Re: [WISPA] Ping monitoring?

2017-01-20 Thread John Thomas
PRTG?
 
- Original Message - Subject: [WISPA] Ping monitoring?
From: "Jon Langeler" 
Date: 1/18/17 6:35 pm
To: a...@afmug.com

I can't get smokeping to send a ping say every second and only one each time. 
Any alternatives or suggestions? 
 
 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Technologies, Inc.
 
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[WISPA] Renton WA - Looking for service

2016-12-14 Thread John Thomas
I'm looking for service
 
600 Powell Ave SW
Renton WA 98057
 
need 13 Static IP addresses
5 Megabits symmetric bandwidth
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[WISPA] Looking for service

2014-11-14 Thread John Thomas
Looking for 10 meg 

1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
Manteca, CA 95337

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Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

2014-11-13 Thread John Thomas
You have the right idea. It is only when you increase power on both ends that 
the distance increases.

Tablets in particular only have about 10 - 15 mW radios so that is the lowest 
common denominator. If you have radios with removable antennas, you can 
sometimes use different antennas to improve your coverage.

I found some dual band omnis for like $8 each that were rated 7 dB. I'm seeing 
a 9 dB improvement on 2.4 GHz, but only about 3 dB on 5 GHz.

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone serving Pompey NY? PR for WISPA

2014-11-08 Thread John Thomas
And I know someone in San Ramon that the business complex is across the street 
from Comcast. They want $10,000 to cross the street.

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Re: [WISPA] security certificate

2014-10-20 Thread John Thomas
If you use Exchange 2007 or newer, you can change the internal dns name in your 
send and receive connectors to match the cert.

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Re: [WISPA] security certificate

2014-10-19 Thread John Thomas
Or you can buy a wildcard for a few hundred dollars and use it on all your 
devices.

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Re: [WISPA] security certificate

2014-10-19 Thread John Thomas
http://www.netcentraldomains.com

$209 per year.

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Re: [WISPA] Commission Sales

2014-07-03 Thread John Thomas
Normally sales people will work off a base + commission. Sometimes the base is 
a draw, or partial commission in advance.

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Re: [WISPA] Need 50Mb highly symmetrical service in Dallas, Texas

2014-05-29 Thread John Thomas


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Re: [WISPA] Need 50Mb highly symmetrical service in Dallas, Texas

2014-05-29 Thread John Thomas
Do you have a tower that can service Plano?

Looking for 10 meg/10 meg IP v4, IP v6, BGP.

I checked with every other wireless provider in the area, and no one does IP 
v6, and most can't do BGP.

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Re: [WISPA] package ideas

2014-05-07 Thread John Thomas
My suggestion was only relative to your current pricing. 

For reference, ATT UVerse in my area is $34.95 for 6 Meg down, and 768 k up, 
and when you go past 150 gigs in a month, it's $10 for each 50 gigs. Charter is 
bragging about 30 megs down, and 4 megs up, capped at 250 gig ( I think) for 
$29.95 (12 month promo), however, they have it oversubscribed so bad I have run 
speed tests to Charters speedtest server and got 30 kilobits per second 
down-not a good way to impress a $100 per month Business class customer.

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Re: [WISPA] package ideas

2014-05-06 Thread John Thomas
How about adding 5 Meg at $79, then 10 Meg at $109?

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Re: [WISPA] pay per use billing

2014-05-06 Thread John Thomas
How about tiering? If you have the infrastructure for it, 2 megabits limited to 
50 gig, and then it slows down to 128 k for the rest of the month.

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Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage

2014-02-18 Thread John Thomas





Netflix at 480p does about 3 to 5 megabits per second.
That upstream number looks high for Netflix.
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On February 18, 2014 9:51:51 AM
~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote:
I
have a customer that has used 19 GBytes down and 9 GBytes up in the last 
18 hours.

What does a smart TV use?

What can theybe doing?

NGL


  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

2014-02-10 Thread John Thomas

Interesting statement regarding Cisco.
They sell $3000 per unit mesh equipment whose range would be hurt if power 
limits were dropped.


John

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On February 10, 2014 6:15:22 AM Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:


Blair Davis wrote,

 I just went and read a bunch of  the comments on the proceeding...
 
  I didn't read them all, but I didn't find one in favor of the lower
antenna gain...
 
  Has anyone else?


Motorola Solutions, makers of $6000 police walkie-talkies, explicitly 
supports the lower gain limit.


Cisco also supports the lower power rule. They only make local access 
points, after all, and are buddy-buddy with the Bells.


We should keep that in mind when making our purchase decisions.

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

2013-11-16 Thread John Thomas

Hey Ubiquiti, here is an idea for a new product... :-)

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On November 15, 2013 6:51:00 AM Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote:

http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio

$5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch!


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber
 built out



 Gino A. Villarini

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 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Zach Mann
 *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.



 It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity
 of the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi to
 existing clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading
 802.11u



 On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 wrote:

 That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.

 What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312


 On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
  He's talking about these... (see attached)
 
 
  On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo

  sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote:
 
  I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
  the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
  the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
 
  Scott Carullo
  Technical Operations
  855-FLSPEED x102
 
 
 

 
 
  *From*: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
  mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
  *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
  *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless@wispa.org
  *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

 
  One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
  free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
  indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
  source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
  laws of physics work in your favor.
 
  Thank You,
 
  Brian Webster
 

  www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com
 
  www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com
 
  *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
  *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
  *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
  mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

 
  Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
  we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
  me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
  there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
  (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
  its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
  the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always
 do.
 
  I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
  will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
  compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
  drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
  knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to
 them
 
  Scott Carullo
  Technical Operations
  855-FLSPEED x102
 

 
 
 
  *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
  mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
  *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
  *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
  sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com,
  WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 
  *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless@wispa.org
  *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

 
  Are you seeing any impact from them?
 
 
  On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo

  sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
 wrote:
 
  Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street
  corner.  Already seeing that in our areas  do 

Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

2013-09-28 Thread John Thomas
Joe, for 1 reason, you have the fact that others are already doing it. My ATT 
6 meg / 768 k circuit started out at unmetered for $19.99 per month. Then it 
went to 29.99 per month. Then came the 150 gig cap and $ 10 per each additional 
50 gigs, then the base rate went to $34.95, and with my overages (Netflix) I 
ended up paying $55 per month. I started shopping, and Charter cable does the 
same cap, but no overage, they reserve the right to up your tier or cancel your 
service. I ended up going Charter small business with 20 meg down and 3 meg up 
advertised, and 5 static IPs with no caps for $ 99.00 per month.

Are your clients going to push back? Yes, some of them will. Are some of them 
going to cancel service? Same answer.You just need to figure out the best way 
to get from here to there.

 John

Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote:
Joe,

 

I do agree that usage based billing is the way to go. However, when our
system was originally built 10 years ago, it was done so on the
“unlimited”
platform. The customers that we have I believe will respond in a
negative
way to the change. So how can we migrate a unlimited system to a UBB
system
without for a better word, piss off the existing customer base. I have
thought about this for quite some time and the billing system I have in
place can handle running both at the same time. What would be a good
price
point per gig of bandwidth? From looking at the current customer usage
I
think using $1.00 per gig would be a good starting point for
discussion.
Some customers will see a reduction in monthly cost while most will see
an
increase in their monthly service. I can see how we can re coup the
cost of
bandwidth a lot easier.

 

I would like to come up with an email  for my customers to ask them
what
they think in regards to having virtually as much bandwidth as they can
use
in exchange for billing for that usage. Basically, caped speed with
flat
rate vs uncapped speed with metered rate.

 

I’m looking at expanding into a new area and using the UBB platform
will be
a lot easier to start out with, but changing out the current customer
base
to UBB will be a bigger pill to swallow. 

 

I think that this is a good discussion for a session in Vegas.

 

We have hundreds of companies that are members of WISPA, and I think
with
enough minds on this that we can come up with a good solution for
everyone.

 

Regards,

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

www.facebook.com/dslbyair

228-831-8881

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:17 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

 

I believe Fred to be correct.  Packages based on speed are not the
answer.
We call our connection a “pipe”, so let’s use a related analogy;

 

You can have two homes with water service.  One is an older home that
has a
½ inch water main, the other is new construction and has a 1 inch
service
main.  

 

House number 1 has the original fixtures, so the toilet uses 6 gallons
per
flush, the shower flow is 7 gallons per minute and the clothes washer
uses
40-55 gallons per load.

 

House number two, being built under new codes that promote conservation
has
a low flow toilet that will use 1.6 – 2 gallons per flush, a low flow
shower
head that restricts flow to 2.5 gallons per minute and a new clothes
washer
that uses 20 gallons per load.

 

With a family of 5 in each house, it’s easy to see that , despite the
smaller service pipe, that house number 1 will have many times the
water
usage as house number 2.  A smaller pipe did nothing to control the
flow
because the flow limit of the pipe was not reached.  

 

Those two pipes are exactly like a 3 meg and 5 meg Internet connection.
Within reason, the size of the pipe will do little to limit heavy
bandwidth
usage.  It only serves to spread it out, creating a longer period of
time
that it puts a demand on our networks.

 

Like most,  we saw our network performance begin to deteriorate as
Netflix
switched from a physical to a digital delivery system.  The others
since
then have continued to slow our once speedy connections.  Now we, as an
industry, are faced with a continued rebuild to meet a voracious demand
for
bandwidth to deliver content that we never intended, or anticipated. 
Worse
yet, we are being positioned to provide these improvements to support
the
business model of companies that barely acknowledge our existence.

 

And they are getting smarter in their use of our pipes.  There was a
time
when if you didn’t have a good 4.5 meg flow, Netflix would not stream. 
They
have gone to much more advanced encoding that will adjust to feeds of
less
than 2 megs, rendering a 3 meg rate limit useless in defending against
them.

 

The issue of Net Neutrality somehow became synonymous with no caps.  It
appears we are the only service that is viewed by consumers and
governments
that should be given away.  Services like water, 

Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

2013-09-28 Thread John Thomas
Also, if your billing systems allow for it, you probably want 3 tiers, minimal 
users, average users, and streaming users.

John

Joe Fiero joe1...@optonline.net wrote:
Joe, 

 

I too built up on an open usage platform and yes, when the subscribers
logged into their PowerCode portals and viewed usage charts I got
plenty of
calls.  We have not yet implemented metered billing because the pipe is
still not capable of delivery, but soon.

 

What I told the concerned callers was pretty much what I explained
previously, that a small percentage of subscribers are utilizing the
majority of the system’s resources and that it was effecting  everyone.
 I
went on to explain how the goal was to charge those that use more
services
for their usage, and assure resources remain available for low volume
users.
I also add that based on FCC regulations I can not restrict any
specific
type of traffic, so this is the only fair way to assure everyone gets
what
they want.  

 

I tell them that our pricing model will not change cost to about 80% of
our
subscribers, and the other 20% will see increases based on actual
usage.
Many are fearful because they see the abusive rates charged by cellular
carriers for small packages and immediately thing we are going to start
hammering them for $150 per month.  Like much of what I have read here,
I
too am looking at about 30-50 GB of transfer as a base with a small per
GB
cost.  

 

The real value to the upgrade for me will be once we demonstrate we can
deliver a solid stream that people that are trying to pull multiple
streams
will have the option to doing so by upgrading to a higher bandwidth
package.
And that is the point I was making before, that the amount of transfer
has
little to do with the pipe size, but that size does impact the
subscriber’s
ability to have concurrent streams.

 

So we are really focusing on three things; first, we are separating the
basic and power subscribers, then we are offering those power
subscribers
the option to get whatever they want, providing they are paying for it.
Sure a few will be pissed because they have this entitlement to
unlimited
service.  Tell them you will start the day the power and gas company
remove
their meters.

 

In the long run, the decisions made will provide maximum benefit to all
subscribers.  Perhaps we will see a few that refuse to pay and leave,
but we
will increase significantly as word gets out about our new
capabilities.
Remember, all those smart televisions need a pipe to connect to these
streaming services.  And that is the simplest answer, your changes in
billing are to accommodate a market that did not exist when you
deployed.
When you and I put our systems in place Netflix was not streaming.  So
we
absolutely must accommodate these new high demand users, while
acknowledging
the long time basic users.  Just remember that many of them will move
to the
other side over the next few years and be very glad you were able to
accommodate their new requirements.

 

Joe

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Miller
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:18 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] packaging suggestions

 

Joe,

 

I do agree that usage based billing is the way to go. However, when our
system was originally built 10 years ago, it was done so on the
“unlimited”
platform. The customers that we have I believe will respond in a
negative
way to the change. So how can we migrate a unlimited system to a UBB
system
without for a better word, piss off the existing customer base. I have
thought about this for quite some time and the billing system I have in
place can handle running both at the same time. What would be a good
price
point per gig of bandwidth? From looking at the current customer usage
I
think using $1.00 per gig would be a good starting point for
discussion.
Some customers will see a reduction in monthly cost while most will see
an
increase in their monthly service. I can see how we can re coup the
cost of
bandwidth a lot easier.

 

I would like to come up with an email  for my customers to ask them
what
they think in regards to having virtually as much bandwidth as they can
use
in exchange for billing for that usage. Basically, caped speed with
flat
rate vs uncapped speed with metered rate.

 

I’m looking at expanding into a new area and using the UBB platform
will be
a lot easier to start out with, but changing out the current customer
base
to UBB will be a bigger pill to swallow. 

 

I think that this is a good discussion for a session in Vegas.

 

We have hundreds of companies that are members of WISPA, and I think
with
enough minds on this that we can come up with a good solution for
everyone.

 

Regards,

 

Joe Miller

www.dslbyair.com

www.facebook.com/dslbyair

228-831-8881

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:17 AM
To: 'WISPA 

Re: [WISPA] 802.11 and roaming

2013-09-08 Thread John Thomas
It sounds like you didn't try Cisco CAPWAP controller based APs. You have very 
fine control of how they roam.

John

Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
I've tried MikroTik.

I've tried Cisco.

I've tried UniFi.

I pretty much don't think there is a working way to roam from AP to AP
with 802.11 in an open system.

The client holds on to the weak AP long after there are stronger AP's
to talk to.

I think this is just the way it works.

Now, we are giving each AP a unique ESSID but keeping them bridged on
the wired side and requiring the user to change the connection when out
of range...

Not the best answer, but it works much better for the clients who don't
move much...  I'd love a better answer...

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Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC 



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Re: [WISPA] ConnectEd

2013-08-28 Thread John Thomas
Unfortunately, pricing is all over the board, and there are schools that are 
buying 100 meg circuits. In CA Comcast territory, they offer 100 meg by 10 ( or 
20 ) for about $399 per month. Now, we all know that Comcast cherry picks where 
they provide service, so there are those that are a block away from Comcast 
facilities that have been quoted $10,000 or more to get connected.

In Oakland CA, there is a wireless provider that is doing 25 meg / 25 meg at 
$375 per month. In San Francisco Monkey brains is doing something similar.

John

Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com wrote:
It will be an interesting discussion for sure.  We currently have
service built to many schools, most with the capacity to provide 100 +
megs.  Most schools are purchasing somewhere in the 5 – 20meg range as
that is what they can afford, including their current subsidy from
E-Rate.  We are providing service to rural schools and they just can’t
afford more.  Not sure how the FCC feels these schools will be able to
afford 100+ meg connections and beyond that, where does the money come
from to continue to fund E-Rate with what are sure to be large
increased demands on the funding to support these larger pipes.

