


 Both CTI and Boun at doubleradius can help get you with honest leasing
 companies.

 David
 



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Re: [WISPA] Vox voip

[Joe Fiero]

Jeremie,

Hit me off list or call me at your convenience.  


Joe
 
Joe Fiero
CEO
 
NuTel Broadband Corporation
769 Basque Way  Suite 650
Carson City, Nevada  89706
 
Direct-732-364-4161
 
joe.fi...@nutelbroadband.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 3:36 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Vox voip

Anyone use voxcorp for their voip and have a good billing solution.  
What we are doing now to bill is not practical.

Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

[Joe Miller]

Didn't you guys know that raising kids is a blood sport? You give murders 
the benefit of the doubt, not your kids.
Joe Miller
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- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids


Spoken like a man with no kids or in denial about what hellions he's got!
lol

Kids, especially teenagers, naturally trend toward pushing the limits.  All
kinds of limits.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids


Trust your kids and they will trust you back.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote:

 I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a
 workshop I was at recently.

 How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was
 discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those
 sorts of things.

 -Paul

 On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

  Hi All,
 
  Here's the scenario.  My kids are expressly forbidden from having email
  addresses outside my domain.  They are forbidden from having myspace,
  facebook etc. sites.
 
  If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on.
 
  If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can
  delete things from.
 
  I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that
 might
  bite them in the butt later.  The days of people eventually forgetting
 the
  stupidity of youth or passion are long gone.
 
  Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account.  He used a hotmail email
  address to get it.  He had permission to use neither of them.  I finally
  found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd
 been
  saying.  His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I
 got
  the password out of him and when I had time to check on it.  (I didn't
 know
  that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net
 and
  work on his page, talk to his friends etc.  deep sigh)
 
  So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the
 deleted
  information.  I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he
 had
  no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being
 hidden
  from me.  I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email
 address.
 
  They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue.
  However
  they flatly refused to provide me with any information!  They had NO
  proof of age etc. on the account.  Nothing to verify that the child was
 over
  18 etc.  And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account
  information!  go get it from your teen is basically what I was told.
 
  WTF is this???  Absolutly amazing.
 
  So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids
 these
  days?
 
  thanks
  marlon
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

[Joe Miller]

Use old CDs. Using fishing line tie them close to the antennas and let then 
hang and move in the wind. Birds not like the reflection of light.
Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
228-831-8881
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- Original Message - 
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:36 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods


 Birds suck.  Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything.  Tired 
 of coming home smelling of bird crap.  I prefer my usual stink.

 Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those 
 flying crap machines off the AP's?  i think of it everytime I climb a 
 grain leg but never do anything about it.  This is the year!

 Oh, and racoons.  One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. 
 Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step.  That 
 I can deal with, I have kids afterall.  But the birds just need to stop.

 Bob-


 
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP

[Joe Fiero]

Contact WISPA member - VoX Communications

Been using them for almost 3 years.  Excellent dial tone replacement
product.  Great margins, great order entry  support.

No issue whatsoever over our SkyPilot mesh networks.  Not a single voice
complaint.Wish I could say the same for the wireless gear ;)  

You need to do your own billing.  Hit me off list about that if you need
info on that.

www.voxcorp.net   Follow the wholesale link.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:33 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] VoIP

We'd like to start offering VoIP to our wireless customers, and we've taken
a look at a couple of packaged soultions like NetSapiens. What is everyone
else using? We'd like to start at a lower $$ than the $17,000 that we've
been hearing from the packaged deals.

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

[Joe Miller]

Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you 
have there.

Joe Miller
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- Original Message - 
From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today


Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms 
setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since 
the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be 
reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both 
directions.

This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56








 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94










On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

 ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ?

 Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a
 sports car with all flat tires :)

 There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the
 bad/defective units
 Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power,
 little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two
 chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal
 level or off by a couple of db's..

 Faisal.

 On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote:
 Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor
 performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having
 no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad
 radio(s)?

 On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com  wrote:

 Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you
 upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums.

