Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas
KPP if for nothing else it comes with better jumpers. KPP has N connectors on antenna and jumper to match up to RP-SMA on Rocket. YMMV -Matt From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas Same radios but I had the opposite experience. I had one at -35, maybe the RF armor requires both of those dumb machine screws to work. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Greg Osborn gregwosb...@gmail.com mailto:gregwosb...@gmail.com wrote: UBNT to KPP straight up, kpp. UBNT with armor vs KPP, we prefer UBNT because of the extra horizontal separation required with KPP. On a grainleg platform, we've seen kpp sectors see one another at -30 or below, where UBNT see one another in the -50's. On a tower without standoffs and KPP, forget it, you will have problems. 2.4 in 10mhz cw. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas one obvious advantage with the KPP is that the connectors or all covered by the shielding, so you eliminate any potential issues with water in the connectors, and you can throw away that annoying cover on the Rocket over the ethernet port. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Sam [w...@csilogan.com mailto:w...@csilogan.com ] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas Mathew, these are for 2. GHz Rockets. I was wondering about the shielding as well. Unless you're in an area with a ton of interference... But as was mentioned, the KP omni with the shielding is the same price basically as the same UBNT model without it. I'm all about using stuff that's included at no additional charge :) On 8/28/2014 10:00, Mathew Howard wrote: I haven't used any KPP omnis, but I have used several different brands of dual polarity omnis and I haven't really seen any notable difference in performance between any of them. Are you looking at 2.4ghz or 5ghz? Is there really a lot of benefit to shielding the radio with an omni? it seems somewhat pointless to me... From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Sam [w...@csilogan.com mailto:w...@csilogan.com ] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas That's a great point. Thank you Andy. How about differences in performance between the two? Big difference? Negligible? Thanks Sam On 8/28/2014 09:18, Andy Trimmell wrote: I think the big plus with the KP antennas is they come with a cover for the rocket. You'll have to buy a RF Elements cover if you're using stock Rockets with stock UBNT antennas. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Sam Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas I am hoping to find someone who has used both UBNT and KP Performance antennas (with Rockets) who would be willing to share their experiences of one vs the other. For this project I'm specifically looking at 13 dBi omni antennas, but am curious about how the sector antennas compare as well. Thanks Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?
Thanks Faisal. Your link was especially helpful. I had been going by the AirMax DSCP/TOS mapping chart from 2012 and it seems the TOS I had set for voice is now considered Background. -Matt From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully? We are. There are number of things to check for Not knowing much about your network setup Making assumption that your BH and AP's are not over loaded. Making assumption that your MT's are not over loaded Making assumption that your Queue mech. are not an issue... Making assumption that there is no packet loss on the network path from customer to the VOIP Provider's (SIP RTP proxy) Basic fundamentals are as follows:- (think of peeling an onion, starting from the core going outwards). SIP Voice is two types of packets... SIP Signaling and RTP (Real time Packets / Voice or video) Most providers will mark their outbound SIP RTP with appropriate DSCP (qos) markings (feel free to google for info). Most ATA's will mark outbound SIP RPT with appropriate DSCP (802.1p qos) markings. Most Wireless Radio Mfg, when they support QOS, they will respect these markings, and handle traffic appropriately, (unless they run into other issues,, e.g. high pps rates etc). http://wiki.ubnt.com/AirMax_-_QoS_DSCP/TOS_Mappings FYI, with UBNT qos handling varied with Firmware Version...e.g. BOLD - special mapping cases starting from v5.5.4 Before v5.5.4 DSCP 46 go to WME Video, DSCP 26 go to WME Best Effort. -- Double Check the ATA's QOS Packet Marking...to make sure that Default DSCP Marking is what you are expecting... --- The other thing you need to check on is Jitter buffer settings. you may want to enable it and set it for for something like 100 to 150, to see if it improves stuff. - FYI, the biggest problem with VOIP and Fixed Wireless, is Packet Loss, and Jitter (this is more troublesome .. some packets arrive on time, other are delayed, and some are out of order) == Feel free to ping me off list if you need more info. or have questions. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net _ From: Matt Brendle mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com mailto:mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:56:33 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully? So a question for the masses. We are selling VoIP services and the number of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect. Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers, and CISCO/Linksys ATAs. Primarily Vitelity accounts. We get complaints of choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using successfully. I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out where the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups that would be great. I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get our Support Calls down. Matt – NC Wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?