Kevin


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ConnectEd

I think so. I asked the same question a few weeks ago and the response
was something to the effect of, Is this something WISPA members want
to respond to? The response seemed to be a resounding yes.

Now I just hope that it's something that we can get a piece of vs.
telling them to not do it.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.commailto:ko...@fsr.com
To: WISPA General List
wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:42:13 PM
Subject: [WISPA] ConnectEd
Do we know if WISPA as an organization is currently reviewing or plans
to review/make comments to the NPRM for the revisions to the E-Rate
program.  Is WISPA following the discussions concerning the Federal
ConnectED program that wants to see a minimum connection standard to
all schools and libraries of 100 megs with a 5 year goal of having
access to 1 gig of available bandwidth for all schools and libraries?

thanks,

Kevin Owen
First Step Internet, LLC

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Re: [WISPA] Goodbye to Whitespace for WISP's uses?

2012-09-29 Thread John Thomas
What is really sad is that they could license lite, for a couple hundred 
dollars a year, spectrum to several thousand wisps and end up with the same $ 
as selling it to the big boys that would just end up camping on it.

John

Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote:

Sorry John, this should have been directed @ Tim.  
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Doug Clark
Date: 9/29/2012 7:43:43 AM
To: j...@mvn.net;  WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Goodbye to Whitespace for WISP's uses?
 
John, What delusional world are you living in to think that our
government
ever had the publics best interest at heart?  I wished it was so, but
the
reality is simply
that the government will go down the road making mistake after mistake
and
giving in to Large Corporations that support them personally
financially.
What is best for the American public is Z on the list of almost every
member that is in a position to shape the future and especially last on
the
list for this
administration!  We will be lucky to have a couple of frequencies with
heavy
handed rules in place to use them.. 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: John Scrivner
Date: 9/28/2012 8:14:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Goodbye to Whitespace for WISP's uses?
 
The auctioning of SOME of the TVWS was set in stone by the FCC
broadband
plan and I by legislative mandate. There was a push by House
Republicans to
sell off ALL the TVWS to the highest bidders, leaving ZERO for
unlicensed
use. The Democratic controlled Senate prevailed and held strong to
allowing
a mix of incentive auctioned and unlicensed use of the TVWS. Having
some
beats having none.  
Scriv


 
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com
wrote:

Hey Guys
I just seen this article and I just wanted to pass it along:
http://news
cnet
com/8301-13578_3-57522584-38/fcc-kicks-off-effort-to-reclaim-tv-spectrum-for-
ireless/
 
Wanted to get your thoughts?
 
My thoughts is that all mobile carriers will buy all the whitespaces
before
we “WISP’s” even get to get play in the whitespaces.
 
Tim

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Re: [WISPA] Cogent?

2012-09-24 Thread John Thomas
That statement alone sys a lot. We have a client with an MPLS network at 
Megapath- they don't do BGP. :-(

Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote:

No problems and their 1st level tech support actually have a clue about

BGP.

On 09/24/2012 06:46 PM, Victoria Proffer wrote:
 Love them~

 Victoria Proffer
 President/CEO
 314-974-5600
 St. Louis Broadband, LLC
 www. StLouisBroadband.com

 -Original Message-
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On
 Behalf Of Adam Greene
 Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Cogent?

 Hi all,

 Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet
pipe.
 Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally
positive
 or negative?

 Thanks,
 Adam
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Re: [WISPA] Can they really do this?

2012-09-22 Thread John Thomas
Ciscos wireless LAN controllers can do this. From the web page at

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6366/products_qanda_item09186a008064a991.shtml

Q. What is a Rogue AP? Can the rogue APs in my wireless network be 
automatically blocked?

A. APs that are not part of your wireless deployment are called rogue APs. It 
can be either an autonomous AP or Lightweight AP that happens to be in the 
range of authorized APs. Rogue APs cannot be automatically blocked. This must 
be done manually. The reason for this is that, when a rogue AP is found, the 
finding AP disassociates the clients of the rogue AP, which causes denial of 
service to the clients. This can cause legal issues if the AP of the neighbor 
is detected as a rogue, and its clients are denied service. For more 
information on how rogue APs are detected by the WLC, refer to the document 
Rogue Detection under Unified Wireless Networks.

Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

There's a current debate raging right now on the NANOG list about the
ins
and outs of setting up large temporary networks for things like
conventions.

This one post caught my attention. Has anyone heard of a WiFi AP that
will
spoof neighboring networks to intentionally interfere with them, not by
occupying/jamming the spectrum in a brute force way, but rather by
impersonating the other network and rejecting new associations?

The quote:

 One of which I forgot to mention. Many of the hotels (I believe all
 Hilton properties at this time) have sold the facilities space for
their
 wifi network to another company. They CAN'T negotiate it with you,
 because they don't own it any more. And most of these wifi networks
have
 stealth killers enabled, so that they spoof any other wifi zone they
see
 and send back reject messages to the clients. So you can't run them
side
 by side.

Greg




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[WISPA] Internet Censorship

2011-11-16 Thread John Thomas
What is everyone's take on this?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2011/11/sopa-internet-piracy-bill-criticized-as-internet-censorship/



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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-11 Thread John Thomas
Roman, for the things you are talking about, Ciscos are not necessarily 
stupid expensive.
We typically are installing Cisco 881 series routers on Cable modem 
Internet connections that run at 87 meg down and 20 meg up, and they 
rarely push more than a few % CPU. 880 series routers can be had for in 
the $450 - 700 range. Up a notch to the 891 series that is around $1000 
and the 1900 series in the 1200-1500 dollar range. The 1900s are 
necessary if you are into T-1's. The smartnets on these run from around 
$100 per year into about $200 per year.



John

On 7/7/2011 1:31 PM, Roman wrote:


Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is 
very good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced 
wireless professionals.



Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to 
provoke additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs 
from community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers 
market as it is today.



Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with 
help of WISP community!



Market segment



Econom



Middle



Top

Market players



Mikrotik



Imagestream



Vyatta



Juniper SRX



Cisco

Performance and price



20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)

2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)





Up to 8x1GE



300 Mbps – 1500$

Up to 8x1GE



Features



Proprietary OS



Open source, Linux-based

Quagga as dynamic routing package



High end of open source routers



Cisco competitor,

Junos



IOS – stable and proven

Advantages











Disadvantages



Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)



OSPF issues







Use cases



Startups



Startups





Large enterprises with certified engineers



Large enterprises with certified engineers

Technical support



Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants



Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support



You can purchase service contract



Many paid options



Many paid options

Try before buy



http://demo2.mt.lv/










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Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org


What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for 
one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for 
all of my projects to get budget calculation.
For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 
Mbps backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for 
projects with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise 
to use configuration Medium. For every type of configuration I would 
like to know its technical characteristics and price.


Thank you in advance!





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[WISPA] Marketing ( was Re: Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update)

2011-04-07 Thread John Thomas
Smart marketing goes a long way. I know of a company that was basically 
getting a 3 x T-1 pushed its way because ATT wanted to sell it to them. 
Wow, for only $700 per month you can have 4.5 Megabits per second. We 
told them go ask about Fiber. By going through a reseller, they were 
able to get ATT to install a 10 meg x 10 meg fiber connection for $973 
per month. Of course the equipment is 100 meg port and they are actually 
getting about 20 + meg both directions, and are VERY happy with this 
arrangement. Of course if The TW Telecom rep had actually wanted to sell 
the product, they could have had 100 meg over fiber to their site for 
about $1400 per month. The fiber is literally in the street outside 
their building, but the TW Telecom guy didn't want to sell it.


A fellow Network Engineer has 1.5 meg / 384 k ADSL to his house. 
According to ATT's website, for $45 he can get 6 meg / 768 k + 5 static 
IP addresses for $45 per month.  After having ATT *hang up* on him 3 
times, hes has decided to drop ATT and look at other alternatives.


John


On 4/5/2011 9:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

You can always upgrade More!

The key central question is ... how to 'Capitalize' on it  and make 
some Money.


There are always two ways the Market move .. Either PUSH (try to sell 
your excess capacity on the network , making it attractive , lower the 
selling price, while increasing margins ... or Packaging your products 
differently for a different Target Market).


or PULL .. where the customers are knocking on your doors to demand more.

So.. here is bit of Challenge for All of US, including Rick  Travis

If we have the capacity to deliver the high bandwidth to our 
customers.. and in our market place the Phone Company is still selling 
T1' s and Metro Ethernet's  like hot cakes.. then there is only one 
possible conclusion .


We need to Review our products / pricing / packaging strategy... since 
we are leaving a LOT on the Table..


now, if you tell me that in your / our market place.. the Telco's are 
hurting in business because folks are lining up purchase your / our 
circuits.. .then and only then I can say you are starting to 
'saturate' your territory.. time to expand and break new ground.


Some Food For Thought..

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:supp...@snappydsl.net

On 4/6/2011 12:08 AM, RickG wrote:
+100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 
90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!


On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net 
mailto:t...@ida.net wrote:


The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all
comes
down to price.

I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that
wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)

Travis
Microserv


On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
 It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable
companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb
range

 That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology
has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now
unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial
broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can
deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the
middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)

 -Charles

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

 I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting
20 Mbps down
 and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
 I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload
or download a
 big file via FTP or whatever.
 It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.

 ~V~

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Charles Wu
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

 Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected
to wireless
 router on phone

 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
 To: 

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-07 Thread John Thomas
Rick, what price are you offering 10 megs at? In our neck of the woods 
Towerstream is doing 8 meg at $800 per month.


John

On 4/5/2011 9:23 PM, RickG wrote:
Thats what I thought which is why I spent so much time and money on 
upgrading. I've got 30-50 megs at nearly every tower and I started 
offering 10Mbps posted rates. I even lowered the upgrade prices above 
3Mbps. Very few care and even fewer take it. In fact, I have some that 
ask if we have a slower plan! I'm starting to be concerned that 
dial-up is good enough!


On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Jerry Richardson 
jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:


For now.  I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with
1.5 or 3.0 indefinitely. I know we won't.

- Jerry

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM

*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

+100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore
but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
mailto:t...@ida.net wrote:

The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all
comes
down to price.

I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that
wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)

Travis
Microserv



On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
 It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable
companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb
range

 That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology
has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now
unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial
broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can
deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the
middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)

 -Charles

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

 I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20
Mbps down
 and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
 I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or
download a
 big file via FTP or whatever.
 It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.

 ~V~

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Charles Wu
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

 Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to
wireless
 router on phone

 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

 Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the
whole sector all

 to yourself.

 I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a
handset, without
 the big antenna outside.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com mailto:c...@cticonnect.com
 To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it
mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA
GeneralListwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW


 It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version
of LTE

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

 most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one
 direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer
download,
 then the customer upload).

 

Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops

2011-01-25 Thread John Thomas
Cisco 1200 series are FCC certified for DFS bands.

We have a pair of 1250's doing a .3 mile link at 135 Megabits/sec. 
Throughput at about 9.5 Megabytes per second on a file copy. Yes, they 
are more expensive at about $650 each (CDW), but they work. If you don't 
need 802.11n, then the 1242's will do 802.11a at about $475 each. You do 
have to mount them in NEMA boxes.


John

On 1/20/2011 2:00 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
 If you want DFS2 legal the only thing I am aware of is moto

 Anything (old) DFS that is not already in the air is not legal to hang.

 There is a slough full of stuff that is pending DFS2 certification including 
 ubiquity.

 Mikrotik is not DFS2.

 Jerry Richardson
 Sent Mobile

 On Jan 20, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com  wrote:

 Looking for some gear to do 4 short hops under a mile and not interfer
 with existing 2.4 or 5.7 gear.  Was thinking of the 5.2 or 5.4 band
 gear.  Whats out there that wont break the bank and is FCC compliant
 in that band?  Leaning towards canopy but would like more bandwidth
 and a lower price.


 
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Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

2010-12-19 Thread John Thomas

On 12/15/2010 12:08 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:

I have found vmware to be a nightmare in many instances.


 That is a pretty bold statement, can you describe an instance where 
it was a nightmare?



In others I absolutely love it.

Check out the opensource project called ProxMox.

It allows you to run containers as well as KVM instances - and has 
tons and tons of template machines (including the ability to use any 
VMWare one.

http://proxmox.org/products/proxmox-ve

We have tons of templates from Cacti, WHMCS, cPanel, Zimbra, PRoxMox 
AntiSpam and others - well worth the testing




On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote:

Great thing about ESXi is that its footprint is so small. It uses 
like 300k of memory and you can run it from a USB thumbdrive and all 
the storage is simply virtual machines.

EUREKA!
*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]*on 
Behalf Of*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:55 PM
*To:*WISPA General List
*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

That's for premier.  You want partner, like an ISP.  Someone said 
like a dollar forty?


On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com 
mailto:cc...@wispmon.com wrote:
 On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user 
per year
 (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty 
pricey to me.
 People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of 
stuff at

 less than $1/month/sub.

 Cameron

 On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com 
mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote:


  Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their 
support. Dell

  support has been fantastic too.

 I think Redhat uses KVM?

http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/

 Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to
 VMware?



 


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Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

2010-12-02 Thread John Thomas
Have you looked at MTUs on the client PCs?

If they have Windows PCs, download TCP Optimizer and set the MTU down to 
1472 or less.
A lot of ADSL circuits use PPPoE and it adds overhead. By dropping the 
MTU to allow for the PPPoE overhead, things will start working. IF 
testing show that this makes a difference, you may need to adjust the 
MTU or MSS size in your edge router to 1472 or smaller.

John


On 12/2/2010 7:21 AM, Optimum Wireless Services wrote:
 Marlon.

 That's exactly how things are in our network. Speedtest look good but,
 once the client goes to Facebook and Hotmail things just don't work
 well.

 Any solution or suggestions?


 On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 11:22 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 Oh yeah, we'd run speed tests and they'd look great.  Google would load
 right up etc.  Reboot the router/radio and things would run fine for a
 little bit.

 Then try to go to MSN, Myspace, facebook etc. and things would die.

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Optimum Wireless Serviceswil...@optimumwireless.com
 To: RickGrgunder...@gmail.com
 Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail


 I don't use Facebook much but, I had to lately in order to test the
 problem. Is actually a little slow from time to time. All other pages
 load fine. That's what I don't understand.

 I found this about facebook:

 http://www.5starsocialnetwork.com/facebook-connection-problems/

 http://support.momentoapp.com/discussions/problems/106-problem-with-facebook-connection

 http://www.facebook.com/KnownIssues/posts/171845609509593

 I'm puzzled at all this and is really getting on my nerves. I have
 people complaining about it.

 Thanks.

 On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 13:26 -0500, RickG wrote:
 Have you seen the actual problem for yourself? If so, does it do it at
 your core?

 On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Optimum Wireless Services
 wil...@optimumwireless.com  wrote:
  Hello.

  Lately my customers have been experiencing problems accessing
  facebook
  and hotmail. They claim they can't access their email on
  hotmail after
  entering their credentials and can't see pictures and other
  people's
  profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We
  have 3
  5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have
  about 120
  customers and have complained so much about it that is already
  getting
  on me.

  Just wanted to know if any of you have experienced problems
  with these
  two websites.

  Thanks in advanced.



  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Covad Wireless

2010-11-21 Thread John Thomas
On 11/21/2010 5:48 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Has anyone worked with Covad Wireless before?