 Regards
 Michael Baird

 I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working
 great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but
 poor signal, dropped packets,low throughput. Replacing them with
 regular units fix the issue. What gives?

 On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:


 After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets 
 and
 the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated
 antenna series.  We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of
 them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, 
 where
 distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. 
 We
 just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some
 short range backhauls.

 Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, 
 we
 set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected 
 at
 -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night.
 Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to
 install the other one.  It would not see or connect to the other Nano
 Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more
 generous 5.7/8 frequency range.  Gradually turning off the WDS, then 
 the
 WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary
 beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in 
 a
 pretty foul mood over the new gear.  I'm about to RMA all of it and go
 back to just bullets and Rockets.

 Forbes


 
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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

[Joe Miller]

I would be interested in IP Pay. I currently use Authorize.net because of 
Wireless Orbit. Will IP Pay work with Wireless Orbit?

Charles, Can you hit me off list about this?



- Original Message 
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 8:27:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

I think IP Pay queries the issuer to determine what the proper expiration 
date and updates it.  Maybe I'll get Charles over here to say what his 
service does.  ;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:14 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

 But the issue is that they may consider using an expired card as 
 fraudulent.
 Remember, each credit card transaction has a bunch or legal rules and
 regulations that come along with it. You know how it goes, do it right or 
 it
 may bite!

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

  And when the chargeback comes through, you fax them the copy of your
 internet service contract and their usage summary showing they owed and 
 paid
 for the bill as agreed.

 Travis
 Microserv


 RickG wrote:

 My banker buddy said its between you and your credit card processor but
 charging to an expired card could leave you open to a charge back. I 
 guess
 the safest thing to do is ask your processor. I did find the attached on
 Visa's website. -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Josh 
 Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



  Very confident that IPPay will accept past expiration dates as long none 
 of
 the other information was changed.  I read something about this recently
 but
 I can't seem to locate it.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com 
 rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:



  I'm speaking from experience :)
 Most credit cards expire in two years. So, you take their expiration date
 and add two years - wella, it works again!
 I dont know about other processors but authorize.net will not accept an
 expired date.
 -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Josh 
 Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



  I don't see how you can guess it.  You can have one card number not
 change but renew it's expiration date.  Also keep in mind you can
 continue charging without updating information for companies just like
 us.

 On 12/13/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:


  Quickbooks is great!

 Question though: I was told by my bank not to guess their new


  expiration


  date and that you need to get the it  directly from the customer or


  you


  are


  subject to dispute. True of false?
 -RickG

 On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net 
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:



  IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring


  out


  the


  right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we


  could.


  But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing


  system


  to


  integrate with them.
 We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood IPPay


  does


  not
 integrate with Quickbook's billing.

 PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still? Resistent


  to


  change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to


  change.


  Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net t...@ida.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors




  IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2


  business


  days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Robert West wrote:


  Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed


    to


  death


  with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work 
 withauthorize.net?



 Bob-







 Robert West

 Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

[Joe Miller]

Charles,

Matt from your company called me and will send me info on IP Pay. It looks like 
I may go this direction as long as wireless orbit works with it.

Joe



- Original Message 
From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 10:23:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

Hi Rick,

In the context of being an e-commerce merchant (e.g., someone who sells books, 
toys, things online), everything that you bank and Authorize.Net is telling you 
is true -- what's happening is that you are being lumped into the category of 
card-not-present credit card processing -- which is, not surprisingly, higher 
risk than card-present or swiped credit card processing.

As a result, there's an additional set of rules and regulations (and higher 
pricing) that applies to you

Now, I think everyone here would agree that the business of being a 
WISP/ISP/Telco is fundamentally different than that of an e-commerce shop -- 
specifically, our business is all about recurring revenue

Let's compare

Service Provider that bills 1,000 customers $50 / month vs. E-commerce shop 
that sells 1,000 customers something for $50 / month

Now, if you were to compare risk between the two -- as opposed to 100% 
card-not-present risk held by the E-commerce shop, the way to look at it from 
the service provider is that there's probably only 50 risky transactions 
(e.g., the new adds for the month), and the other 950 transactions were people 
that were billed the previous month (and probably have been customers for quite 
some time already).