So a question for the masses. We are selling VoIP services and the number of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect. Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers, and CISCO/Linksys ATAs. Primarily Vitelity accounts. We get complaints of choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using successfully. I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out where the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups that would be great. I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get our Support Calls down. Matt - NC Wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?
Nope. Public IP on the CPE. CPE is set to router mode and then we are doing DMZ to the ATA. Customer router sits behind ATA so local QOS is being handled by the ATA. I am doing traffic shaping in the CPE, but with VoIP customers we disable bursting. Other than that I don't do any prioritizing. -Matt From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:00 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully? Is the VOIP traffic encapsulated in any way, such as EoIP, PPPoE, etc? If so, AirMax will not be able to prioritize it correctly, assuming the correct DSCP value is assigned to the traffic to begin with. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 07/31/2014 11:56 AM, Matt Brendle wrote: So a question for the masses. We are selling VoIP services and the number of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect. Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers, and CISCO/Linksys ATAs. Primarily Vitelity accounts. We get complaints of choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using successfully. I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out where the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups that would be great. I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get our Support Calls down. Matt - NC Wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?
Larry, Thanks for the feedback. I have a mix of ATAs deployed, but I am going to make sure they all have the right DSCP flags set for Airmax to prioritize. I will also take your advice on sniffing and include in my testing. That way I can make sure the flag isn't getting stripped off somewhere on my network. Anybody else with suggestions/info? I welcome all input no matter how minor or critical it may seem. -Matt -Original Message- From: l...@mwtcorp.net [mailto:l...@mwtcorp.net] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:59 PM To: WISPA General List; Matt Brendle Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully? On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:56:33 -0400 Matt Brendle mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: So a question for the masses. We are selling VoIP services and the number of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect. Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers, and CISCO/Linksys ATAs. Primarily Vitelity accounts. We get complaints of choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using successfully. I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out where the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups that would be great. We've been doing VOIP across dsl, dedicated and wireless circuits for years. It's a fairly simple engineering task that is very detail oriented. Jitter is the killer. I have and am using Cisco, Force 10, Mikrotik, UBNT, Radwin and MRV equipment. They all work but you have to look for any possible spot where there can be congestion and plan a way through. Mikrotik's are particularity difficult because they don't re-order packets. You make room by throwing something else away. Like everything Mikrotik it takes some middle to both edges thinking. Regularly sniff your voice traffic and be sure that the dscp/tos codes are there. Some switches/ providers will remove them. You can build an entire network with a pristine voice channel in it to find your voip running best effort. I have had that happen more than once. Also remember adding bandwidth on one link can create two or more new congestion points someplace else. details, details, details but once you get it right it's something to behold. I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get our Support Calls down. Matt - NC Wireless Larry Ash Network Administrator Mountain West Telephone 123 W 1st St. Casper, WY 82601 Office 307 233-8387 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?
Correct. I am not planning on assuming anything. We have assumed the network from our NOC to the SIP servers was good in the past. That is going to be step 1 in my process. I will verify good quality from there and work my way back to the CPE. -Matt From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully? On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Matt Brendle mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com mailto:mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: So a question for the masses. We are selling VoIP services and the number of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect. Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers, and CISCO/Linksys ATAs. Primarily Vitelity accounts. We get complaints of choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using successfully. I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out where the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups that would be great. I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get our Support Calls down. Besides the air side of the question, how is the network side ? How good is the connection from your network to the Vitelity SIP and media servers ? Although I would guess your issue is on the air side, good diagnosing starts by not assuming anything... Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] OID
So, does anybody know OID for PPS in UBNT and Mikrotik? I have walked them but can’t figure out what would be PPS. Matt Brendle ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Surge Protection for UBNT Gear