Yes, what do you want to know?

John



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Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

2010-11-03 Thread John Thomas
You can *probably* do full tables on a pair of 1941's or 2900 Series 
Cisco's these days. With a pair of 1 U routers using VRRP or HSRP, you 
should be good to go.

John

On 11/2/2010 11:14 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Actually, answered own question... Saw picts on Google.

 Pretty sweet switch/router (12000 series), as long as its not sitting in an
 Equinix cage at $50/ 1U / month. Probably would costs $500-$700/mon to colo.


 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnsont...@ida.net
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS


 Tom,

 I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn't
 compare to a dedicated hardware platform (like Cisco) that was built
 from the ground up to do nothing but routing. We purchased a used Cisco
 12008 router about 1.5 years ago off ebay. They are very, very cheap...
 the only downside is they are BIG and require 240VAC. But it's way cool
 to pull the CPU card while the router is moving 500Mbps of traffic and
 have it not even miss a single ping (due to the redundant CPU card).
 Same goes for the route fabric card. ;)

 We use Mikrotik for our inside core router and this big Cisco for our
 border router to our BGP upstreams. I have slept very well for the last
 1.5 years knowing everything in the box is fully redundant (CPU, route,
 power, etc.). :)

 Travis
 Microserv


 On 11/2/2010 9:04 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Note: Quagga has been very reliable for quite some time now. Imagestream
 and
 Vyatta both use Quagga. Both are great choices for BGP routers.

 I personally use Mandrake (Mandriva) Linux with a slew of custom
 modifications that we have made, loaded on SuperMicro, and then use
 latest
 Quagga.
 That has worked well for us, the last 5 years. (although, I dont
 recommend
 that to someone, until they are vastly familiar with their distro of
 Linux.
 Last thing you want to do is use your BGP router for a Guinee Pig Science
 project, rebooting it all the time to test script changes.) But once you
 are
 comfortable with your Distro, it works well.

 There are a million arguements for and against Cisco versus Linux, to
 be
 used for the ISPs' average NOC/POP router/switch. I dont dispute any of
 the
 arguements. But one area where I believe Linux stands tall, is as a CORE
 BGP
 router. A core BGP router can be one of the more simplistic configured
 routers because it only really needs to perform one function, BGP routing
 to
 its connected peers.  For BGP there are two critical needs Fast
 processors and Lots of RAM. In todays world there is no excuse to not
 have
 both of those.  The problem with Cisco is that it lacks both, unless you
 pay
 big bucks. Linux on the other hand has an abundance of both, when
 combined
 with PC-Like hardware.

I laugh at my competitors, when they say, oh no, BGP reset, had to
 reload
 BGP tables, now there is latency for like 3 minutes or compromised
 routing
 for that period or got a route problem, the small prefixes aren't in my
 tables. . On Linux, if you want to restart BGP, well thats like 1 second
 to
 reload tables. And no need to drop any routes, unless you want to. You
 could
 have Full routes with like 30 peers from a single router, if you wanted
 to.
 You can load up Linux with like 32 NICs (qty8 4port GIG NICs) in a 2U
 case,
 if you want to, and dont even need a Switch. (Although new will cost you
 about $430 per 4port PCI-E Gig NIC).

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL   Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Kristian Hoffmannkh...@fire2wire.com
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS


 On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:

 I still need to try a Vyatta system.
 I loathe the idea of managing a *nix distro on a router (which is why we
 use RouterOS now).  Apparently I've had too much Tik-aid, because I had
 completely forgotten about Vyatta and similar options.

 I have a SuperMicro 5015A-H (Atom 330 dual-core) coming in tomorrow.
 I'm going to try RouterOS and Vyatta and see how BGP responds on each
 with a single feed.  If anyone else has an x86-based distro they'd like
 to see performance on, let me know.

 And thanks for all the responses.  The information has been very
 helpful.  Unfortunately, the conclusion I came to is I have no idea
 what I'm going to do.  Cisco = $$$ and MikroTik = coin flip.  Hopefully
 Vyatta lands somewhere in the middle.

 Thanks,

 -Kristian



 
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[WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone

2010-10-20 Thread John Thomas
I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like 
it might save a tower climb somewhere.

http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone-quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p


You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera.

John



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[WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

2010-09-22 Thread John Thomas

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons-are-faster-than-rural-internet/173?tag=nl.e539





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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-04 Thread John Thomas
Yes, I have heard of them. Time Warner (TW Telecom) is my upstream. We aren't 
paying for IP addresses, but we only have a /27 of addresses with them.



Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:

ATT and Time Warner.  You may have heard of them.  :)



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month? If that is true, I have a
portable /19 I am going to start renting..

John

Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:

Depends on if you have to pay for it.  Some upstreamproviders give them 
for free, others not.  Some WISPS pay for their own block.  Either way, 
as with everything in  business, if I have to pay 15 bucks for a static 
you better believe that cost is gonna be passed on.  That's a HUGE 
percentage of the cost of providing service to that customer.





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs.

We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All 
customers get dynamic, possibly changing, public IPs. We charge for a 
consistent public IP.

NAT causes too many potential headaches for us to even bother with it.

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

 True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 
 Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let
go.
 Or not.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of John Thomas
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
 
 And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I 
 would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.
 
 John
 
 Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 
 Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal 
 according to the
 
 customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month
 *grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign 
 that static to
 the
 customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves.
 
 -Kurt Fankhauser
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
 
 
 Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy 
 adamkenn...@omnicity.net
 wrote:
 I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would 
 let me
 do
 my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, 
 telnet
 and
 web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every 
 port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access 
 to anyone else.
 
 In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP 
 if you are doing NAT.
 
 --
 Adam Kennedy
 Network Engineer
 Omnicity, Inc.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. 
 Schafer
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
 
 Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been 
 told that it's a big security hole.
 
 Thoughts on that?
 marlon
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
 
 
 I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
 
 When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I 
 have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 
 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox 
 upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove 
 even nice strict (I think it's called open?).
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 k...@wavelinc.com
 wrote:
 So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and 
 bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is 
 very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to 
 make connections to other servers.
 From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal 
 Plug and Play
 (UPnP) to get around

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread John Thomas
And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find 
a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.

John

Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the 
customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* 
and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to the 
customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves.

-Kurt Fankhauser


- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP


 Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net 
 wrote:
 I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do 
 my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and 
 web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port 
 from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone 
 else.

 In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you 
 are doing NAT.

 --
 Adam Kennedy
 Network Engineer
 Omnicity, Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

 Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told
 that it's a big security hole.

 Thoughts on that?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP


 I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.

 When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
 it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
 gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even
 this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict
 (I think it's called open?).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com 
 wrote:
 So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to 
 you
 about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about 
 being
 behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other
 servers.
 From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and 
 Play
 (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing
 masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that
 device?
 Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let 
 them
 worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then
 do
 a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does
 that
 not work because of the double-NAT?



 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com








 
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread John Thomas
Are you always that quick to jump to conclusions? I guess I am just spoiled 
living in CA and NV as all the ISPs I have ever known of assign IP addresses 
either free or $5 per month. 

Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:

True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:

 Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go.
 Or not.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of John Thomas
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

 And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would
 find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.

 John

 Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the

 customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins*
 and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to
 the
 customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves.

 -Kurt Fankhauser


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP


 Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net
 wrote:
 I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me
 do
 my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet
 and
 web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port
 from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone
 else.

 In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you
 are doing NAT.

 --
 Adam Kennedy
 Network Engineer
 Omnicity, Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

 Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told
 that it's a big security hole.

 Thoughts on that?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP


 I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.

 When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
 it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
 gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even
 this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict
 (I think it's called open?).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
 wrote:
 So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to
 you
 about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about
 being
 behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other
 servers.
 From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and
 Play
 (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing
 masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that
 device?
 Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let
 them
 worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and
 then
 do
 a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does
 that
 not work because of the double-NAT?



 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com









 
 
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread John Thomas
Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month? If that is true, I have a 
portable /19 I am going to start renting..

John

Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:

Depends on if you have to pay for it.  Some upstreamproviders give them for
free, others not.  Some WISPS pay for their own block.  Either way, as with
everything in  business, if I have to pay 15 bucks for a static you better
believe that cost is gonna be passed on.  That's a HUGE percentage of the
cost of providing service to that customer.





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs.

We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All
customers get dynamic, possibly changing, public IPs. We charge for a
consistent public IP.

NAT causes too many potential headaches for us to even bother with it.

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

 True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 
 Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go.
 Or not.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of John Thomas
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
 
 And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I 
 would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.
 
 John
 
 Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 
 Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according 
 to the
 
 customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month 
 *grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign 
 that static to
 the
 customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves.
 
 -Kurt Fankhauser
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
 
 
 Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy 
 adamkenn...@omnicity.net
 wrote:
 I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would 
 let me
 do
 my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, 
 telnet
 and
 web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every 
 port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access 
 to anyone else.
 
 In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP 
 if you are doing NAT.
 
 --
 Adam Kennedy
 Network Engineer
 Omnicity, Inc.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
 
 Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been 
 told that it's a big security hole.
 
 Thoughts on that?
 marlon
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
 
 
 I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
 
 When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I 
 have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 
 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox 
 upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove 
 even nice strict (I think it's called open?).
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 k...@wavelinc.com
 wrote:
 So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and 
 bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is 
 very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to 
 make connections to other servers.
 From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug 
 and Play
 (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your 
 doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP 
 on that device?
 Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and 
 let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core 
 router and
 then
 do
 a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP 
 enable does that not work because of the double-NAT?
 
 
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com

Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-12 Thread John Thomas


Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:

Thanks for the gumball, Popeye.

Thanks for the gumball.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 6:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: i...@jcwifi.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Looking to Sell..

I work with Sara who started the thread

We have 40 - 80 currently and will have more that would like to move CPQ19's
all generations, current firmware





Scott Piehn
JCWIFI.com Division Manager
Computer Dynamics
451 W. South St
Freeport, IL 61032
spi...@computerdyn.com
V 815.233.2641
F 815.233.6225
- Original Message -
From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..


 Anyone who has Tranzeo CPQ15, CPQ19, SL2-15, SL2N, SL5 or TR5a radios
 for sale, please contact me.   We are switching to 10mhz channels and I
 have about 500 or so of the older CPE200 and CPE80 radios to switch out.

 I've been buying a lot of NS2/NS5 and Bullet2/Bullet5, but it is a lot
 easier to switch to a Tranzeo when the customer already has a Tranzeo,
 and there are quite a few situations where a Tranzeo works better than a
 Ubiquiti radio.

 Matt Larsen
 mlar...@vistabeam.com


 On 6/11/2010 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 An NS2 is $80 list.

 I think most will agree it is superior, too.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net 
 wrote:

 $100

 I doubt it.  New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that 
 gain
 (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even 
 less.
 Why buy old/used Wifi?
 Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used.

 Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky

 to
 get $50, on the high side.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com
 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..



 Tranzeo CPQ 19f



 We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. 
 Hoping
 they are worth around $100.  Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com.





 Sara Gray






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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread John Thomas


Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that 
pass through POE?

Not to my knowledge.

I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do
tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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continue that counts.”
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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
 want to do is learn another radio system.

 Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

 Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

 I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
 one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
 Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
 a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

 I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
 many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

 How does everyone you get around this?

 Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
 pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

 Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-07 Thread John Thomas
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Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that 
pass through POE?

Not to my knowledge.

I've always done two lines up the tower.  Usually MT APs so I can do
tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill



On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
 want to do is learn another radio system.

 Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

 Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

 I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
 one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
 Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with 
 a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

 I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
 many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

 How does everyone you get around this?

 Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
 pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 
 
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[WISPA] 10 ways you might be breaking the law with your computer: UPDATED

2010-03-29 Thread John Thomas
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1400tag=nl.e102




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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

2010-03-10 Thread John Thomas
Cisco 1100 series a/b/g can be repeaters using both bands, Cisco 1200 
series can be AP (root), CPE (non-root) or bridge.

John


Josh Luthman wrote:
 I'm thinking that every 802.11 device can be an AP or CPE.

 Pretty sure Tranzeo can.  I know Engenius can.  MT semi-can (requires
 lvl 4 to do ptmp).

 Ruckus/Cisco probably can't.

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 On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
   
 Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't
 matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a
 CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP.

 / Eje
 WISP-Router, Inc.
 Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

 Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do
 not say for sure.

 TIA,
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum---- but not forWISP's that's for sure.

2010-02-24 Thread John Thomas
I've wondered what would happen with something like a licensed lite that 
you had to pay $200 a year for access to a band. If the FCC did that, 
and people actually used the bands, then they could make some money, and 
people could get access. If, for instance, you had say 700-740 MHz and 
each WISP paid $200 a year for that band, wouldn't that add up?

John

Philip Dorr wrote:
 What if all the wispa members put in $200 (or $2000) to buy the space?

 On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
   
 Yup.   Auction = huge dollars, the kind none of us have.



 --
 From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:33 PM
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org
 memb...@wispa.org; Motorla List Beehive motor...@afmug.com
 Subject: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum but not
 forWISP's that's for sure.

 
 This plan also looks real bad for white spaces ---

 1. FCC plan calls for 500 MHz of new spectrum for wireless

 By Phil Goldstein  Comment |  Forward

 WASHINGTON--FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski said the commission's national
 broadband plan will call for freeing up 500 MHz of spectrum over the next
 decade for mobile broadband use, noting that expanded wireless Internet
 access will be key to making America more technologically competitive.
   


 
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Re: [WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell

2010-02-17 Thread John Thomas
Wouldn't it be great if there was something resembling consistent 
policies regarding facilities? Years ago, there was the suggestion that 
phone companies should be broken into 2 pieces, facilities and services. 
The facilities unit could sell access to the copper/fiber/cable to *any* 
buyer. You would have some limitations, but you would be able to freely 
get access to the middle/last mile.

Here in the East San Francisco Bay Area, I know of the following

San Ramon CA, Bishop Ranch- Time Warner has fiber at our CURB, and 
offers 5 Meg business grade access for $700 per month, ut Bishop Ranch 
won't allow Time Warner in the MPOE to pull the Glass. The fact that ATT 
is a few blocks away has nothing to do with it, I am sure... :-(

Danville CA, customer wants Comcast Business grade Internet access. 
Comcast's services stop across the street from his building. Comcast 
wants $10,000 to go across the street. That is the same $10,000 they 
have wanted for better than 10 years.

Walnut Creek CA, Astound pulled fiber to a clients site and gave them 5 
Meg access for $700 per month.

Fiber Internet Center will do 5 meg burstable to 10 meg for $1595-1695 
per month through most of Northern California, and they bring the trucks 
and pull the fiber. They once quoted me at $7000/ month for 100 Meg over 
glass.

I realize that it costs some pretty big $ to get glass in the ground, 
but why is the pricing all over the board? If there were someone that 
didn't need a 1 year ROI, they could be out building out fiber, and 
making a lot of money, but it would take 5 - 10 years to see the big $.

John



Matt Liotta wrote:
 I don't think this is good. The last time it was tried we got a bunch of 
 unsustainable business models along with increasing gamesmanship from the 
 ILECs. Besides, the RBOCs are looking for reasons to shutdown their wireline 
 operations anyway. This will only speed that up.

 I think we need smarter policy to increase competition. How about fair and 
 reasonable real estate access? WISPA should be all over that one. I know 
 every business WISP has run into an unreasonable landlord. I also sure plenty 
 of residential WISPs have had their share of landlord problems.

