Re: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?

2012-11-02 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
LOL  Love those palm trees!  I used to live there, don't envy you a bit.  grin

I normally turn my radios way down anyway.  With the sensitivity of today's 
radios there's no need for hot links.

30 to 35dB of s/n is, in my not so humble opinion way too much.  That's well 
within the range of multipath signals.  Lower power may actually help this link 
perform better.

The fact that the rssi is frozen is strange.  If there is no link there should 
be no rssi either.  I wonder about the health of the board.  This sounds a lot 
more like a lockup than it does a signal issue.

I don't know anything about the configuration that you have built so I don't 
know what it should be telling you.

Is it possible for you to just replace the ap with something more standard and 
newer?

I can do a really good AP for under a $500 these days.  With good boards, an 
amazing hinged enclosure, lots of room etc.  We've gotten things dialed in so 
that there is NO need for 25 tools, tape or anything up on the tower.  A screw 
driver and crescent wrench is about all that's needed to swap parts, including 
antennas.

Sometimes it costs more to try to fix a problem like this than it does to just 
replace the gear.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Sharples 
  To: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) ; WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?


  When the problem happens, the rssi is frozen so I suspect there's actually 
no connectivity any more. Definitely no data. I haven't been able to get 
someone to look at the other end while it's happening, to see what they see.  
During normal operation the s/n is around 30 to 35 db on the varous legs, and 
bandwidth, latency, etc is as we would expect. As you probably know the CM9s 
only put out around 50 mw but that's usually adequate for short-haul apps like 
this.

  At present I can't access the system at all,  because the client has 
apparently allowed palm trees to grow into the path of the 5-mile (XR5) ptp 
backhaul we put in to feed it :-( and with today's rain it's killed the link. 
Once those are cut I should have access again and can run more tests.

  Thanks,

  Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?


Are you loosing connectivity to the client radios or only loosing data from 
them?

What do your link stats show?  Signal quality etc.

What are your eirp levels at normally and during the events?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Sharples 
  To: Wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:46 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?


  Hello all,

  We're seeing an odd problem at a customer location in Honolulu. About a 
year ago, we set up a pretty conventional point-to-multipoint 5.8 Ghz setup for 
video surveillance - a dual-radio gateway node attached to a pair of sector 
antennas, and 4 client radios (2 on each sector) attached to IP cams. The 
client radios are between 1/4 to 1/2 mile away from the gateway node. This is a 
multi-building industrial project in a fairly heavily polluted (RF wise) area. 
There's a Home Depot and Lowes nearby with equipment on all 5.8 Ghz channels. 
However our radios scan well above the noise floor.

  Our equipment uses pcengines alix boards running our own linux-based OS 
and CM9's using standard madwifi-style drivers. Same thing we've been using for 
years.

  This installation worked well at first. However, we are now seeing a 
situation in which both gateway radios suddenly stop receiving data from the 
downstream clients. This lasts from 5 to 20 minutes or so and then magically 
fixes itself. When I ssh in during the problem, there'e no indication of 
low-level driver problems or crashes, everything looks normal except for the 
sudden lack of data and connectivity with the client devices. 

  This installation is near Pearl Harbor and there are constant overflights 
from military aircraft. I'm wondering if this is a sensitivity issue to e.g. 
radar or some other high-powered signals from these planes. I've seen things 
like this before but never lasting up to 20 minutes. Would we see an 
improvement by switching to XR5's? We don't normally use those on short hauls 
like but they have better OOB filters than the CM9's. Thoughts?

  Thanks,

  Tom S.



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Re: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?

2012-11-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Are you loosing connectivity to the client radios or only loosing data from 
them?

What do your link stats show?  Signal quality etc.

What are your eirp levels at normally and during the events?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Sharples 
  To: Wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:46 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?


  Hello all,

  We're seeing an odd problem at a customer location in Honolulu. About a year 
ago, we set up a pretty conventional point-to-multipoint 5.8 Ghz setup for 
video surveillance - a dual-radio gateway node attached to a pair of sector 
antennas, and 4 client radios (2 on each sector) attached to IP cams. The 
client radios are between 1/4 to 1/2 mile away from the gateway node. This is a 
multi-building industrial project in a fairly heavily polluted (RF wise) area. 
There's a Home Depot and Lowes nearby with equipment on all 5.8 Ghz channels. 
However our radios scan well above the noise floor.

  Our equipment uses pcengines alix boards running our own linux-based OS and 
CM9's using standard madwifi-style drivers. Same thing we've been using for 
years.

  This installation worked well at first. However, we are now seeing a 
situation in which both gateway radios suddenly stop receiving data from the 
downstream clients. This lasts from 5 to 20 minutes or so and then magically 
fixes itself. When I ssh in during the problem, there'e no indication of 
low-level driver problems or crashes, everything looks normal except for the 
sudden lack of data and connectivity with the client devices. 

  This installation is near Pearl Harbor and there are constant overflights 
from military aircraft. I'm wondering if this is a sensitivity issue to e.g. 
radar or some other high-powered signals from these planes. I've seen things 
like this before but never lasting up to 20 minutes. Would we see an 
improvement by switching to XR5's? We don't normally use those on short hauls 
like but they have better OOB filters than the CM9's. Thoughts?

  Thanks,

  Tom S.



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Re: [WISPA] Barron Lake MI Area Coverage?

2012-11-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Clyde, can you be of help here?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@att.net
To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Barron Lake MI Area Coverage?


 Hi All,
 
 I have a friend about a mile N/E of Barron lake (right outside Niles)
 Michigan that can't find internet service.
 
 Do you cover it, or know of coverage?
 
 Jeff
 574-220-7826
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] FW: New Broadband Public Notice has been Published

2012-10-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I think you and I are the only two wisps that didn't go!

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:26 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FW: New Broadband Public Notice has been Published


I know everyone (most everyone) is at WISPAPALOOSA and I suspect having a 
great time.

 I wanted to forward the following notice along to everyone is case you 
 don't or haven't seen this. In this case it appears a rural power coop is 
 filing and has applied for some RUS funding to build out some broadband. 
 I haven't actually seen the filing yet, just this public notice.  If you 
 are currently serving the area, this is your chance to reply and let the 
 RUS know you have it covered.

 Kevin



 -Original Message-
 From: rd.broadb...@wdc.usda.gov [mailto:rd.broadb...@wdc.usda.gov]
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 5:40 AM
 To: Kevin Owen
 Subject: New Broadband Public Notice has been Published

 A new Public Notice Filing has been published based on the submission of a 
 new loan application
 to the RUS Broadband Loan and Loan Guarantee Program.  To view click on 
 http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/LegalNoticeFiling/View.aspx?LegalNoticeFilingId=44633ba2-bbad-4204-9854-6f8440f2ce1b

 If you wish to unsubscribe to this notification system, please click on 
 http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/Subscription/Initiate.aspx?action=cancel

 Sincerely,
 The Rural Utilities Service (RUS)

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Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF

2012-06-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I'm not sure that any sort of CLEC that you are piped into would count Fred. 
That's not facilities based.  They are, but the company providing service 
isn't.  And the rules specifically state that the voice provider has to be 
facilities based.

It may be fuzzy though.  I know our voice circuits here in Odessa are 
switched in another town unless the fiber gets cut.  Then an old local 
switch kicks in or some such thing.  Go figure.

Either way, we need to keep pushing just like our competitors are.

Fred, what are your long term thoughts of voip?  I think it's going to go 
down the drain just like all other land lines are starting to do.  I think 
there will be business lines and a few home phones.  But in the next 10 or 
20 years I'll bet less than half the land lines out there will exist. 
(Unless they are required for data services also.)

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF


 At 5/29/2012 01:05 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
Facilities Based excludes all fixed wireless, is that correct?

 No.  The unsubsidized competitor rule includes fixed wireless.

Would VoIP - properly reported, taxed, etc. - qualify as voice?

 Yes.  It has to meet reasonable quality standards, provide E911
 access, and have a local number, but the multiplexing header is not a
 disqualifier.  So if you can find a VoIP provider with local numbers
 in your area and can get say an MPLS pipe to them, it would do.  In
 some extreme cases you may need to fimd a CLEC willing to add service
 in your area, or create your own CLEC.

Randy

On 5/29/2012 10:40 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
  Right.
 
  And that's why we still have to fight they current rules as proposed.
 
  We've made the statement that if any company offers un subsidized 
  service
  then no one should get a tax payer funded leg up in the market.
 
  Under the current rules a SINGLE company has to provide both 
  *facilities
  based *voice and broadband without subsidies before the faucet is shut 
  off
  to the USF/CAF recipient.
 
  We're in the bottom of the 9th inning and we're down by a couple of 
  runs, 2
  out full count and Casey is at bat.
 
  Are we going to swing at the ball or just stand there and watch it fly 
  by?
 
  marlon
 
 
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  From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF
 
 
  At 5/25/2012 01:03 PM, Matt wrote:
  Perhaps anyone accepting money from these funds should be required to
  wholesale there services at a discount such as dry loop dsl?  They
  should also not be allowed to price under cut wholesalers for that to
  work?
  In fact, that *was* the rule.  Or at least they had to wholesale the
  DSL, even if it was bundled with cheap POTS.  When the FCC detariffed
  DSL in 2005, it was permissive, so the Bells could detariff while the
  subsidized rural ILECs stayed on tariff in order to maximize their 
  USF.
 
  The new Connect America Fund rules make one major change -- they
  allow the ILEC to detariff DSL, offer it only as a retail information
  service, and still get subsidized.  That's how they want to improve
  broadband availability.  Gee, do you think any telco lobbyists were
  active in getting that passed? ;-)
 

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Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF

2012-06-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Right.

But we have to SELL the filing now.  Just putting it on paper isn't enough.

If it were, our competition wouldn't be at the FCC on a daily basis :-).
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jack Unger 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Cc: WISPA's FCC Committee 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF


  In fact, WISPA has already gone on record AGAINST the current rule that a 
single company has to provide both voice and data. WISPA asked the FCC to 
change the rule so that CAF subsidies would be denied in an area subject to 
unsubsidized competition. What this means is that if an area is already served 
with both voice and broadband data, even if these services are provided by two 
separate companies, then no one else should be able to receive subsidies to 
serve that area. 

  (Crack! Base hit!! It's a double to center field!!)

  jack


  On 5/29/2012 9:40 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote: 
Right.

And that's why we still have to fight they current rules as proposed.

We've made the statement that if any company offers un subsidized service 
then no one should get a tax payer funded leg up in the market.

Under the current rules a SINGLE company has to provide both *facilities 
based *voice and broadband without subsidies before the faucet is shut off 
to the USF/CAF recipient.

We're in the bottom of the 9th inning and we're down by a couple of runs, 2 
out full count and Casey is at bat.

Are we going to swing at the ball or just stand there and watch it fly by?

marlon


- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF


At 5/25/2012 01:03 PM, Matt wrote:
Perhaps anyone accepting money from these funds should be required to
wholesale there services at a discount such as dry loop dsl?  They
should also not be allowed to price under cut wholesalers for that to
work?
In fact, that *was* the rule.  Or at least they had to wholesale the
DSL, even if it was bundled with cheap POTS.  When the FCC detariffed
DSL in 2005, it was permissive, so the Bells could detariff while the
subsidized rural ILECs stayed on tariff in order to maximize their USF.

The new Connect America Fund rules make one major change -- they
allow the ILEC to detariff DSL, offer it only as a retail information
service, and still get subsidized.  That's how they want to improve
broadband availability.  Gee, do you think any telco lobbyists were
active in getting that passed? ;-)

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Re: [WISPA] UC Berkeley study on WISPs

2012-06-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I took the survey and a couple of things didn't quite fit for us.

On the outages.  We have a lot of tower sites and 4 different upstream 
connections.  There is always some kind of trouble somewhere on the network. 
But the whole network has almost never gone down and never for very long.

Power outages are rare and usually shorter than our batteries will hold us 
online for.  Every few years a longer one hits us but we usually are able to 
get generator power in place.

You also asked a question about how much internet we've sold to our 
consumers.  I assume you are looking for over subscription numbers.

I wasn't sure how to answer that.  We sell a best effort service.  Our 
customers aren't promised anything in excess of what our incoming capacity 
is.  But often my network will deliver more capacity than we even have 
coming into a community.  So the overall customer capacity is every high 
above what our incoming capacity is.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Shaddi Hasan sha...@cs.berkeley.edu
To: r...@ashtonbrooke.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UC Berkeley study on WISPs


I'd be happy to do so; after I've compiled all the results I'll put
together a report to send out to WISPA.

Thanks!
Shaddi

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Brough Turner broughtur...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 Hi Shaddi,

 As an additional inducement, you might offer to send copies of whatever
 paper or report comes out of your research. I know I'd be interested in
 reading such a report

 Thanks,

 Brough



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 On 5/30/12 12:15 PM, Shaddi Hasan wrote:

 tl;dr: Please take my survey about WISPs! It's quick and anonymous;
 you'll help science, and you might win a $100 Amazon gift card! SURVEY
 LINK --- http://tier.cs.berkeley.edu/drupal/wisp-study

 Hello!

 My name is Shaddi, and I'm a graduate student at UC Berkeley in the
 TIER research group (http://tier.cs.berkeley.edu).

 We're conducting a research study on the network management practices
 and challenges faced by WISPs. Our study's goal is to develop an
 understanding of the network management practices and challenges of
 WISPs in order to guide research towards making WISPs simpler to
 manage.

 Our study has two parts. The first is a survey (which should take
 about 5-10 minutes). Every question in our survey is optional, and
 best estimates are fine. After completing the survey, you may
 volunteer to participate in a completely optional follow-up phone
 interview, which should take 30-45 minutes.

 After completing the survey, you may provide your email address to be
 entered into a drawing for one of three $100 Amazon.com gift cards.
 Those who complete a follow-up interview will be entered into a
 separate drawing for one of two additional $100 Amazon.com gift cards.

 Here's what I promise:
 1) This survey is completely anonymous, though if you choose to
 provide your name and/or your organization's name, I won't share it
 with anyone.
 2) If I publish data from this study, I will only report aggregate
 statistics.
 3) I will only share the raw data from the study with my research
 advisor, Prof. Eric Brewer.

 Here's the link to the survey:
 http://tier.cs.berkeley.edu/drupal/wisp-study

 If you have any questions, feel free to contact me either directly or
 on-list.

 Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

2012-05-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Yeah, that would be a good carrot to get people to submit.  How cool would 
it be to be able to let the consumer self qualify themselves (at least an 
educated guess) for your service?

That's a similar step that Wa. is working on now.  Sandborn is working with 
Radio Mobile to help figure out coverage zones.  I've had to give them a 
distance cutoff but it gets us pretty close to actual coverage's.  As 
accurate as I think we can realistically be anyhow.

Getting one's self onto the maps is really a no brainer these days.  If you 
do you might keep tax money out of your industry in your area.  If you 
don't get on the maps you will bring it in.

There's just no grey area here.  We're not making the rules of the game 
(well, we're trying but), so either play by the rules or get your tail 
whipped.

Can't show up for a football game with a basketball team and expect to do 
very well.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What you can do!


 Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
 cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
 Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

 One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members
 to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to
 WISPA.  Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such
 data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the
 propagation patterns from all other members on it.  WISPA would have
 benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to
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Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

2012-05-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
For the purposes of these maps it doesn't really have to be that exact.  Close, 
yes.  But exactness isn't needed.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cameron Crum 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 10:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] What you can do!


  Accurate propagation studies require a lot more than just submitting 
coordinates, heights and frequencies. You really can't just use some set of 
default numbers for all the parameters involved. You need antenna patterns, 
gains (on both ends), C/I values, noise figures, and a whole host of other 
info. This doesn't even include optimizing for clutter categories and 
elevations. If you don't have this, you might as well just draw circles as it 
would be about as useful. I spent a lot of years making good money doing just 
this for the cellular industry. They understood that designing a network 
incorrectly had dire financial consequences. We on the other hand seem to think 
of prop studies as an after thought. While I know that we have to go where the 
towers are and don't have the resources to build where we want to get an 
optimized network, we should still take it seriously and do it right when we 
decide to actually perform the study. 


  Cameron


  On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
 cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
 Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members
to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to
WISPA.  Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such
data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the
propagation patterns from all other members on it.  WISPA would have
benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to
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Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF

2012-05-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Right.

And that's why we still have to fight they current rules as proposed.

We've made the statement that if any company offers un subsidized service 
then no one should get a tax payer funded leg up in the market.

Under the current rules a SINGLE company has to provide both *facilities 
based *voice and broadband without subsidies before the faucet is shut off 
to the USF/CAF recipient.

We're in the bottom of the 9th inning and we're down by a couple of runs, 2 
out full count and Casey is at bat.

Are we going to swing at the ball or just stand there and watch it fly by?

marlon


- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF


 At 5/25/2012 01:03 PM, Matt wrote:
Perhaps anyone accepting money from these funds should be required to
wholesale there services at a discount such as dry loop dsl?  They
should also not be allowed to price under cut wholesalers for that to
work?

 In fact, that *was* the rule.  Or at least they had to wholesale the
 DSL, even if it was bundled with cheap POTS.  When the FCC detariffed
 DSL in 2005, it was permissive, so the Bells could detariff while the
 subsidized rural ILECs stayed on tariff in order to maximize their USF.

 The new Connect America Fund rules make one major change -- they
 allow the ILEC to detariff DSL, offer it only as a retail information
 service, and still get subsidized.  That's how they want to improve
 broadband availability.  Gee, do you think any telco lobbyists were
 active in getting that passed? ;-)

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Re: [WISPA] Site Survey Method

2012-05-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
We've dealt with that by only doing installs when we can see both ends.  We 
know what signal levels are expected based on distance to the AP.

But one other way to handle it is to use a radio with signal lights on the 
back.  That allows one guy to handle it.  I normally just hook up an extension 
cord and run up to the roof.

If need by I'll take my laptop up and see what there is to see.  That only 
happens when I'll have to use a mast to clear an obstacle but that really means 
two people on the roof anyway.

And, naturally, in my case I use the bucket truck for these from time to time.  
I'll use it more when I get a second, smaller lift of some kind.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Darin Steffl 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:05 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Site Survey Method


  Hey guys,


  Trying to figure out a good way to do site surveys and monitor signal 
strength while on the customer's roof for a one-man job.  The best I have come 
up with is having a portable power pack on the ground with a POE injector with 
two ethernet cables: one going to the nanobridge, one to a netbook or laptop on 
the roof.  Another option would be to have the same setup but with a wireless 
router with the battery pack and poe injector so only one ethernet going to the 
roof to the nanobridge and either a netbook or android tablet to login to AirOS 
to setup and check signal levels.  


  Any advice on how you guys do this with one person?  Thanks!



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Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Masts

2012-05-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I've used them.  Wish they had a good factory mount.  I just build whatever 
I need for whatever roof it's going on to.

My math seems to suck so I've not had any luck in getting the guy wire 
lengths right before pushing them up.  So I try to make sure I have a person 
on each guy point.  They let out the guy wire as the mast gets raised up.

We usually just have a roll of guy wire for each guy point (every 10 feet). 
We'll usually go with 4 corners on the taller units unless there is a very 
light load on them.  Probably overkill but I've not had anything fall off a 
roof yet.

The way we do it is labor intensive but very safe.

Oh yeah, to push them up you'll want a step ladder.  Push up the top section 
first

BTW, if you were able to pick some up you did well.  I ended up buying about 
a 5 year supply because the costs of shipping are higher than the costs of 
the mast!

Hope this helps,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:29 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Telescoping Masts


 Does anyone use the Rohn H50 or similar telescoping masts? I found
 some while traveling so I picked up a few to keep on hand. I think
 they might be a good option for those customers who need to get up
 ~50ft but can't afford a tower. Any suggestions on best methods for
 install, or things to avoid? I'll be using these mostly with UBNT
 Nanobridges for the CPE, or a 900mhz yagi.
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Re: [WISPA] pages not loading/displaying properly

2012-05-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Also check the version of anti virus/firewall the customers are using.

Check the customer routers.

Can you change IP addresses/ranges for some customers to see if the problem 
goes away?

What happens if you take one of your computers to the customer site to try 
the same site on your computer?

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] pages not loading/displaying properly


 On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 09:50:58AM -0700, Mark Theis wrote:
 I apologize for the duplicate post and my slow response.  I have been
 out of commission the last 2 days and Carlo's inability to start
 the thread originally (he received a failure message and assumed it
 did not send, but I guess it was waiting on a moderator's approval)
 prompted me to write my original post.

 We are still experiencing the problem.  Let me try to answer all of
 the questions in this email.

 We are only seeing the problem on about 1% of our customers.  The
 problem is not isolated to a single tower, router, radio model,
 browser, OS, etc.  We are not using caching.  We are good on packet
 loss.  We do use Trango licensed links on some of the towers. We are
 not masquerading ALL of my clients to one IP address.  Websites that
 see it is not only happening on SSL pages. MTU looks good.

 I am now hearing that the customers can't even do software
 updates. The strange thing is that it is only happening to less than
 1% of our customers.  I would think that if it were a radio issue, it
 would affect all of the customers...  Am I thinking about this the
 wrong way?

 This happened to us about 6 months ago, and it fixed itself in about 3
 days... And we never figured out what it was.

 I appreciate all the input that you all have contributed, even though
 it did look like I was ignoring you all... Migraines will take me out
 on occasion.

 Thanks all!

 Have you viewed the page source to identify the hostname on which
 the non-loading portions of the pages reside?

 Have you done traceroutes from non-working customers PCs to those
 servers?

 Are your employees' laptops affected when on-site at the customer
 location?

 Do you use ubiquity gear?  If so, are they running the latest version
 of the firmware?  If not, the CPE could be infected by the SkyNet
 worm or something similar.

 Do all of the affected customers have problems with the same
 websites/resources?

 Do you assign public IPs to the customer's equipment, or the CPE?
 Are the problem customers all in the same /24 or shorter prefix?

 Is the CPE in router mode or bridge mode?

From what has been reported so far, it sounds like :

 A)  Some content distribution network has decided that it doesn't
want to talk to some of your IP addresses.  Perhaps because it
has seen attack traffic from an infection of several of your
customers' machines.

 or

 B)  There is a virus/worm involved which is blocking access to or
attempting to redirect access away from these sites.  The
infection could be on the Windows workstations or the CPEs.

 or

 C)  Your BGP announcement(s) for one or more of your netblocks is
not being advertised to one of your peers, or one of your peers
is not announcing them to their peers.

 -- 
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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

2012-05-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
 
good money after bad.   That's integrity.   Another was in the process of 
borrowing money from the DOE, cash that would be immensely helpful to his 
company.   He cancelled it and announced they'll just struggle through on 
their own.  We CAN live without being bribed, we can say no.   And it's 
going to take millions of us saying no, but we can do it and we can turn 
our industries.. .and country... around it.  And it's all about individuals, 
decisions, and principled choices - not about politics, but about rational 
choices about the present and future.

Maybe I am asking to too much.  What little optimism I have left says... I 
am not.  But my time and energy probably best employed elsewhere.


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From: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.


Since you are talking about me Mark I'll chime in here a bit too.

As I've said before.  You and I mostly agree.  Government is, with precious 
few exceptions, the enemy of the people.  Government and far to many that 
work in it are just plain evil.  Or maybe arrogant but in the end that 
causes them to do evil things to the regular folk of the country.

WISPA is an association of or membership.  The members are encouraged to run 
for leadership positions every year (half the board is up for election every 
year).  There is no restriction on who can run for the board other than they 
have to be a member in good standing.  There are a few other things that we 
ask of our candidates but they don't generally apply to the people here (no 
one I know of is sitting in jail right now :-).

WISPA was formed to help protect our industry.  Mostly from the government. 
That's why we are so focused and spend most of our money on FCC and 
legislative issues.  We've actually been pretty successful here.  We've had 
good success on favorable rules changes, gotten additional spectrum and 
we've stopped quite a few bad ideas from coming to fruition.

I remember getting into it with you on the idea of reporting on the 477. 
You called me a traitor.  Perhaps that fits but I think of myself as more of 
a realist.  The 477 is there.  We can't make it go away.  In fact, much to 
my chagrin, it's work with the stupid broadband map.

Tell you what though.  They ARE there.  They DO exist.  And your competition 
is going to be government funded, or not, based at least in part on what the 
map shows.  If you refuse to place yourself on the map, that's your choice. 
A foolish choice that's bad for you AND the rest of the industry, but your 
choice to make none the less.

I live in farm country.  Everyone out here gets government money for 
something.  Crop failures, CRP programs, price supports etc.  It sucks. 
Government money is poison.  But so is NO money.  It's like salt in many 
ways.  Too much will kill you just as dead as too little.  Here's a current 
example.  We have bought out some of the CRP my family has.  We run off road 
motorbike races on the ground.  Now it's up for renewal.  But the Fish and 
Wildlife department is refusing to allow the renewal because we need a 
buffer zone around the track.  One that's probably bigger than the 49 acres 
of crp will support.  Dad's still looking into it.  Dad's PISSED off though. 
He didn't enter into any contracts with Fish and Game, why are they involved 
with this issue at all  It's ALL private property.   But, since it's 
rented to the government we have to live by it's rules.

The bike races bring 10s of thousands or dollars into our local economy. 
Probably closer to 100k.  But that doesn't matter to the dickheads at Fish 
and Game.  They are more worried about the fish that don't exist in the 
middle of a field and the game birds that might be harmed in some way.  I 
guess birds and deer can't hear a dirt bike coming soon enough to get out of 
the way.

Wanna know the funniest part of all this?  Dad plants habitat and birds 
because he loves that kind of stuff.  That doesn't matter to Fish and Game 
though.  They still want the races stopped.  Or he has to give up over $2500 
per year in revenue from the CRP payments on that ground.  More than he'd 
make farming it (that's the reason for CRP in the first place).

So a guy is stuck.  The government controls (in one way or another) the 
prices farmers can charge for their crops, chemical use etc. and therefore 
the revenue that a farmer can generate.  They then offer a program that will 
pay the farmer more money for the use of his poor ground and set the rules 
for it's use (basically nothing).  Then they change the rules as time goes 
on, making them more and more restrictive.  Eventually out here people tend 
to eventually give up and sell the ground to the government.  MOST of the 
water ways are now owned by the state.

I could go

Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

2012-05-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Very nicely said Rick.  Great job.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Harnish 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 7:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.


  Mark,

   

  Enough is enough.  There is no reason that I know of for your behavior 
especially attacking the opinion of someone else online.  Faisal is one of the 
most intelligent ISP veterans in the industry and he does not deserve to be 
called ignorant by someone that has thumbed their nose at WISPA for many years. 
 I have sat back and allowed you to spout off occasionally with extreme 
patience.  There have been times that I have had to boot you from the WISPA 
mailing lists and you have come back under a different email address, lurked 
and then repeated your rabid behavior.  

   

  I think it is rude that a person comes into someone's house and complain 
about their lazyboy, food, and hospitality.  That is effectively what you have 
done to WISPA.  We invite you into our home to learn and improve your business 
by networking with other operators in our industry and how do you repay that?  
Turning over the Lazy-boy, spitting in the food and demanding service, with no 
intention of paying for the service or tipping the hostess is not my idea of 
worthiness.

   

  I have noticed over the years, that somewhere in your dissertations, you 
always refer to your depleted financial condition and tend to accuse WISPA for 
your struggling business.  I'm not sure if the area you serve is economically 
challenged, the geography is tough to operate in or you are just not a good 
businessman.  I do however think that if it were not for some of the proactive 
and reactive lobbying efforts that WISPA has accomplished in the last few 
years, that many operators would be out of business by now.  The telcos/cable 
duopoly would have had their way in Congress and at the FCC to run wild with 
their agenda to put the Wisp industry out of business through legislation.  

   

  Therefore, I am going to put you on moderation.  I will allow you to continue 
to receive emails from the wireless@wispa.org mailing list but your responses 
will need to be governed.  Something I'm sure you hate me for, but as the 
moderator, it is my job to maintain proper decorum and provide a healthy 
environment for other wisp operators to learn in.  I have been asked by 
numerous people to ban you from WISPA lists, but I am not going to do that yet. 
 I only hope that you can learn something from other operators that will 
improve your business, regardless of whether you would ever support or efforts 
here at WISPA.  

   

  I wish you good fortune in the future and only hope that in some way, you can 
accept that WISPA may have helped you even without your financial support.  We 
are operators just like yourself.  Many of us struggle to make ends meet in 
this very tough economy.  I agree with you that the government policies over 
the last 20-30 years have been disastrous for our economy.  This is not a 
political statement in any way.  Policies which have created dominant 
corporations in any industry have caused small town America to wither on the 
vine.  Greed in politics and corporate America has been the dominant reason for 
our economy decline.  There is little dispute of that.  We need a new direction 
and new leadership inside the beltway.  Unfortunately, I don't personally feel 
that any change can be accomplished effectively without some major 
housecleaning of the monstrous Washington DC governing infrastructure to which 
all new politicians are introduced quickly.  Their intentions may be great 
before they arrive in Washington, only to be cut off at the knees by the 
system and its lifetime staffers.  

   

  Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!

   

  Respectfully,

   

  Rick Harnish

  Executive Director

  WISPA

  260-307-4000 cell

  866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

  Skype: rick.harnish.

  rharn...@wispa.org

  adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)

   

   

   

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of MDK
  Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:10 AM
  To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

   

  I knew I could count on you to demonstrate complete ignorance of What Should 
Be, Because It Once Was.   

   

  The founders would curse you for having no understanding.  

   

   

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  I really think you seriously need to read about our founding fathers, and how 
they operated, (they all did not get together and sing kumbaya at the camp 
fire, neither did they pickup their scrolls of paper and walk away to their own 
corners when there was disagreement )...and try to gain an understanding on the 
'Democratic Principles of 

Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

2012-05-02 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Since you are talking about me Mark I'll chime in here a bit too.

As I've said before.  You and I mostly agree.  Government is, with precious few 
exceptions, the enemy of the people.  Government and far to many that work in 
it are just plain evil.  Or maybe arrogant but in the end that causes them to 
do evil things to the regular folk of the country.

WISPA is an association of or membership.  The members are encouraged to run 
for leadership positions every year (half the board is up for election every 
year).  There is no restriction on who can run for the board other than they 
have to be a member in good standing.  There are a few other things that we ask 
of our candidates but they don't generally apply to the people here (no one I 
know of is sitting in jail right now :-).

