Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-20 Thread Mark Nash
I honestly don't think we're working with the government so much as 
we're working with the market.


We are a bunch of Davids trying to play in a game that is dominated by 
Goliaths.  I know how that bible fable goes so we don't need to get 
sidetracked on a lecture about how that story ended...  My point is that 
our market has huge players affecting change and us small guys have 
been able to succeed to varying degrees BECAUSE we haven't been on the 
radar.


Our government fully believes that the best-suited companies to deliver 
broadband to the masses are these bigger players, and I tend to agree 
with them.  I've always considered myself a niche provider, and as 
soon as the nice becomes attractive to a company with real money, slow 
or fast, I will realize the inevitable decline of my wireless business.  
Not because of the government, but because of the market.


For myself, this uphill battle is stress better left up to someone 
else.  My business plans are to ride the wireless wave as long as I can, 
and venture into other businesses and make them valuable with the 
revenues generated by the wireless business.  I just released the first 
version of my first iPhone/iPad game on Apple's App Store, for 
instance.  I'm thinking of starting a landscaping business (not WORKING 
it, just owning it).  I think a music/movie studio is in my future.  
Eggs in several baskets.  That kind of thing.  In the meantime, the 
wireless business has to be tended to and made everything it can be.


On 7/19/2011 7:20 PM, RickG wrote:

Mark,

You just made my point, it appears to me that WISPA, many WISP's, and 
small business owners in general have done their best to work with the 
system. And what rewards do we get for it? I dont know about you but 
the system is killing me! Mark my words, unless things change, the 
system that is beginning to fail us now will eventually totally fail 
us. Sorry for sounding so pessimistic but after watching our 
government at work after 35 years, the only thing positive is that 
it can change if we want it to but it's gonna be a long, hard fight.


On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:


You absolutely have a right to chase your dreams in this country,
as opposed to other countries.  But you have to temper yourself
with the absolute fact that you belong to a system.  Successful
business owners either work within the system, or find a way
around it.  Do what you can, when you can, to affect change, but
to try to wholesale uproot the system is going to cause you
persistent pain and anguish.


On 7/19/2011 8:15 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote:


+1

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG
*Sent:* Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:04 PM
*To:* fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA
General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

it is Regulation (1996 Telecom Act) that
allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing
internet access and other communication services

*With all due respect, it's exactly the mindset that government
allows us to be in business that IS the problem. Telecom Act or
no, regulation or no, there should be no question that we are
allowed to make a living the way we want to regardless.*

On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz
fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

I am going to address your points backwards:-

You wrote ---

And lastly, about the FCC, the last administration's appointees were
advocates for free markets and for competition and deregulation. Not
particularly effective ones, but at least they were not our
enemy. The
current administration's people at the FCC are IN NO WAY our
friend, for
any way, manner, or purpose, and everything they want is bad for
us and
the country. STop talking political party talking points, and get
some
reality.

-

We have been wireline ISP's first, since 2000, if you really believe
what you wrote (above) then you are truly mis-informed...
The simple facts are ... it is Regulation (1996 Telecom Act) that
allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing
internet access and other communication services . and it is THE
DEREGULATION over the past 5 years, that has been KILLING the
ISP's  off.
You forget, that if you don't have the ability to connect to other
networks in a fair and equitable manner, you are not going to be
able to
continue in this business.
Get a grip of reality and the full picture.. you are playing with
a DUAL
EDGE sword here...

---You wrote-


You seem to think that the answer is to find

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-19 Thread Mark Nash
I know, the guy just rubs me the wrong way, has for years, and it's 
intolerable to me anymore (that's a big fat 1 in the count of 
intolerable people in my life).  He polarizes people and wants us to act 
in an unrealistic fashion, and for what?  He wants to take back HIS 
country, clearly.  Well, HIS country doesn't exist anymore.  He 
suggests radical movements that won't get us anywhere.


All to hear himself rant.  He never posts anything less than 5 long-ass 
paragraphs.  He's a self-serving narcissistic ass that wants to live in 
a fantasy world, and I just don't want to hear from him anymore...


It was a good idea, whoever suggested it, to be rid of this free 
public list, as the archive is publicly available and we don't need 
non-members to go on record as part of WISPA.  Get on the members 
list, oh yeah, BE A MEMBER...if you can't see $250/year value out of 
this organization then you don't do business that affects us and we 
don't want you...


For a more immediate solution to MY problem, whoever said just get off 
the FREE list...thank you.  That's the solution for me as I have been 
on the members list for several years now, and 98% of the list traffic 
these days is on that list (if you lurkers have been wondering where the 
real business has been gone).


On 7/18/2011 10:45 PM, RickG wrote:
Mark, I may have missed it but I havent heard MK call you any names. 
There really is no room for that on this list. But then, who am I?


On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:


We all know that Mark Koskenmaki has good points sometimes.

The trouble is that it's shrouded in the fact that he's a dick and
doesn't actually want to help..he just wants to bitch.

Notice that he's not on the members list.  Again doesn't want to
help...just wants to bitch.

Dick.

On 7/16/2011 3:19 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
 I'm sorry I guess I missed you at the Legislative Committee list
when I
 was putting this together sending out drafts and asking for
comments and
 help/sarcasm.  WISPA is a representation of those who show up
to help
 formulate consensus and policy, not my personal views.  So easy
to throw
 darts at the end result when you wouldn't be part of the
process, isn't it?

 On 7/15/2011 7:07 PM, MDK wrote:
 Nice re-write of history, Forbes.   Who are you trying to protect?

 It is NOT Congress which has been the motivating factor behind
the FCC's
 anti-competitive behavior... It has been the administration and
the people
 that this administration have appointed and have hired,
combined with a
 small number of extreme left-wing groups who have been pushing Net
 Neutrality, etc.   It was NEVER Congress that pushed this.

 Your effort to see spectrum auctioned is not so much a matter
of lobbyists
 having taken over Congress as it is a matter of Congress
finding ways to
 raise money.   A later poster reminded us that not only is Congress
 unfamiliar with what we do and how we do it - along with why we
are needed -
 the FCC is just as ignorant as well.   Despite that fact that
WISPA has
 communicated, the FCC people as a whole just DO NOT GRASP the
realities of
 free market service providers.

 Until the readers were so sore here that nobody would talk to
me, and
 threatened to expel me, I tried to explain how WISPA needed to
take a
 PRINCIPLED STAND at the time WISPA began to be noticed in DC,
that we
 believed in Free Markets and freedom to do business, without being
 encumbered (killed) by federal regulation.

 To this day, WISPA has no published principles which say that
it, or you,
 believe in  free markets, open competition, and consumer - oriented
 stewardship of the nation's RF spectrum-rather than auctioning
the assets to
 the largest bidder.  Instead, WISPA has a history of
alternatively being for
 and against various actions - mostly based upon whether or not
it was
 financially a win for the larger voices of WISPA.

 This lack of principled direction has now come and bitten us in the
 backside, potentially lethally.   The central notion we have to
fight is
 that spectrum should be auctioned (revenue to the feds) to the
highest
 bidder.   And someone, in their ignorance, has managed to
commit an idea
 commensurate to your local city government suddenly deciding to
create a
 license to sell groceries  and has structured it so that it
is all tied to
 one auction, where any deep pockets bidder can remove the
ability of all the
 incumbents to stay in business.   Instead of educating
Congress, the FCC
 ,and our allies (if we have any) about how freedom to be in
business has
 been the central mechanism by which a vast swath of America

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-19 Thread Mark Nash
You absolutely have a right to chase your dreams in this country, as 
opposed to other countries.  But you have to temper yourself with the 
absolute fact that you belong to a system.  Successful business owners 
either work within the system, or find a way around it.  Do what you 
can, when you can, to affect change, but to try to wholesale uproot the 
system is going to cause you persistent pain and anguish.


On 7/19/2011 8:15 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote:


+1

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *RickG

*Sent:* Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:04 PM
*To:* fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

it is Regulation (1996 Telecom Act) that
allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing
internet access and other communication services

*With all due respect, it's exactly the mindset that government 
allows us to be in business that IS the problem. Telecom Act or no, 
regulation or no, there should be no question that we are allowed to 
make a living the way we want to regardless.*


On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net 
mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:


I am going to address your points backwards:-

You wrote ---

And lastly, about the FCC, the last administration's appointees were
advocates for free markets and for competition and deregulation. Not
particularly effective ones, but at least they were not our enemy. The
current administration's people at the FCC are IN NO WAY our friend, for
any way, manner, or purpose, and everything they want is bad for us and
the country. STop talking political party talking points, and get some
reality.

-

We have been wireline ISP's first, since 2000, if you really believe
what you wrote (above) then you are truly mis-informed...
The simple facts are ... it is Regulation (1996 Telecom Act) that
allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing
internet access and other communication services . and it is THE
DEREGULATION over the past 5 years, that has been KILLING the ISP's  off.
You forget, that if you don't have the ability to connect to other
networks in a fair and equitable manner, you are not going to be able to
continue in this business.
Get a grip of reality and the full picture.. you are playing with a DUAL
EDGE sword here...

---You wrote-


You seem to think that the answer is to find the right pol to 
influence and

the right committee members to lobby and the right allies to obstruct X or
advance Y, but those are expediency, not principle.   They should be 
TACTICS

to a principled purpose, one that will attract others, on the basis of its
soundness and validity.


Not sure where you are coming up with this from ...however each and
every one has his own right to interpret the events .

You wrote -


Additionally, I said absolutely NOTHING partisan.   Not even ideological.
It's simple straightforward business principles.   Principle Numero Uno is
have the freedom to be in business, and there is nothing convoluted or
difficult about that.


hehe.. when you start off a paragraph with this administration  or do
a follow up with the previous administration.. that is as partisan as
one can get

I agree with your 'Principle Numero Uno', but you are harking at the
wrong organization.. it is not in  WISPA's charter or mission, maybe
should be a member of the SBA association, or FISPA or COMPTEL ... but
then again you will have to get your head straight about how the US Gov.
has operated for the last 200 years

WISPA's mission has been to address issues related to Wireless, (not
business, not telephone service, not hosted services, etc etc)...
While I understand your frustration with the Gov., and do agree with
some of your points, but what you keep putting forward on the WISPA
forums is  more like 'Don Quixote Tilting  at the windmills



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom

On 7/16/2011 12:59 AM, MDK wrote:
 A plan of action?  If I said this is what WISPA should do and 
laid it
 out in detail, all you'd do is say who are you?  Why should we 
hacve to do

 what you say?

 Frankly, I have no idea why you're having difficulty.  You see, when you
 have proper business principles as your guiding mechanism, what you 
should

 do is crystal clear.   Nobody needs to write out a plan of action, it
 becomes self evident - you always advocate FOR the proper and best 
thing.
 And, after being consistent, year after year, and when stuff like 
this comes
 up, which becomes so blatantly obviously a result of failure to 
follow true

 principle, again, nothing is obscure or difficult.

 Additionally, I said absolutely NOTHING partisan.   Not even 
ideological.
 It's simple straightforward 

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-18 Thread Mark Nash
We all know that Mark Koskenmaki has good points sometimes.

The trouble is that it's shrouded in the fact that he's a dick and 
doesn't actually want to help..he just wants to bitch.

Notice that he's not on the members list.  Again doesn't want to 
help...just wants to bitch.

Dick.

On 7/16/2011 3:19 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
 I'm sorry I guess I missed you at the Legislative Committee list when I
 was putting this together sending out drafts and asking for comments and
 help/sarcasm.  WISPA is a representation of those who show up to help
 formulate consensus and policy, not my personal views.  So easy to throw
 darts at the end result when you wouldn't be part of the process, isn't it?

 On 7/15/2011 7:07 PM, MDK wrote:
 Nice re-write of history, Forbes.   Who are you trying to protect?

 It is NOT Congress which has been the motivating factor behind the FCC's
 anti-competitive behavior... It has been the administration and the people
 that this administration have appointed and have hired, combined with a
 small number of extreme left-wing groups who have been pushing Net
 Neutrality, etc.   It was NEVER Congress that pushed this.

 Your effort to see spectrum auctioned is not so much a matter of lobbyists
 having taken over Congress as it is a matter of Congress finding ways to
 raise money.   A later poster reminded us that not only is Congress
 unfamiliar with what we do and how we do it - along with why we are needed -
 the FCC is just as ignorant as well.   Despite that fact that WISPA has
 communicated, the FCC people as a whole just DO NOT GRASP the realities of
 free market service providers.

 Until the readers were so sore here that nobody would talk to me, and
 threatened to expel me, I tried to explain how WISPA needed to take a
 PRINCIPLED STAND at the time WISPA began to be noticed in DC, that we
 believed in Free Markets and freedom to do business, without being
 encumbered (killed) by federal regulation.

 To this day, WISPA has no published principles which say that it, or you,
 believe in  free markets, open competition, and consumer - oriented
 stewardship of the nation's RF spectrum-rather than auctioning the assets to
 the largest bidder.  Instead, WISPA has a history of alternatively being for
 and against various actions - mostly based upon whether or not it was
 financially a win for the larger voices of WISPA.

 This lack of principled direction has now come and bitten us in the
 backside, potentially lethally.   The central notion we have to fight is
 that spectrum should be auctioned (revenue to the feds) to the highest
 bidder.   And someone, in their ignorance, has managed to commit an idea
 commensurate to your local city government suddenly deciding to create a
 license to sell groceries  and has structured it so that it is all tied to
 one auction, where any deep pockets bidder can remove the ability of all the
 incumbents to stay in business.   Instead of educating Congress, the FCC
 ,and our allies (if we have any) about how freedom to be in business has
 been the central mechanism by which a vast swath of America has great
 internet service,  we've quibbled over dollars and rules and tried to slant
 them for us against others - the very thinking we must now defeat.

 I have said we all stand on freedom, or fall together, and for this I have
 been branded as a radical, idiot, moron, right wing extremist, and so on -
 as such principles are, according to the self proclaimed 'wise men' of the
 group, outdated and unworkable.   Until we need them, of course.  Even the
 tortured and twisted explanation below is still trying to defend the big
 government crapola, and by now, it better be as clear and obvious to you, as
 a just hammered thumbnail, that NOTHING ELSE MATTERS IF WE DO NOT HAVE THE
 FREEDOM TO BE IN BUSINESS.

 I was at founding of WISPA.   I was there within a week or two of the
 interest list being formed, and I joined and donated money, until previous
 people of WISPA were found by me to be advocating FCC mandates on us.   At
 which I resigned and will not rejoin until my money is no longer at risk of
 being used against our basic and fundamental freedoms.

 YEARS have been sqandered, because WISPA failed to advocate for freedom
 first, a consistent, principled basis for everything said, advocacy
 positions, etc.  Now, you have to suddenly get religion, because
 EVERYONE's freedom is at stake, even our competition's,.   Rather than
 advocate for that, WISPA now has a history just as compromised as ATT's and
 every lobbyist's, because it stood for little more than trying to bend the
 rules to favor US instead of THEM.   Expediently, we've discovered that
 open markets mean open to competition, as well, something not advocated by
 WISPA before.

 I said in 2009 that there were people headed for Congress, a sea change
 coming, and that WISPA needed to get politically allied with the pro freedom
 crowd.  They were called radicals and idiots on this list instead.

Re: [WISPA] Staff Apparel

2011-05-18 Thread Mark Nash
Lands End.

ocs.landsend.com

On 5/18/2011 11:54 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
 I am looking to dress up my staff a little better.

 Color Shirts with company name, logo, and employee name.  Different colors 
 not just one for the whole week.

 I have found this to be an issue.  All the retail shops want to do a min or 
 12 like shirts.  Basically I have 4 staff that are everywhere from size small 
 to 4X with me doing different names and different colors and different sizes 
 I doubt that I have more than 2 shirts the same.

 Anyone know of a company that might handle this.

 Steve Barnes
 General Manager
 PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi


 
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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

2011-05-06 Thread Mark Nash
For lower speeds, I have used pairs of SDSL modems before.  They install 
as bridges.