 -Matt

 On Feb 16, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:

   
  
 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/regulators-may-drop-broadband-line-sharing-bombshell.ars?utm_source=rssutm_medium=rssutm_campaign=rss
  

 Could be good?

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Re: [WISPA] Semi-OT: Mobile phone platform questions

2010-02-03 Thread John Thomas
Droid can do RDP and VPN

John

Brad Belton wrote:
 I used to remote desktop from my Sprint Touch phone (and earlier models
 too).  However, a year or more ago I saw one of the guys here running remote
 desktop on his iPhone and was blown away how much better it worked than my
 HTC Touch.  I punted the Touch for an iPhone and couldn't be happier with
 everything across the board.  The iPhone is hands down the best phone I've
 ever had...and it isn't even the newer S model.

 There are two iPhone apps that I downloaded to run RDC a year or more ago.
 There may be more today.  WinAdmin  RDP.  I forget which was free or maybe
 neither was free, but I prefer WinAdmin over RDP on the iPhone.

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:53 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Semi-OT: Mobile phone platform questions

 Do any of the mobile phone platforms support VPN at all from the phone
 itself?  Any have a Remote Desktop client?


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Re: [WISPA] omni upside down

2010-01-31 Thread John Thomas
Stock Cisco omnis, we were hanging them from light poles.

John


RickG wrote:
 Which antenna did you use? -RickG

 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:03 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:

   
 We have mounted omnis upside down because an omni pattern tends to
 radiate from the base of the antenna upward. By turning the antenna
 upside down, it becomes slight better at receiving and sending. That,
 and Cisco 1500's make it easy to do...

 John

 RickG wrote:
 
 Thanks!
 Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this?
 -RickG

 On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
   
 wrote:
 
   
 Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip
 antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range
 systems)
 My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like
 that.
 Antenna diversion or increased base station density.
 Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's.
 
 3
 
 up
 and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and
 
 my
 
 guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the
 
 access
 
 road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare
 
 to
 
 the tower leg joints.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down

 While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted
 
 upside
 
 down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in
 
 this?
 
 -RickG




 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread John Thomas
Midnight overhead fiber run...  :-)

John

Jeremie Chism wrote:
 I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone  
 company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get  
 it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at  
 that range.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

2010-01-29 Thread John Thomas
Strangely, our experience was the opposite, Hurricane Electric wanted 
about $500 more per month for 100 meg and a cabinet than our reseller did.

John


Andy Trimmell wrote:
 Resellers are a little bit more expensive actually and all of them don't have 
 fiber already ran. It's ridiculous the cost we pay.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of John Thomas
 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:44 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

 We buy ours through a reseller, and they have quoted us $1000/month for 
 Gig at Hurricane Electric in Fremont CA.

 John


 Mike Hammett wrote:
   
 I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if GigE connections were under $1 now. 
 I know a couple companies were at $1.

 Bandwidth pricing is the inverse of real estate pricing.  Downtown Chicago, 
 a sq.ft. of land could buy you hundreds of acres in Montana.  A single meg 
 in Montana could buy you hundreds of megs  (or a couple gigs) in Chicago.


 -
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 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:20 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

   
 
 50Mbit for $450 a month isn't bad for a pipe to ATT. We're paying 10x 
 that from ATT right now.

 $0.90? come on give me a break. If that's possible then we should sue ATT 
 for highway robbery.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

 Did you mean $9/meg or $0.90/meg?  $9/meg isn't much to write home about.
 ;-)


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; RickG
 rgunder...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

 
   
Yup.  If you are at an on-net building you can get it even cheaper.
 One
 client is buying for $9 a meg in bulk in Chicago.  Their biggest hurdle
 are
 peering agreements with the big boys.  The ATt¹s of the world are sort 
 of
 tolerating them at the moment until they can figure out what to do.  They
 tried de-peering with them a few years ago and there was an outcry.  Lots
 of
 web-sites are hosted on cogent bandwidth.

 Justin

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 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:33:16 -0500
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

 I hear $1500 for a gig!

 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Mike Hammett
 wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

   
 
 I wish I was a bit closer to a POP to take advantage of it, but my 
 Cogent
 rep informed me that through the end of the month, they have a promo
 going
 $400/100 megabit 1 year contract.  Only available at Cogent and carrier
 neutral data centers.  These facilities are listed on their web site
 under
 the network heading.  A complete building list (and not eligible for 
 this
 promo) is available in the service locator under Dedicated Internet
 access.

 Not all of their host buildings allow roof access, but I believe a
 significant number of them do.  I encourage you to build your network 
 out
 to
 these facilities.

 Sure, someone's going to hop on here and complain about how horrible
 Cogent
 is, but every carrier has their good and bad spots.  I'm sure I could
 find
 someone to honestly say the same things about ATT, VZB, Level3,
 InterNAP,
 XO, MZima, etc., etc.  It doesn't matter the carrier, I strongly
 encourage
 you to have more than one.

 Feel free to blast the list with questions about building your network 
 to
 Cogent, routing policies to best combine Cogent and your existing
 provider,
 etc.  These things would apply to any carrier, not just Cogent.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com





 
   
 
   
 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

2010-01-29 Thread John Thomas
Kinda sounds like a WISP, eh? As long as they aren't overselling it to 
the point quality suffers, who cares? We had to work at just doing a 
speed test on our 100 meg connection as most of the servers couldn't do 
100 meg up and 100 meg down. We finally were able to do a ftp and get 95 
meg/95 meg to verify that it was working as advertised. I still smile 
when I can do traceroutes to cities miles away and have all the hops at 
1 ms, or less when using Linux.

John

Justin Wilson wrote:
 Plus they want to oversell this cheap bandwidth.  They don¹t want you to
 max out that Gig circuit.  Allows them to oversell their bandwidth that much
 more.
   
 



 
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Re: [WISPA] omni upside down

2010-01-29 Thread John Thomas
We have mounted omnis upside down because an omni pattern tends to 
radiate from the base of the antenna upward. By turning the antenna 
upside down, it becomes slight better at receiving and sending. That, 
and Cisco 1500's make it easy to do...

John

RickG wrote:
 Thanks!
 Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this?
 -RickG

 On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

   
 Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip
 antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range
 systems)
 My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like
 that.
 Antenna diversion or increased base station density.
 Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3
 up
 and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my
 guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access
 road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to
 the tower leg joints.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down

 While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside
 down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this?
 -RickG



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

2010-01-26 Thread John Thomas
Start lining up the lawsuit then.

We pay about $350 for 100 megabits/sec at Hurricane Electric in Fremont CA.

John

Andy Trimmell wrote:
 50Mbit for $450 a month isn't bad for a pipe to ATT. We're paying 10x that 
 from ATT right now. 

 $0.90? come on give me a break. If that's possible then we should sue ATT 
 for highway robbery.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

 Did you mean $9/meg or $0.90/meg?  $9/meg isn't much to write home about. 
 ;-)


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; RickG 
 rgunder...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

   
Yup.  If you are at an on-net building you can get it even cheaper. 
 One
 client is buying for $9 a meg in bulk in Chicago.  Their biggest hurdle 
 are
 peering agreements with the big boys.  The ATt¹s of the world are sort of
 tolerating them at the moment until they can figure out what to do.  They
 tried de-peering with them a few years ago and there was an outcry.  Lots 
 of
 web-sites are hosted on cogent bandwidth.

 Justin

 -- 
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 CCNA ­ CCNT ­ Mikrotik Advanced
 http://www.mtin.net   - Homepage
 http://www.mtin.net/blog  - Technical Blog

 XISP solutions ­ Hosting ­ Consulting ­ Tower Climbing


 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:33:16 -0500
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

 I hear $1500 for a gig!

 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Mike Hammett
 wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

 
 I wish I was a bit closer to a POP to take advantage of it, but my Cogent
 rep informed me that through the end of the month, they have a promo 
 going
 $400/100 megabit 1 year contract.  Only available at Cogent and carrier
 neutral data centers.  These facilities are listed on their web site 
 under
 the network heading.  A complete building list (and not eligible for this
 promo) is available in the service locator under Dedicated Internet 
 access.

 Not all of their host buildings allow roof access, but I believe a
 significant number of them do.  I encourage you to build your network out 
 to
 these facilities.

 Sure, someone's going to hop on here and complain about how horrible 
 Cogent
 is, but every carrier has their good and bad spots.  I'm sure I could 
 find
 someone to honestly say the same things about ATT, VZB, Level3, 
 InterNAP,
 XO, MZima, etc., etc.  It doesn't matter the carrier, I strongly 
 encourage
 you to have more than one.

 Feel free to blast the list with questions about building your network to
 Cogent, routing policies to best combine Cogent and your existing 
 provider,
 etc.  These things would apply to any carrier, not just Cogent.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com





   
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

2010-01-26 Thread John Thomas
We buy ours through a reseller, and they have quoted us $1000/month for 
Gig at Hurricane Electric in Fremont CA.

John


Mike Hammett wrote:
 I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if GigE connections were under $1 now. 
 I know a couple companies were at $1.

 Bandwidth pricing is the inverse of real estate pricing.  Downtown Chicago, 
 a sq.ft. of land could buy you hundreds of acres in Montana.  A single meg 
 in Montana could buy you hundreds of megs  (or a couple gigs) in Chicago.


 -
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:20 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

   
 50Mbit for $450 a month isn't bad for a pipe to ATT. We're paying 10x 
 that from ATT right now.

 $0.90? come on give me a break. If that's possible then we should sue ATT 
 for highway robbery.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

 Did you mean $9/meg or $0.90/meg?  $9/meg isn't much to write home about.
 ;-)


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; RickG
 rgunder...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

 
Yup.  If you are at an on-net building you can get it even cheaper.
 One
 client is buying for $9 a meg in bulk in Chicago.  Their biggest hurdle
 are
 peering agreements with the big boys.  The ATt¹s of the world are sort 
 of
 tolerating them at the moment until they can figure out what to do.  They
 tried de-peering with them a few years ago and there was an outcry.  Lots
 of
 web-sites are hosted on cogent bandwidth.

 Justin

 -- 
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 CCNA ­ CCNT ­ Mikrotik Advanced
 http://www.mtin.net   - Homepage
 http://www.mtin.net/blog  - Technical Blog

 XISP solutions ­ Hosting ­ Consulting ­ Tower Climbing


 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:33:16 -0500
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo

 I hear $1500 for a gig!

 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Mike Hammett
 wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

   
 I wish I was a bit closer to a POP to take advantage of it, but my 
 Cogent
 rep informed me that through the end of the month, they have a promo
 going
 $400/100 megabit 1 year contract.  Only available at Cogent and carrier
 neutral data centers.  These facilities are listed on their web site
 under
 the network heading.  A complete building list (and not eligible for 
 this
 promo) is available in the service locator under Dedicated Internet
 access.

 Not all of their host buildings allow roof access, but I believe a
 significant number of them do.  I encourage you to build your network 
 out
 to
 these facilities.

 Sure, someone's going to hop on here and complain about how horrible
 Cogent
 is, but every carrier has their good and bad spots.  I'm sure I could
 find
 someone to honestly say the same things about ATT, VZB, Level3,
 InterNAP,
 XO, MZima, etc., etc.  It doesn't matter the carrier, I strongly
 encourage
 you to have more than one.

 Feel free to blast the list with questions about building your network 
 to
 Cogent, routing policies to best combine Cogent and your existing
 provider,
 etc.  These things would apply to any carrier, not just Cogent.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com





 
 
   
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] metered billing

2010-01-25 Thread John Thomas
Read the fine print in the contracts. With ATT, if you call people 
outside ATT's network too much, they will raise your rates.

John

Josh Luthman wrote:
 I expect if it comes to a point where services are degraded and enough
 customers complain they will do just what Vonage does - find the top 3%
 heaviest users and give them the boot.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 --- Albert Einstein


 On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

   
 Hi,

 While watching TV today, I noticed several adds for both Verizon and ATT
 now offering UNLIMITED voice service for $69 per line. We also have a
 regional cell provider (Syringa Wireless) that is doing $75 UNLIMITED
 everything (voice, texts, internet) per line.

 It would seem all the cell carriers are moving to an unlimited system...

 Travis
 Microserv


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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

2010-01-24 Thread John Thomas
Thanks, that is good to know. It looks like the 1810G-24 can be upstream 
powered using POE. That could be a good thing for a WISP.

John


Nick Olsen wrote:
 The 1810G-24 can. The 1800-24  8 can't.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:20 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

 Try to find out what mac address is on which port-you can't do that with 
 the HP 1800's, you need something higher up the food chain.

 John

 Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
   
 Nick-
 Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP 
 
 ProCurve 1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 
 Switch Series http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc 
   
 It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a 
 
 bit more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 
 port version.  Any experience with the 2810 series?  Thanks in advance.
   
 `S

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 
 Behalf Of Nick Olsen
   
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

 I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the 
 
 new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24
   
 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect..

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

 Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 
 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are 
 

   
 similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or 
 
 RX 
   
 per port, not simultaneous.  For example To Do Calea monitoring it would 
 
 be 
   
 necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and 
 
 RX 
   
 on the backbone port, and sort through it.

 But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check 
 
 for 
   
 you, shortly..

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

   
 
 Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch
 do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the
 same time. Thx for info.

 Thanks,
 'S

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 Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)

 On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:

 
   
 Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.

 SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port
 (w/ 4
 fiber module ports) model is about $750.
 It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good
 monitoring
 stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)

 SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you
 cant
 label ports with names.

 Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300
 range.  And
 there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.

 NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but
 lacks a few
 VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations


   
 
 Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
 for
 recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port
 units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!

 Thanks in advance,
 Scott



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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

2010-01-20 Thread John Thomas
Try to find out what mac address is on which port-you can't do that with 
the HP 1800's, you need something higher up the food chain.

John

Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
 Nick-
 Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP ProCurve 
 1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 Switch Series 
 http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc 

 It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a bit 
 more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 port 
 version.  Any experience with the 2810 series?  Thanks in advance.

 `S

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Nick Olsen
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

 I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new 
 one I'm liking is the 1810G-24
 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect..

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

 Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 
 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are 
 similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX 
 per port, not simultaneous.  For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be 
 necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX 
 on the backbone port, and sort through it.

 But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for 
 you, shortly..

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

   
 Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch
 do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the
 same time. Thx for info.

 Thanks,
 'S

 ---
 Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)

 On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:

 
 Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.

 SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port
 (w/ 4
 fiber module ports) model is about $750.
 It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good
 monitoring
 stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)

 SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you
 cant
 label ports with names.

 Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300
 range.  And
 there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.

 NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but
 lacks a few
 VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations


   
 Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
 for
 recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port
 units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!

 Thanks in advance,
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[WISPA] ATT was Re: Wimax gear

2010-01-01 Thread John Thomas
Unless the Federal Government gives ATT a blank check and ORDERS them 
to this, it is NOT ever going to happen. I have seen copies of Project 
Pronto documents that said the San Francisco Bay Area was supposed to 
have fiber to the home 10 years ago. Yes, there were a few strands 
installed, but nowhere near what what promised to get what they wanted 
from the lawmakers. We just tried to get an ADSL circuit installed in 
Concord CA, and it took a month, and at least 5 different tech site visits.