WISPA was formed to help protect our industry.  Mostly from the government.  
That's why we are so focused and spend most of our money on FCC and legislative 
issues.  We've actually been pretty successful here.  We've had good success on 
favorable rules changes, gotten additional spectrum and we've stopped quite a 
few bad ideas from coming to fruition.

I remember getting into it with you on the idea of reporting on the 477.  You 
called me a traitor.  Perhaps that fits but I think of myself as more of a 
realist.  The 477 is there.  We can't make it go away.  In fact, much to my 
chagrin, it's work with the stupid broadband map.

Tell you what though.  They ARE there.  They DO exist.  And your competition is 
going to be government funded, or not, based at least in part on what the map 
shows.  If you refuse to place yourself on the map, that's your choice.  A 
foolish choice that's bad for you AND the rest of the industry, but your choice 
to make none the less.

I live in farm country.  Everyone out here gets government money for something. 
 Crop failures, CRP programs, price supports etc.  It sucks.  Government money 
is poison.  But so is NO money.  It's like salt in many ways.  Too much will 
kill you just as dead as too little.  Here's a current example.  We have bought 
out some of the CRP my family has.  We run off road motorbike races on the 
ground.  Now it's up for renewal.  But the Fish and Wildlife department is 
refusing to allow the renewal because we need a buffer zone around the track.  
One that's probably bigger than the 49 acres of crp will support.  Dad's still 
looking into it.  Dad's PISSED off though.  He didn't enter into any contracts 
with Fish and Game, why are they involved with this issue at all  It's ALL 
private property.   But, since it's rented to the government we have to live by 
it's rules.

The bike races bring 10s of thousands or dollars into our local economy.  
Probably closer to 100k.  But that doesn't matter to the dickheads at Fish and 
Game.  They are more worried about the fish that don't exist in the middle of a 
field and the game birds that might be harmed in some way.  I guess birds and 
deer can't hear a dirt bike coming soon enough to get out of the way.

Wanna know the funniest part of all this?  Dad plants habitat and birds because 
he loves that kind of stuff.  That doesn't matter to Fish and Game though.  
They still want the races stopped.  Or he has to give up over $2500 per year in 
revenue from the CRP payments on that ground.  More than he'd make farming it 
(that's the reason for CRP in the first place).

So a guy is stuck.  The government controls (in one way or another) the prices 
farmers can charge for their crops, chemical use etc. and therefore the revenue 
that a farmer can generate.  They then offer a program that will pay the farmer 
more money for the use of his poor ground and set the rules for it's use 
(basically nothing).  Then they change the rules as time goes on, making them 
more and more restrictive.  Eventually out here people tend to eventually give 
up and sell the ground to the government.  MOST of the water ways are now owned 
by the state.

I could go on, but everyone here has a similar story to tell.  Look at the 
recent thread about the idiotic OSHA rules.  Who's going to let anyone put a 
fall restraint system on their home?  If you have a habit of falling off roofs, 
go get a desk job!

In the end though.  You and I, alone, can't fix any of this.  We can't control 
anything.  We have to band together into groups.  And those groups have to 
compromise.  Those groups also have to deal with reality as it exists while 
they try to enact their ultimate goals.

WISPA did tell the FCC to eliminate USF, CAF or any other subsidies.  We told 
them to just let the market deal with the issues.  We knew ahead of time that 
they'd reject that stance though.  So we also suggested alternative plans and 
mechanisms that would do the least harm to our industry, communities and 
country.

Your problem Mark is that you don't understand the compromise part.  It's funny 
though, we all do it every day.  We walk on different sides of the hall.  We 

Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers

2012-04-30 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
We use mainly Linksys units.  They are a bit more expensive but we don't deal 
with warranty issues etc.

I'll install them at hookup if the customer wants one.

We've been trying the ones from Readylink but so far the jury is out on them.  
Sometimes they work nicely, other customers have nothing but trouble with them. 
 Half the cost of the Linksys and better antennas.

Some days I just wish the POE had a wifi router built into it so we could 
include wifi like the telco does these days.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Darin Steffl 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:31 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Customer Routers


  Hey guys,


  What are some of you providing for customer wireless routers if you include 
them in the install as I do?  I currently have a batch of 10 Ubiquiti Air 
Routers and the first two I pulled out are giving me some problems.  Could be a 
bad batch.


  I am also looking at TP-Link as they are about $30 on Amazon with external 
antennas and pretty good reviews.


  TP-Link TL-WR841N


  What are you guys using?



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Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers

2012-04-30 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Hmmm, anyone using them?  Who stocks them?

What do you do, plug your own power brick into it?  That would kind of defete 
the purpose wouldn't it?  That's not really much different than a standard 
install.

thanks,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan McKenzie 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers


  Marlon,

  In response to your statement:


  Some days I just wish the POE had a wifi router built into it so we could 
include wifi like the telco does these days.

  ARC makes one.  It's the iFlex indoor AP.  You could use any brand of POE 
(including Moto) from 9-24VDC to power the device and then passthrough power to 
a client device on the roof.


  Thanks,

  Ryan McKenzie 


  On 4/30/12 11:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote: 
We use mainly Linksys units.  They are a bit more expensive but we don't 
deal with warranty issues etc.

I'll install them at hookup if the customer wants one.

We've been trying the ones from Readylink but so far the jury is out on 
them.  Sometimes they work nicely, other customers have nothing but trouble 
with them.  Half the cost of the Linksys and better antennas.

Some days I just wish the POE had a wifi router built into it so we could 
include wifi like the telco does these days.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Darin Steffl 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:31 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Customer Routers


  Hey guys, 


  What are some of you providing for customer wireless routers if you 
include them in the install as I do?  I currently have a batch of 10 Ubiquiti 
Air Routers and the first two I pulled out are giving me some problems.  Could 
be a bad batch.


  I am also looking at TP-Link as they are about $30 on Amazon with 
external antennas and pretty good reviews.


  TP-Link TL-WR841N


  What are you guys using?



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[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] World's Highest Tower, MORE!

2012-03-22 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
This thing is crazy!

I wonder how they get the top sections on above the cranes.

marlon

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From: 
To: Towertalk towert...@contesting.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:26 PM
Subject: [TowerTalk] World's Highest Tower,  MORE!


 Quite interesting to those of us into high times!  HIHI. Mark AA6DX
 http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Tokyo_Sky_Tree
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Yeah.  Drop the GFCI.

If an inspector whines about it get his home phone and tell him he'll have to 
meet you at the site every time it goes down because the GFCI technology is so 
worthless.  It won't take but 2 trips and he'll beg you to take them out!

And if you think it's bad now.  Just wait till you have to put in arc fault 
breakers everywhere.  The whole house has to have them nowadays.  Can't even 
run a shop vac in my house if it's in one of the rooms with an arc fault.  Half 
my skill saws won't work etc.

Good ideas, both.  Rotten overly sensitive implementation.

The market for used arc faults will be huge sooner than later.  Every homeowner 
with a screw driver will pull them all out and put in normal breakers :-).

The NEC is getting to be worse than the dept. of ecology!

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Troy Settle 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:04 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages


  Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One of 
them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just to 
push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

   

  Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without 
violating code?

   

  Thanks,

   

  -- 

Troy Settle, Network Administrator

The Wired Road Authority

1117 E. Stuart Dr.

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I like the digital loggers products a LOT better than dataprobe.

Never had a DL unit start turning it's self off when it's not supposed to.  I 
have had that with an iboot.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay DeBoer 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages


  http://dataprobe.com/remote-reboot.html

  I've used some of their older 'iboots' havent' used their phone devices.



  On 3/16/2012 9:40, Victoria Proffer wrote: 
Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?



i.e. 

strip  cell phone  pstn  my computer



Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC

314-974-5600



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI 
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically 
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com 
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
 One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
 without violating code?

 Thanks,

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[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Climbing Crew

2012-03-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Anyone have a crew that can help a HAM out?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Kelley kshaddr...@jetup.net
To: Towertalk towert...@contesting.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:53 PM
Subject: [TowerTalk] Tower Climbing Crew


 
 Hi all,
 
 As I said in an earlier message, I have a 48' Rohn HDBX tower. It 
 currently has a Cushcraft A3S with 40m add-on, a 3 element 6m beam, and 
 a VHF/UHF vertical.
 
 I'm wondering if anyone in the central Minnesota area is having any 
 tower work done this year by one of the tower companies?
 
 I'd like to have some work done on the tower (I don't climb myself) and 
 it would be great if one of these gangs were in the area so I possibly 
 get a day on their schedule.
 
 Anyone doing anything like this?
 
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question

2012-03-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
You can only record what hits your network.

If it's handed off to someone else they'll have to record it.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question


 I'm obviously not asking the question properly.

 I know how to do a CALEA capture for regular IP traffic.  My question is
 related to VoIP traffic in particular.

 (e.g. Yes, if a customer has Vonage I obviously can't record the call...
 but I can capture the packets).

 However, my understanding was always that if you provided VoIP from your
 network you had to be able to record both legs of the call so that the
 LEA can determine, for example, which side of the call a noise was heard 
 on.


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312

 On 3/1/12 9:38 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 Do a google search on Mikrotik CALEA, take a look at  The Mikrotik
 WIki as well as Butch's CALEA (MUM 2007) presentation.
 This will give you an excellent idea on how to accomplish what you are
 asking for .

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet   Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


 On 3/1/2012 7:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 We are considering doing some limited VoIP offerings to supplement our
 GSM offerings in certain situations.

 A question that just arose, and I don't know the answer to is:

 * Understanding that an interconnected VoIP carrier must be CALEA
 compliant and be able to record calls.

 ** How does this situation work if the audio stream does not pass
 through your soft-switch? (e.g. end user makes a call, my soft switch
 sets up the call between end-user and Level3, and then a re-invite
 happens which sends the audio from the end-user direct to the Level3 
 switch)

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Re: [WISPA] [Caleaquestions] VoIP CALEA Question

2012-03-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
But VoIP IS data

LEA is just after the data.  They don't care who gives it to them when they 
are trying to track down a bad guy.

You remember the conversations we had with the FBI.  Without a standard in 
place you (the operator of the network) have to do everything you reasonably 
can to comply with their requests.

If you are a VoIP provider but the VoIP doesn't ride your network you can't 
track it.  Just like you couldn't track a ptp file sharing application *IF* 
neither end of the transaction rides your network.

But, *IF* either end of the transaction rides your network you can and will 
have to intercept the conversation and send a copy to LEA.

Why is VoIP any different?  It's just a voice conversation instead of a 
kiddie porn video.  Both have an audio component, both are data at the 
network level.

I'm not saying you are wrong here.  But if I were the LEA I'd not care, I 
just need the data.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: J.C. Utter j...@imagestream.com
To: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; caleaquesti...@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Caleaquestions] [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question


I agree with your first sentence, Marlon, but your second comment seems 
unclear because everyone hands off traffic.

 The main difference between 3rd party and in-house VoIP is that you have a 
 different set of rules to follow for CALEA compliance specifically for 
 voice service providers that includes the requirement to provide call 
 records to the LEA (called number, start call, end call, call duration, 
 etc.). There are other differences, but this is the main difference. The 
 WISPA CALEA Standard does not apply to VoIP intercepts when VoIP is hosted 
 in-house. The IPNA standard is specifically for Network Access providers 
 (the NA in IPNA) and not for Voice Service Providers.

 We should have a standard for wireless VoIP providers, because a lot of 
 WISPs offer VoIP today compared to the time when we started writing the 
 first WISPA CALEA standard.

 jc


 On 3/1/2012 11:20 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
 You can only record what hits your network.

 If it's handed off to someone else they'll have to record it.

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Hoppesmhop...@indigowireless.com
 To:fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 6:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question


 I'm obviously not asking the question properly.

 I know how to do a CALEA capture for regular IP traffic.  My question is
 related to VoIP traffic in particular.

 (e.g. Yes, if a customer has Vonage I obviously can't record the call...
 but I can capture the packets).

 However, my understanding was always that if you provided VoIP from your
 network you had to be able to record both legs of the call so that the
 LEA can determine, for example, which side of the call a noise was heard
 on.


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312

 On 3/1/12 9:38 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 Do a google search on Mikrotik CALEA, take a look at  The Mikrotik
 WIki as well as Butch's CALEA (MUM 2007) presentation.
 This will give you an excellent idea on how to accomplish what you are
 asking for .

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy InternetTelecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


 On 3/1/2012 7:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 We are considering doing some limited VoIP offerings to supplement our
 GSM offerings in certain situations.

 A question that just arose, and I don't know the answer to is:

 * Understanding that an interconnected VoIP carrier must be CALEA
 compliant and be able to record calls.

 ** How does this situation work if the audio stream does not pass
 through your soft-switch? (e.g. end user makes a call, my soft switch
 sets up the call between end-user and Level3, and then a re-invite
 happens which sends the audio from the end-user direct to the Level3
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Re: [WISPA] [Caleaquestions] VoIP CALEA Question

2012-03-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
They need to learn the situation because NOT being standards compliant open 
up a lot of ugly doors that you may be *made* to walk though :-).

The folks on the committee have spent far too much time with the FBI to take 
this lightly at all.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Caleaquestions] VoIP CALEA Question


 Agreed.

 Plus I think most people on this thread didn't even understand the
 situation.

 -
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 3/1/2012 10:43 AM, J.C. Utter wrote:
 I agree with your first sentence, Marlon, but your second comment seems
 unclear because everyone hands off traffic.

 The main difference between 3rd party and in-house VoIP is that you have
 a different set of rules to follow for CALEA compliance specifically for
 voice service providers that includes the requirement to provide call
 records to the LEA (called number, start call, end call, call duration,
 etc.). There are other differences, but this is the main difference. The
 WISPA CALEA Standard does not apply to VoIP intercepts when VoIP is
 hosted in-house. The IPNA standard is specifically for Network Access
 providers (the NA in IPNA) and not for Voice Service Providers.

 We should have a standard for wireless VoIP providers, because a lot of
 WISPs offer VoIP today compared to the time when we started writing the
 first WISPA CALEA standard.

 jc


 On 3/1/2012 11:20 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
 You can only record what hits your network.

 If it's handed off to someone else they'll have to record it.

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Hoppesmhop...@indigowireless.com
 To:fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 6:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question


 I'm obviously not asking the question properly.

 I know how to do a CALEA capture for regular IP traffic.  My question 
 is
 related to VoIP traffic in particular.

 (e.g. Yes, if a customer has Vonage I obviously can't record the 
 call...
 but I can capture the packets).

 However, my understanding was always that if you provided VoIP from 
 your
 network you had to be able to record both legs of the call so that the
 LEA can determine, for example, which side of the call a noise was 
 heard
 on.


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312

 On 3/1/12 9:38 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 Do a google search on Mikrotik CALEA, take a look at  The Mikrotik
 WIki as well as Butch's CALEA (MUM 2007) presentation.
 This will give you an excellent idea on how to accomplish what you are
 asking for .

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


 On 3/1/2012 7:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 We are considering doing some limited VoIP offerings to supplement 
 our
 GSM offerings in certain situations.