Now, for a facilities-based provider (as opposed to a web-hosting or dial-up 
company), the risk is further mitigated by evidence of a truck roll (which, 
if you think about it, makes for basically a card-present transaction)

Taking these factors into account, Visa/Mastercard have created special 
programs for facilities-based providers

For example: Mastercard - 
http://www.mastercard.com/us/merchant/solutions/incentive_program.html

Billing Lost/Stolen/Expired Cards:
Visa: http://www.visadps.com/services/visa_account_updater.html
MasterCard: 
http://www.mastercard.com/us/wce/PDF/Billing%20Updater%20Brochure_10%2006.pdf

What other benefits are available from being in these programs?

1. Specialized telco industry rates for consumer billing (depending on card 
type / mix -- it comes out to generally 10-25% cheaper than e-commerce / 
card-not-present transactions)

2. The ability to legally bill through expired cards for recurring payment 
purposes

3. The ability to update card records to account for lost, stolen, reissued 
and expired cards

The up-front work (business process + software  systems integration) to 
getting qualified and working within these programs is pretty extensive, and 
as a result, the 2,000 or so small-to-medium sized service providers have too 
many other things on their plate to deal with this (trust me, big guys like 
Comcast and Verizon take full advantage of these programs).  What IP Pay has 
done is to invest ~2 years of RD and systems to the tune of ~$750k to build 
out systems so that we can help guys like yourself take advantage of 
preferential treatment normally reserved for the big guys.

-Charles


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

Because once expired, Visa or Mastercard no longer must honor it. If a
chargeback happens, they may consider using an expired card as fraudulent
and deny your claim. This is just my more cautious nature coming out here.
Maybe your processor says no big deal. For me, Authorize.net said dont do
it.
-RickG

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 I've seen that before, but that wasn't what I was looking for.

 Either way, a charge back can happen no matter what - why would the
 expiration be relevant?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

  My banker buddy said its between you and your credit card processor but
  charging to an expired card could leave you open to a charge back. I
 guess
  the safest thing to do is ask your processor. I did find the attached on
  Visa's website. -RickG
 
  On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
   Very confident that IPPay will accept past expiration dates as long
 none
  of
   the other information was changed.  I read something about this
 recently
   but
   I can't seem to locate it.
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   The secret to creativity is knowing

Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Joe Miller]

Butch,

You think that it could run on a PC with 2 NICS without an issue? That way the 
CPU usage can be a lot lower.



- Original Message 
From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 13:52 -0800, Gary Garrett wrote: 
 Yes, this is the answer I am looking for.
 Let me know when this is available / stable, 

It looks (so far) as though the system is performing VERY WELL.  Of the
ones that I have tested with, I have had very positive results.  One
thing to beware of is that this is not something that will run well on a
low end routerboard.  I have run it on RB600 with about 600 users behind
it, moving about 4k pps (aggregate) and it puts the cpu at 80-100%,
although it is still processing packets well, that is a pretty hard
limit for that platform.  I just installed one today on an RB1000 with
over 1500 users moving about 8k pps and it seems to run pretty well (cpu
hits as much as about 80%).  The 1500 user system is VERY congested, but
the initial impression of the system looks good. I need to evaluate more
data on these 2, which are the most critical tests so far, but both look
good in my initial evaluation and those of the network administrators.

 and you will soon become a rich man.

I'd like that VERY MUCH, but won't be holding my breath.  :-)

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Re: [WISPA] Reset StarOS

[Joe Laura]

Butch, Why dont you return my calls or emails??? Joe Laura/Superior
Wireless
- Original Message - 
From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Reset StarOS


 On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 14:41 -0500, Steve Barnes wrote:
  I am changing all my network out to Mikrotik and have 8
  various StarOS War1, War2, and Wrap boards that I plan to
  sell on Ebay.  I never really learned how to mess with
  these so is there a easy way to reset all these back to
  factory or do I have to do it one at a time with putty?
  And what is the best way to clear the compact flash on
  the Wrap boards.  With StarOS is there a easy way to do
  a lookup for them like you do on the Mikrotik's with the
   ... button on Winbox?