John

Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Patrick,

  Major SNIPThe technology is there, I just hope our industry accomplishes 
 the price 
   
 point needed for mass scale in time, before companies like ATT get fiber to 
 every home by 2015 :-)

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Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

2010-01-01 Thread John Thomas
What are the issues with your Barracuda?

John

Ugo Bellavance wrote:
 On 2009-07-13 20:08, Don Grossman wrote:
   
 It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution.  Currently we
 are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the
 box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be
 resolved.
 

 I tend to use a mix of:

 - clamav-milter (with unofficial signatures)
 - spamassassin-milter
 - sendmail tweaks http://www.technoids.org/dossed.html
 - MailScanner

 For a more corporate-ready product, FSL is doing excellent products.

 http://www.fsl.com/

 BarricadeMX is very interesting, as it does everything at the SMTP 
 phase, which is very efficient.

 Regards,

 Ugo



 
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[WISPA] WiFiSplurper

2009-12-25 Thread John Thomas
Has anyone ever seen this?

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/05/30/wifi-slurper-grabs-u.html

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Re: [WISPA] public subnet

2009-12-21 Thread John Thomas
A great article talking about why NOT to block ICMP

http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6524/1/

 From the article,

In short, blocking ICMP is detrimental to the successful operation of 
networks. It will break more than just ping; in fact, many protocols 
will be neutered if ICMP isn't working.

John




RickG wrote:
 Ya, and further proof it should work is that it works at my office on the
 same tower. I cant blame their cisco because I bypassed it with my laptop.
 No proxy server. Everything goes through the RB450G. So, the only
 differences are the WRAP on the tower and the CPE. I'll try the CPE next.
 Will advise.

 BTW: I agree with you on ICMP. I usually make them allow that, if they want
 my help :)

 Thanks! -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote:

   
 Unless there is a rouge NAT statement someplace, I do not see anything
 specific that would be causing this (as described)
 What about a proxy server ? Are all connections heading out the NAT IP
 or only HTTP?


 On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:40 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The thing is they had a bridge from the other tower and it was working.
   
 The
 
 only thing thats changed is the tower. RIP is on RB450G and WRAP's. Dont
 know about Cisco as it is the customers and I dont have control. They
   
 also
 
 have ICMP turned off amongst other things. Should I still see it?
   
 I would request that ICMP be allowed to your internal network at
 least. Personally, I control everything down to the ethernet
 port. Past that, its their ball (but mostly I handle the LAN too)

 
 Yes, NAT is being done from RB450G using 10.0.0.0/8.
 Thanks! -RickG

 On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:08 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net 
 jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

   
 Mmmm. bridging CPE, make sure its not proxy arping.

 Check your RIP, if its turned on, on both the wrap and Csico, should be
 seen.

 Where is the IP that is doing NAT located, on the RB450? The only way I
 
 had
 
 that
 work correctly was to drop all chain rules and tell NAT to source
 10.0.0.0/8
 when going out dst interface. I have 2 routers at the core one for BGP 
 etc
 upstream, the other for NAT and in building hand-off (couple lans's and
 wireless, then the BH's to the rest of the network + the hotspot).


 RickG wrote:
 
 I agree but traceroutes run perfectly. Just to be clear, here is the
   
 setup:
 
 Inet-RB450G(Firewall)-WRAP/StarOS-CPE-Customer Device (Cisco).
 The subnet is 204.62.63.76/30.
 RB450G has the subnet defined in the filter rules as chain forward.
 The wireless interface on the WRAP has 204.62.63.77 assigned.
 The CPE is in bridge mode so its on a private IP.
 The Cisco has 204.62.63.78 assigned to ether1.
 All with a 255.255.255.252 subnet mask.
 I tested with my laptop in place of the router.
 One strange item I noticed. I'm running RIP and it does not see the
   
 WRAP
 
 with 204.62.63.77 assigned.
 Any other ideas?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:13 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net 
 jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

   
 Routing or firewall setup issues. I pass a /24 and a /8 (NAT) across
 
 my
 
 entire
 network. I use one place of NAT (well a few users still have in house
 
 NAT)
 
 I
 would do traceroutes from and to the end IPs and see where things
 
 start
 
 to
 
 look
 wrong.

 RickG wrote:
 
 OK, I've got a good one. I’m trying to pass public subnets to a
   
 couple
 
 of
 
 customers. They worked before I switched them to a new, closer
   
 tower.
 
 Bascially, it will not show the public IP when checking at
 whatismyip.combut rather my firewall ip. Obviuosly, I can get on the
 net with the public
 ip's. What's weird is that it works at my office which is on the
   
 same
 
 tower
 
 although it is a different access point. However, the AP's are the
   
 both
 
 WRAP/StarOS units. My AP is running 5GHz and the customers is
   
 running
 
 2.4GHz. One other difference is that the customer's CPE is aNS2L and
   
 mine
 
 is
 
 a NS5. I did try a Tranzeo CPQ as well. The only other difference is
   
 that
 
 the customer is now only one hop from the firewall versus two hops
   
 before.
 
 Any thoughts?

 -RickG



   
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?

2009-11-23 Thread John Thomas
On a Cisco 1231, Band 3 is 5.470 to 5.725 GHz.

John


George Morris wrote:
 Its part of 5.4. In Canada, you have to stay out of 5600-5650 due to weather
 radar, suspect the US may be much the same...

 George 

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:22 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?

 My new MIMO radios have 5.6 GHZ on them, I don't recall that frequency
 being available in the US.  Is it?

 Forbes


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

2009-11-19 Thread John Thomas
Also HP had 100 VG AnyLAN that used 4 wires.

John


Jerry Richardson wrote:
 There was a technology that used all 4 pairs. It was a proprietary solution 
 that put Video on one set and data on the other. Broadxxx or something like 
 that.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:01 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

 Don't think so, pretty confident gigabit is 2 pair still.  Could be wrong...

 On 11/18/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
   
 I believe 100 megs requires 2 pair and Gig requires all 4 pair in addition
 to certain quality measures.


 -
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 http://www.ics-il.com



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 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:58 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

 
 Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair.  Transmit and receive.
 Can
 easily do 100mbps.  You could even get it to do gigabit with not much
 effort.  No PoE though, no pair for that. HOWEVER, the problems come from
 the nasty connections everyone including the phone company has made.  Most
 phone line isn't clean like a network cable you would run.  Who knows
 where the hell the splices and rodent chewed ends are at and if they stick
 with a common wiring scheme throughout the structure.  If it was the best
 option, you could at least test and give up quickly if it fell on its
 face.

 There used to be some home networking nics that used the phone lines in
 the
 home and you could also use the phones with the things connected.  That
 was
 in the late 1990's, early 2000.  Some Gateway desktops came with them.  I
 never saw them used though.

 Bob-




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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

 That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except
 references
 to the standard being 10Mbps:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable
 Any examples?

 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote:

   
 With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire!

 -Kevin


 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 100Mbps on cat 3? Really?

 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:

   
 We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house.
 My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the
 same
 as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line?
 Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring
 is
 virtually unused.

 Thanks,
 Forbes




 
 
 
   
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Re: [WISPA] Need a new AP

2009-11-19 Thread John Thomas
Cisco 1200 series will plug right in

John

AJ wrote:
 Hahaha Gmail ads came up with this firmware as I was reading this thread:

 http://www.fireserve.com/products/ubiquiti/bullet-m-firmware.php

 chop
 *Adds 802.11-compatible encryption modes
 *The stock Ubiquiti firmware only supports WPA-AES encryption.  Our firmware
 adds support for 64-bit and 128-bit WEP, WPA-TKIP and WPA2-TKIP.
 /chop


 Pretty spendy for just a single unit...

 On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:

   
 In that case, use a MikroTik RB411R.
 Integrated radio, and MT can do various encryptions you need.

 Sorry, I overlooked that part of the request.

 On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:16 PM, pat p...@inlandnet.com wrote:

 
 Bullet M2's won't do WEP until the release of firmware version 5.1 which
 has been in just a couple of weeks for at least the last two months.



 Jayson Baker wrote:
   
 UBNT Bullet M2?

 On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM, pat p...@inlandnet.com wrote:


 
 I have one small group on an old Cisco Aironet 350, which only does
 802.11b.

 1)  I want to have at least a b/g mix, n capable a bonus.

 2)  Must support WEP encryption, but be able to handle a mix of WEP
   
 and
 
 WPA simultaneously.  (WEP for legacy clients that I haven't upgraded)

 3)  Must play nice with Tranzeo CPQ and CPE200.

 You input is helpful.

 TIA,

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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread John Thomas
I know that used to be an issue, but we have been seeing great results 
with Cisco 2960 series switches.

John


RickG wrote:
 Cisco makes great routers but their switches suck. They have port
 compatability issues with other equipment.

 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote:

   
 There are tons of great Cisco Switches going for cheap on the secondary
 markets in that price range and port density...

 I think the orignial poster of the email thread was looking for something
 small, hardend, low power for outdoor application.


 Faisal Imtiaz
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 Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jayson Baker
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 PM
 To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24, 48
 ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them.
 I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually.

 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 wrote:

 
 BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches
   
 ?
 
 Thanks.


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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Nick Olsen
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G

 I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll
 think about it answer.

 1. Ability to label ports
 2. Ability to label vlans
 3. Ability to disable a port

 All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of
 memory/firmware size to implement.

 In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a
 awesome switch.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
 To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
 General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 There are several classes of VLAN switches.

 I'll use SMC as an example...

 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are
 very

 intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label
 each

 port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
 Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done.
 But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy
 to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients.
 They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches
 and end location switches.

 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything
 with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well
 for dual

 purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch.
 They

 lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable
 or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN
 functionality is enabled by making it aware.
 It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config,
 because

 the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

 SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are
 functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN
 switches as described in #2 above.
 But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which
 give

 them a step up over other basic web switch products.
 Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports,
 possibly SPF

 ports.

 I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost,
 that

 had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be
 labled in software.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

   
 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit,
 Management
 
 is
   
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be 

Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5

2009-11-10 Thread John Thomas
How about

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetailproductId=69899-1267-FO550Mlpage=none

where the dogs can reach it?

John

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going
 from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times.

  

 Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got
 one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a
 different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. 

  

 I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog..

  

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com

  

  

  



 
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Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

2009-10-27 Thread John Thomas
Sometimes, you can contact the carriers and they will install repeaters 
for their clients.

John


jp wrote:
 I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel at home and it works great to bring 
 cellular into my home which is otherwise a dead-zone.

 Now, since we're the local gurus of all thing wireless, one of our 
 customers is wanting something comparable for a larger area in an rf 
 unfriendly building (large metal building with various metal additions). 
 It may be necessary to have multiple cellular boosters to provide the 
 indoor coverage they need. I'm studying the various brands at Tessco, 
 and they include the wi-ex series, Wilson, and Digital Antenna Inc.

 Seems these are amps, do I need to be concerned about feedback between 
 systems if these are within earshot of each other? I know the outdoor 
 antenna has to be sufficiently isolated from the indoor antenna to 
 provide the gain, which shouldn't be a problem based on the type of 
 construction. Has anyone does a project like this?


   




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Re: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right tobar telecommunicationstowers

2009-10-27 Thread John Thomas
There are several of these on I80 and Hwy 50 in Northern CA. These silly 
things cost like $40,000 to sort of look like a tree

John

Tom Sharples wrote:
 We spotted several on a recent road-trip around the Sacramento area. Looked 
 like the world's worst fake Christmas tree from Walmart!

 Tom S.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right tobar 
 telecommunicationstowers


   
 You can find a lot of fake palm trees in Las Vegas for similar reasons 
 that
 if they didn't hide the towers then they couldn't put up any more. Drive
 north towards Nellis airforce base on I-15 on the left side along the rail
 road tracks one of the palms is not a real palm. There are plenty others
 around that I seen on different smaller roads.

 Cities wants cell phones and good coverage but many starts to be sticklers
 about letting the towers go up to give this coverage. T-mobile and ATT 
 had
 a very long outdrawn fight to be able to install the towers they needed 
 in
 Pittsburg to get the coverage required. They ended up having to share 
 tower
 but even then it was not easy for then. Sister town Frontenac expedited
 their request on the other hand. The differences between cities politics 
 and
 building approvals can be very different (one reason we are now located in
 Frontenac instead of Pittsburg because Frontenac bent over backwards to 
 make
 us happy and get us going while with both Pittsburg as well the county
 everything we wanted threw up red flags).

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Greg
 Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:19 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right to bar
 telecommunicationstowers

 The town of Saddle River NJ fought the phone company and they reached an
 agreement - the phone company decorated the tower with fake evergreen
 branches. The tower looks like a big pine tree. If you're ever driving on
 Rt. 17 look at the big pine tree right next to the highway at the Saddle
 River exit.

 Greg

 On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Jeff Broadwick
 jeffl...@comcast.netwrote:

 
 After all, travel is often as much about the journey as it is about the
 destination.

 WOW?!?!

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:48 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right to bar
 telecommunicationstowers

 http://www.benton.org/outgoingframe/29127


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Re: [WISPA] MT Lamer question

2009-10-27 Thread John Thomas
Is there any reason that you want those IP addresses accessing your box 
at all?
You can probably block several /8's and make things work better.

John


Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
 Lamer question-
 I have a MT box we use for a public hotspot and logs reveal folks are trying 
 to hack the password (from WAN, not actual customers) - IPs trace back to 
 China and stuff.. anyhow - is there an easy way to implement a temporary (12 
 hour) or so ban on an IP after x attempts?  Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread John Thomas
I just got a quote today from a HE reseller for the HE facility in 
Fremont CA
$599 cabinet with 15 amps
$699 cabinet with 15 amps and 20 Megabits/sec
$899 cabinet with 15 amps and 100 megabits/sec

John


Tom DeReggi wrote:
 HE even has $1250 GEs
 

 Wow, is that transport or transit?

 Yeah, 2 months ago, we were going to get an Abovenet transport to Hurricain 
 transit because Hurricane's market low pricing, but then Equinix started 
 giving us a hard time on colo, trying to charge us more for the colo than 
 both the transport and transit links combined, so we pulled the plug on the 
 order.

 Hurricaine had the $2 /mb on GIg-E as long as also do IPv6 w/ IPv4. But 
 where HE did better is they also gave good pricing on the low capacity 
 commits. That makes it cost effective to give HE a try, before going all 
 out, provided you're in a colo they are at.

 We also found a couple providers that had some really cool programs like you 
 commit to a monthly dollar figure, but could accept the bandwdith from any 
 Equinix facility or distributed between several of them, and move the 
 capacity on the fly to either location. It was  great option for someone 
 wanting to expand nationwide, but not knowing where sales will develop first 
 more.
 But it also allowed Gig-E pricing without having to pay for GIg-E in 
 multiple locations.

 Its to bad its at Equinix though, cause a lot of teh value proposition got 
 killed once transport added to it to get out to remote cell site, or 
 Equinix's clueless overcharging of antenna roof space.
 Again its really sad when someone tried to charge more for an antenna 
 position than a GIg-E fiber link.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams


   
 Not to you, but to the thread:

 Cogent isn't even the low cost leader anymore.

 PCCW is often cheaper as is HE.

 HE even has $1250 GEs and $400 FEs.


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 --
 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:17 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

 
 Brad,

 Once again I disagree.

 Cogent represents themselves as  low cost, but they have never 
 represented
 themselves as low quality.