 A question that just arose, and I don't know the answer to is:

 * Understanding that an interconnected VoIP carrier must be CALEA
 compliant and be able to record calls.

 ** How does this situation work if the audio stream does not pass
 through your soft-switch? (e.g. end user makes a call, my soft switch
 sets up the call between end-user and Level3, and then a re-invite
 happens which sends the audio from the end-user direct to the Level3
 switch)

 How am I suppose to be able to record that call?
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[WISPA] Fw: [Caleaquestions] VoIP CALEA Question

2012-03-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Here ya go guys.  This is from one of the technogeeks that helped write the 
WISPA standard.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Erskine mic...@kaballero.com
To: caleaquesti...@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Caleaquestions] [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question


 https://www.google.com/search?source=ighl=enrlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS247q=RFC6405oq=RFC6405aq=faqi=aql=gs_sm=3gs_upl=436l4357l0l4685l9l9l1l2l2l0l417l1258l0.5.4-1l6l0

 On 3/1/2012 4:39 PM, Michael Erskine wrote:
 VoIP which originates or terminates on your network must be collected at
 the origination or termination end.

 VoIP servers set up the connection by ensuring that both ends of the
 communication are able to communicate directly with each other.  There
 is no relaying of the actual data packets through the VoIP server.

 Now then, if you have a subpoena that requires collection of a VoIP
 customer who is using a VoIP service which is not on your network, you
 will most likely also have a subpoena that requires all data from that
 customer.  You probably won't even know that the LEA is after VoIP.

 Again, VoIP data streams are not handed off to anyone.  The VoIP
 service simply arranges for both ends of the call to know how to connect
 directly to move voice data packets.


 On 3/1/2012 11:20 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
 You can only record what hits your network.

 If it's handed off to someone else they'll have to record it.

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Hoppesmhop...@indigowireless.com
 To:fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 6:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question


 I'm obviously not asking the question properly.

 I know how to do a CALEA capture for regular IP traffic.  My question 
 is
 related to VoIP traffic in particular.

 (e.g. Yes, if a customer has Vonage I obviously can't record the 
 call...
 but I can capture the packets).

 However, my understanding was always that if you provided VoIP from 
 your
 network you had to be able to record both legs of the call so that the
 LEA can determine, for example, which side of the call a noise was 
 heard
 on.


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312

 On 3/1/12 9:38 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 Do a google search on Mikrotik CALEA, take a look at  The Mikrotik
 WIki as well as Butch's CALEA (MUM 2007) presentation.
 This will give you an excellent idea on how to accomplish what you are
 asking for .

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


 On 3/1/2012 7:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 We are considering doing some limited VoIP offerings to supplement 
 our
 GSM offerings in certain situations.

 A question that just arose, and I don't know the answer to is:

 * Understanding that an interconnected VoIP carrier must be CALEA
 compliant and be able to record calls.

 ** How does this situation work if the audio stream does not pass
 through your soft-switch? (e.g. end user makes a call, my soft switch
 sets up the call between end-user and Level3, and then a re-invite
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Re: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters

2012-02-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
This problem is a bitch.  We're on a station that's only 20k watts and 
Ethernet issues are severe.

We finally had pretty good luck by moving the radios down and running high 
grade coax to the antennas.  We also run metal shielded cat5 with the proper 
ends.

Finally I installed ferrite beads on both ends of all cat 5 runs.

Things are running pretty well now.  Turns out that cat5 and fm radio are 
basically in the same frequency area.

My best advice?  Go find a different tower to use :-).

But it can be done.  All electronics in a metal enclosure also.  Jumper cat5 
also needs to be shielded cable with grounded connectors.  Sometimes I put 
ferrite beads on them as well.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Tim Warnock tim...@timoid.org
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:15 PM
Subject: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters


 Hi All,

 I have a question as to how other operators are handling POE radio links 
 and
 high power FM transmitters.

 We often see things like a radio will run errors or drop to 10mbps instead
 of 100mbps until we find a good position on the tower that its happy with.
 Once its happy we never have an issue again.

 We've tried earthing, not earthing, STP, UTP. Nothing seems to 
 definitively
 solve the issue.

 Does anyone have any advice they'd like to share? It would be muchly
 appreciated.

 Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters

2012-02-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Dexter Magnetics  847-956-1140

0431164181

Those are big enough to wrap the cat5 through 3 times.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ben West 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters


  Might anyone have a recommendation for a cheap supplier of ferrite beads 
large enough to fit thick STP, e.g. like Ubiquiti tough cable?

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Re: [WISPA] What are the must have Android apps for installers

2012-02-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I was thinking more along the lines of Mixology.  Awesome program.

I also use ICMPing, Droid LIght from Motorola, Quickoffice, Ping  DNS, and I 
used to have a subnet calculator but can't find a new one.

Wispmon also has a cool ap that uses GPS of your local and points you to all of 
your towers.  Great for installs in the fog, snow, dark etc.  I think.  It 
doesn't work with the latest droid update for my Motorola X2 phone  We're 
not on Verizon though, it's a smaller local cell company that's tied in with 
Verizon.

marlon

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  From: Zach Mann 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Cc: Washington State WISP Discussion 
  Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] What are the must have Android apps for installers


  GPS Status.   WiFi analyzer.  

  On Feb 24, 2012 12:45 PM, Pat Oapos;Connor p...@inlandnet.com wrote:

Upgrading to a smartphone, HTC Hero S.  Just wanted to see what tools
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Re: [WISPA] painting an antenna

2012-02-23 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Any non metalic paint should be OK.  Standard painting methods for the material 
apply.  Some antennas are plastic, some are fiberglass.

Make sure you don't plug any vent holes in the bottom though!
marlon

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  From: Eric Roth 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Cc: supp...@webjogger.net 
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:02 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] painting an antenna


  Hi Everyone,

   

  We have a customer that we are putting in a ptmp 5.8ghz backhaul for wifi 
access points. Our customer is very big on aesthetics and would like to paint 
the omni that we are connecting the 5.8ghz backhaul AU to.

   

  Does anyone know what kind of paint they should use to paint the antenna with?

   

  I searched google and came up with epoxy paint. Is that correct?

   

  Thanks,

   

  --Eric Roth

  Network Engineer

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  (845) 757-4000

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Re: [WISPA] transparent caching solution w/TPROXY

2012-02-23 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I've really missed my old Cobalt CacheRAQ.  That thing was amazing.

I lack the technical ability to set anything up though.

If we do one I'd like it to be a transparent pass through device.  Upstream 
in one port, customers in the other.

What would it cost to set something up (I already have a server that can be 
used) and what are people using?

The issue I've been afraid of is the pass through speed.  We pay for 
internet based on usage (95%th) and any Caching would save money and make 
things run faster.

Ideas?  Consultants?

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com
To: d...@kyes.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] transparent caching solution w/TPROXY


 We have a site that costs @ $3800/month for (shared) 3Mbps/512Kbps
 (Satellite), so we have been caching with Mikrotik proxy since the
 beginning (1998). I found a caching system that works well and caches
 videos and other types of traffic. If anyone is in the same situation
 you may want to check out Thundercache. It's a little tough because the
 sites using it are mostly in Spanish. I have 400GB of cache on it (3
 drives). Now the users will be able to be cached and retain their public
 IP.

 You probably mean Portuguese, not Spanish. Thundercache is a popular
 but somewhat controversial cache here in Brazil due to GPL code
 misappropriation. You might want to look at
 InComum(http://sourceforge.net/projects/incomum/) for a free resource
 or CacheMara from MaraSystems(http://www.marasystems.com/) for a
 commercial product that gives back to the GPL codebase.


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Re: [WISPA] Cabling vendors in NYC

2012-02-23 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Nusrat Jamal is near to you.  I love the Shireen cable we've been using for 
the last few years.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Isaac Wilder isaac_li...@freenetworkmovement.org
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 3:07 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Cabling vendors in NYC


 Does anybody know a vendor in the new york area where I can buy spools
 of weatherized, EMF shielded cat5e? I'm looking for something akin to
 Level 2 toughcable. I would normally order from lcom or pasadena
 networks, but time is of the essence, and I didn't think ahead.

 Any help would be greatly appreciated.




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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Ubiquity Rocket M2 with Tranzeo CPE

2012-02-23 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I can't help with the Ubiquity issue, but your CPE situation is the same as 
ours.  I know Mikrotik works well with them.

Once you get something working well you'll love the new AP's!

I do wish Tranzeo would fix the danged lockup issues on the cpe's though. 
Some people never have trouble, others do weekly.  ug

Might have to start drinking the ubiquity koolaid.  I've just not had good 
luck with the ones I've tried out here.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_us...@wispa.org
Cc: wireless@wispa.org; ubnt_us...@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Ubiquity Rocket M2 with Tranzeo CPE


 Did you install the RF Armor shield kits?  They are an incredible help at 
 defeating noise.



 On Feb 20, 2012, at 14:47, Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us wrote:

 I am in process of converting a tower from Tranzeo AP's to Ubquity
 Rocket M2's.  I have the M2's hung and pointed.  I can get the clients
 to connect but I seem to be getting half throughput at best.

 I have the Airmax disabled on the M2's and the Clients have been running
 in 802.11b mode previously.

 The clients are a mix of Tranzeo CPQ and SL2 radios.  Signal levels
 appear to be a bout the same if not a little better.  My noise floor has
 seem to come up from around -100 to -95/90ish.

 At this point I'm a little lost / too frustrated to think straight.  Any
 suggestions would be appreciated.

 Thank you.

 -- 
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 Chief Engineer
 Summit Digital Holdings, Inc.
 100 N Roland St, Suite B
 McBain, MI 49657

 Office: 231-825-2500
 Direct: 231-908-0033
 Fax: 231-908-0039
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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Ubiquity Rocket M2 with Tranzeo CPE

2012-02-23 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I've had rotten luck with Tranzeo AP's.  They are best used for crash test 
video's when tossed off of grain elevators!

The Ubiquiti gear we had failed to work after just a few months on the air. 
And they were HEAVY.  Never really liked the GUI either.

It's funny.  I have great luck with MT but I know guys that had nothing but 
trouble with it.  I like Tranzeo (except for the danged lockups that seem to 
be caused by an error counter overload) and have had great luck with it 
overall.

Just another reason to remember that being a WISP is 50% science and 62% 
black magic!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Ubiquity Rocket M2 with Tranzeo CPE


Might have to start drinking the ubiquity koolaid.  I've just not had good
luck with the ones I've tried out here.

Have you had any situation where a Tranzeo worked at a customer site
and Ubiquiti didn't?

I replaced my Tranzeo stuff with Mikrotik way back before Ubiquiti had
their stuff.  I doubt I will ever use a Tranzeo radio again.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
 I can't help with the Ubiquity issue, but your CPE situation is the same 
 as
 ours. I know Mikrotik works well with them.

 Once you get something working well you'll love the new AP's!

 I do wish Tranzeo would fix the danged lockup issues on the cpe's though.
 Some people never have trouble, others do weekly. ug

 Might have to start drinking the ubiquity koolaid. I've just not had good
 luck with the ones I've tried out here.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_us...@wispa.org
 Cc: wireless@wispa.org; ubnt_us...@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Ubiquity Rocket M2 with Tranzeo CPE


 Did you install the RF Armor shield kits? They are an incredible help at
 defeating noise.



 On Feb 20, 2012, at 14:47, Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us wrote:

 I am in process of converting a tower from Tranzeo AP's to Ubquity
 Rocket M2's. I have the M2's hung and pointed. I can get the clients
 to connect but I seem to be getting half throughput at best.

 I have the Airmax disabled on the M2's and the Clients have been running
 in 802.11b mode previously.

 The clients are a mix of Tranzeo CPQ and SL2 radios. Signal levels
 appear to be a bout the same if not a little better. My noise floor has
 seem to come up from around -100 to -95/90ish.

 At this point I'm a little lost / too frustrated to think straight. Any
 suggestions would be appreciated.

 Thank you.

 --
 Jay DeBoer

 Chief Engineer
 Summit Digital Holdings, Inc.
 100 N Roland St, Suite B
 McBain, MI 49657

 Office: 231-825-2500
 Direct: 231-908-0033
 Fax: 231-908-0039
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[WISPA] Looking for service in Milwaukie Or.

2012-02-22 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Hi All,

Can anyone service my sister?  I'd hate to send her to the cable co or 
telco.

thanks!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: damee...@odessaoffice.com
To: o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:58 PM


 14332 se cedar ave
 Milwaukie or 97267.

 Thanks for your help
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT 

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Re: [WISPA] WISP Insurance

2012-02-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Will do.

Here's the link:
http://www.rsiprograms.com/

thanks,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Harnish 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 12:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Insurance


  Check with Jonathan McLean of Risk Strategies. You can find his contact info 
on the Vendor Spotlight page under About WISPA. He has customized some 
insurance packages specifically for wisps.

  Rick Harnish

  Marco Coelho lt;coelh...@gmail.comgt; wrote:

  HEY MARLON,

  Long time no talk.  How's life?  

  Marco Coelho


  On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

We cover our tower sites, office, work on the house etc.  Costs me around 
$4k per year.

We have a bit over 800 subs and nearly 8000 square miles of coverage.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Darin Steffl 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:26 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] WISP Insurance


  Hey guys, 


  What companies do you guys get your insurance through and what kind of 
policy/coverage do you have?  Also, what do you pay a year for your insurance?  
Thanks!



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Re: [WISPA] WISP Insurance

2012-02-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
We cover our tower sites, office, work on the house etc.  Costs me around $4k 
per year.

We have a bit over 800 subs and nearly 8000 square miles of coverage.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Darin Steffl 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:26 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] WISP Insurance


  Hey guys,


  What companies do you guys get your insurance through and what kind of 
policy/coverage do you have?  Also, what do you pay a year for your insurance?  
Thanks!



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Re: [WISPA] Rime Ice?

2012-02-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Pam works great.

Just have her run up and sweep them off from time to time!  roflol

OK, just kidding.  Pam cooking spray does a good job of keeping anything from 
building up and sticking to the antenna.

marlon

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  Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:55 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Rime Ice?


  Anyone have to deal with rime ice on antenna's? We need to build a PTP link 
that will be on a top of a mountain that's notorious for rime Ice. It would be 
a 5GHz link with sturdy 3ft radome but I'm not aware at what effect rime ice 
might have on 5GHz signal if any? Googling hasn't really bought up any decent 
info. 

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[WISPA] fbi letter

2012-01-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Hi All,

We just got our FBI letter on the screwed up DNS system.

I can't get into the web site with the code they gave me.  Anyone else 
finally get the list of infected ip addys?

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Re: [WISPA] fbi letter

2012-01-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Never mind, it worked the second time I tried.
marlon

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From: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:47 AM
Subject: [WISPA] fbi letter


 Hi All,

 We just got our FBI letter on the screwed up DNS system.

 I can't get into the web site with the code they gave me.  Anyone else
 finally get the list of infected ip addys?

 thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] fbi letter

2012-01-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/november/malware_110911/image/dns-malware-graphic/view

4.2 million infected computers.  A letter has gone out to ISPs with 
addresses that showed up in the investigation.  We had one customer with an 
infected system.

marlon

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From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] fbi letter


I have no idea what you are talking about.


 On 1/26/12 1:47 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
 Hi All,

 We just got our FBI letter on the screwed up DNS system.