 StarOS used to have a utility called starutil if I recall correctly.
 This was a Linux based tool that would allow you to set up a text file
 to upload the firewall, cbq and other configuration sections from a
 linux command line.  I think they had a windows version as well, but I
 have not used StarOS in MANY years, so I don't know if this is even
 still around.

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Re: [WISPA] Reset StarOS

[Joe Laura]

Butch, I really need to get my radios back!!!Joe Laura/Superior
Wireless


- Original Message - 
From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Reset StarOS


 Butch, Why dont you return my calls or emails??? Joe
Laura/Superior
 Wireless
 - Original Message - 
 From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Reset StarOS


  On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 14:41 -0500, Steve Barnes wrote:
   I am changing all my network out to Mikrotik and have 8
   various StarOS War1, War2, and Wrap boards that I plan to
   sell on Ebay.  I never really learned how to mess with
   these so is there a easy way to reset all these back to
   factory or do I have to do it one at a time with putty?
   And what is the best way to clear the compact flash on
   the Wrap boards.  With StarOS is there a easy way to do
   a lookup for them like you do on the Mikrotik's with the
... button on Winbox?
 
  StarOS used to have a utility called starutil if I recall correctly.
  This was a Linux based tool that would allow you to set up a text file
  to upload the firewall, cbq and other configuration sections from a
  linux command line.  I think they had a windows version as well, but I
  have not used StarOS in MANY years, so I don't know if this is even
  still around.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

[Joe Miller]

Has anyone tried the Netgear GS108T? It is a fully managed switch that costs 
about $100.00 to $130.00. I buy mine from Staples. I'v had two of them in the 
field for over two years with no issues.



- Original Message 
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 6:42:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

There are several classes of VLAN switches.

I'll use SMC as an example...

1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very 
intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each 
port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their 
Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done. 
But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to 
configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They 
make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end 
location switches.

2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with 
VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual 
purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They 
lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or 
disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN 
functionality is enabled by making it aware.
It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because 
the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, 
but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as 
described in #2 above.
But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give 
them a step up over other basic web switch products.
Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF 
ports.

I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that 
had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be 
labled in software.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches


 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
 heat.

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 POB 875
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Joe Miller]

Make it a plug-n-play for us non Mikrotik people and I would say sold.



- Original Message 
From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 11:39:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 10:54 -0500, sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: 
 I looked at http://www.mikrotik.com/download/l7-protos.rsc but didnt find 
 anything existing for L7 and netflix. Does anyone have one they are using?

I don't think one exists.  It's one reason I'm working on the smart
QOS system.  It will react even when we encounter an unknown
protocol/service.  I've been packet sniffing all morning looking for
various streaming services.  Currently, I can accurately detect youtube
(and all other similar services), Hulu (a very easy one) and a few
others.  I did a test just a few minutes ago with my current
implementation.  Here's how it worked:

1. Set my bandwidth to 1M download speed (total_down_speed)
2. Guarantee speed of 768k for primary or normal traffic queues
3. Guarantee speed of 256k for secondary or bad traffic queues
4. Priority queues within each of those (priority1-priority8)
5. mangle rules do the following:
a. Set http to prio1_normal
b. watch http traffic for large downloads or streams
c. Set downloads 10M20M to prio4_normal after the first 10M has
downloaded (streams at the same point)
d. Set downloads 20M to prio1_bad 