 Second, Cogent is most ideal as the FIRST PRIMARY provider, because 
 Cogent
 is higher performing, and faster speed connections are more affordable.
 I agree, a backup secondary provider is needed to help when there are
 short
 outages. The backup providers dont need to be as high a capacity, or as
 quality, as they are seldom used exempt in the rare emergencies.

 Third, What determines how inexpensive a Transit provider is has nothing
 to
 do with Quality, it has to do with who has more settlement free peers.
 Cogent costs less, because Cogent has to pay fewer other ISPs for
 capacity.  This DOES NOT mean they use low quality public peering, it
 means
 that they have more quality private peering negotiated at better terms.

   
 Bottom line is any carrier can break
 
 That, I agree with.  Which is why its important to have two upstreams.
 But,
 that is not a reason to not buy Cogent first.
 By buying Cogent first it allows a provider to become more profitable
 sooner, and therefore able to afford sooner multiple upstreams.

 Its also depends on what the downstream offers in its value proposition.
 With Cogent, I offer my custoemrs Gig-E when others can offer 100mb.
 With Cogent, I can offer my customers half the price, if not 1/3rd the
 price
 that my tier2 competitiors can offer.
 With Cogent, I offer excellent performance, better than most, most of the
 time, and if they get an outage so what.
 Is it really better to have less good performance all the time, to gain
 .009
 better uptime?
 That depends on the target client base of the WISP.

 You also got another thing right... I am largely dependant on Cogent, and
 I
 hate that.  But its relevent to ask why I'm dependant? When I first
 started
 out, it was because of price, but not anymore. I'm dependant on Cogent
 because its really hard to find a Tier1 Carrier that can offer anywhere
 near
 as equivellent consistent performance and tech support. My customers
 really
 noticed, everytime I tried someone else, so someone else never lastest.

 Note that I did not say uptime, I said performance.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams


   
 While I agree no solution can be considered equal in 

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-05 Thread John Thomas
Cisco's 1242's are certified for 5.4-5.7 GHz. Could you use Cisco APs' 
and Mikrotik clients?

John


Randy Cosby wrote:
 I know the mikrotik R52N card is.. I was so excited...

 Until I read closer.  It's certified as a client device, but not as an 
 AP.  The AP has to do all the heavy DFS/TPC lifting :(

 Randy


 jp wrote:
   
 I'll send one lucky winner $30 paypal if they can show me within a week 
 the M series is 5.4 certified via an FCC document.

 On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 09:18:30PM -0400, Gino Villarini wrote:
   
 
 Where?

 This is the FCC cert for the M5 Rocket

 http://tinyurl.com/yaolxlj

 its only certified for 5.8 ghz AND get this, for PTMP its only certified
 with 6db omnis . so how come they are selling sectors for them .

 Show me where its certified for 5.4, ill send you a $100 paypal

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:42 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

 Actually, their new M series has 5.4 GHz certification.


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 Mike Hammett
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 --
 From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
 Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:42 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

 
   
 On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:08:02PM -0400, David Hulsebus wrote:
   
 
 I have used 411 AP's with XR5 cards and NS5L's with good success in
 small subdivision projects. 1/2 to 1 mile using 5M channels running
 
   
 G,
 
   
 mostly horizontal. We lock the rates lower than 54 if we see any CCQ
 numbers consistently below 66%. We've had our best success at 36MB.
 Lowering not raising the power in most cases improves our CCQ. But
 again, we're mostly within a half mile. We don't have a sector
 
   
 broader
 
   
 than 90 deg, run mostly 5.4 on the AP and 5.7 on our backhauls. One
 
   
 site
 
   
 Dave Hulsebus
 
   
 I'm curious what you use that is cheap and legal for 5.4 APs? I know
 that nothing UBNT makes is legal for 5.4 use in the US. Not being a
 frequency nazi, just looking for something legal for me to use.

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Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread John Thomas
Is there any reason you can't mount the panels close to the ground? In 
Nevada, this is common practice.

Can you setup a small windmill? Home Depot has these ( as do many other 
suppliers)
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xr5/R-100658295/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1storeId=10051catalogId=10053

400 watts rated.

John


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 H.  Note to self.  Build good mounts, but make them so that they 
 collapse in high winds instead of breaking.

 Thanks for the tip Bill!
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Bill Prince part...@skylinebroadbandservice.com
 To: Principal WISPA Member List w...@wispa.org
 Cc: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 
 isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [Wisp] [WISPA] solar site


   
 IMO 24 hours is not enough reserve.  In our area, we have many occasions
 when there is not enough sun for several days running.  I would plan on
 at least 100 hours reserve; more if you are more conservative.

 Another issue is storm damage.  Two years ago we lost the panels on a
 solar-powered site because of hurricane-force winds.  One of the panels
 only flew about 100 feet from the tower, and was not damaged
 electrically.  The other panel went 200 yards, and was damaged pretty
 badly.  We put the surviving panel back up in 3 days (we had to build a
 new mount, as the old one was completely destroyed).  Still, the site
 never went down because we built a week reserve into the batteries.

 We emergency-ordered a replacement panel, and got it less than a week
 later.  We were able to operate on that one panel for the intervening
 time.  We weren't completely charging the batteries, but there was
 enough reserve to limp along for the time we were down one panel.

 YMMV


 Bill Prince
 Skyline Broadband Service
 (a division of Coastal Sierra)
 650-917-9279



 Scott Parsons wrote:
 
 Hi Marlon, Long time...

 Voltage 12V
 Power Consumption: MT 4 watts, 2 Radio cards 8 watts
 Total= 12 watts @ 12V

 We have a handy calculator at
 http://tyconpower.com/learning_center/learning_center.htm

 I've attached the results. I used 4 hours of sun for your location based 
 on
 another post I saw.
 I used 24 hours extra battery capacity. You may want to increase or 
 decrease
 this depending on the reliability of the sun in your area.

 You need 73 watts minimum solar panel capacity
 You need at least 88 Ah in battery capacity

 This is bigger than the stuff we offer right now but here's a starting 
 list:

 1. 85W solar panel - You should be able to get for about $350 or less

 2. 12V 8A Solar Controller - You should be able to get for $60 or less

 3. 100Ah battery - You don't need a deep discharge type because the solar
 controller will disconnect the load when the battery voltage reaches 
 11.1V
 which protects the battery from over discharge. You just need a type that
 has good performance in cold weather. You should be able to pick up a
 battery for less than $200

 4. You'll need a mount for the solar panels try here:
 http://power-fab.com/products.htm They make all kinds of mounts. I'm not
 sure the cost.

 5. You'll need a vented outdoor enclosure if you are putting the battery
 inside. I've seen people put the battery in one of those plastic battery
 cases you see in small power boats and then the enclosure requirements 
 for
 the controller and electronics becomes easy. We have suitable enclosures 
 for
 $70 14x10x5 Polycarbonate outdoor enclosure

 6. Wiring is quite simple.

 Any decent vendor will warranty the panels for 20-25 years and the solar
 controller for 1 year.

 Regards,
 Scott


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Cc: Principal WISPA Member List; isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
 Subject: [WISPA] solar site

 Hi All,

 Sorry for the cross post.  Time is short on this project and I need a lot 
 of

 help.

 I've never done a solar project.  Never really even looked at them due to
 the costs I've seen tossed about.

 Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment
 needed to cover his community.  The ONLY way into the area is a hill 
 that's
 within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power.

 I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for this
 site.  One backhaul and 1 distribution.  I'll guess that I'll have less 
 than

 a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality).

 We don't often get long periods of no sun.  Could be days of fog or low
 clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun.  On the foggy 
 or
 cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind 
 generation.
 I think.

 So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors 
 welcome!)
 and anything else I'm missing.

 Thanks all!
 marlon



 

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread John Thomas
Absolutely, 12, 24, or 48 volts depending on what you are trying to do.

John


Paul Rice wrote:
 I'd recommend you use either a unmanaged or managed industrial DC powered 
 switch 12-20 vdc
 otherwise your going to need a LOT of solar panels (650 watts is what my 
 calcs came up with)
 In fact eliminate all 120 AC from your outdoor install for the best results 
 to save money on smaller solar rigs.

 Paul

 --
 From: Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:09 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site

   
 Yikes, that is daunting.

 Is that the site your putting in, or your example site?

 --
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site

 
 120

 - Original Message - 
 From: Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site


   
 Hey Marlon

 is that 1.8 amps at 120VAC or 1.8 amps at 12VDC?

 volts x amps = watts
 the precise nominal and max watts that is the real factor determining 
 the
 size of the power system needed
 the difference is 25 watts or 250 watts :)
 CostCo has a solar panel + charger + frame that would work for 25 watts,
 I
 think

 500 is good price, since your able to access it easily, it shouldn't be
 much
 of risk.

 --
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site

 
 Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar 
 system
 good enough for our radios these days?

 Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors!
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site


   
 I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00
 charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built
 my own.  So far, the fully charged light comes on every day.  The
 battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week.  Might
 not be the club way to do it, but it works.

 Mike

 At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote:
 
 Hi All,

 Sorry for the cross post.  Time is short on this project and I need a
 lot
 of
 help.

 I've never done a solar project.  Never really even looked at them due
 to
 the costs I've seen tossed about.

 Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment
 needed to cover his community.  The ONLY way into the area is a hill
 that's
 within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power.

 I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for
 this
 site.  One backhaul and 1 distribution.  I'll guess that I'll have 
 less
 than
 a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality).

 We don't often get long periods of no sun.  Could be days of fog or 
 low
 clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun.  On the 
 foggy
 or
 cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind
 generation.
 I think.

 So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors
 welcome!)
 and anything else I'm missing.

 Thanks all!
 marlon



 
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Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread John Thomas
It looks like there is a sweet spot at 60 watts

http://www.solarhome.org/51-60wattsolarpanels.aspx

About $250 each.

John

Mike wrote:
 I was shocked to find the 15W panels at Northern for $79.00.  I 
 ordered some and they work great.  You need a charge controller, 
 $45.00 to keep the batteries from over charging.  You have to get 
 creative with uni-strut and angle iron to make your own mount, or buy 
 them.  Batteries are the biggest expense.  So to answer your question, yes.


 At 11:29 AM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
   
 Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar system
 good enough for our radios these days?

 Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors!
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Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter?

2009-08-13 Thread John Thomas
Ryan, when you agree to offer service, that becomes your responsibility, 
and when someone is paying for it, they have a reasonable expectation of 
the service they are paying for.
With that said, is it crazy expensive to get a 2 x T-1 where you are? 
Maybe a T-3 is stupid expensive, but if you even had *some* backup 
bandwidth available, you may have saved that client.
I keep seeing people complain about how they can't sell their wireless 
service and make any money. In the San Francisco Bay Area, people pay 
from $250 to $600 per month for a 1.5 - 5 Megabit Business Class 
Wireless Internet connections, and are generally happy to pay for it as 
2 x T-1's tend to run $700 - 1000 per month. With that said, most of 
those companies have multiple redundant upstreams, and they *rarely* 
have problems.

 Towerstream spells it out on their web page

http://www.towerstream.com/index.asp?ref=products_faq

Hide Answer
Q: Is TowerStream a residential ISP?
A:
TowerStream is a business internet provider. Our smallest connection is 
$256 a month; if you need business-class service at your residence, 
please contact our sales team






Ryan Ghering wrote:
 Actually we maintain pretty good transparency with our clients, we did let
 them know it was a qwest issue, and even went as far as giving the customer
 the qwest trouble ticket number if the wanted it. We also updated the
 customers each time if we got any ETA information. We NEVER leave the
 customer in the dark. Also how is it MY fault that I can't find affordable
 redundant upstream?
 Where is that cost gona come from? You think my customers are gona pay
 double so that I can get a 2nd upstream in here?
 Hell no.. Customers only want a few things. As much bandwidth as they can
 get, 100 % uptime and it all has to be for 25 bucks a month or less.

 Now thats keeping it real..

 Nobody can tell me that they honestly will by a 10,000 to 15,000 dollar
 secondary pipe if their business won't support it without passing that cost
 to the customer. Its not only stupid but bad business. Customers today,
 don't care WHO's fault it is, fact is the ISP is blamed for ANY problem.
 Hell we have a older couple that blames us everytime that epson updates
 drivers for their printer and it stops working, because the update was done
 over my internet.

 Its lets get real time.. If you are a WISP or ISP in BFE. Costs are higher
 profit margins are way lower and redundant connections are REALLY costly and
 hard to come by. So who loose's here due to LEC stupidity? (which we found
 out is what it was btw) the ISP.. We always loose as its always our fault.
 No matter what the problem we are at fault.

 Last week we had a major hail storm, Thankfully only a few canopy units were
 damaged. However 2 of those customers had the same opinion.. How come you
 can't protect these things better. Why do I have to be without service for a
 day because your gear is made faulty.

 Is this my fault? NO its Motorola's for putting the quality hardware that
 never fails that we love so much, in a crappy plastic casing.

 Thats reality..

 Ryan

 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

   
 Actually, I disagree with your example.

 You let your customer down, not Qwest.
 Did you route them out your secondary transit? If you didn;t have one,
 thats
 not the customer's faught.
 Did you let him know that you are trying to contact Quest yourself to get
 more information on an ETA, and influence a work around?
 Did he feel you were in control of the situation? Or did you leave him to
 fend for himself, even though you were the expert on the technology?

 Sending the message, oh well, its down, not my problem, let all my own
 customers suffer, so what is not taking care of your clients.
 If you had communicated with your client making him feel like you were
 working towards defending his interests, he never would have took action
 into his own hands and called Qwest directly to investigate further, and
 get
 false answers.

 So yes, Customers can be irrational, often unfair and unforgiving, but if
 you want to keep your clients its up to you to deal with it and take care
 of
 them.
 Who's faught it is, is irrelevent. Customer Service is about taking care of
 the customer.

 I just lost a customer 2 weeks ago. Power went out AGAIN! It keeps blowing
 breakers on electrical panels not under my controll or access.  I can put
 UPSes there all day, but that does no good if breakers turn off upstream of
 my electrical Demarc.  But DSL, CABLE, and Cellular EVDO didn't go out
 every
 time the property had power failures.  It was my faught that I designed a
 business install to be behind an electric  breaker that was outside my
 control to manage.  If I did my job and took care of the client, I would
 have called the power company or property management and redesign an
 alternate solution, after the first couple of times the power went out.
  But
 I didn't.  Yes, I lost the 

Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator

2009-08-13 Thread John Thomas
Is this some place you could put some batteries and a solar panel or 
small windmill?

John


Jerry Richardson wrote:
 Thank you,
 That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. 

 A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be far 
 less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ 24VDC.

 Thanks again
 Jerry


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Gary Garrett
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator

 Small generators do not auto start very reliably.
 When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat and 
 burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, 
 propane can flood and need to rest before trying again, diesel can be 
 REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing 
 conditions.
 Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. (1955 
 Model)
 The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times. Everything is 
 adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the 
 Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a 
 huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended.

 You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not 
 starting and get it fixed.

 Jerry Richardson wrote:
   
 We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does not 
 start reliably.

 Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power a 
 CMMmicro - ~100watts.

 Thanks



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Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator

2009-08-13 Thread John Thomas
Unless your equipment is tolerant of voltage swings, you will still 
probably want a DC-DC regulator, but that will likely be more efficient 
than a 12/24volt to 120 volt inverter.