We had one site where shielded and UBNT poe didn't work. Lost 3 CPE in a month. We tried a 444SS-SMT and haven't had problems since. http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=59 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Surge Protection for UBNT Gear Shielded cable and stock poe? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 14, 2013 9:01 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com mailto:w...@csilogan.com wrote: What have you found to be the best surge protection for UBNT gear? I see where a couple of guys on one of the UBNT lists suggest a Magic-Bullet (http://magicsurge.com/catalog/) but I thought I'd ask what the people using this every day recommend. Thanks Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Surge Protection for UBNT Gear
Yep, I have used for both. There is also another model we are trying out at tower sites that slides into a APC surge. 444-APC From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Surge Protection for UBNT Gear There's no difference between APs and CPE. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Sam w...@csilogan.com mailto:w...@csilogan.com To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:29:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Surge Protection for UBNT Gear One last question - the Wireless Beehive web page states these suppressors are for CPE. Have you found they work well on the tower for the Rockets as well? Thanks Sam On 11/14/2013 08:10, Josh Luthman wrote: In that case I'd also go with WB. Look at Matt's suggestion. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 I thought the same thing Josh. But our tower guys insist on additional surge protection. For example, they said: We have a surge protector that we install on the Cambium (Orthogon) PTP radio product when the radios are mounted up the tower, but it is proprietary to Cambium since they have their own scheme for powering the radios over the Ethernet cable where standard Ethernet surge protectors will not work. If the radio vendor is not following industry standard POE pinouts and voltage levels for the cable running up the tower, finding a suitable surge protector may be difficult unless they are like Cambium and OEM their own flavor of Surge Protector. So I was hoping to find something similar for the UBNT products... Sam On 11/14/2013 08:04, Josh Luthman wrote: Shielded cable and stock poe? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 14, 2013 9:01 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com mailto:w...@csilogan.com%0b mailto:w...@csilogan.com mailto:w...@csilogan.com mailto:w...@csilogan.com%20%3cmailto:w...@csilogan.com mailto:w...@csilogan.com wrote: What have you found to be the best surge protection for UBNT gear? I see where a couple of guys on one of the UBNT lists suggest a Magic-Bullet (http://magicsurge.com/catalog/) but I thought I'd ask what the people using this every day recommend. Thanks Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz AP interfering with 2-way radio
I would try powering off the NBM2 and let them do a quick test. First thought would be they have something wrong with their handheld, like bad mic, poor reception with rubber duck, etc. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz AP interfering with 2-way radio It might also be the Ethernet run causing interference. On Thursday, October 31, 2013, Chris Fabien wrote: We have a tower site where we agreed to allow a friend of the tower owner to install a 2-way radio repeater. I believe it is using a frequency around 450 mhz. We installed their omni antenna on a 3ft stand off close to a UBNT Nanobridge M2 radio which is pointing directly away from the omni - omni is about 4ft behind the dish. They are complaining about loud noise/interference when using the repeater from a handheld. From a mobile(vehicle) radio it works fine. What's the solution to fix this? Move the antennas further apart? Their radio supplier is suggesting that their omni should be installed at top of tower above all our equipment. We were reserving the use of the top mast mount for future needs, and don't want to do this. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti - quick question
I just did a setup similar to this a couple days ago for a temp setup for PGA tournament. Even though I knew better, I forgot to turn off AirMax on all AP-Repeaters and almost pulled my hair until I remembered it. Matt Brendle - NCW -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti - quick question With just the rocket on it isn't acting as an AP? You've got something misconfigured then. Can you attach a screenshot of your MAIN Rocket tab as well as the WIRELESS tab? On 10/11/12 10:02 AM, Eric Tykwinski wrote: Not my choice on setup but his... I'm thinking he's only going to have about 3 Pico's and the Rocket. Basically, I can connect to a PicoStation from my laptop. With just the Rocket on, it isn't acting as an AP. The PicoStation's can connect to the Rocket without any issues. So imho that tends to point to the Rocket. I've tried both 5.5 and 5.5.2 firmware without any luck. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti - quick question ? What makes you think the Rocket is acting as a station? First, can you define a few? The suggestion of what you want to do is almost certainly a bad idea and will result in poor performance unless you are only planning to feed the main AP with a meg or two. None-the-less. If you insist on forging ahead with this what you need to do is set the Rocket to AP-Repeater as you have done, and then input the MAC addresses of the PicoStations. You will then need to set the PicoStations as repeaters and put in the MAC address of the Rocket. On 10/11/12 9:46 AM, Eric Tykwinski wrote: My boss just picked up a Rocket M2 and a few PicoStation 2s for a free WiFi access point situation. Basically, it's going to be a star grid running WDS from the Rocket to each Pico with AP access at each location. My problem is the Rocket doesn't seem to want to do AP-Repeater for some reason, and is only acting as a Station. Any advice or has anyone run into this before. Thanks, Eric ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