In my test, I started 2 downloads and one stream (netflix, actually).
These 3 shared about equally 1M of bandwidth, with each getting around
300k (give or take a little).  After they reached the 10M download, they
were moved to pro4_normal.  When that happened, I started another
download, which took nearly all of the 1M available bandwidth (because
it was priority1).  The video stream was choking a little, but was
mostly working, the other downloads were the same (stop/go).  Once the
new download reached it's 10M plateau, it was sharing the 1M pipe with
the other 3 downloads and all got about 256k (the video was better).
When the video and other 2 downloads reached the 20M plateau, they were
moved (automatically) to the bad queues at priority1.  What that did
to my downloads was this:

1. The Prio1 queues in normal would allow me to surf like there was
nothing else going on.

2. My last download was getting 768k (the guarantee for normal queues)

3. My bad queues (the stream and the first 2 downloads) were sharing
the remaining 256k (guarantee for bad queues).

I was not specifically identifying netflix in my application, but it was
being caught by the large download queues.  I am still working out a
best practices approach to managing this traffic, but thought I would
share what I have so far.  What do you think of my results so far? 

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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Joe Miller]

I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything on 
the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of the 
data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part?



- Original Message 
From: Sales sa...@michianawireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ?

John Buwa
Michiana Wireless,Inc
574-233-7170
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  
wrote:

 Just confirmed with torch.

 Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp
 Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com  
 wrote:

 On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote:
 Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that
 even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been  
 getting
 some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the  
 day.
 I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin
 down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then  
 that
 is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming.

 Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is
 Macromedia Flash port.  They use primarily TCP.

 How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E
 curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing
 streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and  
 complaining
 about the slow Internet speeds.

 Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor
 priority than other traffic.

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 * http://www.butchevans.com/    * Network Engineering              *
 * http://www.wispa.org/        * Wired or Wireless Networks      *
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Joe Miller]

Is there a way to have MikroTik do nothing else but this?

Butch, can you answer this please?



- Original Message 
From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:41:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

This works quite well, we use it on lots of hotspot networks, we can identify 
streams by their amount of data transferred.  Once we go over 10-20 meg, we 
assume that's not that bursty traffic, so we lob it into a queue with other 
users.  THis prevents a large download from consuming massive amounts of 
resources.  

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
Author of Learn RouterOS


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:38 PM
To: Joe Miller; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

We are currently testing a Mikrotik based QOS setting to handle this, it 
basically examines port 80 traffic and divides in bursty short traffic (web 
browsing) and long continued traffic ( file transfers, streaming, p2p)

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Joe Miller
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything on 
the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of the 
data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part?



- Original Message 
From: Sales sa...@michianawireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ?

John Buwa
Michiana Wireless,Inc
574-233-7170
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  
wrote:

 Just confirmed with torch.

 Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp
 Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com  
 wrote:

 On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote:
 Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that
 even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been  
 getting
 some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the  
 day.
 I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin
 down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then  
 that
 is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming.

 Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is
 Macromedia Flash port.  They use primarily TCP.

 How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E
 curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing
 streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and  
 complaining
 about the slow Internet speeds.

 Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor
 priority than other traffic.

 --
 
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 * http://www.butchevans.com/    * Network Engineering              *
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Joe Miller]

Dennis,

Can the MikroTik router be used for just this purpose? I already have routers 
in place so I do not need the router function on these.



- Original Message 
From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 2:24:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

We are just creating a mangle the identifies large downloads,
connections over so much data.

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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
Author of Learn RouterOS


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with
network.

The problem I see is that general web traffic = Netflix traffic (on a
network level, it's all 80/tcp and HTTP).

You can very easily create burst queues for 80/tcp.

If you can some how mangle the traffic to/from Netflix you can easily
create
a queue for that too.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Dennis Burgess
dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote:

 sure, just match the data, you can either apply a TOS bit or just
queue it
 up right in that single unit ..  The data has to flow though it
though.

 ---
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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
 Author of Learn RouterOS


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Joe Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:00 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with
network.

 Is there a way to have MikroTik do nothing else but this?

 Butch, can you answer this please?



 - Original Message 
 From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:41:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with
network.