On 5/6/2011 2:17 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet 
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.


I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or 
cat5, or even fiber if the price is right...


Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to 
site 4 is 2400 ft.


Looking for options...





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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-04 Thread Mark Nash
Wow.  After receiving our letter, our HEAVIEST user called in, 
concerned.  When we described the situation, he TOTALLY changed his 
behavior and said that:

1. he was canceling his Netflix account
2. he is going back to DVDs for movies
3. he LOVES our service

He was the one that really pushed us over the edge to go to FAPs  UBB, 
because his usage was SO FAR above the others.  Like 250GB/mo.  We told 
him that he's the one that started us on this path hehehe...

So there's something for you... We were worried about HIM the MOST!!!

We have received about 10 phone calls from our letter that went out on 
Friday.  3 of those we switched to higher packages and they're happy, 
one went HELL YEAH MORE SPEED!!!  The others are more just concerned 
about their usage.  When they called, we were armed with all the 
information they needed on months worth of their usage, mostly telling 
them they have nothing to worry about, just begin paying the moderate 
price increase in July and don't worry about the rest.

So far, so good...

On 5/3/2011 2:36 PM, Mark Nash wrote:
 I already sent it to you like 30 minutes ago...  From a different e-mail
 account.

 On 5/3/2011 2:33 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
 Just don't go postal, but yea sure I'd like to take a look at it.

 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Tue, 03 May 2011 13:58:30 -0700

 Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :)

 On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Postal or UPS? :)

 On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net
 mailto:markl...@uwol.net   wrote:
 I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member...

 On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
 I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth
 caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not
 charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of
 giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption.
 Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script
 for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email
 the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want
 the content of the email to say.
 What did your letter say ?

 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700

 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an
 understanding of
 the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these...

 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that
 allows
 for more   costs more), or
 2. change their behavior to not use so much
 3. leave

 I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most
 customers...

 On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to
 continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else
 out yet.
 Regards,

 Chuck


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:
 Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose
 if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay
 more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to
 capitalize on something.

 Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from
 cable companies, for example.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com
 mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com
 mailto:ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com   wrote:

 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.

 Regards,

 Chuck



 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com
 mailto:lm7...@gmail.com
 mailto:lm7...@gmail.commailto:lm7...@gmail.com   wrote:

 Robert
 up/down/aggregate
 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB

 The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for
 4 megabits down.
 I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my
 previous email, but if
 anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps
 you are using I
 would greatly appreciate it.
 What is cost per megabit from your upstream?



 
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-04 Thread Mark Nash
Dude...  The thing is... After a LOT of emotion  being pissed at the 
abusers...


I made a decision to do this and craft it in such a way that I am VERY 
unemotional when it comes to telling our staff how to handle customers.  
Even though the customer may be emotional at first, if you don't play 
ball with that emotion and stand firm, you will feel better about it.  
You may lose some customers...that is the way of things...but on the 
whole things will be better.


On 5/4/2011 2:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
My user does 600 gigs a month.  I wonder what he says when our UBB 
comes in to play.  I am hoping I am fortunate as you, Mark =)


I am very glad to see things went very smoothly for you!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:


Wow.  After receiving our letter, our HEAVIEST user called in,
concerned.  When we described the situation, he TOTALLY changed his
behavior and said that:

1. he was canceling his Netflix account
2. he is going back to DVDs for movies
3. he LOVES our service

He was the one that really pushed us over the edge to go to FAPs 
UBB,
because his usage was SO FAR above the others.  Like 250GB/mo.  We
told
him that he's the one that started us on this path hehehe...

So there's something for you... We were worried about HIM the MOST!!!

We have received about 10 phone calls from our letter that went out on
Friday.  3 of those we switched to higher packages and they're happy,
one went HELL YEAH MORE SPEED!!!  The others are more just concerned
about their usage.  When they called, we were armed with all the
information they needed on months worth of their usage, mostly telling
them they have nothing to worry about, just begin paying the moderate
price increase in July and don't worry about the rest.

So far, so good...

On 5/3/2011 2:36 PM, Mark Nash wrote:
 I already sent it to you like 30 minutes ago...  From a
different e-mail
 account.

 On 5/3/2011 2:33 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
 Just don't go postal, but yea sure I'd like to take a look at it.

 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Tue, 03 May 2011 13:58:30 -0700

 Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via
postal... :)

 On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Postal or UPS? :)

 On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net
mailto:markl...@uwol.net
 mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net   wrote:
 I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member...

 On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
 I've been saying for a while now that you have to have
bandwidth
 caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you
are not
 charging for them at this point. You also have to have some
method of
 giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption.
 Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew
Cox's script
 for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It
will email
 the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever
you want
 the content of the email to say.
 What did your letter say ?

 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net
mailto:markl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net
mailto:markl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700

 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an
 understanding of
 the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of
these...

 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service
plan that
 allows
 for more   costs more), or
 2. change their behavior to not use so much
 3. leave

 I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday
to most
 customers...

 On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough
spectrum to
 continue to deliver the service...haven't figured
anything else
 out yet.
 Regards,

 Chuck


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:
 Why

Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-03 Thread Mark Nash
I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member...

On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
 I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and 
 costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them 
 at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them 
 on their bandwidth consumption.

 Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a 
 Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client 
 when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of 
 the email to say.

 What did your letter say ?

 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700

 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of
 the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these...

 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows
 for more  costs more), or
 2. change their behavior to not use so much
 3. leave

 I am implementing this now.  The letter went out on Friday to most
 customers...

 On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to
 continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet.

 Regards,

 Chuck


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  wrote:

  Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them?  I suppose
  if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay
  more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to
  capitalize on something.

  Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from
  cable companies, for example.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com
  mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com  wrote:

  25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.

  Regards,

  Chuck



  On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com
  mailto:lm7...@gmail.com  wrote:

Robert
up/down/aggregate
103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB
  
The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for
  4 megabits down.
  
I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my
  previous email, but if
anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps
  you are using I
would greatly appreciate it.

  What is cost per megabit from your upstream?


  
 
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-03 Thread Mark Nash

Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :)

On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Postal or UPS? :)

On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:

 I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member...

 On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
 I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth 
caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not 
charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of 
giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption.


 Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script 
for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email 
the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want 
the content of the email to say.


 What did your letter say ?

 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless@wispa.org

 Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700

 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an 
understanding of

 the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these...

 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that 
allows

 for more costs more), or
 2. change their behavior to not use so much
 3. leave

 I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most
 customers...

 On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to
 continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else 
out yet.


 Regards,

 Chuck


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:


 Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose
 if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay
 more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to
 capitalize on something.

 Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from
 cable companies, for example.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com 
mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com

 mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.

 Regards,

 Chuck



 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com 
mailto:lm7...@gmail.com

 mailto:lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

  Robert
  up/down/aggregate
  103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB
 
  The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for
 4 megabits down.
 
  I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my
 previous email, but if
  anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps
 you are using I
  would greatly appreciate it.

 What is cost per megabit from your upstream?


 


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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-03 Thread Mark Nash
I already sent it to you like 30 minutes ago...  From a different e-mail 
account.

On 5/3/2011 2:33 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
 Just don't go postal, but yea sure I'd like to take a look at it.

 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Tue, 03 May 2011 13:58:30 -0700

 Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :)

 On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Postal or UPS? :)

 On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net
 mailto:markl...@uwol.net  wrote:
 I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member...

 On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
 I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth
 caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not
 charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of
 giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption.
 Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script
 for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email
 the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want
 the content of the email to say.
 What did your letter say ?

 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700

 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an
 understanding of
 the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these...

 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that
 allows
 for more  costs more), or
 2. change their behavior to not use so much
 3. leave

 I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most
 customers...

 On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to
 continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else
 out yet.
 Regards,

 Chuck


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:
 Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose
 if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay
 more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to
 capitalize on something.

 Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from
 cable companies, for example.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com
 mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com
 mailto:ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com  wrote:

 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.

 Regards,

 Chuck



 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com
 mailto:lm7...@gmail.com
 mailto:lm7...@gmail.commailto:lm7...@gmail.com  wrote:

 Robert
 up/down/aggregate
 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB

 The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for
 4 megabits down.
 I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my
 previous email, but if
 anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps
 you are using I
 would greatly appreciate it.
 What is cost per megabit from your upstream?



 
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Mark Nash
I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of 
the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these...


1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows 
for more  costs more), or

2. change their behavior to not use so much
3. leave

I am implementing this now.  The letter went out on Friday to most 
customers...


On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to 
continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet.


Regards,

Chuck


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them?  I suppose
if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay
more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to
capitalize on something.

Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from
cable companies, for example.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.

Regards,

Chuck



On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com
mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

 Robert
 up/down/aggregate
 103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB

 The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for
4 megabits down.

 I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my
previous email, but if
 anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps
you are using I
 would greatly appreciate it.

What is cost per megabit from your upstream?




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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Mark Nash
This is even more of a difficult equation, because as ISPs, WE typically 
are not billed by the GB from OUR upstream providers.  We are billed, 
generally-speaking, by one of two mechanisms:

1. Pipe speed... You pay for 50mbps and that's what you get.  It doesn't 
matter if you only use 20, and if you hit 50 then the network bogs down. 
But a FIXED bandwidth cost, no danger of going over.

2. High water mark...Commit amount and burst over...usually billed at 
95th percentile... In this case you can go at whatever speeds your 
transports and upstream will allow, and you are billed based on a high 
water mark for usage.  In this case, there is a danger that you will be 
billed more by YOUR ISP but your network won't be congested at the 
upstream point.  Here, from purely an upstream bandwidth cost 
perspective, it ONLY matters what people are doing at PEAK times.

Our upstream agreement is a #2. (I know that makes a pun but we'll just 
flush that one right now)...  The mechanism we have in place only deals 
with total monthly GB transferred, not peak time usage, so by placing in 
a monthly total GB limitation, we are not being very accurate to cost, 
but we ARE trying to have our customer be aware that they are bandwidth 
hogs and they need to pay or change or leave.  It's at least a step in 
the right direction.



On 5/2/2011 2:59 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote:
 Haven't run the numbers, but it doesn't look like this number is taking
 into consideration staff cost, other overhead such administrative cost,
 insurance, non-wireless gear and most importantly a reasonable profit
 margin.

 Looking at it from the other direction,  I currently spend about 20% of
 opex on bandwidth.  Granted an user increasing bandwidth doesn't cost me
 more in administrative (once we account for UBB), insurance and other
 non-transport costs, but you do have to remember there is a significant
 cost to running the network outside of gear and bandwidth so if you
 figure out the cost per GB to deliver to the customer and all of a
 sudden the majority start nearing their cap consistently it will be
 eating into your paycheck.

 On 5/2/11 4:48 PM, Matt wrote:
 What is cost per megabit from your upstream?
 Divide your cost per megabit by 120 to get a good idea of your cost
 per gigabit at the NOC.  If your paying $20 per megabit you would be
 at 0.17$ per GByte.

 Figuring your cost on the wireless network is nearly impossible.  I am
 considering:

 Total cost of AP and BH wireless gear at site and used to feed site.
 Divided by 24 months.  Add any rental.  Divided by your total max
 available bandwidth.  Divided by 2.  Gives cost Mbps.

 A site could be six canopy 2.4 AP's and a CMM.  Total max available
 bandwidth would be 60Mbps.  Guessing prices.  Bandwidth is 20$ Mbps.
 Price per GByte is 0.18$  I think that's too low but I did not
 figure/guess any BH gear cost.


 
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Mark Nash

To follow through some thinking here...

If that device was Billing-Server-Package-Aware then you could offer a 
higher level of service for HD customers that allowed the Netflix 
service to sense a higher-bandwidth connection and it may be more 
likely to stream in HD than SD.  I say offer...the flip side of 
offer is charge for, at a higher rate, of course.


There are always those who gotta have it...

On 5/2/2011 3:50 PM, David E. Smith wrote:


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 17:32, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com 
mailto:coelh...@gmail.com wrote:


Has anybody worked on allowing streaming video up to lets say 10
Mb total transfer, then knocking THAT stream down to a slow rate?


I tried something like that a while back - we got so very many angry 
phone calls that the boss had us discontinue it in less than a week. 
We actually didn't try to limit by video type, just any single 
ongoing TCP transaction, but in practice it only affected audio and 
video streaming, Microsoft Update, and MMO patches.


I'm sure someone out there would be glad to sell you a content-aware 
filtering device for many thousands of dollars, if you're so inclined.


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

2011-04-25 Thread Mark Nash

Cameron...

That is the point of an OSS... an INTEGRATED solution that should help 
operators realize a net gain from the expense of using it. :)  I look 
forward to seeing how your solution gets rated by WISPs over the next 
year or so...


As operators increasingly succumb to the pressure and the need for UBB, 
they will look to Wispmon  other key players in this area more  more.


On 4/25/2011 11:21 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were 
looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers. 
Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is 
certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon 
customers of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still 
stuck on the speed issue. They simply want what is offered to your 
customers. Whether is is BS or not I guess is up to the conscience of 
the reporter. Most of our Wispmon customers never thought of recording 
actual speeds until they started using our software and it was 
convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the work order system, 
it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to do with 
Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep better 
records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them realizing 
how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then that 
is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data 
formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have 
made it as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a 
time doing business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but 
at least you had accurate records in pretty much one place. We get 
people with info spread across 5 different programs and can correlate 
none of them.


Cameron

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:


Thanks Cameron,
Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally
laughed at.  Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.
But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all
of the time?  You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you
buy it by the current used.  Water doesn't come in pounds per
square inch, it's gallons used.  Gas isn't in miles per hour etc.
etc. etc.
Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less
than a dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'
We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used. 
In my case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit

depending on my costs and how you run the numbers.
You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to
transfer during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't
deliver.  We use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth
hogs to mess up someone else's service and keep my system running
at peak capabilities, not beyond them.
Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts. 
That's enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except

movies and 24/7 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-).
For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to
10.  Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer
has available and send more data to suck it all up.  It can use a
little or a lot.  Usually a lot.
We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users
these days.  But I don't know what else to do, there is no money
in fiber anyway, then the customer wants to use $20 per month in
upstream fees on his $5.00 net account.
It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average
customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in
business.
We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't
have caps.  But those guys are going to go down in flames in the
next couple of years.  They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise
their rates.  Even higher prices isn't going to help when there
isn't enough spectrum available to service the customers.
How many movies can you support at once across the average AP? 
5?  10 at the most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even

point is 10 subs per tower.
Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any
questions I can.  509.988.0260
marlon

- Original Message -
*From:* Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing
bandwidth caps for years.

Cameron

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason 

Re: [WISPA] Nothing on Ebay

2011-04-01 Thread Mark Nash
If you did, maybe you could get them to combine shipping if you bought 
more than one...


On 4/1/2011 12:13 PM, Nick White wrote:

At least you don't have to pay for shipping!

On 4/1/2011 11:36 AM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote:

I can find anything on Ebay. How about NOTHING?
http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d 
http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d


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Re: [WISPA] Nothing on Ebay

2011-04-01 Thread Mark Nash

I've spend more for less before...

On 4/1/2011 12:32 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:


Local pickup only... in Belgium. Probably well worth the trip though.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Mark Nash

*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2011 2:16 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Nothing on Ebay

If you did, maybe you could get them to combine shipping if you bought 
more than one...


On 4/1/2011 12:13 PM, Nick White wrote:

At least you don't have to pay for shipping!

On 4/1/2011 11:36 AM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote:

I can find anything on Ebay. How about NOTHING?

http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d 
http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d


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Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

2011-03-29 Thread Mark Nash
Would someone please tell me who to get in touch with for this $.35 per 
account price you're getting?  I haven't been able to track anyone down 
about it.


Thanks.