 I can't get into the web site with the code they gave me.  Anyone else
 finally get the list of infected ip addys?

 thanks,
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[WISPA] population density map for Washington.

2012-01-05 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
This is very interesting.

http://wabroadbandmapping.org/PDF/Statewide/Population_Density_2010.pdf

I'm in Lincoln Co.  Us and Douglas probably have the lowest population 
density in the entire state.

I'd love to compare that to a state like Vermont or something.  People like 
to talk about rural access.  Man, I can tell you *all* about rural access!

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Re: [WISPA] 3650 MHz permission letters?

2011-12-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Half of my network is in SES land.  I finally gave up and am putting my effort 
into the FCC's new rules.  The new rules will hopefully shorten the exclusion 
zone and will require that they negotiate in good faith.

laters,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rich _ 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 MHz permission letters?


  I've been hearing more and more about spam filters that are too agressive. 
Calling may be the best thing to do.


  On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote:

In my area, I have to deal with northstarstudios.tv.

I have sent emails after emails to them.I guess next is call them
direct!?!?!?!?

Scottie Arnett
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Info-Ed, Inc.
Electronics and More
931-243-2101
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- Original Message -
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 MHz permission letters?


 Thanks for the information.  Much obliged.

 At 12/12/2011 04:12 PM, you wrote:

SES Americom can be done. It's just not a easy process.



Our first agreement with them took more than a year of legal wrangling.


Since then we have successfully negotiated agreements with SES for
another 5 towers and 3500 CPE.



Michael C. Hughes
CEO Antelecom, Inc.
661.726.3516


On Monday 12/12/2011 at 12:17, Pat O'Connor wrote:
You have to contact who manages the Satellite Earth Station and they
usually have an application and various forms to fill out. If you're
dealing with SES Americom, have fun. I don't know of one that they have
approved.


Pat





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Does anyone have a standard letter to use to ask permission from
satellite earth stations to use the 3650 MHz band within the 150 mile
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Re: [WISPA] Horizontal or Vertical

2011-12-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
why not just let them use your system for the scanners?

Everything will work better that way.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve Barnes 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:47 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Horizontal or Vertical


  I have a company that is going to deploy a WiFi Hotspot underneath a tower 
that I already have 4 UBNT M2 Sectors on.  The reason for the Deploy is they 
need to use hand barcode scanners over their whole Lot.  Luckily they plan to 
work with me on this situation and coordinate frequencies.  I have a stock of 
old Omni's that I have taken down, half are Horizontal and Half are vertical 
polarity.  Since my AP's are dual pol that does not matter.  There however is 
generally less noise on Horizontal.  The hand held barcode readers give no spec 
as to how the internal antenna is oriented.  What would others recommendation.  
I am using as high gain antenna as possible then turning down the transmit so 
the receive will be good both ways.  This will be covering about 4 acres.

   

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Re: [WISPA] opinion on Yellow Jackets?

2011-12-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I have one.  It's OK but doesn't seem to be as sensitive as my real spectrum 
analyzer.

It's light, compact and fairly easy to use.  The battery doesn't last very 
long (and hour or so) so if it's going to be use for very long I tend to 
keep the computer plugged in as much as I can.

Anrytsu makes a GREAT 2.4 gig only sa that's dirt simple to use.  I wish I 
could find one like that would cover a wider range of spectrum without the 
need for frequency conversion devices.

I've found that I tend to use both my real SA and the yellowjacket for 
most tests.

Would I buy another yellowjacket?  Maybe.  It would be much more valuable if 
it also had the ability to detect multipath like one of their other models 
does.

I wonder about some of these.
http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/product.jspx?nid=-33812.0.00cc=USlc=eng
http://www.bkprecision.com/products/model/2658/handheld-85ghz-spectrum-analyzer.html
http://www.anritsu.com/en-US/Products-Solutions/Products/MS2713E.aspx

I've rented from these guys before.  GREAT folks!
http://www.trs-rentelco.com/

Hope that helps,
marlon


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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: [WISPA] opinion on Yellow Jackets?


 What do others here think about the Yellow Jacket tablets / hand helds?

 AirMagnet is very buggy (crashes all the time, finicky with WiFi
 cards), and I'm looking for something easy to use in the field that
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Re: [WISPA] wall plate style AP

2011-11-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Not heard of those.

I have heard of this one though.
http://www.teletronics.com/hotspot.html

Never used it but Teletronics has been around this industry for a VERY long 
time.

marlon

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:28 PM
Subject: [WISPA] wall plate style AP


Has anyone used or deployed these style access points?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izV6UnNSEyU

And are there any other brands that do this sort of thing?  I would
imagine that there has to be cheaper versions out there

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[WISPA] FCC 5.4 gig training

2011-07-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Just wondering  How many are going to join the What's legal, what's 
not webinar today?

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account

2011-07-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Just another reason to use a real email account!

I can store as much as my hard drive will allow :-)

I forget what it's up to.  I used to be able to burn a DVD as a backup, but 
that's not enough anymore.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Cc: motor...@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account


  I'm at 16GB of 25.  I'm sure I would lose more then 3GB if I deleted it all.  
How far back did you go?  I'm afraid when I get close to 25 I will need to 
start deleting messages, something I loathe doing =(

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account

2011-07-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Yeah, I've kept some of those too.  Back to 1999.

I keep looking around to see if I can find the original guy that talked me into 
trying this wireless thing.  I'd like to thank him, or beat him up, depending 
on the day.  grin

I do remember he talked about having Teletronics gear strung from one end of 
Kuwait to the other.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 11:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account


  I have some WISPA, Part-15, and ISP Planet lists going back to 3Q2004.

-
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I'd add to the MT column.

I don't run MT boards for my main routers, I use Dell servers with MT software. 
 3ghz processors, many gigs of ram, as many interfaces of nearly any kind etc.  
Never had a lick of trouble with that system, and they basically never running 
over single digit processor usage.

The only problem I have had, might be fixed by now, was the last one I tried to 
do.  The drivers for sata hard drives and pci/e slots didn't work right.  I 
ended up having to use an MT appliance.  It's working fine too, but I'll swap 
it out and use it as a spare one of these days.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Roman 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:31 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP


  Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very 
good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless 
professionals.




  Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke 
additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from community 
members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is today.




  Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help 
of WISP community!




Market segment
   Econom
   Middle
   Top
   
Market players
   Mikrotik
   Imagestream
   Vyatta
   Juniper SRX
   Cisco
   
Performance and price
   20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)

2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)
   
   Up to 8x1GE
   300 Mbps – 1500$

Up to 8x1GE
   
   
Features
   Proprietary OS
   Open source, Linux-based

Quagga as dynamic routing package
   High end of open source routers
   Cisco competitor,

Junos
   IOS – stable and proven
   
Advantages
   
   
   
   
   
   
Disadvantages
   Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)
   OSPF issues
   
   
   
   
Use cases
   Startups
   Startups
   
   Large enterprises with certified engineers
   Large enterprises with certified engineers
   
Technical support
   Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants
   Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support
   You can purchase service contract
   Many paid options
   Many paid options
   
Try before buy
   http://demo2.mt.lv/
   
   
   
   
   





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  From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com
  Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
  To: wireless@wispa.org



  What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for 
one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all of 
my projects to get budget calculation. 
  For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps 
backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up to 
1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration 
Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical 
characteristics and price.


  Thank you in advance!




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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account

2011-07-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Hmmm, I've not noticed that.  No problems here yet.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account


  Unless it's Thunderbird or Outlook and you have 5GB of emails.  Then it runs 
slower than molasses in January.

  Or Eudora.  Or Windows Mail/OE.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

Just another reason to use a real email account!

I can store as much as my hard drive will allow :-)

I forget what it's up to.  I used to be able to burn a DVD as a backup, but 
that's not enough anymore.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Cc: motor...@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account


  I'm at 16GB of 25.  I'm sure I would lose more then 3GB if I deleted it 
all.  How far back did you go?  I'm afraid when I get close to 25 I will need 
to start deleting messages, something I loathe doing =(

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Jerry Richardson 
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:

FYI, deleted all of my @afmug and @wispa messages and got back 3GB of 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account

2011-07-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Hey there Rick!  How the heck are you!

Nope, you were my first sales guy, but the guy that taught me about Teletronics 
and locally cost justifiable gear is now lost to me.

I certainly learned a lot from you though!

We're up to 700 or 800 subs here.  Still doing it with about 2.5 people.  Our 
network is now bigger than the entire state of Connecticut!  Amazing stuff.  
Too bad there are so many competitors and so few people out here :-).  If I 
lived in your neck of the woods I'd be retired by now!  roflol

Glad to see you are still doing well Rick!  Take care,

laters,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Lindahl 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account


  Marlon,

   

  I just stumbled on your recent post about the original salesman and 
Teletronics' hardware and thought you might have been referring to me!? 
Although the Kuwait network wasn't something that I worked on.

   

  I'm still plugging away down here so drop me a line once in a while and let 
me know how everything is going.

   

  Take care

   

  Rick Lindahl

  Invictus Networks, LLC   503-635-2562, fax 503-635-9207

  www.invictusnetworks.com www.invictuswireless.com 

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:39 AM
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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account

   

  Yeah, I've kept some of those too.  Back to 1999.

   

  I keep looking around to see if I can find the original guy that talked me 
into trying this wireless thing.  I'd like to thank him, or beat him up, 
depending on the day.  grin

   

  I do remember he talked about having Teletronics gear strung from one end of 
Kuwait to the other.

   

  marlon

   

- Original Message - 

From: Mike Hammett 

To: WISPA General List 

Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account

 

I have some WISPA, Part-15, and ISP Planet lists going back to 3Q2004.



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Re: [WISPA] electro-comm or?????

2011-06-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
I did, they said I'd have to talk to a fee based tech support person for 
advice
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] electro-comm or?


 My sales rep at Tessco has always been able to answer that type of
 question.  Maybe try a sales person instead of support.

 On 6/16/2011 7:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
 Anyone else miss having these guys around?

 Know where the guys landed?

 I called Tessco the other day for advice on antennas for an application.
 They wanted to charge me for help in picking out a product that I 
 intended
 to purchase from them!  ug

 It would be great to be able to talk to Mark, Tee, Lee etc. when I want 
 to
 try out a new product or just want to experiment with something different
 than what I normally use today.

 laters,
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Re: [WISPA] electro-comm or?????

2011-06-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Yeah, that's what I usually do.  But sometimes a guy needs to know what his 
options are.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] electro-comm or?


 These places are probably tired of people calling and getting free
 advise and support and then having people buy elsewhere.

 Buy it and try it. That's my motto.

 Travis


 On 6/16/2011 5:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
 Anyone else miss having these guys around?

 Know where the guys landed?

 I called Tessco the other day for advice on antennas for an application.
 They wanted to charge me for help in picking out a product that I 
 intended
 to purchase from them!  ug

 It would be great to be able to talk to Mark, Tee, Lee etc. when I want 
 to
 try out a new product or just want to experiment with something different
 than what I normally use today.

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[WISPA] electro-comm or?????

2011-06-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Anyone else miss having these guys around?

Know where the guys landed?

I called Tessco the other day for advice on antennas for an application. 
They wanted to charge me for help in picking out a product that I intended 
to purchase from them!  ug

It would be great to be able to talk to Mark, Tee, Lee etc. when I want to 
try out a new product or just want to experiment with something different 
than what I normally use today.

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Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near

2011-04-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Blush.

Thanks for the kind words Fred!

It's really important for everyone else to file too!  This is a very big 
deal and the FCC needs to hear from us!

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near


 At 4/22/2011 01:07 PM, MarlonS wrote:
Hi All,

I finally got my USF comments filed in the right spots (I hope, things are
different than the last time I filed directly :-).

 Marlon, I file a lot of FCC Comments, and have put in both rounds of
 Comments and the first Reply Comments, and have read a lot of the
 crap that others have filed, and having seen too many of these postings,

 YOUR COMMENT ROCKS!

 It really hits home in many ways.  Since you're writing as an
 individual entrepreneur, not as a lawyer, you aren't stuck with
 legalese interpretations of conflicting statutes.  You're talking
 real world, something the FCC so rarely deals with.  And you write
 well, which really helps get the point across.  Keep it up.


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

2011-04-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Thanks Cameron,

Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at.  
Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.

But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time?  
You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used.  
Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used.  Gas isn't in 
miles per hour etc. etc. etc.

Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a 
dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'

We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used.  In my case 
the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how 
you run the numbers.

You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer 
during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't deliver.  We use the bit 
caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service 
and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them.

Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts.  That's enough 
to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet 
radio (my parents have this problem :-).

For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to 10.  Netflix 
will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more 
data to suck it all up.  It can use a little or a lot.  Usually a lot.

We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users these days.  
But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the 
customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account.

It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can 
do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business.

We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps.  But 
those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years.  They 
will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates.  Even higher prices isn't 
going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the 
customers.

How many movies can you support at once across the average AP?  5?  10 at the 
most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower.

Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I 
can.  509.988.0260

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cameron Crum 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?


  Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps 
for years.

  Cameron


  On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger jnovin...@gmail.com wrote:

They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
speed.

Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
of caps.

Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.

Jason


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net wrote:
 We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled
 to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the
 video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.  We are
 looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right
 model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or
 block pricing.

 Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too
 much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can
 anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to
 this, the simpler the better?

 Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor
 and automate billing of overages, etc?

 Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.

 --Dan P.



 

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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Member's Maps Updated

2011-04-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Mine looks good.  I can't wait till we get coverage maps to go with them!  
There's a bit hole in the middle of Wa. that is actually very well covered :-).
marlon

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  Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:33 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Member's Maps Updated


  Please check your listings and let me know if they are in error.

   

  http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170

   

  Respectfully,

   

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[WISPA] USF comment deadline is near

2011-04-22 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
 internet provider out there had what amounts to 
a 20% increase in their upstream costs with NO increase in revenue to 
support it.  Who will pay for this once things like Netflix and Hulu really 
get popular?



The consumer is really the one that should pay those costs. 
Yet the national broadband plan, most press and certainly most consumers 
think that internet costs should come down even further!  Can you just 
imagine everyone in the country switching to a nice shiny new Suburban and 
then expecting Texaco to pay for the extra gas they need?  Why is the 
internet industry thought of any differently?



Perhaps Netflix will make some real strides in compression 
technology or display capabilities.

http://imgur.com/gallery/NvGso

It would sure be nice if the whole discussion of how much capacity Netflix 
needs became more of a non issue.



Thank you for your time,

Marlon K. Schafer

Owner

Odessa Office Equipment

(509) 982-2181





If you worry about your competition getting funded and you not getting 
funded then you need to weigh in on this filing.  This is, in my opinion, 
the biggest thing that the FCC has done since I've been a WISP.  This will 
make my business or kill it.  Nothing in between.