 This works quite well, we use it on lots of hotspot networks, we can
 identify streams by their amount of data transferred.  Once we go over
10-20
 meg, we assume that's not that bursty traffic, so we lob it into a
queue
 with other users.  THis prevents a large download from consuming
massive
 amounts of resources.

 ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
 Author of Learn RouterOS


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:38 PM
 To: Joe Miller; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with
network.

 We are currently testing a Mikrotik based QOS setting to handle this,
it
 basically examines port 80 traffic and divides in bursty short traffic
(web
 browsing) and long continued traffic ( file transfers, streaming, p2p)

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Joe Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:33 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with
network.

 I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there
anything
 on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the
Headers of
 the data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part?



 - Original Message 
 From: Sales sa...@michianawireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with
network.

 So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ?

 John Buwa
 Michiana Wireless,Inc
 574-233-7170
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

  Just confirmed with torch.
 
  Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp
  Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight

[WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Joe Miller]

Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even 
Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls 
lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched 
what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being 
used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of 
continued streaming. 

How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in 
place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the 
other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet 
speeds. 

Regards,


  



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Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5

[Joe Miller]

Charge them accordingly. Let the customer feel the pain of having the cable 
replaced. Maybe that will motivate the dog owner to take care of the problem 
himself.



- Original Message 
From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 9:13:58 AM
Subject: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5

I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going
from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times.



Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got
one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a
different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. 



I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog..



Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Joe Miller]

Or just block the port, lol.



- Original Message 
From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 12:26:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: 
 Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that 
 even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting 
 some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. 
 I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin 
 down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that 
 is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. 

Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is
Macromedia Flash port.  They use primarily TCP.

 How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E 
 curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing 
 streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining 
 about the slow Internet speeds. 

Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor
priority than other traffic.

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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Joe Miller]

thanks on the Hulu ports.now to figure out how to limit Netflix



- Original Message 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 12:32:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

Just confirmed with torch.

Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp
Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash)

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On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote:
  Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that
  even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting
  some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day.
  I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin
  down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that
  is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming.

 Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is
 Macromedia Flash port.  They use primarily TCP.

  How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E
  curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing
  streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining
  about the slow Internet speeds.

 Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor
 priority than other traffic.

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 * http://www.butchevans.com/    * Network Engineering              *
 * http://www.wispa.org/        * Wired or Wireless Networks      *
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Joe Miller]

I did that. I put that port on a low que so it doesn't create too much of a 
problem



- Original Message 
From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 1:08:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

Why block the port, just limit the ip/port to say 35 to 50 pps. He still
gets Hulu, and no real impact on your system.  Win  win

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:57 AM
To: Joe Miller; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

You know that would actually work.  If people can get to Hulu.com and the
videos have problems they would think Hulu is having a problem - not you.
After a few days of it working at the office and not working at home,
though, they may get curious.

I also believe that Hulu's flash player would come up with a complaint
saying it couldn't connect.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

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On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Or just block the port, lol.



 - Original Message 
 From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 12:26:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

 On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote:
  Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that
  even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting
  some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day.
  I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin
  down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that
  is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming.

 Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is
 Macromedia Flash port.  They use primarily TCP.

  How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E
  curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing
  streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining
  about the slow Internet speeds.

 Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor
 priority than other traffic.

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Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Joe Miller]

Eric,

What type of appliance are you using to meter this usage? I have the same 
problem here.

Joe



- Original Message 
From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 6:56:03 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing

We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing structure
with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they
get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and I don't
want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I think
they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a month, when
the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding
the network.



Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your
customers responses?

What are your tiers?

Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?



We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out the
letter saying we are doing it and why.



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Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni

[Joe Miller]

I have some slightly used 15dB omni's if you need any.



- Original Message 
From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 7:55:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni

MTI

-Cameron

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni

I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some 
recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any.

Regards
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Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni

[Joe Miller]

I also have a box load of maxrad 9dB omni antennas if anyone needs them.