Mark

On 3/29/2011 6:53 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
All I'm going to say about this is that Gmail made my email headaches 
go away.  No more tracking down spam/antivirus issues, no more webmail 
issues, no more hardware issues with the servers (disks seemed to fail 
in an email server more often than a web server).  No more people 
getting their password hacked and thousands of emails being sent out. 
 No more IPs ending up in the SORBS/et. al databases.  I tracked email 
maintenance time and materials for 6 months, and it was well worth the 
$.35 per email account we spent to let Google do it.


It is so easy to tell someone to take their iPhone/Droid phone/et. al 
and select Google as their email provider and put in their login 
information.


Regards,
Chuck


On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net 
mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:


You can slice it any way you like...

all I can tell you is that ... when you have evaluate honestly 
how much time is spent by yourself or someone vs  how much you

have to pay for the service...

for example.
Paying someone $75/month to keep linux boxes uptodate  and secure
is a very inexpensive proposition.
Paying someone $0.25 per mailbox for high quality spam / virus
filtering services is a very inexpensive proposition..

paying $0.35 per mailbox which includes some ridiculous amount of
storage and spam / anti virus is a heck of a deal...

Unless you need somethings else that is not there...
e.g. in our case, we use internal hosted machines that we have
'outsourced' security  updates on to a third party... and we pay
a different third party for excellent Spam/Virus filtering...

our problem was very simple... we provide hosting packages along
with email even though what Google and Tucows offer is a great
deal.. but  we needed options which they don't offer.

Maybe next go around we may separate mail from hosting control
panel...

Your Mileage May Vary.

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom



On 3/28/2011 8:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Exactly, out-sourcing just means you just pay for it indirectly,
plus their profit.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


On 3/28/2011 5:18 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

It all costs some way. You pay for administration, hardware,
etc, whether you outsource or host it yourself. The time savings
for me would be well worth $0.35 per user even in the
thousands...may not be for others.

Cameron

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com
mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you have the ability to do multiple domains with the
Google platform?  We
 also offer hosting services that need email.

To do the switch to Gmail I believe you must change all
client SMTP
and POP3 server settings.  Yuk.  Also, depending how many email
accounts you have $0.35 can really add up especially when in the
thousands.

 I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own
server. Personally,
 I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox
with google or other
 hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep
things updated and
 blocking spam effectively are much more costly.

 Regards,

 Cameron

 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford
mogoo...@gmx.com mailto:mogoo...@gmx.com wrote:

 http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp

 There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the
requirements
 that you requested.

 Frank

 On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:
 Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows
based email server
 MailMax.  Because of some support/productivity issues we
are investigating
 integrating a new box.  The requirements are: webmail,
web management of
 individuals mail accounts (with password reset),
pop3/smtp/imap, can run on
 Windows or Linux.  We would also like a calendar and
address book module in
 webmail as well.

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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Data Caps and Streaming

2011-03-29 Thread Mark Nash
awesome!  Let's all put data caps in...

On 3/29/2011 8:26 AM, Matt wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

2011-03-28 Thread Mark Nash
We are looking for an email solution to replace Everyone.Net.  They are 
$.35 per user.  Considering both in-house  out-house.



On 3/28/2011 3:18 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
It all costs some way. You pay for administration, hardware, etc, 
whether you outsource or host it yourself. The time savings for me 
would be well worth $0.35 per user even in the thousands...may not be 
for others.


Cameron

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com 
mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote:


 Do you have the ability to do multiple domains with the Google
platform?  We
 also offer hosting services that need email.

To do the switch to Gmail I believe you must change all client SMTP
and POP3 server settings.  Yuk.  Also, depending how many email
accounts you have $0.35 can really add up especially when in the
thousands.

 I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own server.
Personally,
 I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox with
google or other
 hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep things
updated and
 blocking spam effectively are much more costly.

 Regards,

 Cameron

 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford
mogoo...@gmx.com mailto:mogoo...@gmx.com wrote:

 http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp

 There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the
requirements
 that you requested.

 Frank

 On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:
 Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based
email server
 MailMax.  Because of some support/productivity issues we are
investigating
 integrating a new box.  The requirements are: webmail, web
management of
 individuals mail accounts (with password reset),
pop3/smtp/imap, can run on
 Windows or Linux.  We would also like a calendar and address
book module in
 webmail as well.

 Anyone have suggestions?




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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-07 Thread Mark Nash

Yeah... We could have our own separate units for 48V  24V.

On 3/4/2011 7:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote:


Hello Kevin,

Starting to sound like this project is taking shape!  Keep me posted 
and can we get an updated bullet point list of the feature set you are 
thinking?


Maybe the output voltage should be just a simple pass-through from 
whatever redundant power supplies the end user selects for their PoE 
equipment?  This may help future proof the PoE Controller from 
possible vendor changes like UBNT is considering. (e.g. 24VDC to 48VDC)


Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan

*Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2011 1:51 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

It'd have a web interface with SNMP support. Yeah, 12 port.

Kevin

- Original Message -

*From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent:*Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Yes, better.  At this time, we only use AC to power devices.

Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features...

Also also, number of ports should = 12

At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we
would take about 20.

On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs
would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti
conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs
will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is
Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this
wouldn't work for that.

 Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If
DC, 24 or 48v?

I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the
$450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we
had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer
to $250. Is that more appealing?

Thanks!

Kevin

- Original Message -

*From:*Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com

*To:*'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent:*Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Hello Kevin,

I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this
device would have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good
compromise.  If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then
that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO.

Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic
surge suppression is found in today's PoE's?

24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you
saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for
a consensus?

1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.

Keep us posted...

Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar
to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only
non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going
to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was:

Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v
easily with a transformer.

If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really
need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them?
We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10.  We'd
get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May.

Kevin

- Original Message -

*From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a
switch.  I want to be able to put these onto router ports
as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller,
manageable per port with autoping

Re: [WISPA] Service request

2011-03-04 Thread Mark Nash

I grew up in LA... I didn't know the street names went that low!!! :)

On 3/3/2011 5:01 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
110 East 9th Street x-apple-data-detectors://0 LA CA 90079 
x-apple-data-detectors://1


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Jerry Richardson 
jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:



Who can hit this address? 110 East 9th Street

Looking for bus class alternative to dsl.

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-04 Thread Mark Nash

Yes, better.  At this time, we only use AC to power devices.

Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features...

Also also, number of ports should = 12

At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would 
take about 20.


On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would 
need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference 
they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 
48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. 
Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that.
 Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 
24 or 48v?
I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the 
$450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had 
been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. 
Is that more appealing?

Thanks!
Kevin

- Original Message -
*From:* Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com
*To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Hello Kevin,

I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this
device would have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. 
If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should

easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO.

Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic
surge suppression is found in today's PoE's?

24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you saying
the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus?

1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.

Keep us posted...

Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to
what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard
POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three,
for our own use. If we sold something that was:

Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily
with a transformer.

If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really
need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd
have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them
back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May.

Kevin

- Original Message -

*From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a
switch.  I want to be able to put these onto router ports as
well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller,
manageable per port with autoping and redundant power
supplies.  Is that so much to ask for??? ;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and
a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry
Richardson
*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN.
Worked flawlessly.

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

- Jerry

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick
*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= 
http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=


On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt
gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and
double-sided tape

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-04 Thread Mark Nash

Important to establish what we're talking about...

We're talking about powering the rackmount PoE device that will power 
all the other devices.  You're wanting that to be DC powered, Cameron?


On 3/4/2011 11:37 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I think every device I ever used on a tower was DC powered. I'd vote 
for DC over cat-5.


Cameron

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:


Yes, better.  At this time, we only use AC to power devices.

Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features...

Also also, number of ports should = 12

At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we
would take about 20.


On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs
would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti
conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs
will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is
Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this
wouldn't work for that.
 Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device?
If DC, 24 or 48v?
I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says
the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity
we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be
closer to $250. Is that more appealing?
Thanks!
Kevin

- Original Message -
*From:* Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com
*To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Hello Kevin,

I’d be interested depending on how many ports you think this
device would have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good
compromise.  If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then
that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO.

Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic
surge suppression is found in today’s PoE’s?

24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you
saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking
for a consensus?

1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.

Keep us posted…

Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar
to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only
non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going
to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was:

Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v
easily with a transformer.

If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I
really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of
them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. 
We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May.


Kevin

- Original Message -

*From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a
switch.  I want to be able to put these onto router ports
as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller,
manageable per port with autoping and redundant power
supplies.  Is that so much to ask for??? ;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies
and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry
Richardson
*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-03 Thread Mark Nash

Kevin,

On cost:  With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device 
like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to 
reboot a router or switch.


If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router 
(x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot 
device ($350 value).


Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then 
all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly 
that much.


On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what 
people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, 
though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our 
own use. If we sold something that was:

Remote on/off per port
Auto-ping reboot per port
Dual-power supply, with notification on fail
DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v
The one we are working on is 24v output only
1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable
SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring
We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a 
transformer.
If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to 
know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make 
a batch of 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB 
manufacturer mid-May.

Kevin

- Original Message -
*From:* Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I
want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch
ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller,
manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. 
Is that so much to ask for??? ;)


On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:


Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a
Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson
*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN.
Worked flawlessly.

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

- Jerry

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick
*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=
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On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt
gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided
tape ;)  Thanks!  Jason

  
  
  
  


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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-03 Thread Mark Nash

as an alternate to the ultimate box, YES!!!

On 3/2/2011 7:52 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


What about making a simple chassis for Ubnt POEs?

On Mar 2, 2011 10:39 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com 
mailto:b...@belwave.com wrote:

 Hello Kevin,



 I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device 
would
 have. It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. If a HUB site 
requires

 more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in
 equipment, IMO.



 Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge
 suppression is found in today's PoE's?



 24VDC output would probably be our preference too. Are you saying the DC
 input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus?



 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.



 Keep us posted.



 Best,





 Brad







 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

 Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
 Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to 
what people
 are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 
802.3.

 Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
 something that was:



 Remote on/off per port

 Auto-ping reboot per port

 Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

 DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

 The one we are working on is 24v output only

 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

 SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring



 We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
 transformer.



 If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need 
to know
 is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a 
batch of

 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer
 mid-May.



 Kevin

 - Original Message -

 From: Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net

 To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless@wispa.org


 Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I 
want to

 be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

 I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
 port with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask
 for??? ;)

 On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a 
Auto-Ping

 feature they'll have a winner.

 Best,

 Brad

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
 flawlessly.

 Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

 - Jerry

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

 Behalf Of Nick
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-03 Thread Mark Nash
PoE controller is good, ONLY ONLY ONLY to clean up the PoE mess.  
Kevin's question was about price and what we would pay.


I would not pay $450 per site just to have a cleaner looking 
installation, especially when I still have to pay for another AC power 
controller.


On 3/3/2011 9:01 AM, Brad Belton wrote:


We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight 
port rack mount rebooter.  Granted they are the least expensive 
rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better 
failure rate than what we've seen out of them the past several years.


I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version 
available.  Maybe this version is more reliable?  I've also read that 
the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount 
style.  Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE 
controller to save costs and development.


While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be 
neatlet's not divert from the intent of this product from being a 
PoE controller.


I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the 
need?  Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage 
via their AirControl System management software.


Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Mark Nash

*Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Kevin,

On cost:  With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device 
like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to 
reboot a router or switch.


If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router 
(x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote 
boot device ($350 value).


Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then 
all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly 
that much.


On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what 
people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, 
though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our 
own use. If we sold something that was:


Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a 
transformer.


If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to 
know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make 
a batch of 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB 
manufacturer mid-May.


Kevin

- Original Message -

*From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I
want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch
ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller,
manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. 
Is that so much to ask for??? ;)


On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a
Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson
*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
flawlessly.

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

- Jerry

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick
*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=
http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=


On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt
gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided
tape ;)  Thanks!  Jason

  

  

  

  





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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-03 Thread Mark Nash
I don't use the Web Power Switch.  I use the Ethernet Power 
Controller...more expensive.  Quantity discounts to $229.

On 3/3/2011 8:52 AM, Philip Dorr wrote:
 The Digital Loggers Web Power Switch III is ~$120.

 On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net  wrote:
 Kevin,

 On cost:  With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a 
 Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a 
 router or switch.

 If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) 
 and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 
 value).

 Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all 
 your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much.

 On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

 So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people 
 are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. 
 Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold 
 something that was:

 Remote on/off per port
 Auto-ping reboot per port
 Dual-power supply, with notification on fail
 DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v
 The one we are working on is 24v output only
 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable
 SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

 We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a 
 transformer.

 If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know 
 is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 
 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer 
 mid-May.

 Kevin

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark Nash
 To: WISPA General List
 Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
 I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to 
 be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

 I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per 
 port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask 
 for??? ;)

 On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” 
 feature they’ll have a winner.

 Best,

 Brad

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked 
 flawlessly.

 Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

 - Jerry

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Nick
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=


 On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

 Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting 
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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-03 Thread Mark Nash
Michael, I'm not talking about the PoE controller itself being POWERED 
by AC or DC... I'm talking about the unit itself having a couple AC 
ports that can power a router  switch as well as having PoE ports that 
can power all of the wireless devices at the site.

On 3/3/2011 9:17 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote:
 We use the inscape data switches/pdu/poe, they work very well can use AC or 
 DC power. They are bit more then the target pricing (I get them for similar 
 to $500). They do 12/18/24 and 802.3, but are limited to a 5 port only model.

 Regards
 Michael Baird

 - Original Message -
 From: Brad Beltonb...@belwave.com
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:01:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch





 We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port 
 rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the 
 market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what 
 we’ve seen out of them the past several years.



 I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. 
 Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style 
 rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could 
 somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and 
 development.



 While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s 
 not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller.



 I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? 
 Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their 
 AirControl System management software.



 Best,





 Brad





 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mark Nash
 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 Kevin,

 On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a 
 Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a 
 router or switch.

 If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) 
 and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 
 value).

 Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all 
 your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much.

 On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:


 So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people 
 are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. 
 Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold 
 something that was:





 Remote on/off per port


 Auto-ping reboot per port


 Dual-power supply, with notification on fail


 DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v


 The one we are working on is 24v output only


 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable


 SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring





 We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a 
 transformer.





 If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know 
 is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 
 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer 
 mid-May.





 Kevin




 - Original Message -


 From: Mark Nash


 To: WISPA General List


 Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM


 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch




 I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be 
 able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

 I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port 
 with autoping and redundant power supplies. Is that so much to ask for??? ;)

 On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” 
 feature they’ll have a winner.

 Best,

 Brad



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly.

 Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.


 - Jerry



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
 Behalf Of Nick
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=


 On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:


 Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting 
 kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;) Thanks! Jason 
 
  WISPA

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-03 Thread Mark Nash
Wow Gino... With respect (because I respect people who can do this)... I 
try to stay out of Radio Shack when it comes to my business.  I used to 
have to do this, but not anymore.  I have people who would love to do 
this, but I tell them to stay out of that store too...when it comes to 
the company's wireless solutions.

I tend to use readily-available products, it's just my behavior.

I have used a vented rack shelf before and some zip ties to get the 
PoE's to stay in place... It's a mess with the two-part PoE's where the 
power supply is not part of the PoE, but the UBNT PoE's that are 
all-in-one go zip-tie on nicer...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120333021316ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT


On 3/3/2011 9:38 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 With the Din Rail unit, some cat5 jacks a rack mount box, some diodes and 
 some time you can hack yourself the perfect box

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mark Nash
 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 Michael, I'm not talking about the PoE controller itself being POWERED
 by AC or DC... I'm talking about the unit itself having a couple AC
 ports that can power a router  switch as well as having PoE ports that
 can power all of the wireless devices at the site.

 On 3/3/2011 9:17 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote:
 We use the inscape data switches/pdu/poe, they work very well can use AC or 
 DC power. They are bit more then the target pricing (I get them for similar 
 to $500). They do 12/18/24 and 802.3, but are limited to a 5 port only model.