Take care,

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Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near

2011-04-22 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
When your filing is done correctly you'll be directed to a page with info 
similar to this:

ECFS Filing Receipt - Confirmation number: 2011422924356 Proceedings
 Name Subject
 10-90  In the Matter of Connect America Fund A National Brooadband Plan 
for Our Future High-Cost Universal Service Support. .
 09-51  In the matter of a National Broadband Plan for Our Future.
 07-135  In the Matter of Establishing Just and Reasonable Rates for 
Local Exchange Carriers. .
 05-337  In the Matter of Federal -State Joint Board on Universal 
Service High-Cost Universal Service Support. .. .
 01-92  Developing a Unified Intercarrier Compensation Regime.
 96-45  FEDERAL-STATE JOINT BOARD ON UNIVERSAL SERVICE
 03-109  In the Matter of Lifeline and Link-Up
 Contact Info
Name of Filer: Marlon K. Schafer
Email Address: o...@odessaoffice.com  Address
Address Line 1: box 489
City: Odessa
State: WASHINGTON
Zip: 99159  Details
Type of Filing: COMMENT
Document(s)File Name Custom Description Size
  USF reform platform.doc  Resending wtih proceeding's indluded on the 
doccument. 155 KB

Disclaimer
This confirmation verifies that ECFS has received and accepted your filing. 
However, your filing will be rejected by ECFS if it contains macros, 
passwords, redlining, read-only formatting, a virus, or automated links to 
other documents.

Filings are generally processed and made available for online viewing within 
one business day of receipt. You may use the link below to check on the 
status of your filing:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment/confirm?confirmation=2011422924356

For any problems please contact the Help Desk at 202-418-0193.

- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com
To: memb...@wispa.org
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:07 AM
Subject: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near


 Hi All,

 I finally got my USF comments filed in the right spots (I hope, things are
 different than the last time I filed directly :-).

 Your comments will apply to multiple FCC documents.  Here's the list:
 WC Docket No. 10-90
 GN Docket No. 09-51
 WC Docket No. 07-135
 WC Docket No. 05-337
 CC Docket No. 01-92
 CC Docket No. 96-45
 WC Docket No. 03-109

 You'll go here to file them:
 http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=7t6a4

 Notice the proceeding box.  You'll put one of the above numbers into that
 box then fill out the rest of the form.  There is a spot you can click 
 that
 will let you put more than one proceeding into your filing.  That'll save
 you a lot of time.

 The easiest way to do this is to include the above numbers into a document
 that you write then attach the document at the bottom of the filing form.

 Here's mine:
 *

 Friday, March 18, 2011



 Comments on USF.

 WC Docket No. 10-90

 GN Docket No. 09-51
 WC Docket No. 07-135
 WC Docket No. 05-337
 CC Docket No. 01-92
 CC Docket No. 96-45
 WC Docket No. 03-109





 Dear Sirs,



I have been reading the current NPRM on USF and have gone
 from excited to frustrated to outright petrified, all in the first 20 
 pages
 or so.



At this point I think my life as an ISP is pretty well 
 over.
 It's just a matter of time before I join the ranks of the buggy whip
 industry.



You site example upon example of creative rule
 interpretations, shady practices and out right misappropriations.  Yet 
 there
 is not one word dedicated to enforcement.  Nothing about removal of
 companies from the program when they clearly abuse the current programs.



What good is an overhaul of the USF system and all of it's
 side bar programs into a new CAF or any other program if the same ol'
 companies are still going to have access to it?  They cheated the system
 before, they'll do it again!



I'd always wondered how it happened that PTI bought out the
 US West system here in Odessa.  Then PTI was bought out by Century Tel.
 Then Century Tel bought out Embarq.  Next they bought Quest, not an area
 Quest covered, but Quest.  Quest, the renamed US West!



Where in the world does a small rural telco get the money 
 to
 buy out a huge company like US West/Quest?  Now I know.  They game a 
 system
 that no one cares is being scammed.



I had a temp cable run to my house for 3 years.  On a
 short drive last week I spotted 2 more temp runs, one of which I know 
 has
 been there for more than a year.  Just cable strung across the ground 
 along
 side the ditch.  There is one main trunk, just outside of town, that's 
 been
 ground laid for 7 years now!  They can afford to buy out Quest but they 
 can't
 afford to maintain the network that they already have?



So, take USF funds for a high cost area, don't fix things
 in the high cost area and instead buy out your competition.  Nice gig.



Why

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Caps in the News

2011-03-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
H.

Who would have thought this would ever happen?  roflol

Maybe those of us that set usage limits back in 2000?  whoo hooo  I am 
SOO good at this business!
marlon

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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Caps in the News


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[WISPA] USF stuff, comments due April 1st.

2011-03-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Hi All,

I've been reading the USF proceeding that the FCC is working on.  It's LONG 
and boring.

I've pretty much given up though.  I'm disheartened and disgusted.

In the proceeding they give example after example of the abuse that's taking 
place within USF and it's cousin programs.  Yet the focus is in how to 
change the rules so that the abuse stops.

How in the world are they going to get dishonest operators to stop being 
dishonest just by changing the rules?

And all of the talk that I've read so far centers around how to revise the 
programs so that the same ol' people will somehow magically start behaving 
nicely and putting the funds into the customers instead of buying out their 
competition, bonus' or whatever.

It sure looks like the fix is already in.  Lots of work, lots of talk, etc. 
But at the end of the day it'll be just like the stimulus programs, most of 
the money will go to the people that are largely responsible for the mess in 
the first place!

Anyone else have a different take on this?

The NPRM is here:
http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0209/FCC-11-13A1.pdf

More info here (commissioner comments etc.):
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/Query.do?numberFld=numberFld2=docket=10-90dateFld=docTitleDesc=

If I'm reading this correctly, comments are due April 1st.

We still don't have a stance on much of what we think USF should be!

My thought is that they should get rid of USF completely.  I don't care if 
you call it USF, CAF, e-rate or anything else, let the market handle this 
chore.

But they won't do that.  So my next thought is that they should just expand 
the program, as is, to include the existing broadband players in the market 
and put a 10 year sunset on the program, after that, only the strong shall 
survive.

But they won't do that either.  So how do we make it so that companies like 
Century Tel that have managed to leave wire laying across the ditch for 
YEARS out here because there is no budget to fix things, can't then turn 
around and buy out their larger competitors for billions of dollars?

thoughts?
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Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

2011-03-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Re: [WISPA] Calea ComplianceRight.

There are documents that WISPA has created to help with this.

http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=2022

We also have an implementation guide but the board has not determined how 
that's to be distributed.  We can certainly get a copy to you if you are a 
member.

Please note, that we're in the middle of a minor re-write that will focus on 
IPv6 issues and a couple of clarifications that needed work in the original 
version.
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  To: ro...@g5i.net ; 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 5:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance


  You would be better off putting a passive tap inline and the router as a 
probe.  If you do that, it will be completely invisible to the end customer.

   

  Regards,

  Jeff
  ImageStream Sales Manager
  800-813-5123 x106


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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

   

  Ok, but the FBI wouldn't know I stuck the hardware there at the last
  minute. And the tower glitches off whenever I do a firmware upgrade
  anyway. The customer wouldn't know the difference.

  On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
   Depends who you ask.  Some might say the customer could notice a change in
   network and hence non compliant.
  
   On Mar 5, 2011 10:43 PM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote:
   Would I cover myself for calea by having a mikrotik router on the
   shelf, set up as a bridge, with the calea module installed. Then if I
   get subpoenaed for a tap, I just run out to the appropriate tower and
   put it on the ethernet interface of whichever AP the subscriber is on?
  
   Thanks,
   Roger
  
  
  
   

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Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members Demographics

2011-03-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Holy smokes!  How can you follow ANYTHING on that page?  I got dizzy just 
looking at it.  Never did find that sarcasm emoticon thingy.
marlon

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  Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members  Demographics





  On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 08:55, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:

I'm still waiting for someone to invent sarcasm font.



  http://mashable.com/2010/01/15/sarcmark/


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Re: [WISPA] [FCC Committee] $25,0000 FCC TDWR Enforcement Action

2011-02-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
This is GREAT news!

We don't need any blatent repeat offenders in our midst.

It's not like this is a system out in the middle of no where and not hurting 
anything

Looks like it's owned by Steven McGhie.  Anyone know who that is?

He got some good press in 2003.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B06E6D91238F935A25752C1A9659C8B63sec=spon=pagewanted=all

marlon

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From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
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Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 12:29 PM
Subject: [FCC Committee] $25, FCC TDWR Enforcement Action



 An FCC announcement today reported that FCC enforcement action led to a 
 Utah
 company that was interfering with the TDWR system that serves the Salt 
 Lake City
 International Airport.

 The company was fined $25,000 for

 1. Using equipment on an frequency that the equipment was not certified to
 operate on.

 2. Running excessive power.

 3. Disabling DFS.

 4. Repeatedly and willfully violating the Communications Act and Part 15 
 rules.


 http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-11-273A1.pdf

 http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-11-273A1.doc

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

2011-02-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
The proper fix for this problem is a visit from the enforcement guys, and a 
nasty fine for repeat offenders.

After that, what would be so hard about using sensing and DFS (done right 
this time) to cause systems near the radars to notch out the 110mhz of 
spectrum while not bothering anyone else?

The radar systems are well known, should be an easy signal to detect.

The radios already tend to send a LOT of data back and forth, radio name, 
signal levels, speed, language, channel used etc. etc. etc.  Certainly any 
radio that turns on could sense for 30 seconds, if it detects a TDWR signal 
at a certain threshold, then report than back to the AP and the AP could 
then lock out the needed channels for that particular location.

This should be able to be done via a firmware upgrade to any legacy or new 
hardware out there.

Cheap, relatively easy, fixes the problem and does NOT take away 110mhz of 
newly acquired spectrum from the rest of the country.

A quick note on PR.  The operator(s) there has run foot loose and fancy free 
with the rules for as long as I can remember.  Perhaps it's time to fine 
them at a high enough level that it puts them out of business?  Kind of a 3 
strikes your out thing.

marlon

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Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 1:47 PM
Subject: [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed



In spite of the noteworthy efforts on the part of many WISP operators and in
spite of a temporary decrease in the levels of TDWR interference reported to 
us
by the FCC, the TDWR interference situation has unfortunately deteriorated. 
The
FCC now reports that some locations (New York, Chicago, Denver and Dallas) 
that
were recently “cleared” of interference are once again experiencing 
significant
interference problems. The TDWR interference in San Juan Puerto Rico is so 
bad
that the TDWR system had to be shut off by the FAA. This is not good news
because the FAA is pushing the FCC to solve these interference problems once 
and
for all.

Voluntary database registration has unfortunately not proven to be effective
enough. There are still some operators who apparently have not heard about 
the
TDWR interference problem and some who have simply failed to bring and keep
their systems in compliance. On the supply-chain side, there are several
manufacturers and distributors who did take positive, affirmative and
responsible action to help address the problem however they were they in the
minority. Most manufacturers and distributors did not “step up to the plate”
with customer education or software upgrades. Because airline safety is a 
very
important issue, it only takes a few “bad actors” to cause significant 
problems
for everyone else.

The FCC is under strong pressure to take steps to solve the interference 
problem
for good. The FCC Office of Engineering and Technology has started drafting 
a
Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM). We don’t know yet what new rules the 
FCC
will propose. They could require that the 5570 to 5680 frequency range be
“notched out” for all new equipment. This would mean that we would lose the 
use
of 110 MHz of spectrum. Another possibility is that TDWR database 
registration
will be required of all WISPs instead the current voluntary registration for
WISPs located near TDWRs. A third possibility is that all new equipment 
might
have to automatically log into a geo-location database (similar to the TV 
White
Space database) and receive a list of allowable frequencies. Nearby TDWR
frequencies and a guard band around the TDWR frequency range would be 
prohibited.

The FCC OET has agreed to meet with us to listen to and discuss our 
suggestions
about ways to address the problem and what new rules should be proposed in 
the
NPRM. I’ve prepared a short online survey for WISPA Members to see what new
rules they prefer and what suggestions they have. Please take a few minutes
today to review this survey and give me your feedback before I publish this
survey to our Members. I expect that there will be a variety of opinions and
possibly additional solutions. WISPA’s policy will be guided by whatever the
majority of WISPA Members say they want.

Here’s the link to the survey  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HPCC7BL

Most of us do not want new rules and regulations however the bottom line is 
that
we need to save this spectrum. 110 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum is too valuable to 
just
give up. We have to fight too hard to acquire spectrum; it wouldn’t be right 
for
all of us to lose 110 MHz of spectrum because of the actions of a few
noncompliant operators.

As always, thank-you for your help.

Jack Unger
Chair - WISPA FCC Committee
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[WISPA] OT, file recovery software

2010-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family 
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can 
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics 
I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for 
jpgs and such?

thanks
marlon




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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

2010-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
He reinstalled windows.  All traces of the old files are gone.  I need a 
program that can grab the files directly from the disk.

I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang for the buck.

thanks,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: RickG 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software


  Marlon,


  It depends on what you mean by reload windows. You might need a file 
recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple as 
rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use an 
invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!



  On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com 
wrote:

Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics
I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
jpgs and such?

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

2010-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Thanks!

That looks like just what I'm after.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jason Hensley 
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  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software


  www.easeus.com - data recovery wizard - can't beat it for the price.  Will 
recover even after multiple reformats.  

   

   

   

   

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Behalf Of RickG
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:55 AM
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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

   

  Marlon,

   

  It depends on what you mean by reload windows. You might need a file 
recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple as 
rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use an 
invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!

   

  On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com 
wrote:

  Hi All,

  I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family
  pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
  figure out how to get the files back.

  My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics
  I can find.

  Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
  jpgs and such?

  thanks
  marlon



  

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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

2010-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hmmm, a bootable cd sounds like an easier way to do this!
marlon

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From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com
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Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software


 Active@

 Sent from my iPhone4

 On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com 
 wrote:

 Hi All,

 I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no 
 family
 pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
 figure out how to get the files back.

 My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any 
 pics
 I can find.

 Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
 jpgs and such?

 thanks
 marlon



 
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

2010-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I don't know.  I wasn't there and no one asked me about it first

  - Original Message - 
  From: Greg Ihnen 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software


  Did the Windows installer (the app) ask to format the drive?


  Greg


  On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:


He reinstalled windows.  All traces of the old files are gone.  I need a 
program that can grab the files directly from the disk.

I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang for the 
buck.

thanks,
marlon

  - Original Message -
  From: RickG
  To: WISPA General List
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software


  Marlon,


  It depends on what you mean by reload windows. You might need a file 
recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple as 
rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use an 
invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!



  On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no 
family
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any 
pics
I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
jpgs and such?

thanks
marlon





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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

2010-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah, and the fact that the trees out here seem to be growing FASTER than ever 
before!  Now that I'm a WISP I wish the trees would all die.  But NOo, they 
have to grow even faster!  hehehehe
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Schmidt 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees


  What about the trees in the forests around 100KW UHF TV towers?  Wouldn't 
somebody have noticed, by now, that all the trees in a 10 mile radius had died 
a few years into the '70s when the put them up?

  Jonathan Schmidt
  W8BZB



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  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:40 AM
  To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees


  I thought it was global warming. All kidding aside, it goes back to this: 
Even if true, what do they want to do about it?


  On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com 
wrote:

Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave? Hope
you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
radiation from mobile-phone http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones/
networks and wireless LANs.

Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted by
Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy and
healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.

We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/accessories/crave-talk-is-wi-fi-the-21st-century-pl
ague-49290554/  way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
The Health Protection Agency
http://www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/Radiation/UnderstandingRadiation/Understanding
RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/  states that there is no
consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population. A small
number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
electromagnetic fields.

Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well below
government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd have
to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried, just
make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing for
it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TckJBvl_uT0 . Right, time to make like a
tree and leave.


Read more:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-50001681/
#ixzz173UMdYiX
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-50001681
/

I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...


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Re: [WISPA] Quick question

2010-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Here's a really good video for you to look at.  It's about wispy but notice 
how the wireless signals don't just stop at the edge of the channels, they 
actually bleed down in a bell shape.

http://www.dailywireless.org/2010/04/15/spectrum-analyzers-get-integrated/

OFDM signals (g and a) are much more squared off on top than what this shows 
though.

Hope that helps,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Optimum Wireless Services wil...@optimumwireless.com
To: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick question


I guess both on different channels: 20mhz on channel 1 and the other on
 channel 9.


 On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 08:44 -0600, Cameron Crum wrote:
 What channels?

 On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Optimum Wireless Services
 wil...@optimumwireless.com wrote:
 Hello.

 Just a quick stupid question:

 If I have two omni antennas both transmitting at 2.4GHz but,
 one with
 10MHz channel width and the other with normal 20MHz width;
 would they
 interfere with each other?



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

2010-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah, check the firmware versions you are using etc.

Does the slowdown only happen at the customers or at your noc too?

What client gear are you guys using?

What routers are the customers using?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Optimum Wireless Services wil...@optimumwireless.com
To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail


 Marlon.

 That's exactly how things are in our network. Speedtest look good but,
 once the client goes to Facebook and Hotmail things just don't work
 well.

 Any solution or suggestions?


 On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 11:22 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 Oh yeah, we'd run speed tests and they'd look great.  Google would load
 right up etc.  Reboot the router/radio and things would run fine for a
 little bit.

 Then try to go to MSN, Myspace, facebook etc. and things would die.

 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Optimum Wireless Services wil...@optimumwireless.com
 To: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail


 I don't use Facebook much but, I had to lately in order to test the
  problem. Is actually a little slow from time to time. All other pages
  load fine. That's what I don't understand.
 
  I found this about facebook:
 
  http://www.5starsocialnetwork.com/facebook-connection-problems/
 
  http://support.momentoapp.com/discussions/problems/106-problem-with-facebook-connection
 
  http://www.facebook.com/KnownIssues/posts/171845609509593
 
  I'm puzzled at all this and is really getting on my nerves. I have
  people complaining about it.
 
  Thanks.
 
  On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 13:26 -0500, RickG wrote:
  Have you seen the actual problem for yourself? If so, does it do it at
  your core?
 
  On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Optimum Wireless Services
  wil...@optimumwireless.com wrote:
  Hello.
 
  Lately my customers have been experiencing problems accessing
  facebook
  and hotmail. They claim they can't access their email on
  hotmail after
  entering their credentials and can't see pictures and other
  people's
  profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We
  have 3
  5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have
  about 120
  customers and have complained so much about it that is already
  getting
  on me.
 
  Just wanted to know if any of you have experienced problems
  with these
  two websites.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Quick question

2010-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Well, there are 83.5 mhz of spectrum available.  So in theory, no.

HOWEVER, it'll depend on how close they are.

So if you have two systems at fairly low power levels I'd expect you to be 
fine.  If the power levels are very high though, you WILL interfer with 
yourself.

Also, you'll likely find that you are already causing most of your 
interference from having so many sectors so close together on that tower (I 
read that you have 4 sectors up there as I recall).

laters,
marlon

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From: Optimum Wireless Services wil...@optimumwireless.com
To: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick question


I guess both on different channels: 20mhz on channel 1 and the other on
 channel 9.


 On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 08:44 -0600, Cameron Crum wrote:
 What channels?

 On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Optimum Wireless Services
 wil...@optimumwireless.com wrote:
 Hello.

 Just a quick stupid question:

 If I have two omni antennas both transmitting at 2.4GHz but,
 one with
 10MHz channel width and the other with normal 20MHz width;
 would they
 interfere with each other?



 
 
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[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rulesat an amazingheight...

2010-12-02 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

- Original Message - 
From: n4zkf towert...@n4zkf.com
To: towert...@contesting.com
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rulesat an 
amazingheight...


 Horse Hockey!  The safer a situation seems to be breeds complacency, 
 that's
 when accidents happen
 That's the biggest bunch of BS I have heard in years.

 I have scrapped more than one person off the ground from GC's that fell
 150ft+ saying I won't fall. Try to scrape a body of jelly into a bag 
 after
 his fall.

 I have 8000 towers under me with 15 people on them every day. I have NEVER
 had one of them get hurt in over 10 years. WHY? BECAUSE THEY DON'T FREE
 CLIMB.
 They also have a rescue bag laying at the bottom of the tower before the
 climbers go up in case someone gets in trouble.

 I started in telecom climbing Broadcast towers 20 years ago when
 free-climbing was the norm. It was stupid then and it's stupid now. It's 
 not
 worth losing your life for!
 Tell me what company you work for because you will never be on one of our
 towers.

 Sorry for the soapbox guys but when I hear this stuff my blood boils. 100%
 tie off at all times! Period! I have seen people die in person. (it didn't
 matter if they worked
 for me or not) They died free-climbing.


 Dave


 -Original Message-
 From: towertalk-boun...@contesting.com
 [mailto:towertalk-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike
 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:41 PM
 To: towert...@contesting.com
 Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules at an
 amazingheight...

 Many people free climb to some extent, I know I do, if you are so worried
 about free climbing then you obviously should not climb at all.  Many
 professionals that monitor this group free climb before they clip in. 
 Many
 people free climb 100 foot trees for a living, I have climbed trees and it
 is way more dangerous because of slippery conditions and many unknowns, it
 just makes you way more careful.

 The safer a situation seems to be breeds complacency, that's when 
 accidents
 happen.  If you slip and fall in your full harness at a 100 feet you have
 about 4-5 minutes for someone to get up there and get your feet on the 
 tower
 before the blood pools in your legs and you die because of the tourniquet
 affect of the thigh straps.

 I bet nobody that climbs ham radio towers does a what if scenario if I
 should fall, who is going to climb up and get me.  While your hanging 
 there
 maybe unconscious because you have hit your head on the ten foot drop,
 everyone on the ground is running around like headless chickens.  Maybe 
 911,
 forget that, none of those guys have any idea how to get you off the tower
 because they do not have training or the equipment.

 If you are going to fall it is not when you are climbing, it is when you 
 are
 at the top doing the antenna placement and something slips and hits you or
 crushes your fingers, that's when you need to be tied in with short
 Lanyards.

 Better to be fit and careful and not fall of in the first place.

 Mick

 -Original Message-


 This made the rounds on here a couple months back. Couple weeks ago it 
 even
 showed up on The Weather Channel videos.  They must not screen them and 
 no
 way to tell them what it was.

 I still don't understand the psychology behind people getting ill, or 
 unable
 to watch.

 73

 Roger (K8RI)


 On 12/1/2010 5:12 PM, Joe Giacobello, K2XX wrote:
Seems to be a commercial operation.  I guess the OSHA inspector
 couldn't (wouldn't) make an on-site inspection.  Also, note the
 porcupine dissipators on the way up.


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Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

2010-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We had this with Tranzeo CPQ radios in router mode.  The new sites open too 
many streams and overwhelm the routers.

Starting to see some Linksys one's do it too.

Using the latest and greatest firmware fixed the problems.  Usually. 
Sometimes it's time to upgrade the hardware though.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Optimum Wireless Services wil...@optimumwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 5:45 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail


 Hello.

 Lately my customers have been experiencing problems accessing facebook
 and hotmail. They claim they can't access their email on hotmail after
 entering their credentials and can't see pictures and other people's
 profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We have 3
 5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have about 120
 customers and have complained so much about it that is already getting
 on me.

 Just wanted to know if any of you have experienced problems with these
 two websites.

 Thanks in advanced.



 
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

2010-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Oh yeah, we'd run speed tests and they'd look great.  Google would load 
right up etc.  Reboot the router/radio and things would run fine for a 
little bit.

Then try to go to MSN, Myspace, facebook etc. and things would die.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Optimum Wireless Services wil...@optimumwireless.com
To: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail


I don't use Facebook much but, I had to lately in order to test the
 problem. Is actually a little slow from time to time. All other pages
 load fine. That's what I don't understand.

 I found this about facebook:

 http://www.5starsocialnetwork.com/facebook-connection-problems/

 http://support.momentoapp.com/discussions/problems/106-problem-with-facebook-connection

 http://www.facebook.com/KnownIssues/posts/171845609509593

 I'm puzzled at all this and is really getting on my nerves. I have
 people complaining about it.

 Thanks.

 On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 13:26 -0500, RickG wrote:
 Have you seen the actual problem for yourself? If so, does it do it at
 your core?

 On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Optimum Wireless Services
 wil...@optimumwireless.com wrote:
 Hello.

 Lately my customers have been experiencing problems accessing
 facebook
 and hotmail. They claim they can't access their email on
 hotmail after
 entering their credentials and can't see pictures and other
 people's
 profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We
 have 3
 5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have
 about 120
 customers and have complained so much about it that is already
 getting
 on me.

 Just wanted to know if any of you have experienced problems
 with these
 two websites.

 Thanks in advanced.



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

2010-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP.

Think x10 camera or other similar system.

Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month


 Help.
 I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a
 customer.  He hooked it up, couldn't connect.  Does not show in list of
 available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop.  Must be DOA.
 Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it.  Fine,
 customer can hook it up.  Customer calls, can't make it work.  I stop in
 and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop.  Two of them DOA
 seems unlikely, but ...
 I setup another one.  Take it to customer house. Can't see it.  Moved it
 to another room.  Still doesn't show up.  Get my laptop.  Same thing.
 Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units.
 Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these.
 I just setup the second one on the test bench.  It is working fine.
 Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should.
 What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3
 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless
 networks?

 -- 
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 Owner
 NewWays Networking, LLC
 Wireless Networking
 Network Design, Installation and Administration
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Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....

2010-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I'd give Dell a call.  Either factor refub units or brand new but with XP 
installed instead of 7.

http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfb/notebooks/ct.aspx?refid=notebookss=dfbcs=28

Course you can always call them at 888-518-3355.  I tend to want to talk to 
people.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: bmoldas...@gmail.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 7:11 PM
Subject: [WISPA] OT Laptops


 Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP 
 operating
 system?  Looking for something sub $600.  Using it strictly for 
 programming
 equipment and running diagnostics.  Not doing anything CPU intensive.
 Unfortunately we are running quite a few programs that don't play well 
 with
 WIN 7.

 Tnx

 -B-





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 Holbrook, NY 11741
 800-479-9195
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Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP

2010-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We do this today with Mikrotik routers.  Don't need the bgp part of it for 
just a backup service.
marlon

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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:41 AM
Subject: [WISPA] DSL  BGP


 Does anyone know of a DSL provider that supports BGP on DSL?  Looking
 simply for a redundancy circuit.


 
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Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

2010-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Just a quick note.  It seems that most wifi based systems that I've used do NOT 
detect constant carrier signals.  So a mechanism that is always on will kill 
them but not show up as noise in the stats.

A spectrum analyzer is a mission critical device sometimes.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: ~NGL~ 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  Been up 23 hours since I changed channels, no dropped clients or other 
problems.
  Keeping my fingers crossed.
  NGL
From: RickG 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:35 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


I understand that. I hope the frequency change helps. Let us know.


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:15 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote:

  Your partially right Tower is only 65 foot, but difficult to get to in 
good weather using a quad, and it has been raining all day. No one want to 
climb a tower in the rain. I have changed channel and it seems to be stable. I 
hope!
  NGL
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:43 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


I take it the tower is fairly high so you're resisting climbing to swap 
it out?


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote:

  Noise was the same as it always is 91 - 94 range, and is the same 
this morning.

  We had some light rain yesterday started about noon, and rained on 
and off, the same thing this morning.
  We had some very hard rain and strong winds the end of October, and 
encountered no problems.
  I am going to try switching channels with another AP on that tower .
  NGL
From: Bret Clark 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:14 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


Did it rain recently? We had a similar problem where the antenna 
was not sealed tight and everytime it rained hard clients would drop off, but 
after a few hours of sun shining on the system they'd be fine until the next 
heavy rain storm. The thing that threw us off was that light or normal rain 
that didn't last long didn't seem to affect the antenna, only heavy rain with 
maybe some wind thrown in the mix. 

Then on a different note, we've recently been battling an issue 
where on one of our 5GH systems clients were all dropping off at very random 
times...Turn out damn BAE systems down the road was testing frequency hopping 
radar crap and every time it hopped into the frequency we were using, the 
clients dropped off. 


On 11/20/2010 12:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: 
  All the clients came back on line about 10 pm last night. and are 
still on line this morning.
  I don’t get it!
  The AP is a TR-902 11f which has an internal antenna.
  The clients that were were dropped were a mix of nearest and 
furthest from the AP.
  Thanx
  NGL
From: Phil Curnutt 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:51 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


Put a power meter between the AP radio and the antenna and make 
sure the radio is putting out the power it should.  Also check the SWR, should 
be about 1.3/5.  I would guess that the clients being dropped are the ones 
furthest away, if the AP is losing power or the antenna is wet or damaged and 
losing signal.

Phil


On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com 
wrote:

  Yes. Since you said  it has now dropped 15 of 20 that are 
connected to that AP. I would suspect there is an issue with that AP. I'd swap 
it out with a known good AP and see if that helps. Otherwise, you may be having 
some interference issues on that sector which would mean you'll need a cavity 
filter. On that note, can you run a spectrum scan to see? 



  On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote:

Do you mean the AP? It still works with 7 clients now.
NGL
  From: RickG 
  Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:12 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  swap the suspect unit out with a known working unit.


  On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:29 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net 
wrote:

I have 4 TR-902 AP's on a tower 3 are working fine, 1 
has been dropping clients at the rate of 1 every 5 minuets it has now dropped 
15 of 20 that are connected to that AP. I have rebooted the AP and some of the 
clients, with no success. I have no idea what is wrong. Now I see that 2 have 
come back.. Any suggestions? 
   

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Bakeoff test survey

2010-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I took a look at your list.  Pretty impressive.

None of those are on my hot list but I am curious about any that you do 
happen to test.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 6:25 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Bakeoff test survey


 In order to streamline the products and make sure that we have enough
 time to test the products completely
 please take the survey to determine which backhaul is important in your 
 opinion.

 Please vote whether you are attending AFMUG or not.  Results will be 
 shared.

 http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XD3RCRD

 For more information about AFMUG held in SLC, Utah between Jan 11-14
 2011 see http://www.afmug.com

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

2010-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We do it.  No contract.

We will want to install the hardware and make sure that we're set up as 
backup only.  Like you, if usage goes higher than we think backup should 
they'll get billed a full account till they get the main account working 
right again.

Having said that, normally ours is the primary service and the other service 
is the backup.  Same scenario though, they are set at the router level to 
only come online if ours goes down.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Nick lists-wi...@atomsplash.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:18 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services


 Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause?

 I'm looking to offer backup service  want to offer a discount over the
 standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we
 monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as
 their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to
 our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and
 they seem receptive to this.

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Re: [WISPA] [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules atanamazingheight...