John


Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wrote:
 Hi Guys...I'd steer away from inverters since they soak up a lot of 
 power. You might want to look at some solar stuff with some of the AGM 
 batteries Marlon mentioned in another thread. Run everything @ 24V is 
 good that way you don't need any dc-dc converters.

 Leon

 * os10ru...@gmail.com wrote, On 8/2/2009 3:27 PM:
 You might want something like an inverter (Xantrex for example) 
 which  includes a DC to AC inverter, battery charger, and automatic 
 transfer  switch. Add the batteries and you're done.

 Greg

 On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

  
 Thank you,
 That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a  
 UPS.

 A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less  
 and be far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the  
 batteries @ 24VDC.

 Thanks again
 Jerry


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  On Behalf Of Gary Garrett
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator

 Small generators do not auto start very reliably.
 When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat  
 and
 burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines,
 propane can flood and need to rest before trying again, diesel 
 can  be
 REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing
 conditions.
 Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase.  
 (1955
 Model)
 The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times.  
 Everything is
 adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the
 Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a
 huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended.

 You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not
 starting and get it fixed.

 Jerry Richardson wrote:

 We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it  
 does not start reliably.

 Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need  
 to power a CMMmicro - ~100watts.

 Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up

2009-08-13 Thread John Thomas
Are you willing to setup a server for their backups?
For home users, Mozy charges $4.95 per month. If you setup your own 
backup server, you would have the initial expense of a server with big 
drive space, but you could charge $4.95 and at least save money on your 
upstream bandwidth.

John

Mike wrote:
 In my heart, I know you are right.  The nature of our business is we 
 buy bandwidth wholesale, and then resell it to others who can't 
 afford to buy dedicated bandwidth.  We factor an oversubscription 
 rate, and count on bursty, short lived traffic from users that share 
 the bandwidth.

 If I could afford to add bandwidth so everybody could maintain a 500 
 kbps connection for days on end, then I would.  But the economics are 
 I pay $350.00 for my first MB and $250.00 for each additional.  So a 
 person using the system for backup is utilizing a $175.00 resource 
 for $42.40 a month; IF the back-up software only uses 500 kbps, and 
 I've seen them surge way over that.

 So, two people running Mosy hog a Meg or more of a precious 
 resource.  Four of them, and they've used a couple MB or more.  I'm 
 sure you get the point.

 I do have a Netequalizer in place with fairness rules that will 
 penalize those packets, because they are long duration IF and when 
 the network gets near capacity.  So, they get penalized, and grandma 
 downloading pictures from her grand kids also gets penalized, even 
 though her use is bursty and infrequent, just because there is not 
 enough overhead on the pipe BECAUSE of the long duration back-up users.

 Without the Netequalizer, just a few of these users would bring my 
 network to its knees.

 I am beginning to think Mosy and their ilk belong in the same camp as 
 Netflix and the P2Pers.

 Mike

 At 05:51 AM 8/13/2009, you wrote:
   
 Mike wrote:
 
 Seems wrong too that a company can make money off using MY bandwidth
 for hours on end with no compensation.
   
 You are getting compensated, by your customer, so now it isn't really
 your bandwidth, but theirs. The customer is paying you to transport
 data, be it pictures of kittens, a HDD backup, or something else. If the
 terms of your contract are such that you can't support this usage, then
 you should probably look at changing the terms of the contract.

 However, I would think that it would be pretty easy to look at the flows
 and put throttling rules in place that limit Carbonite/Mozy/xyz traffic
 when there is congestion.

 Josh


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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Support

2009-07-27 Thread John Thomas
To be fair, I wonder how much larger Cogent is than Dragonwave?
Someone has to pay the engineer's salary, and it costs to have a 24/7 
support staff.

I always find it interesting to see people's perspective's on support.

John

Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Well, when I really needed support for Dragonwave, 3-DB Networks (Daniel 
 White) was the man. (even though he's in sales)
 So I'm saying, you can also rely on the channel.

 As for Dragonwave direct support, during business hours I had found them to 
 be helpful, and I have respect for their engineer's skill sets. And 24x7 
 support is an option for REAL Emergencies.
 But, I tried calling the 24x7 support twice (not crazy hours), and I got a 
 call back promptly both times, and they answered my questions. BUT they made 
 me feel so guilty for calling, I'm not sure I'll ever call it again.  And 
 support was rushed, and to the minimum level needed to get me going.  Be 
 prepared for the typical, you sure have better read the manual thouroughly 
 before wasting their time on Sunday, and better have justification that its 
 important.  It is NOT regular support given 24/7.  Its page someone at home 
 24x7, when they don't really want to be disturbed, but they'll take the 
 call, if its important.  I'm not complaining, I'm very thankful I had an 
 option to call them on Sunday.  I'm just setting realistic expectations.

 Compare that to Cogent Communcations support. You can call them at 3am in 
 the morning, and get an experienced CISCO certified engineer, to help you do 
 just about anything. And they welcome your call, because they have a full 
 night crew there waiting for work. Its a whole nother level of 24x7 support.

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 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:52 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave Support


   
 Just curious what everyone's experience with Dragonwave support has been.
 Do they answer e-mail/phone calls promptly?  Is their support 24/7?  Is
 the product so good you just don't know because you've never contacted 
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Re: [WISPA] Sales Lead Zip code 95008

2009-07-20 Thread John Thomas
Is Covadwireless out of their price range?

John

Jerry Richardson wrote:
 Name
 Ray

 Email
 r_a_...@yahoo.com

 Phone
 408-421-2100

 Your message: Do you guys cover 95008 zip code for wireless internet? if not 
 any suggestions who does?


 
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Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

2009-07-15 Thread John Thomas
Please see my responses inline

Jeremy Parr wrote:
 2009/7/14 David E. Smith d...@mvn.net:
   
 Don Grossman wrote:
 
 It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution.  Currently we
 are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the
 box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be
 resolved.  Barracuda is helpful but like to point at other things like
 DNS and unrelated stuff.  In the end they log into the box after
 wasting time so something to kick the box and we are good for an
 undetermined amount of time.
   
 What kind of problems were/are you having with your Barracudas? On the
 (exceedingly rare) occasion that ours do anything odd, rebooting them
 almost always clears it up.
 

 I've had them get overwhelmed with mail, and the solutions was to wait
 for their support to connect in and clear the logs. I could have
 done that myself!
   
I have a client that was taking 60,000 + messages a day and his 300 
wasn't even breathing hard. We had another client whose Barracuda 300 
*tried* to take 100,000 messages in an hour. That took Barracuda 
Networks logging in to clear up as 99% of them were SPAM and virii.


 What pushed me over the edge, was a failed hard drive. I was running a
 Spam Firewall 300, which yes, I know, is not a RAIDed config. (which
   
 is another rabbit hole to go down, considering the box is $3k+)
Hard drives fail, that is why there is RAID. Yes, the 400 is more 
expensive, but then it is a much better fit for an ISP than a 300.
The Barracuda 300 *lists* at $1,999. The hardware replacement is $449 
per year and the updates are $499 per year.

  and
 the hard drive started to throw errors. The problem, was that these
 errors were not evident to us as the admins of the machine. None of
 the Barracuda logs indicated any sort of issue. The box got slower and
 slower, until one day, it refused to pass mail. When tech support took
 a look, they exclaimed that the hard drive had been throwing errors
 for quite some time, any now it was too late, the box was dead.

 Their solution always worked very well, and I didn't need to think
 about it. Until it blew up without telling anyone it planned to.
   
I have seen a few of them fail, but never one doing like you are talking 
about. Usually, they stop passing email, then Barracuda logs in and 
calls them dead and ships a replacement.

John


 
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Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

2009-07-15 Thread John Thomas
I know of Barracudas that the only time they get rebooted is for 
firmware updates.
They can run for months without a reboot, but usually the firmware 
updates have useful stuff in 3-6 months that requires a firmware upgrade.

John


Charles Wyble wrote:
 David E. Smith wrote:

   
 What kind of problems were/are you having with your Barracudas? On the 
 (exceedingly rare) occasion that ours do anything odd, rebooting them 
 almost always clears it up.
 

 One should NEVER have to reboot a mail server, outside of a kernel 
 upgrade (and even then one can use ksplice).

 I'm sorry but that's a pathetic resolution process.

 I have mail/web/dns servers with years of uptime. They sit there and 
 just work. RAID + UPS = 100% uptime.










 
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Re: [WISPA] POE Switch box

2009-07-15 Thread John Thomas
Yes, but Cisco switches only do Cisco Prestandard and 802.3af 48 volt.

John


Charles Wyble wrote:
 On a cisco poe enabled switch can't you just do

 conf t
 interface Gig0/0
 shutdown
 no shutdown
 done

 to power cycle?

 Lots of resellers out there.


 Jason Hensley wrote:
   
 Looking for recommendations on a 10+ port POE switch that will do up to
 24volt.  Prefer remote manageable with options to switch power on and off
 per port (remote reboot per port).

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Re: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff

2009-07-01 Thread John Thomas
I don't know about those, but Frontbridge got blacklisted once and they 
are an anti-spam provider

John


George Rogato wrote:
 How come Google, Yahoo, and Live.com don't get black listed.
 I'm pretty sure 1 million times more spam comes out of those domains 
 than any small independent isp's ...



 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
   
 Hi All,

 What are you guys doing for email these days?  I LOVE my setup for it's 
 reliability, ease of use etc.

 Hacked customer accounts and virus's are killing me though.  We don't catch 
 things until 100,000s of messages go out and we get black listed.  This has 
 now happened 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years.

 My server admins aren't coming up with a solution to this other than to 
 limit cc's to 25 per message.  We did that once before and my phone rang off 
 the hook because people can't send jokes to their friends.

 The other thing that makes it hard is that the log files that I get (up to 
 40 megs per day!) don't list the authenticated sender, only the reply 
 address.  So I see tens of thousands of messages from a user that's not even 
 mine (faked info).  sigh

 We use Courier MTA.

 My thought is to set the server to allow a max of 1000 messages per day per 
 user.  And to somehow make the log file ONLY send me the number of messages 
 received per a user, and the number sent, user name and ip addy of all those 
 sending.  Twice now I've asked about that idea and gotten no response from 
 the server admins.

 Suggestions?

 laters,
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Re: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff

2009-07-01 Thread John Thomas
http://www.mxlogic.com/services/email-filtering/index.cfm

they have done good by us.

John


George Rogato wrote:
 Wonder how much it is.
 Says it's based on qty of email addresses.



 RickG wrote:
   
 Cost?

 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Pat O'Connorp...@inlandnet.com wrote:
 
 We're switching to this over this weekend.

 http://www.redcondor.com/products/appliances.htm





 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
   
 One of the things I've done in the spam war is to use something called 
 ASSP,
 which is just Anti Spam SMTP Proxy.

 It does a passable job of prevening inbound spam, and it prevents anyone 
 not
 on my network from sending mail out through my server, via firewall rules
 put on the server.

 You can use a similar setup to have your customer's emails filtered 
 outbound
 through something like this.It can also be placed on alternate ports 
 and
 using firewall rules, prevent any cust omer from sending mail directly out.

 I haven't needed to do that, at least not yet.

 ASSP, when run on the mail server machine itself, can also act as an
 authentication and filtering of outbound emails.




 
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 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:33 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff



 
 Hi All,

 What are you guys doing for email these days?  I LOVE my setup for it's
 reliability, ease of use etc.

 Hacked customer accounts and virus's are killing me though.  We don't
 catch
 things until 100,000s of messages go out and we get black listed.  This
 has
 now happened 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years.

 My server admins aren't coming up with a solution to this other than to
 limit cc's to 25 per message.  We did that once before and my phone rang
 off
 the hook because people can't send jokes to their friends.

 The other thing that makes it hard is that the log files that I get (up to
 40 megs per day!) don't list the authenticated sender, only the reply
 address.  So I see tens of thousands of messages from a user that's not
 even
 mine (faked info).  sigh

 We use Courier MTA.

 My thought is to set the server to allow a max of 1000 messages per day
 per
 user.  And to somehow make the log file ONLY send me the number of
 messages
 received per a user, and the number sent, user name and ip addy of all
 those
 sending.  Twice now I've asked about that idea and gotten no response from
 the server admins.

 Suggestions?

 laters,
 marlon



 
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Re: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router

2009-06-25 Thread John Thomas
If you are ONLY going to route, no NAT, firewall or other stuff, then a 
Cisco 871 will do what you want. We have tested it at wirespeed.

John


Alan Long wrote:
 Anyone have a suggestion for a dual ethernet port router, that can handle
 30-50mb/s of traffic. I do not need it to do nat or anything like that, just
 need it to route..I have looked at a cisco 2811..but know there are other
 options..Thanks for any help.

  





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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-23 Thread John Thomas
You might also consider a Cisco 800 or 1800 series router. They do 
firewalls well and have a nice GUI.

John

Patrick D.. Nix, Jr wrote:
 Any suggestions on a good linux firewall distro.  I'm looking at either
 implementing this or going with an older Cisco PIX 525.  Which would be
 the best way to go?  Something with a nice GUI would be good

  

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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-23 Thread John Thomas
Other opinions about Magic Jack

http://uninstallmagicjack.com/?p=5

John


Chuck Profito wrote:
 That's is what I remember from the list.  Once it was in, a 'normal'
 subscriber couldn't get it out, and they, MJ, had a subscriber installed,
 and agreed to, OPEN Back Door to any computer it was installed on!   We
 have a lot of subs with these, and I mention it to them, but they don't seem
 to get it.  Scary stuff 

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 cprof...@cv-access.com 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:32 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

 There is some icky stuff in the EULA and apparently there is no way to
 remove it automatically...have to go to the registers to do it properly.

 Jeff
  

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:21 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

 I played with it a while back.  Very good stuff, just needs number
 portability and a little better support.  I know someone who spent nearly
 two days to pay their bill...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.netwrote:

   
 Who owns Magic Jack?



 Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 Summary:

 Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.

 *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you
   
 already
 
 have and its own voicemail.

 Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by 
 the economy.  Then the world.
 *
 *Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, 
 however improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:

   
 George Rogato wrote:
 
 http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
   
 Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their 
 announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number 
 portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.

 Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.

 (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the 
 article instead of making everyone click.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net




 
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

2009-06-23 Thread John Thomas
Here is some info

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/secursw/ps5318/index.html

John




Josh Luthman wrote:
 Wait pictures of this GUI???

 On 6/23/09, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:
   
 You might also consider a Cisco 800 or 1800 series router. They do
 firewalls well and have a nice GUI.

 John

 Patrick D.. Nix, Jr wrote:
 
 Any suggestions on a good linux firewall distro.  I'm looking at either
 implementing this or going with an older Cisco PIX 525.  Which would be
 the best way to go?  Something with a nice GUI would be good



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-04 Thread John Thomas
Cisco 2960G-24's are an option too.

John


Jon Auer wrote:
 I second that. We use 7200s trunked to, variously, 3500XLs, 3550s, and
 Zyxel switches.
 For gig ports go with a NPE-G1/G2 for routing and a 3560 as a port expander.
 Dot1q subinterfaces are your friend.

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
   
 Switch and vlan


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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
 Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:06 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

 Even if I go to a NPE-G1 or G2 I still need a total of 5 ports.

 1 for inbound connection.
 2 for outbound to radios that serve different towers
 1 for local network of servers etc.
 1 for colo customer.

 How do I add those other two ports?