 Regards
 Michael Baird

 - Original Message -
 From: Brad Beltonb...@belwave.com
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:01:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch





 We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port 
 rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the 
 market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what 
 we’ve seen out of them the past several years.



 I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. 
 Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style 
 rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could 
 somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and 
 development.



 While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s 
 not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller.



 I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? 
 Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their 
 AirControl System management software.



 Best,





 Brad





 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mark Nash
 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 Kevin,

 On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a 
 Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a 
 router or switch.

 If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) 
 and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 
 value).

 Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all 
 your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much.

 On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:


 So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people 
 are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. 
 Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold 
 something that was:





 Remote on/off per port


 Auto-ping reboot per port


 Dual-power supply, with notification on fail


 DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v


 The one we are working on is 24v output only


 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable


 SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring





 We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a 
 transformer.





 If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know 
 is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 
 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer 
 mid-May.





 Kevin




 - Original Message -


 From: Mark Nash


 To: WISPA General List


 Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM


 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch




 I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch. I want to be 
 able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

 I just want a rackmount multiport

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-03 Thread Mark Nash

I just called Digital Loggers.

The guy on the phone (his name is Thai) told me that there may have been 
a problem on the older units but the newer ones did not have that problem.


I asked him what identifies older and newer units.  He said the 
newer units have the LCD screen.


For those of you who have had problems with these, can you confirm this 
one way or another?


On 3/3/2011 10:02 AM, Brad Belton wrote:


Hey Cameron,

Yah, I remember this topic coming up before, but the failures we've 
had (that come quickly to mind) are no access to the unit at all.  
Does the battery issue prevent the unit from working even when power 
is restored?


Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum

*Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:54 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Brad,

A tip on the Loggers 8 port...there is a rechargeable battery inside 
that doesn't seem to last more than a year. Once it dies, you lose 
your config and if the device ever looses power, everything comes back 
in either all off state or all on state. I tossed one logger and then 
when it happened to a second, I decided to tinker. I got a replacement 
battery at batteries plus and it started working correctly again, 
saving my config after a power outage. I'm not sure what can be done 
about it except to put them on a maintenance schedule. Of course this 
was on the older devicesmaybe they've gone to flash memory now?


Cameron

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com 
mailto:b...@belwave.com wrote:


We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight 
port rack mount rebooter.  Granted they are the least expensive 
rebooter on the market at less than $300, but I would expect a better 
failure rate than what we've seen out of them the past several years.


I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version 
available.  Maybe this version is more reliable?  I've also read that 
the DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount 
style.  Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE 
controller to save costs and development.


While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be 
neatlet's not divert from the intent of this product from being a 
PoE controller.


I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the 
need?  Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage 
via their AirControl System management software.


Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark Nash

*Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM


*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Kevin,

On cost:  With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device 
like a Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to 
reboot a router or switch.


If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router 
(x86-based) and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote 
boot device ($350 value).


Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then 
all your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly 
that much.


On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what 
people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, 
though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our 
own use. If we sold something that was:


Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a 
transformer.


If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to 
know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make 
a batch of 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB 
manufacturer mid-May.


Kevin

- Original Message -

*From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I
want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch
ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller,
manageable per port with autoping and redundant power supplies. 
Is that so much to ask for??? ;)


On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a
Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-02-28 Thread Mark Nash
I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want 
to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.


I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per 
port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask 
for??? ;)


On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:


Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a 
Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner.


Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson

*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked 
flawlessly.


Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

- Jerry

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Nick

*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= 
http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=



On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt 
gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape 
;)  Thanks!  Jason


  
  
  
  


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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-02-28 Thread Mark Nash
LOL the guys at Streakwave or most anywhere else don't have to open up 
the box and have things fall on them (I'm joking of course...it's been a 
long time since I was on that tight of a budget.  But the point 
remains...the PoE's create a TON of clutter in a 
rack/box/enclosure/shed/whatever...


On 2/28/2011 9:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote:


And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would 
appreciate a device like this!  I spoke with someone at Streakwave a 
few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response.  
He had no idea why I would want such a thingsigh


So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting 
point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning:


(1)  Multi-port models.  (e.g. 6, 12  24 ports)

(2)  SNMP  Web Interface Management with ACL firewall.

(3)  Redundant power supplies with separate power cords.  (e.g. UPS 
Blue  UPS Red)


(4)  Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port.  (e.g. Trango/Canopy 
vs. UBNT, etc.)


(5)  Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af 
selectable per port.


(6)  1U shallow depth form factor.

(7)  Auto-Ping per port.

(8)  LED Status indicators per port.

(9)  Optional DC power source model for solar sites?

(10)  Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model?

What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller?

Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Mark Nash

*Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I 
want to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.


I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable 
per port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much 
to ask for??? ;)


On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a 
Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner.


Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson

*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked 
flawlessly.


Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

- Jerry

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick

*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= 
http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=



On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt 
gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape 
;)  Thanks!  Jason


  
  
  
  


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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-02-28 Thread Mark Nash
The expensive bit may not be that great of an argument.  We're already 
spending $$$ on other equipment to accomplish the same thing.

Add 3 or 4 standard 115V outlets (to power switches and routers - 
non-PoE devices) and the rest should be PoE.  All remotely controlled 
off  on, all with individual ping watchdogs.

Make it a 2U, would likely have to.

On 2/28/2011 1:44 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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 On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
 And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would
 appreciate a device like this!  I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few
 months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response.  He had no
 idea why I would want such a thing..sigh



 So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a
 bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning:



 (1)  Multi-port models.  (e.g. 6, 12  24 ports)
 Of course.

 (2)  SNMP  Web Interface Management with ACL firewall.
 Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why
 does it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network
 security system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated
 infrastructure management network right?

 (3)  Redundant power supplies with separate power cords.  (e.g. UPS Blue
 UPS Red)
 Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power
 supplies be hot swappable?

 (4)  Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port.  (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs.
 UBNT, etc.)

 (5)  Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable
 per port.

 Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch
 for example). That would make the most sense to me.

 (6)  1U shallow depth form factor.
 Naturally

 (7)  Auto-Ping per port.
 What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a
 heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of
 course you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is
 a longer outage (like say flashing firmware or something)

 (8)  LED Status indicators per port.
 Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to
 being a remote support person that I never expect to have local access.
 Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw).

 (9)  Optional DC power source model for solar sites?
 DC power is a requirement I think. On every model.

 (10)  Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model?
 Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will?

 What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller?
 Think you about covered it.

 One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly
 dumb/cheap. They already meet all your above requirements (well don't
 know about redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily
 be done).

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash
 Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM
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Re: [WISPA] Test

2011-02-28 Thread Mark Nash
Is it just me or are timestamps off on emails coming through to the 
general  members lists?


On 2/28/2011 11:31 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:


My emails to wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org are not 
getting delivered.


first one was sent 2 hours ago and still has not gone through

- Jerry

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*On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish

*Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 11:28 AM
*To:* 'WISPA Board Members List'; 'WISPA General List'; 'Principal 
WISPA Member List'; memb...@wispa.org

*Subject:* [WISPA] Test

Mailing list traffic is almost non-existent today.  I'm just testing 
to make sure all is operational.  Please ignore.  I hope everyone 
faired well through the storms crossing the country over the weekend.


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Re: [WISPA] Problems with 24 port managed switches from Demarc-Tech

2011-02-28 Thread Mark Nash

Rick...  We had a Dell Gigabit switch go out.  I think it was a 5324.

What model Proliants are you buying that you love???



On 2/28/2011 1:45 PM, RickG wrote:
I had the same issue and canned them. Also, removed my Dell Gigabit 
switches. Got brand new HP Proliants and love them!


On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:40 PM, rwf ralphli...@bsrg.org 
mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:


When Tony Morella and Demarc-Tech was going out of business last
year, we bought quite a few of the managed switches he was selling.

Within a month, they were dropping like flies. Not dying, but just
locking up with all lights on.

We asked Tony for assistance but he said he was out of business
and to contact some place in China.  They never even responded to
our requests.

I’m asking whether anyone else purchased these dogs and if you are
having the same trouble.

Does anyone know is there is a firmware update for them?

Ralph






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Re: [WISPA] Ignore: Test delivery delay

2011-02-28 Thread Mark Nash

I got 10:54 man...

On 2/28/2011 10:54 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:


Sent 10:53





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Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-04 Thread Mark Nash
This is the kind of FUD that the world does not need.

On 2/4/2011 1:10 PM, Data Technology wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-23 Thread Mark Nash
Normally I don't open a message from MDK for fear of witnessing what I 
have become accustomed to.  It took me a few days to do it, but I did 
open this thread.  And I have to say I don't mind reading it.  I may not 
agree with anything or agree with part, but the point is that I don't 
mind reading this, whereas I did in the past.


For that effort, I say well done Mark.  You've found a way to get your 
points across without clouding the issue with anti-government opinions.


Now pay the fee  join WISPA and help make change... Those of us who do 
would appreciate that (money where the mouth is, that kind of thing).


On 12/23/2010 11:19 AM, MDK wrote:

That was the camel's nose in the tent, so to speak.
NN and content regulation is merely some more of the camel through the 
door and in the tent with you.
Rate or price controls, coverage requirements, bandwidth 
specifications, and so on would be the rest of the camel in the tent.
At that point, you don't control your own network, prices, or 
service.   You merely manage a utility that's either going to be the 
surviving monopoly or go under, as the regulators continue to raise 
your costs by demanding more from you, while regulating your revenues.
If you don't think they'll do that, please research obamacare where 
in a short period of time, insurers are allowed to:   Sign people 
up.   They will not be able to set their own rates, design their own 
product, or benefit from efficient operations - as required ratio of 
incoming to outgoing dollars is specified.
I'll bet some of you even thought it was a good idea at the time, as 
long as it's not YOUR business.

++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

*From:* RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:58 AM
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

Yes, by the fact that a private person doing business is forced to 
report anything to the government is wrong. It breaks the trues spirit 
of capitalism  freedom that this country was founded upon. Sorry to 
sound extreme but what will they force us to do next?


On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett 
wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:


I don't think form 477 has anything to do with breaking anything.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


On 12/22/2010 12:44 AM, RickG wrote:

The first step to breaking the net was form 477.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:57 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:


The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place,
and then
pretending you can fix what you broke by half-baked notions
of government
created markets...

There is NOTHING broke about 'internet' because it hasn't
been regulated.

Your issue is nothing but a complaint about the results of
what should never
have been done in the first place.



++
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541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

 Well, no, what IS PROFOUNDLY BROKEN is that the ILECs are
no longer
 required to be common carriers.  They built their network using
 common carrier privileges.  They got their market share
using common
 carrier privileges.  And then they turned  around and got their
 common carrier obligations lifted by the profoundly corrupt
 Cheney-Rove FCC.  So now they control the content on their
wires, and
 you can't lease them.  That's just wrong.  And the
Genachowski FCC
 isn't doing squat about that, though they absolutely have
the power
 to do so.  We do need a national common carrier utility.
 There is a
 clear distinction between carriage and content. ISPs are
content, not
 carriage.  And WISPs are self-provisioned ISPs who deliver
content
 over unlicensed facilities without using a carrier, and
without being one.



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Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-23 Thread Mark Nash
Agreed thereso then pay for value you receive...  I'm sure that 
you're not a proponent of a handout... Or perhaps you perceive that you 
don't receive value.  Enough said, anyway...


On 12/23/2010 12:11 PM, MDK wrote:

Hey Mark... This Mark is not anti-government, as in wanting anarchy.
I'm still trying to grasp the thinking of people who welcome 
regulation.   Perhaps my understanding is better and thus, I write 
better.  I don't know.  Thanks.
However, as for giving WISPA money and promoting it...  That will 
happen when or if WISPA officially adopts policies that I can 
support.   But not until then.   Don't ask me to change your 
organization.   I was once in it and financially supported it and it 
took positions contrary to what I can support, so I left.   That has 
to change before I will come back.

Simple enough?
You (as leaders and members of WISPA) really do have to decide where 
you're going, and if that's the same way, or close enough, that I can 
support, I will.   Please don't ask me to jump into a contrarian 
situation, where I'm the odd man out, with an invitation to seek to 
change your organization around you.  That's seriously chaos and 
results in severe discord.   Ya'll don't need that

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541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

*From:* Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net
*Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:41 AM
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

Normally I don't open a message from MDK for fear of witnessing what I 
have become accustomed to.  It took me a few days to do it, but I did 
open this thread.  And I have to say I don't mind reading it.  I may 
not agree with anything or agree with part, but the point is that I 
don't mind reading this, whereas I did in the past.


For that effort, I say well done Mark.  You've found a way to get 
your points across without clouding the issue with anti-government 
opinions.


Now pay the fee  join WISPA and help make change... Those of us who 
do would appreciate that (money where the mouth is, that kind of thing).






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[WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!

2010-12-16 Thread Mark Nash
When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry 
lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get 
a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, 
shocked, angry, understanding, etc.

This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little 
wrist-slap from dad...

(names have been changed to protect the guilty)...

***
Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed 
me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the 
downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was 
labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent 
website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated 
with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I 
do apologize for the inconvenience.

Sincerely,
Taylor Wisdom
***

Muhahahahaha...




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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-12-07 Thread Mark Nash
Nice Shane... How about a server with no NIC.  Now THAT would be a 
secure server, mostly.  But what if a user got to the keyboard?  Pull 
the power supply, now they'll surely not be able to break in... WAIT! 
There's still data on the hard drive!  Better erase that...

Dude, this is meant to be in jest, and to make a point.  I don't 
currently run any Windows servers due to the engineer that we had in our 
office (which we now don't have so we have to rely on outside 
consultants for Linux expertise).  But I ran on them for the first 7 
years with our mail server, web server, DNS servers, etc.

Anyway...

Flame on about Windows servers, people, but the small business world 
runs on them.  For those of you who own your WISPs and don't know 
anything about servers, don't listen to sensational hype.  Take a 
sensible and tactical approach and do what's right for your business.  
Any server is just a tool.  Pluses  minuses.  You have to do a 
cost/benefit analysis with a server just as you would which kind of 
radio to use in the field, or who to hire to answer your phones.

On 12/7/2010 7:47 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
 I get scared when I hear Windows and Software in the same sentence.
 Then when you add Server I usually run.

 Shane MacDonald
 KP Performance Antennas


 On 7-Dec-10, at 8:11 AM, Curtis Maurand wrote:

 We used Rodopi.  If you can handle the fact that its Windows and
 ASP.NET
 and MSSQL server, its OK.  It works very well and very
 configurable.  We
 had it set up on Windows Small Business Server, that is the version
 with
 MSSQL server.

 For what its worth.

 --Curtis






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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-12-02 Thread Mark Nash
Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today.  I just tried calling 
their sales line. 920-351-1010.

Go ahead, call it. I dare you.

If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business 
long ago...

Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and 
B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each.  Then you 
press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail.  Try to hit 0 for 
the operator and you get mailbox not set up.

I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on 
this list about them.


On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
 Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems?
 Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus?

 We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients.
 I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them.
 Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing
 system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc.
 The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just
 wonder which maybe better.

 Shane
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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-12-02 Thread Mark Nash
Josh, I know that you  I have had completely different experiences with 
them.  No problem there, it is what it is.  It sounds like you're 
experiencing what I had hoped to experience from them.

My point is that I got very frustrated with their phone system being so 
made of bubble gum  duct tape that it just furthered my already 
disgruntled impression of them.  As a company.  I'm looking to buy some 
of their BMUs.

On 12/2/2010 12:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Hrm when it comes to sales I just call Kevin directly.  That's like once a 
 year.

 I call support very sparingly.  In the last ~16 hours we've emailed
 back half a dozen times on three topics.  Have you tried emailing
 them?  Not saying they shouldn't answer the phone, but rather a
 solution to the problem.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net  wrote:
 Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today.  I just tried calling
 their sales line. 920-351-1010.

 Go ahead, call it. I dare you.

 If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business
 long ago...

 Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and
 B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each.  Then you
 press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail.  Try to hit 0 for
 the operator and you get mailbox not set up.

 I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on
 this list about them.


 On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
 Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems?
 Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus?

 We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients.
 I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them.
 Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing
 system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc.
 The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just
 wonder which maybe better.

 Shane
 KP Performance




 
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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-12-02 Thread Mark Nash
Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with 
them.  There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not.  I've got 
alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner for me 
but it hasn't.

On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was going to 
 inquire about pricing but guess I won't.

 Sent from my iPhone4

 On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net  wrote:

 Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today.  I just tried calling
 their sales line. 920-351-1010.

 Go ahead, call it. I dare you.

 If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business
 long ago...

 Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and
 B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each.  Then you
 press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail.  Try to hit 0 for
 the operator and you get mailbox not set up.

 I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on
 this list about them.


 On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
 Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems?
 Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus?

 We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients.
 I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them.
 Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing
 system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc.
 The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just
 wonder which maybe better.

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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-12-02 Thread Mark Nash
I agree.  Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you intend to 
integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management.  That's where the real 
power is, though we're having problems still, with about 5 percent of 
our customers (those who have remote subnets, like a /30 or /29 or 
/24).  Also some little things.


Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable.  It's just that 
with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for EVERYTHING 
to work, in MY environment, and for there to be excellent support.  
We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of subs that I have.  For 
that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer dedicated to fixing my 
problems, all day, every day.


On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx.  I don't understand how 
so much could be done via shell to begin with (Imagestream).


The bmu is what makes the product work for your business.  If you  
just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money.


I care most about getting it done.  Phone, email, morse code I don't care.

On Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:

 Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with
 them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. I've got
 alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner 
for me

 but it hasn't.

 On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was 
going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't.


 Sent from my iPhone4

 On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:


 Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried calling
 their sales line. 920-351-1010.

 Go ahead, call it. I dare you.

 If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business
 long ago...

 Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a 
speakerphone and

 B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each. Then you
 press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit 0 for
 the operator and you get mailbox not set up.

 I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on
 this list about them.


 On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
 Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems?
 Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus?

 We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients.
 I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them.
 Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing
 system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc.
 The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just
 wonder which maybe better.

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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-12-02 Thread Mark Nash
Bandwidth throttling does not work with remote subnets.  We have to put 
in Mikrotik queues for any customer who has a remote subnet.  Also 
delinquent customers do not get shut off if they are using a remote subnet.


On 12/2/2010 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


What issues with remote subnets?  I have no issues with mine.  There 
are missing classes and such that  may be fixed soon.


On Dec 2, 2010 3:35 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:

 I agree. Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you intend to
 integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management. That's where the real
 power is, though we're having problems still, with about 5 percent of
 our customers (those who have remote subnets, like a /30 or /29 or
 /24). Also some little things.

 Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable. It's just that
 with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for 
EVERYTHING

 to work, in MY environment, and for there to be excellent support.
 We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of subs that I have. For
 that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer dedicated to fixing my
 problems, all day, every day.

 On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx. I don't understand how
 so much could be done via shell to begin with (Imagestream).

 The bmu is what makes the product work for your business. If you
 just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money.

 I care most about getting it done. Phone, email, morse code I don't 
care.


 On Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net

 mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:
  Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with
  them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. I've got
  alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner
 for me
  but it hasn't.
 
  On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
  That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was
 going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't.
 
  Sent from my iPhone4
 
  On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net

 mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:
 
  Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried 
calling

  their sales line. 920-351-1010.
 
  Go ahead, call it. I dare you.
 
  If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of 
business

  long ago...
 
  Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a
 speakerphone and
  B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each. 
Then you
  press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit 
0 for

  the operator and you get mailbox not set up.
 
  I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty 
vocal on

  this list about them.
 
 
  On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
  Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems?
  Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus?
 
  We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 
clients.

  I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them.
  Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a 
ticketing

  system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc.
  The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just
  wonder which maybe better.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-12-02 Thread Mark Nash
LOL that reminds me of Beavis  Butthead, where all things in the world 
are lumped into two categories: This RULES and THIS SUCKS.


Tony, your network may be much bigger than mine so billing problems show 
up more frequently, but, IMHO, billing is alright, not great, not 
perfect, just good.  It's not an accounting package, and our bookkeeper 
seems to get what she needs out of it to do the books every month.


About half of my customers pay with a check, and we put it in through 
Powercode, so I think your comment about forget it in powercode is a 
little extreme.


On 12/2/2010 1:00 PM, Tony C. Loosle wrote:
Powercode may be great with the BMU, but as for a billing system is 
really sucks!
Forget about basic accounting reports and simply things like a check 
deposit.  Yes, customers still pay with a check.   Forget about it in 
powercode!


 I agree.  Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you
 intend to integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management.  That's
 where the real power is, though we're having problems still, with
 about 5 percent of our customers (those who have remote subnets,
 like a /30 or /29 or /24).  Also some little things.

 Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable.  It's just
 that with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for
 EVERYTHING to work, in MY environment, and for there to be
 excellent support.  We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of
 subs that I have.  For that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer
 dedicated to fixing my problems, all day, every day.

 On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


 I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx.  I don't
 understand how so much could be done via shell to begin with
 (Imagestream).


 The bmu is what makes the product work for your business.  If you
 just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money.


 I care most about getting it done.  Phone, email, morse code I
 don't care.
 On Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:
 Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with
 them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. I've
 got
 alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner
 for me but it hasn't.

 On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't
 joking. I was going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't.

 Sent from my iPhone4

 On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net

 wrote:

 Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I
 just tried calling
 their sales line. 920-351-1010.

 Go ahead, call it. I dare you.

 If I had a phone system like theirs I would have
 been out of business
 long ago...

 Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A)
 on a speakerphone and
 B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10
 fans each. Then you
 press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail.
 Try to hit 0 for
 the operator and you get mailbox not set up.

 I've been using them for a few years now and have
 been pretty vocal on
 this list about them.


 On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
 Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a
 backend systems?
 Does anyone have experience with it compared to
 Platypus?

 We have a number of customers ranging between
 the 300 to 700 clients.
 I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to
 recommend them.
 Billing is an important piece but it also needs
 to have a ticketing
 system, be able to monitor clients, record
 history, etc.
 The two above I have received the most
 endorsements for and just
 wonder which maybe better.

 Shane
 KP Performance


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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-12-02 Thread Mark Nash

This is what I'm talking about though, Josh.

We identified this problem late in 2009.  We were told it would be 
fixed.  I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, but I know that's how it 
sounds.  There are no other words to use.


On 12/2/2010 1:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


That's what I was referring to, too.  They aren't applied to a class.  
I was told that will be fixed.  Glad there aren't MORE things to be 
concerned about.


On Dec 2, 2010 3:54 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:

 Bandwidth throttling does not work with remote subnets. We have to put
 in Mikrotik queues for any customer who has a remote subnet. Also
 delinquent customers do not get shut off if they are using a remote 
subnet.


 On 12/2/2010 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 What issues with remote subnets? I have no issues with mine. There
 are missing classes and such that may be fixed soon.

 On Dec 2, 2010 3:35 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net

 mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:
  I agree. Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you 
intend to

  integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management. That's where the real
  power is, though we're having problems still, with about 5 percent of
  our customers (those who have remote subnets, like a /30 or /29 or
  /24). Also some little things.
 
  Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable. It's just 
that

  with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for
 EVERYTHING
  to work, in MY environment, and for there to be excellent support.
  We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of subs that I have. For
  that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer dedicated to fixing my
  problems, all day, every day.
 
  On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
  I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx. I don't understand how
  so much could be done via shell to begin with (Imagestream).
 
  The bmu is what makes the product work for your business. If you
  just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money.
 
  I care most about getting it done. Phone, email, morse code I don't
 care.
 
  On Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net

 mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
  mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:

   Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with
   them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. 
I've got

   alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner
  for me
   but it hasn't.
  
   On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
   That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was
  going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't.
  
   Sent from my iPhone4
  
   On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net

 mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
  mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:

  
   Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried
 calling
   their sales line. 920-351-1010.
  
   Go ahead, call it. I dare you.
  
   If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of
 business
   long ago...
  
   Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a
  speakerphone and
   B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each.
 Then you
   press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit
 0 for
   the operator and you get mailbox not set up.
  
   I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty
 vocal on
   this list about them.
  
  
   On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
   Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems?
   Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus?
  
   We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700
 clients.
   I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them.
   Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a
 ticketing
   system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc.
   The two above I have received the most endorsements for and 
just

   wonder which maybe better.
  
   Shane
   KP Performance
  
  
  
  
  
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-12-02 Thread Mark Nash
I think it goes deeper than that.  It seems that if Bertram Wireless can 
use it, it gets done.  If UnwiredWest needs it, well they're just a 
paying customer...


On 12/2/2010 1:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Oh I know what you mean.  It seems they didn't care about anything 
until Simon showed up.  I think we completed the 477 tool and I have 
seen a couple changes/corrections myself, do I feel a lot better in 
the last month or two.


On Dec 2, 2010 4:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:

 This is what I'm talking about though, Josh.

 We identified this problem late in 2009. We were told it would be
 fixed. I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, but I know that's how it
 sounds. There are no other words to use.

 On 12/2/2010 1:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 That's what I was referring to, too. They aren't applied to a class.
 I was told that will be fixed. Glad there aren't MORE things to be
 concerned about.

 On Dec 2, 2010 3:54 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net

 mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:
  Bandwidth throttling does not work with remote subnets. We have 
to put

  in Mikrotik queues for any customer who has a remote subnet. Also
  delinquent customers do not get shut off if they are using a remote
 subnet.
 
  On 12/2/2010 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
  What issues with remote subnets? I have no issues with mine. There
  are missing classes and such that may be fixed soon.
 
  On Dec 2, 2010 3:35 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net

 mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
  mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:

   I agree. Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you
 intend to
   integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management. That's where 
the real
   power is, though we're having problems still, with about 5 
percent of

   our customers (those who have remote subnets, like a /30 or /29 or
   /24). Also some little things.
  
   Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable. It's just
 that
   with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for
  EVERYTHING
   to work, in MY environment, and for there to be excellent support.
   We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of subs that I 
have. For
   that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer dedicated to 
fixing my

   problems, all day, every day.
  
   On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  
   I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx. I don't 
understand how

   so much could be done via shell to begin with (Imagestream).
  
   The bmu is what makes the product work for your business. If you
   just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money.
  
   I care most about getting it done. Phone, email, morse code I 
don't

  care.
  
   On Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net

 mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
  mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
   mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
 mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:
Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't 
go with

them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not.
 I've got
alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the 
corner

   for me
but it hasn't.
   
On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. 
I was

   going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't.
   
Sent from my iPhone4
   
On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net

 mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
  mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
   mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
 mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:

   
Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried
  calling
their sales line. 920-351-1010.
   
Go ahead, call it. I dare you.
   
If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of
  business
long ago...
   
Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a
   speakerphone and
B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each.
  Then you
press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit
  0 for
the operator and you get mailbox not set up.
   
I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty
  vocal on
this list about them.
   
   
On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems

Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-12-02 Thread Mark Nash
Dunno man, and it's probably not worth bothering her over unless it's 
important to you to know how she does it (let me know if you'd like to 
know).  I know that we don't record invoices or payments in Quickbooks.


On 12/2/2010 2:48 PM, Tony C. Loosle wrote:

the reports don't exisit.
how does she get a list of paid checks out of the system to match up 
for a deposit?   I would love to know that one!



 LOL that reminds me of Beavis  Butthead, where all things in the
 world are lumped into two categories: This RULES and THIS SUCKS.

 Tony, your network may be much bigger than mine so billing problems
 show up more frequently, but, IMHO, billing is alright, not great,
 not perfect, just good.  It's not an accounting package, and our
 bookkeeper seems to get what she needs out of it to do the books
 every month.

 About half of my customers pay with a check, and we put it in
 through Powercode, so I think your comment about forget it in
 powercode is a little extreme.

 On 12/2/2010 1:00 PM, Tony C. Loosle wrote:


 Powercode may be great with
 the BMU, but as for a billing system is really sucks!

 Forget about basic accounting
 reports and simply things like a check deposit.  Yes, customers
 still pay with a check.   Forget about it in powercode!


 I agree.  Do
 NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you
 intend to
 integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management.  That's where the
 real power is, though we're having problems still, with about 5
 percent of our customers (those who have remote subnets, like a
 /30 or /29 or /24).  Also some little things.

 Don't get me
 wrong, the product is usable and valuable.  It's just that with
 what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for
 EVERYTHING to work, in MY environment, and for there to be
 excellent
 support.  We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of subs that
 I
 have.  For that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer dedicated
 to fixing my problems, all day, every day.

 On 12/2/2010
 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


 I
 believe that a major turn will be the Maxx.  I don't

 understand how so much could be done via shell to begin with

 (Imagestream).


 The
 bmu is what makes the product work for your business.  If you

 just
 do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money.


 I care
 most about getting it done.  Phone, email, morse code I

 don't
 care.
 On Dec
 2, 2010 3:12 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:

 Dude,
 talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go with

 them.
 There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. I've

 got
 alot
 invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would turn the corner

 for me
 but it hasn't.

 On
 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

 That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't

 joking. I was going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't.


 Sent from my iPhone4

 On
 Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net

 wrote:


 Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I
 just
 tried calling

 their sales line. 920-351-1010.


 Go ahead, call it. I dare you.


 If I had a phone system like theirs I would have
 been
 out of business

 long ago...


 Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A)

 on a
 speakerphone and

 B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10

 fans
 each. Then you

 press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail.

 Try to
 hit 0 for

 the operator and you get mailbox not set up.


 I've been using them for a few years now and have
 been
 pretty vocal on

 this list about them.


 On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:

 Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a

 backend systems?

 Does anyone have experience with it compared to

 Platypus?


 We have a number of customers ranging between
 the
 300 to 700 clients.

 I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to

 recommend them.

 Billing is an important piece but it also needs
 to
 have a ticketing

 system, be able to monitor clients, record

 history, etc.

 The two above I have received the most

 endorsements for and just

 wonder which maybe better.


 Shane

 KP Performance


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[WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude

2010-11-15 Thread Mark Nash
I'd like to hear from people who have switched from one of these free 
products to the other.

I'm considering a switch from Nagios to The Dude myself, but I'd like to 
hear pros  cons of either.

What did you switch from/to, and why?

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Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude

2010-11-15 Thread Mark Nash
We have Nagios for monitoring/alerting on:

- wireless network components : up/down, flapping, signal levels, is ssh 
interface responding?
- routers: up/down, flapping, utilization, is ssh interface responding?
- UPS: up/down, battery capacity, battery status, internal temperature, line 
power status, load capacity, is telnet interface responding?
- PDU (power distribution unit): up/down, is telnet interface responding?
- switches: up/down, is telnet interface responding?
- cluster monitoring (alert if XX number of CPEs of a particular AP goes into 
Warning, Critical, or Down status)
- linux server: up/down, current load, current users, rootpartition status, 
swap memory usage, total processes, are web  ssh interfaces responding?

Cacti for graphing:

- routers: interface traffic counters, CPU usage, memory usage
- linux servers: disk space, CPU usage, load average, memory usage, 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude


  What are you using it for?  If it's for monitoring servers (disk/cpu usage 
and such) Dude is a joke.  If it's for an easy GUI to position things relative 
to one another, Nagios is going to be difficult.

  Josh Luthman
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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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I'd like to hear from people who have switched from one of these free
products to the other.

I'm considering a switch from Nagios to The Dude myself, but I'd like to
hear pros  cons of either.

What did you switch from/to, and why?

Thanks !

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

2010-11-11 Thread Mark Nash
Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is what 
you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents actually 
LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone remember Kaypro  
WordStar?).

I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it 
WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I 
didn't execute.  Oh well.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Carullo 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...

  Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it 
in.  It figures out what to do where...  