2010-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
OY!  I can't even watch that video.

Those guys are just plain nuts.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Robinson mark...@mindspring.com
To: Tom Osborne w7...@frontier.com
Cc: towert...@contesting.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules 
atanamazingheight...


 There was a death a while back when a climber fell and it looked like one 
 of
 those climbing pegs had rusted through and had snapped off when weight was
 put on it

 Mark N1UK


 - Original Message - 
 From: Tom Osborne w7...@frontier.com
 To: Towertalk towert...@contesting.com
 Sent: Wednesday, 01 December, 2010 6:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules at
 anamazingheight...


 Watching them go up the last 50 feet or so made me wonder just what would
 happen if one of those climbing pegs snapped off.  Be a LONG way down. 
 At
 that height seems like they would get kinda rusty.  73
 Tom W7WHY


  Seems to be a commercial operation.  I guess the OSHA inspector
 couldn't (wouldn't) make an on-site inspection.  Also, note the
 porcupine dissipators on the way up.

 http://www.liveleak.com/mp53/player.swf?config=http://www.liveleak.com/mp53/player_config.php?token=f2d_1284588370%26embed=1

 73, Joe
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Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP

2010-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Sorry, nope.  If I told ya I'd have to.

Oh OK, I don't know how it gets done.  Butch handles all of that kind of 
programming for me.  He can help you with the config.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL  BGP


 Can you elaborate a little on how you have this configured. I had thought 
 about the 50 Meg Comcast as a backup. I also use mikrotik for the router.

 Sent from my iPhone4

 On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com 
 wrote:

 We do this today with Mikrotik routers.  Don't need the bgp part of it 
 for
 just a backup service.
 marlon

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 From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:41 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] DSL  BGP


 Does anyone know of a DSL provider that supports BGP on DSL?  Looking
 simply for a redundancy circuit.


 
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Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP

2010-12-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
It's for a backup.  Different than BGP.  For our customers it's used when 
the choice is slower alternate internet vs. no internet.

Yeah, the people that still need outside access have to know both possible 
IP addys.  More likely they just get a few hours off.  grin
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL  BGP


 We do this today with Mikrotik routers. Don't need the bgp part of it for
 just a backup service.

Pretty sure this 'wont' work without BGP if you want your clients
public IP's to be directly accessable.



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Re: [WISPA] Office Phones

2010-11-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We've used the Panasonic 4 line cordless phone system for years in my office.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Panasonic-KX-TG4000B-2-4GHz-4-Line-Phone-System-Base-/200543100182?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb14cdd16

Had some trouble with the handset number pads but found a place that does 
reasonable priced repairs and are happy with the results.

The only down side I have is that it maxes at 4 lines.

Has voice mail, caller id etc. etc. etc.  Not sure about transferring a call to 
a cell phone though.  You'd probably have to conference two people together for 
that.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Spott 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Office Phones


  Purchase PBXtra http://pbxtra.fonality.com/products/pbxtra/ (full support, 
excellent system, totally plug and chug)


  or use http://fonality.com/trixbox/ if you don't want to pay anything.


  ryan



  On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:

I had a direct Lightening hit to our office 2 weeks ago and My ATT phone 
system is now acting up and loses calls all the time.



I am planning to go to VOX and get away from my pots lines for the most 
part.  



I would like others recommendation for a in office phone system for 5 users 
only but I need a good voice mail and ability to have cordless phones.  I would 
also like the ability to do remote transfer to a cell or a offsite VoIP 
extension. 



Last part I truthfully do not have time to spend 40 hours learning 
Asterisk.  







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Re: [WISPA] 5 gig antennas

2010-11-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
LOL

Too true.

I've tried on brand and I don't think I like it.  I'm looking for something 
of higher quality but so far I'm not finding anything helpful.

A $150 antenna would be OK with me (vs. the $60 ot $70 I'm paying now) but 
$500 is too high.

sigh

marlon

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From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 gig antennas



 WOW!   I remember the days when everyone used to ask you these
 questions..



 On 11/15/2010 1:42 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 Hi All,

 I need a 5 gig omni.  8 or 9 dB.

 I've got one from Winncomm but I don't like it much.  The mount seems to
 place the raydome below the mounting bracket etc.

 What are folks using and where do you get them?

 Got a new 5 gig tower that's running about 12dB or so below calculated
 signal levels.

 thanks,
 marlon



 
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Re: [WISPA] 5 gig antennas

2010-11-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Boy, that's the only suggestion?  Pretty scary that there are so few out 
there.

That one only has an 8.5* vertical pattern.  Not very good for most 
locations.

That's why I really like to stay down around 8 dB.  They have 12ish dB of 
vertical.

I'll try this one and see how it does though.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 gig antennas


 Larsen RO5810NF 10dbi Omni with N-Female connector.

 On 11/15/2010 10:42 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 Hi All,

 I need a 5 gig omni.  8 or 9 dB.

 I've got one from Winncomm but I don't like it much.  The mount seems to
 place the raydome below the mounting bracket etc.

 What are folks using and where do you get them?

 Got a new 5 gig tower that's running about 12dB or so below calculated
 signal levels.

 thanks,
 marlon



 
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[WISPA] 5 gig antennas

2010-11-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All,

I need a 5 gig omni.  8 or 9 dB.

I've got one from Winncomm but I don't like it much.  The mount seems to 
place the raydome below the mounting bracket etc.

What are folks using and where do you get them?

Got a new 5 gig tower that's running about 12dB or so below calculated 
signal levels.

thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process

2010-11-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah, it's a pain no matter how you slice it.

We used Word, Access, Excell, QuickBooks and paper files for much of what you 
are talking about.

That's why we're implementing FreeSide.  It's going to help with some of the 
clutter.  But not all of it.

Takes about 45 minutes for us to add a new customer or take an old one out via 
the old system.  We're hoping to get that under 15 minutes with Freeside.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Nash 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 1:34 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process


  This is lengthy, but worth discussion, I think...

  I just had a long meeting with our general manager about Systems Management 
(monitoring, documenting, updating, etc)

  Let me explain...

  We ALL have systems to

  1. monitor our network
  2. document our systems (IP addresses, equipment type, etc)
  3. document our IP usage (subnets, routing, etc)

  We probably all have this information in different places.

  As our networks and number of devices grow these systems can get out-of-hand 
and OUT-OF SYNC with each other!

  Unless there is a good process in place to ensure that these systems get 
updated when components on our networks are added/removed/replaced/changed.

  For instance... A new customer is added to our network... Information about 
that new customer goes into:

  - billing (several things here...email address verified, pro-rate amount 
added for first month, valid billing address, name spelled correctly, correct 
price, contract signed  stored, etc)
  - nagios (to monitor)
  - IP documentation (so we don't duplicate IPs)
  - equipment documentation (so we know what we're dealing with if we have to 
go out there again)
  - name the association on the AP so it's easily identifiable

  Then if that customer cancels...

  - remove from billing
  - remove from Nagios (so we stop monitoring)
  - remove from IP documentation (so we can re-use that IP)
  - remove equipment documentation

  Or if that customer has to change towers on our network...

  - change monitored IP address
  - change IP documentation (so we can re-use the old IP)
  - change equipment documentation (if necessary)
  - name the association on the new AP so it's easily identifiable

  Now let's consider replacing a backhaul goes down...

  - change the routing to go to use a backup backhaul (we're using manual 
re-routing, not autmatic)
  - change the hierarchy in our monitoring system (we use Nagios Parents so 
that devices that are behind a Down device is not Down itself, just 
Unreachable - saves the inbox from getting blasted if a backhaul goes down
  - change the monitored IP address for the router at that site so we're 
monitoring an IP address that is going over the backup backhaul

  Then you get it back up and you have to change these things back.

  My point of all of this is that there are a TON of details to take care of, 
and if you try to grow fast you need systems and protocol in place to deal with 
all of this information.  Things get forgotten about, and your system can be a 
mess before you know it.

  We have used the method of using checklists for client changes (new customer, 
repair order, disconnect).  

  We're just now getting into cleaning up our systems  documentation on 
infrastructure components (routers  backhauls  APs - OH MY!!!).  We have alot 
of information about the initial deployment of infrastructure equipment, but as 
changes have happened, we have not kept up with it.

  So we're looking at expanding upon our checklists for when infrastructure 
components are deployed/changed/removed.  We think this will help the chaos.

  How about you?


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Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

2010-11-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
That's what we're doing now too.

Wouldn't be so bad if most of the work was less than 40 miles away I suppose :-)
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast


  Agreed.  Site surveys are a waste of time.  If you're there, just install the 
customer.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


  On 11/9/2010 12:15 PM, Jim Patient wrote: 
We stopped doing site surveys.  If they show they are covered on our 
Radio Mobile Google Earth overlays,  we schedule an install.  If they don't get 
a good signal then we don't charge them anything.  We had too many great 
signals with ok I'll talk to my wife and get back with you.

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Desk: 636-692-4200 
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On 11/5/2010 10:53 PM, Liam Cummings wrote: 
  Anyone know of a place where I can get some sort of telescoping mast that 
I can tow behind me in my truck or maybe just put on my tow hitch? Oh yeah and 
it needs to be cheap too.  I want to start using something like this for our 
site surveys because it would be much easier than getting out the telescoping 
pole we use and having someone hold it steady with a radio on it. I was 
thinking of just making one myself but even the telescoping pole itself is hard 
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Re: [WISPA] Inventory Management

2010-11-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We just have shelf space for the things we need.  In addition to the part 
number we have a minimum stock number on the label too.  When someone sees 
the level low we order more.

There are inventory management mechanisms for more complicated problems than 
that.  PeachTree did a nice job of inventory management back when I used it 
10 years ago.  I assume it's even better and easier to program now.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:30 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Inventory Management


 What if anything is everybody using for inventory management of your 
 various equipment products?

 We are beginning to carry more stock for items/projects but we need a 
 way to track and account for inventory.  Is anybody else dealing with 
 this?

 Kevin
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Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

2010-11-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I just use my 65' bucket truck!

I will one day build a trailer mounted crank up TV tower based system.  You can 
get them at 100'.  Often people will just give them away if we remove them.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert West 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 5:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast


  Ralph rules!  I have loved that setup since I first saw it  Yes, the 
nuclear torpedo  

   

  Cool!!!

   

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of rwf
  Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 5:05 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

   

  Like this?

   

  http://ralphfowler.com

   

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Liam Cummings
  Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

   

  Anyone know of a place where I can get some sort of telescoping mast that I 
can tow behind me in my truck or maybe just put on my tow hitch? Oh yeah and it 
needs to be cheap too.  I want to start using something like this for our site 
surveys because it would be much easier than getting out the telescoping pole 
we use and having someone hold it steady with a radio on it. I was thinking of 
just making one myself but even the telescoping pole itself is hard to find.



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Re: [WISPA] Can't get my 100MB

2010-10-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We've been able to test to 80+ mbps to the Seattle speakeasy site.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't get my 100MB


 Forbes,
 Besides the usual things to  look for, please keep in mind that most of
 the SpeedTest Servers out their are 'capped' and not really designed to
 test for 100meg x 100meg connections.
 The best way to test it is to use 'Bandwidth Tester' tool  (Mikrotik's
 have one built in), and there are others you can find / download on the
 net. (Jperf ?)

 Keep in mind, you need beefy systems to be able to generate, sustained
 amount of 100meg bandwidth, for testing.

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom

 On 10/25/2010 4:37 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
 I just took delivery on a 100MB Fiber connection from Charter, we're
 perplexed at the variable speed tests we are getting.  Charter's varies
 from 25 to 50MB down, speedtest.net goes to about 20-25MB down and 30
 up, speakeasy doesn't go above 20MB.  Charter says the cap is off on our
 100MB so it should be showing that.

 The anatomy of our network is fiber to our head-end, goes to a Charter
 switch then to our Cisco 2811, then to a gig netgear switch.  We're
 doing our speed tests on a standard browser (Firefox) in a Windows 2003
 box that has a 10/100 ethernet (about 8 feet) to the gig switch.  I'm
 debating if the 2811 is hefty enough to handle the 100MB, any ideas?

 Thanks,
 Forbes


 
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

2010-10-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We're using Courier Mail.  www.tallon.com handles the servers for us.

We've had very little trouble with it.

I'm thinking of tucows though.  Just not sure if I can justify the increase in 
costs vs. what my in-house costs are.
marlon

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  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


  We used to use Squirrel Mail and I though it was unprofessional.  The 
Everyone.Net web interface is very good.  It looks alot like Roundcube...
- Original Message - 
From: Martha Huizenga 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


I think Horde has definitely gotten better. I'll check out the others.

martha

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On 9/21/2010 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface is
hard to use.

Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had it
and Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote:
We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy to
use.

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On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote:

What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We
are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an
email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than
the older web clients we were used to.



On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
Google.

Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't
market to yours and our customers.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom


On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:


Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
stick with for a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
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Re: [WISPA] Weather Sensors

2010-10-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
wow, Oregon Scientific has got to have the WORST web site ever!

What a PITA to navigate or search.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bret Clark 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Sensors


  Reminds me of my favorite weather site where you can get real-time weather 
statistics from other users who have purchased online weather stations. 

  http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?

  On 09/21/2010 03:25 AM, Chuck Profito wrote: 
try Oregon Scientific Full Weather Station WMR80 / WMR80A 
 I think one of these has a Ethernet port 
  

  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Weather Sensors 

 

I am looking for inexpensive, network aware weather sensors...

Maybe temp, wind speed and wind direction to start.

Other data would be useful as well.

I want to put these on my towers and then aggregate the data on our webpage.

Ideas?

This is a small project and it can't go much over $100-200 per location.

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Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

2010-10-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
When the weather goes bad we don't do outside work.  Some times of the year 
that gets to be a real issue.

But what I've found is that if we install gear when we can't see we too often 
end up with something (trees etc.) in the way.

The other thing I've done is lay a stick or something like that out 50ish yards 
from the tower in the direction that the antenna needs to go.  Then when I get 
back to the site I can at least get things close on installation day.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:16 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment


  Question:  What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp 
without having a visual on the other side?

  Details:

  When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times.

  The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end.

  We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile.

  Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge.  Azimuth is a different 
story.  If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what 
if you can't?

  We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we 
have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year.



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Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request

2010-10-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
we just finished that a few months ago.  It took forever and a day but 
wasn't really all that hard to do.  The ARIN folks were very helpful when I 
got stuck.

I guess I should probably go after some ipv6 space too.  Just so I have it 
available for someday if nothing else.

I don't know of many consumer devices that can use it yet.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request


 Hi,

 Can someone comment on their experience with requesting IPv4 address
 space from ARIN?  Particularly, what is an acceptable practice for a
 WISP to justify need?  There are specific provisions for cable
 operators so that they can request enough space for every household they
 are able to serve.  I'm talking myself in circles when it comes to what
 the basis for our need should look like.  Also, the ARIN policy refers
 to efficient utilization often, but doesn't seem to define what that
 is.  Is there a simple threshold like 80% allocated 50% utilized that is
 used for screening requests, or do they just say yes to everyone who
 looks like they have their documentation together?

 My ulterior motive is to take advantage of the IPv6 fee waiver for
 initial allocations so that we can begin our IPv6 deployment.

 Thanks,

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