 Randy Cosby wrote:
 
 Which NPE are you using?

 Randy

 Matt Jenkins wrote:
   
 I have a 7204VXR router as my core. I am looking at upgrading from a
 100mb ethernet to a gigE. I am having a really hard time find out how
 
 I can add gigabit ethernet (via RJ-45 connectors) to this router. I
 have two spare slots of expansion cards but I cannot find a card that
 
 does gig. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

 Thanks,

 - Matt


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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?

2009-06-04 Thread John Thomas
If you guys want to bash Cisco, that's your perogative, but my 
experience has been somewhat different. We recently took on a new client 
that has some Cisco switches that their old VAR sols them 5 YEARs of 
Smartnets on. Since we are looking at them upgrading to some new 
equipment, we asked Cisco if they would be willing to do something for 
the client, and they said yes, they are willing to credit them for 
existing Smartnets to the new equipment.

John


Rogelio wrote:
 Mike Hammett wrote:
   
 Agreed.  I don't intend on buying anything Cisco.  Over priced, under 
 performing, and their we will screw you whether you like it or not 
 policies.  No thanks, someone else, please.
 

 One of my clients (a big cable company) just bought hundreds of 
 thousands of dollars of Cisco gear, only to find that it's going to be 
 end of life in just a few months.

 Their Cisco rep royally screwed them on that one, and when they 
 complained, they got nowhere and have since started to move to other 
 vendors.

 Another client of mine in the City of San Jose is really careful about 
 buying anything Cisco-related after a big Cisco scandal a few years ago. 
Apparently they tried to move some Cisco gear at the 11th hour into 
 some big proposal, and it went over like a fart in church when people 
 found out (it was a VoIP install, if I remember right). Now they use 
 Nortel, NOT Cisco.

 It is my experience that Cisco reps are pretty brazen about their antics.


 
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[WISPA] Service Limits

2009-05-20 Thread John Thomas
I realize that is the way it is supposed to happen, but that hasn't 
happened here.
We have Office space in Bishop Ranch, San Ramon CA. We are not allowed 
in the MPOE, and apparently others aren't either. We have been able to 
get T-1s pulled in, and then we gave handed the authorized personnel the 
other end of our Cat 5 to punch down and connect our Service Providers 
T-1's. When we asked Time Warner about the fiber, they sent us a map, 
showing fiber at the sidewalk, less than 100 feet away, and they claimed 
that Bishop Ranch wouldn't lt them in the MPOE, so they couldn't 
deliver. Maybe someone has bogus information?

John


Mike Hammett wrote:
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 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a few people to run a bandwidth test 
 tomeplease... As they say, your mileage may vary   We have a 2xT1 that 
 we pay $560
   
 per month for, and the routing/peering at TW Telecom is good, but then
 again, we are in the San Francisco Bay Area. If the building owners
 would have let TW Telecom into this buildings MPOE's we would have a 10
 meg fiber circuit and be paying about $700 for it. The fiber is at the
 curb, but Bishop Ranch won't let TW Telecom in

 John


 Matt Liotta wrote:
 
 Personally, I wouldn't go with TW Telecom for bandwidth. They tend to
 be overly pricy and their peering is too selective. In a case where
 the city you are located in doesn't have good peering such as Orlando
 you need to carefully select your upstream. In the case of TW Telecom,
 they have hardly any peers in Atlanta, which is the closest major
 peering point to you. This causes most of your US based traffic to
 flow through Ashburn or Dallas.

 -Matt

 On May 14, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:


   
 Just download a file via http from our web server at
 http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip
 and then
 http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip

 Then email me with how fast each went and a traceroute from you to
 just one
 of the servers please (they take same route).

 If you are not capable of downloading at 20MB on the Internet then
 the data
 is not too useful for me...

 Thank you I appreciate your time and assistance.

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 Brevard Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] I need a few people to run a bandwidth test to me please...

2009-05-19 Thread John Thomas
As they say, your mileage may vary   We have a 2xT1 that we pay $560 
per month for, and the routing/peering at TW Telecom is good, but then 
again, we are in the San Francisco Bay Area. If the building owners 
would have let TW Telecom into this buildings MPOE's we would have a 10 
meg fiber circuit and be paying about $700 for it. The fiber is at the 
curb, but Bishop Ranch won't let TW Telecom in

John


Matt Liotta wrote:
 Personally, I wouldn't go with TW Telecom for bandwidth. They tend to  
 be overly pricy and their peering is too selective. In a case where  
 the city you are located in doesn't have good peering such as Orlando  
 you need to carefully select your upstream. In the case of TW Telecom,  
 they have hardly any peers in Atlanta, which is the closest major  
 peering point to you. This causes most of your US based traffic to  
 flow through Ashburn or Dallas.

 -Matt

 On May 14, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:

   
 Just download a file via http from our web server at
 http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip
 and then
 http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip

 Then email me with how fast each went and a traceroute from you to  
 just one
 of the servers please (they take same route).

 If you are not capable of downloading at 20MB on the Internet then  
 the data
 is not too useful for me...

 Thank you I appreciate your time and assistance.

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] One connection bandwidth=x / 2 commections bandwidth=2x why?

2009-05-11 Thread John Thomas
1 minute 49 seconds from a 100 Meg feed at Hurricane Electric in Fremont CA.

John


Scott Carullo wrote:
 Yes lots of them, from different internet connections as well.  Focusing on 
 customers from BHN connecting to our TW Telecom fiber circuit.  Have not 
 been able to do enough testing outside our network though to be certain.  

 That leads me to a request...  can anyone who reads this that has decent 
 amount of bandwidth (20mb available) download this file and tell me your 
 provider and how fast the transfer was so long as its not being limited on 
 your side.  I should have approx 80MB free bandwidth for this transfer when 
 you run it...

 http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip

 This will help me out a bit...   thanks.   Email me off list if you want 
 with the results...

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
   
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] One connection bandwidth=x / 2 commections 
 
 bandwidth=2x why?
   
 Have you tried with a different PC?

 On 5/11/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote:
 
 Any TCP traffic multiple apps same results

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x102

 On May 11, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net
 wrote:

   
 We ran into something like that when a customer was using his laptop
 to
 generate traffic on a frac DS3 circuit.  The issue was primarily due
 to how
 his application was trying to generate traffic.

 Jeff

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 bandwidth=2x
 why?

 Speed limit per connection?  Or per IP?

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 Scott Carullo wrote:
 
 On our main upstream connection 100mb fiber a speedtest to BHN 
   
 yeilds
   
 about
 
 7MB max when 15 is there...

 Open two connections tcp and now the transfer rate doubles (from 
   
 same
   
 server to same client).

 What would cause this?

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Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-23 Thread John Thomas
My question would be, is there anyone doing glass from the Carrier hotel 
to the edge of town?
If you were able to get fiber on the edge of Spokane, wouldn't it save 
you a few towers?
I wish it weren't top secret as to where the fiber is. Wouldn't it be 
nice to be able to go somewhere ( website) and see who has glass and where?
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if many on this list were within spittin' 
distance of glass.

John

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 It's the economies of it all in so many places.

 Many areas will require the construction of 100+ foot towers.  At what, $10 
 to $20k per tower (complete install), even for a small one that won't hold 
 many antennas.

 Then there are hills, mountains, permitting issues etc.

 I know I can get a fiber connection to Spokane and I can get it fairly 
 cheaply.  But it's still 3 to 4x what I'm paying for my bandwidth today. 
 Just for the loop, forget the cost of data, no matter how cheap, from there.

 I asked Century Tel what it would cost to rent dark fiber from them.  They 
 laughed at me.

 Spokane is only 75 or so miles from here.  But I'd need 1 hop to get out of 
 town, at least 5 or 6 to get to the edge of Spokane, then 2 or 3 more to get 
 down to the telco hotel there.  IF I could even get BW on the roof (probably 
 could but I don't know what the cost per month would be).

 We all look at these options all of the time.  I just got the last bit of 
 hardware that I'll need to link my Grant Co. and Lincoln Co. networks 
 together.  This will give me the ONLY backup link into Odessa.  It'll also 
 give me access to cheaper bandwidth here (after I upgrade to better faster 
 backhauls on all of the towers between the two networks).

 We'll get there eventually.
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:47 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth


   
 Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from
 building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber,
 etc.)?  It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the
 business plan as this is a big MRC.  Don't wait for someone to bring you
 cheap bandwidth...go get it!  :-)

 -Hal



 
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread John Thomas
Unfortunately, the requirements are based on what they think a routing 
slot in the BGP table costs, and they want to keep that manageable.
There has been discussion on the ARIN list about reducing the 
requirement to a /24 for PI space both single and multi homed. The 
thought being that there are probably a lot of people that have a /20 
that only have it because they want PI space and don't want to be locked 
into their ISP.

There is not reason someone couldn't utilize their second T-1, and I am 
not advocating buying it and not using it.
The question becomes, is it worth the money to have a slow connection, 
or no connection at all.
I am not out to start a flame war here. As far as I am concerned, if I 
am a business and I am buying business class service from you, and 
paying business class money for that service, I expect you to have 
redundant upstreams. I do not expect to pay $50 for that service. 
CovadWireless gets $349 per month for business class 1.5 Meg Internet 
access, and they have multiple upstreams.
I realize that this will be argued until the cows come home, but when 
you offer business class service with SLA's you can't do it for $50 per 
month.

Jerry over at Aircloud is doing a 2 meg connection for $179 per month, 
and has been doing right by his clients.

John



Richey wrote:
 Why should you HAVE to pay for something that you really will never use?   I
 read about guys in rural areas that are still paying $700+ for a T1.  Even
 at $500/mo that's a lot of money to spend on something you will never really
 use.You might as well be down if your DS3 takes a hit and your traffic
 rolls over to the T1.

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of John Thomas
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you 
 can legitimately run BGP and multi home?
 You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if 
 necessary.

 I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We have 
 a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 blocks 
 apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* include 
 Internet access, only point to point.

 John

 Richey wrote:
   
 /rant on

 Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market
 where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might get
 
 a
   
 DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
 those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
 connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in
 
 the
   
 beginning.  

 If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give
 you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar
 
 situation
   
 where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate
 any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
 until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.   

 The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
 multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard for
 the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks
 are non portable.

 /rant off

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Cliff Olle
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days
 or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
 only using 4 class Cs?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Piehn
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


 Scott
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


   
 
 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
 you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 
   
 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's 
 and
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread John Thomas
I would tell you to ask the ISP in San Jose about ATT's billing 
practices, but they are no longer in business.
It seems that 1 day they got a bill for some stupid amount of outbound 
minutes for their *inbound only* T-1's and were given hours to pay or 
they would be shut off. They weren't able to react quickly enough and 
ATT pulled the plug. Apparently this has been a common problem as I have 
heard of others in the same boat.

John


Chadd Thompson wrote:
 Been there done that.

 We were getting double billed for about 8 months because they didn't remove
 our billing on some old circuits after they forced us to upgrade from the
 old SBC network. We paid it for a few months because our account rep said it
 would be fixed and they would credit our account for what we over paid. Well
 they didn't get it fixed and we stopped paying it, our account rep assured
 us it was nothing to worry about and that it would be taken care of. Well 8
 months later the ATT collections dept was calling me saying they were going
 to turn us over to an outside collection agency. A quick call to my account
 rep and then one to the IL commerce commission had the problem taken care of
 in about 2 weeks.

 Sounds like you have had similar issues with them but you have no idea how
 much grief ATT/SBC has caused me over the last 6 yrs we have been in
 business. I wish I could get away from them but at this point in time no one
 seems to be able to help us out down here.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:49 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 Of course, they'll bill you 10 times that and never fix their billing
 issues! -RickG

 On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Chadd Thompson chad...@msn.com wrote:

   
 Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial
 DS3.

 10mb: $4300
 20mb: $4788
 30mb: $5300


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I
 won't
 say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k.

 The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet
 justification.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Richey myli...@battleop.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 
 /rant on

 Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a
   
 market
 
 where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might
   
 get
   
 a
 DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
 those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
 connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in
 the
 beginning.

 If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will
   
 give
   
 you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar
 situation
 where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to
   
 allocate
   
 any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
 until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.

 The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
 multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard
   
 for
   
 the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP
   
 blocks
   
 are non portable.

 /rant off

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Cliff Olle
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30
   
 days
 
 or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you
   
 are
   
 only using 4 class Cs?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Piehn
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


 Scott
 - Original Message -
 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


   
 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
 you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 
 We probably need to get our own ip

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread John Thomas
Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you 
can legitimately run BGP and multi home?
You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if 
necessary.

I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We have 
a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 blocks 
apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* include 
Internet access, only point to point.

John

Richey wrote:
 /rant on

 Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market
 where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might get a
 DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
 those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
 connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in the
 beginning.  

 If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give
 you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar situation
 where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate
 any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
 until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.   

 The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
 multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard for
 the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks
 are non portable.

 /rant off

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Cliff Olle
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days
 or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
 only using 4 class Cs?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Piehn
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


 Scott
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


   
 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
 you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 
 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's 
 and
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

 marlon




   
 
 
   
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread John Thomas
The thing that is sad about that is there are Internet providers that 
will install fiber to your premises and deliver the bandwidth for half that.

American Fiber Systems http://www.americanfibersystems.com/  will do a 
10 Meg Internet Connection over fiber to Reno NV for $2000 per month, 
with a $2000 install.

John


Chadd Thompson wrote:
 Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial
 DS3.

 10mb: $4300
 20mb: $4788
 30mb: $5300


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't
 say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k.

 The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet
 justification.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Richey myli...@battleop.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

   
 /rant on

 Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market
 where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might get
 a
 DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
 those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
 connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in
 the
 beginning.

 If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give
 you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar
 situation
 where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate
 any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
 until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.

 The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
 multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard for
 the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks
 are non portable.

 /rant off

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Cliff Olle
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days
 or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
 only using 4 class Cs?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Piehn
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


 Scott
 - Original Message -
 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


 
 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
 you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
   
 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's
 and
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

 marlon




 
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread John Thomas
Yes, I know we could have done that, but this client makes a lot of 
noise when anything resembling a hiccup occurs, and we weren't going to 
take that chance. ATT gets to deal with them when the DS3 has 
problems  :-)

On another note, they have been quite happy with their Covad Wireless 
Internet connection at $599 per month for 3 Meg Burstable to 6 meg. It 
has been down 2 times in the past year. Covad had a couple of nasty 
outages in the past month or so.

John


Travis Johnson wrote:
 You are missing an opportunity there...

 Tell them you will provide them a 300Mbps full duplex link for $3,000 
 per month. Then go buy a Trango licensed link for $11k and make $3k a 
 month profit after 4 months. :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 John Thomas wrote:
 Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you 
 can legitimately run BGP and multi home?
 You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if 
 necessary.

 I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We have 
 a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 blocks 
 apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* include 
 Internet access, only point to point.

 John

 Richey wrote:
   
 /rant on

 Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market
 where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might get a
 DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
 those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
 connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in the
 beginning.  

 If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give
 you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar situation
 where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate
 any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
 until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.   

 The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
 multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard for
 the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks
 are non portable.

 /rant off

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Cliff Olle
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days
 or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
 only using 4 class Cs?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Piehn
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


 Scott
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


   
 
 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
 you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 
   
 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's 
 and
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

 marlon




   
 
 
 
   
 
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