- Original Message 
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 8:48:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni

Yeah.  I don't use any omni's over 8 or 9 dB.  Well, I guess I have one 10 
out there, but I keep taking it out

The ONLY time I've suggested people use higher gain ones is when they are on 
a rooftop that's the same height as everyone else or down in a valley with 
customers up the sides.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni


 I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni


I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some
 recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any.

 Regards
 Michael Baird


 
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Re: [WISPA] juniper

[Joe Fiero]

We have 7 IS routers and they have been the only component in our systems to
deliver 100%, 100% of the time.  Even survived a siye-killing tower hit by
lightning that took out everything else and fried the Cat-5 coming down the
tower.  Components were toasted on both sides of the IS an it was untouched.
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] juniper

You might want to look at ImageStream as well.

jp wrote:
 Anyone use their routers? I'm wondering if they overstate their 
 performance greatly or if they are conservative in their promises.

 I'm considering using one to replace an aging Cisco. The Cisco has 
 been reliable, but it's running out of steam with 150mbit going 
 through it pretty steady, and low on memory for more BGP. Mikrotik I 
 love, but I don't trust their BGP and software feature testing in new 
 software releases for something this important.

 This Juniper is about $3k and has pretty nice specs.
 http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/j-series/j2350/



   
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Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

[Joe Miller]

Looks like Acorn is trying to get in on this as well. 





From: CBB - Jay Fuller wispagra...@cyberbroadband.net
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List btop-...@wispa.org; 
WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Cc: WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List btop-...@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:51:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Btop-bip] [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online


 
Do we have time to read all this? :)
I agree, some seem far fetched.

- Original Message - 
From: St. Louis Broadband 
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Cc: 'WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List' 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Btop-bip] [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

They will show most of it when they post the Executive Summaries...maybe, at
least ours does,

Victoria

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

I'd like to see the actual content of the applications

Some of them seem quite far fetched. Others seem like plans I'd like to 
know more about.

On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 05:34:18PM -0400, Kevin Suitor wrote:
 http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/applications/search.cfm
 
 
 
 
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 Kevin Suitor
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

[Joe Miller]

I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP



- Original Message 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

Wait what application are we even trying to solve...

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM, dco...@infowest.com wrote:

 Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy?  ;)



 -Original Message-

 From:  3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net
 Subj:  Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
 Date:  Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am
 Size:  2K
 To:  'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' 
 wireless@wispa.org

 Canopy :-D

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Joe Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
 
 No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will
 do 5.3 Ghz PTMP?
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
 
 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com:
  Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries
 PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line.
 
 Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty
 half baked at this time.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] solar site

[Joe Laura]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CIADLG?ie=UTF8tag=remyfu-20linkCode=as2camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=B000CIADLG
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From: Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com
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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site



 Home depot's site.  go figure.  $329 a Solar Back Up Kit (as they call
 it.)  60 Watts.  $329


http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051langId=-1catalogId=10053productId=100658288






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[WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

[Joe Miller]

Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP 
radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line.


  



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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

[Joe Miller]

No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 
Ghz PTMP?



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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed

2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com:
 Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP 
 radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line.

Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty
half baked at this time.



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Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings

[Joe Laura]

I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a
goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started
firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service.
How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura




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Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss

[Joe Miller]

Cliff,

What type of radio are you using? I have a 19.2 link over here in Gulfport and 
it has been rock solid. I'm using 3ft dishes too.

Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
228-238-2563
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- Original Message 
From: Cliff Leboeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.com
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Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:21:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss

One is about 18 miles, the other is just over 20 miles.
- Cliff


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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss

We're still guessing here.  He's never told us how LONG the links are.
If 
they are 10 miles apart it's probably not ducting.

marlon

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Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss


 The way I understand it, and have worked to my advantage as a ham, is
 the layers stratify at fairly definite borders in tropospheric
 ducting.  The layer works more like a duct with a mirror like
 top.  The signals can be repeatedly reflected back down into the
duct.