  They can call it AIRverywhere


  Scott Carullo
  Technical Operations
  855-FLSPEED x102





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  From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  FYI



  I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, 
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and 
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every 
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my 
UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been SOLID for 
me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me.  My 
noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just 
doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My interference is now GONE. 
 My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a 
-95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all links  I call this one a WIN!



  As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J



  Just sharing.



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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

2010-11-11 Thread Mark Nash
We used those computers for packet sniffers at the university long ago... We 
called them lunchboxes
  - Original Message - 
  From: Forbes Mercy 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  My first LAPtop was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay 
baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green screen 
with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg.

  On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: 
Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is 
what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents 
actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone remember 
Kaypro  WordStar?).

I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it 
WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN.  I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I 
didn't execute.  Oh well.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Carullo 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...

  Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug 
it in.  It figures out what to do where...  

  They can call it AIRverywhere


  Scott Carullo
  Technical Operations
  855-FLSPEED x102





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  From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


  FYI



  I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, 
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and 
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every 
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my 
UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been SOLID for 
me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me.  My 
noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just 
doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My interference is now GONE. 
 My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a 
-95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all links  I call this one a WIN!



  As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J



  Just sharing.



  Me-





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[WISPA] Systems Management - Process

2010-11-05 Thread Mark Nash
This is lengthy, but worth discussion, I think...

I just had a long meeting with our general manager about Systems Management 
(monitoring, documenting, updating, etc)

Let me explain...

We ALL have systems to

1. monitor our network
2. document our systems (IP addresses, equipment type, etc)
3. document our IP usage (subnets, routing, etc)

We probably all have this information in different places.

As our networks and number of devices grow these systems can get out-of-hand 
and OUT-OF SYNC with each other!

Unless there is a good process in place to ensure that these systems get 
updated when components on our networks are added/removed/replaced/changed.

For instance... A new customer is added to our network... Information about 
that new customer goes into:

- billing (several things here...email address verified, pro-rate amount added 
for first month, valid billing address, name spelled correctly, correct price, 
contract signed  stored, etc)
- nagios (to monitor)
- IP documentation (so we don't duplicate IPs)
- equipment documentation (so we know what we're dealing with if we have to go 
out there again)
- name the association on the AP so it's easily identifiable

Then if that customer cancels...

- remove from billing
- remove from Nagios (so we stop monitoring)
- remove from IP documentation (so we can re-use that IP)
- remove equipment documentation

Or if that customer has to change towers on our network...

- change monitored IP address
- change IP documentation (so we can re-use the old IP)
- change equipment documentation (if necessary)
- name the association on the new AP so it's easily identifiable

Now let's consider replacing a backhaul goes down...

- change the routing to go to use a backup backhaul (we're using manual 
re-routing, not autmatic)
- change the hierarchy in our monitoring system (we use Nagios Parents so 
that devices that are behind a Down device is not Down itself, just 
Unreachable - saves the inbox from getting blasted if a backhaul goes down
- change the monitored IP address for the router at that site so we're 
monitoring an IP address that is going over the backup backhaul

Then you get it back up and you have to change these things back.

My point of all of this is that there are a TON of details to take care of, and 
if you try to grow fast you need systems and protocol in place to deal with all 
of this information.  Things get forgotten about, and your system can be a mess 
before you know it.

We have used the method of using checklists for client changes (new customer, 
repair order, disconnect).  

We're just now getting into cleaning up our systems  documentation on 
infrastructure components (routers  backhauls  APs - OH MY!!!).  We have alot 
of information about the initial deployment of infrastructure equipment, but as 
changes have happened, we have not kept up with it.

So we're looking at expanding upon our checklists for when infrastructure 
components are deployed/changed/removed.  We think this will help the chaos.

How about you?


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Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process

2010-11-05 Thread Mark Nash
We have a 2-pronged approach, actually...

Tech brings checklist back, someone in office processes it and slaps tech 
around if not complete or accurate enough to process...

:) With the right person in the office, this is just beginning to show signs of 
progress.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process


  I can tell you how I solved these problems but it might start a big thread 
again...

  The key is to force the documentation, activity (monitoring,  cpe function) 
and billing in sync.  I've not seen multiple applications stay together by 
human hand.  Maybe it would work if someone's entire job was dedicated to it.

  On Nov 5, 2010 5:36 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:



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Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process

2010-11-05 Thread Mark Nash
Yeah, when your goal is 2-3 COMPLETED installs per day, that system quickly 
gets out of hand ;).  Other companies on this list go for far more than me, too.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert West 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process


  My old system of writing it all on the back my business cards and discarded 
Burger King napkins found on the floor of the van worked for awhile but 
quickly failed.  Napkins sometimes got used for other purposes after they had 
the information on them so I have a no napkin rule as a result.  Paper Plates 
are a better choice, I found.  

   

   

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:46 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process

   

  I can tell you how I solved these problems but it might start a big thread 
again...

  The key is to force the documentation, activity (monitoring,  cpe function) 
and billing in sync.  I've not seen multiple applications stay together by 
human hand.  Maybe it would work if someone's entire job was dedicated to it.

  On Nov 5, 2010 5:36 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:



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Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process

2010-11-05 Thread Mark Nash
Also, we USED to have HUMONGOUS discrepancies in setting speed limits for 
customers before the traffic management was integrated with the billing system. 
 We use Powercode for this right now.

In the beginning, we speed limited people at each AP.  The biggest problem then 
was that people were not limited at all (this happened quite a bit), until I 
went in and mandated that every AP on our system was pre-populated with a 512k 
limit for every IP address on its subnet.  That did bring up the issue 
invevitably as people felt their connection was slow.

That took a load off of our systems being out of sync with our billing at 
least, then it was mainly monitoring and keeping track of IP addresses  
equipment types.

- Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process


  I can tell you how I solved these problems but it might start a big thread 
again...

  The key is to force the documentation, activity (monitoring,  cpe function) 
and billing in sync.  I've not seen multiple applications stay together by 
human hand.  Maybe it would work if someone's entire job was dedicated to it.

  On Nov 5, 2010 5:36 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:



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[WISPA] Fade Margin Calculation

2010-11-03 Thread Mark Nash
Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOSWe are in the process of going through our 
wireless network and expanding on what Nagios can do for us, like 
ReceiveSignalLevels.  This will allow us to monitor changes in signal levels 
and record history to see where we have signal loss problems.

Nagios allows you to set 3 statuses, OK, Warning, and Critical.  
Currently, across the board, we have established baselines for signal levels on 
each side of our backhauls, and told Nagios to report Warning if the signal 
drops 5dB.  If the signal drops by 10dB, go to Critical.

Given that we need to allow for more of a fade margin for longer links than 
shorter links...

Question: Does anyone have a calculation that you use for fade margin that 
accounts for target RSSI  distance?  We are using 5GHz unlicensed links solely.

Thanks!


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Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?

2010-11-01 Thread Mark Nash
Fair enough.  I also get bitchy sometimes when conversations go awry and the 
point is lost for something I care about, so...sorry for my part in that 
like I hope the guy's question about install vehicles actually got ANSWERED 
;)

You get what you pay for.  In the Mikrotik router game for port density 
there seems to be no middle ground where we have 10 or 12 ports but not with 
the horsepower that's out there now.

I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to 
include a switch:

2 for backhauls
3 for APs
1 for UPS
1 for remote power control unit
1 for laptop access when technician is there

I want to put these EVERYWHERE, and I don't want to pay $1400 just to add a 
router at every tower.  I've got 20 towers and I know others have way more 
than that.  20x$1400=$28000.  20x$400=$8000.

There are towers that I could use 3 or 4 more for additional access points, 
and some that need additional throughput and in those cases I could go for 
the higher end models.

I just looked at the docs for the RB1100...

It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch 
groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability

The two questions I have:

1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports 
can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group?
2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this?



- Original Message - 
From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?


 On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote:
 Well That's not what I said.  You took that leap.

 :-)  I only did so because your quoted price was in the range of the x86
 systems.  I didn't intend to offend, just thought it was funny that the
 comparison was made.  If it wasn't intentional and I read it wrong, then
 I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion.  Fair enough?

 What I said was that we need port density.  That was no joke.

 I agree.  I have mentioned to MT that they need to build a switch with
 more than 5 ports, too.  Of course, the response was deadly silent.

 Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not 
 the
 horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply.

 My suggestion for this is to use whatever box you are gonna need and a
 low cost managed switch that you can vlan.  You can buy Cisco switches
 off the secondary market for peanuts these days.  That gives you the
 physical ports and you can back it with whatever horsepower you may
 want/need.  If you want it all in one box, then you can build an rb800
 with the expansion board for even more ports than you'd get in an rb1100
 (and more power, too).

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Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?

2010-11-01 Thread Mark Nash
thanks Scott.

Does that mean that you can't bridge ports together that don't exist in the 
same switch group?

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?


2 Switch groups means you can either put any or all of the ports in a
 switch or any or all can be routed.
 The bypass is a pair of ports that if the power goes away are physically
 connected, so data just bypasses the router.

 On 11/1/2010 11:15 AM, Mark Nash wrote:
 Fair enough.  I also get bitchy sometimes when conversations go awry and 
 the
 point is lost for something I care about, so...sorry for my part in 
 that
 like I hope the guy's question about install vehicles actually got 
 ANSWERED
 ;)

 You get what you pay for.  In the Mikrotik router game for port density
 there seems to be no middle ground where we have 10 or 12 ports but not 
 with
 the horsepower that's out there now.

 I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to
 include a switch:

 2 for backhauls
 3 for APs
 1 for UPS
 1 for remote power control unit
 1 for laptop access when technician is there

 I want to put these EVERYWHERE, and I don't want to pay $1400 just to add 
 a
 router at every tower.  I've got 20 towers and I know others have way 
 more
 than that.  20x$1400=$28000.  20x$400=$8000.

 There are towers that I could use 3 or 4 more for additional access 
 points,
 and some that need additional throughput and in those cases I could go 
 for
 the higher end models.

 I just looked at the docs for the RB1100...

 It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch
 groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability

 The two questions I have:

 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports
 can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group?
 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this?



 - Original Message -
 From: Butch Evansbut...@butchevans.com
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?


 On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote:
 Well That's not what I said.  You took that leap.
 :-)  I only did so because your quoted price was in the range of the x86
 systems.  I didn't intend to offend, just thought it was funny that the
 comparison was made.  If it wasn't intentional and I read it wrong, then
 I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion.  Fair enough?

 What I said was that we need port density.  That was no joke.
 I agree.  I have mentioned to MT that they need to build a switch with
 more than 5 ports, too.  Of course, the response was deadly silent.

 Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but 
 not
 the
 horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply.
 My suggestion for this is to use whatever box you are gonna need and a
 low cost managed switch that you can vlan.  You can buy Cisco switches
 off the secondary market for peanuts these days.  That gives you the
 physical ports and you can back it with whatever horsepower you may
 want/need.  If you want it all in one box, then you can build an rb800
 with the expansion board for even more ports than you'd get in an rb1100
 (and more power, too).

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Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?

2010-10-29 Thread Mark Nash
HEY INDUSTRY!!! WE NEED MORE OF THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT OBVIOUSLY... ;)

Seriously, we are hungry for this type of port density that doesn't cost us 
$1400...

- Original Message - 
From: Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?


 Any idea if this batch will last with dealers until they get the
 following shipment?
 Otherwise I'm looking at having to order a half-year's supply right
 away just in case. (nice thing about MT is one can afford to overbuy
 to absorb their supply chain issues...)

 On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com 
 wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:49 -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 You and about 30 other WISPs are looking for them. Last I heard was
 end of November.

 My earliest expectation (this is VERY optimistic guess) is third week of
 November. That's what I'm told from MT and shippers.

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Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?

2010-10-29 Thread Mark Nash
Well Butch you like very much to tell people that's not what I said when 
someone disagrees with you.

Well That's not what I said.  You took that leap.

I wasn't comparing x86...don't even remember typing those characters on my 
keyboard.

What I said was that we need port density.  That was no joke.

Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the 
horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply.

- Original Message - 
From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?


 On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 15:31 -0700, Mark Nash wrote:
 Seriously, we are hungry for this type of port density that doesn't cost 
 us
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

2010-10-28 Thread Mark Nash
Andy, how do you like your Atmail?  

Are you using their hosted service, or do you have your own server?

How is it for allowing domain admins to administer their own domains, while 
still letting the ISP have access to ALL accounts?

It looks like the user is in control of their own spam settings, right?  Is 
that working well?

How is the support from Atmail?

We're looking at hosting our own mail again, not 3rd-party hosting any more.

Thanks for the info!

Mark
  - Original Message - 
  From: Andy Trimmell 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


  We've been using @Mail for quite some time.

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:07 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

   

  We're using Courier Mail.  www.tallon.com handles the servers for us.

   

  We've had very little trouble with it.

   

  I'm thinking of tucows though.  Just not sure if I can justify the increase 
in costs vs. what my in-house costs are.

  marlon

   

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Nash 

To: WISPA General List 

Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

 

We used to use Squirrel Mail and I though it was unprofessional.  The 
Everyone.Net web interface is very good.  It looks alot like Roundcube...

  - Original Message - 

  From: Martha Huizenga 

  To: WISPA General List 

  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:00 AM

  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

   

  I think Horde has definitely gotten better. I'll check out the others.

  martha

  Martha Huizenga
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  On 9/21/2010 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 

I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface ishard to 
use. Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had itand 
Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite. Josh LuthmanOffice: 937-552-2340Direct: 
937-552-23431100 Wayne StSuite 1337Troy, OH 45373   On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 
12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote:We use Horde for our 
webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy touse. Martha HuizengaDC 
Access, LLC202-546-5898Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!Connecting the 
Capitol Hill CommunityJoin us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter On 9/21/2010 
12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote: What user email client are you using? Are your 
users happy with it? Weare considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, 
but we need anemail client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky 
thanthe older web clients we were used to.   On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal 
Imtiaz wrote: We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos ServersBut 
if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service beforeGoogle. 
Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don'tmarket to 
yours and our customers. Regards. Faisal ImtiazSnappy Internet  Telecom  On 
9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:  Hello, We are currently using 
Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider forabout 60 domains and 1000 
email accounts. We are very displeased withtheir service and have decided to 
make a change.  Last time it was a bitof a shot in the dark, this time we would 
like to make a choice we canstick with for a long time. What 3rd-party 
providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ userrange? Responsive 
support is our number one demand, followed by servicereliability.  Does anyone 
have experience with Google mail services forbusiness? It is one among several 
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Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Nash
YES LOL ;)

Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig.  A friend of mine was 
trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone.  The cone had to 
fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom.

The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system.  He is the kind of guy 
who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself.  I don't have 
that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff.  Though he is a bit 
prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference.  Nobody 
else who opens my fridge knows, though.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment


  Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment?

  Josh Luthman
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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Nash
Yeah... and that's one of the reasons I keep THAT friend around... ;)  I 
stopped doing math in high school as soon as I could.  There's just no time in 
the day with 4 music classes on the schedule...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment


  I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place my 
projector.  There are more uses then people think.

  On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:
   YES LOL ;)
   
   Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was 
trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit 
a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom.
   
   The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of 
guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't 
have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit 
prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody 
else who opens my fridge knows, though.
   - Original Message - 
   From: Josh Luthman 
   To: WISPA General List 
   Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
   
   
   Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment?
   
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
   
   
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[WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-19 Thread Mark Nash
Question:  What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp 
without having a visual on the other side?

Details:

When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times.

The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end.

We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile.

Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge.  Azimuth is a different 
story.  If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what 
if you can't?

We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have 
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Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-19 Thread Mark Nash
Yeah that's what we do now.  I'd like to save the 2nd trip to the first site. ;)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment


  What we just did this month for SAF Lumina:

  Site 1, install it all
  Site 2, install it all, align
  Site 1, align

  We did cheat (compared it to a 5Ghz dish that we are upgrading).

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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:

Question:  What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp 
without having a visual on the other side?