 I did some experiments during one tropo opening using some long
 circular polarized yagis at both vhf and uhf.  The signals appear to
 become more randomly polarized as the distance in the duct
 increases.  The signals coming from areas around the Gulf coming into
 SW Fl during the events had components of both vertical and
 horizontal polarization.

 Refraction is the deflection of a wave on passing obliquely from one
 transparent medium into a second medium in which its speed is
different.

 So, both upon entering and leaving the duct the signal can also be
 subject to refraction?  Not sure.

 Mike


 At 10:52 AM 8/9/2009, you wrote:
That is correct. So my next question: Can refraction be caused by
thermal ducting? -RickG







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Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss

[Joe Miller]

Ed,

Are these PTP or PTMP links? I have a couple of my PTP links do this also. 
Mainly around the Mobile county AL area. It appears that the noise floor 
increases at night. The two common things between our areas is that it is a 
coastal area and close to the oil and gas fields.

Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
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- Original Message 
From: Ed Spoon - Computer Sales  Services, Inc. ed.sp...@cssla.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:33:37 PM
Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss

So, what causes this crazy loss on all of my 'longer' 5.8 links after
dark/overnight? Temp drop? Contraction? Condensation? Moonbeams?

More importantly, is there anything I can do about it? Anyone else dealing
with it?

Links are N-S, E-W and NE-SW, different brands radios, but all in the ISM
5.8 spectrum. Can start as early as 8pm but usually after midnight. Goes
until the suns been up 1 to 3 hours. Doesn't happen every day, but seems to
be predominant in the summer when we get over 90 degrees with 90% humidity
and then the afternoon/evening rain from the buildup. I see it happening to
short links also, just doesn't get bad enough to drop.


Ideas?[image: 2009-08-07_221007.jpg]


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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Relay Control (Scada?)

[Joe Miller]

How about this? http://www.controlbyweb.com/webrelay/ I've used these before 
and it works pretty well. If you use 2 of them together, you do not need to use 
a computer.



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Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 10:57:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Relay Control (Scada?)

Jeremy,  could the small digitallogger power controller do it?

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Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Relay Control (Scada?)

I have a project that requires turning a remote relay on and off, over
the distance of about a mile. I'd like dry contacts at either end.
Would a SCADA product do this? No need for anything serial or
ethernet, just need to switch a relay on and off.




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Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Radios on Network

[Joe Laura]

Try PRTG. www.paessler.com It just takes a sec to download it for free and
you can add one or two radios. I monitor B/W on over 100 CPE's. Joe Laura
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Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:23 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Monitoring Radios on Network


 Hi Boys and Girls

 If anyone has a solution they are using to monitor Proxim 5054 radios
other
 than Proxim Vision please let me know.

 I am looking to monitor RSL, uptime, and anything else without choking the
 crap out of my networks.

 I know I had talked with someone from one of the lists before but lost
that
 info.

 I am looking for a system that is doing this.  Not a system that SHOULD
do
 it.  Worked with enough of those already.  :-)

 Tnx.

 Offlist if you want.

 Bob





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 Lakeland Communications, Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of partnerships...

[Joe Miller]

Vicki,

I'm in south MS. hit me off list. 

joe dot miller at dslbyair dot com

www.dslbyair.com



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Subject: [WISPA] speaking of partnerships...

We're currently looking for wireless companies in and around southern
Mississippi that would be interested in a partnership. I'm also
interested in hearing from anyone in west and south Alabama for a
potential project.



If this is you, or you know a WISP that is interested, please email or
call me ASAP so we can get together on this.



Thanks!



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Re: [WISPA] Default a AN80i?

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Does anyone know how to default an AN80i Redline? Joe Laura
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Re: [WISPA] Default a AN80i?

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Couldnt get to that link. Says Your support portal session has expired
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http://supportcenteronline.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=377fieldOffset=14hitOffset=709+20+

 Joe Laura wrote:
  Does anyone know how to default an AN80i Redline? Joe Laura
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Re: [WISPA] Default a AN80i?

[Joe Laura]

Wow, Thanks! I cant thank you enough! Joe



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