Details:

When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times.

The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end.

We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile.

Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge.  Azimuth is a different 
story.  If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what 
if you can't?

We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we 
have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year.






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Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-19 Thread Mark Nash
(sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may 
not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post)

I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment


  You would need more people then.  You can't align the dish without both 
radios being powered.

  You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site.  Both install at the same 
time and they should finish around the same time frame.  Align before coming 
down at all.

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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in 
magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the 
binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point 
the dish there?


Greg


On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote:


  Question:  What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp 
without having a visual on the other side?

  Details:

  When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times.

  The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other 
end.

  We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile.

  Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge.  Azimuth is a 
different story.  If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, 
but what if you can't?

  We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and 
we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year.




  

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Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-19 Thread Mark Nash
Whoa declination is very important.  Wikipedia has a link to a NOAA calculator 
where you put in your ZIP code (or GPS coordinates), date,  tell it to compute 
your declination.  Then you have to know how to calculate it.  

Here's the link: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodels/Declination.jsp

You WILL be several degress off if you don't adjust for it on your compass.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cameron Crum 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment


  You also need to make sure that the software is taking into account magnetic 
declination, or that you know what your declination is if it is giving azimuth 
from true north. If you don't know what declination is, look it up. Otherwise 
you'll be several degrees off. 

  Cameron


  On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in 
magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the 
binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point 
the dish there?


Greg


On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote:


  Question:  What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp 
without having a visual on the other side?

  Details:

  When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times.

  The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other 
end.

  We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile.

  Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge.  Azimuth is a 
different story.  If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, 
but what if you can't?

  We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and 
we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year.




  

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Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-19 Thread Mark Nash
I wonder how accurate(ish) a GPS compass app would be on the 
iphone/blackberry/android.  Plug in the GPS coordinates of the other side and 
may get the link pretty close???  

At least close enough to know that you're pointing it in the right direction 
(picture fog all around you on the tower...staring out into nothing but 
fog...don't know which way is which due to winding roads to the tower).

If you're close enough, you will get a link when you put the other end of the 
link up, and you can at LEAST peak the 2nd dish, then go back to the first.  If 
you're way off, they won't link, and you end up spinning your wheels.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment


  That's not realistically possible.  You would have to be extraordinarily 
lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:

(sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it 
may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post)

I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment


  You would need more people then.  You can't align the dish without both 
radios being powered.

  You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site.  Both install at the same 
time and they should finish around the same time frame.  Align before coming 
down at all.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in 
magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the 
binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point 
the dish there? 


Greg


On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote:


  Question:  What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a 
ptp without having a visual on the other side?

  Details:

  When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different 
times.

  The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the 
other end.

  We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile.

  Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge.  Azimuth is a 
different story.  If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, 
but what if you can't?

  We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, 
and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year.




  

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Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-19 Thread Mark Nash
Wow what an awesome range of responses.

What a value to WISPA, eh?

Thanks everyone!  We've definitely improved our practices today...

Mark
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Patient 
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  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment


  We  hillbilly them up all the time and most of the time don't need to go 
back to tower 1.  Every once in a while we might have to go back and tweak the 
alignment a little.  I use Delorme Topo USA and a GPS receiver on my laptop.  
Mark both locations and draw a line between the towers.  Zoom in and start 
walking directly away from the tower in the direction of the link and keep the 
little arrow thingy on the line.  I go out a few hundred feet, make sure I'm on 
the line and drop a direction target to shoot at. 

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  On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: 
Question:  What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp 
without having a visual on the other side?

Details:

When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times.

The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end.

We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile.

Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge.  Azimuth is a different 
story.  If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what 
if you can't?

We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we 
have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year.





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Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

2010-10-15 Thread Mark Nash
I can respect your frustration, Forbes.  Some may remember a thread that I 
brought up Is RIP Stable because our network engineer swore up  down that 
RIP was flaky between two sites and the upstream router was dropping all the 
routes to this site every few minutes etc etc etc yada yada yada blah blah 
blah.

Knowing that it just didn't seem right, I told him that something is 
configured incorrectly and that's that.

I made our manager sit down with him and watch him go over the RIP config 
line by line.  Since Mikrotik doesn't allow you to put comments on each 
network or neighbor statement, had to look up each IP in our 
documentation.

Was time-consuming, but he found HIS mistake. ;)

My point is, keep working from your edge back and you'll find it. 
Persistence.  Good luck.

Mark

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From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager


  The response to my request has been overwhelming, this morning it was
 amazing, response after great response.  Because of the strong
 insistence that Mikrotik is so great we are trying to make it work.
 Dennis helped a lot by setting up remote sys log using software we
 already have.  We are setting up Network Monitoring, as we speak and we
 are already catching some culprits that have been causing a little
 havoc.  With our upgrade to 100MB next week we wanted hardware that can
 handle it, this is a learning process and we're so happy to have had the
 help in better understanding networks.

 We won't overreact and just dump Mikrotik but now with the ability to
 maybe catch what's causing the problem we can rest a little easier
 knowing that when it happens, and it will, we can read the log file and
 hope it's something so simple we'll just kick ourselves, as Dennis
 said, we hope so.  The offers for help included three members committing
 to fly up there this weekend if we need them, Wow what a great group
 of people here!

 Thanks to everyone for their help, it's the best of WISPA when everyone
 pitches in to help a WISP in trouble.

 Forbes Mercy
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Re: [WISPA] Check this Trencher out

2010-10-07 Thread Mark Nash
Let's all chip in and buy 5, regionally.

- Original Message - 
From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:43 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Check this Trencher out


 http://www.lineward.com/products.html


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Re: [WISPA] MUM USA

2010-10-03 Thread Mark Nash
Butch... Were you at the MUM?  My guy Justin was trying to get ahold of 
you...

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
1702 W. 2nd Ave
Suite A
Eugene, OR 97402
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MUM USA


 On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 07:34 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I thought MUM was the word.

 No...BIRD is the word(or haven't you heard?)

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Re: [WISPA] MUM USA

2010-10-03 Thread Mark Nash
He wasn't there.  He's trying to get ahold of you to give you some 
consulting $$ :)

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
1702 W. 2nd Ave
Suite A
Eugene, OR 97402
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MUM USA


 On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 20:02 -0700, Mark Nash wrote:
 Butch... Were you at the MUM?  My guy Justin was trying to get ahold of
 you...

 I was there for sure.  I spoke to nearly all 100+ people in attendance,
 so it's likely I talked to him.  Which Justin?

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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

2010-09-21 Thread Mark Nash
Josh, have you set up multiple domains within Gmail?  For the number of 
users we're talking about?

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


I've used Gmail for a couple of years now.  No cost, no issues.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Justin Mann
justinl...@unwiredwest.com wrote:
 Hello,

 We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
 about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
 their service and have decided to make a change. Last time it was a bit
 of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
 stick with for a long time.

 What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
 range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
 reliability. Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
 business? It is one among several we are considering.




 
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

2010-09-21 Thread Mark Nash
We used to use Squirrel Mail and I though it was unprofessional.  The 
Everyone.Net web interface is very good.  It looks alot like Roundcube...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Martha Huizenga 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


  I think Horde has definitely gotten better. I'll check out the others.

  martha

  Martha Huizenga
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  202-546-5898
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  On 9/21/2010 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface is
hard to use.

Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had it
and Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote:
We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy to
use.

Martha Huizenga
DC Access, LLC
202-546-5898
Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter

On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote:

What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We
are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an
email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than
the older web clients we were used to.



On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
Google.

Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't
market to yours and our customers.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom


On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:


Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
stick with for a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
business? It is one among several we are considering.





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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

2010-09-21 Thread Mark Nash
Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, Zimbra seems very full-featured and very 
pricey over time... I was looking at the appliances.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Michael Baird 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


  Zimbra is ahead of all of those, and it is a complete system that scales very 
well and is based on open software.

  Regards
  Michael Baird

I think Horde has definitely gotten better. I'll check out the others.

martha

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DC Access, LLC
202-546-5898
Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter



On 9/21/2010 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface is
hard to use.

Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had it
and Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote:
We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy to
use.

Martha Huizenga
DC Access, LLC
202-546-5898
Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter

On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote:

What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We
are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an
email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than
the older web clients we were used to.



On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
Google.

Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't
market to yours and our customers.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom


On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:


Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
stick with for a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
business? It is one among several we are considering.





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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

2010-09-21 Thread Mark Nash
That sounds attractive.  I made the ultimate decision to move to outsourced 
email due to one driving factor: fear.  Fear of losing our server and not 
having a backup, or having a backup that was too old.  Nightly backups of 
the mail server is just not enough.  With this many users, email is being 
delivered non-stop, so if you don't have up-to-the-moment mirroring, you've 
lost data when your server goes down.

- Original Message - 
From: Tom Fadgen tfad...@coastinet.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


I use a fully redundant(2) mail server setup from Netwinsite.com  called
 Surgemail. It has a very good webmail interface, fast, and it runs on 
 Linux
 or Windows.


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Lambert
 Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:23:23AM -0700, Justin Mann wrote:
 Hello,

 We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider
 for about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased
 with their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it
 was a bit of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a
 choice we can stick with for a long time.

 We migrated an acquired domain from Everyone.net to our server
 running FreeBSD, Cyrus-IMAPd, Postfix, Squirrelmail and Roundcube
 mail.  Everyone.net does way too much advertising to the users.

 If you don't want to run your own, find a WISP you like nearby, or
 not if you worry about competition, who does.  Pay them what you
 have been paying Everyone.net.  Keep it in the family.

 60 domains with 1000 accounts is a pretty easy add to an existing
 ISP style system, or a complete seperate (possibly virtual) mail
 server.

 -- 
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

2010-09-21 Thread Mark Nash
Their demo of their web client looks awesome...

What's the pricing like?  We're paying $.35 to $.45 for accounts now.

Per domain branding?  How was the migration?

- Original Message - 
From: Layne Sisk la...@serverplus.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


 We use BlueTie and just recently migrated about 10,000 more users to
 their service.  Tasks, calendaring, contacts, and up to 10G of storage.
 We found it was cheaper than doing it in-house, and better.  You can get
 a trial account at their website www.bluetie.com, and test it out.  If
 you like it let me know and I can help you out with more info and
 pricing.

 -Layne

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 www.ServerPlus.com



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Justin Mann
 Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:23 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Email hosting

 Hello,

 We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for

 about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
 their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit

 of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
 stick with for a long time.

 What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user

 range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
 reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
 business? It is one among several we are considering.




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Mark Nash
We don't charge for trees or something that should have been handled at the 
time of install.

When we bill, we bill at $80/hr, 1/2 hr minimum, one-way drive time.

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment


  Yep, trees = our fault, our cost.  If they want it moved for
 aesthetics, etc., normal service rate.
 We do 1/2 price installs for customers that move.

 On 9/20/2010 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Same here.

 If they want it moved because it was on their barn and want it
 elsewhere, that's a charge.

 If it's simple tree growth, no charge.  If our mounting falls off
 because of the wrong screw, no charge.

 Basically if it is our fault or poor foresight no charge but if they
 want something special we charge.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com  wrote:
 If it's tree growth, no.   That means we messed up during install.

 If the customers moves to a new house, we recharge the installation fee.

 Marco

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:52 PM, ~NGL~n...@ngl.net  wrote:
 Do you charge when you have to relocate and rewire the equipment at a
 clients location, because the trees have grown to a point where the 
 signal
 is very weak? If so at what rate?
 NGL

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 From: Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:19 PM
 To:wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol

 Thanks guys!

    
 Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
 http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com

 On 9/20/2010 3:14 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
 DA5W-29-DP-FEED

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
 wrote:
 I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns.  Anyone
 have a part number for them?

    
 Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection 
 U.P.
 http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com

 On 9/17/2010 5:42 PM, David E. Smith wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:36, Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
 mailto:ch...@uplogon.com  wrote:

  We have some older Pac Wireless 2' 5.8Mhz 29db parabolic 
 dishes
 serving
  as a PtP link.  We are going to be upgrading the radios 
 connected
 to
  these dishes, and the new radios support dual polarity.  Does
 anyone
  know if you can just swap out the feed horn on the dishes from
 single
  pol to dual pol?  Would sure be easier than hauling up a whole 
 new
 dish
  setup.  If this would work, anyone got sources that i can buy 
 just
 a
  feed horn?  Thanks.


 I forget where we bought the feedhorns from, but this can be done.

 We actually just replaced two of them, doing exactly what you 
 describe.
 There was a catch, though. The feedhorn has two N connectors, a few
 inches and ninety degrees apart. One of the two dishes had a 
 smaller
 hole in the center, and my climber had to take up snips and a rasp, 
 and
 basically put a small notch in the center of the dish, to get the 
 new
 feedhorn to fit. The other dish was older, or newer, or something, 
 and
 already had a suitable small notch in the center.

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Re: [WISPA] Most effective Marketing / Advertisement

2010-09-20 Thread Mark Nash
road signs - 7
word of mouth - 6 but takes a long time
direct mail - 4
service trucks - 3

The trick is to use multiple so that you get 3-4 (touches) to your potential 
client to gain a trust.

- Original Message - 
From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
To: motor...@afmug.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:28 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Most effective Marketing / Advertisement


 What have been the most effective Marketing or Advertising tools some
 of you have used?

 Rated 0-10, 0 being worst, 10 being Best

 For us:

 Newspaper Advertisement --  0
 Road Signs -- 7
 Direct Mail -- 2
 Demo Trucks -- 5
 Billboards -- 3
 Word of Mouth -- 7





 -- 
 Marco C. Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036


 
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Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Mark Nash
This is not an accounting issue.

Unless you're married to or otherwise entangled with said accountant.

Then it's an accounting issue.

- Original Message - 
From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment


 That was my thought, but the accountant disagrees.
 Thanx


 --
 From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:13 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

  Yep, trees = our fault, our cost.  If they want it moved for
 aesthetics, etc., normal service rate.
 We do 1/2 price installs for customers that move.

 On 9/20/2010 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Same here.

 If they want it moved because it was on their barn and want it
 elsewhere, that's a charge.

 If it's simple tree growth, no charge.  If our mounting falls off
 because of the wrong screw, no charge.

 Basically if it is our fault or poor foresight no charge but if they
 want something special we charge.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 If it's tree growth, no.   That means we messed up during install.

 If the customers moves to a new house, we recharge the installation 
 fee.

 Marco

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:52 PM, ~NGL~n...@ngl.net  wrote:
 Do you charge when you have to relocate and rewire the equipment at a
 clients location, because the trees have grown to a point where the
 signal
 is very weak? If so at what rate?
 NGL

 --
 From: Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:19 PM
 To:wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol

 Thanks guys!

    
 Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
 http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com

 On 9/20/2010 3:14 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
 DA5W-29-DP-FEED

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
 wrote:
 I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns. 
 Anyone
 have a part number for them?

    
 Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection
 U.P.
 http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com

 On 9/17/2010 5:42 PM, David E. Smith wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:36, Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
 mailto:ch...@uplogon.com  wrote:

  We have some older Pac Wireless 2' 5.8Mhz 29db parabolic
 dishes
 serving
  as a PtP link.  We are going to be upgrading the radios
 connected
 to
  these dishes, and the new radios support dual polarity.  Does
 anyone
  know if you can just swap out the feed horn on the dishes 
 from
 single
  pol to dual pol?  Would sure be easier than hauling up a 
 whole
 new
 dish
  setup.  If this would work, anyone got sources that i can buy
 just
 a
  feed horn?  Thanks.


 I forget where we bought the feedhorns from, but this can be done.

 We actually just replaced two of them, doing exactly what you
 describe.
 There was a catch, though. The feedhorn has two N connectors, a 
 few
 inches and ninety degrees apart. One of the two dishes had a
 smaller
 hole in the center, and my climber had to take up snips and a 
 rasp,
 and
 basically put a small notch in the center of the dish, to get the
 new
 feedhorn to fit. The other dish was older, or newer, or something,
 and
 already had a suitable small notch in the center.

 David Smith
 MVN.net





 
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Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Mark Nash
We do pay attention to those variables.

- Original Message - 
From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment


 We don't charge only because we are in a competitive environment and
 sell to business that have contracts; thus we can charge more on the MTM
 rates. If you're the only game in town I see no reason why not to charge
 (might as well take advantage of being a monopoly), but if they could
 leave to go somewhere else then it really comes down to what your ROI is
 and if you can afford to lose a customer.

 On 09/20/2010 05:38 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Right, it's an operational/procedural issue.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net  wrote:

 This is not an accounting issue.

 Unless you're married to or otherwise entangled with said accountant.

 Then it's an accounting issue.

 - Original Message -
 From: ~NGL~n...@ngl.net
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment



 That was my thought, but the accountant disagrees.
 Thanx


 --
 From: Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:13 PM
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment


   Yep, trees = our fault, our cost.  If they want it moved for
 aesthetics, etc., normal service rate.
 We do 1/2 price installs for customers that move.

 On 9/20/2010 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Same here.

 If they want it moved because it was on their barn and want it
 elsewhere, that's a charge.

 If it's simple tree growth, no charge.  If our mounting falls off
 because of the wrong screw, no charge.

 Basically if it is our fault or poor foresight no charge but if they
 want something special we charge.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 If it's tree growth, no.   That means we messed up during install.

 If the customers moves to a new house, we recharge the installation
 fee.

 Marco

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:52 PM, ~NGL~n...@ngl.netwrote:

 Do you charge when you have to relocate and rewire the equipment at 
 a
 clients location, because the trees have grown to a point where the
 signal
 is very weak? If so at what rate?
 NGL

 --
 From: Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:19 PM
 To:wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol


 Thanks guys!

    
 Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection 
 U.P.
 http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com

 On 9/20/2010 3:14 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

 DA5W-29-DP-FEED

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris 
 Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
 wrote:

 I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns.
 Anyone
 have a part number for them?

    
 Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection
 U.P.
 http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com

 On 9/17/2010 5:42 PM, David E. Smith wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:36, Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
 mailto:ch...@uplogon.comwrote:

   We have some older Pac Wireless 2' 5.8Mhz 29db parabolic
 dishes
 serving
   as a PtP link.  We are going to be upgrading the radios
 connected
 to
   these dishes, and the new radios support dual polarity. 
 Does
 anyone
   know if you can just swap out the feed horn on the dishes
 from
 single
   pol to dual pol?  Would sure be easier than hauling up a
 whole
 new
 dish
   setup.  If this would work, anyone got sources that i can 
 buy
 just
 a
   feed horn?  Thanks.


 I forget where we bought the feedhorns from, but this can be 
 done.

 We actually just replaced two of them, doing exactly what you
 describe.
 There was a catch, though. The feedhorn has two N connectors, a
 few
 inches and ninety degrees apart. One of the two dishes had a
 smaller
 hole in the center, and my climber had to take up snips and a
 rasp,
 and
 basically put a small notch in the center of the dish, to get 
 the
 new
 feedhorn to fit. The other dish was older, or newer, or 
 something,
 and
 already had a suitable small notch in the center.

 David Smith
 MVN.net





 
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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology.  For me, 
it's the build-it-yourself radios.  All of them.  Mikrotik  StarOS.  For 
me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in 
redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee 
something's going to malfunction.

Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of 
faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of 
the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer.

- Original Message - 
From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM
Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik


  I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every
 Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT.
 I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just
 dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today
 another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers.  You
 can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause
 and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik.




 
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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Mark Nash
We will, however, continue to use Mikrotik for ethernet routers.  Thought 
that was fair to say.  We don't like the build-it-yourself WIRELESS 
devices...

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik


 There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology.  For me,
 it's the build-it-yourself radios.  All of them.  Mikrotik  StarOS. 
 For
 me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in
 redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee
 something's going to malfunction.

 Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap 
 of
 faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much 
 of
 the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik


  I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every
 Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT.
 I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just
 dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today
 another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers.  You
 can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause
 and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik.




 
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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Mark Nash
Also, to be fair, I've never had a problem with Mikrotik because I have 
never used Mikrotik radios (neither CPE or AP).  We've had StarOS.

So, while my frustration comes from StarOS wireless devices, I lump Mikrotik 
in with them because of the build-them-yourself nature of them.

We actually LOVE the StarOS software, and Mikrotik is even more 
feature-rich.  Just don't want to have to put up with the hardware and 
touchy installation of that hardware.

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik


  YMMV.  I've had near flawless performance from my Mikrotik systems.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 9/16/2010 1:04 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every
 Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT.
 I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just
 dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today
 another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers.  You
 can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause
 and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik.




 
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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

2010-09-16 Thread Mark Nash
Agreed.  You're going to find MT products that suit your needs.

UBNT is getting my business these days because of 2 things... cost  trust. 
They've made a huge impact on the WISP business, no denying that.  They've 
done it by creating a product that can be trusted at a good price point.

Quality control from a reputable, proven company is important to me, more 
important than features.  This was an ideal that made me want to go to 
Trangos everywhere even though they were more expensive.  I didn't want to 
pay Trango pricing, but I have realized that there is, by and large, a cost 
to cheap.

Now, enter UBNT, a manufacturer who has invested in their business enough to 
develop processes that lower the manufacturing costs while maintaining a 
reasonable quality.

I hope this pays off... We all gamble with our money, don't we?  The need to 
drive cost down is a giant weight around our necks.  Those who gamble with 
someone else's money use Moto or Trango in my experience.  I know of a WISP 
who has about 800 customers using Trango gear and they only have about 2 
service calls a month.  I say to myself that would be nice.  But then I 
say to myself for 5 years now I've paid for absolutely EVERYTHING out of my 
checking account...my money.  That WISP with 800 users  2 service calls 
per month...owes more money than they're worth.

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik


  There are many vendors offering built CPEs and APs based on MT
 hardware.  They don't have to build-it-yourself just because MT doesn't
 do the packaging.

 On 9/16/2010 3:23 PM, Mark Nash wrote:
 Also, to be fair, I've never had a problem with Mikrotik because I have
 never used Mikrotik radios (neither CPE or AP).  We've had StarOS.

 So, while my frustration comes from StarOS wireless devices, I lump 
 Mikrotik
 in with them because of the build-them-yourself nature of them.

 We actually LOVE the StarOS software, and Mikrotik is even more
 feature-rich.  Just don't want to have to put up with the hardware and
 touchy installation of that hardware.

 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik


   YMMV.  I've had near flawless performance from my Mikrotik systems.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 9/16/2010 1:04 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
 I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every
 Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT.
 I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just
 dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today
 another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. 
 You
 can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause
 and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of 
 Mikrotik.




 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video

2010-09-15 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Tower Climb videoYeah Oh but clipping  unclipping makes me 
tiirred. (my best whiny voice via email).

How about being dead?  

I don't care WHAT OSHA allows.  I don't trust ANYONE's hand not to slip.  
Even though OSHA may say it's OK, how irresponsible of them to put this video 
out to the general public.  And why, anyway?  What is gained except for 
glorifying this activity?  Yeesh...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jerry Richardson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video


  Makes my palms sweat just watching it

   

  WTF isn't he tied off? What an idiot

   

  - Jerry

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:28 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Tower Climb video

   

  Mikrotik posted this on their Facebook post.  I don't see the guy clipping 
off or a safety climb so don't do as he does (unless I missed the safety 
portion).

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Comment Deadline Sept 16th. All WISPsfile immediately.

2010-09-15 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
As will we...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeremie Chism 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Comment Deadline Sept 16th. All WISPsfile 
immediately.


  Will make time today. 

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:


Update on TV Whitespaces Comments:



There are currently 44 WISP comments publicized on the FCC Website 
supporting the WISPA proposal.  Keep up the good work but we still need more!



We need everyone to take 15 minutes out of your busy day to voice your 
opinion on the WISPA TV Whitespaces filing.  We have attached a template letter 
that you can use.



1. Download attachment and customize it.  Can be submitted as DOC or PDF.  
It is as simple as adding your name and bits of information about your specific 
need.

2. Submit to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc with the 
proceeding numbers 04-186 and 02-380.



Give me a call if you have any questions.





UPDATE:  WISP Filing updates are beginning to show up in the FCC database.  
Good job and thank you to those who have filed.  Go to 
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment_search/input?z=vd7pb and search for 
04-186 to read other WISP comments.  More importantly, get your comments filed 
pronto.  The deadline is September 16, 2010.  We need a good showing from the 
WISP industry to substantiate the importance of our industry in the decision 
making process.  This is not about WISPA, it is about your future and the WISP 
industry.



All WISPs,



This week, WISPA filed comments on the TV Whitespaces once again.  The FCC 
is set to make decisions on this crucial topic very soon.  It is imperative for 
all operators to take a few minutes and file individual comments to the FCC 
about Unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces spectrum this week.  Please don’t 
procrastinate as the timeline is fairly short.



I have attached a template support letter that Jack Unger has written to 
make your support and comment filing easier.  Jack, Steve Coran and the FCC 
committee has worked hard for several years and especially in our recent 
filing.  We need to support their hard work efforts and produce a mass support 
campaign to give the WISPA filing even more credibility.  WISPs need more 
spectrum and we need spectrum that will penetrate foliage and other obstacles.  
This is our opportunity and essentially our obligation to stand up for our 
needs before this crucial decision is made.  The WISPA filing can be read at 
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020911589.  



Please customize the attached template letter with your company information 
and if you want to add additional “local” flavor, it is accepted.  The FCC 
staff will read each letter and register the support for the WISPA filing to 
assist them in making this tough decision.  We have received excellent comments 
back from the FCC, other trade associations and manufacturers about this filing 
and now our membership and industry participants need to stand up and be 
counted as well.



Once you have customized the letter, please make a .pdf copy or a .doc file 
and upload it at the following website.  
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc.  If you choose not to use 
the WISPA template letter but want to write your own comments, you can either 
follow the previous procedure or use the Express filing method at 
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=nc5cd.  The proceeding number is 
04-186.



I cannot stress how important this is for each WISP company to do.  I hope 
to search the filings Monday morning and find 1000 or more new comments 
supporting the WISPA filing.  Take the time and “git r dun” before your busy 
work schedule begins again Monday morning.



Respectfully,



Rick Harnish

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.





Rick Harnish

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WISPA

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866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org



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Re: [WISPA] Breezecom PRO.11 Configuration Utility

2010-09-15 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Didn't know they had a utility.  Just connected serially through a terminal 
emulator like HyperTerminal with one of those special cables...

If it's BreezeNET then you may not have telnet access to them.  But you 
should be able to serial into them...

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From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:15 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Breezecom PRO.11 Configuration Utility


 Any of the old timers have a copy of this old hag laying around?

 Tnx

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[WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite 
sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP 
not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this 
site.  Everywhere else, we're using RIP.

Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop.  
So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday.  9 APs 
and 2 backhauls.

Using Mikrotik ethernet routers...

Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really 
interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday.

My question is this...

Is RIP solid?  It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the 
beginning years when I was doing everything.  But it seems that we have many 
problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it.  It's a very easy protocol to 
administer  configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many 
problems when things are properly configured.

I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and 
that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, 
etc.  That is not my question.

When properly configured...Is RIP solid?  We have about 900 customers and about 
20 tower sites.


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Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one 
answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable?  That person that answered 
said Yes.

There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an 
issue for us.  We do not *intentionally* have routing loops.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeremy Parr 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols


  On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote:

Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though.  Nortel
is one (or at least was).

  If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be 
discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and migrate to OSPF. 



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Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
We know how to avoid routing loops.  As I said before, RIP has been around for 
decades and I know it well.  

Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and 
don't understand.  Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation 
of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and 
that's why I'm having a problem. 

It's philosophical.  I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one 
person knew things about my network that I didn't know.  I don't like that 
feeling.  I know that I can do RIP.  I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to.

If it's stable and works like it should ;)

Thus my question...
  - Original Message - 
  From: L. Aaron Kaplan 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols




  On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote:


I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one 
answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable?  That person that answered 
said Yes.



  Sure, if you want to have stable routing loops :))






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Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Yes, there are lots of old things in my head.  I can dig out my old Netware CNE 
badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a 
first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our 
country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now.  

And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my 
business.

If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling 
*enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my 
previous post.  I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke  mirrors masking 
an ACTUAL problem.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeremy Parr 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols


  On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote:

We know how to avoid routing loops.  As I said before, RIP has been around 
for decades and I know it well.  

Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and 
don't understand.  Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation 
of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and 
that's why I'm having a problem. 

It's philosophical.  I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when 
one person knew things about my network that I didn't know.  I don't like that 
feeling.  I know that I can do RIP.  I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to.

If it's stable and works like it should ;)

  Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. 
;-P 



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Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Ooooh forgot that one useless thing I did...led the team at Oregon State 
University that developed the implementation standard for Microsoft's Active 
Directory partitioning  replication, over a decade ago...still in use today 
with several hundred servers.  No need to mention the old ccMail system with 
over 300 post office databases sitting on Novell servers for which I  another 
guy wrote a series of batch files  apps nested 8 levels deep, to replicate 
directory changes between the post office databases...before ccMail had a 
directory update app that worked.  That was fun. 

Good stuff for a laugh and a nod for those who understand us older guys and 
our older protocols.
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  From: Mark Nash - Lists 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols


  Yes, there are lots of old things in my head.  I can dig out my old Netware 
CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as 
a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our 
country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now.  

  And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my 
business.

  If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling 
*enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my 
previous post.  I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke  mirrors masking 
an ACTUAL problem.
- Original Message - 
From: Jeremy Parr 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols


On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote:

  We know how to avoid routing loops.  As I said before, RIP has been 
around for decades and I know it well.  

  Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with 
and don't understand.  Since I don't really have anything to do with the 
operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF 
and that's why I'm having a problem. 

  It's philosophical.  I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when 
one person knew things about my network that I didn't know.  I don't like that 
feeling.  I know that I can do RIP.  I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to.

  If it's stable and works like it should ;)

Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. 
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Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Mikrotik ethernet routers for larger sites.  On smaller sites, we have some 
StarOS access points (such as 4-port METRO) running RIP.

- Original Message - 
From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols


 On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 13:16 -0700, Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
 I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard
 one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable?  That person
 that answered said Yes.

 If the question is Is RIP stable?, then the answer is yes.  What
 platform are you running?  If you already said this, I missed it, as I
 unintentionally deleted about 1/2 of the posts in this thread this
 morning.

 There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which
 is not an issue for us.  We do not *intentionally* have routing loops.

 If you have under 15 hops to your deepest leg, then RIP should work
 well for you.  I agree with your assessment that there is no real
 compelling reason to change.  If you are moving away from the network,
 then it may be worth investigating suggestions to move from your new
 admins, however.  Beyond that, RIP makes a good enough solution.


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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] FCC Form 477 Due Sept. 1st **OFFLIST**

2010-08-31 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
We are using Powercode...

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: memb...@wispa.org
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] FCC Form 477 Due Sept. 1st


If anyone using Powercode has yet to do this or is working on this
today let me know.  I have some instructions that will save you some
time.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:
 This is the final reminder that FCC Form 477 is due tomorrow. All 
 broadband
 service providers, (telecommunications, cable, and broadband over power 
 line
 providers) must report broadband services by census tract, type of
 technology, and upload and download speeds on the FCC’s Form 477. The Form
 477 is due twice a year - in March and September.



 http://www.fcc.gov/form477/

 File Online

 Tutorial

 Technical FAQ



 This is not an invitation to discuss the politics which created this law.
 It is a law that Broadband Providers need to abide by. Providers that do
 not abide by this law are more at risk of subsidized overbuild through
 Broadband Stimulus Grants and other funded sources.



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